No references backing up Bill's assertion that Christians believe that "all Jews will die" at that time? I find only scriptural references which contradict that, which I've cited.
@ LAST2COMMENTS: Can you please tell me where in the bible you are finding these references?? I'm not being sarcastic, I just really am not aware of what you are saying. You may be ignorant about what you're writing, or I may be, (or all of us, haha). :) Reference?
I thought it was something like that...like in the book Zechariah (ch12, to use scriptural reference), concerning when Israel gets attacked by the surrounding nations:
"On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem. And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, ..."
I'm agnostic, but I don't believe the Bible says the Jews will be killed. It says that in the last days the Jews will become Christians. Correct me if I'm wrong...
@coolbanana165 it actually says specifically all jews will go to hell except(im not sure about this integer) 400 with go to heaven. But in the bible it says when jesus does rise its land will be reacquired by the israelites.
Well "Jew" can refer to any person ethnically descended from (the tribe of) Judah, or a person who follows the religion (Judaism) of those ethnic people, but who do not accept Jesus.
I wasn't asking about Islam; I think its pretty well established that according to Islamic belief "all Jews will die" at that time. It seemed to me that Bill Maher was connecting that belief to Christianity, and I was just curious about any supporting scriptural reference.
i may be a bit confused here..amy holmes said "because they [many christians] believe that's where the 'end of days' will happen and they want to protect israel". bill maher implies that all jews will be killed according to christian belief. why would one attempt to protect what they believe cannot be protected? that's just a rhetorical question for thought; my real question is: Where does this idea, that Christians believe all Jews will die at that time, come from? (reference please) thanks!!
6 million died in ww2? Really now. The figure was lowered considerably, even wiesenthal said the lowered number was correct, along with many other jews and non jews, yet the '6 million' card is always played in mainstream media.
Look at that dumb bitch "I thought that was scientology"
What that lady in the red said about fixing yourself and helping others.....the most rational thing a Christian has ever said (assuming she's a Christian, if the video showed she is I missed it)
This is comedy, what does one expect. Bill though could sometimes be an assclown. Christians believe that they are to be judged by faith and works while the Jews by the laws of the book.
The God of the Jews which is also the Christian God is a very loving God. No need to fret or worry.
wow these ladies are so educated and advanced in life and are still religious ..that is heart breaking, they should know by now that religion started as worship of the earth and the skies, which is why they had a god for everything (thunder,rain,fire,wind,trees,cold,heat,etc) in the old test. jehovah is a volcano god and jesus is the sun in the sky we see every morning, but within these stories they injected doctrine and instructions to eternally keep humanity separated and in a state of war.
@loisen destroying homes and creating new country is crazy if its not palestenian homes.we can talk about palestenians killing israeli civilians,israel using phospurus rockets against palestenians,shooting down their children,bombing hospitals,blocking medicine,killing palestenians for selling their internal organs.their is no diffrence between zionist and a terrorist. no matter what you do those people never leave their homeland.viva palestine.
@Gnomefro i am not talking relegiously.but politicaly they should have made a jewish country in europe,where jews actualy oppressed and tortured to death. british did a fine job getting rid of all those jewish refugees from europe.if isreal is innocent as you say.why are they still demolishing palestenian homes.they already have a country.but thats not enough they want to expand it . Any one who kills innocent civilians is a terrorist for me.
That's completely crazy. I don't want to belittle you but destroying countries and forming a new one is crazy. Beside that Israel couldn't have existed in Europe. There is only one Israel and that was always in the same place as it is now. Even thousand of years ago Jews never accepted to be split from their country. They always went back because it means the world to them.
BTW do we really want to talk about Palestinians attacking innocent civilians?
@rogerbahakel yeah 144000 jewish men total. right? No one is going to hell silly. That's a threat that they want you to believe... that's the reason islam and christianity are so big.. fear.
@iliveon The reason why Islam and Christianity is big is that these two religions are active in converting, the Jews are not so.
The factor of fear may have some bearing to it. For Muslims one reason is that it is like the Hotel California. "You can check in anytime you like but you can never leave".
