where do u live that heating with propane could cost u 600$ a month. I live in northern canada where -30c is our winter average and our highest bill on natural gas is a 100$ per month. the house i live in is 25 yrs old and no new windows or anything else like that.
@dexterquincy1 Natural gas is way cheaper than propane, and if you live in northern Canada, you're probably close to the source of gas, thus rendering it cheaper. Right now propane is $2.07/gallon where I live, and we go through it quite a bit.
@NardeBanks Don't have it anymore. I moved next door to that house, and the smoke rarely bothers me. I'm usually upwind from the stove, and it burns almost smokeless most of the time.
That is a dirty burn, look at that wood just smoldering. Not efficient at all, please if you are going to burn wood get off your butt and split it to a proper size and allow it to season till it is dry enough to burn (less than 20% moisture). That thing is a creasote machine!
@thesoulsekr I'll also add that the furnace was functioning as it should. When the draft fan is off, which it was in this video, the wood isn't supposed to burn. Only when the fan kicks on is when the wood is burning, and efficiently at that. I didn't use much split wood because split wood has more surface area and the fire would burn too hot creating excess gray smoke.
just bought a house with one these..no idea what to do..what valves have to be open or closed.. about the valves on the back of the unit..and in the basement?
@treasuredtails I'll give you a little checklist. 1. Check to see if there is water in your stove. There should be some type of indicator on the water jacket. 2. Locate and check to see if the pump is plugged in. If it isn't, don't worry. It doesn't need to be this time of year. 3. Locate the valves and check to see if they're open or closed (lefty loosey righty tighty). Chances are the previous owner drained all the water out of the stove to avoid freezing.
they were buying it land contract..lived here few yrs stopped paying got evicted, told owner they drained everything.. when i got this just this month....had to replace all the plumbing in basement for the most part...
no idea on the stove... it is Heatmore...was put in here in 2001
@treasuredtails If it is a HEATMOR, open the front door on the stove and there should be a plaque on the inside indicating the model #. My guess is that it is a 200css like mine. You can go to heatmor.com and either look for a dealer or contact them directly and ask them to send you an operations manual. That should get you going. If you have a basement, there is a good chance that the fill spigot (where you fill it up) is down there on the return line.
@treasuredtails My best piece of advice is to find out what brand of stove it is and contact the nearest dealer. They should get you up and running. If it's a home-made stove, go through my checklist. It isn't much, but it should get you familiar with your stove.
@Landotter1 Unfortunately there is. I went through a lot of wood last winter, even during warmer temps. The pipe I bought is poorly insulated junk. I didn't want to put the stove where it was. I did because my brother in-law wanted to tie into it to heat his trailer and never has. I should've put it about 35 ft. from the house like I wanted to.
@thesoulsekr That sucks... Well, guess you know what you will be doing this summer :-D Double sucks!!! Yeah, at 35 feet or less, the blue or pink foam board probably wouldn't be that expensive and you could just cut it into rectangle pieces and multi layer it box shape and all. That would solve a lot of problems.... Just me thinking out loud. With respect!!!
@Landotter1 I'm most likely gonna sell it and buy an indoor pellet stove. I drive truck and am away from home for a week at a time and my wife cannot lift 100 lb logs in the stove. 40 lb bags of pellets would be easier on her and loading a hopper twice a week would also be less burdensome.
@thesoulsekr Roger-that Roger... I have also looked into the pellet stuff and they even sell pellet making machines.... How cool is THAT? Saw one where they used last year's leaves and lawn clippings.... Man, this stuff is interesting! :-D
Electricity is dirt cheap in Seattle. I heat my house during the coldest winter for $50 a month. It's because we have all the hydro electric dams for plentiful cheap and most importantly clean energy.
IF you burn good clean DRY wood, its OK, but in Pennsylvania, we have these OWB idiots. They will put anything from garbage to tires, even wet , unsplit wood. THOSE folks give ALL OWB a very bad name. Some communities have fought them for good reason. IF you want REAL efficient wood heat, go Masonry Heater. The whole of the unit is inside, and need burn it only twice daily in the coldest conditions,10-12 hours apart, for only 2-3 hours. Maintanence is only once a year chimney inspection/clean.
Wood really is a great way to heat a house. I grew up in a house with a wood/pellet stove that kept the house warm for about 40-50 bucks a month (at the very most). When we used dry pellets we never saw smoke make it past the collector and up the stack. Now i'm paying about $100 in electricity to heat my apartment.
