Vaccines Didn't Cause Autism--CNN report 2/12/09 576x324 dl

[markscott7777777]

sanjay sucks on big pharmas cock, for plenty of kickbacks, on CNN and loves it 

[Ahabite]

Perhaps anti-vaxers could produce a few studies that demonstrate, rigorously and with a minimum of confounding variables or factors, that those people who now have autism. Because we all know that absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence, it is important to get the proof either way, before with run off with half-baked notions on weakly correlative relationships.

[markscott7777777]

1. ? 2. answer already given.

3. so you are a complete dick.

4. where are the papers that i asked for, having trouble finding them.

For everyone else he cant find them because they dont exist, and hes from the USA, so everything that other countries do will never get up to their standards, or is perceived of as nutty.

Mind, the USA only permits you to come to their country after some dickhead has had his hand down your pants all under the terms of their own national insecurity.

[markscott7777777]

For everyone else go and read the actual hearing evidense.

You will never think the same about this subject ever again.

And all the bitching in a youtube comments pages wont change it.

Challenge yourself , do some reading, its only your kids health that is at stake.

The MSM and the medical establishment told some big fibs about swine flu, everyone is suspicious about that, now find out about some of the other porkies that they keep to themselves.

Its enlightening !

[markscott7777777]

Explain the not guilty verdict, i am sure you can find it in the transcript.

Yes, i have been practising since i was 22 years old, went to university at seventeen, 5 years to qualify, what is the big deal.

This is the case with most people in the UK, although i do admit that nowadays qualifing student have usually taken a year out after high school, as it is the fashion, making them 23 or 24 when they qualify.

Only a complete dick would try insinuate otherwise especially without asking

[cldstrcrft]

@markscott7777777

1. Link to transcript?

2. Um...seriously? I just gave you a list of papers. It doesn't matter if Dr. Elliman said thee are no papers. The fact is that there are plenty of them.

3. The UK permits people to become practicing doctors after 5 years of high education? That is just nutty. Though what could I expect from a nation that recognizes homeopathy as a medicine?

[arlenazeek1]

CDC and FDA need to get a clue. We the parents are not as dumb as they think we are.

[markscott7777777]

do some basic research on all the MSM doctor people, like sanjay gupta, they all have really quite significant share portfolios in big pharma.

and i am sure this would never sway their opinions.

and before anyone replies to me that you cant be that cheeky to a doctor.

i say, yes you can, especially after the swine flu bullshit that we had to put up with last year.

we were all going to die, if we were not immediately vaccinated, for what turned out to be very mild flu.

[markscott7777777]

the best way to get your doctor to tell the truth about vaccines is

1. let them give the full blurb about how totally safe vaccines are.

2. try to appear interested and considerate.

3. ask some basic questions.

then say these words,

" do you declare under penalty of full commercial liability, that what you have said is completely truthful, and these products are completely safe and will have no long term side effect "

its worth it just for the look on their faces.

[MicroRedhawk]

@markscott7777777

Poliomyelitis infection has decreased 99% globally since 1988. In the 50's there were 50 million cases of smallpox each year and now there are zero. Diphtheria has an incidence rate of 0% in the USA today. How did all this happen? Well thanks to vaccines of course. As my immunology professor said, "Nothing in medicine has proven itself more than vaccines". And im sorry, I trust him, whom has a PhD in immunology and has numerous years under his belt, more than Jenny McCarthy.

[markscott7777777]

@MicroRedhawk

And please show me the peer reviewed papers on safety and efficacy of the

A( H1N1 ) Swine flu vaccine.

You may ask immunolgy professor for these papers !

Please no papers on immunology response degree, just safety and efficacy.

Hopefully this will further inprove your trust in your professor.

Dont forget to get back to me with those papers.

Should be fun, and wont take you long.

[markscott7777777]

@MicroRedhawk

Carefull before you answer.

I am still a fan of the polio vaccine, sabin, the pink sugar cube, yes the one with the SV40 monkey cancer virus in it, fact, its in the medical books and i can quote if you want and i am pretty sure that its not there now.

Polio is a nasty horrible disease with high mortality and higher morbidity.

This justifys the use of the vaccine even if it has some side effects, and there are some.

Does that mean that all vaccines are safe.

