The Last Days the Loss of Faith Will be so Great...

[nmiller731]

Greatest Youtube video I have ever seen! In Nomine Patri, Et Filli, Et Spiritus Sancti Blessed Mother Mary pray for us.

[bedtime4bonz]

Rome does, or did the last time I checked? Their bishops still operate outside the or "their" local diocese, remaining "independent" of the church (pope). If the pope is the pope, then no group can operate outside the holy see unless you are a sede.

[Oblationem]

Humm… How about if the pope and Rome are in apostasy? How about if the current pope beatifies JP2 May 1, 2011 or prays with non-Christians and Devil worshipers this coming October 2011? Would you then think it would be okay to believe that the seat is vacant? Not judging, but using your common sense, what events would have to take place in order for you to believe that we have another anti-Christ or an anti-pope? We have had about 40 of them in the past. Why does B16 get a pass?

[bedtime4bonz]

@Oblationem Hmm? Doens't the sspx say that all the vatican II popes are the popes? By their own claims they prove they are schismatic! Don't blame me, blame your sspx group. I'm only reporting it like it is. I am confused also by your "stance" here? Are you a sede or an sspx adherent? Do you not know that Lefebvre, along with all the rest of cardinals & bishops SIGNED the documents, new mass, new rite, etc, of vatican II, so what's your argument here or theirs?

[Oblationem]

Yes, I’ve read that Archbishop Lefebvre signed the documents, but soon after changed his mind, thank God. As for me being a sedevacantist, I’m not quite there yet. If B16 beatifies JP2 this May 2011 and goes to another inter-religious prayer gathering in Assisi October 2011 – then maybe I am willing to say that B16 is no longer the pope and is in Apostasy. The Church owes much to the SSPX. Can’t imagine where the Church would be without them. They are good faithful traditional priests.

[bedtime4bonz]

@Oblationem Why are you concerned with those Assisi meetings? The Sspx says the same thing the novus ordo popes do. "Souls can be saved in other religions"?? Lefebvre taught it and so does the rest of that group. Like most people who get caught up in this group, you are impressed by the externals which in turn promotes the false idea that this group must be good because it looks good! If souls can be saved in other religions then I cant see HOW the sspx can hold water in their claims?

[Oblationem]

The SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre has not and does not teach anything different than the Catholic Church has always taught. The SSPX can hold it’s own because it claims and supports what the Church has always claimed and taught. (Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation), but there is more to that statement than just what it says. …through no fault of their own, and did not avert to the truth of Christianity, and to the necessity of actual baptism, died truly repentant etc…

[bedtime4bonz]

@Oblationem The church NEVER taught that added statement you threw in there! It's a heretical statement and fully endorsed by the sspx cult! Much like what I already told you about them saying the pope is the pope, then avoiding all means to serve him and the church! THE SSPX IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH! Nor does it have power to ANULL marriages like they falsely do! If ignorance can gain salvation then you should have NO problem with these current popes! You like priests in long robes, beware!

[Oblationem]

I think you are the pot calling the kettle black. The new Novus Ordo sect has changed (all) seven sacraments, even a new Rosary and yet you are concerned about annulements? You make many charges against the SSPX without any referemces. The SSPX has never claimed to be the Church, just the remnant and the light that keeps the true faith burning. Please cite what the SSPX teaches other than what the Church has always taught.

[LJBSasha]

a denomination that's theologically flawed or deviant, I'd rather not take it at all!

[LJBSasha]

@Oblationem: I know that Christ founded the Christian but not the Catholic church: for a long time, the patriarchs of Antioch, Alexandria and Constantinople had a very strong weight of importance practically equal to Rome. The first two were ruined and annihilated by the spread of Islâm, while Constantinople ended up much the same way.

Regarding Photius: that all seems like a very murky episode where the emperors were the real powers behind that turmoil.