It's also a lot more environmentally friendly considering that many mills are converting to process beetle killed trees into pellets and dimensional lumber.
@tulenut I looked at one of his vids. I agree that his neighbor should somehow modify how he burns his wood in his OWB, unless it's just an isolated incident. My stove usually smokes when the draft fan shuts off (only lasts about 5-10 min.) and just after loading it, but it stops once the wood gets burning, usually after 15-30 min. Othen than that, it's virtually smokeless, which isn't bad for a non-gasification stove.
@tulenut I'll add this comment to the liberals out there: The second they want to PAY to heat my house, then they can dictate to me HOW I heat my house. But as long as I'm footin' the bill, I'm gonna heat with wood!
@thesoulsekr Amen there. I am just sick and tired of people getting on a soapbox and telling us how we are killing them because we burn wood. Those same people are more than willing to use electricity generated in someone else's backyard via coal,trash,etc. I bought a gasifier this year and am tickled to death with it. I was using an airtight stove for the last 15 years, so not a newbie to burnin wood, just to the outdoor stove.
@thesoulsekr And the second you want to PAY for my wife's asthma medications, and our health insurance, then you can tell me what kind of air to breathe. But as long as I'm footin' the bill, then I'm gonna keep bitchin! And as for "liberals", since when are "conservatives" immune from lung disease???
@GoReps I've been burning for 2 years with close neighbors, and I don't hear them complaining. Even the neighbor kid has asthma. People have been burning wood for thousands of years. What makes you think you're gonna be able to change that? I saw your vid, and I AGREE that your neighbor needs to modify the way he burns (probably get a gasifier). It ain't right to be smoking out the neighbors. My question to you is: How do you heat YOUR home in the winter?
@GoReps If you use propane or natural gas, then you're emitting carbon dioxide from a NON-RENEWABLE resource. If you're using electricity you must be rich, cuz I sure don't have the money to pay a $600/month light bill. If the source of electricity is not from a nuclear plant, then you are still emitting more carbon dioxide. As long as OWB's are used RESPONSIBLY, it is cheaper and more efficient than any other method.
@GoReps Well, this should make you happy. I sold the house and no longer have an OWB. I'm either gonna get a pellet stove, make a few solar air heaters, use propane, or a combination of the 3.
Your OWB doesn't bother us because we don't live next door to it. However, you have neighbors who still do. Go solar. Don't believe the lies by the big oil companies- they want to protect their oil investments. A Texas solar company found their panels are more efficient in cold climates because snow reflectivity creates more power than dirt or grass does. Good job. Go solar!
@GoReps Your neighbor's OWB is probably a natural draft. Mine was forced-air draft, which burns more efficiently. People want just too darn much money for wood ($50+/face cord). I'm planning on making 3 solar air heaters for my new home. Shouldn't cost too much, and will save money on gas.
we think much the same. We call wood burning..." zero impact "...as it is largely 'carbon neutral'...! You should really think about fine tuning your OWB, and video it, to launch on youtube. I am SURE..others..(check out 'Expert Village' on youtube..), could benefit from your experience. well, just saying...! Thanks, again, for a view of my interests..!
you sound like you learned a good lesson, and you took responsibility for 'cleaning up' you act. I am a member of the Masonry Heater Association, and our 'technical' committee is hoping to keep the EPA from forcing AND en-forcing stringent (and mostly ridiculous.) regs on the average citizen. SO, all of us , who burn wood ..NEED..to be diligent and careful what, and how we burn. Some places in Pa, are outlawing the burning of wood fired appliances..! NOT GOOD..! I'd rather wood than coal.!
@novokarpati Well I, like many others, would like to see the EPA shut down! Mainly because that agency has powers that are not enumerated in the US Constitution. Burning wood is actually good for the environment, because wood emits CO2 whether it is burned, or rotting in the woods, and it promotes healthy forests as long as it's not abused by overzealous folk.
