The opposing argument to Tom that this woman was too dumb to come up with: God gave people free will so that people would make mistakes and experience tragedy. Thus, people could appreciate happiness. I agree with Tom though
Even the concept of omnipotence is self-contradictory. If god is all powerful, could god build a building so high that not even god could jump over it? Booyah!
The whole concept of something being omnipotent is rediculous and is countered by a very simple type of question. An example: Could God create a horse that even he could not ride?
Discussion won.
The concept of God was created the explain the things people couldnt explain like lightning or the fact that there were other creatures or our very existence. I usually leave believers be , since they have no evil intend, but there's a reason why about 90% of all prisoners are "believers".
Leykis' "logic" is extremely limited in scope; his circular logic exists within his own mental bubble of ignorance about how the universe really operates. He has absolutely no experience, therefore no knowledge, of spiritual matters. Believing in Leykis' limited "logic" concerning "God" is like listening to Bill O'Reilly tell you things within his "no spin zone" and believing that.
She had potential to create a good argument but she didn't. All she had to do was mention the Devil. It's hard to believe in God without believing in the devil, right?
Free will shuts down Tom Leykis' argument. If God came in and stopped every bad thing from happening we wouldn't be human, there wouldnt be good and evil, we would be mindless drones incapable of thought or emotion. We can choose, that's what life is about.
Bad things in this world happen, they happen for a reason, we rarely know the reason tragedies happen. It's life.
@dreday4 The people who died are "mindless" and "incapable of thought or emotion." They wouldn't be if there was a god and that god intervened. So if God believes people should have free will then he should have intervened.
not really, because why should one person suffer because another person - a bad one- has been granted free will.. Why can't the all powerful god prevent it at the last minute, so he had his free will but the bullets don't harm the other people. Is it for the bad person to learn, well isn't there a better way for them to learn without hurting all those people? and what of natural disasters?
If God stepped in to prevent all bad things from happening, whether it be to a good god fearing righteous person or a lying, cheating, thief what would be the point of free will? It would be free will to a limit.I don't know why bad things happen to good people, all i know is that when it does, its a tragedy.But i don't curse God for it because i know i lack understanding as to why it does happen.Only God knows.For some, that's not a good enuf explanation but thats where faith comes in
i'm not suggesting that a good loving god should step in and prevent all bad things from happening, since a good loving god would respect free will. Human beings don't complain when a murder is prevented, that free will was violated! it's about limiting freedoms. Also, Not everybody e.g. murderers too, can/should get what they want! infact it'd be contradictory since one person's will can contradict anothers.
as to the idea that maybe he has a reason, what you're doing is making excuses for him and explaining away the better explanations.Imagine a confidence trickster or somebody that believes in him trying to sell you/convince you of a belief in him, he'd come up with reasons like that,which sound more like excuses / make little sense.Faith is belief with insufficient evidence,or in this case, with insufficient evidence and reason to the contrary that is more sensible.Faith is gullibility
so, if you hear reasons or have to come up with reasons that don't seem to make much sense, they may be logical but sound like more excuses, or an inability to even think of an excuse.. It may be, we have insufficient knowledge, we don't understand, but if we don't understand the reasons, in that they don't make much sense to us, then why believe them, it sounds more like faith/gullibility.Particularly if you think answers making more sense seem to tell us it's just humans doing this
See, if there was lots of evidence for god then fine, but I don't think we have any, or at least, not much, whatever we have is countered far more by evidence against. but without good evidence for it, we just have a hypothesis and it's not very plausible either.
When Tom was talking about the 33 students who were shot and killed and why did "God" choose not to save them and to just sit up there on his cloud, with his arms crossed. I was waiting for that dumb woman to say "It's because they were sinners. It's because their lives were drenched in sin and God had to save others around them from being led down the same road".
For that is the popular cop-out for religious wackos when you tell them why death and disease occur to innocent people and children.
heres another logic , i like tom but if his logic is this................. god should save everyone who is a victim , which is most, (old people excluded) then hardly anyone would die until old age, and that would make this world pretty over populated even worse than it is now
This stupid bitch ruins it for normal religious people. I always make the sign of the cross before I make a heavy lift in the gym and thank God if I make the lift or for protecting me from injury if I don't make it. Or before I go out on the ice for a game. I thank God for my health. You can thank God for anything. Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us you idiot.
