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  • Contrary to some who have posted, I think that beating all 100 levels even WITH juggling is an accomplishment that takes at least some degree of skill. To those who call it cheating: I'm willing to bet that you searched this game on YouTube because you hadn't beat it yet and were hoping to find a strategy that would. If anything, THAT is cheating, finding out how to win without learning how to do it yourself, and would require little or effort. Stop whining and appreciate Zeul2's skill ppl! ;)

  • O and nice vid by the way Zeul2 it was most triumphant.

  • Anyone who says juggling doesn't take skill either can't do it themselves or are in complete denial....more than likely both.

  • I'm on your side Zeul2...I've played this game a fair amount and have gotten to the point where I can juggle pretty well. I can get all the way to wave 98 then those mfing air creeps get me every time....I would love to see someone build a maze that can kill just one wave of 20 creeps that have 250000+ hp without juggling. Let alone consecutive waves! No wonder there aren't any videos of it because it simply can't be done! Hence the descriptive word IMPOSSIBLE. Fuck all you juggle haters.

  • Zeul2 is clearly right. It would be like saying you shouldn't use your rooks in Chess, because it's cheating. Or if you have an ace in Poker, you should fold, because it's cheating. Or if you get a free throw in basketball, you should miss on purpose, because it's cheating. Or you shouldn't use Boost towers in DTD, because it's cheating. If you choose not to juggle to voluntarily increase the challenge, that's your choice, but it's a tactic like any other. The game was designed with it in mind.

  • What program did you use to record a video?

  • great job

  • well i wish i knew about the juggling technique before lol.

  • Boring Tactic...

  • Thank you so much, the Impossible badge has eluded me for quite some time. i didn't beat the level, but got 12k points!

    RedDragon, LOL. post a video or it didn't happen. how come there isn't even 1 other video out there?! oh thats right, because it can't be done.

    zeul, thank you again for posting this.

  • @REDRAGON12345 Well obviously a few people care, 140,000 people care enough to watch the video and 200 people (including yourself) care enough to make a comment about the video. And with regards to skill: If you dont think that completing the 100 with juggling requires any skill then I look forward to seeing your video showing how easily you can beat the 100.

  • @Zeul2 You can't really base how many people care by how many views you get. I came to this video without knowing that you used juggling, and, like Red, I lost respect for the win once I saw that you juggled. My view was still added to your view count, and, to reinforce Red's point, I don't care whether you won with juggling. No, it may not be cheating technically, but it is a cheap way to win that really doesn't require much skill. What does take skill is beating it without juggling.

  • @mjswdr You say "What does take skill is beating it without juggling." but to beat the game without juggling would take a miracle because it is impossible.

  • @Zeul2 Actually it isn't impossible. I've done it. No, I'm not going to waste my time making a video doing it again, so doubt me if you want. All it takes is strategy. And, as is usually the case when someone makes a point, you haven't addressed the actual purpose of my comment, which was that you can't base how many people care off of how many views you get.

  • @mjswdr That's ridiculous, anyone who has a decent knowledge of the game knows it is impossible without juggling. Even the game developers admit the game is IMPOSSIBLE without juggling (see my post above). So to claim you can complete the game without juggling just makes you look stupid.

    As for how many people care, i dont really care, I made this video to help people who might want to know how to complete the game.

  • @Zeul2 Relax guys/girls.... it's a game.... it's supposed to be fun...

  • @mjswdr Please man post the video of how you did it, I can't sleep thinkin of this sh... thing. This'll not be a waste of time - that will be saving my brain which is ready to blow really

  • @ezzzquire as for me btw, I think that since the developers made the destruction time increase each time you delete a tower, juggling is a part of the game regulated by developers, so it is normal. I killed loads of time trying to do this even with juggling. So if someone managed to do without it, then it's a must-see thing, isn't it?