[markscott7777777]

@markscott7777777

Carefull before you answer

Because your immunology professor may have a PhD, big portfolio in big pharma, big research grant that would never sway his opinion and his microscope jammed up his ass.

But i have been practising for the last twenty years while vaccine " suspected " related injuries have expolded and the public and noted doctors everywhere are begining to raise an eyebrow or two at the nazi like behaviour of govt agencies and public health officials.

[cldstrcrft]

@markscott7777777

Why would you have any reason accuse his immunology professor of such egregious violations of scientific ethics? I'm tired of conspiracy theorist like you slandering the pharmaceutical industry and university scientists.

Rational discourse with people like you is impossible.

Fuck you.

[markscott7777777]

@cldstrcrft

" rational discourse with people like you is impossible ! "

" Fuck You "

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !

the great thing about what happened last year with swine flu is that ordinary people twigged that their wa something wrong because the authorities seemed to be getting their knickers in a twist about mild flu.

and now pandoras box is open on all of vaccination !

doctors everywhere are now speaking to their patients off the record.

[markscott7777777]

@cldstrcrft

and as for egregious scientific vilolations.

please show me the double blind placebo trials that have been done on vaccinations in the last 25/30 years.

i will stick with what an emminent professor said to the GMC, when cross examined during a fitness to practice hearing.

" there have been no significant double blind placebo trials of any vaccine in the last 25 years. "

what did your immunology professor say about this important point !

absolutely nothing.

caught !

[markscott7777777]

@cldstrcrft

and finally i have good reason to accuse !

because they are guilty of what i have stated.

i know, i used to be one of them, you stupid chump.

my favourite thing, that is about to happen, with all this new information that is coming to light, is that their are certain members of the community who are going to deal to all the public health nazi types, in less than a cordial manner the next time TPTB decide to pull a stunt like swine flu.

lets see if you are tired then !

[cldstrcrft]

@markscott7777777

1. What "emminent professor" was this?

2. There would be no point in me finding double blind trials, since you will simply label them "insignificant." I'm not going to fall for that trap.

3. I don't have an immunology professor.

4. Where did you perform research?

5. From your impeccable spelling, grammar, and syntax, my only conclusion is that you are indeed a reputable immunologist. I yield to your expertise.

(Don't both providing solid evidence or anything)

[markscott7777777]

@cldstrcrft

1. Dr. Elliman during the hearing of Dr. Donegan.

2. Still waiting for those peer reviewed papers.

3. Then why are you standing up for one or giving a toss.

4. NYB ! Dont want a hearing of my own. Invariably happens.

5. 20 years in practice. Fuck your grammar lesson its youtube not a test. Wank.

[cldstrcrft]

@markscott7777777

1. Dr. Donegan? As in the homeopath? Funny, I can't find that transcript.

2. The Lancet, Volume 349, Issue 9046, Pages 155-159; The Lancet Oncology, Volume 6, Issue 5, Pages 271-278; JAMA. 1994;272:1661-1665; Vaccine Volume 28, Issues 40, September 2010; pp 6573; The Lancet, Volume 376, Issue 9741, Pages 615-623; The Lancet, Volume 375, Issue 9708, Pages 56-66; Vaccine, Volume 28, Issue 5, February 2010, pp 1209.

Gee, that was hard.

[markscott7777777]

@cldstrcrft

Please show me the double blind placebo peer reviewed papers.

They dont exist, dr elliman said so, in evidence, she is an expert, and sits on the JCVI, SAGE, DoH and committees, although it was a squeeze, for Ian Stern to get it out of her.

The problem that you have is that because of the swine flu hysteria doctors are now explaining to patients with concerns what this really means and are no longer explaining in an over bearing, you dont understand sort of way.

[419Films]

@markscott7777777 "They dont exist, dr elliman said so, in evidence, she is an expert, and sits on the JCVI, SAGE, DoH and committees, although it was a squeeze, for Ian Stern to get it out of her."

Just to confirm, you're talking about Dr. D. Elliman who gave evidence on days 2-5 at the Fitness to Practice hearing for Dr. J. Donegan back in 2007, correct? If so, I'm sure DAVID Elliman would be very surprised to hear about his sex change operation. :-)

[markscott7777777]

@419Films

well spotted grammar error, i hope you forgive me.

but if they introduce mandatory MMR vaccination, as it looks like they are going to do in the UK, it may not end up being incorrect as i know some people who will personally emasculate all those involved in this evolving scandal.

