Fucking dumb ass liberals!!! Stop fucking acting like we do not have a 1.1 Trillion dollar deficit and start making some fucking cuts!!! We need to stop all this out of control spending!!!
Uh, hello stupid, the CBO ceased to be an "independent body" since Owebummer called them up on the carpet and said "look, whatever I do, you say yes, or you and your staff will not only be out of jobs at the CBO, we will put out the word and you will be making fries and cleaning out the grease pits at your local establishment" and roll over they did and have ever since.
Yeah I had an adult conversation with a financial adviser yesterday. I said I was going to spend more money on buying things for my drumkit, because that'll give me an incentive to work harder so I can buy more things for my drumkit. He told me I had to pay off my credit card debt, so I decided I'd buy a double-necked guitar as well. This plan will make me a millionaire in 3 years, which is why I fired that guy, as he said I'd go bankrupt in 3 months.
I really don't understand how folks can't get it. While I do support some social programs I would like to see a proper balance. Yet, we spend BILLIONS of dollars daily on militarism of other countries. I wonder what cost more the social programs or the amount spent on wars, and foreign aid to countries THAT DON'T NEED IT.
Thats one of the problems with politics theres never a median. Theres never an equal bi-partisanship. Republicans think the deficit is a spending problem while democrats think its a revenue problem.
Corporations pay far less than the 35% standard rate due to loopholes and deductions. The big corporations are hoarding their cash and the "banks" are gambling it on derivatives and futures. They are not creating jobs. So, yes, the top 1% need to pay alot more.
@MeritisDE the evil top 1% barely consume any government resources though. Corporations do, but the amounts wildly vary depending on their size and what industry they are in.
Listen people, to every person who watches these videos... to every person who isn't in the top 10%, to every single American who is tired of struggling to make it every day and who have little hope for their children having a better life because of our corporation bought politicians... remember your disgust and your vitriol at the ballot bot. If you don't step up and take action, its your own damn fault. "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
These conservatives just don't get that government pumps cash flow around the country. Cutting taxes for the rich effectively reduces the amount of money spent on things that are really important, schools, hospitals, infrastructure and social services.
I dont object to Wisconsin teachers earning a decent salary so they can buy a house, have reliable transportation & maybe send their kids to college.
What I do object to is 1 man making more money last year than the total combined salaries of all 60,000 teachers in Wisconsin & yet only paying an overall tax rate of 15% while most teachers are paying around 30%
Why doesn't that vile stupid-ass SOB Paul Ryan handle this terrible injustice FIRST!?
Maybe Cenk should read the actual CBO report, his numbers at 2:00 are wrong.
Also the flat 25% means all these multinationals won't get writeoffs effectively reducing their tax to zero. Also, 50% of tax filers make about $25K or less, taxed at flat rate 10% ($2500) with a $12,500 credit versus the current $4500 credit, effectively giving them $10K refund a year. That buys a hell of a lot medical care to offset any reductions in medicaid medicare. The middle class earners also get a tax cut.
I've worked 40 hours a week for 52 weeks straight and barely made $20,000 2 years ago. Sure, $20,000 is no big deal when you can easily make it off the backs of the proliteriat.
The U.S is a fucking sick country on this,the deficit is as much about social security, which all countries should have, and overseas military bases and welfare money to Israel and various dictators worldwide.
So let me get this straight. According to Cenk, if you give money to the poor people you have a "multiplier effect" to which a dollar given will yield 2 dollars back in taxes. But if you give a tax break to the rich, you get 0 dollars back. Apparently Cenk uses a new form of math.
@bluefootedpig yes thats exactly how it works because us at the lower class level will spend that money at a local atore or business therefore that buisinesswill have gained a dollar which realisticly isnt that big bbut once it becomes two three hundred dollars to aloal business thats enough to pay for the entire week a person has worked in that stoore so yes his math makes perfect sense the rich save their money and the poor spend it
@joeychaos1134 That logic doesn't work. Why would earning extra money cause a business to hire more people when giving the business more money will not? If anything, what you are saying is that by giving the poor money, then they will buy goods based on the backs of the tax payers. That item would need to be replaced, so business would have to buy more, and so on and so forth. But that just means that you tax, give free stuff, then tax the production to replace said product.
@bluefootedpig if you have a successful business and you get a taxcut, there is no incentive to actually raise loans or hire more men. it is just extra profit that can be put in their own pocket. the only business that prolly invest in the business will be businesses that is just starting or not making the profit they want. When bush gave you rebate, did you spend it on charity to help the poor? no the majority prolly spent it on themselves
@robinvan1983 True that people tend to spend it on themselves, but why as any business would you hire someone new for an extra few hundred bucks as a one time expense. The difference is in cashflow. People are hired based on that. If the people that shop at lets say "Best Buy" gets a local area to start spending on average an extra 1000 a month, then they will hire someone. But if it is just a short term surge, then those already employed would just work more hours.
@bluefootedpig - "If the people that shop at lets say "Best Buy" gets a local area to start spending on average an extra 1000 a month, then they will hire someone." That's the entire point! Us on the bottom, we need stuff! I need stuff! I need a new power mast, I need to install sprinklers, I need to install a floor, I need to make upgrades on various parts of my house, I need to cut down a tree. I need batteries, food, clothes, and a washer and dryer. But I'm not buying them. Why? I"M BROKE!
@LeksServices So your solution is to tax someone else, so that you can have the money to buy things that you don't need, but want. And this is morally sound to you? If it was legal to walk over to your neighbor and take his lawn mower, would you? Without asking? just walk over and take it?
@bluefootedpig - Right now, we spend US$40.00 a week on groceries. Sure, that's not alot of money, but that's all we have for food. Let's say we just doubled that. That would allow us to spend more on groceries, and would help the grocery store to expand it's business. Are you saying those will "decimate grocery stores across the country?" o.O
@LeksServices Yes, what you said makes sense. But lets look at it from the business point of view. You have a customer that spends 40 bucks a month on food, they want to spend more. You know that they just come into an extra 200 bucks, a killer 5 times more money than they normally spend. Do you A) hire someone new to take care of this extra money, then when the money runs out lay off the person, have your insurance go up, etc... or B) have employees work a few more hours until that 200 is gone?
@bluefootedpig - In fact, I'll describe your business model simply. You have a business where you mow lawns. You have ten customers. The government gives you ten million dollars, but you don't have new customers. Do you {a} buy more equipment and {b} hire more people to help you mow the same ten lawns, or do you just pocket the money? Let's say the government gives that money to everyone in your town. Now they can afford to pay you to mow their lawns. Now you have 100 customers. Do you hire?
@LeksServices Is this money a cashflow or one time expense? If you give everyone 100 bucks to hire my service, but that is only going to hire me for mowing your lawn once, then no, i will not hire someone new. To go through the paperwork and pay the higher insurance premiums just to take a slight increase in potential biz. If you gave me that money, I would be advertising it to increase my biz so that I can more more money, it is called investing.
@bluefootedpig by cutting taxes for businesses were just puttig the burden on those of us in the lower and middle classes if these corporations can use loopholes to not pay any taxes at all the government has less money and we all lose because i doubt your some upper class brat sitting on your computer and commenting just to queit cenk down i seriously urge you to look deeper into economics if we were to increase the tax rate on the top 5% wecould save this country trillions
@joeychaos1134 OH, i agree completely that we would. I also think if we cut the military budget by 10% we would save even more. Or hell, keep the military budget, but reallocate them to building community gardens and other civil improvements. But the idea that giving rebates to poor is not going to create jobs. It is all a cashflow to demand. Both need to be there. The best way to help out would be to stop buying from the big box stores and support local small biz.
