Look, I think it's cute that you've got a little crush on me, but I was born with an attraction for women, not men. I know it's hard when someone you love doesn't love you back, but please, there are lots of gay men out there waiting for you. I'm just not into men, sorry.
People can love people. In my mind there are 2 types of gay people. People that have to tell you there gay, and then people that are so flamboyant that they irritate us. But personally, people dont irritate me that are gay, and i dont care who they marry. Its the wicked flamboyant people that drive me crazy
"Marriage is a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship. It is an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged in a variety of ways, depending on the culture or subculture in which it is found. Such a union, often formalized via a wedding ceremony, may also be called matrimony."
"State Constitutions that speak stronger on a topic TRUMPS the federal Constitution by Supreme Court standings."
Actually this is incorrect. The only way that a State Constitution can trump the Federal Gov't is and only if there is nothing pertaining to the issue that have a fair and legal standing at the federal level, such as marriage laws. But, this case does have a pertinence on gay marriage in relation to the 14th Amendment.
Sorry man but you're wrong. Marriage predates Christianity and the Bible by over 2000 years. Other cultures had forms of marriage much before Christianity ever came into existence.
And I know this is an old subject, but are you aware that my views on gay marriage happen to be exactly the same as your hero and president Barack Obama?
So you're a moderate on the issue. Or in other words don't have a stance, because contrary to popular Republican belief Obama is a moderate on the issue.
If you actually believe that 6 billion Bibles were sold you must be out of your mind. First of all Bibles are free, you can get them anywhere that has a Church under the sect of Christianity. And secondly look at the charts and see who is credited as the #1 selling book ever.
@Einsteinbomb so now Christianity is a sect? geez.... Churches don't usually just give bibles free, unless it's for a specific event, although there are organizations that do. At any rate, The number your talking about is around 7.5 billion, but 6 billion have been SOLD. If you don't like that number then I open to hear another, but you haven't given any. Please tell me you don't actually believe the "tale of two cities" has sold more copies than the Bible.
I thought I made it pretty clear when I said that "a Church under the sect of Christianity" by which it's a sect of Christianity. Well I guess not then: sects under Christianity.
And yes I stated this before and will once again: the Tale of Two Cities is the best selling book ever. The Bible figures are not accounted for and they're not sold, but merely donated. Like I told you before they are free as I can go to a local Catholic Church and they have tons of free Bibles.
It's not my fault you couldn't understand the simple notion that Christianity has sects under it. And, go ahead and keep buying Bibles as you so plainly but it, but we both know it's bull and you didn't really buy one. And as for people who actually buy one, they're the stupidest people for buying a book offered free at any Church of Jesus Christ. LOL.
And FYI the Bible is not the most sold book, maybe the most printed but definitely not the best selling book.
Wow, good rebuttal. that's pathetic. You actually believe I just made that up? it was a paper-back NASB for $1.99 at Mardels. I bought it using a $30 gift card.
And as for people who actually buy one, they're the stupidest people for buying a book offered free at any Church..."
People aren't stupid because they rather buy a Bible of there choosing rather than asking for a free one like a bum and ending up with whatever they happen to be given.
"Wow, good rebuttal. that's pathetic. You actually believe I just made that up? it was a paper-back NASB for $1.99 at Mardels. I bought it using a $30 gift card."
Yeah sure and as a good Christian boy you had no idea that they're free at any local Church of Christ.
"People aren't stupid because they rather buy a Bible of there choosing rather than asking ....."
Hahahaha there is a free box full of them that are for everyone at many churches. They can't give them away. LOL.
@Einsteinbomb "Hahahaha there is a free box full of them that are for everyone at many churches. They can't give them away. LOL."
completely missed my point. From talking to you, I doubt you go to church, thus I doubt you really know what your talking about when you say things like that.
"the American Literature Association as well as book charts from NY Time and Wall Street Journal place Charles Dickens book #1 sold."
And where do the rank the bible?Oh wait they don't account for it do they.
"And where do the rank the bible?Oh wait they don't account for it do they."
They don't rank it because although it's vastly printed it's not purchased. And please next time you attend a Sunday Mass I'd suggest you look at donation boxes and you'll see many free Bible donated to anyone who wants to listen to the Gospel. BTW don't even get me started on those people that try to convert you and give you all the free Bible and accessories in an attempt to have you join their church.
"It's clear you don't know what Christianity is so quit commenting on it."
Maybe you need a reality check because it's obvious you have no idea what you talking about and you still think Christianity is a religion. I'd suggest you'd get help but you probably wouldn't be willing to get a psych evaluation.
Wow, good rebuttal. that's pathetic. You actually believe I just made that up? it was a paper-back NASB for $1.99 at Mardels. I bought it using a $30 gift card.
And as for people who actually buy one, they're the stupidest people for buying a book offered free at any Church..."
People aren't stupid because they'd rather buy a Bible of there choosing rather than asking for a free one like a bum and ending up with whatever they happen to be given.
@Einsteinbomb "you still think Christianity is a religion"
And you still think it's a group of religions/group of sects/denomination/sect.
aka you don't know what it is so let me tell you again.
Christianity Chris*tian"i*ty, n. 1. The religion of Christians; the system of doctrines and precepts taught by Christ. [1913 Webster]
I already told you this. You can't just keep making unsupported claims. If your say that the Bible isn't the world's best seller than provide a source that says so.
the Christian religions, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.
a particular Christian religious system.
the practices of the teachings of Christian value and beliefs.
Seems pretty clear it's a group here. And FYI the American Literature Association as well as book charts from NY Time and Wall Street Journal place Charles Dickens book #1 sold.
@Einsteinbomb "...including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches."
Oh so Christianity DOES include Catholics, which would make it much larger than Islam. Well at least we cleared something up from that inferior definition.
The problem is, me, being unbiased, looked up the definition and used the first on on the list. Notice the number 1 beside mine. I'm sure the Webster's definition trumps this one, which doesn't have a source at all. How long to you have to look for this??
"Oh so Christianity DOES include Catholics, which would make it much larger than Islam."
Yes it does include Catholics but it's not a religion it's a group of them. As it also has Mormons and Protestants as well. But, once again you're not able to distinguish the difference between the actual Christian Religion and Christianity. They're not synonymous with one another and are different. And check out the Oxford 2011 definition.
@Einsteinbomb Listen Einstein, I'm about done with this convo. Your just resorting to bull**** now just like you did with Jefferson and Menno. So let me leave you with the facts:
Christians outnumber Muslims in the world today: FACT
The Christian Bible was written before the Qu'ran was written: FACT
The Bible has sold more copies than any other book in history: FACT
Now if you want to refute these facts with SOUND arguments and facts then I'm all ears, otherwise don't waste my time.
"Christians outnumber Muslims in the world today: FACT
The Christian Bible was written before the Qu'ran was written: FACT
The Bible has sold more copies than any other book in history: FACT"
Keep telling yourself that and I'm sure someone will believe you. You have the right to believe anything you want and go right ahead. Don't even bother to see sales figures, population, and dates in history as they a nuisance, right?
"Christians outnumber Muslims in the world today: FACT
The Christian Bible was written before the Qu'ran was written: FACT
The Bible has sold more copies than any other book in history: FACT"
Keep telling yourself that and I'm sure someone will believe you. You have the right to believe anything you want and go right ahead. Don't even bother to see sales figures, population, and dates in history as they a nuisance, right?
just realized I didn't even reply, I just posted. No wonder you haven't responded. But anyways my posts didn't show up. Doesn't matter, you rarely actually read my post it seems anyways. Just look at your idiotic responses below to the one that did show up. But lets get something straight. You already agreed that the establishment clause is about Congress. So would you agree a nativity scene on public land during Christmas would NOT be unconstitutional because it has nothing to do with Congress?
@Einsteinbomb Like Obama, I have a problem with gay marriage and I don't with partnerships. Now tell me Obama doesn't know anything about the constitution because he holds this belief.
The Establishment Clause is a part of the U.S. Constitution, which is a federal document that refers to the Federal Government. It is not for all government entities. "you...have no understanding about the law"
You have no understanding of Jefferson. And I'd advise you study him before you use his phrase.
Personally he believe the issue is wrong although he will fight for gay rights because regardless of his personal beliefs he'll uphold the Constitution. Too bad more Republicans aren't like him.
Hahahaha. Once again your stupidity and lack of understanding of the Establishment Clause is more evident than ever. All government entities are involved in the Establishment Clause even some that receive government funding, Engel v. Vitale.
Do some research of the incorporation of the Bill of Rights from 1947 and its applicable standing on the states. This issue involves all forms of government, from the local city council to the United States Congress. This has been evident for over 60 years, just curious if you're really playing stupid or are just ignorant.
"The Establishment Clause is a part of the U.S. Constitution, which is a federal document that refers to the Federal Government." WOW...are people as oblivious as you in our society?
So does the Second Amendment apply to the states? Or what about the Fourteenth Amendment?.....are slaves not free at the states level? Because according to you these "federal document"is only referring to the federal level.
News flash all laws created by the federal gov't are applicable to states.
@Einsteinbomb Okay. let me simplify my this for your small brain. The articles in the U.S. Constitution are for the federal government. The Bill of Rights is for citizens. Why do you think for over 100 years governers had to confess their faith in Christ in order to be elected, even tho the constitution clearly states that there can't be any religious test. It's because that only refers to federal officials, not state or local officials. Thomas Jefferson believed this whole-heartedly. .
Hahahaha what are you plain stupid? All the articles in the U.S. Constitution are applicable to every aspect of government within the confines of the United States. The Bill of Rights which houses the Establishment Clause deals with personal Civil Liberties while the other 17 Amendments deal with everything else that's not pertinent to the individual as a form of protection from the government.
@Einsteinbomb State officials didn't confess their faith for votes they did it because it was required by law to do so in order to serve, even years after the Constitution was signed. Maybe more research next time?
And I hope "some made of Christian story" doesn't mean the Christian story is made up because you are dead wrong about that too. Have you ever studied early Christianity? You truelly are just an ignorant liberal that only has recent court cases to defend your views.
The only reason that Governor's confessed their faith was because they couldn't win without pronouncing their faith in Jesus Christ. State laws in the original colonies as well in some Southern States decades ago were Unconstitutional. States like Oregon and California never required this, only old fashioned as well as hick Southern States did this.