[Oblationem]

Christ taught the truth with authority, and promised to safeguard it until the end of time. Being the very Son of God He could do so, and He chose to do so by means of the infallible Catholic Church that He founded Matt: 16:18. Everybody else is a Johnny come lately founded by man, not by God Himself…

[LJBSasha]

My other difficulty with Catholic doctrine is the implicit belief that NOBODY outside of the Roman church can be spiritually saved! Can one TRULY say that of enough people in Eastern Orthodoxy?? How about God-loving Protestants who could join in with the Church in genuinely believing the Creeds, like William Wilberforce, Billy Graham, Haralan Popov, Richard Wurmbrandt and plenty of others - are they ALL meant to go to Hell and thence the Lake of Fire?? HONESTLY???

[Oblationem]

OUT SIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. The Catholic Church is Christ’s Church, It was founded by Jesus Christ Himself in Mt 16:18.

It would be defended by GOD Himself, Mt 16:18-19.

It would have authority given by Jesus Christ, Mt 16:19,18:17-18.

Jesus Christ said He would be with His Church every day, in every year, until the end of the world, Mt 28:20. This means no gaps in time. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God. Not all dogs go to heaven. HONESTLY.

[LJBSasha]

@Oblationem: I have been pondering that problem a fair amount - and yes, it's in my prayers (my trouble is that I don't pray anywhere near to the standard a true Christian surely ought to - here I'll admit my sins). However, it surely is just as much a blasphemy to expect that the people I mentioned in my previous posting will go to Hell and thence the Lake of Fire merely because they're not members of a given branch, denomination or sect - isn't that supposed to be between them and God?

[Oblationem]

@LJBSasha

God sent His only-begotten Son into this world, and that Son founded the Catholic Church. For about 1,500 yrs there was no other Christian Church, sending it forth to teach all nations. It is certainly necessary to be taught by that Church if one wants to save their soul. Christ said, “If a man will not hear the Church, let him be as the heathen and publican.”.”Matt. XVIII., 17.

[LJBSasha]

I don't deny that there is a Church Universal (of which the word "Catholic", when translated from the Greek "Katholikos", is a synonym) - far from it!! Yes, God has been defending Christians, and not merely those of one denomination or branch - please let me commend the late Haralan Popov's "Tortured for His Faith" as a testimony to how this Protestant Bulgarian endured over 13 years in that nation's equivalent of the GULag. Truly, that man had to be saved by God from so very much given the

[Oblationem]

@LJBSasha

Yes, the word Catholic means universal, and it is that Church that Christ founded, and that Church that Christ talks about. If one comes to clearly realize that THAT Church is Christ’s Church and refuses submission and obedience to it, then that person’s soul is in danger. However the Church does not regard the vast majority of non-Catholics as heathens if they are sincerely mistaken.

[LJBSasha]

@Oblationem: there's the problem in a nutshell! I've not - at least as of yet! - come to the stage of accepting that the Roman Church is truly and completely Christ's Church to the exclusion of everything and everybody else. Don't get me wrong: there's no question as to Trinitarian Christianity backed by the Bible, the early councils and the Creeds. I can accept some form of Transubstantiation (the exact one is still being pondered); however, that all the popes are right makes me troubled.

[bedtime4bonz]

@Oblationem not all people in the (schismatic) sspx, go to heaven either!

[Oblationem]

True enough, but who says the SSPX is schismatic?

[FolkMusicFanatic]

The loss of faith is already great. Just look at protestantism and the quasi-protestant "novus ordo" church that masquerades as Catholic. The novus ordo has more connections to our enemies (freemasonry, communism, paganism, and heretical protestant cults). The SSPX follows the traditional Catholic faith while the Vatican has lost its faith. And if the recent scandals in the "novus ordo" church weren't enough proof look at how traditional Christian teachings of our Lord have been distorted.

[Eltsacwenify]

It is SO true, they can take away your Churches, your Pope, your priests, your Masses etc. but they can't take away your faith in God, if you pray the Rosary Our Lady will help and you will become the small remnant who still remain faithful to the truth itself. Beautiful sermon!

[helenw100]

God bless the Society of Saint Pius X!

[darijo203]

Why do you promote your self as catholic and still you refuse papacy? No, you are doing exactly the same thing as protestants, fragmenting the church and bringing the chaos.