@bluefootedpig - Stupid Comment Of The Week: "Why would earning extra money cause a business to hire more people when giving the business more money will not?" If a business is selling more stuff, they'll hire more people to handle the increased demand. If you just give them more money, without increasing demand, they have no need to hire more people since there's no increase in demand.
How do you manage your cognitive dissonance? I mean, really? Are you a dogmatist, a religionist, or what?
@LeksServices You must not be a business owner. Lets say I am selling groceries, and all my clients have 100 extra bucks to spend only at my store. Once that 100 dollars is gone, they will return back to their normal shopping habits. Would you hire someone to help or just increase the hours of currently working people? or even more so, just keep doing the same thing as most business isn't done old school style, and is automated. Putting one pallet on a truck vs two pallets is not that hard.
@GJNCA - That's what I think it's really about. I knew people couldn't be that abysmally stupid to be that against their own economic interests. I have a feeling that these people vote Republican because when they hear about cutting social programs they assume it's going to be all minorities, gays (who they perceive as poor for whatever reason), single moms (they mostly think of black women), and liberals (who right-wingers invariably perceive as all unemployed 20/30-something pot-smokers).
Wow, Paul Ryan needs to check the income number and see how many people only have $20,000 income in a year -- so putting that very amount towards health care is impossible.
US is not up to their neck in debt. The big corporations have made the best numbers in years and there's a enormous amount of money.. but in the wrong hands. Let the rich SOB's thieves pay back for everything they have stolen and the national debt will prolly vanish.
Sounds like the future is going to be bonded labor on a scale never seen foreign and domestic. I saw part of a debate concerning the sale of organs by poor people for cash money yesterday on Fox. It, of course, was being heralded as a compassionate potential policy for the poor people. Want to eat or get an education, "sell your vitals" looks like the new motto as well. I can't even believe what "America" has become; pretty sad. The future is apparently more of the last 30 years minus the "good"
People seriously need to stop complaining about the state of American politics and the American people, especially you ignoramus foreigners. The "middle class" is in no dire state at this current moment, and only a handful of Americans are being directly affected by the corrupt government. While corrupt politicians are earning themselves money, the majority of Americans are living their lives in ignorant comfortable bliss. Revolution will come, just not now. Stop PMS'ing.
Perhaps most amazing in all of this is the right-wing’s willingness to put on public display their contempt for working people and the poor. They’re either unconscious, addicts of some sort, or just happen to represent one of the largest confluences of evil people in the world. Either way, they gotta go.
If what they’ve done for the past 3 years isn’t enough to get sane people out to vote against them, then I truly fear for the future of this place.
@Aarixan yeah that won't happen. That thrid party needs a majority in the house and senate or it needs to bargain with the other 2 to actually get things done
@peachdica That's not even survival of the fittest. It IS Social Darwinism and it IS massively immoral... But Darwinian fitness is the ability to survive until reproduction and ensure the survival of those offspring. Despite their disgust for teaching evolution, I'm amazed how many bible-thumpers/conservatives are Social Darwinists. It's horrible
@peachdica ya, it's not like people could possibly be responsible for managing their own standard of living, let a bunch of government bureaucrats several times removed from an election process that doesn't fairly represent anyone in the first place, tell us how to run our lives. Genius.
what we have is a fundamentally different view of what government is. because republicans hate government, they have an advantage, because they can get elected, mess things up, and then say "see, we told you government is the problem." they dupe the socially conservative portion of the middle class to vote away their financial interests in exchange for a pledge to fight gays, immigrants, abortion of whatever sounds evil to their constituents in exchange for handing the reins of public coffers
Well, you probably could balance the budget, by pullimg all social programs and allowing the elderly, the dis-abled, the mentally ill and those actively seeking employment to die in the streets. Tax cuts for the rich would then allow them to invest in the thriving military industry which employs a non-union slave labour workforce....
@crocfme "Now do they honestly expect us to believe that if we add $1 billion to trillions we are spending 1 more program to the hundreds we already have do they believe that poverty is suddenly going to disappear by magic? But the reverse is true. Each year the need grows greater, the program grows greater. All opposed to them are indicted as hatemongers & racist. The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so." President Reagan
I just dont understand why rich people want to get richer??? I mean to me yes I understand having the ability to buy what you want or need, but I dont get why you need an extra million dollars a year when you already make several million. How much better is your life going to be when your wealth is 30 million rather than just 25? I just dont get it at all. Materials can only bring so much pleasure.
@indian8217 my first job was at prudential securities, and i got to see first hand how wealth actually creates more anxiety because every dollar lost would result in angry calls and endless bitching about how some investment didn't get the same rate of return as someone else. what happens when you have that kind of wealth is that you enter a world where all you are is your money, and the social circle where you are judges you on how much you have and are worth; it's basically peer pressure.
@ttowntvcom - The way you do that is to take away all their money, take away their identification, strip them of all their personal belongings, and throw them in the worst homeless shelter we can find. This is, of course, only temporary. But it should be long enough to give them the idea. Do you think four years is long enough? Once they've been through *THAT,* their ideas should be completely different.
According to history, since 1939, Repubs have helped create over 31million jobs--35.8%. The dems have helped create over 56 million jobs--64.2 percent. Dems ARE BETTER in creating jobs than Repubs. And no, giving tax breaks doesn't "help" or "trickle" down money. If any "trickle" down does takes place, chances are rich person's dog will be the beneficiary than you. This trillion dollars republicans are trying to "cut" is nothing but smoke and mirrors. It will be huge tax break for the rich.
@Stingerbillion It does not MATTER how much money a massively rich person has. He will NOT invest in creating jobs if the customers have no money. The system is rewarding NOT hiring people, but instead "investing"in dirivitives and bonds and things like that.
Cutting taxes to encourage growth and thereby increase tax revenue can actually work. If your taxes are ridiculously high. Ours are not even close. Raise them.
This is Grover Norquist's wet dream. Years ago he said this - "My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." The Republicans are helping with that insanity.
If you think a reduction in taxes for the richest in this country will help you more when you're not in that bracket, then you're either ignorant and need to educate yourself or you're just stupid and I don't think I can help you.
I love how the party who hates the poor like the repugs do and yet they still claim to be christians. just shows that they don't understand what christ was (supposed to be) all about
@electricalbananaa honestly, i have a VERY loose trust for government. the two party system does not work. republicans are corporate owned and the dems have no spine, the cave to republicans. i really dont know why i voted for anyone in any elections
America is NO MORE A CAPITALIST COUNTRY!!!! In capitalism you don't just cut ... you invest money!!!!! Venture Capitals invest money in challenging projects to get ROI and push the most innovative companies in the market ... AMERICA IS A FUCKING FASCIST CORPORATIST COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE ZERO INVESTMENTS AND TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES. AMERICA IS NOW A THIRD WORD COUNTRY WHERE 400 PEOPLE EARN MORE THAN 200M WHO WORK 60 h/WEEK, WORK 2-3 JOBS, NO HOLIDAYS, OBESE AND ZERO SERVICES AT HIGH PREMIUMS
You are wrong. When you say "AMERICA IS A FUCKING FASCIST CORPORATIST COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE ZERO INVESTMENTS" that's incorrect. They invest their money buying polititians; then they get a return of their investment (for ex. like you said, they get tax cuts).
So the system is working as intended (as they intend).
