@Gypsoph Not anymore, Glufstream 650 set the record a week ago. Traveling at FL it was recorded 0.925 Mach. Citation X is .92, not that big of a difference, but it is what it is. I would still love to fly either aircraft
with jet engine it may have something to do with if your not rolling, the differential pressure between inlet / exhaust doesn't change much until you get some knots under your belt anyway as the ram air pressure in the duct plays a big part in the compression. In prop aircraft I do full power on the brakes all the time! =) Surely it would be of advantage in a jet also though by some degree.
The C560 and C560 Ultra have a lot of power (about 2 x 3500 lbs on MSL ISA). Having an empty aircraft with little fuel, you may get an TO weight of around 10000 lbs. When doing a static take off with an C560 Ultra around this weight, you can crash the glasses in the galley. The shortest TO of an Ultra i have witnessed is around 1200 feet. Landing below 2700 feet is a hassle.
true, slowing this plane down on a runway and in air is really hard as these babies acquire too much of an airspeed upon a little trickle on the throttle, i fee landing uponl it really hard when i am upon a visual approach on a short runway. Anyways, but i love the ultra better than the standard C560
no balanced field length is a performance number where the take-off distance equals the abort distance. T/o lengths aren't waived for part 91. The citation can get up and go in under 3000 feet if the conditions are right.
Balanced field is where the V1 distance plus the accelerated stop distance is less than the field length. Balanced field is required for 135 but not 91. I suspect that if this guy had a V1 cut he'd have been in the weeds. But then again, you have to live life; I'd probably have done it part 91.
you dont understand what "balanced field length" is....it isnt a requirement at all.
Jet have to comply with 2nd segment and runway requiremts regardless if 91,135. Balanced field length is where accel/stop and accel/go are the same distance, that is a performance number that dont change. It means the distance to accel to v1 and stop....is the same as accel to v1 and GO, the result of those two values is a runway distance. That is balanced field length. Any questions?
I am not talking about the performance figures iam talking about the requirements between part 91 and part135 operations. Runway requirements are established by the balanced field length depending upon weight, OAT, winds and altitude of the field msl. Legaly you can operate a jet below the balanced field length requirements under part 91 but not 135 even though the jet can get off the ground with a much shorter runway. Also balanced field length is just accel to v1 then complete stop.
@RobertGary1 don't u mean where "accelerated stop distance is EQUAL to the field length". Balanced field is TODA(TODR) = ASDA(ASDR). The idea is that if you have to reject exactly at V1 you will stop exactly at the end of the runway. It's this concept that makes reduced thrust takeoffs safe. Anything after V1 you're getting airborne for it.
Landing a jet on that sidewalk would be hard enough, but taking off on a 2,200' runway seems almost impossible. Those jets can land in easily less than 1,000 feet. Taking off poses a bigger challenge.
It might have been a good day for take off that day. I don't know about the altitude of the airport, but they might have had low humidity, high pressure, low temperature and a head wind when that airplane took off.
the smaller lighter citation bravo needs 2500 feet to safely takeoff on a standard day, sea level @ 10,500 lbs, plus it needs 2300 feet to land with those conditions.
We used to go in and out of Peter O'Knight (TPF - Tampa, FL) with a Citation II on weekly basis. For the return to White Plains (HPN) we'd have to wait till 1900-or-so for t/o (heat), and then we could carry just enough fuel to make it back plus legal reserves with only two passengers in the back. We'd climb to FL410 or 430, and the P&Ws were just sipping 420lbs/side. Greatest aircraft I ever flew - there is little you could not do with it. BEST time of my life!
The citation can do it no problem! Most likely the aircraft had only 2 souls onboard and about 1 or 2 hours fuel in the tanks- minimal weight! with the aircraft setup for short field takeoff I'll be willing to bet rotation could be achieved in as little as 1500 feet!
I would like to modify a Cessna Citation or any small business jet for Aircraft Carrier operations. You think it could be possible with extreme modifications? It would be similar to landing a Piper Cub or Aviat Husky on the top of a modified camper, truck or school bus going down the runway like in Microsoft Flight Simulator.
lol the pilots probably thinking "damn im such a badass" as he is taking off xD
captainsmartass123 4 months ago
What airport is this?