For Christians (at least in the Philippines), most are born into it, grew up into it and for most, love it or have no other alternative to conduct faith except by it. Some simply do not care.
@fernandezramon21 no, the reason is the hellfire that is preached to little children, some of them cry about it and suffer deeply because of it. Some atheists are now psychologically damaged because of this horrible notion of hellfire. Hellfire keeps the people in line. Hellfire is why so many believers say "I'd rather believe than not because if there is no god, I've lost nothing, and if there is, I've lost everything and that is bad"
These people are in fear of hell. I am in disgust
@fernandezramon21 What the most laws you speak of, and how did humans not come up with them by themselves? That is ridiculous to think religion started these things, in my submission.
@iliveon Let us just take one, the American Constitution.
When the Constitution was being framed...no, it is best that you research it and find out how Jefferson went about it and his co- framers starting with the bill of rights. The US Constitution also was a document that other documents in democratic societies were framed after.
@fernandezramon21 in god we trust was not on the dollar until much much later, you should know this
the constitution does not say put god first, in fact it says anyone can worship however they like, it does not say do not covet, it does not make anything like picking up sticks illegal on sunday
@iliveon You are correct there buddy. The dollar, the worship, but it still said worship as one of the reasons for the early Americans were to escape religious persecution from England. Still the constitution is influenced heavily (and influenced other documents in many parts of the world) and the dollar still says it.
I hope that this conversation is not about slinging mud but in accepting and respecting differences and ideas. You are a good sport and this is interesting.
@iliveon The Civil liberties and the civilization that you are enjoying now was largely influenced by religious beliefs. In fact, from a grand scale, nothing was achieved without religion. Hospitals, charitable institutions, schools etc. was established by institutionalized and non institutionalized religion. You can site any good book in the world that played a major influence in human behavior and you will find out that it was influenced by religious beliefs.
@fernandezramon21 "major influence in human behavior and you will find out that it was influenced by religious beliefs."
I know this and accept this.
The civil liberties came from religion forcing people to worship a certain way and outlawing other beliefs. The pilgrims coming to America is because of this. In no way would I say this introduction of secular society mandated by the Constitution is from religion, but instead from people wanting to get away from religion being forced on them
@iliveon Now, there are two kinds of people adhering to religion and they are often confused with one another. There are the believers, and there are the followers. The devil himself (according to the Christian religion) is a believer. Atrocities, immoralities are coming from those who give their religion a bad name. Bad, btw is what gets noticed as it hits news, the good are in the sidelines although they are the one that are influencing and holding on to what is moral and what is not.
@iliveon BTW, man could come with them by themselves but would have done it differently if it were not religion based
Take for ex. the commandment "Thou shall not steal"
If it were not articulated with the help of religion, there would have been no economic progress, no incentive to achieve, no sense of security etc. Sure man could form laws that frowns on that but it would not bear the fangs that it should. It would even be argued that the principles will change from one generation to another.
@iliveon In Judaism, there are 10 commandments like you already know. In the Christian faith there is only one. Love. It is divided into 2 parts. Love God and love the neighbor as the self. Even if both religions are not true, what could be so bad about believing in it? Killing people who works of the Sabbath or on a Sunday or just plainly causing harm is in contradiction to what their religion is really all about. One would not need religion to have atrocious behavior.
@fernandezramon21 I agree that you do not need religion to commit atrocities, but religion evolves, new religions are made based on others, they pull from one another. Religion including the afterlife just means that some deluded idiot will convince himself and possibly others that the world is coming to an end, the only way to heaven is to have faith and kill yourself, or that God wants him and his followers to kill another race or group of people because they are of the devil.
@fernandezramon21 killing in the name of god/religion is the most powerful of them all. It means you are confident that you have a place in heaven already, and that whomever you are killing, you have divine warrant and duty to do so. It makes it that much eviler.
@iliveon Sorry i made an error there. Judaism has 10 commandments that were expanded to multiple laws. The Christian faith acknowledges 10 subdivided into two summarized into one. Love.
In many parts of the world, criminals could no longer be executed. A long struggle between the good influencing the bad.
If one could argue that religion kills or has caused so much wars and sufferings, one also argues that being an agnostic or an atheist is not a guarantee to good behavior.
