Ki Power Demonstration - Morehei Ueshiba - 2 of 5

[428DHL]

We are human beings and we are all connected. The founder of Aikido in his younger day have learned many different arts and he was excellent in all of them. Many masters came and challenged him, he tried to avoid fighting, but when he had to fight, he defeated all of them, some became his students. He was a spiritual man and did not want to hurt anyone. If people enjoy beating other fighters with blood coming out without remorse, they should ask themselves: Are they better than animals?

[428DHL]

It is sad that the new generation of fighters (MMA) do not have any respect for people or other arts. Maybe their teachers did not teach them that. Most masters who got it, do not need to prove to anyone. But Bruce Lee was the one who proved that he can use Chi/Ki to knock big guys off their feet. Ed Parker, the father of American Karate, at first was skeptical but when Bruce Lee demonstrated his 1-inch punch on him, he later confirmed that it was real. He said that he was flying backward.

[428DHL]

New generation of martial artists have no respect for people or other arts. Perhaps, their teachers did not teach them that. Some people posted and said they did not mean to disrespect Aikido, but they actually do by saying their Arts are better. It depends on each person. MMA are a mixture of different arts and most of them are rooted in China, Japan, Korea, and Thailand. O Sensei Ueshiba learned many arts when he was young including, judo and Jitsu, similar to the modern Jujitsu.

[RAS0850]

I'm going to test my masters, at my own risk. Always will.

[socksumi]

In his final years this guy believed in and demonstrated "chi" projection--submitting opponents without even touching them. Demo videos exist showing him launching and throwing around his students using his "chi".

It's always amazing what these guys can do in demos.

[Metalbob011]

MMA will fail in combat. Aikido and many other arts are designed for military or war. This is what people forget between sport and warrior arts. In the battle field or streets you don't wear gloves and anything can be used if nessary to surive. In a ring you have to know the rules and it would not be the place for some arts. Watch the "UFC fighters experience Marine Corps Martial Arts"

[socksumi]

@Metalbob011 I disagree. Aikido masters have never demonstrated aikido's superior effectiveness over a truly great MMA fighter. My prediction is exactly the opposite. The best MMA fighters would pulverize any top rank pure form aikido practitioner you can name---probably in seconds. I challenge any aikidoka to prove otherwise (yes I know they don't compete--how convenient for them).

My intention is not to disrespect the art. Only that it's effectiveness is greatly exaggerated.

[Tibokio]

@socksumi But what is "pure form"? I heard a story about a boxer challenging an Aikido sensei. They both signed a contract in case one woud get hurt. The boxer then charged to the Aikidoka and the Aikidoka exploited the boxer's weakness, his legs. Just at the moment the boxer would hit him, he duck and the muscled man stumbled over the Aikidoka, breaking his both legs, with his own momentum.

I'm not saying Aikido would beat MMA, I'm saying a real master can adjust to the situation with Aikido.

[socksumi]

@Tibokio Please cast skepticism on what you hear. If something rare like this happened, surely it would have been recorded. I've never seen any combative matches by any high level Aikidoka---all I see are demos and all I here are claims.

I too heard claims--like one that Rickson Gracie submitted a high level aikido practitioner very quickly during a demonstration in Japan, but again---it's a story with sketchy details and no video evidence.

[Tibokio]

@socksumi You are right, a story is a story and I never said I really do believe the story I just told. Anyhow, I just want to say that MMA is not necessarily better than Aikido. It all depends on the person, if you understand what I mean. Sure, a lot of Sensei would be beaten by an MMA fighter, but I can think of at least 1 in Belgium who would stand a chance. Aziz Belhassane is his name. :-)

[kumastomps]

@Metalbob011 You obviously have not trained for a long time nor do you know a lot about Aikido. MMA is a sport and that's it. Please, take me to the ground so i can gouge your eyes, bite and do what is illegal in a sport. Just because you see videos of Aikido artists doing kata, does not mean they are not good strikers, grapplers or combat technicians. What is demonstrated in these videos is an art and is Kata. What you need to do, is go train somewhere for 10 years and then reflect.