You probably don't believe Evolution, huh? Yeah sure the guy who believes in Adam and Eve isn't the ignorant one here. LOL.
The only reason that governors confess their faith is because they want the Christian vote. Look at Jerry Brown of California a confessed Buddhist that practices a lot of the teachings. Yet he's still Governor. There is no religious test among in normal society, except hick Conservative States that make a big deal about some made of Christian story. The Establishment Clause deals with all forms of government and this includes federal all the way down. So, maybe research more?
@Einsteinbomb maybe research more?? Your an idiot. Everything you said was wrong. Article I about the powers of U.S. Congress. Article II is about the powers of the President of the United States. Article III is about the power of the Supreme Court of the United States. It's clearly applied to the 3 branches of the federal government. You already admitted the establishment clause is about Congress, now your saying it deals with all forms of government. Maybe you should read it agian.
Wow I can't believe you're this stupid. All the powers of the Constitution granted individually to each branch of government is applicable to every government entity unless otherwise stated. If the U.S. Supreme Court states that segregation is Unconstitutional under the equal protection clause all of the Constitution, all government as well as private entities are obligated and binded by law to follow the ruling. Research and learn about judicial rulings effects.
@Einsteinbomb I can't believe YOU are this stupid. Of course when the supreme court makes a decision it effects the whole country, but who was talking about that? and of course I believe in evolution(variation within species), but if your talking about the frog turning into a prince fairytale kind of evolution then of course I don't, as there is no scientific evidence to support it. And yes, I'm so ignorant for believing you and I have a soul : /
"Of course when the supreme court makes a decision it effects the whole country, but who was talking about that?"
You made it relevant when you stated that the Establishment Clause is only pertinent to the Judicial, Legislative, and Executive Branches of gov't. It's applicable to all forms of gov't in our nation jackass.
As for your comment of evolution we did originate from the ocean and slowly evolved into into amphibians and later (millions of years) into primates.
@Einsteinbomb The phrase wasn't even used in law until 1879(not 200+years ago) and wasn't enforced, or should I say, misused, until 1947, before 1950, but not even close to 200 years ago.
"...we did originate from the ocean and slowly evolved into into amphibians and later (millions of years) into primates."
So the fairytale is true! A frog turned into a man! LOL without any magic involved. Too bad there isn't and never will be sufficient evidence to support such a rediculous assumption.
1879 was the year the courts brought it up dumbass. The actual phrase originated from Roger Williams The Bloody Tenent of Persecution in 1644. And Thomas Jefferson used it in the context of the U.S. Constitution in the Establishment Clause. There is plenty of evidence that this was what Thomas Jefferson was going for when he came up with the Establishment Clause.
"So the fairytale is true! A frog turned into a man! LOL without any magic involved. "
@Einsteinbomb "1879 was the year the courts brought it up dumbass"
let me rephrase this. it wasn't used in AMERICAN law until 1879. I don't care about Roger Williams. In the future assume I'm talking about America since this conversion is about American law and don't get your panies in a bunch.
"Thomas Jefferson was going for when he came up with the Establishment Clause."
Thomas Jefferson didn't "come up with" the Establishment Clause
Thomas Jefferson was the one to come up with the Establishment Clause because it only became the Establishment Clause when he added it into the U.S. Constitution.
BTW from now on could you refer to our nation as the United States because America isn't a country it's a hemisphere and not politically correct anymore. Unless you say the United States of America.
Actually I find this hard to believe since Menno Simons was a devoted Catholic and later Protestant Reformer. He basically excommunicated himself from the horrid radical views of his church but he never emphasized a separation of church and state.
If you did any research instead of watching FAUX News or making shit up you'd see that the Establishment Clause affects everything in gov't. This includes all the states. I don't know how you Conservatives are so oblivious to the facts that have been present for over 200+ years in our nation.
@Einsteinbomb Your a typical product of society. I'm guessing you got a public education and gobbled up everything your teacher spoon-fed you in biology class, just like you probably did in government class, just like you gobble up everything you hear on CNN. And 200+ years? You got it all wrong. Its things that have been in place for 200+ years that are SUDDENLY "unconstitutional" in this new age of liberalism. Give me an example of the enforcement of seperation of church & State before 1950.
You're the typical Teabagger that has no basic understanding of common law and makes up shit at any time deemed convenient. I had apparently a better education than you did judging by your incompetence. BTW my alma mater is U.C. Berkeley, what's yours?
Listing to FAUX News is apparently hazardous to your braincells, but I guess I don't have to tell you that. And ever hear of McCollum v. Board of Education 1948 that was enforced by local Illinois authorities.
@Einsteinbomb "no power to prescribe any religious exercise...has been delegated to the General (federal) Government it must then rest with the States" :O oh no! Jefferson said the states have the power to "prescribe religious exercise." How bout this one....
"In matters of religion, I...have left them, as the constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of State or Church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies."
Hahahaha. Once again you misinterpreted the works of Thomas Jefferson. If you actually read them you would see he was talking about the Separation of Church and State under the discretion of the Tenth Amendment, state's rights. He states whether the power not prescribed towards the Federal Gov't such as the Establishment of Religion, would be applicable towards the states. He never actually states that they would have the power to establish a religion. It was a simple theory.
@Einsteinbomb I don't know what do say to you anymore. Why is it so hard to read something and assume it means what it actually says. Is that just too crazy for you? Jefferson plainly said that in religion matters, the power rests with the states. You manipulated his other phrase enough. don't try to manipulate this one.
You must understand. I don't want a state to establish a religion, but do you honestly think Jefferson would support everything the ACLU has done in the name of Sep. of C&State
No, he states the obvious distinction from your supposed version, do they lie with the states? He never goes out of his way to imply that they rest with the states. And how is it so hard for you to understand separation of church and state.
I'm aware that you're not trying to establish a religion but you must understand Thomas Jefferson would definitely support the ACLU because he like Thomas Paine saw the atrocity of the church under colonial rule.
@Einsteinbomb "saw the atrocity of the church under colonial rule."
You speak of the church, but ACLU lawsuits rarely have anything to do with keeping the church separate(which is a very legitimate concern), they have to do with taking a cross off the side of the highway, or banning schools from offering Bible classes, and other ridiculous abuses of the establishment clause. They are nothing like the legitimate concerns of the founding fathers.
Bible class is public schools is illegal for a reason. It undermines the separation of church from an established public school subject to an independence from established religion. I'm positive Thomas Paine wouldn't of approved of this at all as well as Jefferson. The Bible in a classroom creates problem as it contradicts facts and alienates those who don't believe in this fairytale, and creates more problems than it helps.
@Einsteinbomb "The Bible in a classroom creates problem as it contradicts facts and alienates those who don't believe in this fairytale" your the one that believes in fairytales, frog into a prince? haven't we already established this? The Bible can be taught as literature and culture and of course the class was not mandatory. Students should have the freedom to choose it as an elective. Unless you want to take that from them, thus ignoring the other side of the establishment clause.
"...your the one that believes in fairytales, frog into a prince..."
It's called evolution. You know that thing you never learned while in biology and anthropology. Maybe you should get an education first and then come back to talk about evolution with me. Or do still believe in Adam and Eve and Jonah and the Whale. Now those stories are cute but they're only stories.
@Einsteinbomb So funding for abortions is okay, but heaven forbid there's funding for a class on the most influential book in History. How much do you think that single class would cost in comparison to the billion dollar a year budget of planned parenthood? Liberal logic. It makes so much sense : /
Even if it is fiction, there's plenty of stories we study in School that are fiction. The Bible should be studied in school for the simple reason that it is alluded to very often.
First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an and I Ching according to scholars. This according to influence and long term influence.
And second of all the last decade in funding for Planned Parenthood was 300 million much less that the tens of billions of dollars the Federal Government gave to Catholic Schools with a secular lesson in the 2009-2010 school year.
The only time we should bring up the Bible is for art class and or history.
Then why is there hundreds of millions more Christians than Muslims? And you know the Qu'ran was influenced by the Old Testament right.
And heaven forbid the Government spend more money on education then they spend on killing innocent babies.
And you may be appalled to know, but we had a chapter over the Bible in literature, not art or history, and I was in a public school :O. So out of 66 books you read some of 4 of them...
"Then why is there hundreds of millions more Christians than Muslims? And you know the Qu'ran was influenced by the Old Testament right."
Hahahahaha....you are a fucking retard. There are more Muslims than there are Christians and Jews put together. Good God maybe you should get your head out of your ass and see the facts. Christians are a minority in the world religion below both Buddhist and Muslims.
And yes the Qur'an was influenced by the Old Testament HEBREW Scriptures.
@Einsteinbob Are you one of those people that think Islam is the largest religion cause Muhammad is the most common name? let me break this down for you. Christian world pop: 2 billion Judaism world pop: 14 million total 2,014,000,000 Islam world pop: 1.3 billion 2,014,000,000 > 1,300,000,000. Buddhism world pop: 360 million Buddhism & Islam total: 1,960,000,000 2,000,000,0000(Christian pop.) > 1,960,000,000 You got mixed up agianThere are more Christians than Muslims and Buddhists combined.
Hey jackass don't place Christians in part as Catholic, Mormon's, and the Baptist. They're extremely different and have their own teachings and ideals. Just because they follow Jesus doesn't mean they're the same thing. Devoted Christians don't believe in the Virgin Mary and Saints so never count the sects. It would be like counting all Buddhist and Hindus together because of the relation in the greater Hindu tradition, so it doesn't work that way. Islamic > Christian Religion.
@Einsteinbomb Would you like to point out which books were "written continually throughout the 7th century A.D."???
You know Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists all follow the Bible, so I'll ask you again.
If the Qu'ran is the most influential book in history then why do hundred of millions more people follow the Bible then the Qu'ran? Even tho your comment didn't effect my point at all, I stilll want to know. if Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists aren't Christians then what are they genius????
First of all I never said the Qur'an was the most influential book ever written, I stated it was one of them. You said I stated that If you bothered to look at my past comments.
Secondly you have to understand that there is a difference between being a follower of Christianity and a Christian. Christian is a religion founded on the New Testament but the notion of Christianity as a whole is not a religion but a group of them with sects; Catholicism, Protestants, Mormon etc.