@thesoulsekr Burning wood is good for the environment??? You need to read something other than the propaganda put out by the wood boiler companies. Burning is bad period. Doesn't matter what you burn, wood, coal, cigs, gas or whatever, the result is toxic emissions that can cause cancer. I know people like you want the EPA shut down, and probably hate teachers too, but if you took just a couple minutes to learn the FACTS, you might have a more informed opinion.
yes, well, you must be doing something right, in York Co, PA there is a major problem with the un-taught way most are burning their OWB, and 'air tight' stoves. In one small municipality, that lies in a secluded valley between two ridges, 3 homeowners are responsible for ALL the pollution caused by their unwise and un-neighborly burning practices. Now, what kind of procedures..IE..dry wood , proper settings, etc, etc do you use to get yours to operate in relative 'smokeless' fashion..? Thanks,
@novokarpati Clean out the ashes regularly (once a week), burn the logs unsplit if you can, don't overload the stove (most important), and don't burn anything other than logs. Last year I burned anything that would fit into the firebox, from OSB, particle board, plywood, 2x4's, 2x6's, old rotten fence panels, pallots. Anything that would burn (except garbage). That thing smoked like crazy, and I believe the neighbors weren't please, especially if they're downwind from the furnace.
let's see the smoke created, is this a new cleaner OWB..??....oh, look at 2:03, what's that crude on the door, hmm, unburnt condensed volities, 'Bigger wood burns slower than smaller....WRONG..., you SHOULD be burning it at least 800+ F for a minimally efficient fire.
@novokarpati It's not a gasification stove if that's what you're asking. When the draft fan shuts off, it kills the air to the fire and the fire just smolders until the aquastat turns the fan back on. Then the fire lights back up. This year my stove has been burning efficiently. I rarely see smoke coming out of the stack when the fire is lit, mainly I see just convection currents coming out.
in the future i plan on having a log home built. plans are arround 5,500 sq feet.
i wanted to try to not have really any form of propane or oil to heat. so i considered thease. weather its through a furnace or a radiant floor heat. of course there will be fireplaces in the house as heat also. And a small wind turbine with a few solar pannels to create my eletricity.
@mifan93 This particular stove retails for around $7500. That's not counting installation, the cost of the water lines, pump, and heat exchangers. So you're looking at close to $10000.
Sorry if I missed it but what state do you live in? I live in PA. Around march or april I'm installing solar panels, and my roof is big enough to power the whole house. I'm debating between an outdoor furnace for heat like yours or an electric heat pump, running off the solar power, supplemented by fireplace insert.
@chrisd234 I live in Michigan. I'd like to do that too, but I cannot afford it at this time. I would also like to integrate wind generators and go completely off the grid. It's usually windy where I live.
@thesoulsekr Thanks! I recently bought a house in rural PA and the gas company wanted to charge me based on previous owners usage. They wanted $570 a month for gas. So I bought a fireplace insert (a big one), and have been doing well with that and two space heaters. Looking at using the first home buyers credit for the solar, or something like this
You know what u guys aviston doesn't have a wood burner or whatever and if we do it neve burns any wood so get over your selves shut he hell up and stop hating on aviston
@skyypilot01 They do have cleaner burning gasification stoves that are EPA I & II compliant. Are they gonna outlaw them as well? It's a crying shame when the gov't says we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and now they outlaw something that would do just that. They are HYPOCRITES to the core!
@firewoodguy2009 Not sure. Probably 8-10. Hopefully I'll burn less this year, because I plan on cutting it to size myself. Last year I bought it cut and split. This year, if the guy ever brings it to me, I'll get it delivered to my house whole. I'll have to cut it down to size and I plan on cutting it firebox length and not splitting it unless it's too wide.
I became a Heatmor dealer in November and just finished my Heatmor installation yesterday. I live in Newton, Iowa, and have the central part of Iowa as my dealership area. I too have taken pictures and videos and plan to post the information. I have a Heatmor model 400 DCSS, which heats up to 10,000 square feet. MY house is 3200 square feet, and my garage is 28 X 60 with 12 foot walls which equals 20,160 cubic feet. The best part is I have 3 tree cutting contractors bringing me free wood!
how many cords of wood per winter do you burn? these units are notoriously in-efficient to operate. I've heard people going thru upto 8 cords of wood in a season. Aside from that, how much does a unit like this cost to buy and install ? I'm guessing around $7000 or more...... how long until your paid back ?
Right now I'm going through 1-2 face cords a week depending on the ambient temperature. I have my house thermostat set at 69 F. I bought the stove from a private owner for $4500 (a really good deal for a new stove). The underground pipes cost $625, $200 to have them buried, and $200 for the concrete slab. Total investment: $5525. My expected payback time is about 5 years. If you have access to wood that you can cut, you will save a ton on heating. The only price is your labor.
