Carl Jung On The Psyche - Gnostic

[smallpotatoes989]

brilliant man!

[hornsofarabbit]

i think god has to do with a process of spiritual (conscious) evolution in the universe, one that we are all involved in. But Jung is right, the structure of our lives does not cater to this drive and we are bombarded with distractions that make us lose sight of this pursuit, often times. I think it's nature and the earth that we need to reconnect to, to find the wonder in all, because, by and large, this 'human game' we've made makes us only consider our species amidst our jungles of concrete.

[paulfbest]

So did God cause the BP spill, the Japan Tsunami, the midwest floods, the melt down of both nuke plants in Nebraska(in July), and Katrina? Is Man responisble for these 4 disasters?

Or God has nothing to do with these events?

If you understand what Jung is truly saying you will *gnosis* my Q.

I know, but will not say.

I never discuss The Sacred with atheists , sophists, religionists.

U guys figure the puzzle out 4 URself..use your computers

MINOT now getting hammered with HEAVY RAIN

[fntime]

@paulfbest You are correct!

Why waste your time with people who are closed minded.

It only winds up them insulting you, because the destruction

of a parademic 'line' in their mind computer causes

both a pyschological and physical complication.

And they never add anything to 'equation', it's only

recirculated crap!

[astrofrk]

@paulfbest Which Gnostic are you talkinhg to? There are at least 30 Gnostic groups.

If you believe in the Demiurge, then God may well cause disasters. If you believe in man, man can cause them as well.

[paulfbest]

@astrofrk

I wqould never associate myself with any gnostic cult.

I am speaking about knowledge, gnosis. has nothing to do witha group/sect/cult.

Gnosis merans ability to transcend, see beyond the physical.

Really gnosis means able to understand what common man is blind to.

May God save me from so called gnostics. = The Cult.

30 groups?

HA! most in s cali/arizona no doubt.

[astrofrk]

@paulfbest I was just talking about the 30 ancient gnosic groups. I am a Valentinian Gnostic Christian. Define "Cult". How can we be a cult when we have no leader or clergy? We are all clergy as Jesus didn't tell us to go to Church, he told us to BE the church. I did have a teacher but he refused to accept any donations. Now, compare that to the mainstream Christian Church institutions and tell me: Which one is closer to being a cult?

[TAMYCRON]

@unityspirit51

Ah, but "God" is more than mankind's idea of what he thinks God should be/conform to. It is something you can experience by knowing yourself. A verb.

[8810604]

so god is different for everyone. for me its what science can prove which is more than what most people know. religion created mythical explainations of what was unkown at the time. now science can prove a lot of what religion believes is true, but not the guilt and judgment and afterlife and god loves us stuff. if god loves us then gravity loves us...all equally no matter what of if we believe. maybe fat people more.

[TAMYCRON]

@8810604

Yea, It's more that the IDEA of God is different to people but "God" itself is what is it, will be what it will be.

[JohananRaatz]

What do you get when you cross David Bohm's "Implicate Order" concept with Roger Penrose's quantum consciousness model, Orch-OR?

Penrose + Bohm = Jung: watch?v=qAjC81MUe_I

[nickharvey7]

I like this old film footage when he looks into the camera at the end you know that he knows that he means even if I don’t

[superjujujuice]

...please, man has nothing to do with it otherwise we would've been blown up by now.

The ego knows no bounds...."man is important, therefore, I am"

[christuimbirek]

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[Gemendelos]

Carl Jung has been writing many interesting things.I like his ways of describing the person as consisting of many layers,the persona(the mask),anima ,animus,the shadow part,the hero and the self. I think the ideas about the self is most fascinating.I really like what i have read with this person.

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[wachiramond]

"The world hangs on a thin thread and that thread is the psyche of Man" So true, but how do we get to know our psyche? Many messiahs, Jesus Buddha etc., have tied to teach us, but the art and the rituals are lost to time. Until now, if you are really interested in finding and understanding the real you( us ), please email me.