You understand that America has been totally fucked up by the Tea Party when a Celine Dion like artist like Pia Toscano is eliminated by American Idol.
America is totally in disarray with positive thinking and rationality since 2009
Um.... How the fuck can cutting 4 Trillion make the deficit greater? That makes no fucking sense. The deficit would be greater than what it would if we raised the taxes on the rich, but I imagine it would be lower. WHY would it INCREASE the deficit Cenk? The plan is still BS, but conceptually, how?
Sorry to say this US folk. We love your deranged political system. We always use you as an example of what not to do. It seems your also showing us how a population can become willing surfs. Wow, sacrifice.
Sorry to say this baalisgod666, but as you say many people in other countries see this as an example of what not to do, however polititians aren't among them.
Outside the USA many polititians seem to take this as an example, as a way to get more money into their pockets.
@JMFytube well they try. John Howard "man of steal" was laughed at here. He tried obvious republican tactics, but we saw through it because we saw it all before in the USA. Don't get me wrong. I hope things improve. But sometimes it has to hurt.
Evidently if you're lower or middle class or a senior then the United States is not your country anymore. It now belongs to Donald Trump, the Koch brothers, and all their pals.
That is exactly why rich people are for small government: a small government can't have tax collectors and doesn't throw rich people that evade taxes in jail.
When the government doesn't set society's rules, and business owns the government anyway, business will set society's rules - whether it be whether people are allowed to smoke, or what kind of dress they can have, what they do in their private lives, etc. Not that they don't do some of that now, but when you're dependent on a big corporation to have a job, and thus, provide for yourself and your family, and they can withhold employment, less rules = that happening faster.
the way i see it fuck health insurance that stuff is a rip off your better off saving your own money turns health care instead of paying high premiums & then when you actually need it surprise your not covered.
@ROBISDISTURBED I spent over $20k on a few tests when i got sick a couple years back, they wanted to keep doing more and more expensive tests because the Doctors couldn't figure it out... Most people could work for 3 lifetimes and not have enough money to pay for 1 illness or injury.
In our country people's illness is a very profitable business. We are the only country in the world that makes massive profits off of our sick, injured handicapped and dieing.
@nek0s everything is a big business in America. crimes, drugs, war, death, someone is making a huge profits of the pain of others. welcome to the land of the free & the best country in the world lmfao no wonder we are a joke to the world.
America is a joke and has been for a very long time. I have said this before, I'm seriously thinking about moving to Brazil. An emerging market, low taxes, free health care and the women... oooh the women !
If Republicans like this keep on having their way and Medicare, Medicade, & SS are cut, then this is not going to have a pretty ending. The Tea Party movement is just a large white, less educated, uninformed, armchair uprising that has a lot more to do with a visceral dislike of the current President than looking for true just economic reform. Most Americans, when the reach retirement age, will depend on SS and Medicare. Cutting the benefits will affect all but the rich. There will be a revolt.
Paul Ryan and the rest of the GOP male ass-clown goons and geezers can not balance the budget. Only Sarah Palin has the power to balance the budget for she has the POWER of GOD HERSELF as HER CHOSEN ONE! This country NEEDS President Palin for 8 years! She will balance the budget in her 1st year and create massive surpluses that will surpass Clinton's in the remainder of her 2 terms!
@Kooshkoff The government is corrupt and is being taken over by corporations who want nothing better than to gut the government so that you can stay disorganized and powerless. Enjoy, freak.
@ZKoftherebellion Tax cuts have never worked. A company goes where it can find the resources it needs to conduct business. Republicans are determined to make the US competitive with the third world by gutting education and infrastructure. It an open invitation for companies that exploit people as disposable resources.
@j0hnwi11iams >make the us competitive with the third world
Oh yes, those third world countries have it so much better we should be competing with them instead of modernized countries.
Oh wait.
also, protip: Government-mandated Fed controlled education is a policy founded and pioneered by the wonderful people of Hitler and Stalin and has no place in a Democratic society. Have a good day. :)
@ZKoftherebellion wrong, in fact the exact opposite has happened countless times.
-Calvin Coolidge
-Richard Nixon
-Ronald Reagan
-George W. Bush
Wanna know the primary relationship between those four presidents? All four of them deregulated the economy and lowered taxes to record lows. Wanna know the other relationship? A recession occurred after each of their presidencies, and for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush, a massive deficit followed.
@bobbytiger hope you like tainted meat, death trap cars, toll roads as far as the eye can see, the memory of being able to breathe outside, the memory of fishing, etc.
Close the government. Way to go, hoss. You just caused the apocalypse.
@bobbytiger a kool-aid comment. How original. An attack on MSNBC. Never heard that one before.
So what I'm hearing is you have no idea what the government actually does. You just have an idea of some nondescript "bad thing" that you want to go away.
"republicans aren't stupid people, but stupid people are republicans." - Karl Rove
It is amazing how stupid greed is. These guys have the country locked up. They can continue to suck all its wealth into their pockets & have accomplish this with brilliant politics (make the working poor love the rich & hate the middle class)
But their greed has blinded them. You destroy these social services & the people will literally be dying in the streets in 30 years. You got us to sit by passively while you loot our pockets. BUT old people dying in the streets will wake the revolution
@Andy180084 Maybe the problem doesnt lie within raising or lowering taxes(though it does) maybe the problem lies within the those unnecessary federal programs. Privatize public schools, social security etc. and there wont be a need for taxes. And those services will be cheaper for all of us.
@eastnygoon138 This is a typical free market myth. What you will get is the very big school corporation who will suck all the money out and provide little in terms of education. It will cost you far more in terms of the costs to society of having a stratified and hardened class system ruled by privileged incompetents.
@j0hnwi11iams There is evidence behind what I say. Private schools perform better than public schools in terms of grades, class side, teacher attention/quality, actualy school grounds etc. You name it private schools are better at it. And whats crazy is that public school teachers recieve on average 40% in pay more than private schools teachers. Tuition at most private schools is cheaper than the taxes you pay for public schools and would be even cheaper if not for having to compete with public
@eastnygoon138 well guess what would happen if the entire public went to private schools? They wouldn't be private anymore, and thousands of private schools would need to be built that would likely set their own testing standards and curriculum. Also, the poorer populace of the nation would be unable to pay for schools.
@Andy180084 They would still be privately owned... New schools would not have to be built if the current ones were brought under private ownership. It would be good if individual schools had their own standards, they would have to compete with one another to set those standards higher and higher(something public schools have struggled with since there inception). There would obviously be cheap schools and expensive schools. Poor people would go to cheap schools, like they do now.
@eastnygoon138 The problem is education should be an equaling force, not another nail in the coffin for class disparity. Wealthy people already have so many advantages. Why give them a better K-12 education on top of that?
@Rathelm If you think things are bad now then wait a few years. To paraphrase a quote Cenk often makes from Warren Buffett, "This is class warfare and my side (ie. the rich) are winning." Make no mistake, there is a concerted effort going on by the rich to eliminate the middle class. Public education did a lot to create the middle class in the first place, so it should come as no surprise that it has become a central target of the (R)ich party.
@eastnygoon138 hmmm not a bad idea. Problem is how would changing the schools from public ownership to private ownership change anything? The staff wouldn't change.
@Andy180084 Incentives. There is very little incentive for public sector workers to work harder or do anything different than what they are already doing because they are coddled by the fed/unions. For example, teachers in california make $50,000 a year after retirement on average. That is more than private sector teachers make while actually working in most of the country. And guess who out performs who...