Im not religious, but i think a pro would have solved it all by saying that bad tings are the work of some evil being, like satan, and only the good things are the work of god.
That way, god clearly saved the rest of the people from getting killed by this man who was cursed and misled by satan.
Still, why would you believe that bullshit JUST because someone says so? Without any proof other than some old story book that clearly was written and rewritten by human beings.
@H4xx0rM4xx0r Here's the problem. God is all-powerful and Satan is not. So since God is omnipotent and omnipresent, everything that happens is accordant to his will.
For your logic to work, God would not be able to be all-powerful. If Satan were able to cause events that are against God's will, then either God is not powerful enough to stop them or He lets them happen. Either He can't stop them or he won't.
I'm an atheist. Why is it I can reason this out and believers can't? It's sad, really.
@xJoeEDangerouslyx You know, being someone who believes in a higher power, I find more times than not that atheists seem to understand faith more than a lot of believers. Go figure.
The saddest part about Christians today is most of them don't read the Bible (much). It's like the EULA, don't bother reading it, you just blindly agree to it. God or no God, the answer to that question IS in there (I forget what scripture), but this just goes to show you that just like her, Christians aren't reading their bibles. And if they did, they probably wouldn't get caught in traps like this so easily, making themselves look like fools without doing their homework ahead of time
Leykis is right about women, but his logic here is frankly to work of an amateur. Leykis: "God's all powerful?" Woman: Sure Leykis: "God could have prevented this?" Woman: Blah Blah Blah. What she should have said was that even though God can jump in and stop these things from happening, he doesn't intervene in order to give free will.
@glic7236 It means that it's convenient for a god to create something in it's own image, and give it free will, then blame it for it's own mistakes, with a clever word; like sin.
It's not convenient, it's justified that God hold someone accountable for a decision made with free will. Free will means that only that individual maker of said action carries the burden.
As a side note, most philosophers who are atheists do not believe in free will, hence they avoid this problem altogether.
@glic7236 W/e keeps you a good person dude. You do realize Christianity was invented by a bunch of men in a room as means to control an otherwise ignorant and unruly society... a system of control.
I'm an atheist, and the fact that God didn't do anything, isn't proof he doesn't exist. Really, as much as I agree with Tom in that God doesn't exist, his reasoning is a bit flawed.
you know whats funny is the people at virgina tech that say "oh thank god i was spared, god must have a reason for me" (this goes for everyone in a tragedy) im pretty sure with the guy with a bullet in his head wants to hear ur reason why u were spared and he wasn't
What creeps me out is when you meet an otherwise intelligent person who believes in this book. Listen, religion is a fad. When people study history in 30k years, there will be a chapter dedicated to the religous fad that lasted for 8 or 9k years, thats it.
Too many Christian check their brain at the door when they go to church. Millions of Christian idots in this country dont have a clue as to how to defend their faith.
@logician3 They cant defend their faith because their "faith" is based on a ludicrous false proposition.And Tom nails the issue here."Believers" are simply intellectually challenged people who cant or REFUSE to think with logic or rationality.
bottom line: there is no god, there never was, it is always been just a belief, nothing else. want proof? notice that all major religions were all created during the era when there was no electricity, technology, airplanes, or even the knowledge that the continents of north america & south america even existed. the concept of "god" was created for the purpose of the rich & intelligent to control the stupid & the poor.
@sasquatch13ja Right on Sasquatch.There are more of us out there than they'd like you to believe.God,I'm tired of these illogical religious retards!!They're are completely brainwashed,and most of them can not be re-educated no matter how wrong they are!!Look at how Tom just mercilessly attacked her "Beliefs" with logic,and she wouldnt back down from her stupids beliefs and irrational claims about God.
@sasquatch13ja so your saying that human kind should have waited 50.000 years and then created religion,even then researched if god is real and then decide if we should have it or not?
If the so-called reasoning of religious people is correct, then an all-powerful God allows murder, rape, molestation, robbery, assault and every bad thing as well as every good thing.