If you bought a stove from a dealer, it will cost you more (retail is $7300 for mine). I would recommend an outdoor gasification stove. They use a little more than half the wood that a conventional stove uses. The up front cost will be higher, but the stove will save you a bundle in heating over propane or electric, even if you bought your wood from someone.
This year, I'm buying my wood be the truckload. Depending on the temperature outside, my cost is between $100-200 a month. I was paying around $400-500 a month for propane. Still significant savings.
I'm considering burning anthracite coal in one of these units, because where i live there are ordinances against these units because they smoke alot with burning green wood. I burn about 150 gallons of heating oil per month in the winter, so i'm going to say $400/mo. i would only lite the outdoor unit in winter, so my yearly savings would be around $1600 or so. minus the cost of coal $170/ton , I would bet it would burn a ton per month, so $680 would be fuel bill, only save about $1000/yr hmmm.
He said his thermostat is set at 69 F. That is not very warm. i have a friend who has an indoor woodburner. The room where the stove is, was over 90 F last time I called him. There's pros and cons, but for the large investment of an outdoor woodburner, I would expect st least 78 F in the house. If you don't like it that hot, then outdoor woodburners are fine. I get cold easy and like it to be upwards of about 80 F. That's just me.
I think the best way to heat is COAL. its got way more btu's per pound than anything else and it burns longer, and its cleaner, there is no smoke at all when coal is burning. Coal only has 1 bad rap about it and that its dirty. An efficiently designed outdoor coal furnace would keep all the dirt outside and the amount of tending would be alot less too. Still thinking this over... Maybe if heating oil wasn't $2.25/gallon it would be an easier decision.
Well the HEATMOR 200CSS is designed to burn anthracite coal. You'll just need to buy the shaker grates and modify the draft vents, but it'll do the job.
just found out my township has an ordinace that states it has to be 250ft from the nearest neighbors house and 150ft from all property lines and the chimney has to be 2ft higher than my house roof. so that pretty much rules out me ever being able to get an outdoor furnace. I should just move somewhere else.
That stinks! Gotta love how some government official can tell you what you can and can't do on your own property. The only thing I was told was that my stove had to be at least 33 ft. from the house. That was from my insurance agent. Haven't had any complaints yet from my neighbors other than them wishing they had their own outdoor stove.
Check with your dealer. HEATMOR has a 'do it yourself' manual you can request if you want to install it yourself. I'm sure other outdoor boiler companies offer them as well.
i want to do this, but dont want to heat water, because of the cost of the pipe and the pressure/pipefitting issues. i want to do it myself, and i want it to be forced air, tied into the ducts in my trailer house. u know where i can find plans/info on this?
where do u live that heating with propane could cost u 600$ a month. I live in northern canada where -30c is our winter average and our highest bill on natural gas is a 100$ per month. the house i live in is 25 yrs old and no new windows or anything else like that.
dexterquincy1 1 month ago
@dexterquincy1 Natural gas is way cheaper than propane, and if you live in northern Canada, you're probably close to the source of gas, thus rendering it cheaper. Right now propane is $2.07/gallon where I live, and we go through it quite a bit.
thesoulsekr 1 month ago
@dexterquincy1 Wow, Must be nice. Just got a $250 bill yesterday :( Northwestern Ontario here.
mikemagee77 1 month ago
how much wood do you use per winter
firewoodguy2009 1 month ago
Dude fire it up, lets see what your doin to your neighbors.
NardeBanks 2 months ago
@NardeBanks Don't have it anymore. I moved next door to that house, and the smoke rarely bothers me. I'm usually upwind from the stove, and it burns almost smokeless most of the time.
thesoulsekr 2 months ago
That is a dirty burn, look at that wood just smoldering. Not efficient at all, please if you are going to burn wood get off your butt and split it to a proper size and allow it to season till it is dry enough to burn (less than 20% moisture). That thing is a creasote machine!
cudabeenios1 3 months ago
@cudabeenios1 That 'thing' burned almost smokeless last year. Thanx for the input though.
thesoulsekr 3 months ago
@thesoulsekr I'll also add that the furnace was functioning as it should. When the draft fan is off, which it was in this video, the wood isn't supposed to burn. Only when the fan kicks on is when the wood is burning, and efficiently at that. I didn't use much split wood because split wood has more surface area and the fire would burn too hot creating excess gray smoke.
thesoulsekr 3 months ago
lets see you fire up the stove
firewoodguy2009 6 months ago
Very nice..