[Metalbob011]

@kumastomps If I read correctly then I am not disagreeing. If you have trained correctly then you wouldn't be challenging people over such issues. You should learn to read more carefully because that is what I am stateing about Aikido. 

[kumastomps]

@Metalbob011 I responded to the wrong thread.  I mean to respond to socksumi.

[Axl18289]

AWESOME VIDEO!

Thanks for posting and sharing. Where do you find such epic stuff? ^^

[drkarnov]

The whole qi, chi or whatever name you want to use is a stupid nonsense.

Interesting document.

[jlcl1972]

el mejor de l0os maestro y un gran creador de uno de los mejores estolos mis repetos para todos los practicantes.

[viajeswow]

This movie is truly impressive, teachers who have shared throughout the years aikido, learn from the great master Ueshiba Sensei. Thanks for sharing with us this video.

[bender12879]

Oops, I've never posted on Youtube before...looks like i screwed up. My 3 posts were in reply to RonnySayfan. They should be read in reverse order. From the way you write RonnySayfan, you seem quite intelligent. I hope what I have written at the very least will make you see this video in a slightly different light. I'm not trying to change your views, just wanting you see not all Aikido training has a martial aspect :)

Remember, you dont have to agree with someone to see their point of view

[RonnySayfan]

I appreciate your comment bender.

You obviously are able to differentiate drills intended for concept exploration from applicable techniques.

Many commentators here, however, do not.

May I ask your opinion as to Ueshiba's abilities?

[bender12879]

Mmmm...thats a good question. I havent really given much thought to it to be honest. I have no doubts he was a brilliant martial artist. However, I do believe that some of the stories regarding O'sensei have become warped over time. I have read stories which make him sound as though he had magical powers. As if he had discovered enlightenment beyond what any man has ever achieved or ever will achieve. As izanaminogami stated though, his own descendents have rejected this claim.

[CT2507]

@bender12879 what do u mean discovered enlightenment? it makes no sense. sounds like a simple misunderstanding.

and what is magic if not the ability to amass a certain kind of substance in your body. the healers and priests of old were just people who had trained to be able to produce a certain substance in their body. call it a kind of magnetism if u like.

if that's magical, then everything is.

[bender12879]

@CT2507 Sorry...just somantics. I know enlightenment is a term used more for buddhists and hindus, i was simply using it as a way to describe another level of spiritual understanding. I wasn't trying to claim O'sensei didnt have this...I was just saying that if he can do it, so can others. If it is achievable by one man, than it is achievable by all men (with the right training). I just meant that some of the books portray him as a god, rather than just a brilliant, gifted man.

[CT2507]

@bender12879 ok, i get your meaning now. yes, books do sometimes exaggerate. and i definitely believe that any man can reach enlightenment. i believe it to be a birthright. the natural inner state.

cheers.. :))

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@bender12879 I would agree on your post here. Enlightenment comes in degrees and yes, any of those drgrees are attainable by anyone. I would state Osensei did his 'homework' , he didn't just have an intellectual concept of it. If one wants to know what he could do, talk to those who were actually around him, Roy Suenaka, Koichi Tohei, etc.

[bender12879]

Oh...and I like your definition of magic. I certainly agree with you. I have felt the magnetism that you talk of first hand. When I said magic, I was talking more of the make believe magic we see in movies :)

[CT2507]

@bender12879 yup, i get it now.

[bender12879]

I think O'sensei himself would not make these claims. I read somewhere that O'sensei said he had only just begun to explore Aikido; that after his death it should be explored further; that it should evolve but continue to instill the same concepts. I believe this has happened. Aikido has only really existed post-WW2, yet in that time, so many different styles have emerged. I think his true legacy was introducing new concepts and directions for people to consider, not that he was some kind of god

[izanaminogami]

Greetings. Ki, as Ueshiba grasped it, was not a spiritual power. To him it was purely pshycho-physical stuff (=intention makes your body work in a specific way) combined with precise weight usage in more then one verctor (which the human body can resist only with difficulties) If he talked fancy abt spirituality its because he was a religious guy, (a follower of a syncretic sect Omoto). His son and direct students themselves reject he was in any way using any supernatural power.