To the contrary, it is always better to believe in something good (higher than the self) if that could be a guideline to conduct the self better towards society at large.
@fernandezramon21 To the contrary, it is always better to believe in something good (higher than the self) if that could be a guideline to conduct the self better towards society at large.
If one looks at the global peace index, it confirms that more secular nations with more atheists are more ethical and more more than those with religion. And yes that includes the Christian nations. In no way is it the case that it is "always better' to believe in something higher than one's self
@fernandezramon21 is it always better to believe in something good, OF COURSE it is... higher? no, of course not, that is disproven by world statistics global peace index. Look it up
@iliveon Since you believe in evil, you must also believe in the good. That is religion enough.
If you layer it you will arrive at absolute evil and absolute good. There is nothing wrong that I see in people knowing good and evil and trying to live out for one while avoiding the other. That is the only way that civilization, progress and realization of the self is arrived at. In most civilizations, the other is represented by the Devil the other is by absolute goodness called a God.
@iliveon To say that atheists are psychologically damaged is a particularization that applies to a general.
If no one is psychologically perfect, everyone is psychologically damaged by some degree or the other. Psychological damage is not brought about only by particular beliefs, it could also be caused by orientation to life, rejection, training, social circumstances, finances etc. Only the belief in goodness will enable it to somehow get back to an order of things that are acceptable.
@iliveon The 144,000 is a representative number meaning completion or wholeness i.e. 12 apostles, 12 months in a year, 12 tribes of Israel etc as in 12x12=144. It is like saying forgive your enemies 70 x 7 which means always.
Unconditional support for Israel by Evangelical Christians is rooted in Protestantism's historical tendency to Judaize when interpreting the Bible and in politics.
but there will be no more holy spirit which is that little voice in the back of your head known as your conscious, so bill when your trapped here on earth with the devil himself i bet the first thing you'll scream is "oh god help me!". so do us christians and religous people a favor stop perverting what where doing in the churches and go back to your cult know as the free masons or better know as the ILLUMINATI.....and bill ill pray for your over insecure political ass.
oh silly bill, if god isnt real then why is our country founded on it. "in god we trust". if it isnt real then why does 80% of the world belive in god? and when the end time happens "the rapture" what will happen is this, jesus will take all faithfull beleivers to heaven then all the others will live on planet earth for another 7 years while the earth is ruled by the devil himself....BUT this is not the end for whoever is still on earth they can still be saved and go to heaven.
Bill is as ignorant as most people about the book of the Revelation. The book is not true but, in this book, it is the Jews who are being persecuted and who are rescued from annihilation by Jesus. Christians and non-Christians who think that Jesus comes to kill Jews have missed the point of the ending.
@LibertyDownUnder SOME Nazi policies were left wing, but not the famous, jew-killing and military ones. Ever hear of the night of long knives? Hitler killed all the socialist, left-wingers in his party.
Zedong and Castro were terrible left-wingers:they stole from their countries and killed the innocent,
Stalin and Mussolini were insane, and there are plenty of right-wing crazy-power hungry leaders throught history
also of course Marx was lefty--thats like saying KFC do chicken, pretty obvious
@5oodings, Nazis stands for "National Socialists". The wanted complete control over the economy, and the ability to regulate everything.
That doesn't fit with any modern day right wing ideaology I know (apart from some of GWB's policies), but it does with many left wing groups.
They want complete control over healthcare, the banks, manufacturing, transport etc. A few in today's Democratic party are openly Marxist, same goes for many left wing parties in Europe.
@LibertyDownUnder ~ you literally have no idea what you are talking about. liberals don't want "control" over healthcare, they want it accessible to everyone, they don't want "control" over the banks, they want regulations that keep consumers being legally ripped off, liberals don't want "control" over manufacturing, they want labor and the environment to be protected from corporate abuse... if you want to talk about control freaks, you are projecting idiot, it's a conservative thing.
Yes, Bill, Joe "The Plumber" is a representative of the conservative/Christian nation. The problem is that you get a lot of foolish and silly people placed into these lofty positions of media exposure because they are perceived as being interesting. How often do you hear someone intelligent from the general public (on any side) on television with that much exposure? Even on NPR, they interviewed people from those sit-ins and most of them sounded like they had absolutely idea what they wanted.