WarcraftHermit 6 months ago
just bought a house with one these..no idea what to do..what valves have to be open or closed.. about the valves on the back of the unit..and in the basement?
treasuredtails 8 months ago
@treasuredtails I'll give you a little checklist. 1. Check to see if there is water in your stove. There should be some type of indicator on the water jacket. 2. Locate and check to see if the pump is plugged in. If it isn't, don't worry. It doesn't need to be this time of year. 3. Locate the valves and check to see if they're open or closed (lefty loosey righty tighty). Chances are the previous owner drained all the water out of the stove to avoid freezing.
thesoulsekr 8 months ago
@thesoulsekr
they were buying it land contract..lived here few yrs stopped paying got evicted, told owner they drained everything.. when i got this just this month....had to replace all the plumbing in basement for the most part...
no idea on the stove... it is Heatmore...was put in here in 2001
treasuredtails 8 months ago
@treasuredtails If it is a HEATMOR, open the front door on the stove and there should be a plaque on the inside indicating the model #. My guess is that it is a 200css like mine. You can go to heatmor.com and either look for a dealer or contact them directly and ask them to send you an operations manual. That should get you going. If you have a basement, there is a good chance that the fill spigot (where you fill it up) is down there on the return line.
thesoulsekr 8 months ago
@treasuredtails My best piece of advice is to find out what brand of stove it is and contact the nearest dealer. They should get you up and running. If it's a home-made stove, go through my checklist. It isn't much, but it should get you familiar with your stove.
thesoulsekr 8 months ago
Why did you put it so far from the house? Isn't there substantial loss there in that long length piping.
Landotter1 8 months ago
@Landotter1 Unfortunately there is. I went through a lot of wood last winter, even during warmer temps. The pipe I bought is poorly insulated junk. I didn't want to put the stove where it was. I did because my brother in-law wanted to tie into it to heat his trailer and never has. I should've put it about 35 ft. from the house like I wanted to.
thesoulsekr 8 months ago
@thesoulsekr That sucks... Well, guess you know what you will be doing this summer :-D Double sucks!!! Yeah, at 35 feet or less, the blue or pink foam board probably wouldn't be that expensive and you could just cut it into rectangle pieces and multi layer it box shape and all. That would solve a lot of problems.... Just me thinking out loud. With respect!!!
Landotter1 8 months ago
@Landotter1 I'm most likely gonna sell it and buy an indoor pellet stove. I drive truck and am away from home for a week at a time and my wife cannot lift 100 lb logs in the stove. 40 lb bags of pellets would be easier on her and loading a hopper twice a week would also be less burdensome.
thesoulsekr 8 months ago
@thesoulsekr Roger-that Roger... I have also looked into the pellet stuff and they even sell pellet making machines.... How cool is THAT? Saw one where they used last year's leaves and lawn clippings.... Man, this stuff is interesting! :-D
Landotter1 8 months ago
Electricity is dirt cheap in Seattle. I heat my house during the coldest winter for $50 a month. It's because we have all the hydro electric dams for plentiful cheap and most importantly clean energy.
SolarBurrito 8 months ago
@SolarBurrito Good deal!!
thesoulsekr 8 months ago
Electricity is dirt cheap in Seattle. I heat my house during the coldest winter for $50 a month.
SolarBurrito 8 months ago
IF you burn good clean DRY wood, its OK, but in Pennsylvania, we have these OWB idiots. They will put anything from garbage to tires, even wet , unsplit wood. THOSE folks give ALL OWB a very bad name. Some communities have fought them for good reason. IF you want REAL efficient wood heat, go Masonry Heater. The whole of the unit is inside, and need burn it only twice daily in the coldest conditions,10-12 hours apart, for only 2-3 hours. Maintanence is only once a year chimney inspection/clean.
novokarpati 9 months ago
@novokarpati Are those gasifiers?
thesoulsekr 9 months ago
I would love to have one of those!
pennyf9 1 year ago
Wood really is a great way to heat a house. I grew up in a house with a wood/pellet stove that kept the house warm for about 40-50 bucks a month (at the very most). When we used dry pellets we never saw smoke make it past the collector and up the stack. Now i'm paying about $100 in electricity to heat my apartment.