Prof David C. Elliman of the Royal College is the GMC's go to guy hit man, for doctors who speak out.

Have you ever met him or his pals on the JCVI like blinky donaldson. " it govt policy "

[419Films]

@cldstrcrft The transcript mentioned is there, although he is (probably not surprisingly) twisting the wording slightly. "I am sure you will understand that it is difficult for me to say no study at all, but I cannot think of any of the current vaccines that we have where there is a recent (by which I mean within the last 20 - 30 years) randomised control trial comparing comparing someone who has the vaccine with someone who does not have any vaccines at all." I can PM you the URL, if you like.

[cldstrcrft]

@markscott7777777

3. Because you're wrong.

4. If you're a homeopath like Donegan, then you probably deserve one.

5. Your profile lists you as being 42. What have you been practicing since 22 years old?

[justinloc187]

yeak i trust cnn lol

[shineurs2]

I do not believe anything that these ALPHABET SOUP agencies or medias throw out...I will err on the side of caution and allow holistic remedy, prevention and staying away from the white coats, drug pushers whenever possible...staying away from most of what they put out of their pharma factories...

[morepuppies]

The autism rate was 1 in 166, but that report was from three years ago.

Now it is 1 in 110.

It is an epidemic and there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic.

ten days after these cases were announced, the Baily Banks case was also announced. The court ruled that MMR "caused in fact" his ASD. The media would not touch it. Google "Baily Banks MMR"

[jffryfnt]

No, the court did not rule that MMR caused 'ASD' at all. In fact, Bailey Banks was not diagnosed with autism at all! The case was in fact about Non-autistic developmental delay. The case attempted to draw a line between vaccines and Pervasive Developmental Disorder - Not Otherwise Specified. Even though no scientific link had ever been established, the burden of disproof prevailed and Banks won the case. As any self-respecting scientist knows, it's quilt difficult to prove a negative.

[morepuppies]

@jffryfnt PDD-NOS is an autism spectrum disorder. Where are you getting "non-autistic developmental delay"?

[ultradumbass]

actually 1 in 110 haven't been diagnosed. it is some estimation that some people have said. at this moment only one in three thousand have been diagnosed. and the reason is not from an epidemic like Neuro Typical idiots would think, but because they had to lower the standards a bit to fit severe ADHD people who had severe problems at work but received no support from the government.

[TheSoaringEmerald]

What if the autism ratio was always 1 in 38 (South Korean Statistic) since the dark ages, but we're only discovering autism fully now? In the nineties the autism diagnosis was more officially recognized and broadened near the same time the vaccines were used. What if this is all just coincidence and there is no epidemic? There may be other explanations, but I cannot be convinced that vaccines are wholeheartedly responsible. However,I do give honest respect to your judgements.

[newgtguy]

Amish people don't get Autism. Amish people don't take vaccines.

[jffryfnt]

Most don't go to the doctor, either. So you don't really know that. Actually, those Amish that do, autism HAS been diagnosed. So that is an outright lie that you've been told.

[newgtguy]

The autism rate for U.S. children is 1 in 166, according to the federal government. The autism rate for the Amish around Middlefield, Ohio, is 1 in 15,000, according to Dr. Heng Wang, a doctor who treats Amish people.

Check Dr. Andrew Wakefield's study in the Lancet Medical Journal.

Do not trust the AMA. They do not have our best interest in mind.

[jffryfnt]

Did you know, that genetic factors could potentially play a significant role in autism?

Furthermore, Dr. Wakefield?? That very study that was published in the Lancet has been RETRACTED. Not only because he published faulty data that can't be repeated but also because of conflict of interest. As it was later found out he was in cahoots with litigious lawyers looking for a link. Wakefield has also been cited for scientific misconduct. And is no longer a researcher. NO STUDY CONFIRMS THAT LINK.

[jffryfnt]

Yeah, don't trust the AMA. People just like you with kids just like you, putting their kids at risk for their own wallets?? The real question here is why scientifically ignorant people are so easily swayed by conspiracy theories or if there is any sort of allegation of corruption, with no evidence, they're more apt to believe that the world is out to 'get them'. Intellectual LAZINESS. Get off the TV.