Don't turn the church to propaganda, as you are doing in these speeches. Mainly, you must have faith in God and that he is the true leader of the Church. By separating your self from the church you are showing that lack of faith and spread heresy.

[Oblationem]

Mainly, you must have faith in God... Okay, thanks for the tip.

[darijo203]

Sarcastic or not, its clear that you didn't understand my message. If you interpret the Church the same way, no wonder that you decided to separate.

You are not Catholic church, since you deny the unity. You are not Catholic church since you deny papacy which was founded by Christ.

You believe in your own strenght not the one that comes from Christ. Otherwise you wouldn't start your own church, but rather pray to God to lead her to right way.

[beatleswine]

The vatican II Papacy is not catholic! This papacy says the jews do not have to convert to catholicism? Nor protestants for that matter. The novus ordo is the counterfeit church predicted in the bible that will rise in the final days. An apostate church!

[oblatusosb]

This man is right, this is a world without faith; and no matter what if Europe doesnt mend her ways as Bernard Lewis said by the end of the century the majority of Europe will be Moslem. Just take a look at Holland and France.

God bless the Holy Roman Pontiff and the Catholic Church.

[helenw100]

Can you truly say that you are ,at this time ,being taught the true doctines of Christ from Rome? What then of all the prophesies and the real secret of Fatima regarding the apostacy which will begin at the top. ie. from the vatican. And why has no consecration of Russsia taken place. Why disobey heaven? why 7 protestants helping to give us a 'new mass'. Yes that exactly what Jesus's Church needed. Give us back Our Churches and altars! Even the protestants are scratching their heads!!!

[darijo203]

Why you struggle?It's theGod himself who said that no one will prevail against her.Regarding the true doctrines,they're same for over 2000years now.I dont see the difference. Which doctrines are changed?Second thing,to Church is given the "right" to interpret the Bible..and so she is doing that for 2000years.Some thing,some traditions have changed or been adopted to certain people for the sake of spreading faith,the good news.But the core of that news,the faith,every doctrine remained unchanged.

[Oblationem]

Why do you say we deny the Papacy? Give a good example of how I/we deny any Catholic Doctrine. I/we believe in the Papacy MORE than the pope does. It is he and his cohorts that give-away titles that belong to the Papacy, who want to make the pope just one of many. Please cite who defends the Papacy more than the SSPX. It is the pope that worships with pagans and violates the First Commandant. And not one Novus Ordo bishop complains about it. Shame shame shame. Study-up, we are not separated...

[xplund]

@Oblationem Why do you call yourself a catholic and promote heresy and false doctrine? No you are doing exactly the same thing as the protestants, promoting a false mass and false sacraments. The novus ordo church is obsessed with liberalism and social justice and they put the Sacraments and the salvation of souls in the closet.

[FishEaster]

@Oblationem - Don't bother with the Novus Ordo - new religion who thought themselves Catholics? I believe you engage them in discussions out of charity. Out of charity we do our best to persuade them so that they do not suffer the fires of hell before it is too late. I also an SSPXer, and just came back from the Ignatian Retreat that was offered by Father Goldade, Fr. Robinson (x2), Fr. Levin, and another Priest in Richfield, CT that started on July 12 ending on July 17, 2010.

[defgill]

@darijo203 the Vatican II/ novous ordor church is not Catholic. If it were, they wouldn't allow and promote false religions and heretical religions such as Protestantism. Have they ever read Pope Pius XI's Mortalium Annimos #10 on true religious unity (bringing everyone back to catholicism)? Schism is rejecting to be in communion with TRUE CATHOLICS, not heretics and apostates. If the "pope" is not Catholic then why would we be in communion with them?

[TheNCBill]

@darijo203 Vatican II put the Church in chaos..

[JamesMoi1981]

This may quite possibly be the best sermon I've ever heard. Amazing. Thank God for what the Society is doing

[crafter111]

Nice rant but I prefer to obey Christ than be railroaded by fanatics such as you!