  • @mjswdr I have done it on hard without juggling, but the 100 level is impossible without juggling. It requires way too many anti air to survive, unlike the typical hard setting. I do doubt your claim that you can do the 100 levels without jugglings. Lvels 91 and 98, the big air will kill you.

  • @REDRAGON12345 Do your friends and family know how big of an asshole you are or have you somehow managed to convince them (and yourself) that you aren't? Everything you say is wrong. Douche!

  • if Voteforhe and Zeul2 can use the same juggling, then why cant anyone else

  • beat

  • I do the facebook version and eat the 100

  • the fact you even came up with this strategy is genious, curious as to how many times you improvised to make this the final layout to your strategy

  • How many HP did the 100th wave have?

  • FLIERS SUCK

  • i hate juggling, but it's the part of the game, and it's NOT cheating. if you hate it, go play desktop defender on facebook. it doesn't rely on juggling that much.

  • 1:45 that was a nice stratagy

    i alway do stuff like that but i usally meast up

  • Zeul2 PWNs. Myst93 GTFO

  • Cheater!

    Just kidding...

  • Nice juggling.

  • what i happend whit zeul 1?

  • DUDE UR CHEATING OMFG WTF BBQ !!!

  • To whoever says juggling is cheating, IT IS NOT. It is an great way of dealing with modes with a lot of levels. The100 is impossible without juggling, and in 1.2 the 100 is impossible even with juggling anyway. @Gravedig00, for 99 Flying boss u better have some spikes to halt it, blizzards to slow it, and storms boostered to do mainly most of the damaging. See Mr. Pegleg's videos for an ideal way of KOing thy Flying boss.

  • Juggling is not cheating.

    Juggling is a strategy. Even Bubble Tanks Tower Defense says about it.

  • lol, it makes me laugh when i hear or read people saying that juggling is cheating, i have desktop tower defense for the DS and in the help section you can press a button that says juggling, it then explains what juggling is and states that juggling is necessary to complete certain game modes. so obviously juggling is not cheating and was thought of originally by the game designers.

  • Your method is pretty much FANTASTIC! And juggling isn't cheating, I would say it's using the opponent's weak point - taking the shortest route ~everytime~.

  • Excelente táctica y estrategia de juego.

  • i did it with 17311 points and 4 lives left

    thanks :D

  • That 99th level is mission impossible...

  • if juggling is cheating, why havent they done anything to stop it in later versions?

  • what are you going to do to stop it ?, you have to be able to sell towers.

  • you all know that juggling is technically cheating. When the game was thought up, "juggling" to beat the levels was not thought of obviously. So when you say that the 100 challenge was completed,...technically it was, yes, but you still had to use a means other than just building towers, so your maze wouldn't be able to be used by just anyone. In other words, if I saw how your maze was laid out without the creeps moving, I wouldn't be able to use it unless I knew your juggling pattern.

  • haha so your saying its impossible to complete the 100 without jugging? Yes it is you stupid fuck, juggling is not fucking cheating.

  • I have proved time after time juggling is not cheating, but people continue to give the same ignorant arguments. Let me explain one more time. Cheat is defined by Google dictionary as someone who does'nt follow a set of rules that they should be obeying. There is no rule against juggling. Also, I emailed the creators about the issue. They said if juggling was not available the game would be impossible and if they thought juggling was cheating they would have removed it. Juggling is just a tactic

  • @Zeul2 oh yea he got told! SERVED!!

  • @Zeul2 Lol you are a cheater for not following grammar rules (doesn't not does'nt)

  • @Zeul2 i know this is just bumping on an old thread but... Its not that its cheating its just that its a cheap tactic and putting no cheats into the title implys that you have just built your maze and didnt use any cheesy tricks. because anybody can do what your doing.

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  • nice and LOL spam lv 100 xD

  • I just started playing yesterday. I noticed that the creeps adjusted their path as the layout changed and I thought about incorporating this into a strategy but felt like I was cheating... I guess this is considered legitimate?

  • it is almost impossable, i mean, you still leak on air even with all that? ...