[newgtguy]

First, I have no Kids.

Second, I don't care about my wallet.

Third, what do you mean by "Scientifically?" Are you referring to a lack of evidence? What is evidence? Does a "Study" provide evidence?

I am not intellectually lazy and I never watch TV.

Your responses are full of assumptions. I contend that assuming anything without the proper information demonstrates LAZINESS.

Perhaps you should ask how much TV I watch before assuming I need to stop. Just a suggestion.

[jffryfnt]

OBVIOUSLY, you are scientifically ignorant because if you weren't then you would have known that Dr. Wakefield's Lancet paper was defunct, lacked merit, can't be repeated, and was found ultimately to be fraudulent. Hence, why he was cited for scientific misconduct which will most certainly end one's scientific career due to disregard for scientific integrity.

If you weren't intellectually lazy, then you should know this rather than rely on some outdated paper, let alone one that was RETRACTED.

[newgtguy]

How many scientific papers have been written? Are you aware of every single one?

I'm sure even Einstein was not familiar with every single "scientific" paper written in his time. Was he scientifically ignorant?

Please answer my question. What do you mean be scientifically? Are you referring to a study?

[jffryfnt]

So you're saying it's okay to be ignorant because you haven't read every single scientific published report on your favorite subject?

What do you think I mean by 'scientifically'? Look up what it means in a dictionary, and that's exactly what I mean. It's called the scientific method.

[Southsider75]

You are so right about this. That paper got so much publicity. If you are going to throw that info out there, you should know that it had been retracted. Anyone who knows anything at all about autism research knows that.

[markscott7777777]

@jffryfnt

possibly, but why did it take the GMC nearly ten years to begin taking action against Dr Wakefield.

i am only asking because the main premise of the arguments discrediting his reasearch are reputedly,absolutely irrefutable, and as you say his research is defunct and lacked merit.

please help me also, because the very paper you discuss was co-written by Prof. Simon Murch, who was not struck off, and Prof Walker Smith, who was, despite the fact that he has been retired 10 years.

[markscott7777777]

@jffryfnt

and Prof. Walker-Smith, retired ten years, and aged 74, was the most senior person related to the paper, that is always refered to as Dr. Wakefields, has not and will not retract the conclusions that were drawn in that paper.

despite the fact that the The GMC, did offer to retract the serious professional misconduct allegations made against him, if he were to do so.

sounds like professional blackmail to me and fellow colleagues of his, said so in the newspapers.

[briankofke]

@jffryfnt Obviously you are not aware that the key scientist whom is responsible for your beliefe that vaccines and autism share no link was indicted for fraud and money laundering during that study. Wakefield is a hero.

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke That "key scientist" was only involved in two studies, and wasn't even one of the lead researchers in either of them. Even if you want to believe that his indictment invalidates the results of the studies he was a part of, there are literally dozens of others which also show absolutely no link between autism and vaccines or thimerosal.

I do find it funny that you attack Thorsen just for being indicted for fraud, yet are still able to defend Wakefield.

[briankofke]

@ArcanaKnight No, what invalidates the results of ALL of the studies you speak of in favor of vaccines is that they are all funded by big pharma. How about this if you are so into studies; find me a study of kids who were vaccinated and have autism verses kids not vaccinated with autism. You can't because there isn't one. And "You find it funny"... well Fuck you asshole. 1-100 kids now has autism due to these vaccines, and you find it funny. You are an ignorant asshole.

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke "and you find it funny" I don't find it funny that people have autism. I just think we shouldn't spend the limited research dollars looking into something that has repeatedly been shown not to be a cause. What I do find funny (in a "look at the cognitive dissonance" kind of way) is you attacking one scientist for fraud while defending another who was also guilty of fraud.

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke The current autism rate is more likely due to increased surveillance and a broadening of the definition than any true rise in autism. A recent study was published which actually further supports this hypothesis. In it, they did a thorough survey of the general population of S Korea to find all the undiagnosed children with ASD, and they discovered that the true rate of ASD is actually around 2.6%; these aren't new cases from some new cause though, they were there the whole time.