[dnt82]

wonderful ki !!

[TheWaggaBloke]

Come on People! all Fighting arts are that! ARTS that have been trainned in and handed down over the period of time as we all know. But the main thing is that we all started to learn an art of some kind for what ever reason!... But remember we are all Brothers & Sister in the arts & most inportant we are of the Human Race.... yes! we all have diffrent skill levels but the main thing is that we all should keep an open mind to teaching & learning for we much keep trainning so our arts stay a live.

[ArjunaVision]

It is not about power and strength.

It is about love and all that binds us.

We are the same and what moves you, will move me as well.

Morihei Ueshiba shows us that love and harmony are all we need...

I hope this idea will grow...

Regards Arjuna...

[RonnySayfan]

8:32 - 6 younger men grab ueshiba. 4 seconds later, they all fall down.

Do anyone here honestly believe they tried as hard as they possibly could to resist him?

To me it looks like a severe case of masterities.

[Goldvellius]

if you control your center perfectly you can do. You don't need power and muscles. I'm sure that you can easily take up a chair if you grab it in correct position, but if you grab another part of the same chair it becomes heavy to move up.

[RonnySayfan]

A chair is not 6 younger, RESISTING guys.

They ALLOWED him to demonstrate his "perfect control".

wake up. or dream on, whatever.

[bender12879]

Sometimes its actually easier when you have more people pushing against you. They tend to get in each others way. Although they probably are trying to push against O'Sensei, the collective force would not be as great as you would expect for 6 grown men in their youth.

[bender12879]

I have experienced similar things first hand. I am certainly no master of the art, however, I did find it extremely difficult to give a strong committed entry. Once one person begins to fall, everybody tends to. It feels like a chain reaction. It is also hard to push or resist against an opponent who is completely relaxed. Its like trying to win a tug of war contest by pushing the rope...it just isn't gonna happen.

[bender12879]

I'm not claiming this video is by your definition "real". Obviously no one here can claim that unless they were in the video themselves. But I will say that its probably not real in terms of self defence. Its probably not something that would work in a fight. However, it may be real in terms of a body/mind training exercise. In such situations, uke may be asked to enter or attack in a certain way to allow concepts to be explored. Not all Aikido has a self defence basis...

[richardshapiroII]

I spoke with an american who worked directly with o'sensei. He's a super hard core fighting guy, very sceptical and pragmatic. This guy would not put up with the "masterlies". He said that o'sensei was just phenomenal as a martial artist, with near magical abilities. The real deal. So, yeah, I think they are trying to resist him. This guy really found something wonderful, something the human race could really learn from. Something we don't understand yet...

[RonnySayfan]

Then it is obvious to me that you don't have a real fighting expirience - my point being that even a phenomenal martial artist cannot overcome six resisting oppenents.

ESPECIALY in a grappling situation.

Overcoming one opponent who is bigger and stronger is near-magical in itself.

Believing this vid is completele real is wishfull thinking I'm sorry to say.

[richardshapiroII]

I don't "believe" this video.

It's not completely "real"

It's a demonstration

of a martial training practice

done so nobody got maimed or killed

At the same time, you can read accounts from the people pushing. They were really all trying to push him in, and hold him there.

and they were trying to grab his arm, or strike him with the stick, etc. they were using full momentum and force to attack.

that's what makes this interesting to watch...

[RonnySayfan]

So despite the sarcastic oppening you do believe it's real.

wow.

[richardshapiroII]

I am not a big fan of belief. but you do have evidence and you can build up evidence that gives you some understanding of what really happened

You watched the video

you can go and read memoirs of many people who worked with o sensei.

either you choose to think that they are all just totally lying, and this guy is a total fraud,

or you choose to think that, well, maybe there is something else going on here that I don't understand.

I think that these people are sincere in their practice.

[Aikieagle]

We don't understand what we can't comprehend or haven't tried. Especially when we're use to the outer surface level of Martial Arts.