``Do as they say,not what they do`` Jesus said about the Temple Authorities.

Obedience is the mark of a true follower of Christ!

[Oblationem]

To answer your comments: From the archives of Bp. Williamson:

A.

If the crisis in the Catholic Church goes on getting worse, as seems likely for the moment, there are going to be more and more Catholics wishing to keep the Faith who will be tempted to become sedevacantists, that is, to believe that there has been no true Pope on the See of Peter since, say, the death of Pius XII in 1958.

[Oblationem]

B.

In the hope of decreasing rather than increasing the confusion of such Catholics in a near future promising to be not easy, may I present the double reason for which I have never myself been a sedevacantist.

The main problem, obviously, is the liberalism of the last five Popes in particular (John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I and II, Benedict XVI). Instead of resisting the anti-catholic modern world, they preferred to adapt more or less to its errors. The result was foreseeable:

[Oblationem]

C.

the decomposition of the Church, to the point that one may fear that in a few more years there will be none of it left standing. Then how is it possible that two...or three...or five Vicars of Christ are Vicars of Christ, in Heaven's name! "Can there have been such bad Shepherds of the Universal Church?" "It cannot be!" cry out the sedevacantists, "They cannot have been true Popes!"

[Oblationem]

D.

Let us note firstly that this often-indignant reaction proceeds from the Faith. If someone did not believe in the Church, in the Papacy in particular, obviously he would have no difficulty in granting that Popes could be gravediggers of the Church. But let us also note that it is exactly the same argument that pushes liberal Catholics to be liberal, and sedevacantist Catholics to become sedevacantist: (Major premise) The Pope is infallible. (Minor premise)

[Oblationem]

E.

The recent Popes are liberals. (Liberal conclusion) Therefore we must become liberal. (Sedevacantist conclusion) Therefore these "popes" are not true Popes.

From which it seems that sedevacantists may not be so anti-liberal as they may think! Indeed over the last 30 years we have seen several leading sedevacantists topple over into liberalism in the most surprising way, and even now we see certain leading figures of Catholic" Tradition" being tempted to embrace conciliar Rome.

[Oblationem]

F.

A Catholic being tempted by sedevacantists cannot think too hard on this apparently surprising relationship between sedevacantism and liberalism: they may be like heads and tails of the same coin.

Now in the argument condensed above, the logic is good, the Minor is good, so the problem must be in the Major. It lies in fact in the exaggeration of papal infallibility. And here we come to my double reason:

[Oblationem]

G.

to make the Truth and the Church of God so dependent on human beings is a too human way of considering the things of God.

As for Truth, it is natural or supernatural. Natural truth we read in the nature of created things, and all humankind's stupidities and fantasies cannot change one little bit of what is to be found or read there. As for supernatural Truth, it has existed without change in the mind of God since all eternity. It was merely revealed by Our Lord Jesus Christ,

[Oblationem]

H.

who as man repeatedly said that it was above him.

It has been merely handed down ever since by the Apostles and their successors, with the Popes at their head. "Heaven and earth will pass away," says Our Lord, "but my words will not pass away" (Mk. XIII, 31).

So let us not be unduly concerned if Our Lord's human instruments, including his Popes, fail even gravely in handing down his Truth, or in defending his Church. This Truth and Church come from God and to him they belong.

[Oblationem]

I.

It is God who chose to entrust them into the hands of men easily capable of putting them in peril, but how could he embellish his Heaven with the great heroes of his Church unless it was also possible for unheroes to betray it? And if unheroes do put it in peril, do we imagine that God is incapable of dosing with precision that peril for the good of the elect,

[Oblationem]

J.

both shepherds and sheep, a precision that absolutely excludes the destruction of the Church? Who do we take God for? "Is my hand shortened, that it cannot redeem?" says the Lord, "or have I no power to deliver?" (Is. L, 2).

[Oblationem]

K.

Surely the fact that the latest Popes have been tottering is no reason either to follow them regardless or to reject them regardless. Let us quietly pray for them, because at the split second or seconds in time calculated from eternity by God, he will intervene to rescue in his Pope the principle of authority, alone capable of saving Church and world.