I want Bill to never stop what he's doing and for all unsure christians (wich I think is a lot) to come out and at least declare themselves agnostic. Being agnostic is silly but at least saying I don't know is honest. Then we can become a nation where being athiest isn't bazaar. This country is ran by wack jobs who want to deny change. "Change is the only constant we know". Today we have Science and Bioligy so we know why the sun rises and sets, we know why the tides go in and out.
The lady in the middle said the most thoughtful thing about what other types of Christians believe.
I'm a Christian and I know that murder is wrong no matter who does it. Killing innocent women and children is wrong. Stealing is wrong and just to be honest, Suicide is wrong too. All the Palestinians want is their land back. WTF do you think their fighting for? For fun? Noooooooo.
Imagine if it were you. Unthinkable Right. Long Live Palestine! Long Live Gaza!
In Genesis God told Abraham that through him all the nations of the world be blest. This promise was fulfilled when Jesus (a Jew) came to die for the sins of mankind. This is why Christians love the Jews. It was through them that God revealed his word and sent us the Messiah. The Bible does not prophesy, as Bill Maher says, that Jesus will come back to kill the Jews. Rather that at the end of time the entire world will turn on Israel and that Jesus will come back to save them from their enemies.
@gtrjag28 I was agreeing with you until you gto to the part about we would turning on Israel. What do you expect? I don't agree with murder, military oppression, segreation, confinement, illegal imprisonment of innocent people. I don't agree with systematic genocide. I want to live too. I want to be free to watch my children grow.
I'm not turning against the Jews, I am against the Zionist movement, because the real Jews Orthodox Rabbi's agree with me.
What a load of bullshit. Right wingers don't care if you're the aggressor or what your religion is. They will sell weapons to their declared enemies and anyone else who is willing to pay. Money is the only thing that matters to them. To be honest though, this applies to both sides of the spectrum. The right wing is just more open about since their voters have even less integrity than the others.
Actually conservatives tend to support the cause that they believe is just. Israel is the only democracy in the region. Christians do not teach or believe that when Christ returns He will kill the Jews. He is returning to save Israel from her enemies among other things. I like Bill but he is totally out to lunch in this regard.
America cannot solve the stupid arguments between silly factions of vicious Levantine idiots. America needs to get out of the Middle East... our meddling there has caused one violent faction to bring down the Twin Towers. Let those fools over there fight among themselves...
and any1 who watches him is even fuckin dumber for blindly believin
Christians want to protect israel because thats where the end of days will happen???
THATS JUST STUPID AS SHIT
has he ever considered that that is the only free place without terrorists in the middle east and if they fall we have no1 to help us out in an entire region of the planet when they attempt to attack us because we have freedom of religion
Jesus "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
2 Corinthians: v 13 - 15
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workman, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. "
Mohammed was claimed he was talking 2 God, where in fact he was talking to Satan.
@arzermey Now its corrupted? lol The only thing that the Romans changed in the bible is blaming the Jews for Jesus death when in fact it was them who murdered him, the rest is true.
@newstartforme1 Debating fairy tales doesn't make them true. There are no invisible beings in the sky no matter how many bronze age goat herders said there was. This is the 21st century, try dealing with reality.
@arzermey Jerusalem wasnt given to the Jews, the JEWS BUILT JERUSALEM. They were told to dwell the earth and return back to the land b4 the massiah arrives (it says so in bible & the fake quran) Jesus is a Jew, he was born in Judea and his first followers were his ppl (the Jews). But what I found most interesting is that Jesus said that the next man who would claim to be sent from God (Prophet) would be actually sent from Satan, and that person he was referring too was mohammed
this is arrogant statement, those prophets follow Allah command from revelation, those prophet who bring jew ppls to juruselem, jews ppl who made them been self eviction for what they had done,
"Jesus said that the next man who would claim to be sent from God (Prophet)"would be actually sent from Satan, and that person he was referring too was mohammed
show me that verse
and i heard that jesus said it is AMONG their OWN ppl who will corrupting the bible,
holy land jurruselem once been given to israel, but after they change the word of Allah(god) in the book, then Allah damn all this greedy jew. jurruselem was attacked n destroyed and those jews became a slave by other empire.then jews ppl was promised to be send another messenger, he was jesus, but jews ppl dont believe in jesus,they claim jesus as a bastard(born without father).they tried to kill jesus in order to proof jesus is a messenger but jesus was not die at the cross,
@arzermey Well of course, it wasnt even called Jerusalem till the Jews immigrated and built the city.