I suggest you try a class out and feel it for yourself instead of just looking at it. Feel it first. I guarantee you'll be in for a surprise.

Also, if you've been in Martial Arts you will know that technical skill will beat strength or power. I've trained in all modes (grappling, sparring, and 6 attackers) stronger and bigger ppl, it won't matter if no skill

[RonnySayfan]

Ah yes, we don't understand what we cannot comprehand... flawless logic.

Oh my god - you have expirience in ALL mods - including the famed 6 attackers?! You combined grappling with sparring???!

Then I must bow to you superior understanding in all things incomprehensible...

Hopefully one day I'll somehow gain a glimpse of the wizdom that lies beneath the "outer surface level of the martial arts".

[Aikieagle]

Maybe, but first you actually have to train. ;) lol.

[RonnySayfan]

I have practiced korindo aikido, bigshot - keep telling yourself there's "something else" at the end of the rainbow...

[zioteam]

thank you very much for share this clip with us REALY THANK YOU !!!!

[obiwancanuck]

If aikido is so useless, why is it required training for the kidotai, the Japanese Riot Police? The kidotai are the police who are called in during a riot or other instances where a crowd of people are rioting, protesting or are out of control.

There is more to a martial art than whether or not it can be used in the UFC or MMA in general. I don't hear of a lot of governments asking their police force to train in BJJ and the like (and yes, I'm aware that the IDF trains Krav Maga).

[mimoo11111]

Krav Maga? what kind of martial art is that? :)

[obiwancanuck]

Krav Maga is an Israeli martial art that originated during WWII. It combines karate, boxing, judo and a few other arts. Check it out here on YouTube - it's a pretty tough looking art.

[ziswise]

that's not about kicking shit out of the basard. BTW, were there any israeli forces during WWII?? Never heard of time travelling

[NyloStar]

The Army Rangers are also trained in Aikido to disarm opponents and regain control of a situation where they are outnumbered in hand to hand combat. When people say Aikido is useless, they're saying more about themselves than they are about the art.

[santoku12345]

i think its kali a filipino marshal art not aikido

[1973BEE]

wheyez what an awesome point you make. the very fact that in the practice of Capoeira the amount of physical contact is limited and it still clear to see that there is a potentially devastating force at hand..... so why risk sure injury.

[seektheforce]

I like my Judo, I did Aikido for 6 years when I was little. It did much to improve my coordination and it provided the basis for me to learn other martial arts (like judo/jj) I don't think it has done me any harm so i don't see why you guys get all worked up.

[BxMafioso718]

Watch some steven siegal movies and see what he does. He is an Aikido Master

[MarkusWarrior]

He's just an actor, and he is making real damage to aikido ...

[sunreaper2]

Indeed he is, but on a clip of O'Sensei, saying that Segal is a master makes Morihei look like he is not a master lol. You shouldn't forget that Segal is a student of O'Sensei's students :)

[sweetsweatyfeet]

Look up the definition of Mysticism. It subsumes the very category of spiritualism you speak of. But I am not about to tell you what to believe. You have every right to enjoy your "higher level" but you are mistaken if you think it is the product of thinking.

For me reason and empirical evidence is the product of critical thinking.

Maybe one day we will see an aikido expert in MMA competition. It will be worth celebrating as evidence will be at work to silence one side or the other.

[wheyez]

You see a drop of water, but you fail to see the ocean from which it came!

The art is much deeper than a handful of techniques you saw demonstrated here!

[MarthaESanchez]

Te Amo Morihei Ueshiba!!!!!!!! Gracias por tus Enseñanzas! El Gran Maestro de las Artes Marciales! No más Guerra en el Mundo, este es el ejemplo para el Mundo Entero para cambiar la estupidez mental de la Guerra a la Compasión!

[longwanghung]

probably the greatest martial artistever.!

[philipw2005]

Grand Master Morihei Ueshiba was wellknown in the military troops with his excellent sword's skill during First World War.

Master then preached peace through AiKiDo.

This is wonderful !