@Einstienbomb It may be time to consider Proverbs 26:4, I don't know where to begin. Your stupidity & ignorance continues to amaze me. Doesn't look like you paid much attention in your "Sunday school classes." I guess this is what we get when we ban the Bible from schools. Let's start with the basics. The Bible refers to the OT & NT. "The Second Testament" is not a book of the Bible. Christianity is a religion; a Christian is a follower of it. It includes all who believe in Jesus as the Christ.
"I don't know where to begin. Your stupidity & ignorance continues to amaze me."
Really? I suggest you look in the mirror and hopefully find yourself because judging from your state of mind you're more delusional than Jesus was during his test of temptation in the desert.
Christianity is a group of religious sects founded under the actual Christian religion. Just because you're a follower in one religion and one in another it doesn't mean you come from the same religion.
@Einsteinbomb"First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an"
I'm gonna ask you again. IF the Qu'ran is the MOST INFLUENTIAL BOOK IN HISTORY, as you say, then WHY do HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS MORE PEOPLE follow the TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE than people that follow the teaching of the Qu'ran???
"Christian is a religion"
No Christianity is. there is no difference between Christian and a "follower of Christianity." If there is then please tell me what the difference is.
"First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an and I Ching according to scholars." (Actual Quote)
How convenient that you forgot to mention the last part of my quote, what did you forget or were you so desperate to win a pitiful argument you would manipulate the quote? How sad. And BTW the most influential book ever according to most scholars and basically all of Asia and most Western scholars as well is I Ching.
@Einsteinbomb I shorten quotes to save space. You've done much worse with my quotes. "being convicted for lynching a black man is unconstitutional" sound familiar.
The scholars do not agree with you regarding the Qu'ran, they also wouldn't agree with you on the dating of the Bible. Instead of trying to defend your bull**** by saying "according to scholars", try providing your own facts. The real ones this time.
Islam is growing faster percentage-wise because it is much smaller.Look at the #s
No I haven't. You manipulated my quote to use to your advantage just admit it friend. And when I quoted you that's exactly what you meant and I never removed any important part. Just admit you manipulate quotes for an advantage in an argument, so sad :(.
And scholars found the Qur'an more influential and my data on the Bible is quite accurate. And the only "bull****" I've seen here is yours.
@Einsteinbomb It's possible to reconstruct over 99% of the new testament just from the writings of the church fathers. There are only 11 verses in the NT that they did not quote, and they are not in the Corinthians.
The Qur'an cannot be more influential than a book it was influenced by and that has much more followers. The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an.
You keep contradicting yourself and changing your position. Just shut up before you make yourself look any dumber.
But the Pauline Christianity didn't include the former work of the Saints or Apostles that's my point. And still yes the New Testament was still being written well beyond the birth of Jesus.
"The Qur'an cannot be more influential than a book it was influenced by and that has much more followers. The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an."
Once again both were continuously written through about the same era thus explaining similarities between them.
@Einsteinbomb "the Pauline Christianity didn't include the former work of the Saints or Apostles that's my point."
Changing your position again?
"And still yes the New Testament was still being written well beyond the birth of Jesus."
changing your position yet again. but this time you changed it to an obvious one that no one is gonna disagree with. obviously it was written beyond the birth of Christ. because before that there was nothing to write about yet.(although OT has prophesies about it.)
"" "the Pauline Christianity didn't include the former work of the Saints or Apostles that's my point.""
"Changing your position again?"
You definitely need some help in understanding the basic fundamentals of proper American English. Of course they didn't include his former work: it was already in the Second Testament. They expanded his teachings and continually went into the Second Testament and added on behalf of the church representing the Apostle Paul well into the 1400s.
"The Qur'an cannot be more influential than a book it was influenced by and that has much more followers. The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an."
Once again it's like a merry go round because nobody can explain the stupidity you see from encountering people on YouTube. I never stated the Qur'an was the most influential book you stated that as I know the most influential book is I Ching.
@Einsteinbomb "Once again both were continuously written through about the same era..."
besides this not addressing my point at all, your gonna have to provide some evidence for this. You can't just keep making unsupported claims. I've provided evidence of the contrary, so please return the favor.
"I never stated the Qur'an was the most influential book..."
First of all. read my quote again. and try to stay on subject.
Second, you said it was the most influential along with the I Ching.......
"besides this not addressing my point at all, your gonna have to provide some evidence for this. You can't just keep making unsupported claims. I've provided evidence of the contrary, so please return the favor."
Pauline Christianity: Epistle to the Colossians continually written throughout the 1400's by the followers.
"The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an."
Wrong the novel A Tale of Two Cities has earned the honor of being the best selling book in history.
"You keep contradicting yourself and changing your position. Just shut up before you make yourself look any dumber."
Hahahaha...I see you're upset so I suggest you relax and read that fairytale of yours once again. Show me where I contradicted myself if it makes you feel better about yourself and calm down.
@Einsteinbomb ...That's like me saying the 2 greatest bands ever are U2 and Muse and then saying that I never said Muse was the greatest band ever.
A Tale of Two Cities:over 200 million sold
Bible:6 billion sold
Math's a alot off again
"Show me where I contradicted myself"
You call Christianity a denomination, then a group of religious sects,then a group of religions.You don't include Catholics,Mormons,or baptists in Christianity, but you used the growth rate of Christianity that includes them
"You call Christianity a denomination, then a group of religious sects,then a group of religions.You don't include Catholics,Mormons,or baptists in Christianity, but you used the growth rate of Christianity that includes them"
Hahahahaaha....they're established religions and sects of Christianity. But, understand there is no religion called Christianity. I can see you confused yourself and well that's understandable as you have no idea about what you talk about.
Hahahaha....the man needs the definition of "sold". Once again I see you shot yourself in the foot by not comprehending the fundamental nature of using a word in a sentence. The Bible has not been "sold" it has been donated and given out at various religious functions as a token of appreciation for the teaching. I got four free Bibles from Sunday School. Please comprehend "sold", LOL.
@Einsteinbomb You say that "Islamic" is more than the Christian Religion, but not Christianity. You keep making a distinction between the Christian religion and Christianity. If Christianity is not the Christian religion then what is??
You call Catholicism, Mormons, and Baptists religious institutions,then sects, then established religions, then you call Catholicism a major religion. You say "don't place Christians with Catholics" but then you say Catholics are the biggest piece of Christianity.
"You say that "Islamic" is more than the Christian Religion, but not Christianity. You keep making a distinction between the Christian religion and Christianity."
No, shit! Of course I've been making that distinction but you haven't been able to comprehend that. Christianity is a group of sect religions tied together.
" You say that "Islamic" is more than the Christian Religion, but not Christianity. You keep making a distinction between the Christian religion and Christianity. If Christianity is not the Christian religion then what is??"
No shit! Of course I've been making that distinction but you've been too oblivious to reality to see that. They're all established religions and sects of Christianity. And the Christian religion is an established religion under Christianity.
Tell me something what do you personally think about the Islamic faith? You sound like a Teabagger when I bring up the issue. By which I mean disturbed.
"Islam is growing faster percentage-wise because it is much smaller.Look at the #s"
The The World Christian Database as of 2007 saw the growth of Christianity at 1.38% with most of that number coming from mostly the Southern Hemisphere, namely South America. While the growth of Muslims for that exact year was 1.84% due to high birth rates in Asia and constituting about 1/4 of all Asians as Muslims.
A billion people follow the Qur'an blindly. More and more people are getting rid of religion in most Western Nations. And if you haven't noticed lately Islam is growing twice as fast as all the sects of Christianity put together. Also remember that more people doesn't necessarily make it more of a bigger influence.
And, yes there is an actual Christian religion, separate from Catholics and the rest of the sects. I could give you a few names of some in my community if you like.
Although the influence of the Qur'an is still more influential. Because it contained the New Testament teachings plus more.
"Catholics, Mormons, and Baptist believe-in/worship CHRIST, which make them CHRISTIANS."
You mean to say that they're all part of Christianity. Once again there is a difference between the parent denomination of Christianity teachings and an actual Christian religion.
"If you look at raw numbers, there are more Christians being added to the world everyday than Muslims."
I'll take "Christians" as your intention to state sects of Christianity although you would be wrong again as Catholics, the biggest piece of Christianity have lost a lot of ground against Muslims since 2008 when Muslims became larger than all of the Catholic Church.
"Paul was martyred in the AD 60s. Want another try?"
Not Paul the Apostle. I was talking about St. Paul the follower who was a founder of Pauline Christianity. Although he is considered a St. in the Pauline Christianity I believe he is not in the larger denomination of Christianity. The followers continued Paul the Apostle's work and it was later added into the New Testament. And seriously maybe you should get more familiar with your fairy tale book.
@Einsteinbomb My first reply didn't show up last time so I had to repost it.
Since you obviously don't know what the books of the Bible are besides the gospels let me list them out for you, after the gospels there is Acts Romans 1&2Corinthians Galations Ephisians Philipians Colossians 1&2Thessalonians 1&2 Timothy Titus Philemon Hebrews James 1&2 Peter 12&3John Jude and Revelations. Now which one of those were written "continuously through the 7th century AD"? The Second Testament isnt an option
Hahaha...Saint Paul continued writing His Epistles on the Pauline epistles well into the 1600s. So, the First Corinthians & Second Corinthians were continuing written through well passed the 7th Century.
@Einsteinbomb Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists all follow the Bible, and lumped into the rest of Christianity, greatly outnumber Muslims, thus more people follow the teachings of the Bible than follow the teachings of the Qu'ran, thus the Bible is more influential. Understand?
Catholics, Mormons, and Baptist believe-in/worship CHRIST, which make them CHRISTIANS.
Christianity > Islam.
All this is irrelevant cause the Qu'ran was influenced by the Bible so obviously the Bible is more influential.
Catholics, Mormons, and Baptist are Christian denominations. And if you bothered to take into account the differences between them you would see striking differences among them that directly show they're all different religions. And if you didn't know by now the main text of the Mormon Church is the Book of Mormon. And I never debated that more people followed the Bible just simply that Islam was larger than the Christian Church, not Christianity as there is a difference.