[briankofke]

@ArcanaKnight And that study was funded by which pharmaceutical company? Autism is rife in our society, and crunching the numbers to hide it's enormity is unethical and fickle. Were you able to find a study of vaccinated verses unvaccinated kids and autism rates? Would that not be a great study? Why have they not done it? Oh, thats right, drug companies make billions from vaccines and they don't give a shit about hurting people. You are defending monsters; talk about cognitive dissonance! Man!

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke Would it matter if I provided such a study? Wouldn't you just wave it away as probably being funded by a pharma company, without even checking first if it had been? You want a measure of the differences? What about there being no change in autism rates when the supposed cause (thimerosal) was removed from childhood vaccines, or there being no change in autism rates following drops in MMR vaccination rates (Wakefield's supposed culprit)?

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke "drug companies make billions from vaccines" That is such a ridiculously ignorant remark. They don't really make that much money on vaccines. If the money was really all they cared about, they wouldn't even make vaccines in the first place, they would make much more making the drugs to treat the diseases we're being vaccinated against. Heck, they make more money from producing cosmetic drugs like Viagra than they do from drugs treating or preventing any real medical problems.

[briankofke]

@ArcanaKnight You are an idiot. Drug companies make billions and billions of dollars from vaccines.Are you really that ignorant? If you find a study that has vaccinated vs unvaccinated, then provide it and I will believe you, but you can't because there is no study, never has been one, and never will be one because it will prove that vaccines cause autism. Go ahead, shoot up and get your kids shot up as well! Just remember this lttle chat when you are toldby your doctor that your son is autistic

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke If you're so sure that such a study would conclusively show that vaccines cause autism, then why hasn't the anti-vax crowd done such a study? With their celebrity backing, they could easily fund such a study and have the results be known. I've said before, all it would take to change my mind is two well designed, executed, and analyzed epidemiological studies strongly showing that vaccines cause autism, but to date nobody has been able to provide such evidence.

[briankofke]

@ArcanaKnight It is not the responsibility of the public to conduct scientific research regarding vaccines that are mandatory for people to go to public school, college and many jobs; that is the job of our over paid and drug-company influenced FDA. It is a fact the vaccines have caused autism; the FDA has admitted it and has paid out millions in hush money to many famalies that recently broke their silence and spoke up. The proof is right there, admitted by our own gov., so you are wrong.

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke "its not the responsibility of the public..." Except this issue HAS already been studied, repeatedly; people like you have just decided to ignore or wave-away the evidence and have pushed back the goal line for what you would consider safe. Every single time the supposed cause is disproven, you just move onto some other ingredient, certain that it simply MUST be the vaccines despite the evidence to the contrary.

[ArcanaKnight]

CONT If you want to disagree with the conclusions of the medical community, then you're more than welcome to run your own study which looks at the issue however you want, but your inability to accept the evidence is not reason enough to waste any more research dollars looking at something that has been repeatedly shown not to be a cause, especially when it is evident you probably wouldn't accept the results anyway, especially if it didn't pan out how you wanted.

[briankofke]

@ArcanaKnight Yes, it has been "studied" by people that stand to gain huge sums of money; that is a conflict of interest concerning the health of our children. I have been in the medical field for over a decade now and there is something called anectdotal evidence which until recently has been the key stone of the medical community, and the anecdotal evidence is overwhelming. People like you ignore the fact that this argument is now over! The Gov. admits to paying millions in compensations!

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke As I said, what would be the point in running this study of yours since its evident you would just ignore or discount the results when they don't turn out like you want (which is very likely given the current evidence)? Its clear that nothing could ever convince you that vaccines are safe or even just that they don't cause autism.

[briankofke]

@ArcanaKnight You suffer from cognitive dissonance. Numerous doctors and nurses now believe there is a link between autism and vaccines and have gone public, yet fools like you ignore what they say. Families that were paid hush money by the Gov. because their children developed autism spoke out last week, which proves once and for all that there is a link with vaccines and autism, yet you still ignore this. You are a complete moron and are not worth my time; go fuck yourself and get vaccinated.

[ArcanaKnight]

@briankofke No, that was just an effort to try to imply that legal decisions imply there is a scientific case to be made (there're multiple examples of findings of law having nothing to do with scientific fact). Here's a more thorough review of that report:

h t t p : / / ww w. sciencebasedmedicine. org/?p=12610

[arlenazeek1]

@newgtguy thank you,.