@Andy180084 They get $50,000 every year after retirement. Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt that a little higher than the average income for ANYONE working in the US?
I think it's time to do a national recall effort. Let's recall all of our congressmen and senators. I also it's time for us on the left to stand up for ourselves. If the tea party wants to show up armed to our protests, let's show up armed too. I am for wrenching our country from the hands of these psychopathic, rich fascists at any cost.
the pessimist side of me wants these stupid GOP laws to pass so all those retarded old people that overwhelmingly voted GOP lose everything. "I want gov't out of my medicare" really? well here you go, you fucking dumbass!
@cyclohexane1 I agree. Or maybe we make it so anyone who's tea party doesn't have to pay for social security, but they get no help from the government ever. Oh you're living in a trailer? You can go die. You're eating purina? Bon apetit? Oh you've got cancer? it sucks to be you, take an asprin, shut the fuck up.
Why aren't people (voting citizens) launching massive recall efforts against their business-bought-and-paid-for Congress Critters? Either no one is paying attention, or the news media is failing to report the outrage.
This is all I'll say. In any other country there would be massive protests, look at Europe, where the cuts are far more shallow. In any other country the politicians would be afraid to propose these budgets because the people would run them out of the country on a rail. Maybe it's time to be more like France, circa 1789
Everything about Ryans's bill is anti-middle class. He wants to rid the American people of medicare, but still dummies vote for these people even though it is against their own self-interest.
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Fucking dumb ass liberals!!! Stop fucking acting like we do not have a 1.1 Trillion dollar deficit and start making some fucking cuts!!! We need to stop all this out of control spending!!!
chinesedevildog 1 week ago
Paul Ryan LOVES Big Sausage Pizza, ROFL!!!!!!.
Tmetrvlr 8 months ago
Uh, hello stupid, the CBO ceased to be an "independent body" since Owebummer called them up on the carpet and said "look, whatever I do, you say yes, or you and your staff will not only be out of jobs at the CBO, we will put out the word and you will be making fries and cleaning out the grease pits at your local establishment" and roll over they did and have ever since.
btwall60 9 months ago
Magically? You mean how magically all former tax cuts raised revenue?
jeebiskebowski 10 months ago
Yeah I had an adult conversation with a financial adviser yesterday. I said I was going to spend more money on buying things for my drumkit, because that'll give me an incentive to work harder so I can buy more things for my drumkit. He told me I had to pay off my credit card debt, so I decided I'd buy a double-necked guitar as well. This plan will make me a millionaire in 3 years, which is why I fired that guy, as he said I'd go bankrupt in 3 months.
I'm having an adult conversation!!!!!!
MyTemporaryAccount88 10 months ago
I really don't understand how folks can't get it. While I do support some social programs I would like to see a proper balance. Yet, we spend BILLIONS of dollars daily on militarism of other countries. I wonder what cost more the social programs or the amount spent on wars, and foreign aid to countries THAT DON'T NEED IT.
yuukisama2001 10 months ago
I love how reality is irrelevant to politicians. Ideology is nice, but to be practical it has to be rooted in reality, which is rare these days.
executehelenkeller 10 months ago
I am now beginning to think nothing short of a revolution will fix anything.
fonkymaster 10 months ago 2
rawr. as long as i have a bottle of jim beam when the time comes when we're needed, its all good. its gravy baby.
Tartersauce101 10 months ago
Thats one of the problems with politics theres never a median. Theres never an equal bi-partisanship. Republicans think the deficit is a spending problem while democrats think its a revenue problem.
imboardnotstupid 10 months ago
Corporations pay far less than the 35% standard rate due to loopholes and deductions. The big corporations are hoarding their cash and the "banks" are gambling it on derivatives and futures. They are not creating jobs. So, yes, the top 1% need to pay alot more.
MeritisDE 10 months ago
@MeritisDE the evil top 1% barely consume any government resources though. Corporations do, but the amounts wildly vary depending on their size and what industry they are in.
Houshalter 10 months ago
Listen people, to every person who watches these videos... to every person who isn't in the top 10%, to every single American who is tired of struggling to make it every day and who have little hope for their children having a better life because of our corporation bought politicians... remember your disgust and your vitriol at the ballot bot. If you don't step up and take action, its your own damn fault. "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
dorksied 10 months ago
5:02 Well hello there... :D
Zefurion1988 10 months ago
These conservatives just don't get that government pumps cash flow around the country. Cutting taxes for the rich effectively reduces the amount of money spent on things that are really important, schools, hospitals, infrastructure and social services.
emalkin71 10 months ago
I dont object to Wisconsin teachers earning a decent salary so they can buy a house, have reliable transportation & maybe send their kids to college.
What I do object to is 1 man making more money last year than the total combined salaries of all 60,000 teachers in Wisconsin & yet only paying an overall tax rate of 15% while most teachers are paying around 30%
Why doesn't that vile stupid-ass SOB Paul Ryan handle this terrible injustice FIRST!?
DillonDee1 10 months ago
Maybe Cenk should read the actual CBO report, his numbers at 2:00 are wrong.
Also the flat 25% means all these multinationals won't get writeoffs effectively reducing their tax to zero. Also, 50% of tax filers make about $25K or less, taxed at flat rate 10% ($2500) with a $12,500 credit versus the current $4500 credit, effectively giving them $10K refund a year. That buys a hell of a lot medical care to offset any reductions in medicaid medicare. The middle class earners also get a tax cut.
coffeenuts44 10 months ago
@coffeenuts44
And the CBO report projects the "Debt held by public" to be ZERO versus the current do nothing projection of 716% of GDP.
coffeenuts44 10 months ago
I've worked 40 hours a week for 52 weeks straight and barely made $20,000 2 years ago. Sure, $20,000 is no big deal when you can easily make it off the backs of the proliteriat.
ToTheConquered 10 months ago
ryan rocks
edlannon 10 months ago
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@GJNCA You are a moron.
nero8289 10 months ago
The U.S is a fucking sick country on this,the deficit is as much about social security, which all countries should have, and overseas military bases and welfare money to Israel and various dictators worldwide.
Which one do the Republicans want to cut?
underbjorn 10 months ago
So let me get this straight. According to Cenk, if you give money to the poor people you have a "multiplier effect" to which a dollar given will yield 2 dollars back in taxes. But if you give a tax break to the rich, you get 0 dollars back. Apparently Cenk uses a new form of math.
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig reality base math. but you're too ideologically blinded to see it.
moestietabarnak 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig yes thats exactly how it works because us at the lower class level will spend that money at a local atore or business therefore that buisinesswill have gained a dollar which realisticly isnt that big bbut once it becomes two three hundred dollars to aloal business thats enough to pay for the entire week a person has worked in that stoore so yes his math makes perfect sense the rich save their money and the poor spend it
joeychaos1134 10 months ago 2
@joeychaos1134 That logic doesn't work. Why would earning extra money cause a business to hire more people when giving the business more money will not? If anything, what you are saying is that by giving the poor money, then they will buy goods based on the backs of the tax payers. That item would need to be replaced, so business would have to buy more, and so on and so forth. But that just means that you tax, give free stuff, then tax the production to replace said product.