Yeah they're facts according to Planned Parenthood, and medical experts in fertility. Look at medical websites on reproduction or Planned Parenthood and or Roe v. Wade as it was a basis for the decision. If you have a problem with a fact, well then tough shit.
@Einsteinbomb No, that wasn't "facts." That was a poorly constructed sentence that didn't contain a single fact and thus supported now view.
"religious institutions" and "cults" are generic terms that could be used for every religion. You can't just exclude Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists from the major religions just because you feel like it. So let me ask it this way.
If you were gonna analyze all the Major religions of the world then how would you classify Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists?
Catholics are a major religion and by far the most corrupt and rich at the same time. Christianity is when you group the religions together under the larger entity which happens to be Christianity.
"If you were gonna analyze all the Major religions of the world then how would you classify Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists?"
I would classify them as established religions unless you mean under the entity of Christianity. But, comprehend Christianity is a group of religions.
"First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an"
I'm gonna ask you again. IF the Qu'ran is the MOST INFLUENTIAL BOOK IN HISTORY, as you say, then WHY do HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS MORE PEOPLE follow the TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE than people that follow the teaching of the Qu'ran????
"Christian is a religion"
No Christianity is. there is no difference between Christian and a "follower of Christianity." If there is then please tell me what the difference is.
"And heaven forbid the Government spend more money on education then they spend on killing innocent babies."
According to facts there is no baby until roughly 22 weeks and that's just a probably. And it's not a baby until it's born if you didn't already know, it's a fetus and doesn't have the rights a live baby have.
And yes literature has some Biblical preachings and teachings pertinent to the lesson or story.
"So out of 66 books you read some of 4 of them..."
There are only 27 books on the New Testament today. And when did I say I read only 4 books? I didn't because your incompetent mind believed I stated that when I said I read the works or Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John I only read theirs when it was actually a general statement on reading the work of the Christian Faith. FUCKING RETARD....hahahaha!!!!
Your comment on babies was disgusting and made no sense. You'd probably believe blacks weren't people in the 1800s either cause that's was the law said. You mind sharing these "facts" that make it a baby? side note: Luke2:5:Mary..was with CHILD
Quran written 610-632 AD
Bible written 1440BC-90AD
"Get and education" haha, take a grammer class, while your add it take a world religions course and a math class so you can actually add, subtract, and compare populations and dates correctly.
That was the old Testament you retard. The Second Testament was written continually throughout the 7th Century A.D. which makes it still younger than the Qur'an. And disciples with the religion Islamic faith continued to add remarks later on about the New Testament. Yes, the first Testament was written before the Qur'an but the Second one was still in progress when the Qur'an was written.
"Just because they FOLLOW JESUS doesn't mean they're the same thing" Actually it does. Christian=FOLLOWER of CHRIST. Hindu and Buddhists dont even share the same gods so, it wouldnt be like that at all, but good try. "Islamic > Christian Religion" does that mean the Sunnis > Christians or the Shiites are? I'm still waiting on those "facts" on 22 week pregnancies, I know it's hard to show facts to support a post that contradicted itself and common sense in so many ways, but do try.
""Just because they FOLLOW JESUS doesn't mean they're the same thing" Actually it does. Christian=FOLLOWER of CHRIST."
Listen to yourself. You can't honestly say that Mormons are the same as Catholics, because if they were I can't remember hearing about Joseph Smith in any lessons.
And unlike the sects of Christianity the sects of Islam are merely politically backed. All sects of Islam are the same shit one way or another, but that can't be said of Christianity.
I'll ask again. If Mormans, Catholics, and Baptists aren't Christians then what are they classified as?
"The Second Testament" is not a book of the NEW Testament. So again. Which book or books were "written continually throughout the 7th century A.D."?
"22 weeks where the fetus is able to survive beyond this point. Prior to that they cannot"
Those are your "facts"?? What the hell does that even mean? Next time you claim to have "facts" please provide actual facts, ones that actually make sense
"I'm still waiting on those "facts" on 22 week pregnancies"
Baby Center and Planned Parenthood websites and look at the stage at 22 weeks where the fetus is able to survive beyond this point. Prior to that they cannot. That's why in Roe v. Wade the 22-24 weeks period was brought up. Or if you didn't bother to look up, which you didn't this was deemed the start of late term abortion.
"Your comment on babies was disgusting and made no sense. You'd probably believe blacks weren't people in the 1800s either cause that's was the law said."
You're the one to talk coming out as a bigot. You're the one who doesn't want same sex marriage, in a generation the ideal about this will change and you'll be no different than the racist Southerners during the Civil Rights era.
And BTW I support the choice of abortion because it's women's rights.
for every reply you average 5 times as many lies as you do facts. You don't even average 1 fact per post.
Let me break this down further for you.
OT written approximately 1440-450BC
NT written approximately 48-95AD
even if what you say about the NT is true then the Qu'ran is STILL not older as it hadn't even began to be written until the end of the NT. So even by your own wrong opinion you are still wrong
ad hominems/personal attacks: Still has no idea how to use fallacies in any way.
For ever reply you average more bullshit per sentence than anyone I've ever come across.
And yes the Old Testament is older but the New One is not as it was continually written through the 7th Century. So, you might want to check your math on that one.
""Get and education"" haha, take a grammer class, while your add it take a world religions course and a math class so you can actually add, subtract, and compare populations and dates correctly."
Maybe if you got your head out of your ass and used your common sense you would see some of the reality of our world. Otherwise I feel sorry for you and everyone similar to your bigot beliefs and principles.
""Through Menno's...devoted life...representing a Christian way of life, was preserved, which have meanwhile become quite generally recognized as an integral part of Protestantism and include such basic principles as separation of church and state""
Has absolutely nothing to do with the Establishment Clause. I mean did you even read this? Or did you simply see "separation of church and state" and assume he was talking about religion and the kingdom. Hahahaha suggest you read it.
If your so inclined to take a Bible class do it at the expense of the parents who place there kids in a religious class, or Sunday School, or if you want a religious school. Not at the expense of tax payers in public school who pay for the elective class. The time religion should ever be studied is in the context of secular purpose such as the study of art and it's religious background. Or in the terms of history such as the Monkey Trial and the influence of religion on politics.
Ardipithecus has so far proven to be much more help than Lucy in the findings of the evolutionary state. And if you didn't know already Ardipithecus has been researched since 1991 because of the work and findings scientists have discovered.
Regardless this finding defuncts all the church's belief in Adam and Eve.
BTW whether you believe it or not the missing link is a fact of human evolution and not mere imagination.
Great they've found the link between monkey's and humans. Maybe they can work on the thousands of other missing links now lol. It's too bad human evolution can't successfully get through the scientific method.
And what do you know about Adam and Eve you haven't even read Genesis, which is very evident.
Cool, you tried to debunk one of my sources using the Establishment Clause...? Now try to discredit the other sources...without going off subject.
"Great they've found the link between monkey's and humans. Maybe they can work on the thousands of other missing links now lol. It's too bad human evolution can't successfully get through the scientific method."
It's called a work in progress. And you may be mad that that fairytale of Adam and Eve your mommy use to read to you was false but you have to wake up and see it was plainly a interesting and unique story written by someone with a great imagination.
"Cool, you tried to debunk one of my sources using the Establishment Clause...? Now try to discredit the other sources...without going off subject."
I read your source and well once again you misunderstood everything. So unless you have a hidden document written by the Mennonites tucked away somewhere, then you don't know shit.
Hahaha. You're still hung up on that Separation of Church and State. It wasn't Menno Simons that first phrased the saying. If you didn't know already the Establishment Clause was a philosophical view from Western World, United States and was coined by Roger Williams.
Now if you still believe that the founders of the Mennonites came up with this phrase I suggest you seek help immediately because you must be delusional.
There is no logical nor moral argument for making gay marriage legal.
Gay "marrriage" is not marrriage.
Make gay marriage illegal.
johnzbarleycorn 8 hours ago
i hate gay marriage!
NumbuhOneHater 5 months ago
@antiVERNUMFORRACIST
Look, I think it's cute that you've got a little crush on me, but I was born with an attraction for women, not men. I know it's hard when someone you love doesn't love you back, but please, there are lots of gay men out there waiting for you. I'm just not into men, sorry.
NashvilleKildCountry 6 months ago
I had to pick up my jaw from the ground when I heard the news! Iowa? Kick ass!
macrent2 6 months ago
@antiVERNUMFORRACIST
Wow. You've centered your life around me, haven't you?
NashvilleKildCountry 6 months ago
I was so happy when I found out they legalized SS marriage. I'm not gay, but I am from Iowa.
JaceaRise 7 months ago
I always thought Iowa was a conservative state. Cool though
lordinvishil 7 months ago
People can love people. In my mind there are 2 types of gay people. People that have to tell you there gay, and then people that are so flamboyant that they irritate us. But personally, people dont irritate me that are gay, and i dont care who they marry. Its the wicked flamboyant people that drive me crazy
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gay marriage is fucked up, its not even right, nasty and gross, and as far as im concerned i WILL judge any homo in my state, so stay out fuckers
13craj 9 months ago
illinois recently legalized same-sex unions.not exactly marriage but its a step. a huge step
KrabsMoon 11 months ago
Iowa is that liberal? I'm gonna go live there
bbphnix 11 months ago
@bbphnix No. 7 unelected people made the decision for the entire state.
54tumelo56 11 months ago
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54tumelo56 1 year ago
"Marriage is a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship. It is an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged in a variety of ways, depending on the culture or subculture in which it is found. Such a union, often formalized via a wedding ceremony, may also be called matrimony."
Gay marriage Does not Affect this definition
abooood95 1 year ago
@megan130
"State Constitutions that speak stronger on a topic TRUMPS the federal Constitution by Supreme Court standings."
Actually this is incorrect. The only way that a State Constitution can trump the Federal Gov't is and only if there is nothing pertaining to the issue that have a fair and legal standing at the federal level, such as marriage laws. But, this case does have a pertinence on gay marriage in relation to the 14th Amendment.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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54tumelo56 1 year ago
The bible says gay marriage is wrong there for gay marriage should not be permitted.
Marriage comes for the bible.