[tfrenn]

you fucking evil white people and your bullshit medicine put fourth by the Big Pharma companies are evil, there isn't a naturally occurring disease that mother earth hasn't provided a natural cure for, cancer, diabetes and things like aids, autism aren't caused by genetics, there man made...none of kids are vaccinated and are perfectly healthy, I use natural occurring herbs to cure their colds and flu, but they haven't had one for years, last time I got the flu is when I had to get a shot

[arlenazeek1]

@jffryfnt the Amish and Midianite communitys do not vaccinate their children I have a friend who is a midianite and she has not vaccinated any of hers ...which is the smartest choice any parent could ever make.

[jffryfnt]

@arlenazeek1 Really? Well tell that to the parents who just lost their child the other day to Whooping cough. Had the child been vaccinated, most likely chance the child would have survived. Please explain the massive increase in vaccine preventable deaths that have occurred ever since Dr. Quakfield published the 'link' between MMR and autism...

[arlenazeek1]

@jffryfnt I am a parent of a child who now faces the daily struggle of autism because he was developing normally up until his last mmr vaccinations..had I known the pain and agony we would both been facing today. I would have took a stand against vaccinations then. the cdc and fda would go to any lengths to cover up the truth. .so they can deny, deny ,deny. tell that to my son who struggles to live and communicate day by day.

[arlenazeek1]

@newgtguy Amen to that...the news media never truly informs anybody with any real studies.

[kamakazechris]

who noticed the cartoon network symbol in the background. Sly eyy

[jffryfnt]

What?

The first sentence in your cacophony: 36,000 died already in the last year from the regular flu...

Last: diseases were 95-100% eradicated before Vaccines were introduced.

Thanks for calling these statement's 'fact's because otherwise I'd really be confused!

Think about this: that's only 1 disease, out of a great many. What are you quoting from, World Health Report or your cozy little suburban neighborhood? 2 billion people on Earth have TB, 3 million die every year. Small example.

[omegaice8]

Ok Lets not blame the Shit food we eat or the polluted water we drink or the toxic air that we breath. Lets not blame the feminist that keep telling women that they can have babies well into there 30's and 40's it is ok to work on your career Until you are 38 and then have a child. Vaccines have saved countless millions of lives through the years, google a little thing called Polio. Wy is the number of Autistic children so much lower in cultures where women have Children in their 20's?

[v1660]

i can understand that people are sceptic on media and politics, but i think its sad that many people think science work the same way they do. scientists all over the world have taken the thesis about vaccines causing authism very seriously, and they have done a vast amount of research on the area, but to this day, they have found no validation for the claim. some people even think everything is corrupt, and only fearmongerers like alex jones(remember y2k?) are telling the thruth.

[ChangeTheRide]

Did more people die from vaccines in the 1976 swine flu fiasco than from the flu itself? I heard that at least 25 people died from the vaccines and hundreds got really sick. But only one person died from the flu? Is that true or a conspiracy?

[careclare]

well, so far 117 people died from swine flu this year, and I dun think they had receive a injection before hand. Does it make you feel better?

[ChangeTheRide]

I don't like to see people die. That's why I encourage people to eat nutritious food instead of fast, convenient food. Eating fruits and vegetables and exposure to sunshine builds up the immune system naturally. Vaccines don't cure diseases, but I'm sure you know that. The best way to boost your immune system and to avoid disease is to eat nutritious foods (try some asparagus for a change) and living in sanitary conditions. Avoid eating food that was created in a lab or on a factory farm.

[aspie101]

It looks like Lonegunmann2000 and his several other accounts are here to censor any pro-vaccination comments or any comments that oppose their rediculous conspiracy and pseudo-scienctific views.

[aspie101]

The main problem with the antivaccine camp is that it is full of quacks, pseudoscientists, money-hungry lawyers, irrational and overemotional parents, and mentally ill conspiracy theorists.

Some of them believe that reptiles are taking over the Earth in human form.

[ChangeTheRide]

I'm not anti-vaccine, I'm pro organic. Nothing gets in my body that isn't supposed to organically. Never had a flu shot and I never will.

You may love shooting yourself with that toxic waste, but I don't. And you say I'm irrational?

