@tonycstech Tree rings go back 10,000 years. The oldest town is 12,500 years old, Ice cores go back 100,000 years. Where were you when they handed out the science books.
I like your video, very biblically based. I try to discern the immense wisdom from people like John MacArthur, he is in disagreement. But I am confounded when I see ancient structures on the planet. I really dont know and I dont think it matters, but I tend to agree, there is certainly evidence out there that begs one to question the ability of the earth to be younger than 6000 years. Confusion is not of God.
God ordained that there are things we were not meant to know in this life. No matter what the "scientists" think. I'd rather wait 'til, like Christ says "you will be like the angels of heaven". I believe it's worth striving for. This world is not where it's at. Obvious to some, scoffed at by others. Either Christ is who he says he is (God) or not. There is no middle ground. Choose wisely.As we look back to the beginning, the first problem was sin (disobedience) this is the problem. always has be
Maybe God created the universe the week before he created the Earth. No, it would've taken quite a bit longer. Maybe he spent a month or two on that one. Then had a whole week off.
The guy of this video is great , but something is wrong with him this time.
1)" The angels existed before the begining. (Titus 1.2)". I understand that before the beginning only existed God.
2) "We dont know how long the beginning took place". I understand the beginning is the period of time that God created the universe, and that was in six Earth days.
3) "we dont know how long was the "day"". the period between evening and morning. Much knowledge mislead the wise?
We live in an age where Gods blashemed and disrepected, Everyone is so blinded by satan that people believe God cant possibly be real.Just cause you cant see God doesnt mean hes not real, for example, Once you were a child you believed in Santa, who could deliver 800 kids presents drink milk eat cookies inside a second, You couldnt see him but you believed in him, another example, Can you see the wind, Gravity, But you believe its there, even though who havent seen it, I know you can see the
effects by it, But you can also read the Bible, effects that have changed muderers rapists drug dealers lifes, Once they belive in his word. How can you this our beautiful universe was created by a big bang, You know i thought a big bang destroyed stuff not create a beautiful universe, Like in the psalms, David says we are wonderfully and fearfully made, and you believe soup creatd us, Ok so if explode my house, ill then see a beautiful mansion?Look around if we were created by chance, contiued
then were not special, were nothing important, you know some people commit suicide because of thought. But GOD sent HIS SON to DIE on the cross to take our punishment, Gods son getting beat by the hands of me, Jesus didnt have to go through with it, he could of destroyed them, but he didnt he took the punishment and hell for you, I know youll find this hard to understand as your decieved.Thats how special we are, Even though sined against him, blasheme him, mock him, he still loves us continued
he still loves us to the end of eternity which easily forever, to the end of eternity, Now thats everlasting love, We are all sinners yet christ died for us, So yes we are special very special, That he would give up his son for muderers every sin you can possibly think of because he loved us. If you have anymore questions just ask, God does not contradict himself, If you say he does, YOUR WRONG, and if you think im lying ask me and ill happily answer it. next post will have a verse
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16.
Please no blasheming or crude remarks, if you have question ask it, if your going to be rude and blashemy, dont bother replying as i dont want OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR DISREPECTED
@hEpTiiCMinKz Zeus the God of the gods also lost a son to the physical world, before making him a god. Why is greek mythology any less important or valid to a mythology that came after that one? It seems christianity is just the last surviving mythology in our modern times. If greek gods were still revered to this day, we would all be talking about the inconsistencies in that belief system. It is all about what is relative and legitimate functional knowledge in our world today.
@marcopolo3001 Errrm... last surviving mythology? The hindus, buddhists, zoroastrians, shinto and scientologists would probably have something to say about that.
I agree with you though, they're all as valid as each other, even scientology.
How can so many people believe in a magical being that made everything. The primordial soup and the beginning of life according to scientist makes your head spin, but you can accept that a magical and beautiful being could come into existence before this. Read your scriptures, see that they are flawed and written by men. Jealous and insecure men, scared of everything. You would think the realization that the Earth is not orbited by the sun would be enough to convince you that we created god.
The Recovery Version of the Bible has a footnote on Revelation 4:10 that the "elders" around the throne of the Creator are the "elders" not of the church nor of Israel. They are oldest created beings, angelic "elders" who were the first and oldest lives created by God. I believe this is true. They are 24 elders of creation. The number may be mostly symbolic.
@JohnnyRock2000 JUST so you know, God can do anything but does not sin as hes a holy and just God, So please dont be smart and say im contradicting myself, cause im not, The christian God? HES THE ONLY GOD.OH AND HE NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL SIN!
@JohnnyRock2000 God can do anything but he does not sin as hes a holy and just God, GOD WILL NEVER EVER SIN HE NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL!!!!And dont say im contradicting or anything one for that matter cause you know im not!
By the way if none of yous arent interested then why are you watching this video and posting comments, Your all trying to make it look like you dont believe it by your comments but you really looking for answers
@hEpTiiCMinKz If he is holy and just, why did he create sin in the first place? Or are you going to try to argue that he didnt, that sin always existed, even before god? God CREATED sin. A sin is so because god said it is so. Leastwise that's what your crazy faith would have us believe.
he did it so a few thousand years later he could send his kid down to beat the crap out of him then slaughter him to make up for holding a 4000 year old grudge about one poor diet choice by two innocents. Of course how bad could it have been since he was hi sown kid and he is god...it was so much easier then saying "ya know, I've been thinking I gotta let go of this anger ya'll are forgiven.. now party down!!
wow! i have to say that i like your style of teaching ..it's both inspiring and very moving in terms how the spirit of the Lord is working through you! May the Lord continue to bless your intellect and humble ways of teaching. The Lord is using you my brother in ways that you have yet to realized. Remember to remain humble and give him the all the glory , cause all the talents and gifts belong to Him we are just the instrument of His doings .
You say "I find watching paint dry to be a more engrossing activity than wasting my time with religion".
That's a good sound bite but I wouldn't agree for several reasons. First, it is absolutely fascinating how otherwise sane people can delude themselves by believing utter nonsense. Dan Dennett has discussed this.
Second, by debating these people I find I am learning more about logic, psychology and communication in the process.
I am familiar with Dan's work and I agree with you about how illogical it seems that admittedly sane people find it completely normal to believe in imaginary friends. I maintain a weekly "chat" with my local jehova's witnesses and to be honest I find that arguing with them is as useful as mud guards on a boat, but I must say they get full marks for ignoring every single bit of evidence that contradicts their scriptures. Call me arrogant, but I think they are nuts.
Thanks for you comment. I used to have Jehovah's Witnesses visiting regularly. They seemed to have all the time in the world and nothing could shake them. It was as if they were brainwashed. Sad, really.
@weedsmokingatheist Please see my Christian channel and tell me if my God sounds like the same God as you worship?-A lot of people talk against Muslims but I think when we speak of our Gods, it is actually the same God and the same accounts.You use different words than the Bible but the meaning seems the same to me.You have a creation that agrees with mine,you have a major flood-so does my Bible,etc... Please check me out and tell me what you think. Are they the same God or not?
@MeGaPixEliT Well then. Next time you go to the doctor and he recomends you take a medicine, disagree with him and tell him that you will not let science say what's true or not. When your computer breakes or your internet connection fails, tell the technician that he's wrong and you will not let sciece say what's correct or not. When some hurricanes, floods or earthquakes are about to strike your city and you see it in a forecast. Don't run, don't let science tell you what to do.
@MeGaPixEliT So you dont believe Jamaica exists, you can only assume that, because you've never been there, and you cant believe totally what other people that comes from jamaica says, because you never know, since there is a chance they may not be telling you the truth. You really have to travel all over the world to know for a fact that all the countries, states, regions, mountais and rivers that are presented in the books are really there, right?
@MeGaPixEliT Because you dont have to the shoot in the face to know it will kill you. You don't have to experience something if you can get to that conclusion. For example, Pluto's year is 200 years long (or something close to that, I really cant remeber) but we just know the existence of Pluto for like 150 years. Even so we can, by observation, know as a fact that it takes 200 years to go around the sun.
