They were indeed the Class 37 English Electric locomotives inherited by WC when they bought the freight operators of GB. Sadly, WC (English Welsh & Scottish Railways) are no morein the UK having been sold to DB of Germany. There are still some Class 37`s still in use but mainly they have been displaced by General Motors Class 66`s and General Electric Class 70`s.
Awesome exhaust flash at 0.43. These engines smoke like this because the V12 engines were designed for marine use, and supposed to never be switched-off, so the tolerances are big on the piston rings to allow for expansion when very hot after constant running. Firing them up from cold in the English damp climate is not what was planned by the designers, in summer of after they've been running for 8-10hrs, the white clag disapears, you only get black smoke on full load.
When 2 locos double head like that does there only need to be 1 driver in one of them, and if so i take it when the driver accelerates to say 50 mph the other one does the same ao that they are always going at the same speed?
these big V12 have a lovley sound to them very off beat but i love it also fan of gardner engines- another great british product and also radials- any engine apart from the ying yangs of GM. check out alcos for clagg too and GE's
@Meuw858 I belive you are confusing 37668 with 37688 (a common mistake), 668 has long been out of service and is now used as a parts donor for the WCRC 37 fleet, However, 37688 is in everyday service with DRS and is named Kingmoor TMD.
There is more musical entertainment in one minute of this video than in the last year of all"popular"radio stations combined here in the states! Keep up the good work, chaps!
This is one of the reasons why in BR days, they very rarely shut the engines down with the exception for maintenance/repairs. They're very stubborn to start up again in the cold! Looks spectacular, mind you!
@Rickstew86 What does BR days mean? Is it when all locos in the uk were british rail livery? Rather than different companies like freightliner, db schenkar. Please explain.
This is pure automotive porn. Beautiful sound and picture. I'm an american V8 London boy, but the type 37 sound beats all but a 426 hemi. If anyone reading this understands what I'm talking about - I guess I'm not the only sound geek on earth.
Nice shooting ! Why is the startup sequence like that with firing and rev. up the engine for a pause, and then all over again ? Like an old start cold start :-)
in my view these old english electric locomotives have far more character than anything american!and theres no wonder the american stuff makes sound like lawn mowers because their often twice the fucking size!!,the 37 for its size is a nice loco that makes a nice sound!
@farmerkristian Youve obviously not watched and heard "The black fog of blossburg 2009" then. 20'000 HP on the front, another 20'000 HP in the middle and 4000 HP on the back. Thats what you call impressive!
i saw one of these in the ews livery exactly like this one passing my old primary school ages ago it was hauling the ews hha hoppers!!! proper beast!!!
how dare formidable38 come out with such rubbish not being too serious by the way sound like lawnmowers id be cutting my grass every day if they did even in winter please change your name to i want to live in the states or go and buy 426 to cut your grass with it might not be in the scrapyard just yet but is very close
@theberengersniper Alot of it is automated. The driver has to turn the electrics on, then start the priming which is the whine you hear before the engine starts, then press the start button and keep it down until the engine fires properly. So he is involved, just not hand cranking it or anything.
thts because we got a yank twat incharge of our railways now and i want to now why???and hes ruined our railway heratige.....i mean listen to tht lovely sound compared to the yank crap
@kratos32godofwar totally agree. didn't realise it was a yank in charge but it wud certainly explain alot. they have no bloody soul these idiots. as you say, ruined. such a gd loco with a fantastic sound. these modern DMU voyagers are just shit. shame!
@kratos32godofwar I aint so sure about that now. I took off my UK loco only "blinkers" along time ago. Theres some loco's in the states that make these sound like fucking lawn mowers in comparison- big time! There ARE EMD's that sound soooooo much better than these old clunckers!
@formidable38 Some EMD's have quite a good rasp especially the export G12 with a GM 12-567 engine in... Search for G12 7707 Sweden, I can't stop listening to it!
how would u like them to start up from cold in november they were built in the 60s 1 of the best clips on here by the way and the drivers seemed to be happy aswell
They also built the lighting which successfully intercepted a U2 flying over the english coast on exersice.
The sad thing was, the lightning was 800ft above the U2, and armed to the teeth.. that poor U2 SOB wouldn't have stood a chance! The days when Great Britain really lived up to it's name huh!
Re: the green crowd; STFU, and crawl back to your hole!
how come most trains on fireup do the fire thing out the exhaust, i never thought id see that unless it was gasoline, but never really figured it would with diesel, anyone know the answer?