[aspie101]

Keep in mind that small pox was eradicated by using a virus, pinacillian (which I am highly allergic to) is created by using a fungus, recently, researchers have discovered a way to stop the growth of cancer by infecting cancer stem cells by using a virus. This means that some of these "toxins" are neccessary. However, not every vaccine is right for every individual.

[ChangeTheRide]

The invention of electricity and the washing machine was the cause for the drop in smallpox in the 20th century - not vaccination.

Vaccination is the the greatest crime against humanity. It is assault with a deadly weapon. Vaccines that Washington and the medical profession are planning to use on Americans has nothing to do with smallpox. It is probably a strain of the deadly 1918 virus that was falsely called the Spanish Flu and that killed more people than any other plague in history.

[ChangeTheRide]

The above quote was from Dr. A.R. Campbell, M.D. -- Discoverer of the Cause of Smallpox.

[aspie101]

Do explain how electricity and the washing machine caused a decrease in smallpox.

[ChangeTheRide]

In the early 1900's Dr. A.R. Campbell, M.D. discovered that smallpox was not contagious nor an air-born disease. He found that the cause of the disease was directly related to people that were exposed to dirty sheets that were infested with Cimex Lectularius (bedbugs).

Thus, as more and more people began utilizing better sanitary practices, the number of people exposed to bedbugs decreased, thus decreasing the number of people with the disease.

[jffryfnt]

Perhaps you need to read about bedbugs, and soon you'll realize that merely washing your sheets isn't enough to contain them. Smallpox is primarily an airborne disease. There's sufficient evidence that supports the fact that vaccinations have eradicated the disease. Don't know much biology, do we?

[ChangeTheRide]

I'm sure Dr. Campbell knew more about the subject than you or me, so I'll trust his research. I also trust the research of Dr. Mercola, who's book, The Great Bird Flu Hoax, proved that deaths caused by diseases were rapidly decreasing with better sanitation practices well before the massive vaccine campaigns began. Again, if you want to shoot up, go ahead. But I never will. Also, I did make the mistake of getting my dog vaccinated. They almost killed him. I spent $3000 to save his life.

[omegaice8]

Bravo, Bravo  well said, people should read before they talk rubbish

[aspie101]

The lawyers and parents who file lawsuits against different corporations claiming that their products cause autism are the real money-hungry individuals. "My son got autism after drinking from a plastic cup from your company. He wasn't autistic before sipping it, now he is after sipping. That's my science that your products cause autism."

Lawsuits like that would never hold up in a rational court.

[jffryfnt]

Excellent analogy, which is exactly the same kind of logic used by those that dubiously correlate vaccines and autism.

[aspie101]

It was an actual case against playtex plastics. People that love to sue need to get a life and learn to take the pain. If the cup was glass instead of plastic and the child had cut himself, then the mother would have sued claiming that the product was not properly made and that's why it cut her son when she had dropped it and he stepped on the shards.

[1011dx]

Yes, and the masses are idiots and they keep getting shots. It is crazy!!

[1011dx]

Vaccines are all about money and nothing more. They contain harmful chemicals such as formaldahyde, MERCURY (also known as thimersal), and many more. It seems people cannot be bothered to educate themselves on the dangers of vaccines. Wake up and smell the coffee. Learn about what your putting in your body and stop living in fear of illness.. Take care of your immune system by eating well and getting some kind of exercise.

[aspie101]

While a healthy diet is essential for the body to function properly, no amount of diet can help you when measles sufficates you. That's why the iron lung was made.

[batigol47]

IF that was the case you must have had an entire nations' worth.

[1011dx]

The risks of vaccines far out weigh any benefits they may claim to offer!!

[batigol47]

That is entirely unfounded in science.

[1011dx]

I will always be thankfull for learning the truth about the harmful effects of vaccines and not ever subjecting my daughter to one shot. Autism is only one of many damaging effects vaccines have on the human body. My daughter is well past the age when some horrible illness should have struck her down. People are so blinded and brain washed. Some of us still have our senses....... Thank God!

[jffryfnt]

Sorry to hear that. Now your daughter is at a higher risk of contracting diseases that can be very harmful and even fatal. And you are putting the public at a higher degree of risk as well. Nice to see the effectiveness of the misinformation movement, too. Thanks for your time.