It is my pleasure having chances to absorb Master's great skills and thinkings.

Thanks for the posting.

[MartialArtNerd52475]

Opponents or co-operatives technique is shown when I say technique I do not mean "His demonstrating against a co-operative it is easy" yes it is easy but the technique is not; emotional content. You can choreograph a fight and tell a person with no experience with martial arts to fight they have no knowledge an art but you can tell them what to do, but do they have the CHI power for it?

[sweetsweatyfeet]

Not opponents, but cooperatives.

[acquiesce100]

i couldnt have summed it up better

[Cacey0101]

Pretty much the only cooperative part in Aikido is the single honest attck by uke, if uke decides to be an opponent then thats where bones can be broken.

[dantemustkill]

haha ..

yes.

[sweetsweatyfeet]

Bones broken?, that's the theory. In practice nobody can grab your wrist and break it so quick except in Steven Seagal movies. That's just wishful thinking. You need to first get into a dominant position (on the ground) before you can pull off a submission against anyone who can halfway fight. Anyone who practices BJJ knows that.

[ketsan]

No that's the reality. It's been done for centuries and is very well documented.

[dantemustkill]

well the point of aikido is that you dont want to break anything if you dont have to..

whats BJJ? im dumb lol

[wheyez]

bjj is brazilian juijutsu, basically judo! They arent allowed to use wrist locks & small joint manipulation!

[BxMafioso718]

you are not allowed to use it in competition but it is taught as well. Trust me !

[wheyez]

Yes i can break your wrist, elbow or shoulder before youve even hit the ground! But thats not the point and would/should be avoided if possible!

BJJ is only half an art! Its is judo, which was jujutsu thats been modified for sport use & had most of the dangerous techniques removed!

Its not hard to have you screaming whilst still on your feet! Aiki is a more zen/spritual approach to Jujutsu, using minimalised techniques/movement, but the JJ background is still there if needed!

Trust me it works!

[sweetsweatyfeet]

When you end up the ground, (and you will against a decent BJJ or wrestler), does aikido teach you what to do?

You aikido guys are tall on claims but short on proof.

You mention BJJ as half an art. Well, it is NOT an art at all but more of a science and a far more effective one than aikido. At least BJJ has proven itself competitively whereas aikido has not since aikidokas won't compete. How convenient, it allows guys like you to claim with impunity what devastating fighters you are.

[wheyez]

It is most unfortunate that people like yourself are unlikely to ever understand the true meaning of Aiki!

However it is never to late to remove the vail of ignorance!

We are not interested in competition, nor are we allowed to use many of our techniques in competition due to the governing rules!

This was a waring art developed over many centuries, to do one thing & its devistatingly effective when used so!

Aiki is the spiritual advancement of Jujutsu! I myself do many arts including Aikijutsu!

[sweetsweatyfeet]

"We are not interested in competition" "aikido is "devistatingly effective"

Devastating, compared to what? If aikidokas refuse to compete how do you know how effective aikido is against someone else's skills or art.

"spiritual advancement" Spiritual, to me that means mystical. You might as well be talking religion. At that point I must bow out as I don't share the faith.

The credibility of aikido will continue to be in doubt until it proves itself in the arena of civilized competition.

[wheyez]

Why should i have to compete and hurt someone just to make you believe that our art, which was developed from almost a mellenia of warring on battlefields can actually hurt someone?

We have nothing to prove!

Aiki isnt all about EGO training, its a way of life (not a religion)!

By stating that spiritual means mystical to you, just highlights your incapacity to think at a higher level! To enhance ones spiritual state of mind & being is not mystical & not nessesarily religious! Are monks mystical?

[CMarquez777]

If by co operatives you mean they are just going up to him and falling on purpose, then no, they are not.

[aikireiki777]

morihei ueshiba is a best artist martial of world..Ai-Ki-Do..el camino de la energia en armonia

[yukatanDX]

al abuelete le dejan ganar, facilmente!!

[alterpeke]

No tenes idea de lo que decis...

[yukatanDX]

que te calles carmele

[Kalipo25]

thank you very much for this video