@MeGaPixEliT FALSE. Any scientific discovery must be aproved by peer review. You have no ideia of what science is. Any claim must be observed and reproduced anywhere by anyone.
@MeGaPixEliT any evidence for your belief that knowledge understanding and memory exist in some soul thing that is separate from the mind. I highly doubt it, but there is evidence for the brain being the thing contains memories, knowledge, and understanding. Atheist understand and accept that we dont know everything, we just dont believe in things without good reason or evidence. This is something that theist completely lack so of course we dont believe your claims.
you may want to do a lil research on the brain and Conciseness before you make statments like that. And no atheist dont "just think science can explain everything that cannot be seen. The bible is not a literal work. those who try to convince themselve that it is are either in denial or lack the will to see things for what they really are. talking snakes and 6 day creations wouldnt cut it if another religon claimed it so why do you believe it.
Genesis is fiction:Most bible colleges teach it`s allegory:As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global & the flood prevailed the highest peak
Consider also what the Bible says about the earth. At Job 26:7, we read: [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing. Compare this with Isaiah 40:22, There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth. The picture conveyed of a round earth hanging upon nothing in the empty place reminds us strongly of the photographs taken by astronauts of the sphere of the earth floating in empty space.
I find it interesting that with all the talk about what the bible says, no one ever brings up ISAIAH 40:26, "Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of DYNAMIC ENERGY, he also being VIGOROUS IN POWER, not one [of them] is missing." If GOD did create the universe, this statement is scientifically sound...we know the source of all matter is ENERGY!
@usedbrain "How long will these people treat me with contempt? How long will they refuse to believe in me, in spite of all the miraculous signs I have performed among them?"- Numbers 14:11
Scientists have recently discovered a 60-million-year-old ancient crocodile fossil, must have been a fake because the bible says the Earth is young. Stupid scientists, they should consult the Bible first before conducting these ridiculous explorations.
the text in 1st minute sounds like a line from a fantasy book. It would be funny if the bible was just a fantasy book that was taken a little too serious by some people and ended up as a religion.
Yeah too bad there's way too many gaps to be able to possibly pinpoint a date in the text. Once we look over to science, we clearly see the Bible is talking about approximately 50,000 years ago for the Creation of Adam & Eve.
@smartwarlord Exactly. Don't they see that the earth/heavens were already created (possibly eons ago) before the first man walked on the planet? Can't they read what it says? Are they blind?
Besides the minutia Their is no doubt in MY mind that you are the lords and he is in your heart. Someone telling me that was not true about you, would be much more worthy a person or me to argue with. How have you been my friend? How are the classes going? What else have you been up to lately?
It isn't the about our estimation WE are worth it, or yours that we are NOT. It is a gift the value of which is redeemed upon its acceptance. The value of which Jesus felt was "to die for" and one with warranty that lasts for an eternity.
He did what is so hard for so many of his creation, he was "arrogant" enough to trust without the benefit of eye witness account the testimony given in the Bible that although he is merely a speck of dust in that huge universe, God so loved him, that he gave his only begotten son to pay for his salvation given as the only solution to mans inevitble predicament. a condition by faith, that guarantee his "value" was of one worth saving.
I love it when the creationist fight amongst each other over who has the correct vision of the fairytale. Its a creation myth, not a newspaper article, dolts. NephilimFree and bigwhammy put together have a combined IQ of 90, tops.
Notice also the Hebrew צבא (tsaba'), Strong's # H6635, occurs 485 and is used mostly to describe armies or war in OT. It literaly means "soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare)." Also descriptive of the Angels Matthew 26:53 "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and He shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. SCRIPTURE INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE. is it clearer now -LUV
The term "stars" is the figurative language to refer to the literal meaning "HOSTS" "a mass of persons" - The Word "tsaw-baw" literaly means - the mass of Hosts (of heaven) = Angels your'e having dificulty seperating "Eternity" and "time" - there is no time (in the sense as we know it) in eternity- The Lord made time, material and the "dimensions" of "the heavens" (including thier hosts) by the 7th day. - Many cults teach a creation before creation. Your'e on a slipery slope. LUV
Another set of verses we would all do well to consider. In context to the relation between interdimensionalities, The literal meaning behind the figurative text of Jude 1:6"And ANGELS who did not keep their own domain,but abandoned their proper ABODE" & 2 Cor 5:2 "longing to be clothed with OUR DWELLING from heaven" Greek (oikētērion)occurs only 2x They are in direct relation to one another. Jesus said John 14:2 "I go to prepare a place for you". These are representations of things to come
diamy00 - in respect to 2Peter 1:19-20. I you should practice what you preach - It is not up to YOU to decide what is symbolic. THAT is private interpretation. God said what He meant - you can bend His word to fit your mind but you do so to your own demise. LUV
Just because you don't see the answers written in scripture does NOT mean it isn't there. - We must bend our minds to God's Word NOT bend God's Word to fit our mind. LUV
YES we re told when the Angels were created - They were created on THE 4TH DAY. Gen 1:14-18 Angels throughout ALL of scripture are synonomous with STARS (Light bearers). There was NO "eternity past" EVERYTHING was mde in 6 days. GEN 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and ALL THIER HOSTS.(always reffered to as angels) BY the seventh day God completed His work which He had done," The angles were there as The Lord was laying the foundations NOT "before" he laid them.
The Bible states in Gen. 1:14 that the "mehorah" (lights) were created, this is NOT "malawk" or "angelos" (messenger/ "angel")
Although you might like to say that the "stars" can be symbolic of "angels" or "prophets" in that they were both given as lights in darkness and for signs- that can be an interesting spiritual parallel BUT the ACTUAL TEXT is not subjective to your fancy.
It is not me "liking" to say that stars can be symbolic of angels. It is not an "interesting spiritual parallel" that is LITERALLY what God's Word says over and over as to make no mistake about it.
Gen 2:1 "their host"- "host" is "tsaw-baw" it means: mass of persons or figurative things.
so what did God finish making?
answer: the earth, the space/time dimension and every material thing that belongs to it (stars, moons, planets, galaxies, light, air, dust, monkeys, etc.)
so because heavenly angels are not part of the physical space/time dimension, they are not part of the "their" which was describing everything in the material universe "their host"
the Lord dwells in the Heavens however, His spirit Literally dwells within His elect. You can not seperate God from His creation,We,likewise are both here in the material AND Eph 2:6 raised up with Him, and seated with Him in the heavenly places in Christ.The angels are literally here within this dimension as well as there-Consider the theory of Quantum Entaglement in relation to 2 Kings 6:16-17The angles were already there but Elisha's servant could not see them. A veil was over his eyes/heart
re: So we know for a fact that angels existed prior to earth. So a period of unaccounted time went by
Why? If the angelic beings are non-temporal and non-physical, then why do you assume that God could not create them....."before"....he created the physical space/time universe. They don't require our universe to exist, and neither does God.
There is no gap in the Scriptures, only in the limited mind of man.
example: how much time went by before God created the universe?
In a non-latin translated bible(non-KJV) Lucifer is just called the day-star. It is based on a local fireside story throughout the mideast about Venus (the morning-star) who tries to climb high into the sky in arrogance cause he's brighter than the other stars, and then it outshown by the sun. Its a bad translation that equated Lucifer with Satan. Also all of these definitions of a king of tyre sounds like coloquialisms about a king who everyone loved and then got arrogant and did evil.
to finish what i mean. i mean that saying that God does "anything" is wrong. he does nothing. everything is done as he has always had it done. because it was never at any point done but yet is done. thus is the problem of god. he cannot do anything because everything is constant. decided never, simply existing eternally as he has no time.
your video is rather meaningless then. since you speculate god having time. yet he doesn't. he exists as a concept for theology and nothing else.
you cannot say that god did, thought, felt, or anything within a certain "time". as you explained yourself, god transcends time. to him, there is no difference between now, a year ago, or a billion years in the future. he is omni[everything] and thusly maintains mentality as well as consciousness throughout the entirety of existence. consequently, god cannot do anything at any particular moment but rather works at a "speed" beyond our time scale. to god, everything is constant and unstoppable.
Absolutely not. Its junk psuedoscience based on naturalistic assumptions. The truth is more like...