[tranglomango]

has a sponge absorbs the liquid (experience from outside) than letting the all the ignorance, doubts, fears, all the spiritual and psychic immobilization drain from a purified mind...simplicity while intercting with reality makes u reach the core of existence

[tranglomango]

People should explore inside their minds and feelings, to see what is real, what's needed and what's not....for that I know one must be detached from everything and everyone, only honest freedome and honest self respect will empty your mind has it fills it up at the same time

[qaplatlhinganmaH]

watch google video:

Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'

[Tuphut]

He said a great thing I cant seem to find the video, he said the greatest threat that exists towards man lies with his own heart!! A profound statement!! Bobby ficher was a great mind as well

[Darrell861]

@Tuphut Correct me if I am wrong, chap,but I do believe that I am the only non-Jungian in this...how do you call it... chat room? Pardon my indiscretion, but I do believe I have stumbled into a room of people who worship Jung. I find it uh, ..., FASCINATING. Cheerio, --Darrell

[Tuphut]

@Darrell861 Well he's better than freud isnt he

[ziplockism]

"life" is give "it" up.."it" is the form, the concept, the manipulation of information which is named thinking. heart voice is right choice. meaning of life is a lesson. reason for life is experience.escape from the hard/harshness of reality/society.drugs.spiral galaxy is perpetual circle. life is a cycle. my head hurts.

[Darrell861]

@ziplockism Huh?

[thirdeye147]

love love love

[thinkingevil]

"he is not born as a tabula rasa (a blank slate)....."

[thinkingevil]

"particularly if he [the ordinary man] is well-housed and well-fed, then he has no ideas at all..." Amen to the fruit of struggle!

[Wolfsbane909]

the connection he speaks of might be nature, as man was once apart of nature.

of course his idea of man just being born natural. society has sought to create socially accepted "people" from infancy to adult. through standard grade 1-12, thats 12 years of standard education by societies standards.

Jung was pretty brilliant when it came to psyche, yet many things remain a question.

[frankiedetergent]

i believe that there is only one animal on this planet and that we are just necessary individual intelligence (working for this animal). i don't think it gave us the ability to destroy it, it has lots of protection devices(like our conservation instinct/love for our children etc).

[lukkbox]

@frankiedetergent

should anyone wish to destroy something in the garden of eden down here

the only tried and tristed method, is to over water and over feed it

look out for that ;O)

[OBIrish]

self is his own worst enemy

[PeterRoeder31]

Legendary.

[bevanpalmer]

WORD UP! PEACE & ONE LOVE

[GordonMorrice]

"The world hangs on a thin thread and that thread is the psyche of Man."

Such simply, powerful words of wisdom, but words that, as Jung says are not given credence. People just act as if "things happen" and that the minds of people play no part in the dark events of the human project that is civilisation.

[smudge6699]

Well said.

He could well be talking about the sociological effects of karmic action.

When there is so much suffering in the world why create more?

We need to reconnect to ourselves.

[cujo131]

I completely agree. The brain is powerful, and we are arrogant to think we are the masters of it.

[jonnybeatnic]

Arrogant? We are the masters of the brain, We can only be arrogant to think we are masters of our existence- that we have free will.

[lukkbox]

@cujo131

we CAN be the masters of it

and in doing so, we conquer not only ourselves, but the entire universe and all in it

this is becoming a god!

[Darrell861]

@lukkbox Huh? 

[lukkbox]

@Darrell861

in overcoming pride and a sense of self you become as god

quite clearly states this in all religious texts

humility (the ability to laugh at yourself and enjoy others laughing at you) and destruction of the ego = godhead

just like when you were little ...

[stcrzyaatyrs]

@GordonMorrice I can not help but reply, as I have been in deep discussion with my own family about the contra survival acts that we humans do to eachother for power, priviledge, money. I was astounded how many hypocritical, bigot concepts and ideas that came forth. It caused me to look deeper into my own motives and actions in life. I was told I was powerless to change people or mankind, but then I remembered a verse in Sidha Yoga from many yrs ago. "BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD"

[lukkbox]

@stcrzyaatyrs

thats because you dont see the world as it is, you see the world as you are

so the only way to change the world you see, is to change your own heart

capiche?

when your smiling ... the whole world smiles with you

[jenelle152]

@lukkbox, not sure anyone can change their schema or their window. I'm pretty convinced imprinting is never overcome, no matter how much conditioning. It would feel like juggling after awhile, the balls will come down, unless you were born a juggler and even then.

-They don't smile back in Greece, unless there's a reason to smile. They get suspicious.

[lukkbox]

@jenelle152 i know a way

interested?

its not for the feint of heart ...

