420 Roll Tack

[XxhappycatxXx]

if you count when do you roll?

[rronmar]

A 420? Well new from laser performance, I think they are around $9K. Some of the 420. org websites have adds for used ones down in the $2K-4K range or less depending on condition. I just bought one with everything but a spinaker and no trailer for $300. It needs work of course, loose rivets on rig, cracked gelcoat and nicks/gouges on hull and fins, but basically sound fiberglass. Club boats get rode pretty hard before they sell

them, but if you can work on fiberglass(pretty easy) not too m

[docBOSS1444]

Does anybody know about how much it is to buy one of theese new or used, thanks

[MrHobiecat]

I guess you have to find other ways to amuse yourself when your boat is so SLOW!

Get a cat, its the 21st century already! Monoslugs are for retired people.

[epidemicepic]

@MrHobiecat Cats are fast, but thats all they are good for is going fast on a reach. Dinghy's are funner (not necessarily 420's) if you actually want to do some technical sailing, like say... roll tacking. 

[MrHobiecat]

@epidemicepic cats are faster than monohulls on EVERY point of sail, except maybe in 3 kt winds doing DDW. A hobie 16 will do 20 kts all day long in an 18 kt wind.

You cant beat the laws of physics, cat hulls are like knives in the water, they HAVE NO bow wave speed like your monohull does.

There is nothing I love more than creeping up on the stearn of a 60 foot mono hull / lead mine going 9 kts, then coming along side, wishing them a nice day, then sheeting in and blasting at at 20 kts :^)

[042shay]

amazing! loved this video cant stop watching it :)

[AdeusR]

420 is so gay, you have to be too skinny

[x0luv0x]

@AdeusR maybe you're just too fat...

wait sorry I didn't mean for that to sound offensive....

[AdeusR]

@x0luv0x or maybe i`m too strong :)

[thief0480]

thats not a perfect roll tack i even make a better one than you guys and im only 13 yrs old. and yes true your jib is collapsing.

[HuErigerable]

@thief0480 Video proof

[ace0pilot]

No where near perfect, jib was backed far to long and the helm left out the mainsheet after the tack

[rpadilla99ish]

why's it slow motion? :(

[TheH1n1h1n1]

I give that roll tack a 7/10

[beastyplayer12]

yeah, it'd be cleaner if they moved together.

[DrummerInTheCity1091]

Skipper did not pump at the correct time, crew overcompensated for the roll and gave the boat windward heel.

[mailman4692674]

Bid daddy roll tack is wat i see

[darkrange97]

you guys are about as agile as my grandma

[iphones4ever]

the point of roll tacking is to use the rudor as less as possible because it acts as a break, and so you dont loose spead, oviously in this video they ovver roller their heel and the skipper used the rudor

[kingson75]

honestly, theres no such thing as a perfect tack, but this was good. Skipper needed to keep the main in a bit more on the first tack, but otherwise very good.

[phdharok]

... all i can say, not perfect like described. also the bottom of the jib was out too far at the end and the bottom was flapping

[dotdash13]

They need to come up together, but other than that not bad.

[FLzwartepiet]

way not perfect, but nice teamwork

[jeffalwayssnowboards]

perfect

[Deltari09]

Too much roll D:

But it looked good XD

[wezdog1]

420's can be rolled shitloads that was left for a little too long though

[durrusman]

Not a perfect tack. I'm still only in secondry school and I could do better.

[superzkid]

wayyyyy too much roooooolllll

[gnarish]

roll less flatten harded

[waldringfield9631]

Im going to be harsh and tell you why this is not the perfect roll tack:

1) Too much roll, when you see the crew switch sides, the boat goes sideways about 1 boat length. At the same time, the rubber stalls out and acts as a break.

2) In the first tack, the jib isnt pull on properly which makes it flap early and lose speed.

3) After the tack, there is a lot of movement around the boat which could disrupt airflow over the sails and make things far more unstable.

I have to stop now as no cha

[tingly7654321]

i bet none of you guys can do a barrel roll

[AnnigjeP]

Wow! I wish I am such an good roll taccer in my splash, nice ones!

[FSpilotSWE]

well preformed!