Aviationsim4862 10 months ago
Hold them brakes and spool'em up.
beaman220 11 months ago 3
M .995 for the G650 !
ericthepilot 1 year ago
so where is this strip, why the secrecy
Ozgrade3 1 year ago
Id love to have seen the landing
Anrboy 1 year ago 25
@Anrboy It's on my channel, sort of. There's a hump on the runway so you can't see the wheels hit the ground per se.
wazzu90FIJI 1 year ago
I flew on one this past week...they sure have the giddy up and go! Good flying airplane!
jt8fan7272 1 year ago
this is CRAZY! haha very nice!
gekopvlieguigen 2 years ago
When you own a slowtation, you have to pedal as hard as you can.
golfer6716 2 years ago
I assume you're not referring to Cessna's Citation X...it's only the fastest non-military aircraft on Earth currently in production!
Gypsoph 2 years ago 23
@Gypsoph Not anymore, Glufstream 650 set the record a week ago. Traveling at FL it was recorded 0.925 Mach. Citation X is .92, not that big of a difference, but it is what it is. I would still love to fly either aircraft
saltyflapjacks 1 year ago
@golfer6716 it may not be the best jet ever, but tell us what you have then?
cloudbook1994 2 years ago
@golfer6716 lol awesome... it's also known as a crustation
TheProPilot 2 years ago
I agree golfer6716, slowtation!! Except the X, still kinda cheapy though.
pelagic6 1 year ago
Where was this in?
TrainSounds 2 years ago
Don't know but would guess from the scenery that its a private community at around 4,000ft called Mountain Air in North Carolina.
008jules 2 years ago
GRAMMAR!!!
Where this was at?
HHAAA!! :)
mahnarch 2 years ago
Damn! That Cessna was doing work!
usmeagle91 2 years ago
It is Lopez Island, Washington You can here the pilot say "delta delta Lopez Island" right at the end.
Raacon101 2 years ago 2
Not Lopez.
wazzu90FIJI 2 years ago
@wazzu90FIJI It is Lopez. I've been in and out of that airport before.
SenorSpode 2 months ago
@SenorSpode I shot the video and it's not Lopez. :)
wazzu90FIJI 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos 2
with jet engine it may have something to do with if your not rolling, the differential pressure between inlet / exhaust doesn't change much until you get some knots under your belt anyway as the ram air pressure in the duct plays a big part in the compression. In prop aircraft I do full power on the brakes all the time! =) Surely it would be of advantage in a jet also though by some degree.
ksa5223 2 years ago
you will accelerate at the same speed with a static takeoff or a normal throttle up takeoff.
verobeach0 2 years ago 2
Breaks release TO's rock!!
henri1389 2 years ago
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rockyPants4000 2 years ago
mountain air?
plane45036 2 years ago
It's not 2NCO or Turtle Island. It's somewhere is NC.
verobeach0 2 years ago
LOL He had room to spare guy's.Geez.
medicinecloset 2 years ago
The C560 and C560 Ultra have a lot of power (about 2 x 3500 lbs on MSL ISA). Having an empty aircraft with little fuel, you may get an TO weight of around 10000 lbs. When doing a static take off with an C560 Ultra around this weight, you can crash the glasses in the galley. The shortest TO of an Ultra i have witnessed is around 1200 feet. Landing below 2700 feet is a hassle.
easydialog 2 years ago
true, slowing this plane down on a runway and in air is really hard as these babies acquire too much of an airspeed upon a little trickle on the throttle, i fee landing uponl it really hard when i am upon a visual approach on a short runway. Anyways, but i love the ultra better than the standard C560
zulquarnainanwar 2 years ago
Forget the take off.
That means he had to land there. I want to see that one.
33hartz 2 years ago 2
well it is in the states ,the give away is the flag on the lodge
flyyouindotcom 2 years ago
Where do you see the flag?
wazzu90FIJI 2 years ago
right at the end of the cilp where it pans to the lodge
flyyouindotcom 2 years ago
Oh yeah that flag. Not to mention the people who are obviously American standing around.
wazzu90FIJI 2 years ago
LOLL brilliant I like your tag loll
flyyouindotcom 2 years ago
Looks like 2NCO
digitalfxstudios 2 years ago
Turtle Island [TTL]
AllHailGinger 2 years ago
Not a turbine pilot...