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig if you have a successful business and you get a taxcut, there is no incentive to actually raise loans or hire more men. it is just extra profit that can be put in their own pocket. the only business that prolly invest in the business will be businesses that is just starting or not making the profit they want. When bush gave you rebate, did you spend it on charity to help the poor? no the majority prolly spent it on themselves
robinvan1983 10 months ago
@robinvan1983 True that people tend to spend it on themselves, but why as any business would you hire someone new for an extra few hundred bucks as a one time expense. The difference is in cashflow. People are hired based on that. If the people that shop at lets say "Best Buy" gets a local area to start spending on average an extra 1000 a month, then they will hire someone. But if it is just a short term surge, then those already employed would just work more hours.
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig - "If the people that shop at lets say "Best Buy" gets a local area to start spending on average an extra 1000 a month, then they will hire someone." That's the entire point! Us on the bottom, we need stuff! I need stuff! I need a new power mast, I need to install sprinklers, I need to install a floor, I need to make upgrades on various parts of my house, I need to cut down a tree. I need batteries, food, clothes, and a washer and dryer. But I'm not buying them. Why? I"M BROKE!
LeksServices 10 months ago
@LeksServices So your solution is to tax someone else, so that you can have the money to buy things that you don't need, but want. And this is morally sound to you? If it was legal to walk over to your neighbor and take his lawn mower, would you? Without asking? just walk over and take it?
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig - Right now, we spend US$40.00 a week on groceries. Sure, that's not alot of money, but that's all we have for food. Let's say we just doubled that. That would allow us to spend more on groceries, and would help the grocery store to expand it's business. Are you saying those will "decimate grocery stores across the country?" o.O
LeksServices 10 months ago
@LeksServices Yes, what you said makes sense. But lets look at it from the business point of view. You have a customer that spends 40 bucks a month on food, they want to spend more. You know that they just come into an extra 200 bucks, a killer 5 times more money than they normally spend. Do you A) hire someone new to take care of this extra money, then when the money runs out lay off the person, have your insurance go up, etc... or B) have employees work a few more hours until that 200 is gone?
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig - In fact, I'll describe your business model simply. You have a business where you mow lawns. You have ten customers. The government gives you ten million dollars, but you don't have new customers. Do you {a} buy more equipment and {b} hire more people to help you mow the same ten lawns, or do you just pocket the money? Let's say the government gives that money to everyone in your town. Now they can afford to pay you to mow their lawns. Now you have 100 customers. Do you hire?
LeksServices 10 months ago
@LeksServices Is this money a cashflow or one time expense? If you give everyone 100 bucks to hire my service, but that is only going to hire me for mowing your lawn once, then no, i will not hire someone new. To go through the paperwork and pay the higher insurance premiums just to take a slight increase in potential biz. If you gave me that money, I would be advertising it to increase my biz so that I can more more money, it is called investing.
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig by cutting taxes for businesses were just puttig the burden on those of us in the lower and middle classes if these corporations can use loopholes to not pay any taxes at all the government has less money and we all lose because i doubt your some upper class brat sitting on your computer and commenting just to queit cenk down i seriously urge you to look deeper into economics if we were to increase the tax rate on the top 5% wecould save this country trillions
joeychaos1134 10 months ago
@joeychaos1134 OH, i agree completely that we would. I also think if we cut the military budget by 10% we would save even more. Or hell, keep the military budget, but reallocate them to building community gardens and other civil improvements. But the idea that giving rebates to poor is not going to create jobs. It is all a cashflow to demand. Both need to be there. The best way to help out would be to stop buying from the big box stores and support local small biz.
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@bluefootedpig - Stupid Comment Of The Week: "Why would earning extra money cause a business to hire more people when giving the business more money will not?" If a business is selling more stuff, they'll hire more people to handle the increased demand. If you just give them more money, without increasing demand, they have no need to hire more people since there's no increase in demand.
How do you manage your cognitive dissonance? I mean, really? Are you a dogmatist, a religionist, or what?
LeksServices 10 months ago
@LeksServices You must not be a business owner. Lets say I am selling groceries, and all my clients have 100 extra bucks to spend only at my store. Once that 100 dollars is gone, they will return back to their normal shopping habits. Would you hire someone to help or just increase the hours of currently working people? or even more so, just keep doing the same thing as most business isn't done old school style, and is automated. Putting one pallet on a truck vs two pallets is not that hard.
bluefootedpig 10 months ago
@GJNCA - That's what I think it's really about. I knew people couldn't be that abysmally stupid to be that against their own economic interests. I have a feeling that these people vote Republican because when they hear about cutting social programs they assume it's going to be all minorities, gays (who they perceive as poor for whatever reason), single moms (they mostly think of black women), and liberals (who right-wingers invariably perceive as all unemployed 20/30-something pot-smokers).
A86 10 months ago
I love the Americans in here saying "The revolution is coming." You have been saying that for 10 fucking years!! Do something!
AmusingYeti 10 months ago
Nice, under Ryan's plan Grandma will have to face the death panels after all and go broke while doing so.
CarolinaPine 10 months ago
Wow, Paul Ryan needs to check the income number and see how many people only have $20,000 income in a year -- so putting that very amount towards health care is impossible.
kwb70652 10 months ago
Wealth create poverty. The more those rich pigs steal, the poorer the people get. Is that so hard to understand??
kaxitaksi 10 months ago 2
US is not up to their neck in debt. The big corporations have made the best numbers in years and there's a enormous amount of money.. but in the wrong hands. Let the rich SOB's thieves pay back for everything they have stolen and the national debt will prolly vanish.
kaxitaksi 10 months ago
America does not have a spending problem. America has a tax cut problem.
Richardgwm 10 months ago 3
Sounds like the future is going to be bonded labor on a scale never seen foreign and domestic. I saw part of a debate concerning the sale of organs by poor people for cash money yesterday on Fox. It, of course, was being heralded as a compassionate potential policy for the poor people. Want to eat or get an education, "sell your vitals" looks like the new motto as well. I can't even believe what "America" has become; pretty sad. The future is apparently more of the last 30 years minus the "good"
PawnBACM 10 months ago
People seriously need to stop complaining about the state of American politics and the American people, especially you ignoramus foreigners. The "middle class" is in no dire state at this current moment, and only a handful of Americans are being directly affected by the corrupt government. While corrupt politicians are earning themselves money, the majority of Americans are living their lives in ignorant comfortable bliss. Revolution will come, just not now. Stop PMS'ing.
MyTheDarkKnight 10 months ago
Perhaps most amazing in all of this is the right-wing’s willingness to put on public display their contempt for working people and the poor. They’re either unconscious, addicts of some sort, or just happen to represent one of the largest confluences of evil people in the world. Either way, they gotta go.
If what they’ve done for the past 3 years isn’t enough to get sane people out to vote against them, then I truly fear for the future of this place.
demmmmm1 10 months ago
It took precisely one day for Ryan’s plan to show it’s true colors.
It does one thing. Takes from the middle-class and the poor and gives it to the richest people in the world.
There is one way to avoid the destruction of our middle-class. FIRE REPUBLICANS. HIRE DEMOCRATS.
demmmmm1 10 months ago
@demmmmm1 Because the Democrats did SO WELL when they were in control. Both parties are fucked. It's time for a third party to take the reigns.