As Jesus said there would be many false prophets. Revelation 9 describes Islam and verse eleven says their leader is "Destroyer" prophets. "They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
@newstartforme1 quran calls it palestine i think,radical zionists call it israel,who cares if u r gods chosen people,just dont steal someone else land.
@kshhashim "who cares if u r gods chosen people,just dont steal someone else land."
That's what the Arabs tried to do when they went to war against the Jews. They are now paying the price of losing a war. No sane person can blame the Jews for insisting on stable, defendable borders or kicking the Arabs out of the area. It's the only way they could avoid further terrorist activity.
The Jews who established Israel after the British mandate expired had bought their land.
@kshhashim The establishment of Israel in no way, shape or form, required expelling anyone. That only became a necessity after the Arabs had declared their hostile intent.
@kshhashim The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a story of immigration tensions, which are found everywhere, run amok, which is not found everywhere. The reason they have run amok is largely because of Islam giving the Arabs supremacist ideas and especially a right to rule over the Jews and Christians. That is also the reason there was a clear need for a Jewish state where they could rule themselves without being oppressed by muslim religious laws when the British mandate expired.
@newstartforme1 the quran says sons of israel not israel and actually we muslims believe that the jews were expelled from the lands even some jews(rabbis) agree with us
@bash715 Some rabbis? LOL All rabbis would agree with that, because its true. The Romans kicked out the Jews but many came back stright away and some waited for the massiah or the end of days."And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]the Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to Israel before the Last Judgment.
@newstartforme1 May i add that a prophecy in the bible (by Jesus Christ) also mentioned that the judgement is already close at hand, even at the very door, when the fig tree starts shooting new sprouts. In eschatology the fig tree represents Israel. It is also widely accepted that this happened in 1948.
it talks to the son of israel after pharon death that live in the land (al shaam and egypt) but when it says gather you it talks about the judgement day(after life) the most muslims shieks agree with this meaning
@bash715 I was told that he will come from out side of Israel whatever that means. And for your second question I dont think so. It says that the massiah would come to save the Israelites and nothing else.
@newstartforme1 If you feel that you are already entitled to exclusive salvation, that is your position and it is respected but at least be magnanimous and treat people with respect befitting someone who is bound for a better afterlife. You do not call people as "nothing else". "No one else" is civil enough.
@fernandezramon21 Darling I was only saying what I know. I was told that the good ppl would live and the bad would die no matter what religion they are. And the massiah would be an outsider, some say that he wont be Jewish some say he will but from another country and some say it's Jesus and he will come from the sky. I aint sure myself.
Israeli achiements, the 100th smallest country in the world with less than 1000th the worlds population; Israeli and Jewish Nobel Prize winners; Chemistry 20% of world total, economics 42% of world total, physiology and medicine 28% of world total, physics, 26% of world total, literature 12% of world total. Highest percentage per capita of PC's, 2nd highest producer of new books, most museums per capita, 24% workforce hold degrees and 12% hold advanced degrees ie the highest ratio in the world.
Its a political orientation. They believe in the prosperity gospel and literal understanding of the Bible. Kinda like saying killing a person by accident is as bad as a planned assassination. Jesus preached love and the obedience to the spirit of the Law. An example is homosexuality. The Bible says it is wrong somewhere in Leviticus but the idea is giving in to ones carnal nature is wrong. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
@n0manland I didn't say that Israel is the place, I meant the people. citizen of Israel are Israel. And they truelly are sanctioned by God. You should read the bible so you would agree with me.