Man devloved into a lower being when he sinned. Through Jesus Christ you can begin the process of changing back or *evolving* into what God intended for you. This won't be fully realized on earth but it clear that will probably actually go up in dimensionality when we receive glorified bodies.
First, there is no difference between micro and macro evolution. You can take one step or ten thousand steps; it's still walking.
Evolution is not a transformational process from worse to better. Species diverge; an isolated group, for instance can become a distinct species, having split from the rest. This is not a case of lower and higher, just...divergent.
Nature is variable, branching off, not going from lower to higher.
well there is a difference but you believe they are seamless, I do not. species can't be a good term when describing differing forms of life because there is no difference in that sense( an ant an a human are different species; but so are dogs and wolves).
I believe in speciation, but not to the extent that an animal can change into different kind of animal; this has not been observed. I see what you mean though--that evolutionists , I dont think this day, claim that evolution is going necessarily to higher forms of life...just variable forms of life in order to adapt better. but I was asking BWR if he thinks so. adaptation is observed the latter is assumed with forensic data; not observed or demonstrable.
The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?'
He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?' But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"
What do you suppose wheat was called by many before we knew we could eat it and make cereal and cakes with it ?
Before I knew what it was, it looked like a weed to me. Just a thought. I wonder if God will hold it against me that so many of the weeds were so hard to disntinguish from the wheat. I think it is what is according to my heart he knows me and splitting hairs in a literal sense whether it is between wheat, hair or weeds, misses the point entirely
you're estimation of your own worth is a bit arrogant considering you are just a speck of dust in a huge universe with many other people. What have you done for God that he should consider you?
What's this, we're playing Yugioh or something? I was talking about BWR's god bringing death to humanity as an example to angles. He has form on this, to be sure, as in killing Job's servants and family to prove a point to Satan.
...and he's the GOOD GUY of the Bible???
It's wrong to use people merely as a means to an end; people around the world acknowledge this. BWR's god behaves in a manner that most people would consider immoral. Glad he doesn't exist.
You assume that death is the end. But its not. So your objections fail to have any merit. In light of eternity the little sufferings of this earth are trivialities and will be forgotten. This brief life is a test - a test of how you will respond to God and it all goes on your permanent record. How are you doing so far?
@bigwhammyRocks "You assume that death is the end." And theists assume that it is not the end. But based on what we know happens to the brain and consciousness once that biomechanical computer goes offline, the electrical signals stop and the consciousness is no more.
If you were to smash your computer into fine dust, your software would not survive the destruction of the hardware. Consciousness does not survive the destruction of the brain.
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
You have a humanistic definition what good is. You have no idea what its like to hear every thought of every human alive. So you really can't judge what the overall "good" is. Sometimes pain is necessary to grow and only in retrospect can you see that it was "good" for you. Good is often the enemy of what is BEST.
Comfort & convenience is not always "good" for the big picture. I don't know what you final fate will be, I was critical myself and might have made a similar remark 10 years ago.
3For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
(Rom 8)
It's something you have to decide for yourself. The answer is based on your response to his Son.
Not so. Many many people will testify otherwise. I personally have great victory over what I used to be compelled to do. And I don't take any credit for it. God literally changes you from the inside out. It is the reason we are so confident. We absolutely know God is real - but you can't see it from the outside - it does require faith to get started - its an inside job. Literally
Especially for those found guilty of it. Note that your personal horror is a good place to start. And the fact you don't like something in no way implies it isn't very very real. It is.
Good luck with that "I just didn't like the rules" defense when you face a HOLY God in judgement .... and soon.
I simply don't believe in him, your god. Not because I am wicked or evil; I just don't accept it. it doesn't make any sense to me. Do you think I deserve to suffer for that?
You don't seem to understand. Adultery is usually wrong, because you hurt and betray a loved one. That's immoral. But no one is hurt by taking the Lord's name in vain. No one is hurt if you make graven images. These things are not wrong, in any moral sense. They are just disobedient. As history shows, obedience over-rated.
It depends what you mean by that, but generally no, I can't see anything wrong with it. Obviously staring with your tongue hanging out isn't very nice. Or if looking lustfully means planning to cheat.
But if you're single, and she's single, and she likes you and looks back...well there's not a thing wrong with that, is there?
This assumes eternal life is something that must be earned in the first place or that it even COULD be earned.
Adam and Eve chose to want the experience of knowing what it is to have to earn it but the bottom line is the only eternity we relinquish is the opportunity their is for where we will spend an eternal life with God or without God or where you may be placed to Judge the angels themselves
I suppose by "tradition of men" your implying that "young" earthers are clinging to an outdated belief system. "
Yes exactly. I am sure you are sincere, but I believe you are in error to cling to YEC. My view is based on ancient Hebrew language scholarship not just science. Genesis 1 is widely misunderstood. See part 2 which is a response to this.
I really am a novice when it comes to the topic of YE v. OE. But, I am familiar with the Latin Fathers of the Church, and there is generally a view that the text of Genesis 1 is allegorical, though there are certainly exception opinions to the contrary. When we let the Bible lead our thinking and the broad opinions over the centuries of Church history be our guide, taking either the literal or allegorical view are both perfectly orthodox, at least in my view, but I am willng to be corrected.
Exodus 20:11 is explained in part 2. It just isn't about what you think it is.
Basing your opinions on English translations viewed through your modern point of view leads to these erroneous conclusions. Please watch part 2 it is all explained. God bless.
Angels:The Old Testament also speaks of cherubim ( and seraphim (e.g., in the vision of Isaiahs calling, Isa. 6:17).The angel of the Lord (Heb. mal˒aḵ yhwh), also called the angel of God or the angel of his presence (Isa. 63:9), is sometimes distinguished from God, but at other times they are the same.
Myers, A. C. (1987). The Eerdmans Bible dictionary. Rev., augm. translation of: Bijbelse encyclopedie. Rev. ed. 1975. (56). Grand Rapids, Mich.
bigwham: Whatever paradigm of behavior you're insisting I follow I don't know it. Jesus' rebuke of Pharoahs and money changers,Paul's rebuke of Peter Gal2,are Biblical examples to model-not an effeminate whimper will that tries to get people to like him.Lothair commenced the condemnatory exchanges I simply and frankly told him the truth.The problem is not about wings.The gravity of the issues lies in that the idea comes from Paganism-which God expressly forbids our participation in. Deu 12.
bigwham: Do you think it a small thing to incorporate Pagan ideas into your teaching? Spreading fairy tales rooted in Canaanite magic does not become one claiming seriousness in studying the Word of God. Nice of you to do the research. I'm glad you now see that the scholars themselves simply only 'call' them angels when in fact Seraphs and Cherubs are NOT angels. A little leaven invades all. Roman Paganism has led to a great abuse of the Sheep and harm upon the Body of Christ.
The Jewish Encyclopedia has an indepth article on 'Angelology', that is worth a read. One thing jumped off the page at me. In the book of Daniel [10:5,6] there is a description on an Angel whose eyes are 'LAMPS OF FIRE'. That very same description of the Seven Spirits of God appears in Bk of Rev 4:5. So, while Prohoridzo claims that the word 'Lampas' never refers to Angels, it looks like Scripture has proven him wrong. Here are the pertinent verses [Isa 6; Dan 10:4,5; Rev 4:5,15 & 17].
Lothair: Once again you eisegete only your conjured imagination. There is NO mention of an Angel in Dan.10. You are lying once again.
You still have not proven Angels have wings. When you so flippantly mocked me for stating that Angles had no wings, you have still not proven through EXEGETICAL EVIDENCE that they do.
That makes you a mocker and a liar by YOUR OWN WORDS. That means you incriminate yourself, I have nothing to do with it other then point it out in rebuke to you.
Hey idiot. I was quoting an article from the Jewish Encyclopedia. Once again, you prove that your rhetoric is about as convincing as your biblical knowledge.
It appears that the only exegetical evidence you accept is your own dim understanding of the verses you do not to know very well.
Ya know, for someone who is a 'condemned liar' and 'rebuked for mocking the word', I feel confident that you have gotten spanked in this discussion.