Aarixan 10 months ago
@Aarixan yeah that won't happen. That thrid party needs a majority in the house and senate or it needs to bargain with the other 2 to actually get things done
robinvan1983 10 months ago
Cenk its phase 1 of Republican approach. He knows that it would cost money that's why the Republicans would start privitising the public sector.
nabiji 10 months ago
Anyone else notice this week was Kiss Paul Ryan's ass week?
sikvenum82 10 months ago
How can you want to get rid of healthcare for people who can't afford it? The world should not be survival of the fittest to that degree.
peachdica 10 months ago 35
@peachdica I agree it SHOULDN'T be like it, Yet here we are.
htimSsalohciN 10 months ago
@peachdica Yeah but mostly only poor people will die, so its A.O.K. ;P
thebeetalls 10 months ago
@peachdica That's not even survival of the fittest. It IS Social Darwinism and it IS massively immoral... But Darwinian fitness is the ability to survive until reproduction and ensure the survival of those offspring. Despite their disgust for teaching evolution, I'm amazed how many bible-thumpers/conservatives are Social Darwinists. It's horrible
TransHero 10 months ago
@TransHero "They are *Social Darwinists*, their arguments are irrelevant, therefore we a right by default."
Houshalter 10 months ago
@peachdica ya, it's not like people could possibly be responsible for managing their own standard of living, let a bunch of government bureaucrats several times removed from an election process that doesn't fairly represent anyone in the first place, tell us how to run our lives. Genius.
Houshalter 10 months ago
@Houshalter How can you respond to a comment that's 3 days old? You're a weirdo.
peachdica 10 months ago
@peachdica I'm guessing you don't use youtube much, do you?
Houshalter 10 months ago
@Houshalter Tell me mooore.
peachdica 10 months ago
what we have is a fundamentally different view of what government is. because republicans hate government, they have an advantage, because they can get elected, mess things up, and then say "see, we told you government is the problem." they dupe the socially conservative portion of the middle class to vote away their financial interests in exchange for a pledge to fight gays, immigrants, abortion of whatever sounds evil to their constituents in exchange for handing the reins of public coffers
tyrannosaurusinf14 10 months ago 2
Well, you probably could balance the budget, by pullimg all social programs and allowing the elderly, the dis-abled, the mentally ill and those actively seeking employment to die in the streets. Tax cuts for the rich would then allow them to invest in the thriving military industry which employs a non-union slave labour workforce....
Oops. Hitler already tried all that didn't he?
crocfme 10 months ago 11
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@crocfme "Now do they honestly expect us to believe that if we add $1 billion to trillions we are spending 1 more program to the hundreds we already have do they believe that poverty is suddenly going to disappear by magic? But the reverse is true. Each year the need grows greater, the program grows greater. All opposed to them are indicted as hatemongers & racist. The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so." President Reagan
BlackRepublican2010 10 months ago
I just dont understand why rich people want to get richer??? I mean to me yes I understand having the ability to buy what you want or need, but I dont get why you need an extra million dollars a year when you already make several million. How much better is your life going to be when your wealth is 30 million rather than just 25? I just dont get it at all. Materials can only bring so much pleasure.
indian8217 10 months ago 4
@indian8217 my first job was at prudential securities, and i got to see first hand how wealth actually creates more anxiety because every dollar lost would result in angry calls and endless bitching about how some investment didn't get the same rate of return as someone else. what happens when you have that kind of wealth is that you enter a world where all you are is your money, and the social circle where you are judges you on how much you have and are worth; it's basically peer pressure.
tyrannosaurusinf14 10 months ago
@tyrannosaurusinf14 that is a sad world to be in, how do we show people there is more to life then some number in their investment account?
ttowntvcom 10 months ago
@ttowntvcom - The way you do that is to take away all their money, take away their identification, strip them of all their personal belongings, and throw them in the worst homeless shelter we can find. This is, of course, only temporary. But it should be long enough to give them the idea. Do you think four years is long enough? Once they've been through *THAT,* their ideas should be completely different.
LeksServices 10 months ago
@indian8217 It's about power and influence, not really buying items.
Aarixan 10 months ago
According to history, since 1939, Repubs have helped create over 31million jobs--35.8%. The dems have helped create over 56 million jobs--64.2 percent. Dems ARE BETTER in creating jobs than Repubs. And no, giving tax breaks doesn't "help" or "trickle" down money. If any "trickle" down does takes place, chances are rich person's dog will be the beneficiary than you. This trillion dollars republicans are trying to "cut" is nothing but smoke and mirrors. It will be huge tax break for the rich.
Stingerbillion 10 months ago
@Stingerbillion It does not MATTER how much money a massively rich person has. He will NOT invest in creating jobs if the customers have no money. The system is rewarding NOT hiring people, but instead "investing"in dirivitives and bonds and things like that.
dangerouslytalented 10 months ago
@dangerouslytalented That's true.
Stingerbillion 10 months ago
mmm....... yummy yummy yummy lmfao!!!
MrDreambig1979 10 months ago
Cutting taxes to encourage growth and thereby increase tax revenue can actually work. If your taxes are ridiculously high. Ours are not even close. Raise them.
Krndancedance 10 months ago
@Krndancedance There needs to be a balance, and there is no such balance in America.
dangerouslytalented 10 months ago
@GJNC
Very true
treid100182 10 months ago
How about America just becomes an Anarchy. The government would do better not existing than just taking people's money.
ThatBlackPanda 10 months ago
@ThatBlackPanda That is what the teabag anarchists have been told to want.
dangerouslytalented 10 months ago
This is Grover Norquist's wet dream. Years ago he said this - "My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." The Republicans are helping with that insanity.
If you think a reduction in taxes for the richest in this country will help you more when you're not in that bracket, then you're either ignorant and need to educate yourself or you're just stupid and I don't think I can help you.
DisturbedHavok 10 months ago
@GJNCA you forgot about people who like to wear shirts made of flags and silly hats.
MrAbarrett 10 months ago
I love how the party who hates the poor like the repugs do and yet they still claim to be christians. just shows that they don't understand what christ was (supposed to be) all about
Dahgrostabphri 10 months ago
i really dont know why i vote anymore. everyone in washington is bought and only care about the money.
TQXPreturns 10 months ago
@TQXPreturns
i agree. Personally I see voting as chosing between the lesser of two evils. I vote democrat.
electricalbananaa 10 months ago
@electricalbananaa honestly, i have a VERY loose trust for government. the two party system does not work. republicans are corporate owned and the dems have no spine, the cave to republicans. i really dont know why i voted for anyone in any elections
TQXPreturns 10 months ago
America is NO MORE A CAPITALIST COUNTRY!!!! In capitalism you don't just cut ... you invest money!!!!! Venture Capitals invest money in challenging projects to get ROI and push the most innovative companies in the market ... AMERICA IS A FUCKING FASCIST CORPORATIST COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE ZERO INVESTMENTS AND TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES. AMERICA IS NOW A THIRD WORD COUNTRY WHERE 400 PEOPLE EARN MORE THAN 200M WHO WORK 60 h/WEEK, WORK 2-3 JOBS, NO HOLIDAYS, OBESE AND ZERO SERVICES AT HIGH PREMIUMS
mrfreedomdemocracy1 10 months ago 96
@mrfreedomdemocracy1
You are wrong. When you say "AMERICA IS A FUCKING FASCIST CORPORATIST COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE ZERO INVESTMENTS" that's incorrect. They invest their money buying polititians; then they get a return of their investment (for ex. like you said, they get tax cuts).
So the system is working as intended (as they intend).
JMFytube 10 months ago 2
You understand that America has been totally fucked up by the Tea Party when a Celine Dion like artist like Pia Toscano is eliminated by American Idol.
America is totally in disarray with positive thinking and rationality since 2009
mrfreedomdemocracy1 10 months ago
Um.... How the fuck can cutting 4 Trillion make the deficit greater? That makes no fucking sense. The deficit would be greater than what it would if we raised the taxes on the rich, but I imagine it would be lower. WHY would it INCREASE the deficit Cenk? The plan is still BS, but conceptually, how?
