Stack and Tilt Will Mckenzie: www.hicksgolf.com

[jkpenguin]

If you dont think that this is stack and tilt, compare to mike bennett (stack and tilt inventor). I think you'll see that it is.

[jkpenguin]

As a player who has taken lessons from a stack and tilt instructor (Nick Clearwater), this is definately a stack and tilt swing. I think many people have a misconception of what stack and tilt is. The stack refers to staying "Stacked"(centered) over the ball on the backswing and the "tilt" refers to turning your sholders on a tilted plane and not level with the ground. It has nothing to do with leaning towards the target.

[Inmotion70]

Agree with most here - that is not Stack and Tilt. It is also why Will hits it a bit longer than the tour average - because it's not.

[naflack]

@andypatnou

some punk kid telling me a guy plays stack and tilt with NO TILT WHATSOEVER and i dont know what im talking about...?

HEY MORON...HE DOESNT TILT OR EXTEND HIS SPINE, THATS MY POINT!

by the way one planers stay centered just fine without the tilting or flexing of their spine...

as long as i look half as foolish as you sound i think i'll be just fine...douche bag

[naflack]

if someone declares this a stack and tilt swing then they are declaring that one plane and stack and tilt are the same.

they are not the same and you cant have it both ways.

[naflack]

@andypatnou

thats crap and you know it.

there isnt even an ounce of tilt to his backswing, his spine stays completely centered. regardless of who is teaching him, the above is a one plane swing.

your argument doesnt have a leg to tilt on...lol

[andypatnou]

@naflack Crap, sad thing is you have no idea what you are talking about...the only way you can stay centerd is by tilting and extending the spine..Get a clue so your dont look foolish.

[naflack]

not stack and tilt, wheres the tilt, there isnt any...

closer to one plane swing.

[andypatnou]

@naflack Plenty of tilt, just overloads his #4PA (left shoulder) this is from when he was working with mike and andy

[phillsfan5]

this is not stack at all

[teewoods]

Its aload of rubbish

[andypatnou]

not at all ...but what you said is...just saying...

[pyeon]

It's simple and effective. I only wish I'd learned much earlier.

[soxfan2007papi]

That is not a stack and tilt swing.

[andypatnou]

Yea it is brosiv

[quasar1983]

I just tried hit today for a few balls, and experienced unprecedent success with my driver. I have to admit my irons were a little low..but I will work on that. It seems to be an interesting way to swing. I'm an 8 handicap.

[juicysteak]

It works for me and wasn't bad on the back after 100 balls at the range and 9 holes. I've never hit the irons so straight or consistent. I've always hit the irons high and long (when solid contact is made) and that didn't change with S&T. Hitting the driver was more of a challenge. To make it work I found myself choking up a tad and taking my backswing on a higher plane. I had no problem with distance. This is a great swing for me!

[WilsonStaffCPGA]

the stack and tilt swing is the professional way to recover from a reverse pivot it is not the best way to swing, it is not consistant enough to be used by the big pro's. Tiger woods, Phil, Padraig etc...

If this was the best way to swing it then these big names would be doing it to. a reverse pivot is the worst thing you can do to hit the ball!! By the was 90 95 mph warrants a regualr flex, I am 120 and 130 when i rip at it i use x flex with mid kick point and 2.7 torque!!

[WilsonStaffCPGA]

being stacked on top of the ball is what you are supposed to do but you should be stacked and balanced!!

[worldchamp2007]

What is right or wrong for the top professionals has little bearing on my game. I am at my own (very low) skill level and also have my own physiology (strengths/weaknesses, joint angles, etc.)

The S&T is not for everyone, for sure. I also agree with your comment about 'stacked and balanced'. I found that keeping myself balanced over the ball for the entire swing produced more consistent results. I was out in 110 degree weather yesterday and was sticking the irons. 190 yards, 6I - boom!

[uvrs66]

Wow! Are you by any chance into yourself a little bit? Hmmm?