Do you really think that you're at all presuasive?.
And more....in Daniel 10:11, the man identifies himself as the man who is 'sent' [Hb שׁלח 'shâlach']. Isn't that your definition of an Angel? One sent with a message? So, an honest exegesis of these verses in Daniel could easily see the image as describing an Angelic visit.
See, while all angels are messengers [Hb malak], not all messengers are Angels [malak Elohim]. So too, all Seraphim are Angles while not all Angels are Seraphim.
Lol, so not only is the Roman Catholic Church a pagan denomination, but so too are Jews? It looks like everybody but you is condemned to burn in the lake of fire...or is that pagan too? Shall I site 'pagan' mythology to show you where the idea of hell came from? Even the word 'hell' may have been taken from an old Norse word 'hel'. And, 'Hell' appears 54 times in the KJV. So, I guess the KJV is pagan too, right?
Lothair: Mixing with Paganism is what brought Israel and Judah down. They were "children of harlotry" and forsook the law of God commanding them NOT to embrace ANY of their ways in worshiping HIM.
That is all the Roman Pagan Church does. Angel wing worship is just one small bit of the leaven that pervades the whole lump of Roman Pagan Doctrine.
You still have not PROVEN that Angels have wings. By your own words you are condemned because your words are lies.
So I guess the Bible is full of pagan practices and completely condemned, correct? There are a lot of 'mythical' creatures in there. So, the whole thing must be rejected as under God's wrath. After all, long before Abraham entered Eqypt, the Egyptians had a well developed theology of the afterlife which was predicated on the moral fitness of the living. This was well known by the Middle-Kingdom Era [2040-1650]. So, I guess the whole idea of reward/punishment in the afterlife is a pagn invention.
Lothair: Not only do you wrongfully eisegete the scriptures you wrongfully eisegete the thoughts of others - a typical Roman Pagan.
You still have not proven Angles have wings. And like a Roman Pagan, cannot back up anything you believe in scripturally. You therefore are a sophist liar and will not enter the kingdom of God.
You have been beaten so badly that sniveling is all you have left. You can't address the simplest topics with anything other than insults and captious objections that are meant to anger and confuse, rather than inform and enlighten. The more I think about it, the more I come to realize that it is you who are a pagan who justifies an ill-natured sophism, while I serve the role as compassionate saint.
[1] Angels have wings, [2] You are the liar,[3] God has granted me repentence, [4] It is only your ego that keeps you posting comments in this thread.
Jewsknow. They have a calender still counting days from as far as they can remember.
Around 6000 years and counting.
All those billion of years are billion of lies.
tonycstech 1 month ago
@tonycstech Tree rings go back 10,000 years. The oldest town is 12,500 years old, Ice cores go back 100,000 years. Where were you when they handed out the science books.
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@tonycstech from when THEY can remember.
darkarlok 2 weeks ago
YES! I am a Christian, and I am not a YEC, nor an OEC... I simply admit we can't really know...
nicodemous52 1 month ago
I like your video, very biblically based. I try to discern the immense wisdom from people like John MacArthur, he is in disagreement. But I am confounded when I see ancient structures on the planet. I really dont know and I dont think it matters, but I tend to agree, there is certainly evidence out there that begs one to question the ability of the earth to be younger than 6000 years. Confusion is not of God.
Jasgent 5 months ago
God ordained that there are things we were not meant to know in this life. No matter what the "scientists" think. I'd rather wait 'til, like Christ says "you will be like the angels of heaven". I believe it's worth striving for. This world is not where it's at. Obvious to some, scoffed at by others. Either Christ is who he says he is (God) or not. There is no middle ground. Choose wisely.As we look back to the beginning, the first problem was sin (disobedience) this is the problem. always has be
bheadh 8 months ago
Was it 6 days per solar system?
dodgermutt 8 months ago
Maybe God created the universe the week before he created the Earth. No, it would've taken quite a bit longer. Maybe he spent a month or two on that one. Then had a whole week off.
nowthatsinteresting1 10 months ago
The guy of this video is great , but something is wrong with him this time.
1)" The angels existed before the begining. (Titus 1.2)". I understand that before the beginning only existed God.
2) "We dont know how long the beginning took place". I understand the beginning is the period of time that God created the universe, and that was in six Earth days.
3) "we dont know how long was the "day"". the period between evening and morning. Much knowledge mislead the wise?
xchris1800 10 months ago
This is the truth.
andrewreginaldsanfor 1 year ago
You are wrong by misinterpretation! Tell me if you want me to explain more!
What version bible do you use... Because it doesn't sound like a literal one!
TriFortitude123 1 year ago
We live in an age where Gods blashemed and disrepected, Everyone is so blinded by satan that people believe God cant possibly be real.Just cause you cant see God doesnt mean hes not real, for example, Once you were a child you believed in Santa, who could deliver 800 kids presents drink milk eat cookies inside a second, You couldnt see him but you believed in him, another example, Can you see the wind, Gravity, But you believe its there, even though who havent seen it, I know you can see the
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
effects by it, But you can also read the Bible, effects that have changed muderers rapists drug dealers lifes, Once they belive in his word. How can you this our beautiful universe was created by a big bang, You know i thought a big bang destroyed stuff not create a beautiful universe, Like in the psalms, David says we are wonderfully and fearfully made, and you believe soup creatd us, Ok so if explode my house, ill then see a beautiful mansion?Look around if we were created by chance, contiued
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
then were not special, were nothing important, you know some people commit suicide because of thought. But GOD sent HIS SON to DIE on the cross to take our punishment, Gods son getting beat by the hands of me, Jesus didnt have to go through with it, he could of destroyed them, but he didnt he took the punishment and hell for you, I know youll find this hard to understand as your decieved.Thats how special we are, Even though sined against him, blasheme him, mock him, he still loves us continued
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
he still loves us to the end of eternity which easily forever, to the end of eternity, Now thats everlasting love, We are all sinners yet christ died for us, So yes we are special very special, That he would give up his son for muderers every sin you can possibly think of because he loved us. If you have anymore questions just ask, God does not contradict himself, If you say he does, YOUR WRONG, and if you think im lying ask me and ill happily answer it. next post will have a verse
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
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For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16.
Please no blasheming or crude remarks, if you have question ask it, if your going to be rude and blashemy, dont bother replying as i dont want OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR DISREPECTED
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
@hEpTiiCMinKz Zeus the God of the gods also lost a son to the physical world, before making him a god. Why is greek mythology any less important or valid to a mythology that came after that one? It seems christianity is just the last surviving mythology in our modern times. If greek gods were still revered to this day, we would all be talking about the inconsistencies in that belief system. It is all about what is relative and legitimate functional knowledge in our world today.
marcopolo3001 1 year ago
@marcopolo3001 Errrm... last surviving mythology? The hindus, buddhists, zoroastrians, shinto and scientologists would probably have something to say about that.
I agree with you though, they're all as valid as each other, even scientology.
MrSmirker 10 months ago
@MrSmirker "they're all as valid as each other"
I must protest most strongly - the word is INVALID.
Bet ya thought I was a fundie :)
labrat1807 7 months ago
How can so many people believe in a magical being that made everything. The primordial soup and the beginning of life according to scientist makes your head spin, but you can accept that a magical and beautiful being could come into existence before this. Read your scriptures, see that they are flawed and written by men. Jealous and insecure men, scared of everything. You would think the realization that the Earth is not orbited by the sun would be enough to convince you that we created god.
Trapar137 1 year ago
God seems to lie about everything doesn't he..
Houshalter 1 year ago
The Recovery Version of the Bible has a footnote on Revelation 4:10 that the "elders" around the throne of the Creator are the "elders" not of the church nor of Israel. They are oldest created beings, angelic "elders" who were the first and oldest lives created by God. I believe this is true. They are 24 elders of creation. The number may be mostly symbolic.
Ear4Beauty 1 year ago
@Ear4Beauty are you a MORON?
bighrabovsky 1 year ago
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@bighrabovsky Jesus loves you. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. No I don't mean rhetoric. I mean Christ is real.