Mother of the Church, intercede for the Vicars of your Son!

Bp. Richard Williamson

[oblatusosb]

Richard Williamson forgot one very simple thing: that Jesus was Jewish. and that the Roman Pontiff is the successor of Peter and all the Bishops of Rome after him. He excluded himself from the body of the Church.

[Oblationem]

@oblatusosb

First of all, it is ‘Bishop Richard Williamson’ not Richard Williamson. He was ordianed in the traditional legitimate oridantion rite, the same rite that all our canonized saints were ordianed in, not a doubtful Roman Protestant Novus Ordo rite. It is asinine for anyone  to think that he has forgotten Jesus was a Jew or Papal succession. He is not the one who has excluded himself from the teachings of Catholic Faith, he has not tried to change the truth…

[oblatusosb]

@Oblationem I dont think this is the forum to go on a diatribe about Richard Williamson, an ordeined bishop outside the body of the Holy Roman Catholic Church therefore in my vocabulary an heretic. (I feel sorry that Pope Benedect XVI has felt for the good of the Holy Church to lift the state of excomunication to this man) a denier of the Holocaust and till recentleey the supremacy of the Holy Roman Pontiff. Turn it the way you wish dear Oblationem what sound heretic, is heretic.

[Oblationem]

I don’t think you know the definition of the word “heretic.” To call someone a heretic without even knowing the definition of that word is a scandal is it not? Also in secular history concerning the Jewish Holocaust (which many others were murdered) Bp. Williamson does not deny that it happen, he questions the figures, look it up. The real meaningful Holocaust was Jesus being offered-up for our sins. When you hear the word “Holocaust” you should associate that word with Jesus.

[oblatusosb]

@Oblationem if you associate the word Holocaust to Jesus you are a total fool and I have nothing more to say.

[oblatusosb]

@Oblationem My friend I know perfectly well the meaning of words; and as it's said:" words hurts more than the sward". It's an historical established fact by the accounts of German Nazi sources that Jews were exterminated in the millions. and I will say this to you sir even the life of a single Jewish person is a great holocaust to tolerate in this world. your association to Jesus is an insult to their memory. Jewish had 2000 years of hate and suffering by the hands of the so called Christians.

[Oblationem]

@oblatusosb No one is denying that many Jews were murdered by the Nazis. However as I’ve said before, when one thinks of the word “holocaust” they should be thinking of the more prominent Holocaust of Jesus crucified, who by the way was a Jew.

[oblatusosb]

@Oblationem The crucifiction of Jesus has nothing to do with the Holocaust (the perishing by violent criminal hands of 6 mill. Jews ) to put the 2 together is blasphemy and you dont know what you are talking about. As a matter of fact this all page is out of bounds from what the true faith is concerned. EXTRA ECClesiam NULLA SALUS. This was true at the time of the first christians it is true now, either you are IN or OUT.

[Oblationem]

@oblatusosb Yes you are absolutely right; the Jews murdered by the Nazis have nothing to do with the True Holocaust, which was Jesus, the Christ the Messiah offered-up to God and crucified for our salvation.

Okay either you’re in or you’re out – but who is in and who is out – those who have the buildings or those who have the True Catholic Faith as taught for over 2,000 years?

[oblatusosb]

@Oblationem LOOK no further my dear Oblationem. The Nicene Creed tell it all, either you believe and then you follow the Holy Roman Catholic Church. or you dont and that is another story. we cant just pick and choose, oh this is good and I will follow or this is not good etc. too many people, priests , bishops do that already.

[Oblationem]

@oblatusosb

That’s right, we just can’t pick and choose, change scripture and sacraments like the Novus Ordo does. We must follow the teachings of the Catholic Church as taught always and everywhere for over 2,000 years. Either you do or you don’t…

[TheNCBill]

@oblatusosb You have no clue...He disputed ( correctly ) the lies you've been told.

[TheNCBill]

@oblatusosb You couldn't be more wrong.The Vatican II bishops are homosexual hiding, faithless, cowardly, comprimised modernists.

