Special Comment: The Fight Against Death - Part One 10-7-09

[coolglock19]

kelth olbemann i love you!!

[chellamia]

This aired again tonight on the eve of passing lousy watered down bill and it is so sad this provocative comment (which I agree 95%) that Keith Olberman is one of just a handful of mainstream media with courage to take on the cause of health care as a human right. This is not to say people don't need to get off their fat ass and take some responsibility for what choices they make in life. Need prevention and alternative modalities in some type of single payer system based on ability to pay

[conspiracy777]

LOL

Get rid of the big bad insurance companies that are run by some big bad greedy corporate thugs .... ???

This comment cracks me up!

Justify the take over of the insurance industry because of corrupt greedy people.

AND WHO THE HECK DO YOU THINK WILL TAKE IT OVER? AND WHY?

POLITICIANS ARE MORE CORRUPT THAN THE LOWEST INSURANCE COMPANY CEO! And you want THEM to be in charge of this? With no choice? .... no option?

You're taking away my right to refuse it!

Refuse and get fined

Don't pay and ..

[conspiracy777]

Besides. He's wrong about the role of government. Government is NOT in place to make us healthy or protect our health!

Government should protect my sovereign rights!

Ironically he said the government should protect it's citizen's lives ... and yet he would be the first to say that a woman can kill a child (citizen) in her womb. After all, it's HER CHOICE! right? (satire)

[ImpeachBushNow]

your employer AND Your insurance company already manage and control your care with massive beauracracy. wake up people!

[bigtex501]

Impeach,

You kinda left out a few things, didn't you?

Like... you STILL have the option to NOT pay for the insurance or choose another provider if you want!

And... until obamer Care kicks in.... you will be MANDATED to follow THEIR guidelines of what is "approved" health care.. because if you don't?

You WILL pay in additional taxes (or fines as obamer calls them) for not have Gov REGULATED insurance!

Talk about needing to WAKE UP? LOL

[motley06]

hmmm, wonder where everybody is that pokes fun at Glenn for crying on tv?...

[iamavet]

I thought this was a news media report but it is Obama's (Joseph Goebbels) report.

Keith (MSNBC village idiot) --- yawn.

If health care is a Right then so is food and shelter because having them prevents early death. According to your diatribe we must have HCare to be free of the fear of death = than we should also have free food and free housing.

[accudent1]

The comparison to free food and housing might work, if "someone" could deny you of food or housing because you have a pre-existing condition like...being hungry!! or charge you $800.00 for a Big Mac.

[RedPandaBoy]

because he's making an argument for health care to be a right... instead of pointing out that this issue is really important.

appearantly other countries with governent run health care are soo lower than our own.. They have a higher rating and cost less money.. it's sooo terrible.

If we make health care like how we make law enforcement and our army they'll be as bad as our men in uniform.. No, we should h aev private corporations run things.. like the fools that gang bang rape than lady

[bigtex501]

RedPanda,

Other countries do indeed have better ratings according to the world health organizations.... However..

You really should look at the taxation they pay for this "cost less money" health care system!

Did you know that most of these "other" countries have a National Sales Tax of 20% on top of their other taxation?

So.. if you go to, we'll say France.. be prepared to pay an additional 20% tax on ANYTHING you buy while you're there.

Sound like a good deal?

[RedPandaBoy]

If it keeps the death rate down.. I'm going to say yes, it still sounds like a good idea :). 20% on a sale tax still sounds better than paying 20 thousand dollars for medical care.

Though considering the national money go into wasteful program for defense contractors, private mercenary, and loopholes.. maybe some of that money could go for health care.

[bigtex501]

Red,

You're assuming everyone will need to pay $20,000.00 for medical care???

What if you DON'T?

Suppose you're like the majority of the people and are perfectly healthy... You'll be paying the additional tax regardless!

And it will NOT keep the death rate down! If anything, it'll INCREASE the death rate!

Did you know that obamer's plan to pay for a great portion of this plan is by CUTTING $550 BILLION from Medicare? What do YOU think will happen to the Seniors that depend on Medicare????

[RedPandaBoy]

If you get a serious disease, you would have to pay 20 thousand dollar, I think we all paying for everyone's health care is better than a small group paying for their own :)

Anyway, I'm going to assume the people under medicare will also be under that new plan. I don't think you gave all the info.. and considering you're already against it, I'll make a judgement call and say you might just push what you want instead of the truth.

[bigtex501]

Red, All the info? Ok Then do this.. Google (copy & paste) below sentences... health care reform bill will begin in 2013 at the earliest Democrats MANDATE health care insurance CBO September 16 2013 requirement for residents to obtain health insurance obama cuts BILLIONS from Medicare The goal is to reduce costs and "guide" your doctors decisions (H.R. 1 EH pages 442, 446) obama legalize illegals to get them health care Democrats declare that a Value Added Tax should be added

[bigtex501]

Red,

And the money will NOT come from other sources.... They're OUT OF MONEY NOW!!!

Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security are already bankrupt and are currently pulling money from "other" sources!

CHINA won't lend us any more money!

And... if this happens, the bills currently written are the same as Medicare.....

But... did you know that Medicare denies 6.9% of ALL CLAIMS??? The HIGHEST of ALL health care entities and they far surpass private firms that provide health insurance!

[RedPandaBoy]

boogi woogie woogie. Personally I'm thankful we didn't try to privatize social security...

I'm pretty sure something can work out... I mean, we spent millions of dollars on a pointless war and giving military contractors money to do crap.