Ear4Beauty 11 months ago
If God can do anything, God can lie. The Christian God.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 JUST so you know, God can do anything but does not sin as hes a holy and just God, So please dont be smart and say im contradicting myself, cause im not, The christian God? HES THE ONLY GOD.OH AND HE NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL SIN!
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 God can do anything but he does not sin as hes a holy and just God, GOD WILL NEVER EVER SIN HE NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL!!!!And dont say im contradicting or anything one for that matter cause you know im not!
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
By the way if none of yous arent interested then why are you watching this video and posting comments, Your all trying to make it look like you dont believe it by your comments but you really looking for answers
hEpTiiCMinKz 1 year ago
@hEpTiiCMinKz If he is holy and just, why did he create sin in the first place? Or are you going to try to argue that he didnt, that sin always existed, even before god? God CREATED sin. A sin is so because god said it is so. Leastwise that's what your crazy faith would have us believe.
Etimos 1 year ago
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eahazell 1 year ago
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he did it so a few thousand years later he could send his kid down to beat the crap out of him then slaughter him to make up for holding a 4000 year old grudge about one poor diet choice by two innocents. Of course how bad could it have been since he was hi sown kid and he is god...it was so much easier then saying "ya know, I've been thinking I gotta let go of this anger ya'll are forgiven.. now party down!!
eahazell 1 year ago
AWESOME WORK!
MICROCOSMIC5 1 year ago
wow! i have to say that i like your style of teaching ..it's both inspiring and very moving in terms how the spirit of the Lord is working through you! May the Lord continue to bless your intellect and humble ways of teaching. The Lord is using you my brother in ways that you have yet to realized. Remember to remain humble and give him the all the glory , cause all the talents and gifts belong to Him we are just the instrument of His doings .
LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP.. SERGIO..
MICROCOSMIC5 1 year ago
There are far better imaginary friend stories out there than the pathetic 'sacred' scriptures we are spoon fed almost since birth.
I find watching paint dry to be a more engrossing activity than wasting my time with religion
josefagocita 1 year ago
@josefagocita
You say "I find watching paint dry to be a more engrossing activity than wasting my time with religion".
That's a good sound bite but I wouldn't agree for several reasons. First, it is absolutely fascinating how otherwise sane people can delude themselves by believing utter nonsense. Dan Dennett has discussed this.
Second, by debating these people I find I am learning more about logic, psychology and communication in the process.
But I do wish they would disappear!
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss
I am familiar with Dan's work and I agree with you about how illogical it seems that admittedly sane people find it completely normal to believe in imaginary friends. I maintain a weekly "chat" with my local jehova's witnesses and to be honest I find that arguing with them is as useful as mud guards on a boat, but I must say they get full marks for ignoring every single bit of evidence that contradicts their scriptures. Call me arrogant, but I think they are nuts.
josefagocita 1 year ago
@josefagocita
Thanks for you comment. I used to have Jehovah's Witnesses visiting regularly. They seemed to have all the time in the world and nothing could shake them. It was as if they were brainwashed. Sad, really.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
This video series is just cow dung.
PlancksTime 1 year ago
Allah is the only true god and Mohammad is his prophet.
weedsmokingatheist 1 year ago
@weedsmokingatheist Please see my Christian channel and tell me if my God sounds like the same God as you worship?-A lot of people talk against Muslims but I think when we speak of our Gods, it is actually the same God and the same accounts.You use different words than the Bible but the meaning seems the same to me.You have a creation that agrees with mine,you have a major flood-so does my Bible,etc... Please check me out and tell me what you think. Are they the same God or not?
shotsxxx 1 year ago
who da heck is the voiceover guy?
jinnny1 1 year ago
Har Gud så stor makt-at han kunne skape på 7 dager? Eller har Darvin rett?
Xaiando 1 year ago
@Xaiando ?
shotsxxx 1 year ago
@MeGaPixEliT LOL, now you are just plain lying and being sarcastic.
mikedirnt81 1 year ago
@MeGaPixEliT Well then. Next time you go to the doctor and he recomends you take a medicine, disagree with him and tell him that you will not let science say what's true or not. When your computer breakes or your internet connection fails, tell the technician that he's wrong and you will not let sciece say what's correct or not. When some hurricanes, floods or earthquakes are about to strike your city and you see it in a forecast. Don't run, don't let science tell you what to do.
mikedirnt81 1 year ago
@MeGaPixEliT So you dont believe Jamaica exists, you can only assume that, because you've never been there, and you cant believe totally what other people that comes from jamaica says, because you never know, since there is a chance they may not be telling you the truth. You really have to travel all over the world to know for a fact that all the countries, states, regions, mountais and rivers that are presented in the books are really there, right?
mikedirnt81 1 year ago
@MeGaPixEliT Because you dont have to the shoot in the face to know it will kill you. You don't have to experience something if you can get to that conclusion. For example, Pluto's year is 200 years long (or something close to that, I really cant remeber) but we just know the existence of Pluto for like 150 years. Even so we can, by observation, know as a fact that it takes 200 years to go around the sun.
mikedirnt81 1 year ago
@MeGaPixEliT FALSE. Any scientific discovery must be aproved by peer review. You have no ideia of what science is. Any claim must be observed and reproduced anywhere by anyone.
mikedirnt81 1 year ago
@MeGaPixEliT any evidence for your belief that knowledge understanding and memory exist in some soul thing that is separate from the mind. I highly doubt it, but there is evidence for the brain being the thing contains memories, knowledge, and understanding. Atheist understand and accept that we dont know everything, we just dont believe in things without good reason or evidence. This is something that theist completely lack so of course we dont believe your claims.
ultradevon04 1 year ago
you may want to do a lil research on the brain and Conciseness before you make statments like that. And no atheist dont "just think science can explain everything that cannot be seen. The bible is not a literal work. those who try to convince themselve that it is are either in denial or lack the will to see things for what they really are. talking snakes and 6 day creations wouldnt cut it if another religon claimed it so why do you believe it.
B4mytyme 1 year ago
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Genesis is fiction:Most bible colleges teach it`s allegory:As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global & the flood prevailed the highest peak
lizazoon 1 year ago
What a load of dick.
Moonbogg 1 year ago
what application did u use 2 create this? How long did it take to complete this part? Exceptionally good work! Bravo!
Roshea1956 1 year ago
ha ha if ur religious ur dumber than me
BANGBANGBANGBBANG 1 year ago
What the bile says about the age of the universe is irrelevant.The bible is no history book, nor a science book.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Consider also what the Bible says about the earth. At Job 26:7, we read: [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing. Compare this with Isaiah 40:22, There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth. The picture conveyed of a round earth hanging upon nothing in the empty place reminds us strongly of the photographs taken by astronauts of the sphere of the earth floating in empty space.
usedbrain 1 year ago
I find it interesting that with all the talk about what the bible says, no one ever brings up ISAIAH 40:26, "Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of DYNAMIC ENERGY, he also being VIGOROUS IN POWER, not one [of them] is missing." If GOD did create the universe, this statement is scientifically sound...we know the source of all matter is ENERGY!
usedbrain 1 year ago
@usedbrain GREAT POINT BUT I THINK THAT YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME SPEAKING TO SOME PEOPLE.
edavismookie25 1 year ago
@usedbrain "How long will these people treat me with contempt? How long will they refuse to believe in me, in spite of all the miraculous signs I have performed among them?"- Numbers 14:11
edavismookie25 1 year ago
Scientists have recently discovered a 60-million-year-old ancient crocodile fossil, must have been a fake because the bible says the Earth is young. Stupid scientists, they should consult the Bible first before conducting these ridiculous explorations.
ungassy 1 year ago
The earth is 4,566 million years old, + or - 2 million years.
gregrutz 2 years ago
the text in 1st minute sounds like a line from a fantasy book. It would be funny if the bible was just a fantasy book that was taken a little too serious by some people and ended up as a religion.
Papu1234 2 years ago
"THE MIND WORKS BEST WHEN IT IS OPEN"
~ Albert Einstein
MafferDragonhandEyed 2 years ago
Great video, young earth creationism is fantasy-thanks for showing what the Bible really says!
OmegaisNearV2 2 years ago
He makes a lot of suppositions and recites them as facts.