[batigol47]

Unless your daughter is already dead, she will always be at risk.

[notwitstupidanymore]

I also want to add that there has to be a genetic factor. I feel it is a combination of genetic/enviromental, but refuse to find a quick scapegoat for the cause of autism.

Shame on anyone who thinks their children should catch disease and possibly die vs. getting vaccinated. I was a nurse, and i'll tell ya, measles do happen every now and then though rare, yet very horrible.

[notwitstupidanymore]

Muckstar23-

My oldest son and I have asperger syndrome. My youngest has Pdd-NOS.

My oldest son was vaccinated on time, my youngest just got all of his shots- he is 4.

Both boys had the same autistic characteristics, one vaccinated on time, the other not. You do the figuring.

Autism has been around way before thimerasol was used as a PRESERVATIVE in vaccines, just not recognized until recently.

Take it from a family dealing w/ autism, we'd rather have that than measels mumps and rubella.

[muckstar23]

gee i wonder why there virtually no autism in the amish community,...no vaccinations maybe?

news=lies

[jffryfnt]

Following that same logic, you could also say that electricity causes autism.

Is that rational? Hardly.

[muckstar23]

amish people dont take the v/s

and they have no autism,...

doesnt take a rhodes scholar to do the math

sounds pretty f n rational to me,..

[jffryfnt]

A Rhodes Scholar wouldn't rely on such a correlation, a dubious one at best. A lie can travel the Earth before the truth even get's it's boots strapped on. The whole vaccine/autism link is a myth. Brought about by lawyers who funded a doctor in an attempt to establish a link, and the doctor managed to publish his findings in a scientific journal, only later to be recalled, and the doctor being investigated for professional misconduct.

[muckstar23]

r-u a politician ?u should be!

what the hell does that have to do with

the fact that there is no autism in amish communities?they dont take v/ they dont get autism..of course there is a link,,what else accounts for the huge rise in autism in the last 10 or so years???<

[jffryfnt]

First of all I'm attacking your simple minded logic. I could make the same exact argument that you are by dubiously proclaiming a link between autism rates and the number of certified psychologists practicing today, the number of TV sets sold in the world today, the amount of bandwith available on the internet today. etc etc etc..

[jffryfnt]

Let's think about the facts shall we? Amish are genetically distinct, as they seem to only breed amongst their own. Autism is heavily thought to be a genetic disease. Amish don't interact to much with the outside world, and no comprehensive studies have been performed on their communities, let alone prevalence of disease. Furthermore, they DO vaccinate. The implications of not vaccinating are far worse than vaccinating, they at least know that.

[muckstar23]

u think the amish gene pool is pure,..thats rich

further more they DONT vac/ its against religion

here is a quick study for you,..ready>

amish people dont vaccinate

and they dont get autism -almost zero %

study over...pop quiz monday!!!

[jffryfnt]

The Amish DO vaccinate. The younger generations understand the importance, not the old. Peculiar.

[muckstar23]

only a small % of amish {young and old} vaccinate

like i said b-4

they dont vaccinate

and they dont get autism

NOW THATS PECULIAR !

[batigol47]

According to the Lancaster, PA DOH, the Amish population vaccinates at a 70% rate, and autism is present in the population.

[soldz303]

Vaccine-free is disease-free. If people want to contract the disease let alone other sequela, then get vaccinated. If they want to live a healthy life, then eschew vaccines. And that is real science.

[jffryfnt]

That is a statement of scientific ignorance, as they is no evidence to support your anecdotes.

[ChangeTheRide]

There is a lot of evidence to support a healthy vaccine-free lifestyle. Vaccines don't actually cure anything. Even the vaccine manufacturers admit that. They are an unnecessary risk.

[jffryfnt]

No vaccine manufacturer would ever even pretend that vaccines cure anything because that's not what vaccines do. Period. This exemplifies what is wrong with your perception about vaccines. Vaccines prevent, they are NOT a cure. A cure is defined as something that will eradicate the disease when you ALREADY have it. A vaccine PREVENTS you from getting the disease in the first place. Learn before you spout; learn to critically analyze your sources.

[ChangeTheRide]

Word!

[derikx8321]

Its rush and roulette with vaccinations.. lets just face it