[oblatusosb]

We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge. Pius IX

[TheTripleDonation]

@Oblationem

Our Lady of La Salette said that the Church will be in eclipse ("Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist...the Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay.") - this was covered up. Our Lady also asked the Church to consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart - this was not done. Cardinal Siri was elected Pope in 1958 but was replaced by those who have gradually diluted the Catholic Church to be compatible with Protestantism etc.;

[oblatusosb]

@TheTripleDonation I hope u dont believe in this nonsense, Lady of la Salette,Lourdes and all that rubbish.

People should return to the time of the Catacombes; just plain cristal clear doctrine, without all this nonsense.

[Autismmom]

Worth listening to more than once. I think this is the third time for me :)

God Bless you, Fr. Cooper.

[crafter111]

I cannot in truth fully support the SSPX but I can and do sympathise with many of the criticisms of Vatican II stated here.

I suppose that the only way to return the church to sanity is for a truly traditional bishop to become Pope!

[Oblationem]

Cannot fully support, sympathize?

Its time to get off the fence. Either you are for the traditions and teachings of the Catholic Church or you are not. It is CLEAR that the Novus Ordo is in apostasy in spite of whatever warm fuzzy feelings they may or may not have about being Catholic. Action, not sympathize is what is needed by supporting the SSPX and all traditionalists, by assisting at Mass, and not giving money to the illegitimate N.O. bastards.

[dgrif88]

Brilliant Sermon. Thanks for posting.

God Bless you Fr. Cooper and the SSPX

[alaya10008]

that is a very very Good Cermone

This priest has Charisma May God bless him

even more Amen

[DonVicente67]

Thank you for posting this excellent speech! So much truth in it.

[koreanwutard]

is the catholic the mother church?

[Oblationem]

Did God found another Church other than the Catholic Church?

[koreanwutard]

yes (the day of Pentecost) the catholic church in the Bible is defined as the "mystery babylon the great the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth"

[catholicam]

no i believe that is protestanism and all those that wish to seperate themselves from Christ and His bride the church.

[1God1Church1Faith]

Please stop deceiving people with your heretical lies that will only drag them to hell. Your lies are as spit in the Holy Face of Christ.

[Oblationem]

Hum Correct me if Im wrong, but there have been more people that have left the Catholic Church since and because of Vatican II than anytime in Church history. I suppose many of them have gone to hell because of Vatican II and the new religion of the New Church. I/we only fight for what has always been Catholic, we invent nothing new.

[alaya10008]

Halleluya you are right

we have to retrun

i belive that Pope Benedict is on a Good way

what is your opinion on this?

yes we must stay faithfull

to our wonderfuhl faith

[Oblationem]

By their fruits you shall know them. What are his fruits? What has he done to promote the Catholic Faith?

[alaya10008]

He has reintroduced the Latin Mass

which is a great step in the right Direction.

but you seem to have a different opinion.

how ever i really think Pope Benedict is widli

miss understood

[Oblationem]

These are (just) some of the things the pope has said:

The Eastern schismatic sect has apostolic succession.

Muslims worship the One True God.

A Catholic cannot uphold the Councils of Trent and Vatican I.

Protestants who believe in the Eucharist share in the True Presence.

The Church of Rome is not the Mother of all churches. Bread and wine does not physically change to be Christ.

Rome must not require the Greek schismatics to abjure their errors on the Papal Primacy.

[alaya10008]

Oh i see where you are heading

yes this are deep isues and i think to big to discuse here in detail how ever i would like to inform my self on each of this statements my self

if you could send me the text sources you have for this i would be interested to read the how and why etc. of this statement's.

s i am open and pleas send me this true a personal e-mail .

On the other hand i wonder how would you justifi separating your self from the Authority of the chair of Peter.

[MMan1964]

Read the LONG prayer to St. Michael. In that Pope Leo XIII gives the Church a prophecy of what was to be done to the Papacy. In effect, there are 2 thrones in the Vatican - one of St. Peter, the other of Antichrist. This ties in with Our Lady's warnings of LaSalette that "Rome will lose the Faith, and become the seat of antichrist." and Her warning that "the Church will be in eclipse."