God is not confined to our S.T. conntinuim.
The fact is, the presumption that the bible is the word of god has to be tackled before any theory can be based on it.
wordavee 2 years ago
I have to agree with G. Carlin:
''If its true that our species is alone in the universe, then Id have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little.''
Snip3rM 2 years ago
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Snip3rM 2 years ago
Great video, Old Earth Creationism is the only way to go! It's what God tells us in His own Word.
smartwarlord 2 years ago
the bible says the earth is 6000 years old, old earth creationism literally denies the bible words.
errskin 2 years ago
what verse? In regards to age of anything, the Bible is silent.
"In the Beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"
Where's the number of years? Everything following those words is a reflection on those words.
Old Earth Creationism maintains God's claims of Majesty, Creation and Perfection. Young Earth Creationism puts God in a box.
smartwarlord 2 years ago
"Where's the number of years?" - count the "begats", thats where you get the number from.
errskin 2 years ago
Yeah too bad there's way too many gaps to be able to possibly pinpoint a date in the text. Once we look over to science, we clearly see the Bible is talking about approximately 50,000 years ago for the Creation of Adam & Eve.
smartwarlord 2 years ago
"Once we look over to science, we clearly see the Bible is talking about approximately" - no, science doesn't say anything about the bible.
errskin 2 years ago
Love your logic!
usedbrain 1 year ago
@smartwarlord Exactly. Don't they see that the earth/heavens were already created (possibly eons ago) before the first man walked on the planet? Can't they read what it says? Are they blind?
edavismookie25 1 year ago
Besides the minutia Their is no doubt in MY mind that you are the lords and he is in your heart. Someone telling me that was not true about you, would be much more worthy a person or me to argue with. How have you been my friend? How are the classes going? What else have you been up to lately?
Ultramediacorp 2 years ago
It isn't the about our estimation WE are worth it, or yours that we are NOT. It is a gift the value of which is redeemed upon its acceptance. The value of which Jesus felt was "to die for" and one with warranty that lasts for an eternity.
Ultramediacorp 2 years ago
He did what is so hard for so many of his creation, he was "arrogant" enough to trust without the benefit of eye witness account the testimony given in the Bible that although he is merely a speck of dust in that huge universe, God so loved him, that he gave his only begotten son to pay for his salvation given as the only solution to mans inevitble predicament. a condition by faith, that guarantee his "value" was of one worth saving.
Ultramediacorp 2 years ago
God bless u
cloidegreene 2 years ago
I love it when the creationist fight amongst each other over who has the correct vision of the fairytale. Its a creation myth, not a newspaper article, dolts. NephilimFree and bigwhammy put together have a combined IQ of 90, tops.
PrayForMojo2 2 years ago
it is not a fight it is Iron sharpening Iron. peace
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
More like dumb dumbing down dumber.
PrayForMojo2 2 years ago
I grant you peace and You insult - who is lesser- Luv
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
Notice also the Hebrew צבא (tsaba'), Strong's # H6635, occurs 485 and is used mostly to describe armies or war in OT. It literaly means "soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare)." Also descriptive of the Angels Matthew 26:53 "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and He shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. SCRIPTURE INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE. is it clearer now -LUV
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
The term "stars" is the figurative language to refer to the literal meaning "HOSTS" "a mass of persons" - The Word "tsaw-baw" literaly means - the mass of Hosts (of heaven) = Angels your'e having dificulty seperating "Eternity" and "time" - there is no time (in the sense as we know it) in eternity- The Lord made time, material and the "dimensions" of "the heavens" (including thier hosts) by the 7th day. - Many cults teach a creation before creation. Your'e on a slipery slope. LUV
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
Another set of verses we would all do well to consider. In context to the relation between interdimensionalities, The literal meaning behind the figurative text of Jude 1:6"And ANGELS who did not keep their own domain,but abandoned their proper ABODE" & 2 Cor 5:2 "longing to be clothed with OUR DWELLING from heaven" Greek (oikētērion)occurs only 2x They are in direct relation to one another. Jesus said John 14:2 "I go to prepare a place for you". These are representations of things to come
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
diamy00 - in respect to 2Peter 1:19-20. I you should practice what you preach - It is not up to YOU to decide what is symbolic. THAT is private interpretation. God said what He meant - you can bend His word to fit your mind but you do so to your own demise. LUV
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
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KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
Just because you don't see the answers written in scripture does NOT mean it isn't there. - We must bend our minds to God's Word NOT bend God's Word to fit our mind. LUV
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
YES we re told when the Angels were created - They were created on THE 4TH DAY. Gen 1:14-18 Angels throughout ALL of scripture are synonomous with STARS (Light bearers). There was NO "eternity past" EVERYTHING was mde in 6 days. GEN 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and ALL THIER HOSTS.(always reffered to as angels) BY the seventh day God completed His work which He had done," The angles were there as The Lord was laying the foundations NOT "before" he laid them.
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
re: knowwhatistrue,
NO
The Bible states in Gen. 1:14 that the "mehorah" (lights) were created, this is NOT "malawk" or "angelos" (messenger/ "angel")
Although you might like to say that the "stars" can be symbolic of "angels" or "prophets" in that they were both given as lights in darkness and for signs- that can be an interesting spiritual parallel BUT the ACTUAL TEXT is not subjective to your fancy.
see 2Peter 1:19-20
diamy00 2 years ago
It is not me "liking" to say that stars can be symbolic of angels. It is not an "interesting spiritual parallel" that is LITERALLY what God's Word says over and over as to make no mistake about it.
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
re: knowwhatistrue,
also,
Gen 2:1 "their host"- "host" is "tsaw-baw" it means: mass of persons or figurative things.
so what did God finish making?
answer: the earth, the space/time dimension and every material thing that belongs to it (stars, moons, planets, galaxies, light, air, dust, monkeys, etc.)
so because heavenly angels are not part of the physical space/time dimension, they are not part of the "their" which was describing everything in the material universe "their host"
diamy00 2 years ago
the Lord dwells in the Heavens however, His spirit Literally dwells within His elect. You can not seperate God from His creation,We,likewise are both here in the material AND Eph 2:6 raised up with Him, and seated with Him in the heavenly places in Christ.The angels are literally here within this dimension as well as there-Consider the theory of Quantum Entaglement in relation to 2 Kings 6:16-17The angles were already there but Elisha's servant could not see them. A veil was over his eyes/heart
KnowWhatIsTrue 2 years ago
re: So we know for a fact that angels existed prior to earth. So a period of unaccounted time went by
Why? If the angelic beings are non-temporal and non-physical, then why do you assume that God could not create them....."before"....he created the physical space/time universe. They don't require our universe to exist, and neither does God.
There is no gap in the Scriptures, only in the limited mind of man.
example: how much time went by before God created the universe?
diamy00 2 years ago
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I gave up on this video when the unscriptural trinity and Lucifer hoax were mentioned.
236549 2 years ago
this is great quality! even before I click HD! What format did you upload in? Also; what editing software do you use?
I LOVE YOUR STUFF MAN! GREAT VIDEOS! REALLY GREAT!
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
Format is wmv Software is Vegas
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
It is a lie. The Bible clearly gives the age of this world. My video respnse to this one demonstrates it.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
where is that first chapter from?
rubiksking12345 2 years ago
Proverbs 8
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
In a non-latin translated bible(non-KJV) Lucifer is just called the day-star. It is based on a local fireside story throughout the mideast about Venus (the morning-star) who tries to climb high into the sky in arrogance cause he's brighter than the other stars, and then it outshown by the sun. Its a bad translation that equated Lucifer with Satan. Also all of these definitions of a king of tyre sounds like coloquialisms about a king who everyone loved and then got arrogant and did evil.
anubis2814 2 years ago
interesting..... do you have the actual source for the venus-sun tale? ancient astronomical mythology is an interest of mine.
