Suffering (and the rest of sentience) is evidently neurophysiological in nature. Consider drugs and mental disorders. Existential philosophy (among all manner of thoughts) only triggers the brain to generate certain kinds of experiences. The only way out is the advancement of neuroscience, and even the possible post-darwinian transition.
I find it odd how Buddhist thought is the opposite. Existentialism argues that realizing the nature of reality (nothingness) causes suffering while Buddhism argues that it causes enlightenment.
@TrevorKingKwong Existentialism simply states that suffering is in the world - but that doesn't mean that you can't find pleasure in life. It's just pointing out the inherent pain and suffering in the world. It's up to the individual to transcend that as best he can.
In existentialism, realizing that all belief systems are illusion, causes suffering; while in Buddhism realizing this, rids suffering.
In other words, Buddhism states that the individual already transcends when he realizes that all belief systems are illusions. Existentialism, on the other hand, states that the individual suffers when he realizes this. Then, only after he suffers, he has the ability to transcend.
They do endure and embrace the fact that suffering exists, but when they realize that the causes of suffering (attachment to belief systems) are illusions, they cease to suffer. Only when they believe in these illusions do they suffer. Whereas existentialism states that not believing in these illusions and realizing that they're actually illusions, causes suffering.
Wow, A Gentle Creature identifying with the Underground Man. Remember that Dostoyevsky is coming from a perspective of a Slavic Orthodox Christian in pre-Revolutionary Russia. This mindset is foreign to most in the West even though you may identify with it to some extent. I have read Notes three times in the past ten years and never tire of the new insights that arise every time. Hope you read more of his stuff, truly one of the greats.
I just finished this amazing book, and I too felt a strong connection with much of what he wrote and described in the book. I can completely relate to shutting myself off from the rest of the world from time to time and not really feeling like I'm part of it in the same way everyone else is. Overthinking everything is a pain, but really cannot be stopped once you've sunk deep enough into it. There's no way out once you open the door because it would be deceiving yourself.
notes from the underground is one of the best books i've ever read. i was amazed that dostoevsky's character had so many of the same ideas/reactions i'd had.
great book.
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hammertapping 3 weeks ago
Suffering (and the rest of sentience) is evidently neurophysiological in nature. Consider drugs and mental disorders. Existential philosophy (among all manner of thoughts) only triggers the brain to generate certain kinds of experiences. The only way out is the advancement of neuroscience, and even the possible post-darwinian transition.
jdunbaugh 2 months ago
@Kornd0g8
I find it odd how Buddhist thought is the opposite. Existentialism argues that realizing the nature of reality (nothingness) causes suffering while Buddhism argues that it causes enlightenment.
TrevorKingKwong 6 months ago
@TrevorKingKwong Existentialism simply states that suffering is in the world - but that doesn't mean that you can't find pleasure in life. It's just pointing out the inherent pain and suffering in the world. It's up to the individual to transcend that as best he can.
pawnstar3 4 months ago
@pawnstar3
That's right. What I mean is this:
In existentialism, realizing that all belief systems are illusion, causes suffering; while in Buddhism realizing this, rids suffering.
In other words, Buddhism states that the individual already transcends when he realizes that all belief systems are illusions. Existentialism, on the other hand, states that the individual suffers when he realizes this. Then, only after he suffers, he has the ability to transcend.
TrevorKingKwong 4 months ago
@TrevorKingKwong But how can Buddhists transcend suffering if they don't endure it and embrace the fact that it exists?
pawnstar3 4 months ago
@pawnstar3
They do endure and embrace the fact that suffering exists, but when they realize that the causes of suffering (attachment to belief systems) are illusions, they cease to suffer. Only when they believe in these illusions do they suffer. Whereas existentialism states that not believing in these illusions and realizing that they're actually illusions, causes suffering.
TrevorKingKwong 4 months ago
This book changed my life, I'm glad to see other people in this generation truly being touched by it.
jimihydrox 9 months ago
Wow, A Gentle Creature identifying with the Underground Man. Remember that Dostoyevsky is coming from a perspective of a Slavic Orthodox Christian in pre-Revolutionary Russia. This mindset is foreign to most in the West even though you may identify with it to some extent. I have read Notes three times in the past ten years and never tire of the new insights that arise every time. Hope you read more of his stuff, truly one of the greats.
Mrjrzjohnny 10 months ago 2
i think you have not a brain sorry read again 2x
beramus4 11 months ago
I just finished this amazing book, and I too felt a strong connection with much of what he wrote and described in the book. I can completely relate to shutting myself off from the rest of the world from time to time and not really feeling like I'm part of it in the same way everyone else is. Overthinking everything is a pain, but really cannot be stopped once you've sunk deep enough into it. There's no way out once you open the door because it would be deceiving yourself.
Fr0ggeh86 11 months ago
notes from the underground is one of the best books i've ever read. i was amazed that dostoevsky's character had so many of the same ideas/reactions i'd had.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@Kornd0g8 This writer can be understood only by Slavs !
MrWinestyle 1 year ago
is there for Part 2
tks~
daphne4375 1 year ago