@TheLahna87 : You sound backward and retarded. Palestine is the place, Israel is the squatter camp that occupies it. Now which part of the Bible says all those who call themselves "jews" can squat in Palestine and genocide the natives? Look forward to hearing from ya and dragging you some more.
The Old Testament mostly where the Jews get dragged out of the place twice and God brings them back.
Palestine/Israel was originally the homeland of the Israelites. These are the ancestors of the modern Jews. The Philistines and Assyrians came to Palestine dragged them out of the homeland, squatted on it, found Allah and now whine they have to share with the natives.
Basically, in political philosophy, right-wingers support the aggressor in all situations. Left-wingers support the victim. Plain and simple. Why do you think they love the military so much? It aint about protection, it's about living their action-movie fantasy out.
WW2: Jews were victims. Right-wingers were with the Nazis. Left-wingers and intellectuals fought for the Jews.
Today: Israelis = aggressors. Right wingers love them now, now that they are the Nazis.
@SuGaRuSh14 you are such a retard. Jews run the country, why do you think Obama is against a Palestinian state through the UN? You left-wingers side so much with the victims you supported the ''oppressed'' jews which were murdering palestinians after WW2. Idiot.
@SuGaRuSh14 You're really clueless about actual history. That's what public education will get you. An altered reality. If you're interested, the correct information is actually out there, but it will take some work on your part to find it, since the liberal left has done so much to cover up the reality of history. Do your homework and educate yourself before you spout off about something you obviously know nothing about.
Respond to this video... Bill Maher cares nothing for actual truth and fact, simply for ratings. Anyone interested in truth would do their homework instead of believing the popular idiocy spouted out these days. Obviously, it's more popular to tout the party line, so that's what most of these talking heads do.
@SuGaRuSh14 Republicans are dicks,but there not that evil.But about Isral.There geting fucked right they do what they have to survive(personal I hope one day there will be peace) .
So was Mussolini, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Mao Zedung, Karl Marx, Josef Stalin, and the list goes on.
All humanity's problems start off with 'good will', and very quickly detiriorate in an all powerful state controlled society.
Today's left (and some of the right) advocates more and more state control, all in the name of the 'public good' with complete disregard to what it has led to in the past.
@LibertyDownUnder ~ and nazi's were not left wing you brain dead glenn beck puppet, nazi's killed leftists in germany, they murdered communists and socialists, they murdered jews, gays, intellectuals, artists, professors, and they murdered anyone who helped anyone they opposed. which was anyone who advocated democracy for all. any 10 year old with a half way descent education knows this. you are the most ignorant person i have come across in some time. and that is saying something!
@tomitstube, the Nazis (AKA National SOCIALISTS) took control of most of the economy & the healthcare system (like the left is doing now), dictated to the media what to say (like the left is trying to do now), abolished religious teachings (like the left is trying to do now), silenced opposing opinions by force (like the left is doing now, see "Gibson Guitars CEO").
Today's right wing wants the exact opposite of all of the above, especially the so called 'far right' like Ron Paul.
If you break the law you have to expect to the punished
You might think he has a right to take advantage of other countries illegal logging businesses, but he broke other countries laws and deserved what he got
@Libert Yes and Gibson is known to have stolen wood from other countries
If I stole your car, took it to a chop shop and resold it would you want me arrested or would I be allowed to use the capitalism defense to justify what I did?
Well of course I'm a liberal, let's change things
Let's say a republican businessman had your car stolen, took it to a chop shop then found a customer who bought your car from him
Would that be alright? You'd be hurting a republican business if you arrested him!
@LibertyDownUnder ~ the nazi's called themselves "socialists", but everything you mentioned they did are fascist ideas. the democratic left as i said are not taking over anything, that's just pseudo nonsense swirling inside your head. the nazi's as i said murdered "socialists", the nazi's mirror the ideals of the american right, nationalism, race superiority and xenophobia, the demonizing of intellectuals, i.e. the science of global warming and evolution, etc. your whole argument is nonsense.
@dffykvn, I'm not gonna go around in circles here.
Whatever you want to call it, a centrally controlled economy is what Obama is pushing for. Same as every tyrant in history it is done in the name of the "public good".
Bush did the same out of stupidity, Obama is continuing his falied policies.