[CaptPooty2]

oh yeah in college sailing you can some out faster then you started, outside of college not allowed.

[CaptPooty2]

These guys are sailing at 320lbs, having them in unison isn't exactly ideal. Keeping the bow down after the tack makes having the jib back winded longer them most would think good. When you flatten hard at a close reach and slowly round up to close-hauled you come out flying. pulling the board up ehhh i see the point but i just don't think you guys can roll hard enough and need the extra help.

[mreumi]

i dont think they where very fast after the tack. but you cant see because of slowmo.

but they had way 2 much roll.

[majorsailor14288]

this is definitely one of the sickest roll tacks ever!!

all you haters can go sail a 420 COMPETITIVELY and come back and tell us how to successfully roll a 420

[uccredsox13]

wayy too much roll. skipper should flatten first, and the board was never pulled up.

[HPfreek1312]

awesome roll tack

hey 4 is my boat number! YAY :D

[nurakosweeden]

its not percect because the skipper is suppossed to switch sides first, then the crew switches

[nickaswad]

yes larkor, you are mistaken

[Larkor8]

I could be mistaken but I think Leaning to leeward first is illegal...

[oztayls]

Too much roll and the crew's body is in the water putting the brakes on! Also, the crew must pull up the centreboard when rolling the boat to windward or the centreboard will just slow the boat even more. The board goes back down again just before pulling the boat level so that the action of the board creates lift to windward. Not many crews do this right as it takes hours of practice and they are wasting time and speed by not doing it properly. Better to get the basics right first :)

[xsallysoursocksx]

From my experience on 420's, the centre boards are rather hard to pull up quickly, and if in the case that there's too much heel and they boat capsizes, wouldn't the raising of the centre board, for lack of better wording, screw you over?

I understand the purpose of doing so, but it's seems like too much effort on an older boat.

[lolking4]

lol!!!

clic at 0:30 repetitivly

[smithyswim]

lol

!!!!!!!

[23rakshasa23]

lolloololololollololololololol­ololol

[FromHeaven2YoU]

Actually its not perfect.... Just a tip ( i was on a seminar and learned XP) Just before you turn the helmsman step a little in the boat and the boat will not be flat in the water. that will cause it to turn up against wind and then you should only turn the helm a little so you dont lose speed when doing the tack. but it was done good this way anyway! 5*

[worm777]

This isn't perfect. There are no naked women.

[FromHeaven2YoU]

:P :D

[avometer1947]

and u need to lean in to windward to help turn the boat then on to lured

[baaart92]

no you don´t  ;)

[baaart92]

look to the movie Harken club 420 intro

[PiorunofLV]

Not perfect, not synched

[pcp777]

Nice-brings back memories form Tabor Academy....

[msiggz]

you went to tabor? what year did you graduate? i graduated in 06 from tabor

[pcp777]

LOL, I would have graduated in 83 but we moved to Texas in my junior year. I went there the first year it went co-ed.

[Turkeysitar]

Lincoln-Sudbury FTW

[Turkeysitar]

Lincoln-Sudbury FTW

[RubinHood007]

fantastic video you are my mito(in italian like an hero)

[m0nsooon]

the main needs to be pumped sooner after coming out of the tack. and don't heel too much to windward at the beginning (sinking your body in the water is slow.

[Adrenaline552]

you don't want to sink the gunnels

[bbeachball]

It's "gunwales", not "gunnels"...

[kingcr3b]

but its pronounced gunnels. but its spelled gunwales. lol i surprised that guy can't spell.

[larrya444]

Yeah, that almost looks like me -- except I'm 6-foot-4 and 310 pounds. I swear we can do 40 mph with me draped off the high side. My wife just sits with her ass in the water drinking rum. It's perfect sailing. Wish I was this good, though.

[CosmasGrelon]

awsome tack

[voodoochile9547]

thats sick i've been doing it the opposite way. woops :)

[wh00temilywh00t]

well the skipper and crew werent going at the same time and they should always be in time with each other.

[michaelstillidie]

heels to windward a bit

[Antonz4]

eermmm... yeah thats what a roll taak is - lol???