Its hot exhaust gas blowing past the exhaust valve seats, (poor seal) this then ignites unburnt atomised diesel fuel vapour in the exhaust stacks and turbo's. 37's were notorious for it.
i figure it was from unburned fuel vapor, but i didnt realize it would be form poor valve seating, i kinda thought it was from a decompression stage for starting, either way its neat to see the fire form the beast lol..
H-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-H (roughly)... H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H S
Air:
H2O, N, CO2, O2, plus a few others.
The actual mixture of air is 78.084% Nitrogen, 20.946% Oxygen, 0.934% Argon, 0.033%
When burnt, depending on the conditions create:
C02, N02, SO2, CO, H20. So the steam comes from the water that is created (it cannot be stopped, nor can Carbon). Where do you suggest these atoms go? Do they disappear into nothing?
Water vapour and carbon dioxide are invisible. Diesel engines work by compressing the air in the cylinder, which heats it enough to burn the injected fuel. However, when a large engine block like this is cold, that big lump of cold metal prevents the air heating enough so the fuel doesn't burn. This unburnt fuel is ejected through the exhaust, as in the video.. If you believe otherwise, please explain why your gas oven doesn't emit billowing clouds of steam when it burns methane (CH4) in air.
The white smoke is because of overfueling on cold start. The flash is just unburnt fuel igniting in turbine of the turbo. Once they warm up the clag will go. If they have been standing a while there could be a bit of engine oil from turbo bearings in the exhaust but it soon burns off.
no, these big diesels are like that when cold starting, lots of clag and noise. The reving and chuffing is as the cylinders take up and start to fire.
No harm to the ozone layer and a very low carbon footprint, actually... may not look it but even a pair of tractors is majorly environmentally sound globally!!! EE12CSVT thrash with a clean(ish) conscience... ;-)
@1position69 The steam heat boilers were removed over 20 years ago when the locomotives were converted to class 37/4 and 37/6. The white/pale grey substance you see coming out of these locomotives is absolutely not steam.
@MatthewDavidParr No they're not. You don't run a water vapour engine, you run a steam engine. It's an invisible elasticated gas, the whole design of the superheater in later steam loco designs was to elasticate it more so you got more energy from less steam making them more efficient.
@trainfanatic1100
They were indeed the Class 37 English Electric locomotives inherited by WC when they bought the freight operators of GB. Sadly, WC (English Welsh & Scottish Railways) are no morein the UK having been sold to DB of Germany. There are still some Class 37`s still in use but mainly they have been displaced by General Motors Class 66`s and General Electric Class 70`s.
jbbumpkin 1 day ago in playlist Favorite videos
these look like wisconsin central units in the uk. does wc operate up there?
trainfanatic1100 1 month ago
Wonderful!
airthreypark 2 months ago
Awesome exhaust flash at 0.43. These engines smoke like this because the V12 engines were designed for marine use, and supposed to never be switched-off, so the tolerances are big on the piston rings to allow for expansion when very hot after constant running. Firing them up from cold in the English damp climate is not what was planned by the designers, in summer of after they've been running for 8-10hrs, the white clag disapears, you only get black smoke on full load.
SpenAgain 4 months ago
1 people Greenpeace
1935tda2 6 months ago
love it.
crichton2121 7 months ago
Lovely clouds o shite. Mmmmmmmm can smell it from here, fantastic 37's.
RallyRomper 7 months ago
whine snort snort splutter ker-prot : )
SteffanLlwyd 8 months ago
was für eine Umweltsau und bei uns mecker`n se rum wegen der scheiß Unweltzone.
Grüße aus Berlin
Matti12051 8 months ago
stick that in your badger pipe and smoke it greenpeace
MrJezza31 10 months ago 2
gotta love the 37's
MK1EMU 1 year ago
Awful.
These engines surely must lack adequate maintenance.
I cannot believe they were designed to work this way.
Should be condemned.
Florianska6
florianska6 1 year ago
@florianska6 They were condemned. Many years ago. They served better than any communist shite, that is for sure.
PrentonPimp 11 months ago
@florianska6 you little arse 37s are brilliant
MrJezza31 10 months ago
@florianska6 Go fuck yourself at your little green peace meeting.nuff said!
thelocoshed 2 months ago
When 2 locos double head like that does there only need to be 1 driver in one of them, and if so i take it when the driver accelerates to say 50 mph the other one does the same ao that they are always going at the same speed?
infernodood3 1 year ago
these big V12 have a lovley sound to them very off beat but i love it also fan of gardner engines- another great british product and also radials- any engine apart from the ying yangs of GM. check out alcos for clagg too and GE's
burghill1979 1 year ago
Tractors. Clag. Flames! Yes!