If you don't understand were I'm coming from your a nimrod ;)
P.S I'm a pagan and don't really give a shit ;)
blackashell13 1 year ago
@blackashell13
Sorry man but you're wrong. Marriage predates Christianity and the Bible by over 2000 years. Other cultures had forms of marriage much before Christianity ever came into existence.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@blackashell13 actually marriage predates any bible written
so it doesnt come from the bible
idaman12345 1 year ago
And I know this is an old subject, but are you aware that my views on gay marriage happen to be exactly the same as your hero and president Barack Obama?
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
So you're a moderate on the issue. Or in other words don't have a stance, because contrary to popular Republican belief Obama is a moderate on the issue.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
If you actually believe that 6 billion Bibles were sold you must be out of your mind. First of all Bibles are free, you can get them anywhere that has a Church under the sect of Christianity. And secondly look at the charts and see who is credited as the #1 selling book ever.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb so now Christianity is a sect? geez.... Churches don't usually just give bibles free, unless it's for a specific event, although there are organizations that do. At any rate, The number your talking about is around 7.5 billion, but 6 billion have been SOLD. If you don't like that number then I open to hear another, but you haven't given any. Please tell me you don't actually believe the "tale of two cities" has sold more copies than the Bible.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
I thought I made it pretty clear when I said that "a Church under the sect of Christianity" by which it's a sect of Christianity. Well I guess not then: sects under Christianity.
And yes I stated this before and will once again: the Tale of Two Cities is the best selling book ever. The Bible figures are not accounted for and they're not sold, but merely donated. Like I told you before they are free as I can go to a local Catholic Church and they have tons of free Bibles.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "I thought I made it pretty clear"
No. You've made nothing clear as you continue to contradict yourself regarding Christianity.
"the sect of Christianity" "sects under Christianity"
so there are sects under a sect? What is the sect of Christianity under?
It's clear you don't know what Christianity is so quit commenting on it. I bought a bible just the other day. they ARE sold.
Bible: 6 billion sold OR ?????????
You can't successfully refute my claim unless you give an alternative.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
It's not my fault you couldn't understand the simple notion that Christianity has sects under it. And, go ahead and keep buying Bibles as you so plainly but it, but we both know it's bull and you didn't really buy one. And as for people who actually buy one, they're the stupidest people for buying a book offered free at any Church of Jesus Christ. LOL.
And FYI the Bible is not the most sold book, maybe the most printed but definitely not the best selling book.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "...you didn't really buy one."
Wow, good rebuttal. that's pathetic. You actually believe I just made that up? it was a paper-back NASB for $1.99 at Mardels. I bought it using a $30 gift card.
And as for people who actually buy one, they're the stupidest people for buying a book offered free at any Church..."
People aren't stupid because they rather buy a Bible of there choosing rather than asking for a free one like a bum and ending up with whatever they happen to be given.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Wow, good rebuttal. that's pathetic. You actually believe I just made that up? it was a paper-back NASB for $1.99 at Mardels. I bought it using a $30 gift card."
Yeah sure and as a good Christian boy you had no idea that they're free at any local Church of Christ.
"People aren't stupid because they rather buy a Bible of there choosing rather than asking ....."
Hahahaha there is a free box full of them that are for everyone at many churches. They can't give them away. LOL.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "Hahahaha there is a free box full of them that are for everyone at many churches. They can't give them away. LOL."
completely missed my point. From talking to you, I doubt you go to church, thus I doubt you really know what your talking about when you say things like that.
"the American Literature Association as well as book charts from NY Time and Wall Street Journal place Charles Dickens book #1 sold."
And where do the rank the bible?Oh wait they don't account for it do they.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"And where do the rank the bible?Oh wait they don't account for it do they."
They don't rank it because although it's vastly printed it's not purchased. And please next time you attend a Sunday Mass I'd suggest you look at donation boxes and you'll see many free Bible donated to anyone who wants to listen to the Gospel. BTW don't even get me started on those people that try to convert you and give you all the free Bible and accessories in an attempt to have you join their church.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"It's clear you don't know what Christianity is so quit commenting on it."
Maybe you need a reality check because it's obvious you have no idea what you talking about and you still think Christianity is a religion. I'd suggest you'd get help but you probably wouldn't be willing to get a psych evaluation.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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54tumelo56 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "...you didn't really buy one."
Wow, good rebuttal. that's pathetic. You actually believe I just made that up? it was a paper-back NASB for $1.99 at Mardels. I bought it using a $30 gift card.
And as for people who actually buy one, they're the stupidest people for buying a book offered free at any Church..."
People aren't stupid because they'd rather buy a Bible of there choosing rather than asking for a free one like a bum and ending up with whatever they happen to be given.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "you still think Christianity is a religion"
And you still think it's a group of religions/group of sects/denomination/sect.
aka you don't know what it is so let me tell you again.
Christianity Chris*tian"i*ty, n. 1. The religion of Christians; the system of doctrines and precepts taught by Christ. [1913 Webster]
I already told you this. You can't just keep making unsupported claims. If your say that the Bible isn't the world's best seller than provide a source that says so.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Chris·ti·an·i·ty
[kris-chee-an-i-tee]
the Christian religions, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.
a particular Christian religious system.
the practices of the teachings of Christian value and beliefs.
Seems pretty clear it's a group here. And FYI the American Literature Association as well as book charts from NY Time and Wall Street Journal place Charles Dickens book #1 sold.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "...including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches."
Oh so Christianity DOES include Catholics, which would make it much larger than Islam. Well at least we cleared something up from that inferior definition.
The problem is, me, being unbiased, looked up the definition and used the first on on the list. Notice the number 1 beside mine. I'm sure the Webster's definition trumps this one, which doesn't have a source at all. How long to you have to look for this??
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Oh so Christianity DOES include Catholics, which would make it much larger than Islam."
Yes it does include Catholics but it's not a religion it's a group of them. As it also has Mormons and Protestants as well. But, once again you're not able to distinguish the difference between the actual Christian Religion and Christianity. They're not synonymous with one another and are different. And check out the Oxford 2011 definition.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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@Einsteinbomb Oxford dictionary:
noun
the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth...
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb Listen Einstein, I'm about done with this convo. Your just resorting to bull**** now just like you did with Jefferson and Menno. So let me leave you with the facts:
Christians outnumber Muslims in the world today: FACT
The Christian Bible was written before the Qu'ran was written: FACT
The Bible has sold more copies than any other book in history: FACT
Now if you want to refute these facts with SOUND arguments and facts then I'm all ears, otherwise don't waste my time.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
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@54tumelo56
"Christians outnumber Muslims in the world today: FACT
The Christian Bible was written before the Qu'ran was written: FACT
The Bible has sold more copies than any other book in history: FACT"
Keep telling yourself that and I'm sure someone will believe you. You have the right to believe anything you want and go right ahead. Don't even bother to see sales figures, population, and dates in history as they a nuisance, right?
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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@54tumelo56
"Christians outnumber Muslims in the world today: FACT
The Christian Bible was written before the Qu'ran was written: FACT
The Bible has sold more copies than any other book in history: FACT"
Keep telling yourself that and I'm sure someone will believe you. You have the right to believe anything you want and go right ahead. Don't even bother to see sales figures, population, and dates in history as they a nuisance, right?
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
If you bother to look at the bull you've posted you would see my surprise hearing this comment from the biggest bull*****er.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Where are those sales figures on the Bible?
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56 the bible has sold more because its been wrongly placed
it should be in the fictional section of the book store
idaman12345 1 year ago 4
@idaman12345 idaman have y9u ever actually read the bible?
54tumelo56 1 year ago
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vechorik 5 months ago
@idaman12345 AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAA. You should have been a comedian instead of a pissant commenting on youtube.
CryInTheAttic 4 months ago
@CryInTheAttic what do you happen to find the truth funny?
idaman12345 2 weeks ago
just realized I didn't even reply, I just posted. No wonder you haven't responded. But anyways my posts didn't show up. Doesn't matter, you rarely actually read my post it seems anyways. Just look at your idiotic responses below to the one that did show up. But lets get something straight. You already agreed that the establishment clause is about Congress. So would you agree a nativity scene on public land during Christmas would NOT be unconstitutional because it has nothing to do with Congress?
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
BTW I've read your posts time after time but you still have no understanding about the law.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb Like Obama, I have a problem with gay marriage and I don't with partnerships. Now tell me Obama doesn't know anything about the constitution because he holds this belief.
The Establishment Clause is a part of the U.S. Constitution, which is a federal document that refers to the Federal Government. It is not for all government entities. "you...have no understanding about the law"
You have no understanding of Jefferson. And I'd advise you study him before you use his phrase.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Personally he believe the issue is wrong although he will fight for gay rights because regardless of his personal beliefs he'll uphold the Constitution. Too bad more Republicans aren't like him.
Hahahaha. Once again your stupidity and lack of understanding of the Establishment Clause is more evident than ever. All government entities are involved in the Establishment Clause even some that receive government funding, Engel v. Vitale.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Do some research of the incorporation of the Bill of Rights from 1947 and its applicable standing on the states. This issue involves all forms of government, from the local city council to the United States Congress. This has been evident for over 60 years, just curious if you're really playing stupid or are just ignorant.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"The Establishment Clause is a part of the U.S. Constitution, which is a federal document that refers to the Federal Government." WOW...are people as oblivious as you in our society?
So does the Second Amendment apply to the states? Or what about the Fourteenth Amendment?.....are slaves not free at the states level? Because according to you these "federal document"is only referring to the federal level.
News flash all laws created by the federal gov't are applicable to states.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb Okay. let me simplify my this for your small brain. The articles in the U.S. Constitution are for the federal government. The Bill of Rights is for citizens. Why do you think for over 100 years governers had to confess their faith in Christ in order to be elected, even tho the constitution clearly states that there can't be any religious test. It's because that only refers to federal officials, not state or local officials. Thomas Jefferson believed this whole-heartedly. .
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Hahahaha what are you plain stupid? All the articles in the U.S. Constitution are applicable to every aspect of government within the confines of the United States. The Bill of Rights which houses the Establishment Clause deals with personal Civil Liberties while the other 17 Amendments deal with everything else that's not pertinent to the individual as a form of protection from the government.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb State officials didn't confess their faith for votes they did it because it was required by law to do so in order to serve, even years after the Constitution was signed. Maybe more research next time?