Arent turbojet takeoff distances given in balanced field lengths? Are those lengths waived for part 91 to takeoff run only?
dfwfly 2 years ago
no balanced field length is a performance number where the take-off distance equals the abort distance. T/o lengths aren't waived for part 91. The citation can get up and go in under 3000 feet if the conditions are right.
beergut111 2 years ago
Balanced field is where the V1 distance plus the accelerated stop distance is less than the field length. Balanced field is required for 135 but not 91. I suspect that if this guy had a V1 cut he'd have been in the weeds. But then again, you have to live life; I'd probably have done it part 91.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
No weeds except maybe Seaweed ;-)
wazzu90FIJI 2 years ago
Your right part 91 your own plane nothing in front to damage or kill go for it. Never as part 135 you would be insane.
kingair81r 2 years ago
in a jet you have to have it, in a prop you dont. Jets have to have the performance regardless of what part you operate under.
beergut111 2 years ago
Jets have way more power and performance than prop planes I was talking legality you dont have to comply with balanced field length requirements.
kingair81r 2 years ago
you dont understand what "balanced field length" is....it isnt a requirement at all.
Jet have to comply with 2nd segment and runway requiremts regardless if 91,135. Balanced field length is where accel/stop and accel/go are the same distance, that is a performance number that dont change. It means the distance to accel to v1 and stop....is the same as accel to v1 and GO, the result of those two values is a runway distance. That is balanced field length. Any questions?
beergut111 2 years ago
I am not talking about the performance figures iam talking about the requirements between part 91 and part135 operations. Runway requirements are established by the balanced field length depending upon weight, OAT, winds and altitude of the field msl. Legaly you can operate a jet below the balanced field length requirements under part 91 but not 135 even though the jet can get off the ground with a much shorter runway. Also balanced field length is just accel to v1 then complete stop.
kingair81r 2 years ago
whatever you say......jets are certified diffrently than a king air....you seem to have them all confused.
let me know and ill help you out.
cya
beergut111 2 years ago
I think we both mean the same thing just wording it differently no biggie have a good one
kingair81r 2 years ago
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beergut111 2 years ago
@RobertGary1 don't u mean where "accelerated stop distance is EQUAL to the field length". Balanced field is TODA(TODR) = ASDA(ASDR). The idea is that if you have to reject exactly at V1 you will stop exactly at the end of the runway. It's this concept that makes reduced thrust takeoffs safe. Anything after V1 you're getting airborne for it.
dbgizzy 1 year ago
Short field take off - def. a private strip
pocopilot 2 years ago
Do we win something if we guess the airport?
zyrack 3 years ago
No! The location is intentionally not listed.
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
we got about 70 560's.....i wont post any s/n's for security reasons.
beergut111 3 years ago
LOL - Y'all won't land here!
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
not part 135 anyway.....but obviously you can land there....unless this is where they built the plane....lol
beergut111 3 years ago
hmmmm net jets?
izanti 2 years ago
I said I can't say.
beergut111 2 years ago
so whats the big deal about this video?.....it can be done, i've done it.
beergut111 3 years ago
Post a video.
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
i can't...kionda hard to do when im flying the plane.....
beergut111 3 years ago
Put it on the glare shield or have you pax hold it. ;-)
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
why?.....I know what it looks like.
beergut111 3 years ago
What's your s/n?
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
Decatur WA
ryanmlt1 3 years ago
Strike two. ;-)
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
WA09 Roche Island Airport San Juan Islands WA USA
ryanmlt1 3 years ago
Nope. Good guess, thanks for playing.
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
watch?v=CCmcVFt8Y7c
GreekDestination 3 years ago
haha "busting out" sounds kick ass!
johnayerger13 3 years ago 2
Landing a jet on that sidewalk would be hard enough, but taking off on a 2,200' runway seems almost impossible. Those jets can land in easily less than 1,000 feet. Taking off poses a bigger challenge.
ga8pilot 3 years ago
2,200 X 40? he definitely had that throttle past 100%. nice. landing it there was the hard part. lol
b101aa2 3 years ago
2200ft long and 40ft wide
keeevan 3 years ago
Takes longer to takeoff then land usually. Reason why many pilots land and cannot takeoff later.
micaoct 3 years ago
y does it make tht noise
rockcity94 3 years ago
what is the length of this strip????
oriondelta83 3 years ago
2,200 x 40 feet
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
Was it my imagination or did I see 10 degrees of flaps?
w5cdt 3 years ago
15 degrees
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
that was cool. where was this at?
pacheco307 3 years ago
I'm not really surprised at the takeoff but how the hell did he land that aircraft on that strip in the first place ??
k4mik4ze84 3 years ago
Where was this at? It looks like a place I know in North Carolina.