You move across late and lean the boat windward as a result....

[michaelstillidie]

its actually slow to heel it too far to windward :P fool

[Antonz4]

Ermm... Well I know a guy who leans it about 50-60 degrees and he has the trophies in his cabinet to prove it. I also know a guy who is in the RYA Scottish squad who I got the oppurtunity to sail with, he told me to roll and I did what was in the video and he told me to do a lot more basically :P fool

[michaelstillidie]

tacks dont win championships sorry lets stop fighting, we both sail so that rules :D :P

[Antonz4]

right right wtvr

[XxnegociatorxX]

I'm glad to see people getting along on the comments of video instead of getting totally out of hand like in the game console war videos

[jazzlover06]

that's far from perfect. Goes too low - helm in water = huge drag. crew and helm should switch tank in unison. You can see it is not perfect by the fact they leave the tack slower than entered. When done really well, will leave faster.

[mogget03]

Uh, no, it's against the rules to leave a tack faster than you entered it.

[jazzlover06]

I know, but there's no law against leaving as quickly as entered. ALso, sailing for 10 years, an umpire has never commented on anyone leaving faster than entered. It is so rarely used.

[Iamnotaemo]

acttually your both wrong you are alound to leave the tack faster than you started look it up on ISAF

[jazzlover06]

good point! All the rules I know (all of them) are the ones specific to team racing as that is all I do. You are right, in fleet it is legal, but they are most strict about illegal propulsion in fleet.

[Iamnotaemo]

no thats perfect

[goobem]

eh?

[Iamnotaemo]

i mean the jib being backed for that long

[goobem]

on the first tack it looked a little long but the second is beautiful

[Iamnotaemo]

agreed

[Brevan23]

I think the jib was fine because in that light stuff you should rather bring the bow round with the jib than use more rudder.

[Whoopa12]

Jibs held too long!

[darryl2228]

Thats Eckerd College's Sailing team in that video.

[kingson75]

very nice roll tacking

hiking is sooooooooooooo much fun (hiking: when you lean over the side of the boat to balance it out)!!!!!!!!

[ijumpoffstuff6]

Ohhh yeah. I sailin in the great south bay, long island and i remember we went on a reach across the whole bay and it was just hiking the whole way its what I live for.

[mikey18210]

I disagree with backing the jib so long

[carsonmarston]

I agree it looks a little long. It helps to roll the boat in lighter winds.

[Xander5988]

I DISAGREE WITH YOU MIKEY!

[SydMclean]

@mikey18210 the jib backing helps the boat through the tack though

[XxTutorialMonsterxX]

@mikey18210 just that half a second too long :-)

[xleafr]

@mikey18210 As crew it's kind of hard to switch the jib while you're trying to roll, pretty much every crew switches the jib and switches sides simultaneously. In order to switch the jib sooner, they wouldn't have been able to roll that hard. Slow motion also tends to make things look slower.

[x0luv0x]

@mikey18210 I disagree with that. I think that given the conditions, the backwinding was the perfect amount.

[jhonnyray1]

i sail 420s to

[meowmeow122]

that was amazing, especially because it was a 420.

and to the kid below me, do you want a freaking prize or something? i know how to roll tack too, and some of the kids in my sailing class don't know how to or are learning. what's the big deal?

[Titliest07]

the sailing class i go to are all dumb asses so we cant do those but i know how to

[ijumpoffstuff6]

That's why it's a sailing class. They are there to learn, not be showed up by Mr. zomg i can rolltack and you can't rofl dumb asses.

[evmair]

nice rolling guys!! i sail 420's too

[runescapedude9]

awesome

[extremesailor]

omg rol tacking is so hard i sail a 420 too

[rstarfan]

lol, i had no idea there was a name for this. i suppose i never learned regular tacking. i've been rolling all my life.

[emonubsaucroflcopter]

I sail 420's too. SOOO hard to do that good of a roll-tack.

[timmybobjoe1]

damn, i sail 420s and i can never do that good of a roll tack

[zacky321]

umm well im sailing 420's and if anything could give me poitnters on roll-tacking plz do

[mochachip509]

What is the UT sailing website?