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  • Read Kollestrom's Terror on the Tube. Then read anonymous Home Office account of 7/7.No contest. Nick wins by a mile! I dare BBC to debate 7/7.live! Let BBC pick 3, eg Sir Norman Bettison (Generation Jihad fame) links to West Yorkshire, Peter Power - miraculous foresight & Tony Blair. Pit these against 3 of Kollestrom's choosing! It's a pity that well paid politicianS & law enforcement practitioners don't possess a fraction of Nick's courage. BBC,I dare you! "PAN"orama, are you listening?

  • The BBC are so clearly not being impartial when they make this kind of stuff. Regardless of your current beliefs in the subject matter - a little research reveals that the BBC tell you what they want you to think. Its not journalism, it's clear propaganda. The conspiracy files is so easily proven as such its a depressing statement on the BBC. Not to be trusted i'm afraid :-(

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  • There are 2 many anomalies surrounding this and 9/11. Too many unanswered questions ...but for me one thing stands out in both cases

    Mohammad Atta's passport found intact in amongst 2 million tons of debris and the London bombers ID found intact , but 67 people were not found intact after the bombs went off, were they ?

  • YET THE MUSLIM LADS PAID TO PARK THERE CARS IN A TRAIN STATIONBEFORE THEY BLEW THERESELVES UP???ONE EVEN ARGUING OVER THE PRICE OF THE RETURN FARE?

  • WTF that footage 'released' clear shows nothing AT ALL! haha pretty boring all this conspiracy stuff

  • In the U.S., arguing on YouTube over clear treasonous conspiracies has been raised to an art form. So much so, that you can spot the disinformationists.

    They will almost -always- say, "I have refuted ALL your points".

    They are not arguing with YOU. They are PERFORMING for others to read. They will flood away valid arguments. They will ignore serious shortcomings of official stories with a shrug, a laugh, and suggesting that their government wouldn't 'kill their own'.

    Know them. IGNORE THEM.

  • @OneVoiceMore If this is a war for your MIND, you simply MUST LEARN TO PICK YOUR BATTLES. One of their best tactics is to simply -waste-your-time-, and to flush you out. But do this. Keep a list of their names. The issue at heart is accountability. Be sure of this: lists are being made of YOUR names.

    The minute you begin to ARGUE, they've won. You won't convince anyone of anything, unless they're honestly ASKING for info. It's easy to spot such people, and be generous to them.

    Drown out liars.

  • nicely spotted. i've found it very interesting indeed how one can re-splice the bbc's doc and show how blatantly lying they are. all one needs to do is watch the thing twice and remember what you saw the first time...

  • Was this programme's content and style within the BBC total balance remit?...or were FOX news contracted to make the conspiracy files series?

  • Did you bother to check the video I listed? It answers every question you asked.

    You say where? I say here. You do not look and repeat the question where?

    You are either a total idiot, a troll, or a disinformation agent.

    For the honestly curious who would like answers try this:

    youtube(dot)com/watch?v=h9dCbv­WSMUk

  • @rockermanmatt the bombs were military grade the al-qaida message was traced back to Texas the mastermind was an MI5 agent Kahn worked for British Intelligence the London Undergound was being run by an ex-CIA man Khan's I.D. found at three bomb sites: Check out Youtube "Ludicrous Diversion Part 1/4" at about the 4:50 mark watch?v=h9dCbvWSMUk You explained all this? Sorry I must have missed something somewhere.
  • @rockermanmatt

    I will pause until you finish explaining all the other points I have brought up in my last seven posts.

  • On July 2005, Superintendent Chaboud, chief of French anti-terrorism Coordination Unit who was in London assisting Scotland Yard with its investigation, confirmed to the Times that "the nature of the explosives appears to be military, which is very worrying... the materials used were not homemade but sophisticated military explosives..."

    You have no questions? You see nothing suspicious? You accept all these 'coincidences'?

    You are either an idiot or a misinformation agent

  • The mystery of who was behind the attacks was resolved very quickly when an al-Qaida message was received claiming responsibility.

    But......strange..............­the message was traced back to a web site in Texas. Texas?

    Not Iran or Iraq? Nope, Texas. But then hell, everyone knows Texas is a major al-Qaida stronghold.

    Boys got sloppy on this one.

  • Check out same video at 5:40 mark to learn about Harem Aswat (sp?) reported to be the mastermind behind the plot but who the FBI report they were told to back off from when planning to arrest him in Seattle because HE WAS AN M15 AGENT !!!!