MrHav1k 10 months ago
@MrHav1k Do you even understand what a deficit is because it sounds like you don't.
His plan is to give away more money than you're cutting from government spending. There's your deficit.
DisturbedHavok 10 months ago
@MrHav1k He is cutting taxes as well as cutting spending, and this extra debt makes things worse in the long term.
dangerouslytalented 10 months ago
Sorry to say this US folk. We love your deranged political system. We always use you as an example of what not to do. It seems your also showing us how a population can become willing surfs. Wow, sacrifice.
baalisgod666 10 months ago
@baalisgod666
Sorry to say this baalisgod666, but as you say many people in other countries see this as an example of what not to do, however polititians aren't among them.
Outside the USA many polititians seem to take this as an example, as a way to get more money into their pockets.
JMFytube 10 months ago
@JMFytube well they try. John Howard "man of steal" was laughed at here. He tried obvious republican tactics, but we saw through it because we saw it all before in the USA. Don't get me wrong. I hope things improve. But sometimes it has to hurt.
baalisgod666 10 months ago
Evidently if you're lower or middle class or a senior then the United States is not your country anymore. It now belongs to Donald Trump, the Koch brothers, and all their pals.
Asher8328 10 months ago 2
This really makes me angty
dblazer321 10 months ago
lol the first African-American president is also the first pussy president. what a legacy
ucdeBZ 10 months ago
Maybe the logic is that if the rich have their taxes lowered to less than everyone elses', they'll actually pay them.
dEdGrimley 10 months ago
@dEdGrimley
That is exactly why rich people are for small government: a small government can't have tax collectors and doesn't throw rich people that evade taxes in jail.
And I mean Koch rich, not Wesley Snipes rich...
karlsantos 10 months ago
@karlsantos
When the government doesn't set society's rules, and business owns the government anyway, business will set society's rules - whether it be whether people are allowed to smoke, or what kind of dress they can have, what they do in their private lives, etc. Not that they don't do some of that now, but when you're dependent on a big corporation to have a job, and thus, provide for yourself and your family, and they can withhold employment, less rules = that happening faster.
dEdGrimley 10 months ago
@karlsantos The Koch brothers could buy and sell Snipes a hundred times over with the taxes they evade.
dangerouslytalented 10 months ago
Paul Ryan is a smart, dumb nigga.
biggydx 10 months ago
When will these rich, hypocritical, over privileged, selfish, cockamamie, bastard, dishonest, snake oil salesmen, elitist republican mother fuckers, fuck off?
thenoobassassin 10 months ago
We have _got_ to love the logic of Trickle Up Economics!
revolutionnot 10 months ago
the way i see it fuck health insurance that stuff is a rip off your better off saving your own money turns health care instead of paying high premiums & then when you actually need it surprise your not covered.
ROBISDISTURBED 10 months ago
@ROBISDISTURBED I spent over $20k on a few tests when i got sick a couple years back, they wanted to keep doing more and more expensive tests because the Doctors couldn't figure it out... Most people could work for 3 lifetimes and not have enough money to pay for 1 illness or injury.
In our country people's illness is a very profitable business. We are the only country in the world that makes massive profits off of our sick, injured handicapped and dieing.
nek0s 10 months ago
@nek0s everything is a big business in America. crimes, drugs, war, death, someone is making a huge profits of the pain of others. welcome to the land of the free & the best country in the world lmfao no wonder we are a joke to the world.
ROBISDISTURBED 10 months ago
@ROBISDISTURBED oh i know ! lol
America is a joke and has been for a very long time. I have said this before, I'm seriously thinking about moving to Brazil. An emerging market, low taxes, free health care and the women... oooh the women !
nek0s 10 months ago
@nek0s You had me at women.
CrackCityRocker1211 10 months ago
I blame the American public. We are too stupid to vote them out of office, thats how we got ourselves into this shit hole.
RationaIAthiest 10 months ago
If Republicans like this keep on having their way and Medicare, Medicade, & SS are cut, then this is not going to have a pretty ending. The Tea Party movement is just a large white, less educated, uninformed, armchair uprising that has a lot more to do with a visceral dislike of the current President than looking for true just economic reform. Most Americans, when the reach retirement age, will depend on SS and Medicare. Cutting the benefits will affect all but the rich. There will be a revolt.
FlatulenceFox 10 months ago
@FlatulenceFox
That's why I am hoping for all this stuff, so a Revolution can begin, history repeats itself again.
pokeyugi13 10 months ago
Is it live or is it memorex? minor correction
linxdeal 10 months ago
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Paul Ryan and the rest of the GOP male ass-clown goons and geezers can not balance the budget. Only Sarah Palin has the power to balance the budget for she has the POWER of GOD HERSELF as HER CHOSEN ONE! This country NEEDS President Palin for 8 years! She will balance the budget in her 1st year and create massive surpluses that will surpass Clinton's in the remainder of her 2 terms!
ecwaufisxtreme 10 months ago
If American vote for these dumb republicans, then they are ignorant.
Can you imagine voting for them. I know super rich people that think there
assholes.
samkurz 10 months ago
Never trust a conservatives!
nativemrv19722 10 months ago
@Kooshkoff The government is corrupt and is being taken over by corporations who want nothing better than to gut the government so that you can stay disorganized and powerless. Enjoy, freak.
j0hnwi11iams 10 months ago
the tax break bringing in revenue makes sense, and worked countless times.
>Corperations arent forced to move overseas to not go bankrupt from ridiculous taxes
>more jobs for people!
>people actually get jobs, make money!
>billions people who couldn't afford to spend money before now can
>resulting in trillians in tax revenue
ZKoftherebellion 10 months ago
@ZKoftherebellion Tax cuts have never worked. A company goes where it can find the resources it needs to conduct business. Republicans are determined to make the US competitive with the third world by gutting education and infrastructure. It an open invitation for companies that exploit people as disposable resources.
j0hnwi11iams 10 months ago
@j0hnwi11iams The resources you talk of (capital) are created by lowering taxes so businesses can afford them.
Jclewell3d 10 months ago
@Jclewell3d find a correlation between supply side economics and a booming economy and you can be the national treasurer.
Andy180084 10 months ago
@j0hnwi11iams >make the us competitive with the third world
Oh yes, those third world countries have it so much better we should be competing with them instead of modernized countries.
Oh wait.
also, protip: Government-mandated Fed controlled education is a policy founded and pioneered by the wonderful people of Hitler and Stalin and has no place in a Democratic society. Have a good day. :)
ZKoftherebellion 10 months ago
@ZKoftherebellion O.o
government mandated education is a fundamental policy of every modernized nation.
Andy180084 10 months ago
@ZKoftherebellion wrong, in fact the exact opposite has happened countless times.
-Calvin Coolidge
-Richard Nixon
-Ronald Reagan
-George W. Bush
Wanna know the primary relationship between those four presidents? All four of them deregulated the economy and lowered taxes to record lows. Wanna know the other relationship? A recession occurred after each of their presidencies, and for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush, a massive deficit followed.
Andy180084 10 months ago
i think they've seen too much old spice, let me quote "the tickets are now diamonds!"
ZeroHammer 10 months ago
Close the government.
Close the government.
Paul Ryan 2012.
bobbytiger 10 months ago
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@bobbytiger
Fuck you.
Fuck you you stupid asshole.