The conspiracy for one world government had to hijack the Papacy. This was achieved at Vatican II.

[A87MN10]

The end of the world aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

were all gonna die......

oh well..... my soulz ready

[marekkoc]

a text version!!! PLEASE!!!

[orbis2009]

Please more videos, Fr. Cooper and other priests...It's another means of missions and helping people to understand!

[brisky32]

Exactly, I could not understand how Christ would allow such a scandal as theHoly Mass being invalid. Especially since the Novus Ordo Mass is said much much more and in more places than the tridentine mass. It doesn't add up, unless the end of the worl is coming within our lifetime...that's the only way this would all make sense.

[Oblationem]

Christ could allow such a scandal by giving us FREE WILL. What doesnt add-up is that the Mass of All Time has been relegated to second place. Go figure. Free will to screw things up again I guess.

[brisky32]

One thing the saints never did was go against the Pope, those who did ended up being heretics. One has to be wrong: either the Catholic Church or the traditional extremests...

[Oblationem]

It is permissible to resist the Pope when he invades souls and troubles the commonwealth; and moreover, if he appears to be causing harm to the Church, it is permissible, I say, to resist him by not doing what he enjoins and by preventing his will to triumph. --St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice

[MMan1964]

We have in Church history, saints living at the same time who backed different men to the Throne of Peter. This meant one of the saints was WRONG on the matter, but was personally holy enough to be a SAINT.

Pope Leo XIII's LONG prayer to St. Michael is prophecy to us. In it he says "In the Holy See itself....THEY have raised the throne of THEIR abominable impiety with the iniquitous DESIGN that when the shepherd is struck, the sheep may be scattered." They want to destroy the Papacy.

[Oblationem]

Prophecy is not my forte.

[MMan1964]

Read the LONG prayer to St. Michael. In that Pope Leo XIII gives the Church a prophecy of what was to be done to the Papacy. In effect, there are 2 thrones in the Vatican - one of St. Peter, the other of Antichrist. This ties in with Our Lady's warnings of LaSalette that "Rome will lose the Faith, and become the seat of antichrist." and Her warning that "the Church will be in eclipse."

The conspiracy for one world government had to hijack the Papacy. This was achieved at Vatican II.

[mmorrtt]

I heard a priest say that the loss of the perfect liturgy is a punishment from God; it doesnt mean the world is coming to an end.

[novusdisorder00]

Thank God for the SSPX, for keeping the faith

[ddmiller4]

I wouldn't step foot in a Novus Ordo catechism class. You playing with fire by doing this. It's not a good example. Kind of like when the changes started happening in the 60's, you could find priests in bars who were their to "witness" to the lost sheeep. All it does is cause scandal. Or kind of like going to a Novus Ordo Mass, to know what to "refute" in a debate. Just not a good idea.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

As long as SSPX stays the course (easy keep the faith) all will be well, I don;t think thry will will allow a invalid "measse" and invald "bishops/priests" in their buildings

Novus Ordo are not true Catholics I can prove it to any doubter. If a alleged Catholic contacts me I can PROVE #1 a heretic cannot be a Pope and #2 Benedict 1666 is a MANIFEST HERETIC/APOSTATE ...it's your Mortal sin Summa Theolilligica tou cannot defend your position in the face of my evidence, see my channel God Bless

[brisky32]

Then prove it to me. Becauase for all these years every saint i know that was cann. followed the Pope. You may message me if you feel this comment will be long.

[Oblationem]

Okay, how about St. Athanasius?

[brisky32]

what about him? What about the Pre-Tridentine Mass? Why change it to the tridentine? Same with the Novus Ordo Mass. The same Christ has been with us through all three main forms of the Mass. And I'm sure each form has been said well and poor.