It's also a lot more environmentally friendly considering that many mills are converting to process beetle killed trees into pellets and dimensional lumber.
x64ghost 1 year ago
Amen! Couldn't have said it any better.
tulenut 1 year ago
GoReps is good about bitching on other's videos but removes comments he doesn't like from his.
tulenut 1 year ago
@tulenut I looked at one of his vids. I agree that his neighbor should somehow modify how he burns his wood in his OWB, unless it's just an isolated incident. My stove usually smokes when the draft fan shuts off (only lasts about 5-10 min.) and just after loading it, but it stops once the wood gets burning, usually after 15-30 min. Othen than that, it's virtually smokeless, which isn't bad for a non-gasification stove.
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
@tulenut I'll add this comment to the liberals out there: The second they want to PAY to heat my house, then they can dictate to me HOW I heat my house. But as long as I'm footin' the bill, I'm gonna heat with wood!
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
@thesoulsekr Amen there. I am just sick and tired of people getting on a soapbox and telling us how we are killing them because we burn wood. Those same people are more than willing to use electricity generated in someone else's backyard via coal,trash,etc. I bought a gasifier this year and am tickled to death with it. I was using an airtight stove for the last 15 years, so not a newbie to burnin wood, just to the outdoor stove.
tulenut 1 year ago
@thesoulsekr And the second you want to PAY for my wife's asthma medications, and our health insurance, then you can tell me what kind of air to breathe. But as long as I'm footin' the bill, then I'm gonna keep bitchin! And as for "liberals", since when are "conservatives" immune from lung disease???
GoReps 9 months ago
@GoReps I've been burning for 2 years with close neighbors, and I don't hear them complaining. Even the neighbor kid has asthma. People have been burning wood for thousands of years. What makes you think you're gonna be able to change that? I saw your vid, and I AGREE that your neighbor needs to modify the way he burns (probably get a gasifier). It ain't right to be smoking out the neighbors. My question to you is: How do you heat YOUR home in the winter?
thesoulsekr 9 months ago
@GoReps If you use propane or natural gas, then you're emitting carbon dioxide from a NON-RENEWABLE resource. If you're using electricity you must be rich, cuz I sure don't have the money to pay a $600/month light bill. If the source of electricity is not from a nuclear plant, then you are still emitting more carbon dioxide. As long as OWB's are used RESPONSIBLY, it is cheaper and more efficient than any other method.
thesoulsekr 9 months ago
hahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahahaha!
GoReps 5 months ago
@GoReps Well, this should make you happy. I sold the house and no longer have an OWB. I'm either gonna get a pellet stove, make a few solar air heaters, use propane, or a combination of the 3.
thesoulsekr 5 months ago
Your OWB doesn't bother us because we don't live next door to it. However, you have neighbors who still do. Go solar. Don't believe the lies by the big oil companies- they want to protect their oil investments. A Texas solar company found their panels are more efficient in cold climates because snow reflectivity creates more power than dirt or grass does. Good job. Go solar!
GoReps 5 months ago
@GoReps Your neighbor's OWB is probably a natural draft. Mine was forced-air draft, which burns more efficiently. People want just too darn much money for wood ($50+/face cord). I'm planning on making 3 solar air heaters for my new home. Shouldn't cost too much, and will save money on gas.
thesoulsekr 5 months ago
When you get it up and running, be sure to post the video!
GoReps 5 months ago
Bitch awaythesoulsekr, Let's hear an intelligent comment.
GoReps 9 months ago
@GoReps Look at my other vid. I'm not the enemy.
thesoulsekr 9 months ago
we think much the same. We call wood burning..." zero impact "...as it is largely 'carbon neutral'...! You should really think about fine tuning your OWB, and video it, to launch on youtube. I am SURE..others..(check out 'Expert Village' on youtube..), could benefit from your experience. well, just saying...! Thanks, again, for a view of my interests..!
novokarpati 1 year ago
@novokarpati Zero impact. Right. If there was zero impact, why all the controversy?
GoReps 9 months ago
you sound like you learned a good lesson, and you took responsibility for 'cleaning up' you act. I am a member of the Masonry Heater Association, and our 'technical' committee is hoping to keep the EPA from forcing AND en-forcing stringent (and mostly ridiculous.) regs on the average citizen. SO, all of us , who burn wood ..NEED..to be diligent and careful what, and how we burn. Some places in Pa, are outlawing the burning of wood fired appliances..! NOT GOOD..! I'd rather wood than coal.!
novokarpati 1 year ago
@novokarpati Well I, like many others, would like to see the EPA shut down! Mainly because that agency has powers that are not enumerated in the US Constitution. Burning wood is actually good for the environment, because wood emits CO2 whether it is burned, or rotting in the woods, and it promotes healthy forests as long as it's not abused by overzealous folk.