JetsetUnited 3 years ago
daaamn!! that was nice!! =)
Hellracer1 3 years ago
this is what to the Citation was ment to do. Go Cessna!!
6V92TA 3 years ago
Damn... I love Citations.. always have.
St1ffM1st3r 3 years ago
It might have been a good day for take off that day. I don't know about the altitude of the airport, but they might have had low humidity, high pressure, low temperature and a head wind when that airplane took off.
dabambz 3 years ago
Alt = 0
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
BRAVO !!!!
maksymolejniczak 3 years ago
Dziękuję
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
I take your word on it. I flew a U boat and that is one good airplane, you guys are still crazy!
undwan 3 years ago
are you sure it wasnt a 3200 foot runway, how
the smaller lighter citation bravo needs 2500 feet to safely takeoff on a standard day, sea level @ 10,500 lbs, plus it needs 2300 feet to land with those conditions.
im callin BS on the 2200' runway
undwan 3 years ago
Check your email. :)
wazzu90FIJI 3 years ago
Could you please tell me what airport is this?
trodmi 3 years ago
now that is cool
cjthse 3 years ago
awesome video. I am warm to Cessna's now. Small isnt a bad thing compared to my fav Challenger 605 ;)
v12kid 3 years ago
I'd like to know what airport that is as well. Looks like a nice place.
TRS717 3 years ago
what airport is that?
dougapepper 3 years ago
We used to go in and out of Peter O'Knight (TPF - Tampa, FL) with a Citation II on weekly basis. For the return to White Plains (HPN) we'd have to wait till 1900-or-so for t/o (heat), and then we could carry just enough fuel to make it back plus legal reserves with only two passengers in the back. We'd climb to FL410 or 430, and the P&Ws were just sipping 420lbs/side. Greatest aircraft I ever flew - there is little you could not do with it. BEST time of my life!
manwinkler 3 years ago
noise of the turbine are music for me.!
USSCessna 3 years ago 2
Easy to get a good take-off on a downhill run.
emtgregg 3 years ago
where is this airport???
motox0069 3 years ago
Gotta love a Citation going in and out of Greater Riff-Raff International and Podunk Municipal airport.
lowflyingcessna 3 years ago 5
Not bad for a slowtation
Nick01Z28 4 years ago 2
The citation can do it no problem! Most likely the aircraft had only 2 souls onboard and about 1 or 2 hours fuel in the tanks- minimal weight! with the aircraft setup for short field takeoff I'll be willing to bet rotation could be achieved in as little as 1500 feet!
katana1150 4 years ago
Seats/cargo were full. But you're right about fuel.
wazzu90FIJI 4 years ago
wtf--a deer could run across the rwy
thehalfvolley 4 years ago
I hit a deer on a runway one time. That was awesome by the way.
sajgracer1 4 years ago
I would like to modify a Cessna Citation or any small business jet for Aircraft Carrier operations. You think it could be possible with extreme modifications? It would be similar to landing a Piper Cub or Aviat Husky on the top of a modified camper, truck or school bus going down the runway like in Microsoft Flight Simulator.
autoreboot 4 years ago
I think he woke up all the campers. lol..
smokingws6 4 years ago
Somebody give them a "vapor catapult" !!!
Not your regular takeoff...
Meirele 4 years ago
I'd love to do that.
jmr604 4 years ago
balls are deffinatly not in short supply there!
kc135delta 4 years ago
lmao. Your right. No room for error there.
fxdwings 4 years ago
yeah ill second that WOW.
baggedz71 4 years ago
Needs more cowbell!
jmaugham 4 years ago
.<b>Love that sound of the engines spooling up on take off and the "hum" as it passes. Great video!
BeechSundowner 4 years ago