  • awesome! Juggling! :X

    idiotic

  • cool

  • one word describes this strategy... juggling

  • Nice job.

    is the only way you can win really by juggling? :( omg i always wanted to make a real COMPLETE way, in the 10k mode. this is actually... sad

  • wow the only way you beat this is by juggling?

    sad......

  • this is good, but i can't get past the 60th levels without this tactic. is it possible to get to 100 that way?

  • Good one, fighting with this mode since 2 weeks. I will try your tactic now... ^^

  • omg you are so smart, why didn't i think of that

  • i love the way you keep removing the pellet in the top right corner to keep them all bunched up

  • lol, they go back and forword when you sell them agian, lol.

  • very good ^^

  • lol u kept on movin them back and forth.

    gj!

  • ingenius

  • Brillant.

  • why are they blue?(sorry)

  • I've gotten to 87 without juggling... pretty sure it's impossible

  • thats awesome

  • hey man what was the main source of your damage?

    I see that you did juggling but did you really just have that one bash tower and a bunch of level 1 pellot towers?

  • Yes, the main source of damage for ground creeps was just a single Quake tower. Dont underestimate the fully upgraded Quake tower which does 2000dmg every three seconds to all mobs in range, so if there is 20 creeps in range thats 40,000dmg per blast!

    The reason I only use one Quake tower is because ground mobs are not the problem and can be handled easily over time by juggling. Building any more than one Quake tower would just be taking money away from the real threat... FLYERS!

  • Thanks man. By the way, selling the pellet tower can cause very long sell times so if your good (like you are) you can plan ahead when you need to sell.

    But if you aren't very good, you can (for a little more money) replace the pellet tower with a snap tower and just fire that when you need to switch it.

  • First great achievement this game really is tough to beat and can get really frustrating if you trying to figure it out for days.

    Just my question, you say you don`t want to waste money on killing the ground troups but wouldnt it bring more money to build a second fully upgraded Quake tower then it would cost building it? Thats the experience I made but it might be that you are better at jugling and therefore can use the one Quake tower more effectively.

  • With bring more money I mean you would get more money from killing more ground units that you could use for fighting the flyers than it cost you to build the Quake tower.

    Cause thats key I think to find the right balance of safing money to defend the flyers and building towers to get more money from the ground units.

    Would be great to get yur opinion on this.

  • @Zeul2 thank you for posting your game. I never saw juggling as cheating. I had worked out that the Flyer's were the real threat but didn't realize the bash towers ability. Great job!

  • fucking smart idea man!

  • awebo esa TECNICA NO ES TRAMPA, muy bien hecho, y manda la goma a todos los que te dicen tramposo saludos.. juggling IS NO CHEAT!!!

  • very nice tactics, well done.

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  • massive juggle lol awesome

  • Nicely done. 5 stars.

  • This is a clever idea, I wish I had thought of it myself, thank you for posting 5 stars.

  • well done, ive always been getting out around 78. that juggling idea is a good one, cheers for posting.

  • I'm pretty sure its impossible to beat The 100 without juggling. And juggling is still mad hard at the really high levels. I tried the technique in the video and managed to get to 84 before getting raped by the flying creeps.

  • its still cheating in a way, but then again this game cant be beaten whiout going around the corners a bit :P

  • its not cheating if it within the parameters of the game..

  • lol make them go back and forth until they die!!!

  • Wow. My brain hurts. Nicely done.

  • Juggling is not cheating, true

    But Juggling is lame, true challenge is to beat without juggling

  • wow i spelled obnoxious wrong what is wrong with me today?!?!? lol :p

  • thats how i do it when i play. i make an abnoxious maze for them to go through so it gives me more time before they reach the end lol. it doesnt exactly work as well with the flying units though... :( ive never beaten the 100. :( (more sad faces!!!) :( :(

  • yeah thats how i did it

  • That's clever to send them back and forth.

  • stylish :d

  • Smart making them change their way when u sell and put a new tower in the bottom right =]

  • lol it's called juggling.