@MultiSmartass1 because god let it happen you have the right to think what you want and do what you want unless people stop you from doing so . You have free will. God has given you free will. Whats the point of living if everythings good and you are not free to do what you want? Doesn't sound like fun to me!
@garryanthonydsouza So by that rationale we should all be free to do what we want without any laws. Should someone be allowed to go to your house and rape your wife, cut off your limbs, and eat your children? After all, they have free will. "What's the point of living if everything's good [did you actually say that you imbecile?] ...and you are not free to do what you want? Doesn't sound like fun to me!" WAITING...
@badboyjmm Evil is not some make believe, hocus pocus supernatural force but a potential that lies within the human race as a whole.
If humans can be good, then they can be evil and blaming some invisible little trickster like the so-called Devil is a convienient device, Humans have of warding off responsibility and grafting onto some nonexistent entity.
Humans don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
Yes, in "God's" eyes the freewill of the serial killing rapist is MORE important than the freewill of the child being raped and then killed. Now THAT is love.....;(
He does not use his power to control us as he promised after the flood
He sent his son to redeem all our sins. Being an investor/trader by profession, I think of it like strategical averaging down - when you are losing money and add more money to save your account. In this case he sent his son to save us.
I am not very religious and these are only my un-educated opinions.
The opposing argument to Tom that this woman was too dumb to come up with: God gave people free will so that people would make mistakes and experience tragedy. Thus, people could appreciate happiness. I agree with Tom though
Trackrunnerful 5 days ago
Even the concept of omnipotence is self-contradictory. If god is all powerful, could god build a building so high that not even god could jump over it? Booyah!
sanitydotorg 6 days ago
The whole concept of something being omnipotent is rediculous and is countered by a very simple type of question. An example: Could God create a horse that even he could not ride?
Discussion won.
The concept of God was created the explain the things people couldnt explain like lightning or the fact that there were other creatures or our very existence. I usually leave believers be , since they have no evil intend, but there's a reason why about 90% of all prisoners are "believers".
blackman6270 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
thanks for posting but please dont make his picture move in and out
mikesomething 2 months ago
Leykis' "logic" is extremely limited in scope; his circular logic exists within his own mental bubble of ignorance about how the universe really operates. He has absolutely no experience, therefore no knowledge, of spiritual matters. Believing in Leykis' limited "logic" concerning "God" is like listening to Bill O'Reilly tell you things within his "no spin zone" and believing that.
Madkre8tor 2 months ago
She had potential to create a good argument but she didn't. All she had to do was mention the Devil. It's hard to believe in God without believing in the devil, right?
redphoenix0910 2 months ago
Edit:both not bith lol
coolbeens21 3 months ago
Free will and a god cant bith exist
coolbeens21 3 months ago
Women with great tits like Jessica Biel's is proof there is a God
dreday4 3 months ago
Free will shuts down Tom Leykis' argument. If God came in and stopped every bad thing from happening we wouldn't be human, there wouldnt be good and evil, we would be mindless drones incapable of thought or emotion. We can choose, that's what life is about.
Bad things in this world happen, they happen for a reason, we rarely know the reason tragedies happen. It's life.
dreday4 3 months ago
@dreday4 The people who died are "mindless" and "incapable of thought or emotion." They wouldn't be if there was a god and that god intervened. So if God believes people should have free will then he should have intervened.
OperatorOscillation 2 months ago
@dreday4 Is God all powerful, all knowing, and eternal?
MrWatsurname 1 month ago
@dreday4
not really, because why should one person suffer because another person - a bad one- has been granted free will.. Why can't the all powerful god prevent it at the last minute, so he had his free will but the bullets don't harm the other people. Is it for the bad person to learn, well isn't there a better way for them to learn without hurting all those people? and what of natural disasters?
boliussa 1 week ago
@boliussa
If God stepped in to prevent all bad things from happening, whether it be to a good god fearing righteous person or a lying, cheating, thief what would be the point of free will? It would be free will to a limit.I don't know why bad things happen to good people, all i know is that when it does, its a tragedy.But i don't curse God for it because i know i lack understanding as to why it does happen.Only God knows.For some, that's not a good enuf explanation but thats where faith comes in
dreday4 1 week ago
@dreday4
i'm not suggesting that a good loving god should step in and prevent all bad things from happening, since a good loving god would respect free will. Human beings don't complain when a murder is prevented, that free will was violated! it's about limiting freedoms. Also, Not everybody e.g. murderers too, can/should get what they want! infact it'd be contradictory since one person's will can contradict anothers.