  • Identification for Mohammad Sidique Khan was found at a bomb site. That meant he was there and probably the bomber. But his I.D. was found at a second bomb site. Does that mean he was also there and probably the bomber. And then at a third bomb site. Did Khan blow himself up at three different places. At best it means that two I.D.'s establish nothing. Why then should any?

    Check out Youtube

    "Ludicrous Diversion Part 1/4" at about the 4:50 mark

    watch?v=h9dCbvWSMUk

  • Bob Kiley who was runing the London Underground is an American and former employee of the CIA where he was 'Manager of Intelligence Operations'.

    Coincidence? Lots of CIA employees quit their job to work on the London Underground?

  • Charles Shoebridge a 12-year veteran detective of the London Metropolitan Police and graduate of the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst told the BBC that from the evidence it was a real possibility that Mohammad Sidique Khan was working for British Intelligence

  • @rockermanmatt

    Maybe you should do your homework then before you speak.

    "a SMALL training thing with a few people".....Mr Power said those "few" people numbered over a thousand

    "one of the scenarios was like 7/7"...... like 7/7? like? It was 7/7. It was bombs going off THE EXACT SAME DAY at THE EXACT SAME TIME in the EXACT SAME STATIONS. What the hell do you mean "like" 7/7? It was 7/7 and done so that should the real perps get stopped they could claim they were part of the exercise.

    u r naive

  • @rockermanmatt

    You missed the point. I have a life. I can live it quite happily if you continue to live yours buying into this nonsense. So please, continue. I have no interest in seeing the planted evidence, the government spin, the propaganda you will try to pass on to me. You believe it. It makes you happy. I don't want to change you.

    Prove something?

    Start with the 1 in 1 quintillion odds of the event and practice occurring at the same time.

    Pathetically gullible

  • Respond to this video...

    And what are the odds that they would be practicing the EXACT SAME terror attack in the EXACT SAME PLACES on the EXACT SAME DAY and even the EXACT SAME TIME?

    I think the odds turned out to be 1 in a number followed by 40 zeros.

    Why are there not THOUSANDS of pics of these people?

    What are the odds that the one bus rerouted (coincidence) had a busted camera. The one camera that could have resolved all this. Coincidence.

    Believe it if it helps you sleep.

  • @rockermanmatt

    The accounts I read tell how none of these boys were religious extremist. One was even used by the local police to help resolve local gang issues.

    How did the ID from one of them show up at 3 different bomb sites?

    Why did suicide bombers buy return tickets?

    How reliable are suicide letters the gov't produces A YEAR LATER?

    Why do the witness not remember any arabs or back packs?

    Why are the floors blown up and not down?

  • @rockermanmatt

    Can't find a date on that video you sent. And the quality is piss poor enough that those four could be anybody.

  • @rockermanmatt

    So where is his error? He says the bombers were not even there. And. Perhaps this is proof someone else set those bombs off. I still don't see what error you are referring to.

    The BBC shows him footage of the bombers there? Perhaps they should show the rest of the world. I am unaware any such photos exist. Please provide a source. I thought the Israeli company who provided the CCTV service claimed all relevant cameras were not working. Where are these photos?

  • @rockermanmatt

    For a minute I thought you were going to try the common debunker trick of changing the subject.

    This video is not about the mythical holocaust

    So what was the error in his 7/7 video?

    May I assume that you believe that every single CCTV camera (run by an Israeli company) that could have provided proof of what happened, just happen to be not operating including those on the bus and viewing the square where the bus was, is really just a coincidence?

    Pathetically gullible aren't you?

  • @rockermanmatt

    You said

    "He is obviously a mental case" and implied this was due to his rejecting the holocaust myth.

    I ask what part of the myth must one reject to be labeled a mental case?

    The number of dead?

    The manner of their deaths?

    Or does rejecting any part of the 'official story' qualify you as 'looney'?

    OK, so he does not accept the 'official' holocaust story. Does that mean the facts he presents about 7/7 are not correct?

    Then why not just point out the errors he makes?

    Troll

  • @rockermanmatt

    Are you so uninformed that you believe all Holocaust debunkers challenge ALL the details?