  • lol - anyone who says juggling is gay should try this challange without juggling - i´ve never seen one!!! this walktrhough is great! thanks man!

  • fuck me, that is great. :)

  • this is so boring, should have added music :D

  • Or play your own **smacks play button on WMP**

  • my goodness, the nerd rage in this comment thread

  • your amazing I could barly make it past 30!!!!

  • This is the best strategy I've seen. The way you sell/build towers simultaneously so that the creeps can go to another lane quickly is smart

  • Wow too good!

  • nice work man, how long did it take you to master this maze? I have only got to like level 35 I usually play with 10K and only get to like level 50 , takes a lot of patience, also what is your peoples problem with "juggling" seriously its part of the game its a "strategy" get over yourselves

  • You can imagine it took a long time, probably close to a month.

    Copy the method, pay close attention the very limited amount of ground damage and the juggling method and you will be blasting past level 50 in no time, good luck.

  • Cwlovell13, if you bothered to read all the comments you would see we have already proved that juggiling is not cheating.

  • Well then you are an idiot. I emailed the developers of the game and asked them wether juggling was cheating. To which they said its impossible to complete "the 100" without juggling, and they would have removed the ability to juggle if was cheating. So dont be so ignorant, it simply is not cheating.

  • You can whine and bitch all you like about juggling. However, the developers tell me it's not cheating to juggle, since it is their game, it is their rules. Juggling is not cheating, and that fact is irrefutable. I think that finishes this argument quite succinctly.

  • Sure, I copied the idea of juggling, but I had never seen anyone complete "the 100" before me, although I am sure many have. I was not aiming to look cool, I just wanted to share the method with other people in the DTD community because I am a huge fan of the game.

    So yes I may be lazy and unoriginal but I know one thing even more lazy and unoriginal, and that's coming her just to start flaming about juggling...

  • though you gota admit his point about you using thesaurus is pretty good fact and quite funny.

  • 'Lazy and Unoriginal' what the heck do you mean by that? even if he did get a thesaurus, that would show unlaziness by bothering to get a thesaurus.

  • it's funny how people names every possible method to complete certain games "cheat" or "cheap", when they themselves are unable to find any non-cheating ways to complete the game.

    Sad, really.

  • Whats sad is that people still think that juggling is in some way cheating, since I have clearly proved in this thread that juggling is not cheating!

  • ur an idiot, its just ur ego and stuburnos talking...

    juggline is technaicly not a cheat

    but scepticly is and the majority think it is 2........

    x

  • lol "Juggling is technically not a cheat" your words not mine. The developers say that juggling is not cheating. So I am glad we agree!

  • I dont really understand why people get so worked up and upset about it. Its a part of the game, get over it!

  • yeah, juggling is indeed more strategic than not doing it, you have to sell and place the towers at precise moments to avoid letting the creeps spread wide; and when flying comes you have to let the creeps move away from your strong point so some other towers can focus on the flying creeps

  • lol how come i'm getting thumbs down i was actually trying to say that juggling is not a cheat/cheap method but sad people just names every way of beating the game cheat or cheap. If it's really the case, i don't see why this game does not ban juggling.

  • the DS version of this game shows the "Juggling" tactic in the tutorial. =)

    So we can assume that it was intended.

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  • whoa. i beat it using a self made insanely hard tactic, but this is soooo easy. awesome work

  • This is so smart.  I never thought of this before.

  • I didn't cheat. You are wrong "again" about my damage, I have 1 Quake, 4 Blizzard, and 65 pellet towers. The Quake tower alone inflicts 2000 damage every 3 seconds, sometimes damaging 20-40 mobs at once. A level 50 = 5000life.

    The real challenge here is killing the flyers NOT ground mobs which are pretty easy. You won't kill the flyers without having the best configuration of boost, storm and snap towers. If your configuration doesn't work, then try one that does work like mine. Good luck.