MAPFWH 1 year ago
@Meuw858 I belive you are confusing 37668 with 37688 (a common mistake), 668 has long been out of service and is now used as a parts donor for the WCRC 37 fleet, However, 37688 is in everyday service with DRS and is named Kingmoor TMD.
magicmonkey08 1 year ago
668 seemed to turning over for ages before it fires,you can hear the starters go in just after 426 fires
31144 1 year ago
There is more musical entertainment in one minute of this video than in the last year of all"popular"radio stations combined here in the states! Keep up the good work, chaps!
hardklc 1 year ago
This is one of the reasons why in BR days, they very rarely shut the engines down with the exception for maintenance/repairs. They're very stubborn to start up again in the cold! Looks spectacular, mind you!
Rickstew86 1 year ago
@Rickstew86 What does BR days mean? Is it when all locos in the uk were british rail livery? Rather than different companies like freightliner, db schenkar. Please explain.
infernodood3 1 year ago
@infernodood3 It typically means in the days from when the locos were first built (in this case) up until privatisation in 1996.
Rickstew86 1 year ago
This is pure automotive porn. Beautiful sound and picture. I'm an american V8 London boy, but the type 37 sound beats all but a 426 hemi. If anyone reading this understands what I'm talking about - I guess I'm not the only sound geek on earth.
varflane 1 year ago 8
Nice shooting ! Why is the startup sequence like that with firing and rev. up the engine for a pause, and then all over again ? Like an old start cold start :-)
fredriktaaje 1 year ago
in my view these old english electric locomotives have far more character than anything american!and theres no wonder the american stuff makes sound like lawn mowers because their often twice the fucking size!!,the 37 for its size is a nice loco that makes a nice sound!
farmerkristian 1 year ago
@farmerkristian Youve obviously not watched and heard "The black fog of blossburg 2009" then. 20'000 HP on the front, another 20'000 HP in the middle and 4000 HP on the back. Thats what you call impressive!
formidable38 1 year ago
thats just pornography xD
nice video and favved
bwarrrrk 1 year ago
One of the Best Ever moments on YouTube!
Keith Richards & Lemmy of Motorhead would approve !
-Diesel locomotives as musical instruments -in concert.
Ignore the whingers, this is something very special !
Getting stoned on clag !
guthywoodry 1 year ago
i saw one of these in the ews livery exactly like this one passing my old primary school ages ago it was hauling the ews hha hoppers!!! proper beast!!!
THEbenmortimer 1 year ago
00:40 hellfire faved and liked
virginhst539 1 year ago
Boy that rear 37 took a long time to start!
CreRay 1 year ago
absaloutely brilliand vidio espeitioly when the clag exploded!
MrJezza31 1 year ago
how dare formidable38 come out with such rubbish not being too serious by the way sound like lawnmowers id be cutting my grass every day if they did even in winter please change your name to i want to live in the states or go and buy 426 to cut your grass with it might not be in the scrapyard just yet but is very close
40022laconia 1 year ago
37426 Is One Of 52 Loco's That DB Schenker Has Put Up For Sale. Its Outside A Shed At Crewe Just Of Gresty Road
crichton2121 1 year ago
Is this whole process automated, or is the driver having to do a lot of work to get them going?
theberengersniper 1 year ago
@theberengersniper Alot of it is automated. The driver has to turn the electrics on, then start the priming which is the whine you hear before the engine starts, then press the start button and keep it down until the engine fires properly. So he is involved, just not hand cranking it or anything.
tombaker1222 1 year ago
NICE in goes the good air out goes the bad air. Very good tho and the sound is great
joerobbo0 1 year ago
beautiful noise
jonaspollard 1 year ago
@huettmr no the last was taken out ages ago
MrJezza31 1 year ago
what a great vid start you barstard start
MrJezza31 1 year ago
Lickey incline monsters!
ophiocephalus 1 year ago
thts because we got a yank twat incharge of our railways now and i want to now why???and hes ruined our railway heratige.....i mean listen to tht lovely sound compared to the yank crap
kratos32godofwar 1 year ago
@kratos32godofwar totally agree. didn't realise it was a yank in charge but it wud certainly explain alot. they have no bloody soul these idiots. as you say, ruined. such a gd loco with a fantastic sound. these modern DMU voyagers are just shit. shame!