And I hope "some made of Christian story" doesn't mean the Christian story is made up because you are dead wrong about that too. Have you ever studied early Christianity? You truelly are just an ignorant liberal that only has recent court cases to defend your views.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
The only reason that Governor's confessed their faith was because they couldn't win without pronouncing their faith in Jesus Christ. State laws in the original colonies as well in some Southern States decades ago were Unconstitutional. States like Oregon and California never required this, only old fashioned as well as hick Southern States did this.
You probably don't believe Evolution, huh? Yeah sure the guy who believes in Adam and Eve isn't the ignorant one here. LOL.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
The only reason that governors confess their faith is because they want the Christian vote. Look at Jerry Brown of California a confessed Buddhist that practices a lot of the teachings. Yet he's still Governor. There is no religious test among in normal society, except hick Conservative States that make a big deal about some made of Christian story. The Establishment Clause deals with all forms of government and this includes federal all the way down. So, maybe research more?
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb maybe research more?? Your an idiot. Everything you said was wrong. Article I about the powers of U.S. Congress. Article II is about the powers of the President of the United States. Article III is about the power of the Supreme Court of the United States. It's clearly applied to the 3 branches of the federal government. You already admitted the establishment clause is about Congress, now your saying it deals with all forms of government. Maybe you should read it agian.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Wow I can't believe you're this stupid. All the powers of the Constitution granted individually to each branch of government is applicable to every government entity unless otherwise stated. If the U.S. Supreme Court states that segregation is Unconstitutional under the equal protection clause all of the Constitution, all government as well as private entities are obligated and binded by law to follow the ruling. Research and learn about judicial rulings effects.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb I can't believe YOU are this stupid. Of course when the supreme court makes a decision it effects the whole country, but who was talking about that? and of course I believe in evolution(variation within species), but if your talking about the frog turning into a prince fairytale kind of evolution then of course I don't, as there is no scientific evidence to support it. And yes, I'm so ignorant for believing you and I have a soul : /
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Of course when the supreme court makes a decision it effects the whole country, but who was talking about that?"
You made it relevant when you stated that the Establishment Clause is only pertinent to the Judicial, Legislative, and Executive Branches of gov't. It's applicable to all forms of gov't in our nation jackass.
As for your comment of evolution we did originate from the ocean and slowly evolved into into amphibians and later (millions of years) into primates.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb The phrase wasn't even used in law until 1879(not 200+years ago) and wasn't enforced, or should I say, misused, until 1947, before 1950, but not even close to 200 years ago.
"...we did originate from the ocean and slowly evolved into into amphibians and later (millions of years) into primates."
So the fairytale is true! A frog turned into a man! LOL without any magic involved. Too bad there isn't and never will be sufficient evidence to support such a rediculous assumption.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
1879 was the year the courts brought it up dumbass. The actual phrase originated from Roger Williams The Bloody Tenent of Persecution in 1644. And Thomas Jefferson used it in the context of the U.S. Constitution in the Establishment Clause. There is plenty of evidence that this was what Thomas Jefferson was going for when he came up with the Establishment Clause.
"So the fairytale is true! A frog turned into a man! LOL without any magic involved. "
Hahahaha what a retard.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "1879 was the year the courts brought it up dumbass"
let me rephrase this. it wasn't used in AMERICAN law until 1879. I don't care about Roger Williams. In the future assume I'm talking about America since this conversion is about American law and don't get your panies in a bunch.
"Thomas Jefferson was going for when he came up with the Establishment Clause."
Thomas Jefferson didn't "come up with" the Establishment Clause
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Thomas Jefferson was the one to come up with the Establishment Clause because it only became the Establishment Clause when he added it into the U.S. Constitution.
BTW from now on could you refer to our nation as the United States because America isn't a country it's a hemisphere and not politically correct anymore. Unless you say the United States of America.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "The actual phrase originated from Roger Williams The Bloody Tenent of Persecution in 1644."
Actually Menno Simons used it long before that.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Actually Menno Simons used it long before that."
Actually I find this hard to believe since Menno Simons was a devoted Catholic and later Protestant Reformer. He basically excommunicated himself from the horrid radical views of his church but he never emphasized a separation of church and state.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
If you did any research instead of watching FAUX News or making shit up you'd see that the Establishment Clause affects everything in gov't. This includes all the states. I don't know how you Conservatives are so oblivious to the facts that have been present for over 200+ years in our nation.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb Your a typical product of society. I'm guessing you got a public education and gobbled up everything your teacher spoon-fed you in biology class, just like you probably did in government class, just like you gobble up everything you hear on CNN. And 200+ years? You got it all wrong. Its things that have been in place for 200+ years that are SUDDENLY "unconstitutional" in this new age of liberalism. Give me an example of the enforcement of seperation of church & State before 1950.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
You're the typical Teabagger that has no basic understanding of common law and makes up shit at any time deemed convenient. I had apparently a better education than you did judging by your incompetence. BTW my alma mater is U.C. Berkeley, what's yours?
Listing to FAUX News is apparently hazardous to your braincells, but I guess I don't have to tell you that. And ever hear of McCollum v. Board of Education 1948 that was enforced by local Illinois authorities.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "no power to prescribe any religious exercise...has been delegated to the General (federal) Government it must then rest with the States" :O oh no! Jefferson said the states have the power to "prescribe religious exercise." How bout this one....
"In matters of religion, I...have left them, as the constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of State or Church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies."
:O he did it again! D:
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Hahahaha. Once again you misinterpreted the works of Thomas Jefferson. If you actually read them you would see he was talking about the Separation of Church and State under the discretion of the Tenth Amendment, state's rights. He states whether the power not prescribed towards the Federal Gov't such as the Establishment of Religion, would be applicable towards the states. He never actually states that they would have the power to establish a religion. It was a simple theory.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb I don't know what do say to you anymore. Why is it so hard to read something and assume it means what it actually says. Is that just too crazy for you? Jefferson plainly said that in religion matters, the power rests with the states. You manipulated his other phrase enough. don't try to manipulate this one.
You must understand. I don't want a state to establish a religion, but do you honestly think Jefferson would support everything the ACLU has done in the name of Sep. of C&State
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
No, he states the obvious distinction from your supposed version, do they lie with the states? He never goes out of his way to imply that they rest with the states. And how is it so hard for you to understand separation of church and state.
I'm aware that you're not trying to establish a religion but you must understand Thomas Jefferson would definitely support the ACLU because he like Thomas Paine saw the atrocity of the church under colonial rule.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "saw the atrocity of the church under colonial rule."
You speak of the church, but ACLU lawsuits rarely have anything to do with keeping the church separate(which is a very legitimate concern), they have to do with taking a cross off the side of the highway, or banning schools from offering Bible classes, and other ridiculous abuses of the establishment clause. They are nothing like the legitimate concerns of the founding fathers.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Bible class is public schools is illegal for a reason. It undermines the separation of church from an established public school subject to an independence from established religion. I'm positive Thomas Paine wouldn't of approved of this at all as well as Jefferson. The Bible in a classroom creates problem as it contradicts facts and alienates those who don't believe in this fairytale, and creates more problems than it helps.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "The Bible in a classroom creates problem as it contradicts facts and alienates those who don't believe in this fairytale" your the one that believes in fairytales, frog into a prince? haven't we already established this? The Bible can be taught as literature and culture and of course the class was not mandatory. Students should have the freedom to choose it as an elective. Unless you want to take that from them, thus ignoring the other side of the establishment clause.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"...your the one that believes in fairytales, frog into a prince..."
It's called evolution. You know that thing you never learned while in biology and anthropology. Maybe you should get an education first and then come back to talk about evolution with me. Or do still believe in Adam and Eve and Jonah and the Whale. Now those stories are cute but they're only stories.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb So funding for abortions is okay, but heaven forbid there's funding for a class on the most influential book in History. How much do you think that single class would cost in comparison to the billion dollar a year budget of planned parenthood? Liberal logic. It makes so much sense : /
Even if it is fiction, there's plenty of stories we study in School that are fiction. The Bible should be studied in school for the simple reason that it is alluded to very often.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an and I Ching according to scholars. This according to influence and long term influence.
And second of all the last decade in funding for Planned Parenthood was 300 million much less that the tens of billions of dollars the Federal Government gave to Catholic Schools with a secular lesson in the 2009-2010 school year.
The only time we should bring up the Bible is for art class and or history.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "most influential book is the Qur'an"
Then why is there hundreds of millions more Christians than Muslims? And you know the Qu'ran was influenced by the Old Testament right.
And heaven forbid the Government spend more money on education then they spend on killing innocent babies.
And you may be appalled to know, but we had a chapter over the Bible in literature, not art or history, and I was in a public school :O. So out of 66 books you read some of 4 of them...
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Then why is there hundreds of millions more Christians than Muslims? And you know the Qu'ran was influenced by the Old Testament right."
Hahahahaha....you are a fucking retard. There are more Muslims than there are Christians and Jews put together. Good God maybe you should get your head out of your ass and see the facts. Christians are a minority in the world religion below both Buddhist and Muslims.
And yes the Qur'an was influenced by the Old Testament HEBREW Scriptures.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Hey jackass don't place Christians in part as Catholic, Mormon's, and the Baptist. They're extremely different and have their own teachings and ideals. Just because they follow Jesus doesn't mean they're the same thing. Devoted Christians don't believe in the Virgin Mary and Saints so never count the sects. It would be like counting all Buddhist and Hindus together because of the relation in the greater Hindu tradition, so it doesn't work that way. Islamic > Christian Religion.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb Would you like to point out which books were "written continually throughout the 7th century A.D."???
You know Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists all follow the Bible, so I'll ask you again.
If the Qu'ran is the most influential book in history then why do hundred of millions more people follow the Bible then the Qu'ran? Even tho your comment didn't effect my point at all, I stilll want to know. if Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists aren't Christians then what are they genius????
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
First of all I never said the Qur'an was the most influential book ever written, I stated it was one of them. You said I stated that If you bothered to look at my past comments.