    There are some who just challenge the 6 million number

    There are some upset that it is called a Jewish holocaust despite the numbers of non-jews who died

    There are some who question the manner of death

    To simply label any with questions as a 'looney' says more about you than them

  • To suggest that I should discredit EVERYTHING this man says because he does not toe the line on the official zionist version of the holocaust makes it obvious who is behind the production of this film.

    Why am I not surprised they insist I accept Muslims as the terrorists?

  • The BBC here showed Kollerstrom ONE solitary blurry image of the alleged bombers in London 7/7, this FINALLY surfaced several years after the fact, what is legally known as 'guilty demeanour' There should have been literally hundreds of CCTV films recording the alleged bombers along their route 7/7/05. This film out-trumped 911Conspiracy files for trashy telly.

  • after watchng these programs i switched off my TV for good. you re welcome to it!!

  • Of course Khan is reading from a script, it's his last statement before he died! He's not going to wing it & improvise, is he? Really quite an insubstantial thing to point out

  • @handofsutekh he thought it was part of the mock exercise u dork - they were setup

  • Yeah the BBC took two fools & used them to discredit the whole truth movement. All people want is a real investigation into the events of 9/11 & 7/7. What's with defaming people who have easily debunked arguments? There are many people & there are many questions that will never be allowed on the BBC. They are a pro war propaganda machine. They have to toe the party line or lose their license franchise. The BBC was once the pride of Britain, now it's a bunch of lying traitors, guilty of treason.

  • @SupergirlFlyer Agree

  • The BBC knew they were only interviewing the most "suspect" defenders of the 77 ripple effect. They _knew_ they were interviewing a holocaust denier and they did so deliberately to be able to shoot the messenger, perform ad hominem, discredit the message by default, by attacking the messenger.

  • Nick Kollerstrom is not a Holocaust denier. He challenges the use of cyanide in 'gas chambers' with the chemical evidence provided by Rudolf and Leuchter.

    Search YouTube "Nick Kollerstrom - I am not a holocaust denier".

  • Nick Kollerstrom is not a holocaust denier. He challenges the use of cyanide in gas chambers using the combined chemical evidence collected by Rudolf and Leuchter.

  • an average journey through London gets you filmed by roughly a thousand cctv cameras. a 1000. a THOUSAND. and there are, whet? For pictures of the bombers? 4 pictures. four. FOUR pictures of the "bombers". 4. FOUR. What are the deniers? twits? morons? blithering idiots? take your pick. jeez...

  • oh please we all know the film is of the practice run there would be loads of film of them if it were true where is the film of hundreds of cameras. discrediting this bloke is standard practice

  • No he never argued they were never there at all....By the way, CCTV in london does not have any time or date stamp visible...So they might have been there, but I don't think in time to be on the trains that blew up....BBC why can't you get your facts straight.. we know how sloppy youare when reporting don't we? remember WTC 7...Opps

  • 7:46.. They must think we're stupid! I didn't notice that before.. Even if we give Them the benefit of the doubt and say it's GMT time i.e. minus 1 hour from BST, it's still not ten minutes to anything!!

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  • Point well made.

  • 'There's something you don't know about Nick Kollestram'.....(and cue the spooky, terror-music...)

    Classic technique - tie-in the questioning of 7/7 and 9/11 to Holocaust denial, or theories about Jews being warned in advance. The indoctrinated sheep make the connection, remember Shindler's List and go into lockdown - thus in future shor-circuiting whenever someone questions the official lie.

    --yawn---

    So fecking obvious. Come on BBC/MI5 - DO try harder!

  • 1966BOBBY - terrific point.

    I remember the BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 well before it fell. Media fakery much?

    All media is now a vast, complicit war weapon, used for mass disinfo and opinion/thought control.

  • Yup, spot-on nameofthepen -

    but I guess on the plus side - there's been such a vast sharing of information via the internet (bypassing the media gatekeepers) that they (like politicians) are now in perpetual response mode. -Trying desperately to stamp out all these bush fires.

    These shite debunking programs used to rile me, now they just make me laugh at their obviousness.

  • 1966BOBBY - Do you think this could be another (*related*) reason why the BBC inserted those famous buzz-words, "holocaust denier"?

    watch?v=tVDCzymSTw8&fmt=18

  • so why'd you go on youtube if all media is like what you have said

  • anominos - perhaps for people like you, I should have pedantically said, "all media EXCEPT THE INTERNET".

    But I didn't, because in 9 years of being on the net, no one but you has ever pretended to believe I was including the internet in my blanket condemnation of "the media".