boliussa 1 week ago
@dreday4
as to the idea that maybe he has a reason, what you're doing is making excuses for him and explaining away the better explanations.Imagine a confidence trickster or somebody that believes in him trying to sell you/convince you of a belief in him, he'd come up with reasons like that,which sound more like excuses / make little sense.Faith is belief with insufficient evidence,or in this case, with insufficient evidence and reason to the contrary that is more sensible.Faith is gullibility
boliussa 1 week ago
@dreday4
so, if you hear reasons or have to come up with reasons that don't seem to make much sense, they may be logical but sound like more excuses, or an inability to even think of an excuse.. It may be, we have insufficient knowledge, we don't understand, but if we don't understand the reasons, in that they don't make much sense to us, then why believe them, it sounds more like faith/gullibility.Particularly if you think answers making more sense seem to tell us it's just humans doing this
boliussa 1 week ago
@dreday4
See, if there was lots of evidence for god then fine, but I don't think we have any, or at least, not much, whatever we have is countered far more by evidence against. but without good evidence for it, we just have a hypothesis and it's not very plausible either.
boliussa 1 week ago
Thank you Tom for putting these idiots in their place, for making them face their ridiculous beliefs in an invisible creature.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 3 months ago
When Tom was talking about the 33 students who were shot and killed and why did "God" choose not to save them and to just sit up there on his cloud, with his arms crossed. I was waiting for that dumb woman to say "It's because they were sinners. It's because their lives were drenched in sin and God had to save others around them from being led down the same road".
For that is the popular cop-out for religious wackos when you tell them why death and disease occur to innocent people and children.
ScentlessApprentice7 3 months ago
heres another logic , i like tom but if his logic is this................. god should save everyone who is a victim , which is most, (old people excluded) then hardly anyone would die until old age, and that would make this world pretty over populated even worse than it is now
kwbrilz007 3 months ago
This stupid bitch ruins it for normal religious people. I always make the sign of the cross before I make a heavy lift in the gym and thank God if I make the lift or for protecting me from injury if I don't make it. Or before I go out on the ice for a game. I thank God for my health. You can thank God for anything. Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us you idiot.
Cap285 3 months ago
Im not religious, but i think a pro would have solved it all by saying that bad tings are the work of some evil being, like satan, and only the good things are the work of god.
That way, god clearly saved the rest of the people from getting killed by this man who was cursed and misled by satan.
Still, why would you believe that bullshit JUST because someone says so? Without any proof other than some old story book that clearly was written and rewritten by human beings.
H4xx0rM4xx0r 5 months ago
@H4xx0rM4xx0r Here's the problem. God is all-powerful and Satan is not. So since God is omnipotent and omnipresent, everything that happens is accordant to his will.
For your logic to work, God would not be able to be all-powerful. If Satan were able to cause events that are against God's will, then either God is not powerful enough to stop them or He lets them happen. Either He can't stop them or he won't.
I'm an atheist. Why is it I can reason this out and believers can't? It's sad, really.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 5 months ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx You know, being someone who believes in a higher power, I find more times than not that atheists seem to understand faith more than a lot of believers. Go figure.
XYChromatic 5 months ago
Almost spat water everywhere, "only 33 are dead, thanks god thank you for that.... only 33 dead" *Harp sounds*
EliteDoomer 6 months ago
The saddest part about Christians today is most of them don't read the Bible (much). It's like the EULA, don't bother reading it, you just blindly agree to it. God or no God, the answer to that question IS in there (I forget what scripture), but this just goes to show you that just like her, Christians aren't reading their bibles. And if they did, they probably wouldn't get caught in traps like this so easily, making themselves look like fools without doing their homework ahead of time
Ho hum..