Die in a ditch 2012.
dffykvn 10 months ago
@bobbytiger I thought people like you were only in scary movies.
egeswender 10 months ago
@egeswender
It's about time you knew otherwise.
bobbytiger 10 months ago
@bobbytiger hope you like tainted meat, death trap cars, toll roads as far as the eye can see, the memory of being able to breathe outside, the memory of fishing, etc.
Close the government. Way to go, hoss. You just caused the apocalypse.
egeswender 10 months ago
@egeswender
You been watching way too much MSNBC.
Have another drink of kool-aid.
It's on me.
bobbytiger 10 months ago
@bobbytiger a kool-aid comment. How original. An attack on MSNBC. Never heard that one before.
So what I'm hearing is you have no idea what the government actually does. You just have an idea of some nondescript "bad thing" that you want to go away.
"republicans aren't stupid people, but stupid people are republicans." - Karl Rove
egeswender 10 months ago 2
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acrophobe 10 months ago
It is amazing how stupid greed is. These guys have the country locked up. They can continue to suck all its wealth into their pockets & have accomplish this with brilliant politics (make the working poor love the rich & hate the middle class)
But their greed has blinded them. You destroy these social services & the people will literally be dying in the streets in 30 years. You got us to sit by passively while you loot our pockets. BUT old people dying in the streets will wake the revolution
Hopeful71 10 months ago
History of supply side economics:
Calvin Coolidge: didn't work and when coupled with severe deregulation resulted in recession
Richard Nixon: lowered the tax bracket and resulted in mild recession.
Ronald Reagan: lowered tax rate so severely, that he had to raise it 11 times afterwords. Also left a massive deficit.
George W. Bush: STILL played the supply side con, and resulted in the greatest national deficit and a recession.
Obama: kept Bush tax rates and increased spending. FAIL
Andy180084 10 months ago
@Andy180084 Maybe the problem doesnt lie within raising or lowering taxes(though it does) maybe the problem lies within the those unnecessary federal programs. Privatize public schools, social security etc. and there wont be a need for taxes. And those services will be cheaper for all of us.
eastnygoon138 10 months ago
@eastnygoon138 This is a typical free market myth. What you will get is the very big school corporation who will suck all the money out and provide little in terms of education. It will cost you far more in terms of the costs to society of having a stratified and hardened class system ruled by privileged incompetents.
j0hnwi11iams 10 months ago
@j0hnwi11iams There is evidence behind what I say. Private schools perform better than public schools in terms of grades, class side, teacher attention/quality, actualy school grounds etc. You name it private schools are better at it. And whats crazy is that public school teachers recieve on average 40% in pay more than private schools teachers. Tuition at most private schools is cheaper than the taxes you pay for public schools and would be even cheaper if not for having to compete with public
eastnygoon138 10 months ago
@eastnygoon138 well guess what would happen if the entire public went to private schools? They wouldn't be private anymore, and thousands of private schools would need to be built that would likely set their own testing standards and curriculum. Also, the poorer populace of the nation would be unable to pay for schools.
Andy180084 10 months ago
@Andy180084 They would still be privately owned... New schools would not have to be built if the current ones were brought under private ownership. It would be good if individual schools had their own standards, they would have to compete with one another to set those standards higher and higher(something public schools have struggled with since there inception). There would obviously be cheap schools and expensive schools. Poor people would go to cheap schools, like they do now.
eastnygoon138 10 months ago
@eastnygoon138 The problem is education should be an equaling force, not another nail in the coffin for class disparity. Wealthy people already have so many advantages. Why give them a better K-12 education on top of that?
Rathelm 10 months ago
@Rathelm If you think things are bad now then wait a few years. To paraphrase a quote Cenk often makes from Warren Buffett, "This is class warfare and my side (ie. the rich) are winning." Make no mistake, there is a concerted effort going on by the rich to eliminate the middle class. Public education did a lot to create the middle class in the first place, so it should come as no surprise that it has become a central target of the (R)ich party.
Asher8328 10 months ago
@eastnygoon138 hmmm not a bad idea. Problem is how would changing the schools from public ownership to private ownership change anything? The staff wouldn't change.
Andy180084 10 months ago
@Andy180084 Incentives. There is very little incentive for public sector workers to work harder or do anything different than what they are already doing because they are coddled by the fed/unions. For example, teachers in california make $50,000 a year after retirement on average. That is more than private sector teachers make while actually working in most of the country. And guess who out performs who...
eastnygoon138 10 months ago
@eastnygoon138 They get that much AFTER retirement, mostly because they get paid less during their careers.It is a trade off.
dangerouslytalented 10 months ago
@dangerouslytalented Yes, I said after retirement. So they get paid less than those other teachers around the country? I dont think so
eastnygoon138 10 months ago
@eastnygoon138 $50,000/yr is not great pay at all. The only reason i would consider it decent pay is b/c of the long holidays they get.
Andy180084 10 months ago
@Andy180084 They get $50,000 every year after retirement. Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt that a little higher than the average income for ANYONE working in the US?
eastnygoon138 10 months ago
I think it's time to do a national recall effort. Let's recall all of our congressmen and senators. I also it's time for us on the left to stand up for ourselves. If the tea party wants to show up armed to our protests, let's show up armed too. I am for wrenching our country from the hands of these psychopathic, rich fascists at any cost.
Newenlightenmentnow 10 months ago
Ugh... hulk smash supply side economics!!!
skimaskradio 10 months ago
Paul Ryan needs to take some economics courses. The Laffer curve has basically been discredited. Paul Ryan is a moron.
Newenlightenmentnow 10 months ago
the pessimist side of me wants these stupid GOP laws to pass so all those retarded old people that overwhelmingly voted GOP lose everything. "I want gov't out of my medicare" really? well here you go, you fucking dumbass!
cyclohexane1 10 months ago
@cyclohexane1 I agree. Or maybe we make it so anyone who's tea party doesn't have to pay for social security, but they get no help from the government ever. Oh you're living in a trailer? You can go die. You're eating purina? Bon apetit? Oh you've got cancer? it sucks to be you, take an asprin, shut the fuck up.
Newenlightenmentnow 10 months ago
read my lips: new taxes
hou12396 10 months ago
Just keep it up Washington, just keep doing what your doing and there will be some very, very angry people in the streets.
Boomer1949 10 months ago
Republicans only care about rich people.
ericzum 10 months ago
Why aren't people (voting citizens) launching massive recall efforts against their business-bought-and-paid-for Congress Critters? Either no one is paying attention, or the news media is failing to report the outrage.
LarryGUU 10 months ago
4:27 Cenk is so cute.
Aztek92 10 months ago
Reduce deficit spending with tax cuts......its like paying off your credit cards by quitting your job.
Violent2aShadow 10 months ago 68
This is all I'll say. In any other country there would be massive protests, look at Europe, where the cuts are far more shallow. In any other country the politicians would be afraid to propose these budgets because the people would run them out of the country on a rail. Maybe it's time to be more like France, circa 1789
rjbonacolta 10 months ago 36
@rjbonacolta People voted for this guys! And now they are getting what they asked for. Cut after cut!.
nativemrv19722 10 months ago
@rjbonacolta It's starting, the revolution is coming.
sidd0123 10 months ago
Buy Silver, crash J.P. Morgan.
jag10 10 months ago
Everything about Ryans's bill is anti-middle class. He wants to rid the American people of medicare, but still dummies vote for these people even though it is against their own self-interest.
ThaGenius101 10 months ago
20k is more than 40% of what most people make. Sure, it'll be in 10 years, but still...
godthisisannoying 10 months ago