Rubbish. When you actually know someone, you don't put them on a pedestal. You treat them as you would any other human, appreciating both their good qualities and bad. The way some folks go on, one could assume that Phil Dick could be petitioned to cure one's hemorrhoids. Only those who have no real contact with public figures tend to sanctify them.
@gemnerd1 Putting someone on a pedestal and declining to acknowledge a person's achievements and stature bu virtue of their works' merit are two different things. Should people speaking out against P. K. Dick have to be more able? Of course not, but if you regard their opinions they have to be at least honest, not bigoted and well informed.
@Almuric7 I didn't derive from these interviews that Jeter was speaking out against P. K. Dick. In fact, some of the things he said were also voiced by others on the tape. If the interviews didn't maintain what to you would be the properly reverential tone, keep in mind that friends see both the positive and negatives in one another and don't consider the negatives as a bar to friendship. Neither does acknowledging the friend's "issues" mean in any way a form of disrespect.
@gemnerd1 My problem is Jeter's crowning glory is a pastiche of Dick's ideas and he then says Dick isn't that great... I personally just don't understand his stance, "I'll make money off his fans, but I'll say he's ordinary - as if I could do better"
@Almuric7 Not sure what you consider Jeter's "crowning glory." Wasn't any of the Blade Runner stuff. Those are totally outliers for the author. And, by the way, most people consider their friends to be in the range of ordinary. Otherwise, it isn't a friendship, but a sycophantic relationship. As for the money, most of it went to Dick's kids, by design.
@gemnerd1 Well Jeter isn't to my mind above the Blade Runner franchise of Dick's with respect to his other works thus far - whether it be by popularity or accolade. But I can't say you don't state your case very well, and I respect your belief and opinion as you enforce your case. I just can't agree, but I thank you for another valid,opinion.
@penti77 Thanks, you put yourself out on here and take it as it comes, your respectful comment is appreciated, with many thanks - especially given your activity on here. All my best wishes.
For someone making a living out of the ideas of Philip K.Dick, Jeter is appallingly disrespectful. He has been equally insulting to Tessa (Phil's widow). I agree with you 100% and I thank you for posting this. Dick was a courageous truth seeker and sadly the 'truths' he found may be too big for fans and peers. Jeter is deliberately unkind when he doesn't need to be. Dick was sensitive and understood the importance of 'caritas' - that's why he came up with the 'empathy test.' Jeter ? GubbleGubble
@PaliGap1 K. W. Jeter wrote the Blade Runner books after the family selected him to do so, and the family received the bulk of the revenue from the proceeds, as it should have. It is not unkind or disrespectful to acknowledge both the positive and negative qualities of a friend. However, for those who do not have a direct, personal relationship to a public person, it can be difficult to see things from the perspective of someone who actually knew their hero.
@gemnerd1 You are right it is NOTdisrespectful to acknowledge both the positive & negative qualities of a friend. Jeter's disrespect is to speak of Dick sneeringly as if his work didn't amount to much. Furthermore, the fact that Jeter met Dick does not place him in any position of authority when it comes to appraising the work. I am comfortable with the idea that Dick could be difficult, unreliable -or even just a pain in the ass. It is the work I admire. Only a few family members chose Jeter.
@PaliGap1 Just a point of fact: The family members who chose Jeter were Dick's older children, the people to whom the courts had given control of the estate. The bulk of the revenue was split among the three children. As to tone and intent, I certainly did not read a sneer into Jeter's comments. Also, to characterize Jeter's relationship with Dick as having "met" him is inaccurate. He, Timothy Powers, and James Blaylock were at the core of Dick's social circle the last five years of his life.
@gemnerd1 That's right - a minority of family members chose Jeter. I am glad you 'certainly did not read a sneer into Jeter's comments.' However, I did. Jeter was one of Dick's social circle, but that does not qualify him to understand Dick's work better than others. In fact perspective may come from distance. Others may disagree with you. You may simply have to accept this.
@PaliGap1 You are correct -- it was a minority. However, it was the minority legally entitled to make the decision. It does seem, however, that you came to viewing the interview with your mind made up in advance, which then colored your perceptions. Nonetheless, I do accept that you and others may have a different viewpoint from mine. I just think yours is incorrect, as it is based on preconceived notions unfounded in an objective assessment of facts.
Rubbish. When you actually know someone, you don't put them on a pedestal. You treat them as you would any other human, appreciating both their good qualities and bad. The way some folks go on, one could assume that Phil Dick could be petitioned to cure one's hemorrhoids. Only those who have no real contact with public figures tend to sanctify them.
gemnerd1 7 months ago
@gemnerd1 Putting someone on a pedestal and declining to acknowledge a person's achievements and stature bu virtue of their works' merit are two different things. Should people speaking out against P. K. Dick have to be more able? Of course not, but if you regard their opinions they have to be at least honest, not bigoted and well informed.