[jenelle152]

@lukkbox, I mentioned imprinting because of birds and the overlap/distinct differences in them. I think people are similar to a degree. I like what you wrote about ego. They always say you have to "surrender the ego" in theater, to escape shame, fear, etc and be able to be someone who would behave how you wouldn't. It would be nice to see that ability in psychology....,little pooped on it. Well, I'll bite. Interested to know what is for the feint of heart.

[lukkbox]

@jenelle152 as all fruit has a root

the ego is a fruit of the kundartiguador organ

the ego gives us our sense of 'self' which is an illusion, as when we were born we were not under this illusion and saw all things as one, as they truly are

ego death is the pinnacle of human existance and in many texts is described as becoming god, becoming once again, one with the all

this is acheived through first prolonged fasting for purification

secondly you must yoke the heart of all tears

[lukkbox]

@jenelle152

thirdly one has to raise their sexual kundalini powers (fire) back to the top of their tree (spine) and in doing so set off a chain reaction from the top down which dissolves the body in fire, and from the ashes you are reborn

like the pheonix ;O) you are reborn a new from your own ashes

how do i know?

i've done it!

the hardest part is purifying the heart

all religions call this 'yoking'

i repeat, this is NOT for the feint of heart

stilll interested?

[jenelle152]

@lukkbox, kundalini rising.

[737Hermit]

@jenelle152 Theater is the closest thing to mysticism that is available to the public! To name only a few similar practices between theater and mysticism there is visualisation, pronunciation of Mantras, some work on the ego and self-exploration, meditation and most importantly BEING CONSCIOUS, living every moment HERE and NOW (which unless you do you will screw up the performance). Also the whole preparation and playing out of a scene is similar to performing a ritual.

[GitanoRenegado]

@lukkbox How? i have tried abstaining but there has to be more to it.how do you raise the kundalini.

[lukkbox]

@GitanoRenegado

it's not about abstinence from sex

it's about having lots and lots and lots of sex .... in the right way!

preceding every birth/rebirth is a sexual act, its the same inside as outside

you take yourself to the point of orgasm, so close!,and then refrain from having the orgasm, this charges our sexual organs with so much electricity it forces the kundalini to rise, it is hard to contain, but this is the path of the razors edge!

spill one drop ... you have to start again!

[737Hermit]

@lukkbox But isn't orgasm itself a loss of energy my friend?

[lukkbox]

@GitanoRenegado

tuck the heel of your foot between your balls and your arse, you will find the perineum, this is a mans vagina!

you will know the spot when u hit it ;O)

i hasten to add, all of this knowledge is completely useless and your time will be wasted if you have not beforehand purified your body completely through fasting

and the kundalini cannot make it past the heart unless the heart has been yoked

the heart is the gatekeeper to higher worlds!

[lukkbox]

@GitanoRenegado

and lastly, but by no means leastly, concentrate all your efforts, on love

for the heart determines your motivations and feelings, and you cannot lie to it!

LOVE is the goal

Healing is the power

Immortality in the flesh is the prize!

good luck bro and if you need mroe help just email me ok

i come to teach the world!

:O)

Daniel

[GitanoRenegado]

@lukkbox i think all the negative things i exposed myself to makes it difficult to raise the kundalini is there anything you can eat or anywhere you can visit in the astral relm to purify yourself. and how long does it take to purify completely.

[lukkbox]

@GitanoRenegado

no, nothing is impossible!

google 'the essene science of fasting' and read it all

then you will know how to purify yourself, and when to know when you are pure!

your tongue and your piss are the greatest signs of your health, read it, it wont take long and is very interesting

i personally do the 'mastercleanse', google that too!

great to see another human taking his health seriously!

speak soon

:O)

[737Hermit]

@jenelle152 Nope, we do smile back in Greece :-) :-) :-)

[stcrzyaatyrs]

@lukkbox Well that sounds great on paper but may I ask where were you when 9/11 came down, and were you smiling:) and did the whole world smile with you:)

The world is full of greed, ego, revenge, survival of the body, few, very few can realize that we are not the light bulb, but the illumination with in the light bulb!

[Seiga]

@GordonMorrice Implying man is the determinant of almost pretty much everything that goes on in this world... taking account for all the chaos, such as wars, pandimonium, disasters, etc... fate is strung to our collective unconscious, and this pool manifests with such darkness it creates chaos from man's collective unconscious... I learned that today from a video with him, and it's helping me see my life in a new perspective. Amazing man...:D