7othestars 2 years ago
to finish what i mean. i mean that saying that God does "anything" is wrong. he does nothing. everything is done as he has always had it done. because it was never at any point done but yet is done. thus is the problem of god. he cannot do anything because everything is constant. decided never, simply existing eternally as he has no time.
your video is rather meaningless then. since you speculate god having time. yet he doesn't. he exists as a concept for theology and nothing else.
kukulza 2 years ago
you cannot say that god did, thought, felt, or anything within a certain "time". as you explained yourself, god transcends time. to him, there is no difference between now, a year ago, or a billion years in the future. he is omni[everything] and thusly maintains mentality as well as consciousness throughout the entirety of existence. consequently, god cannot do anything at any particular moment but rather works at a "speed" beyond our time scale. to god, everything is constant and unstoppable.
kukulza 2 years ago
look up circular logic it's your mantra
hollowpoint84 2 years ago
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sidburnd1 2 years ago
do you believe man evolved from lower beings?
sidburnd1 2 years ago
"man evolved from lower beings? "
Absolutely not. Its junk psuedoscience based on naturalistic assumptions. The truth is more like...
Man devloved into a lower being when he sinned. Through Jesus Christ you can begin the process of changing back or *evolving* into what God intended for you. This won't be fully realized on earth but it clear that will probably actually go up in dimensionality when we receive glorified bodies.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
agreed, just seeing what this longer time period (as compared to creationism time period) theory is going.
sidburnd1 2 years ago
Evolution is a branching bush, not a ladder. Once you get that, it's easier to understand.
pang00lin 2 years ago
I understand the difference between micro/macro evolution, but I don't understand the 'ladder' or 'bush' analogies you speak of.
sidburnd1 2 years ago
First, there is no difference between micro and macro evolution. You can take one step or ten thousand steps; it's still walking.
Evolution is not a transformational process from worse to better. Species diverge; an isolated group, for instance can become a distinct species, having split from the rest. This is not a case of lower and higher, just...divergent.
Nature is variable, branching off, not going from lower to higher.
pang00lin 2 years ago
well there is a difference but you believe they are seamless, I do not. species can't be a good term when describing differing forms of life because there is no difference in that sense( an ant an a human are different species; but so are dogs and wolves).
sidburnd1 2 years ago
Ah, but by the same token, you must admit we are very closely related to apes.
pang00lin 2 years ago
I believe in speciation, but not to the extent that an animal can change into different kind of animal; this has not been observed. I see what you mean though--that evolutionists , I dont think this day, claim that evolution is going necessarily to higher forms of life...just variable forms of life in order to adapt better. but I was asking BWR if he thinks so. adaptation is observed the latter is assumed with forensic data; not observed or demonstrable.
sidburnd1 2 years ago
I'd say you basically accept evolution, at least as we can observe it in practice. But evolution works in theory too.
pang00lin 2 years ago
Speciation is one animal changing into a different kind of animal (well, to put it into your lingo.) It has been shown time and time again.
odinata 2 years ago
Why did God give the angels 'eternal life unearned, yet required his other children to earn it'?
--Mark Twain
pang00lin 2 years ago
Maybe because they rebelled so we are an example to prove a point to them? There are many verses that point to us being on display for angels etc.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
So God is simply using us as a means to an end?
pang00lin 2 years ago
Of course... to bring himself Glory because he is WORTHY.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
So I am just a puppet in his plan. What about my infinite worth as a human being? Am I a child of God, or his plaything?
What a horrible god you worship.
pang00lin 2 years ago
The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?'
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?' But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"
Don't be a weed.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
What do you suppose wheat was called by many before we knew we could eat it and make cereal and cakes with it ?
Before I knew what it was, it looked like a weed to me. Just a thought. I wonder if God will hold it against me that so many of the weeds were so hard to disntinguish from the wheat. I think it is what is according to my heart he knows me and splitting hairs in a literal sense whether it is between wheat, hair or weeds, misses the point entirely
Ultramediacorp 2 years ago
you're estimation of your own worth is a bit arrogant considering you are just a speck of dust in a huge universe with many other people. What have you done for God that he should consider you?
OriginalRiffMeister 2 years ago
What's this, we're playing Yugioh or something? I was talking about BWR's god bringing death to humanity as an example to angles. He has form on this, to be sure, as in killing Job's servants and family to prove a point to Satan.
...and he's the GOOD GUY of the Bible???
It's wrong to use people merely as a means to an end; people around the world acknowledge this. BWR's god behaves in a manner that most people would consider immoral. Glad he doesn't exist.
pang00lin 2 years ago
You assume that death is the end. But its not. So your objections fail to have any merit. In light of eternity the little sufferings of this earth are trivialities and will be forgotten. This brief life is a test - a test of how you will respond to God and it all goes on your permanent record. How are you doing so far?
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Pretty much like my grandparents, who lead good lives but did not, as far as I'm aware, believe in God. Are you suggesting they are in hell?
pang00lin 2 years ago
@bigwhammyRocks "You assume that death is the end." And theists assume that it is not the end. But based on what we know happens to the brain and consciousness once that biomechanical computer goes offline, the electrical signals stop and the consciousness is no more.
If you were to smash your computer into fine dust, your software would not survive the destruction of the hardware. Consciousness does not survive the destruction of the brain.
Raptor302 1 year ago
In Romans 9 Paul anticipated your whining...
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
So, your god does not want me to be good, or even to think, as long as I am obedient. And he is not good, just powerful.
Got it.
pang00lin 2 years ago
You have a humanistic definition what good is. You have no idea what its like to hear every thought of every human alive. So you really can't judge what the overall "good" is. Sometimes pain is necessary to grow and only in retrospect can you see that it was "good" for you. Good is often the enemy of what is BEST.
Comfort & convenience is not always "good" for the big picture. I don't know what you final fate will be, I was critical myself and might have made a similar remark 10 years ago.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
I don't want mere comfort and convenience. Real happiness comes from doing good.
Do animals profit from suffering? We observe that dogs dream. This is strong evidence that they have minds. Why do they have to suffer?
Animal suffering makes perfect sense to a naturalist; it seems pointless and cruel if was made by god for no good reason.
I understand about pain and growth and healing...no need to assume a vengeful god, who created me as a lesson to the angels for that.
pang00lin 2 years ago
So I ask again, am I a child of your god, or just a pawn in his game?
pang00lin 2 years ago
"am I a child of your god,"
It's a privilege not an entitlement.
3For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
(Rom 8)
It's something you have to decide for yourself. The answer is based on your response to his Son.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Neither you nor I can do other than to live by the flesh.
pang00lin 2 years ago
"...live by the flesh. "
Not so. Many many people will testify otherwise. I personally have great victory over what I used to be compelled to do. And I don't take any credit for it. God literally changes you from the inside out. It is the reason we are so confident. We absolutely know God is real - but you can't see it from the outside - it does require faith to get started - its an inside job. Literally
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
What were you compelled to do?
odinata 2 years ago
Why did God give the angels 'eternal life unearned, yet required his other children to earn it'?
He DID give it to us! We gave it up when we sinned.
OriginalRiffMeister 2 years ago
Sin, as opposed to morality, is a horrible concept.
pang00lin 2 years ago
Especially for those found guilty of it. Note that your personal horror is a good place to start. And the fact you don't like something in no way implies it isn't very very real. It is.
Good luck with that "I just didn't like the rules" defense when you face a HOLY God in judgement .... and soon.
Hint get a defense lawyer with clout.
life is rather brief after all.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
I simply don't believe in him, your god. Not because I am wicked or evil; I just don't accept it. it doesn't make any sense to me. Do you think I deserve to suffer for that?
pang00lin 2 years ago
It's just blind obedience, fear of punishment. Why does God want dull, obedient sheep?
pang00lin 2 years ago
There's nothing dull about a personal relationship with the creator of time and space.
What's dull is slavery to perversions and sin.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
What perversions? I don't consider myself to be a pervert of any sort.
Remember, I am distinguishing between 'sin' and 'immoral acts.'
pang00lin 2 years ago
"Remember, I am distinguishing between 'sin' and 'immoral acts.' "
But remember God is not distinguishing. If you look at a woman lustfully you are guilty of adultery. So on your own moral merit you are firewood.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
You don't seem to understand. Adultery is usually wrong, because you hurt and betray a loved one. That's immoral. But no one is hurt by taking the Lord's name in vain. No one is hurt if you make graven images. These things are not wrong, in any moral sense. They are just disobedient. As history shows, obedience over-rated.
pang00lin 2 years ago
Is it wrong to look at woman lustfully if nobody else knows?