Almuric7 7 months ago
@Almuric7 Typo or omitted comma to denote the separation: "...not bigoted, and well informed"
Almuric7 7 months ago
@Almuric7 I didn't derive from these interviews that Jeter was speaking out against P. K. Dick. In fact, some of the things he said were also voiced by others on the tape. If the interviews didn't maintain what to you would be the properly reverential tone, keep in mind that friends see both the positive and negatives in one another and don't consider the negatives as a bar to friendship. Neither does acknowledging the friend's "issues" mean in any way a form of disrespect.
gemnerd1 7 months ago
@gemnerd1 My problem is Jeter's crowning glory is a pastiche of Dick's ideas and he then says Dick isn't that great... I personally just don't understand his stance, "I'll make money off his fans, but I'll say he's ordinary - as if I could do better"
Almuric7 7 months ago
@Almuric7 Not sure what you consider Jeter's "crowning glory." Wasn't any of the Blade Runner stuff. Those are totally outliers for the author. And, by the way, most people consider their friends to be in the range of ordinary. Otherwise, it isn't a friendship, but a sycophantic relationship. As for the money, most of it went to Dick's kids, by design.
gemnerd1 7 months ago
@gemnerd1 Well Jeter isn't to my mind above the Blade Runner franchise of Dick's with respect to his other works thus far - whether it be by popularity or accolade. But I can't say you don't state your case very well, and I respect your belief and opinion as you enforce your case. I just can't agree, but I thank you for another valid,opinion.
Almuric7 7 months ago
I like you. You are astute and articulate (rare commodities these days). Really insightful little posting this. Ireland says hi and sends regards.
penti77 8 months ago
@penti77 Thanks, you put yourself out on here and take it as it comes, your respectful comment is appreciated, with many thanks - especially given your activity on here. All my best wishes.
Almuric7 7 months ago
For someone making a living out of the ideas of Philip K.Dick, Jeter is appallingly disrespectful. He has been equally insulting to Tessa (Phil's widow). I agree with you 100% and I thank you for posting this. Dick was a courageous truth seeker and sadly the 'truths' he found may be too big for fans and peers. Jeter is deliberately unkind when he doesn't need to be. Dick was sensitive and understood the importance of 'caritas' - that's why he came up with the 'empathy test.' Jeter ? GubbleGubble
PaliGap1 1 year ago
@PaliGap1 K. W. Jeter wrote the Blade Runner books after the family selected him to do so, and the family received the bulk of the revenue from the proceeds, as it should have. It is not unkind or disrespectful to acknowledge both the positive and negative qualities of a friend. However, for those who do not have a direct, personal relationship to a public person, it can be difficult to see things from the perspective of someone who actually knew their hero.
gemnerd1 7 months ago
@gemnerd1 You are right it is NOTdisrespectful to acknowledge both the positive & negative qualities of a friend. Jeter's disrespect is to speak of Dick sneeringly as if his work didn't amount to much. Furthermore, the fact that Jeter met Dick does not place him in any position of authority when it comes to appraising the work. I am comfortable with the idea that Dick could be difficult, unreliable -or even just a pain in the ass. It is the work I admire. Only a few family members chose Jeter.
PaliGap1 7 months ago
@PaliGap1 Just a point of fact: The family members who chose Jeter were Dick's older children, the people to whom the courts had given control of the estate. The bulk of the revenue was split among the three children. As to tone and intent, I certainly did not read a sneer into Jeter's comments. Also, to characterize Jeter's relationship with Dick as having "met" him is inaccurate. He, Timothy Powers, and James Blaylock were at the core of Dick's social circle the last five years of his life.
gemnerd1 7 months ago
@gemnerd1 That's right - a minority of family members chose Jeter. I am glad you 'certainly did not read a sneer into Jeter's comments.' However, I did. Jeter was one of Dick's social circle, but that does not qualify him to understand Dick's work better than others. In fact perspective may come from distance. Others may disagree with you. You may simply have to accept this.
PaliGap1 7 months ago
@PaliGap1 You are correct -- it was a minority. However, it was the minority legally entitled to make the decision. It does seem, however, that you came to viewing the interview with your mind made up in advance, which then colored your perceptions. Nonetheless, I do accept that you and others may have a different viewpoint from mine. I just think yours is incorrect, as it is based on preconceived notions unfounded in an objective assessment of facts.
gemnerd1 7 months ago