blueshogun96 7 months ago
Leykis is right about women, but his logic here is frankly to work of an amateur. Leykis: "God's all powerful?" Woman: Sure Leykis: "God could have prevented this?" Woman: Blah Blah Blah. What she should have said was that even though God can jump in and stop these things from happening, he doesn't intervene in order to give free will.
glic7236 7 months ago
@glic7236 Because that's not convenient at all is it?
cmacinnis 6 months ago
@cmacinnis
I'm not sure what your comment means.
glic7236 6 months ago
@glic7236 It means that it's convenient for a god to create something in it's own image, and give it free will, then blame it for it's own mistakes, with a clever word; like sin.
cmacinnis 6 months ago
@cmacinnis
It's not convenient, it's justified that God hold someone accountable for a decision made with free will. Free will means that only that individual maker of said action carries the burden.
As a side note, most philosophers who are atheists do not believe in free will, hence they avoid this problem altogether.
glic7236 6 months ago
@glic7236 W/e keeps you a good person dude. You do realize Christianity was invented by a bunch of men in a room as means to control an otherwise ignorant and unruly society... a system of control.
cmacinnis 6 months ago
She is a dumb ass who can't think. It's pathetic and sadly, most believers are just like her
McSibiss 7 months ago
I'm an atheist, and the fact that God didn't do anything, isn't proof he doesn't exist. Really, as much as I agree with Tom in that God doesn't exist, his reasoning is a bit flawed.
blowmeuptomleykis 7 months ago
@blowmeuptomleykis No, listen again.
TheLawlbringer 7 months ago
you know whats funny is the people at virgina tech that say "oh thank god i was spared, god must have a reason for me" (this goes for everyone in a tragedy) im pretty sure with the guy with a bullet in his head wants to hear ur reason why u were spared and he wasn't
monoxide681 8 months ago
Let's see how comfortable she is when God let's her get gunned down.
Stupid bitch.
slipperywhenwet5 8 months ago 2
chick got owned
science 1, religion 0
monoxide681 8 months ago
Hahahah she was ready to cry at the end of that call. Its as if Tom turned her into an Atheist. I bet she lost sleep that night.
What an idiot.. hahahahaha
Borat2borat 8 months ago
Wouldn't this be a good time to step in? LMAO
MrPrettyBoyChina 8 months ago
Obviously you're not going to win. His logic is undeniable!
cmacinnis 8 months ago
lol lots of silence and "ok"
PickYourVenom 8 months ago
thumbs up if u laughed at 05:33
hahah!
Lotrioni 9 months ago in playlist debates
Christians are allergic to logic. She'll never answer the question because her mind is muddled with delusional rubbish
benniquaid 9 months ago
lol tom is the best. this is one of my favorite clips on all of youtube
bud3dharma 9 months ago
Greeks used to believe in the God of Thunder and the God of Love, God of the Sea etc. Seems just as preposterous as any other god.
davegate2000 10 months ago
Stupid cunt cant even answer a simple yes or no question. If you are believe in god you are an idiot! Plain and simple...
MrOtakuman22 10 months ago
lol...GOD exists...just not in the silly fantasy most people have of a human like man god up in the clouds with a robe and a long white beard....
God is
mrtundra45 11 months ago
He owned her azz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
humanparadox 1 year ago
Epic owning!
12stepfailure 1 year ago
What creeps me out is when you meet an otherwise intelligent person who believes in this book. Listen, religion is a fad. When people study history in 30k years, there will be a chapter dedicated to the religous fad that lasted for 8 or 9k years, thats it.
FreeBlago1 1 year ago
LOL, this is painful. :)
GjVj 1 year ago 4
Too many Christian check their brain at the door when they go to church. Millions of Christian idots in this country dont have a clue as to how to defend their faith.
logician3 1 year ago 5
@logician3 They cant defend their faith because their "faith" is based on a ludicrous false proposition.And Tom nails the issue here."Believers" are simply intellectually challenged people who cant or REFUSE to think with logic or rationality.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago 5
bottom line: there is no god, there never was, it is always been just a belief, nothing else. want proof? notice that all major religions were all created during the era when there was no electricity, technology, airplanes, or even the knowledge that the continents of north america & south america even existed. the concept of "god" was created for the purpose of the rich & intelligent to control the stupid & the poor.