  • don't try and demonize me using ''people like you'' as one..! (remember I'm not your enemy)

    try your derogatory comments somewhere else..

    by using the term ''all media'' it can include all forms of media..you want to make points on your topics then be relevant and accurate...

  • Yes, SIR!

    Boy, I think I should just pull down my channel and run!

    I've been told off by the best of them now. :-/

    Not.

  • sure pull down your channel and run doesn't bother me..(though i haven't mentioned anything about your channel)

    never once quoted i was ''the best of them'' and what them implies I'm not sure another pathetic derogatory comment...

  • I was being sarcastic. Would never change even one comma on it for someone like you.

    Please go bother someone else. I stand by what I said - and meant. You are pedantic and tedious in the extreme. Good bye.

  • hey your the one who was bothered by my first comment back...

    there you go again using the terms ''like you'' and '' the best of them'' you don't know me so don't judge my whole character on a few comments

    yeah i can be tedious because your fucking not accurate with your term ''all media'' and yes i was being a bit pedantic but not in the way your trying you perceive..

  • "The media" includes the internet, you pompous fool

  • @handofsutekh - and happy holidays to you too, you charmer. ;-)

  • haha fair point, have a good one friend. But remember... it does include the internet XD

  • I think the BBC have given up trying to change our minds. This documentry is a vaccine. It looks like the real conspiricy theory so people have to start thinking but then it sows the seed of it's own distruction. Thereby people learn how to fight the conspiricy theory.

  • So a move by a guy who could or could not be reading from a script, or even the fact that a martyrdom video wouldn't merit a script and a daylight saving time are now evidence of an 1h video being a con?

    Give me a break :)

  • Why did'nt the BBC simply do a reconstruction using the actual time table, (showing the cancelations) on the day? This would have shown that it was impossible for the men to have caught those trains..end of story.

  • Very good point. Why also didnt the BBC mention the fact that in previous 'terrorist' bombings on British soil, the police had framed some innocent Irish men and women and in conspiracy with the entire judiciary sent these people off to rot and be tortured in the British penal system for nearly 2 decades.

    Instead we got this load of crap and slander.

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  • The quality of the CCTV footage at 0:33 is appaling. Today's cheapest video-cellphones have far better resolution than that.

    I suggest Londoners set up a donation fund in favour of the City of London to upgrade their CCTV cameras to modern standards.

    From a London gov uk website :

    "In 2006, the technology behind 21st Centurys industry leading ProGuard CCTV system was given the prestigious Queens Award for Enterprise."

    Someone should buy the Queen a new pair of spectacles.

  • Even if he was reading from something, what would that prove? That he had written down what he intended to say?

    I am forgetting, of course - when people read from notes, it's always NWO International Banking Elite Jew conspiracy notes! Aha!

    Conspiracy troofers are such incurable morons.

  • maybe coz hes bn told what to say!! to keep you fearing those guys who eh, dont exist! the al-quieda! arrrggghhh they're coming, well lets watch the news for updates! lol braindead suckaz!!!

  • So, the bomb exploded an hour early? Maybe it was daylight savings time.

  • In those few images of the "airplane" hitting the Pentagon it said September 12. All of these cameras are having problems on 7/7. London has millions of cameras but time and again we see cameras mysteriously failing. There are so many strange things that happened that day.

  • But it was another 10 minutes early even bringing DS time lol

  • OOH!

    The JIDF jokers/state slime-drippers were on this video quick eh 9/11 archive?

    You must be under tabs like me LOL

  • reading from script? he reads 'the gardens of paradise' then looks down so that doesn't suggest a script.

  • It's typical of those who defend the official conspiracy theory of Muslims acting alone to go off topic and try to discredit truthers personally rather than challenging the merits of their arguments.

    And these people who created this 7/7 program do a pretty good job of that. This truly is a hit piece. And how in the world is the Holocaust relevent to the merits of the arguments presented by 7/7 truthers?

  • so obviously u dont know bout the secret weapons deals wit the nazis and IBM ! or the fact that G. Bush jnrs grandad was an SS officer! or are u old enuf to remember that hitlers personal finacial adviser thyssun krupt had ties wit american and british bankers, he also had massive funds in american banks! thats why its relevant, coz its the same gvt runnig shit! different poli-trikians, different parties, same eyediology!! a one world gvt! the NWO!!

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