ghawk2005 1 year ago
@kratos32godofwar I aint so sure about that now. I took off my UK loco only "blinkers" along time ago. Theres some loco's in the states that make these sound like fucking lawn mowers in comparison- big time! There ARE EMD's that sound soooooo much better than these old clunckers!
formidable38 1 year ago
@formidable38 no chance mate they sound the buizz
kratos32godofwar 1 year ago
@formidable38 Some EMD's have quite a good rasp especially the export G12 with a GM 12-567 engine in... Search for G12 7707 Sweden, I can't stop listening to it!
Meuw858 1 year ago
@Meuw858 Exactly. Check out "Southern pacific at Burbank jct" The epitome of sound and power.
formidable38 1 year ago
awesome!!!! the days of the old BR diesel locos has gone... now we use imported stuff with no character or history
lonelywolf1966 2 years ago
how would u like them to start up from cold in november they were built in the 60s 1 of the best clips on here by the way and the drivers seemed to be happy aswell
40022laconia 2 years ago
I love the noise of these... oh and the class 55.
EE Rule.
They also built the lighting which successfully intercepted a U2 flying over the english coast on exersice.
The sad thing was, the lightning was 800ft above the U2, and armed to the teeth.. that poor U2 SOB wouldn't have stood a chance! The days when Great Britain really lived up to it's name huh!
Re: the green crowd; STFU, and crawl back to your hole!
matthewt1501 2 years ago
GM have nothing on English Electric!!!! Long live the 37s, great vid btw 5*
AKirkland07 2 years ago
and to think the Clean Air Act killed steam!!!
penybontshed 2 years ago
Fired up literally! Seems the fuel $ oil mix was to rich!
globalcentralline 2 years ago
Awesome vid. EE at its best..
TheH78 2 years ago
how come most trains on fireup do the fire thing out the exhaust, i never thought id see that unless it was gasoline, but never really figured it would with diesel, anyone know the answer?
Wallabydam 2 years ago
Its hot exhaust gas blowing past the exhaust valve seats, (poor seal) this then ignites unburnt atomised diesel fuel vapour in the exhaust stacks and turbo's. 37's were notorious for it.
formidable38 2 years ago
i figure it was from unburned fuel vapor, but i didnt realize it would be form poor valve seating, i kinda thought it was from a decompression stage for starting, either way its neat to see the fire form the beast lol..
Wallabydam 2 years ago
english electric best locos ever made in england gm shit
40022laconia 2 years ago 2
superb thanks for posting global warming and its been freezing for weeks due to these locos from years ago yeah ok gm shit
40022laconia 2 years ago
CO2 reduction ? hahaha
flieger315 2 years ago
mtu or GM them, they might sound better then
iib8903 2 years ago
At 0:34, the environment is just like "Oh shit, please, not another one" :D
MatthewDavidParr 2 years ago 21
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dancsikasrac 2 years ago
top class
berwickspotter 2 years ago
imagine the size of the starter motor
elemineseslapolla 2 years ago
Imagine this.
Fuel: S S H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H
H-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-H (roughly)... H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H S
Air:
H2O, N, CO2, O2, plus a few others.
The actual mixture of air is 78.084% Nitrogen, 20.946% Oxygen, 0.934% Argon, 0.033%
When burnt, depending on the conditions create:
C02, N02, SO2, CO, H20. So the steam comes from the water that is created (it cannot be stopped, nor can Carbon). Where do you suggest these atoms go? Do they disappear into nothing?
MatthewDavidParr 2 years ago
wow man thanks for the detailed explanation +1
elemineseslapolla 2 years ago
Water vapour and carbon dioxide are invisible. Diesel engines work by compressing the air in the cylinder, which heats it enough to burn the injected fuel. However, when a large engine block like this is cold, that big lump of cold metal prevents the air heating enough so the fuel doesn't burn. This unburnt fuel is ejected through the exhaust, as in the video.. If you believe otherwise, please explain why your gas oven doesn't emit billowing clouds of steam when it burns methane (CH4) in air.
beeble2003 2 years ago
The white smoke is because of overfueling on cold start. The flash is just unburnt fuel igniting in turbine of the turbo. Once they warm up the clag will go. If they have been standing a while there could be a bit of engine oil from turbo bearings in the exhaust but it soon burns off.