Secondly you have to understand that there is a difference between being a follower of Christianity and a Christian. Christian is a religion founded on the New Testament but the notion of Christianity as a whole is not a religion but a group of them with sects; Catholicism, Protestants, Mormon etc.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einstienbomb It may be time to consider Proverbs 26:4, I don't know where to begin. Your stupidity & ignorance continues to amaze me. Doesn't look like you paid much attention in your "Sunday school classes." I guess this is what we get when we ban the Bible from schools. Let's start with the basics. The Bible refers to the OT & NT. "The Second Testament" is not a book of the Bible. Christianity is a religion; a Christian is a follower of it. It includes all who believe in Jesus as the Christ.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"I don't know where to begin. Your stupidity & ignorance continues to amaze me."
Really? I suggest you look in the mirror and hopefully find yourself because judging from your state of mind you're more delusional than Jesus was during his test of temptation in the desert.
Christianity is a group of religious sects founded under the actual Christian religion. Just because you're a follower in one religion and one in another it doesn't mean you come from the same religion.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb"First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an"
I'm gonna ask you again. IF the Qu'ran is the MOST INFLUENTIAL BOOK IN HISTORY, as you say, then WHY do HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS MORE PEOPLE follow the TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE than people that follow the teaching of the Qu'ran???
"Christian is a religion"
No Christianity is. there is no difference between Christian and a "follower of Christianity." If there is then please tell me what the difference is.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an and I Ching according to scholars." (Actual Quote)
How convenient that you forgot to mention the last part of my quote, what did you forget or were you so desperate to win a pitiful argument you would manipulate the quote? How sad. And BTW the most influential book ever according to most scholars and basically all of Asia and most Western scholars as well is I Ching.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb I shorten quotes to save space. You've done much worse with my quotes. "being convicted for lynching a black man is unconstitutional" sound familiar.
The scholars do not agree with you regarding the Qu'ran, they also wouldn't agree with you on the dating of the Bible. Instead of trying to defend your bull**** by saying "according to scholars", try providing your own facts. The real ones this time.
Islam is growing faster percentage-wise because it is much smaller.Look at the #s
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"You've done much worse with my quotes...."
No I haven't. You manipulated my quote to use to your advantage just admit it friend. And when I quoted you that's exactly what you meant and I never removed any important part. Just admit you manipulate quotes for an advantage in an argument, so sad :(.
And scholars found the Qur'an more influential and my data on the Bible is quite accurate. And the only "bull****" I've seen here is yours.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb It's possible to reconstruct over 99% of the new testament just from the writings of the church fathers. There are only 11 verses in the NT that they did not quote, and they are not in the Corinthians.
The Qur'an cannot be more influential than a book it was influenced by and that has much more followers. The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an.
You keep contradicting yourself and changing your position. Just shut up before you make yourself look any dumber.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
But the Pauline Christianity didn't include the former work of the Saints or Apostles that's my point. And still yes the New Testament was still being written well beyond the birth of Jesus.
"The Qur'an cannot be more influential than a book it was influenced by and that has much more followers. The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an."
Once again both were continuously written through about the same era thus explaining similarities between them.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "the Pauline Christianity didn't include the former work of the Saints or Apostles that's my point."
Changing your position again?
"And still yes the New Testament was still being written well beyond the birth of Jesus."
changing your position yet again. but this time you changed it to an obvious one that no one is gonna disagree with. obviously it was written beyond the birth of Christ. because before that there was nothing to write about yet.(although OT has prophesies about it.)
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"" "the Pauline Christianity didn't include the former work of the Saints or Apostles that's my point.""
"Changing your position again?"
You definitely need some help in understanding the basic fundamentals of proper American English. Of course they didn't include his former work: it was already in the Second Testament. They expanded his teachings and continually went into the Second Testament and added on behalf of the church representing the Apostle Paul well into the 1400s.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"The Qur'an cannot be more influential than a book it was influenced by and that has much more followers. The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an."
Once again it's like a merry go round because nobody can explain the stupidity you see from encountering people on YouTube. I never stated the Qur'an was the most influential book you stated that as I know the most influential book is I Ching.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "Once again both were continuously written through about the same era..."
besides this not addressing my point at all, your gonna have to provide some evidence for this. You can't just keep making unsupported claims. I've provided evidence of the contrary, so please return the favor.
"I never stated the Qur'an was the most influential book..."
First of all. read my quote again. and try to stay on subject.
Second, you said it was the most influential along with the I Ching.......
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"besides this not addressing my point at all, your gonna have to provide some evidence for this. You can't just keep making unsupported claims. I've provided evidence of the contrary, so please return the favor."
Pauline Christianity: Epistle to the Colossians continually written throughout the 1400's by the followers.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Second, you said it was the most influential along with the I Ching......."
Yes I made it sound like they were even. But I Ching is far more influential then any book.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"The worlds best seller is the Bible not the Qur'an."
Wrong the novel A Tale of Two Cities has earned the honor of being the best selling book in history.
"You keep contradicting yourself and changing your position. Just shut up before you make yourself look any dumber."
Hahahaha...I see you're upset so I suggest you relax and read that fairytale of yours once again. Show me where I contradicted myself if it makes you feel better about yourself and calm down.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb ...That's like me saying the 2 greatest bands ever are U2 and Muse and then saying that I never said Muse was the greatest band ever.
A Tale of Two Cities:over 200 million sold
Bible:6 billion sold
Math's a alot off again
"Show me where I contradicted myself"
You call Christianity a denomination, then a group of religious sects,then a group of religions.You don't include Catholics,Mormons,or baptists in Christianity, but you used the growth rate of Christianity that includes them
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"You call Christianity a denomination, then a group of religious sects,then a group of religions.You don't include Catholics,Mormons,or baptists in Christianity, but you used the growth rate of Christianity that includes them"
Hahahahaaha....they're established religions and sects of Christianity. But, understand there is no religion called Christianity. I can see you confused yourself and well that's understandable as you have no idea about what you talk about.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
A Tale of Two Cities:over 200 million sold
Bible:6 billion sold
Math's a alot off again
Hahahaha....the man needs the definition of "sold". Once again I see you shot yourself in the foot by not comprehending the fundamental nature of using a word in a sentence. The Bible has not been "sold" it has been donated and given out at various religious functions as a token of appreciation for the teaching. I got four free Bibles from Sunday School. Please comprehend "sold", LOL.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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54tumelo56 1 year ago
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@Einsteinbomb "the man needs the definition of 'sold'"
To transfer to another for an equivalent - 1913 Webster
No that we got that taken care of let me repeat my statement.
Bible: 6 billion SOLD
You can't just make up your own definitions for things.
Christian = "One who believes, or professes or is assumed to believe, in Jesus Christ"
Christianity = "The religion of Christians"
54tumelo56 1 year ago
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54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
And while your at it take a course in American History too.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb You say that "Islamic" is more than the Christian Religion, but not Christianity. You keep making a distinction between the Christian religion and Christianity. If Christianity is not the Christian religion then what is??
You call Catholicism, Mormons, and Baptists religious institutions,then sects, then established religions, then you call Catholicism a major religion. You say "don't place Christians with Catholics" but then you say Catholics are the biggest piece of Christianity.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
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@54tumelo56
"You say that "Islamic" is more than the Christian Religion, but not Christianity. You keep making a distinction between the Christian religion and Christianity."
No, shit! Of course I've been making that distinction but you haven't been able to comprehend that. Christianity is a group of sect religions tied together.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
" You say that "Islamic" is more than the Christian Religion, but not Christianity. You keep making a distinction between the Christian religion and Christianity. If Christianity is not the Christian religion then what is??"
No shit! Of course I've been making that distinction but you've been too oblivious to reality to see that. They're all established religions and sects of Christianity. And the Christian religion is an established religion under Christianity.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Tell me something what do you personally think about the Islamic faith? You sound like a Teabagger when I bring up the issue. By which I mean disturbed.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Islam is growing faster percentage-wise because it is much smaller.Look at the #s"
The The World Christian Database as of 2007 saw the growth of Christianity at 1.38% with most of that number coming from mostly the Southern Hemisphere, namely South America. While the growth of Muslims for that exact year was 1.84% due to high birth rates in Asia and constituting about 1/4 of all Asians as Muslims.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Sorry about that typo.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
A billion people follow the Qur'an blindly. More and more people are getting rid of religion in most Western Nations. And if you haven't noticed lately Islam is growing twice as fast as all the sects of Christianity put together. Also remember that more people doesn't necessarily make it more of a bigger influence.
And, yes there is an actual Christian religion, separate from Catholics and the rest of the sects. I could give you a few names of some in my community if you like.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb If you look at raw numbers, there are more Christians being added to the world everyday than Muslims.
"more people doesn't...make it more of a bigger influence."
Actually it does. If it influences MORE people than it is MORE influential.
"Saint Paul continued writing His Epistles...well into the 1600s"
Paul was martyred in the AD 60s. Want another try?
"It doesn't seem you're..too familiar with the Holy Book."
Seriously? You thought the "Second Testament" was a book of the Bible.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Although the influence of the Qur'an is still more influential. Because it contained the New Testament teachings plus more.
"Catholics, Mormons, and Baptist believe-in/worship CHRIST, which make them CHRISTIANS."
You mean to say that they're all part of Christianity. Once again there is a difference between the parent denomination of Christianity teachings and an actual Christian religion.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"If you look at raw numbers, there are more Christians being added to the world everyday than Muslims."
I'll take "Christians" as your intention to state sects of Christianity although you would be wrong again as Catholics, the biggest piece of Christianity have lost a lot of ground against Muslims since 2008 when Muslims became larger than all of the Catholic Church.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Paul was martyred in the AD 60s. Want another try?"
Not Paul the Apostle. I was talking about St. Paul the follower who was a founder of Pauline Christianity. Although he is considered a St. in the Pauline Christianity I believe he is not in the larger denomination of Christianity. The followers continued Paul the Apostle's work and it was later added into the New Testament. And seriously maybe you should get more familiar with your fairy tale book.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
BTW I was confirmed early at my Parish because of my Sunday School work and Right of Communion.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb My first reply didn't show up last time so I had to repost it.