[Oblationem]

The pre-Tridentine Mass (if you want to call it that) was the Old Testament of the Jews being the chosen people of God, which was done away with Jesus the Christ. They (the Jews) are no longer the chosen people. The first Mass was the Last Supper, this is My Body this is My Blood do this in remembrance of Me etc. The Traditional Catholic Latin Mass most preserves the truths of the Catholic faith. The Novus Ordo mass didnt arrive until 1969 and does not. Preserve the truths of Catholicism.

[brisky32]

The term Pre-Tridentine Mass refers to the variants of the liturgical rite of Mass in Rome before 1570. I'm pretty sure it was during the council of Trent when the Tridentine Mass was made. And what you said about the pre-tridentine mass i can't find any other sources to back that up.

[Oblationem]

Well okay, but the Tridentine Mass was already in use and became codified, statute law, written down at the Council of Trent.

[Oblationem]

No mistake. They are the New Church with a new mass to match their new theology, and they do this knowingly, they are not stupid men. The SSPX is not severing all contact with them. However I hope the SSPX signs no deal with them that would allow a Novus Ordo mass to be said in any SSPX chapel, nor mandate a SSPX priest to say the new mass anywhere. The SSPX does not claim to be the Church, but it claims to be part of the Church and the light that keeps the True Faith burning.

[SacramentDefender]

Amen!

[kdurston1]

Actually the risen Christ appeared to several non beleivers. James and Thomas didn't beleive until the saw the risen Lord. Indeed, Paul certainly didn't beleive. this is actually part of the evidence for the resurection that is effective in refuting atheism. I'm somewhat surprised that the Father is not aware of this traditional (and ancient) dogmatic theological arguement. although generally i enjoy Fr. Cooper's lessons, this one is not even pre Vatican II in it's scriptural interpretation.

[Oblationem]

1.

I would say Fr. Cooper understands, wouldnt you? He was giving a Sunday sermon telling a story to be conveyed, not trying to argue a theological point. Fr. Cooper said: that after the resurrection Christ appeared to about 500 people (brethren) at once, according to scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:6.

Jesus also appeared to more of His friends as James in 1 Corinthians 15:7. To Mary Magdalene in Mark 16:9 and John 20:14. To the women in Matthew 28:9-10.

[Oblationem]

2.

To two disciples on the road to Emmaus Luke 24:15-32. To Peter Luke 24:34. To His disciples and other followers in a locked room Luke 24: 36-53. And again to His disciples when doubting Thomas one of the twelve (a friend) was present in a locked room. John 20: 24-29. To seven of His disciples (disciples are friends) at the sea of Tiberias. John 21: 1-24. He appeared to eleven disciples on a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:18-20). (The Great Commision).

[Oblationem]

3. To his disciples along the road to Bethany, on the Mount of Olives, and then ascended into Heaven. (Luke 24:50-53).

He was seen by Paul (who became a friend, a vessel of election) on the road to Damascus. (Acts 9:3-15.

[Autismmom]

Thank you. I needed this.

Veronica - Slave of Mary

[Eskadron22]

The 27th is the fore-last at the most if I remember correct? There can only be 28 sundays after Easter. In the "modern church" we had the "32rd sunday", which doesn't even exist.

[Oblationem]

Yes you are correct, just 28 Sundays after Pentecost.

The modern church is the church of ecumenism with a modern ecumenical mass (Small m) that is almost identical to the Presbyterian service. Check it out for yourself.

The Traditional Catholic Latin Mass is the Mass of the Catholic Faith. Everything about this Mass is centered towards God and what the Church has always taught, with all of its Doctrine. The new church is just spitting into the wind, in the end it cannot win

[catolicobruno]

yeah, yeah ,yeah.. new church. So the true Church is old... and gone? It cannot be! Jesus promised and where is His Vicar, there is the true Church, there is Jesus Christ! There is no new Church. There is only one!

[Oblationem]

Well what Jesus said was: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

But what you dont understand is that: Traditional Catholics are the ones defending those words. The new church wants to share the authority with others, and whores around with our enemies. Vicars come and go, but it is the Church that will last, no thanks to the Novus Ordo. Would you also want us Traditionalists to kiss the Mohammedan Koran?