Imatt33 2 years ago 3
Long live EE class 37's!
tjshill82 2 years ago 2
Rusty But Trusty! I would buy one!
globalcentralline 2 years ago 2
MY LORDS!
Long live the mighty tractor!
TheHellBadger 2 years ago 2
these old dogs never die, they have so much more character than the modern trains.
plane15 2 years ago 17
Hellfire my beast
TheLincoln37 2 years ago 2
shame we dont see this too often nowadays with the new trains. Used to love just smelling the deisel fumes as the trains went thru the stations.
cabhappygaz 2 years ago 4
May I ask a question: What is a "clag"?
wilzchau 2 years ago
as far as i know clag is smoke produced from the engine . i will be corrected if i'm wrong :-)
p.s what caused the mini explosion in at around 43 seconds . i could hear the pop noise !
irishmanufan 2 years ago
@wilzchau The amount of smoke and exhaust they produce. Lots of it is "Good clag".
tombaker1222 1 year ago
Not one for the bosses of DB Schenker to see prior to a review of the EE type 3.
zombiesonacid 2 years ago
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them engines sound fucked, are they scrapped
iib8903 2 years ago
no, these big diesels are like that when cold starting, lots of clag and noise. The reving and chuffing is as the cylinders take up and start to fire.
steamwally 2 years ago
the poochoo train.
crownroyal111 2 years ago
Hellfire. 5* and favorite!!!!
DuffEndProductions 2 years ago
beastage!! 5*
tuptontrainspotter 2 years ago
Carry on Clagging!! TOP vid
okotokspaul 3 years ago
No harm to the ozone layer and a very low carbon footprint, actually... may not look it but even a pair of tractors is majorly environmentally sound globally!!! EE12CSVT thrash with a clean(ish) conscience... ;-)
37201xoim 3 years ago
The white smoke is unburnt fuel; carbon dioxide is only emitted if hte fuel is burnt.
beeble2003 2 years ago
Rubbish. Black smoke is soot, partially burnt fuel. White smoke is primarily steam... If you want to argue back, do some research first.
MatthewDavidParr 2 years ago
And where, exactly, would that much steam come from?
beeble2003 2 years ago
@beeble2003 Old diesel elctric units have a steam boiler for heating carriges
1position69 2 years ago
@1position69 The steam heat boilers were removed over 20 years ago when the locomotives were converted to class 37/4 and 37/6. The white/pale grey substance you see coming out of these locomotives is absolutely not steam.
beeble2003 2 years ago
@beeble2003 didnt think of that the steamy smoke stuff is full of blak soot and everything else not to nice.
1position69 2 years ago
@MatthewDavidParr Steam's actually invisible...
tombaker1222 1 year ago
@tombaker1222 Sigh... What's that stuff that comes out of your Kettle when you make a cup of tea?
MatthewDavidParr 1 year ago
@MatthewDavidParr Water vapour. Steam itself is invisible.
tombaker1222 1 year ago
@tombaker1222
Water Vapour = Steam dude, they are the same thing.
MatthewDavidParr 1 year ago
@MatthewDavidParr No they're not. You don't run a water vapour engine, you run a steam engine. It's an invisible elasticated gas, the whole design of the superheater in later steam loco designs was to elasticate it more so you got more energy from less steam making them more efficient.
tombaker1222 1 year ago
Good show! I LOVE the sound of those E.E. V12's chugging along. Nothing like it anywhere. And look at the clag!! I can smell it even now.
...and we got TWO of them, twice the fun!
Thanks for this one!
Rick
rickbell7 3 years ago
I meant start ups
MetrobusChris 3 years ago
To right this Is on of the best stratt ups on one of my fave class 37 good video
MetrobusChris 3 years ago
when was this filmed
11t1chambersm 3 years ago
this has got to be one of the best start-ups of any train in the WORLD!!!!
nice SPLIT BOX at the end.
cheers
sheep5head 3 years ago
great stuff two for the price of one.... cheers ;-)
heyrodders 3 years ago 2
best 37 claging iv ever seen.
roodashtonhall2k8 3 years ago 2
dont let greenpeace see this lol.
bollocks 2 the enviroment
JORDANRICE07 3 years ago 4
Love it! 5*
video47 3 years ago 2
my lordz some call the fire brigade! awsome video mate
HSTHoward 3 years ago
Thats a top class clag!
71cooper 3 years ago 2