Since you obviously don't know what the books of the Bible are besides the gospels let me list them out for you, after the gospels there is Acts Romans 1&2Corinthians Galations Ephisians Philipians Colossians 1&2Thessalonians 1&2 Timothy Titus Philemon Hebrews James 1&2 Peter 12&3John Jude and Revelations. Now which one of those were written "continuously through the 7th century AD"? The Second Testament isnt an option
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Hahaha...Saint Paul continued writing His Epistles on the Pauline epistles well into the 1600s. So, the First Corinthians & Second Corinthians were continuing written through well passed the 7th Century.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists all follow the Bible, and lumped into the rest of Christianity, greatly outnumber Muslims, thus more people follow the teachings of the Bible than follow the teachings of the Qu'ran, thus the Bible is more influential. Understand?
Catholics, Mormons, and Baptist believe-in/worship CHRIST, which make them CHRISTIANS.
Christianity > Islam.
All this is irrelevant cause the Qu'ran was influenced by the Bible so obviously the Bible is more influential.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Catholics, Mormons, and Baptist are Christian denominations. And if you bothered to take into account the differences between them you would see striking differences among them that directly show they're all different religions. And if you didn't know by now the main text of the Mormon Church is the Book of Mormon. And I never debated that more people followed the Bible just simply that Islam was larger than the Christian Church, not Christianity as there is a difference.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Yeah they're facts according to Planned Parenthood, and medical experts in fertility. Look at medical websites on reproduction or Planned Parenthood and or Roe v. Wade as it was a basis for the decision. If you have a problem with a fact, well then tough shit.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb No, that wasn't "facts." That was a poorly constructed sentence that didn't contain a single fact and thus supported now view.
"religious institutions" and "cults" are generic terms that could be used for every religion. You can't just exclude Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists from the major religions just because you feel like it. So let me ask it this way.
If you were gonna analyze all the Major religions of the world then how would you classify Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists?
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
I'd get studying those fairy tales if I were you because It doesn't seem you're all too familiar with the Holy Book.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
" That was a poorly constructed sentence that didn't contain a single fact and thus supported now view."
Hahahaha if you want poorly constructed sentences look at your own, "No, that wasn't "facts" in which hick state did you take grammar at?
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Catholics are a major religion and by far the most corrupt and rich at the same time. Christianity is when you group the religions together under the larger entity which happens to be Christianity.
"If you were gonna analyze all the Major religions of the world then how would you classify Catholics, Mormons, and Baptists?"
I would classify them as established religions unless you mean under the entity of Christianity. But, comprehend Christianity is a group of religions.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Would you like to point out which books were "written continually throughout the 7th century A.D."???"
The Second Testament was one of them.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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"First of all the most influential book in history is not the Bible but the Qur'an"
I'm gonna ask you again. IF the Qu'ran is the MOST INFLUENTIAL BOOK IN HISTORY, as you say, then WHY do HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS MORE PEOPLE follow the TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE than people that follow the teaching of the Qu'ran????
"Christian is a religion"
No Christianity is. there is no difference between Christian and a "follower of Christianity." If there is then please tell me what the difference is.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"And heaven forbid the Government spend more money on education then they spend on killing innocent babies."
According to facts there is no baby until roughly 22 weeks and that's just a probably. And it's not a baby until it's born if you didn't already know, it's a fetus and doesn't have the rights a live baby have.
And yes literature has some Biblical preachings and teachings pertinent to the lesson or story.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
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54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"So out of 66 books you read some of 4 of them..."
There are only 27 books on the New Testament today. And when did I say I read only 4 books? I didn't because your incompetent mind believed I stated that when I said I read the works or Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John I only read theirs when it was actually a general statement on reading the work of the Christian Faith. FUCKING RETARD....hahahaha!!!!
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
Your comment on babies was disgusting and made no sense. You'd probably believe blacks weren't people in the 1800s either cause that's was the law said. You mind sharing these "facts" that make it a baby? side note: Luke2:5:Mary..was with CHILD
Quran written 610-632 AD
Bible written 1440BC-90AD
"Get and education" haha, take a grammer class, while your add it take a world religions course and a math class so you can actually add, subtract, and compare populations and dates correctly.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Bible written 1440BC-90AD"
That was the old Testament you retard. The Second Testament was written continually throughout the 7th Century A.D. which makes it still younger than the Qur'an. And disciples with the religion Islamic faith continued to add remarks later on about the New Testament. Yes, the first Testament was written before the Qur'an but the Second one was still in progress when the Qur'an was written.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
"Just because they FOLLOW JESUS doesn't mean they're the same thing" Actually it does. Christian=FOLLOWER of CHRIST. Hindu and Buddhists dont even share the same gods so, it wouldnt be like that at all, but good try. "Islamic > Christian Religion" does that mean the Sunnis > Christians or the Shiites are? I'm still waiting on those "facts" on 22 week pregnancies, I know it's hard to show facts to support a post that contradicted itself and common sense in so many ways, but do try.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
""Just because they FOLLOW JESUS doesn't mean they're the same thing" Actually it does. Christian=FOLLOWER of CHRIST."
Listen to yourself. You can't honestly say that Mormons are the same as Catholics, because if they were I can't remember hearing about Joseph Smith in any lessons.
And unlike the sects of Christianity the sects of Islam are merely politically backed. All sects of Islam are the same shit one way or another, but that can't be said of Christianity.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
I'll ask again. If Mormans, Catholics, and Baptists aren't Christians then what are they classified as?
"The Second Testament" is not a book of the NEW Testament. So again. Which book or books were "written continually throughout the 7th century A.D."?
"22 weeks where the fetus is able to survive beyond this point. Prior to that they cannot"
Those are your "facts"?? What the hell does that even mean? Next time you claim to have "facts" please provide actual facts, ones that actually make sense
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"I'll ask again. If Mormans, Catholics, and Baptists aren't Christians then what are they classified as?"
We'll religious institutions but if cults are more to your likening then alright.
And it's was the Second Testament.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"I'm still waiting on those "facts" on 22 week pregnancies"
Baby Center and Planned Parenthood websites and look at the stage at 22 weeks where the fetus is able to survive beyond this point. Prior to that they cannot. That's why in Roe v. Wade the 22-24 weeks period was brought up. Or if you didn't bother to look up, which you didn't this was deemed the start of late term abortion.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Your comment on babies was disgusting and made no sense. You'd probably believe blacks weren't people in the 1800s either cause that's was the law said."
You're the one to talk coming out as a bigot. You're the one who doesn't want same sex marriage, in a generation the ideal about this will change and you'll be no different than the racist Southerners during the Civil Rights era.
And BTW I support the choice of abortion because it's women's rights.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
replies: 4
lies/misinformation: 10
facts: 2
ad hominems/personal attacks: 7,
for every reply you average 5 times as many lies as you do facts. You don't even average 1 fact per post.
Let me break this down further for you.
OT written approximately 1440-450BC
NT written approximately 48-95AD
even if what you say about the NT is true then the Qu'ran is STILL not older as it hadn't even began to be written until the end of the NT. So even by your own wrong opinion you are still wrong
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
lies/misinformation: TBA
facts: -∞
ad hominems/personal attacks: Still has no idea how to use fallacies in any way.
For ever reply you average more bullshit per sentence than anyone I've ever come across.
And yes the Old Testament is older but the New One is not as it was continually written through the 7th Century. So, you might want to check your math on that one.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
""Get and education"" haha, take a grammer class, while your add it take a world religions course and a math class so you can actually add, subtract, and compare populations and dates correctly."
Maybe if you got your head out of your ass and used your common sense you would see some of the reality of our world. Otherwise I feel sorry for you and everyone similar to your bigot beliefs and principles.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
""Through Menno's...devoted life...representing a Christian way of life, was preserved, which have meanwhile become quite generally recognized as an integral part of Protestantism and include such basic principles as separation of church and state""
Has absolutely nothing to do with the Establishment Clause. I mean did you even read this? Or did you simply see "separation of church and state" and assume he was talking about religion and the kingdom. Hahahaha suggest you read it.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
If your so inclined to take a Bible class do it at the expense of the parents who place there kids in a religious class, or Sunday School, or if you want a religious school. Not at the expense of tax payers in public school who pay for the elective class. The time religion should ever be studied is in the context of secular purpose such as the study of art and it's religious background. Or in the terms of history such as the Monkey Trial and the influence of religion on politics.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb I gave you just a few sources regarding Menno. It's all I could fit in one reply. I could get more if you like.
And of course I've learned evolution, as it is mandatory to teach in every high school and university, even the private ones.
And is Ardipithecus gonna be a complete fail, just like Lucy and all the rest of the "missing links"?
It's probably just another example of scientists using too much imagination and not enough real science.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Ardipithecus has so far proven to be much more help than Lucy in the findings of the evolutionary state. And if you didn't know already Ardipithecus has been researched since 1991 because of the work and findings scientists have discovered.
Regardless this finding defuncts all the church's belief in Adam and Eve.
BTW whether you believe it or not the missing link is a fact of human evolution and not mere imagination.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@Einsteinbomb "the missing link is a fact..."
Great they've found the link between monkey's and humans. Maybe they can work on the thousands of other missing links now lol. It's too bad human evolution can't successfully get through the scientific method.
And what do you know about Adam and Eve you haven't even read Genesis, which is very evident.
Cool, you tried to debunk one of my sources using the Establishment Clause...? Now try to discredit the other sources...without going off subject.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Great they've found the link between monkey's and humans. Maybe they can work on the thousands of other missing links now lol. It's too bad human evolution can't successfully get through the scientific method."
It's called a work in progress. And you may be mad that that fairytale of Adam and Eve your mommy use to read to you was false but you have to wake up and see it was plainly a interesting and unique story written by someone with a great imagination.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"And what do you know about Adam and Eve you haven't even read Genesis, which is very evident."
Plenty, like I said before I spent years at Sunday school.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
"Cool, you tried to debunk one of my sources using the Establishment Clause...? Now try to discredit the other sources...without going off subject."
I read your source and well once again you misunderstood everything. So unless you have a hidden document written by the Mennonites tucked away somewhere, then you don't know shit.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
Hahaha. You're still hung up on that Separation of Church and State. It wasn't Menno Simons that first phrased the saying. If you didn't know already the Establishment Clause was a philosophical view from Western World, United States and was coined by Roger Williams.
Now if you still believe that the founders of the Mennonites came up with this phrase I suggest you seek help immediately because you must be delusional.
Einsteinbomb 1 year ago