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
It depends what you mean by that, but generally no, I can't see anything wrong with it. Obviously staring with your tongue hanging out isn't very nice. Or if looking lustfully means planning to cheat.
But if you're single, and she's single, and she likes you and looks back...well there's not a thing wrong with that, is there?
pang00lin 2 years ago
This assumes eternal life is something that must be earned in the first place or that it even COULD be earned.
Adam and Eve chose to want the experience of knowing what it is to have to earn it but the bottom line is the only eternity we relinquish is the opportunity their is for where we will spend an eternal life with God or without God or where you may be placed to Judge the angels themselves
Ultramediacorp 2 years ago
Wow. My mind expands every day...
Thank you bro.
pokemaughan 2 years ago
I suppose by "tradition of men" your implying that "young" earthers are clinging to an outdated belief system. "
Yes exactly. I am sure you are sincere, but I believe you are in error to cling to YEC. My view is based on ancient Hebrew language scholarship not just science. Genesis 1 is widely misunderstood. See part 2 which is a response to this.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
I really am a novice when it comes to the topic of YE v. OE. But, I am familiar with the Latin Fathers of the Church, and there is generally a view that the text of Genesis 1 is allegorical, though there are certainly exception opinions to the contrary. When we let the Bible lead our thinking and the broad opinions over the centuries of Church history be our guide, taking either the literal or allegorical view are both perfectly orthodox, at least in my view, but I am willng to be corrected.
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
"It is not Gods word."
If not, then why did He say so , in Exodus 20:811? (referring to literal 24 hour days)
Long-agers seem to appeal to the fallacy of equivocation quiet often in these instances.
inthedepths714 2 years ago
Exodus 20:11 is explained in part 2. It just isn't about what you think it is.
Basing your opinions on English translations viewed through your modern point of view leads to these erroneous conclusions. Please watch part 2 it is all explained. God bless.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Angels:The Old Testament also speaks of cherubim ( and seraphim (e.g., in the vision of Isaiahs calling, Isa. 6:17).The angel of the Lord (Heb. mal˒aḵ yhwh), also called the angel of God or the angel of his presence (Isa. 63:9), is sometimes distinguished from God, but at other times they are the same.
Myers, A. C. (1987). The Eerdmans Bible dictionary. Rev., augm. translation of: Bijbelse encyclopedie. Rev. ed. 1975. (56). Grand Rapids, Mich.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
bigwham: Whatever paradigm of behavior you're insisting I follow I don't know it. Jesus' rebuke of Pharoahs and money changers,Paul's rebuke of Peter Gal2,are Biblical examples to model-not an effeminate whimper will that tries to get people to like him.Lothair commenced the condemnatory exchanges I simply and frankly told him the truth.The problem is not about wings.The gravity of the issues lies in that the idea comes from Paganism-which God expressly forbids our participation in. Deu 12.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
bigwham: Do you think it a small thing to incorporate Pagan ideas into your teaching? Spreading fairy tales rooted in Canaanite magic does not become one claiming seriousness in studying the Word of God. Nice of you to do the research. I'm glad you now see that the scholars themselves simply only 'call' them angels when in fact Seraphs and Cherubs are NOT angels. A little leaven invades all. Roman Paganism has led to a great abuse of the Sheep and harm upon the Body of Christ.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
The Jewish Encyclopedia has an indepth article on 'Angelology', that is worth a read. One thing jumped off the page at me. In the book of Daniel [10:5,6] there is a description on an Angel whose eyes are 'LAMPS OF FIRE'. That very same description of the Seven Spirits of God appears in Bk of Rev 4:5. So, while Prohoridzo claims that the word 'Lampas' never refers to Angels, it looks like Scripture has proven him wrong. Here are the pertinent verses [Isa 6; Dan 10:4,5; Rev 4:5,15 & 17].
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
Lothair: Once again you eisegete only your conjured imagination. There is NO mention of an Angel in Dan.10. You are lying once again.
You still have not proven Angels have wings. When you so flippantly mocked me for stating that Angles had no wings, you have still not proven through EXEGETICAL EVIDENCE that they do.
That makes you a mocker and a liar by YOUR OWN WORDS. That means you incriminate yourself, I have nothing to do with it other then point it out in rebuke to you.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
Hey idiot. I was quoting an article from the Jewish Encyclopedia. Once again, you prove that your rhetoric is about as convincing as your biblical knowledge.
It appears that the only exegetical evidence you accept is your own dim understanding of the verses you do not to know very well.
Ya know, for someone who is a 'condemned liar' and 'rebuked for mocking the word', I feel confident that you have gotten spanked in this discussion.
Do you really think that you're at all presuasive?.
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
And more....in Daniel 10:11, the man identifies himself as the man who is 'sent' [Hb שׁלח 'shâlach']. Isn't that your definition of an Angel? One sent with a message? So, an honest exegesis of these verses in Daniel could easily see the image as describing an Angelic visit.
See, while all angels are messengers [Hb malak], not all messengers are Angels [malak Elohim]. So too, all Seraphim are Angles while not all Angels are Seraphim.
So, who has been rebuked here? Go ahead, comfess!
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
Lothair: I will only read 1 comment box because you are a coward in blocking me & ranting like an 'idiotes'.
There is no mention of an Angel or anyone sporting wings in Daniel 10.
That makes you a liar by your own words because:
YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN ANGELS HAVE WINGS.
You stand condemned. What will you say to God when He asked you; "Why have you lied and willfully misrepresented MY Word?
You cannot escape the wrath coming.
May God grant you repentance for your willful defense of Paganism.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
Lol, so not only is the Roman Catholic Church a pagan denomination, but so too are Jews? It looks like everybody but you is condemned to burn in the lake of fire...or is that pagan too? Shall I site 'pagan' mythology to show you where the idea of hell came from? Even the word 'hell' may have been taken from an old Norse word 'hel'. And, 'Hell' appears 54 times in the KJV. So, I guess the KJV is pagan too, right?
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
Lothair: Mixing with Paganism is what brought Israel and Judah down. They were "children of harlotry" and forsook the law of God commanding them NOT to embrace ANY of their ways in worshiping HIM.
That is all the Roman Pagan Church does. Angel wing worship is just one small bit of the leaven that pervades the whole lump of Roman Pagan Doctrine.
You still have not PROVEN that Angels have wings. By your own words you are condemned because your words are lies.
May God grant you repentance.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
So I guess the Bible is full of pagan practices and completely condemned, correct? There are a lot of 'mythical' creatures in there. So, the whole thing must be rejected as under God's wrath. After all, long before Abraham entered Eqypt, the Egyptians had a well developed theology of the afterlife which was predicated on the moral fitness of the living. This was well known by the Middle-Kingdom Era [2040-1650]. So, I guess the whole idea of reward/punishment in the afterlife is a pagn invention.
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
Lothair: Not only do you wrongfully eisegete the scriptures you wrongfully eisegete the thoughts of others - a typical Roman Pagan.
You still have not proven Angles have wings. And like a Roman Pagan, cannot back up anything you believe in scripturally. You therefore are a sophist liar and will not enter the kingdom of God.
Unless you repent, you will perish.
By your own words you stand condemned.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
You have been beaten so badly that sniveling is all you have left. You can't address the simplest topics with anything other than insults and captious objections that are meant to anger and confuse, rather than inform and enlighten. The more I think about it, the more I come to realize that it is you who are a pagan who justifies an ill-natured sophism, while I serve the role as compassionate saint.
Repent or be damned to hell.
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
Lothair:
You have yet to prove Angels have wings. Until you do, you are a liar, condemned by your own words.
May God grant you repentance.
Prohoridzo 2 years ago
[1] Angels have wings, [2] You are the liar,[3] God has granted me repentence, [4] It is only your ego that keeps you posting comments in this thread.
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
Lothair:
You have not proven Angels have wings. That makes you a liar and you are unrepentant.
You are condemned now even further by your own wo