6.9 still seems pretty small.. considering more th an 6.9% of the population is uninsured...

[bigtex501]

Red,

BTY, since it seems that you'll follow obamer's plan regardless, I do hope you know what you're doing!

But here's a fun quote to put an end to this....

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."

****** Adolf Hitler******

Have a nice day!

[RedPandaBoy]

and when we can't change soemone's mind.. we go into Hitler town. And this is why you won't be able to change anyone's mind.

Though I'm with a single payer plan.. where we eliminate insurance companies and treat funding health care much like we treat the police or other public services.

[bigtex501]

Red,

Never suggested "Hitler town" but rather a thought to think about!

But you don't get that do you?

Then again, you really don't know WHY you support any of the health care plans! You're NOT sure of what's IN the plans! You're NOT sure of the costs or taxation to follow! And you're NOT sure about what it'll cost you personally!

So in YOUR case it would be..

"how fortunate for obamer that RedPandaBoy does not think"

****obamer****

[RedPandaBoy]

depending on how they make the bill. If it's a public option, then it'll be paid for by the people that use it.. much like how we pay our insurance company.

The only real difference they'll be is... one insurance company is federal :).

You're making a lot of hay over very 'little' Though it's funny how you're worry when the cost is about health care.. when for almost 6 years we spent money on bull crap.. like iraq.

If i wasn't sure you were a conservative. I would take you seriously.

[bigtex501]

Red,

And again, it would be handy if you had read the details for yourself on the bills that show "public option" has mandates to force you into health care insurance or pay additional taxes.

If you have the bill HR 3200 it would be on page 110 since you don't believe me!

And again.. didn't YOU know that your Democrat buddies voted overwhelmingly to support the war, and then each year to fund the wars, and even NOW support funding the wars!

In fact... obamer MAY send in 20,000 MORE troops!

[RedPandaBoy]

and you're going again with the boogie woogie shout.

If you were a lil honest.. or thoughtful, you would mention that under the public option.. you would have to take the public option or keep your own insurance. If you decide not to get either, you going to the emergency woul drive up our prices, that's why you get charged

Even if people voted for the war.. it ended up being mistake.. where were you during 'that' bit of governmental waste ;p On the side that refuse to call it a mistake?

[accudent1]

How fortunate for Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity that men do not think......consider who you are listening to...two of the biggest idiots on the planet!!

[bigtex501]

Accudent,

I've only watched them a few times, so you'll need to tell me where they're wrong on their reporting?

And I should guess since you don't like those 2, you're an obamer supporter?

And if so.... what is it about this health care bill that YOU support.... and why? Of course, proving it would be real handy!

[RedPandaBoy]

20 percent more... I pay around 300 dollars worth of junk.. let's just add my bills and rent onto that.. so maybe 600 a month.. 20 percent of of th at wuold be 120 dollars.. slightly more than what I pay for, which would be 50 dollars, including a steep copayment (15 or 25 dollars per visit).. but if that wuold make health care better.. I think it would be worth it, especially if we want to get better care for cancer and that stuff :)

[bigtex501]

Red,

Now for the really BAD part... did you know that according to the Congressional Budget Office, that unless YOU fall into the guidelines of poverty... you will ONLY see a 10% SAVINGS in your health care premiums in relation to you buying it privately?

Too many people think it'll be "FREE" health care....

IT'S NOT FREE!!!!

So, let's take this 10% savings... but NOW you'll need to add on the additional 20% National Sales TAX you'll be loosing on MOST everything you buy!

Still a good deal?

[RedPandaBoy]

Now you're looping around.. first the current plan isn't socialized medicine.. it's a public option.. countries that have complete socialized medicine pay 20%

Though if we go full force with a single payer option.. I'm going to say yeha, it's a good idea.

[bigtex501]

DEMOCRAT'S PLANS???

1. FORCE you to give up your FREEDOM by MANDATING health care insurance!

2. TAXES (or fines) on those that fail to obtain "acceptable" coverage would range from $750 to $3,800 under the plan!

3. Cut Medicare to the elderly and give "FREE" coverage to ILLEGAL ALIENS!

4. INCREASE the DEFICIT by $9.8 TRILLION DOLLARS so by 2020, the deficit will be $22 TRILLION DOLLARS!

5. Pass the bill quickly so that NO ONE knows what's in the bill and NO ONE knows what they're getting!

[accudent1]

This is the problem with Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh... They can get morons to believe everything they say, and never bother to research it for themselves.....scary

[bigtex501]

THE TRUTH?

Will YOU "research" for YOURSELF?

Google (copy & paste) below sentences..

health care reform bill will begin in 2013 at the earliest

Democrats mandate health care insurance

CBO September 16 2013 requirement for residents to obtain health insurance

obama cuts billions from Medicare

The goal is to reduce costs and "guide" your doctors decisions (H.R. 1 EH pages 442, 446)

obama legalize illegals to get them health care

Democrats declare that a Value Added Tax should be added

[RedPandaBoy]

because we really have a choice in what kind of health insurance we get ... When we get a job, we get little options based on the health coverage they provide.

Through our employers we pay a little fee and can get some kind of health care.. but only if we aren't already seriously sick.

... I would go on.. but I think I want to trust a governmental service that isn't interested in making money off of me.

Unless you think we have free law enforcement and don't understand the use of taxes :)

[piedra77]

Please conact your senators and tell them to support a public option!!! thank you Keith!!

[loulairusa]

I have to confess... I cried with his passion.

Thanks Keith. You are the best!