[WilsonStaffCPGA]

if you are talking to me I teach golf for a living and work with some of the biggest teachers in Canada. Stack and Tilt is not the best way to go about it. Driver is to hard to control!!

[ssgolf37]

im sorry we cant change geometry for you. the method works, its based on math.

[WilsonStaffCPGA]

Wow Geometry what about bio mechanics upon what the Golf Swing is based on.

[ssgolf37]

then you dont understand how the spine changes flex

[djreggienoble]

The 'better' teachers in Canada really like this idea. I may not know what you mean by biggest, but there are 2 in canada when it comes to success with pga tour players. One built Leggatt the other works with Ames. Leggatt has looked that way for 10 years. Even HE like p&b.

[andypatnou]

Does he have a 10 finger grip?

[j3j33]

I tried the stack and tilt this afternoon on the range. The first suggestion they make is more weight on the front foot. This is very similar to the age old lesson about chipping...and value of the chipping stance seems to be of the same value in the full shot. Don't know why someone didn't think of this a long time ago.

[robbenandronaldo]

The position at the top of his backswing looks well-loaded. What a lovely swing!

Stack and Tilt FTW!

[eliyates2]

you can have the ugliest swing in the world but as long as you maintain good lag and have good contact with the clubface and ball at impact then you will be a fine golfer... besides its the shortgame that matters most.

[Derbygirltown]

I can see there are definite similarities with Hogan~that is the bottom line. What a great swing! the dream swing! We would all like to have stack and tilt problems of the so called bad back! ha. Must be a comment from a pro that teaches a different method?

[hogansking]

Many professional golfers have bad backs...

why do you think that is?

[JosefromParaguay]

I had one of the Starters talk to me about Stack and Tilt the other day on the range. He said it gave him confidence and was able to hit shots better. Look it doesn't matter the style you swing the club, though path and plane are extremely important. Golf is about putting the ball in the hole. That is it. People forget that though sometimes.

[golfmac1]

best golfer alive

[adsfigo]

Although looking at this again this player doesn't seem to resist the turn, a better example is aaron baddeley.

[adsfigo]

Stack and tilt is a bad way to phrase the swing, the golf swing is a motion and at no time does the player 'stop' to stack or tilt in the swing.

Its a very effective method to build a tight and compact swing, but any good player can see that its just resisting the turn on the backswing and keeping the head fixed over the ball. I personally feel the results are more consistent shots and i highlight the word consistent, not necessarily 'better' shots.

[333pg333]

Erghh!! It's ugly and bad for your back no matter what they say. If you want to see someone with great body angles look at Rod Pampling. At the top coming down into the ball there is a resemblance to another golfer who was renown for his ball-striking...Hogan.

[pecky1234]

stack and tilt doesnt work. they have removed the problem of sliding and swaying, and created a new one of incorrect spine angle. ur tailbone has to be closer to the target than ur head at impact. fact. evry gr8 player is like that. everyone. so to move from tilting toward the target at the top, to away from it at impact is more of a problem than swaying

[KngZ28]

This is very similar to what I have developed for myself to stop the "sway" and "sliding hips" I used to have. Now I'm trying to figure out how to move with power and still hit high long irons. That's the hardest part of this style, getting air with low lofted clubs, and maintain distance without a reverse pivot.

[wethepeople14]

i think stack and tilt is a suitable way to swing but it is tough on the body. The lower body is driving hard to produce the power and at the same time the upper body is moving slightly back(tilt) to level the bottom of the swing arc out. The player has to stay in good condition or back problems could occur. Correct me if i'm wrong but all the guys on tour that use stack and tilt are in really good condition.

[hogansking]

You're right. The upper body in moving back too much to level out the bottom of the swing can cause lower back issues (L4, L5) with overuse. As the spine rotates towards target with speed the spine should not be extending this way. Although Fred Couples never stayed on his left side he did tilt and then tilted back. Disc sheer was the result, maybe also because of a degenerative problem but his swing didn't help...