  • ooo so thats wat juggling is... so cool :D

  • Zomg thats so smart :D

  • why not put squirts in the middle upgraded and not resort to juggling so fast?

  • ... Because its a waste of time and money. You cannot complete it with squirt towers so why bother.

  • So smart guy... I do it :D...

  • LOL, Good IDEA! I like the removing towers and putting them back to confuse the creeps! I never thought of that haha.

  • Dude good idea do you mind if i use it?

  • Excellent job. Great that you did it with no squirt towers.

  • I emailed Paul, one of the co-founding developers of Desktop Tower Defence. I would like to quote from his reply.

    "Juggling is a requirement for the 100 so what else can you do." Paul

  • i thought it was "no cheating"???

    cuz i see some juggling

  • You are actually cheating and title only gives you views. You fucking suck.

  • i don't see how you can kill those last guys w/o juggling

  • i can only get to lvl 57 but i dont do the juggling

  • can this game be downloaded

  • i dont believe so

  • Maybe you can save the webpage or check your temporary internet files for the flash files.

  • whoa

  • wow that was hardcore, gj

  • There is nothing wrong with Juggling (or making the creeps turn around by altering the path), This is cool, but it is also cool to see how far you can get without juggling.

  • soz just realised lol

  • wot is juggling and wot does it do??????

  • juggling just means you have 2 paths and 1 tower covering 1 path when the creeps go down far into the path that the tower isent blocking you quickly delete it off of the other path and replace it on the second path causeing the creeps to go all away around and repeating

    but the sell timer makes this process alot harder

  • man, that was incredible!

  • Even if you do juggling, you probably can't beat those flying things.

  • It's exactly what I was thinking. This guy is cool.

  • haha, this is all juggling, but i don't see anything wrong in it... it is an upgraded version, so if it was suppose to be illegal, it wouldn't exist, the makers would make selling towers and stuff longer.

    this is just strategies. more to you

  • lol lvl 99 air almost had u killed.

  • this is an Old version of dtd. In newer version u can't sell towers as fast as in old versions. So this design wouldn't work.

  • Nope. I nearly finished it using this as a guide. Stage 92; 11,900 points (sigh:badge). But yeah, it works. You just need to pay attention.

  • The shape of the maze = decent

    Juggling ability = decent

    The move on the far left of the screen that keeps the creeps clumped together = genius

  • Map I use that's a little different than this might be easier for people. I make my intial path a little shorter, so that if both pathways are open the creeps will always go for that path. It helps reduce the number of times you have to juggle.

  • I can get to lv 70-75 w/o juggle, but I can never make it any further. This is a great example of how this game can be beaten.

  • The argument that "juggling" is cheating is really quite weak. The game developers set the rules, if they didn't want to allow juggling then they would find a way to restrict it through the mechanics of the game; not allowing the creeps to turn around for example.

    The game developers allow juggling, therefore it simply is not cheating.

  • Not only that, but it takes a lot of skill to juggle/condense properly, so it's actually becomes a necessary part of beating the 100!

  • Not to mention every time you delete a building, the delete timer gets longer and longer.

    That's basically the games way of saying "Oh you can juggle, but we won't make it easy on you." It shows a clear thought of juggling into the game mechanics to beat the 100.

  • Why mention "no cheat" in brackets though, why not just say "juggeling" because you know full well that alot of people find juggeling to be cheating adn therefore are going to assume you actually beat the thing without juggeling given the title.

  • I did not realise juggling was such a big issue for so many people until I uploaded this video. The reason I put "no cheat" was because I have seen alot of hacked versions of the game on youtube.

  • Juggling is a strategy. People complaining are doing it for no reason. You hit it on the head a few comments back. The developers could slow you down a LOT if they didn't care about juggling.

  • It is not possible to beat The 100 without juggling, so doing it with juggling and without cheat code cannot really be called cheating.

  • That was a nice maze!

  • Juggling is a gay word, couldnt u call it different?

  • skills

  • whats juggling?