sasquatch13ja 1 year ago 18
@sasquatch13ja
lol that doesn't mean anything, you are not giving any proofs, you are just explaining facts...
badboyjmm 1 year ago
@sasquatch13ja Right on Sasquatch.There are more of us out there than they'd like you to believe.God,I'm tired of these illogical religious retards!!They're are completely brainwashed,and most of them can not be re-educated no matter how wrong they are!!Look at how Tom just mercilessly attacked her "Beliefs" with logic,and she wouldnt back down from her stupids beliefs and irrational claims about God.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
@sasquatch13ja so your saying that human kind should have waited 50.000 years and then created religion,even then researched if god is real and then decide if we should have it or not?
jnven 11 months ago
Logic wins!
thompsoncorey 1 year ago
Tom Leykis needs to come back! We need more people like him in this world!
MrOtakuman22 1 year ago 2
dont do this zooming in shit plz !!!
mikesomething 1 year ago
Tom's right.
If the so-called reasoning of religious people is correct, then an all-powerful God allows murder, rape, molestation, robbery, assault and every bad thing as well as every good thing.
Let's face it: God allowed this to happen.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago 2
@MultiSmartass1 because god let it happen you have the right to think what you want and do what you want unless people stop you from doing so . You have free will. God has given you free will. Whats the point of living if everythings good and you are not free to do what you want? Doesn't sound like fun to me!
garryanthonydsouza 1 year ago
@garryanthonydsouza So by that rationale we should all be free to do what we want without any laws. Should someone be allowed to go to your house and rape your wife, cut off your limbs, and eat your children? After all, they have free will. "What's the point of living if everything's good [did you actually say that you imbecile?] ...and you are not free to do what you want? Doesn't sound like fun to me!" WAITING...
iiwatcher 1 year ago
@garryanthonydsouza So, you like evil and nasty things because it makes the world fun and interesting?
You are one sick puppy!
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago 2
@MultiSmartass1 Tom's is not right because he doesn't take the Evil in his statement.
badboyjmm 1 year ago
@badboyjmm Evil is not some make believe, hocus pocus supernatural force but a potential that lies within the human race as a whole.
If humans can be good, then they can be evil and blaming some invisible little trickster like the so-called Devil is a convienient device, Humans have of warding off responsibility and grafting onto some nonexistent entity.
Humans don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago 2
Yes, in "God's" eyes the freewill of the serial killing rapist is MORE important than the freewill of the child being raped and then killed. Now THAT is love.....;(
Mirror4u2 1 year ago
She is a fucking dumbass cunt who can't even answer a simple question that makes sense.
ghoststalker145 1 year ago 16
@ghoststalker145 yea
thompsoncorey 1 year ago
I bet most of those 33 that died believed that God keeps them safe too.
bizzee1 1 year ago
It's a good thing Kathy isn't trying to "drive" and "think" at the same time, because she's clearly having trouble "thinking", period.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago 2
why does anyone think they know ANYTHING about religion? THEY DONT !!!
No one knows God, NO ONE, they just THINK they do !! no replies to me please with your BS
seerymseery 1 year ago
@seerymseery Exactly thank you !
badboyjmm 1 year ago
@badboyjmm Thank you too !!
seerymseery 1 year ago
@seerymseery BULLSHIT!
ogrish84 10 months ago
All the bad stuff is the work of the devil hah...
God gave free will to do what we want,
He does not use his power to control us as he promised after the flood
He sent his son to redeem all our sins. Being an investor/trader by profession, I think of it like strategical averaging down - when you are losing money and add more money to save your account. In this case he sent his son to save us.
I am not very religious and these are only my un-educated opinions.
garryanthonydsouza 1 year ago
You're right. These are only your uneducated dumbass opinions!
nederlander24 1 year ago
@nederlander24 but they contain more rationalizations than you can ever bring to the table. Cursing is the only thing ure good at.
garryanthonydsouza 1 year ago
@garryanthonydsouza
"All the bad stuff is the work of the devil"
Then why does god let it happen?
ghoststalker145 1 year ago
@ghoststalker145 that's way too easy for an explanation my friend. Reverse the quote and it doesn't make sense so your original statement is false
badboyjmm 1 year ago