[hogansking]

Keep in mind that Badds, Weir... don't tilt towards the target as described in the Golf Digest. Check out my Weir viedeo.

[faderjoe]

Stack and Tilt is Snead, Hogan, Nicklaus. Pure and Simple. It is not the current pga instruction of today- the move to the right leg and move back to the left. That is Ballard, McLean and Ledbetter and everyone else that fails to see how the spine works in a golf swing. This stroke works for everyone.

[hogansking]

You put up any swing of Hogan, Nicklaus or Snead and I'll show you how to look at it & help you realize there is absolutely no tilt towards the target during the backswing...and if you believe the spine should tilt towards the target during this phase of the swing then you truly have no idea "how the spine works in a golf stroke". That you can take to the bank!

[FamilyHealthTeam]

You are stacked over your right foot, and the tilt comes from the tilting of your body towards the target at the top of your swing.

Google: Stack and Tilt golf.

[faderjoe]

No- You stack over the left leg. No rightward movement. The Tilt is out and down over the left knee from a spine tilt with a slight turn of the right shoulder toward the target. google- Sam Snead.

[pecky1234]

great swing but the whole stack and tilt thing, i fink, doesn't work with a driver. you get so far forward and on top its very difficult to stay behind the ball and hit it properly

[hogansking]

What you're saying here has no bearing whatsoever.

[hogansking]

There are 3 initial directions the ball can travel on when leaving the clubface (straight, right or left of target...basic ball flight laws).If you are ahead of it (as many amateurs are whether they stack & tilt or not)the ball can leave the clubface in any of the 3 previously mentioned directions depending on the nature of the

compensation....

[hogansking]

Furthermore 90-95 mph is not an extremely fast clubhead speed and does not warrant a stiff shaft which will worsen the pushing effect to the right for the RH golfer. Subconciously of course this golfer will overcompensate for not being able to square the face and susequently pull the ball. Come on... this is pretty basic stuff.

[hogansking]

What would usually be considered a standard stiff shaft is practically always too stiff for the golfer with this clubhead speed. Even for those whom have have an abrupt transition and load the shaft early in the downswing. If driver clubhead speed is closer to 100 or more, then yes a regular shaft can be too soft and lag behind for those whom load it early. Again S&T or not.

[johnm41887]

if what you are saying is true about 100mph clubhead speed being good for a stiff shaft, then that means a lot of the shorter hitting pga pros (zach johnson, steve stricker, etc.) are playing too stiff a shaft and should go down to a stiff shaft, because they only average between 100-108 mph clubhead speed and they all use x-stiff shafts. most shaft manufacturers have their stiff shafts suited for players with a swing speed of 90mph and up.

[hogansking]

The average driving distance on tour is 280.9 Zach is 268 and 280 last year. Stricker is tour avg (this year). I didn't check his stats for last year. A couple of things: Avg. driving distance is not recorded on every hole (used to be 2 holes only & maybe still is) On occasion the player may not be using his driver on the hole being used to record the distance. This then throws off the stats. Typically every mph hour of clubhead speed with driver= 2.35 to 2.5 yards of carry...

[hogansking]

Todays technology works in an exponential manner meaning the more clubhead speed the longer the ball flies in proportion to that speed. This being said you can't rely exactly on the stats to determine Zach's & Steve's clubhead speed. For sure Zach is somewhere around 108 & Steve is a little higher. They are not in the say 100-105 mph range. You can't forget that there is more than just clubhead speed that goes into the equation when determining shaft flex.

[ambush923]

Its a better way to swing, none of that sliding on the back swing

[fogelbaby]

the tilt is in the downswing. the left shoulder comes up as the tight tilts under

[jochooi]

Stacked yes, but where's the tilt?

[zaphod2]

i really ike the follow through, looks very powerful and controlled