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
@thesoulsekr Burning wood is good for the environment??? You need to read something other than the propaganda put out by the wood boiler companies. Burning is bad period. Doesn't matter what you burn, wood, coal, cigs, gas or whatever, the result is toxic emissions that can cause cancer. I know people like you want the EPA shut down, and probably hate teachers too, but if you took just a couple minutes to learn the FACTS, you might have a more informed opinion.
GoReps 9 months ago
yes, well, you must be doing something right, in York Co, PA there is a major problem with the un-taught way most are burning their OWB, and 'air tight' stoves. In one small municipality, that lies in a secluded valley between two ridges, 3 homeowners are responsible for ALL the pollution caused by their unwise and un-neighborly burning practices. Now, what kind of procedures..IE..dry wood , proper settings, etc, etc do you use to get yours to operate in relative 'smokeless' fashion..? Thanks,
novokarpati 1 year ago
@novokarpati Clean out the ashes regularly (once a week), burn the logs unsplit if you can, don't overload the stove (most important), and don't burn anything other than logs. Last year I burned anything that would fit into the firebox, from OSB, particle board, plywood, 2x4's, 2x6's, old rotten fence panels, pallots. Anything that would burn (except garbage). That thing smoked like crazy, and I believe the neighbors weren't please, especially if they're downwind from the furnace.
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
@novokarpati I just posted a new vid today. There's my proof. Enjoy!
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
let's see the smoke created, is this a new cleaner OWB..??....oh, look at 2:03, what's that crude on the door, hmm, unburnt condensed volities, 'Bigger wood burns slower than smaller....WRONG..., you SHOULD be burning it at least 800+ F for a minimally efficient fire.
novokarpati 1 year ago
let's see the smoke created, is this a new cleaner OWB..??
novokarpati 1 year ago
@novokarpati It's not a gasification stove if that's what you're asking. When the draft fan shuts off, it kills the air to the fire and the fire just smolders until the aquastat turns the fan back on. Then the fire lights back up. This year my stove has been burning efficiently. I rarely see smoke coming out of the stack when the fire is lit, mainly I see just convection currents coming out.
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
how mch did this cost?
in the future i plan on having a log home built. plans are arround 5,500 sq feet.
i wanted to try to not have really any form of propane or oil to heat. so i considered thease. weather its through a furnace or a radiant floor heat. of course there will be fireplaces in the house as heat also. And a small wind turbine with a few solar pannels to create my eletricity.
mifan93 1 year ago
@mifan93 This particular stove retails for around $7500. That's not counting installation, the cost of the water lines, pump, and heat exchangers. So you're looking at close to $10000.
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
Sorry if I missed it but what state do you live in? I live in PA. Around march or april I'm installing solar panels, and my roof is big enough to power the whole house. I'm debating between an outdoor furnace for heat like yours or an electric heat pump, running off the solar power, supplemented by fireplace insert.
chrisd234 1 year ago
@chrisd234 I live in Michigan. I'd like to do that too, but I cannot afford it at this time. I would also like to integrate wind generators and go completely off the grid. It's usually windy where I live.
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
@thesoulsekr Thanks! I recently bought a house in rural PA and the gas company wanted to charge me based on previous owners usage. They wanted $570 a month for gas. So I bought a fireplace insert (a big one), and have been doing well with that and two space heaters. Looking at using the first home buyers credit for the solar, or something like this
chrisd234 1 year ago
You know what u guys aviston doesn't have a wood burner or whatever and if we do it neve burns any wood so get over your selves shut he hell up and stop hating on aviston
mikaelar578 1 year ago
@skyypilot01 They do have cleaner burning gasification stoves that are EPA I & II compliant. Are they gonna outlaw them as well? It's a crying shame when the gov't says we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and now they outlaw something that would do just that. They are HYPOCRITES to the core!
thesoulsekr 1 year ago 7
how many cords of wood you burn in the winter
firewoodguy2009 1 year ago
@firewoodguy2009 Not sure. Probably 8-10. Hopefully I'll burn less this year, because I plan on cutting it to size myself. Last year I bought it cut and split. This year, if the guy ever brings it to me, I'll get it delivered to my house whole. I'll have to cut it down to size and I plan on cutting it firebox length and not splitting it unless it's too wide.
thesoulsekr 1 year ago
that is one heck of a chemtrail @ :02
cdimmm 1 year ago
I became a Heatmor dealer in November and just finished my Heatmor installation yesterday. I live in Newton, Iowa, and have the central part of Iowa as my dealership area. I too have taken pictures and videos and plan to post the information. I have a Heatmor model 400 DCSS, which heats up to 10,000 square feet. MY house is 3200 square feet, and my garage is 28 X 60 with 12 foot walls which equals 20,160 cubic feet. The best part is I have 3 tree cutting contractors bringing me free wood!
PittsAviator 2 years ago
how many cords of wood per winter do you burn? these units are notoriously in-efficient to operate. I've heard people going thru upto 8 cords of wood in a season. Aside from that, how much does a unit like this cost to buy and install ? I'm guessing around $7000 or more...... how long until your paid back ?
tom69z28 2 years ago
Right now I'm going through 1-2 face cords a week depending on the ambient temperature. I have my house thermostat set at 69 F. I bought the stove from a private owner for $4500 (a really good deal for a new stove). The underground pipes cost $625, $200 to have them buried, and $200 for the concrete slab. Total investment: $5525. My expected payback time is about 5 years. If you have access to wood that you can cut, you will save a ton on heating. The only price is your labor.
thesoulsekr 2 years ago
If you bought a stove from a dealer, it will cost you more (retail is $7300 for mine). I would recommend an outdoor gasification stove. They use a little more than half the wood that a conventional stove uses. The up front cost will be higher, but the stove will save you a bundle in heating over propane or electric, even if you bought your wood from someone.
thesoulsekr 2 years ago
This year, I'm buying my wood be the truckload. Depending on the temperature outside, my cost is between $100-200 a month. I was paying around $400-500 a month for propane. Still significant savings.
thesoulsekr 2 years ago
I'm considering burning anthracite coal in one of these units, because where i live there are ordinances against these units because they smoke alot with burning green wood. I burn about 150 gallons of heating oil per month in the winter, so i'm going to say $400/mo. i would only lite the outdoor unit in winter, so my yearly savings would be around $1600 or so. minus the cost of coal $170/ton , I would bet it would burn a ton per month, so $680 would be fuel bill, only save about $1000/yr hmmm.
tom69z28 2 years ago
A gasification boiler is EPA certified. They might approve that type of stove. Central Boiler makes a good model. Probably pricey, but a good buy.
thesoulsekr 2 years ago
2 face cords a week = about 2 full cords per month. wow. thats like 8 cords per 4 month winter.
tom69z28 2 years ago
He said his thermostat is set at 69 F. That is not very warm. i have a friend who has an indoor woodburner. The room where the stove is, was over 90 F last time I called him. There's pros and cons, but for the large investment of an outdoor woodburner, I would expect st least 78 F in the house. If you don't like it that hot, then outdoor woodburners are fine. I get cold easy and like it to be upwards of about 80 F. That's just me.
nossful 2 years ago
I think the best way to heat is COAL. its got way more btu's per pound than anything else and it burns longer, and its cleaner, there is no smoke at all when coal is burning. Coal only has 1 bad rap about it and that its dirty. An efficiently designed outdoor coal furnace would keep all the dirt outside and the amount of tending would be alot less too. Still thinking this over... Maybe if heating oil wasn't $2.25/gallon it would be an easier decision.
tom69z28 2 years ago
Well the HEATMOR 200CSS is designed to burn anthracite coal. You'll just need to buy the shaker grates and modify the draft vents, but it'll do the job.
thesoulsekr 2 years ago
just found out my township has an ordinace that states it has to be 250ft from the nearest neighbors house and 150ft from all property lines and the chimney has to be 2ft higher than my house roof. so that pretty much rules out me ever being able to get an outdoor furnace. I should just move somewhere else.
tom69z28 2 years ago
That stinks! Gotta love how some government official can tell you what you can and can't do on your own property. The only thing I was told was that my stove had to be at least 33 ft. from the house. That was from my insurance agent. Haven't had any complaints yet from my neighbors other than them wishing they had their own outdoor stove.
thesoulsekr 2 years ago
Check with your dealer. HEATMOR has a 'do it yourself' manual you can request if you want to install it yourself. I'm sure other outdoor boiler companies offer them as well.
thesoulsekr 2 years ago
i want to do this, but dont want to heat water, because of the cost of the pipe and the pressure/pipefitting issues. i want to do it myself, and i want it to be forced air, tied into the ducts in my trailer house. u know where i can find plans/info on this?
johnnytrash13 2 years ago