Animal Farm simply demonstrated how "good will" is quickly hijacked and abused by the power hungry. Take from it what you will.
@LibertyDownUnder ~ i am familiar with animal farm, a fable that easily applies to a vague capitalism as it does a vague communism. what you fail to comprehend is "capitalism" is not democracy, capitalism is not in the constitution, capitalism without regulations and equitable taxes - which pay for social programs that benefit society - is just a pyramid scheme run by oligarchs. america is a socialist by the virtue of our bill of rights, anyone who tells you otherwise is sorely misinformed.
@LibertyDownUnder ~ the so-called "free" market gave us slavery, child labor, sweat shops, and poverty wages, it was the federal government by protecting civil rights that ended those barbaric practices. it's all crony capitalism, republicans since ronald reagan have been filling regulatory agencies like the epa and dept of labor with the very people they are supposed to be protecting us from. bp, massey energy, the koch brothers, etc. that is the very definition of "crony capitalism".
@tomitstube Wait until an asshole like romanmir comes on
Romanmir loves to defend the indefensible like pollution, sweat shops, dangerous workplaces, child labor and hates "anti capitalist things" like worker protection, environmental protection, the minimum wage
He also defends starvation wages, children working with toxic chemicals
These libertarian capitalists are fucking evil people with horrific ideas
@dffykvn ~ sounds like a guy i used to get into it with, his (or her) name was luvcheney i think, same thing, he equated child labor to taking your kid to work, kind of in the vein of glenn beck equating "empathy" to hitler genocide. search engine "lewis black on glenn beck" if you haven't seen it, it's a back in black segment from the daily show.
i've noticed a real push for wrong paul lately, i think the neo-cons are trying to repackage the tea bags, they're trying to muscle in on ows.
@tomitstube Those assholes are trying to make advocating for segregation acceptable
I hate ron paul and his cultists, they are going to take america back to the golden age of america...the 1950s...no not the good side with upwardly mobile income, but the dark side with all of the jingoistic capitalism, racism, homophobia and segregation
@dffykvn ~ you're right, i hate libertarians even more than republicans, at least with republicans they know they're sociopaths, racists, and greedy lying cheats who would do anything for a buck. libertarians try to come off as egalitarian but pretty much have the same ideology. to understand ron paul you only have to look at his boy rand, defending massive polluters, racism, corporate greed, and believing the government makes them bad... libertarians like the kochs are more dangerous.
@tomitstube You could take one of hitlers social darwinist speeches, synch it to rand or wrongs lip flaps and it would sound exactly like something he'd say
@tomitstube, the free market freed us from slavery. Slavery existed a long time before free markets.
I don't have any problem with sweathshops, child labor or poverty wages. I started working when I was 10 and it worked out fine for me. Kids on farms work from a very young age, and are happy to do so.
Yes, Republicans have been doing the wrong thing for decades. This is not a problem with 1 party only.
@LibertyDownUnder ~ slavery is the free market. besides prostitution, it's the oldest free market job in the world, it's advocated in the bible.
"i don't have problems with sweatshops". well there you go, you're a sociopath. or social conservative, keeping others down to stay in power, yet you tout the beneficence of a "free" market"? slave owners fought for the same "free" market ideals. in that i mean you think freedom (or people) is something to sell on wall street.
@LibertyDownUnder ~ sweatshops is getting people out of poverty? it's the definition of forced poverty you idiot, barely above slavery. people in sweatshops are dirt poor and exploited whether it's china or africa or america. gawd you're stupid. you need to put in a sweatshop.
@LibertyDownUnder ~ "people start off in sweatshops, then save some money and move up". you really are clueless aren't you? you don't "save money" on extreme poverty wages. what an idiot thinking you can save for something when you can barely feed yourself.
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No references backing up Bill's assertion that Christians believe that "all Jews will die" at that time? I find only scriptural references which contradict that, which I've cited.
@ LAST2COMMENTS: Can you please tell me where in the bible you are finding these references?? I'm not being sarcastic, I just really am not aware of what you are saying. You may be ignorant about what you're writing, or I may be, (or all of us, haha). :) Reference?
Thanks!
aprovider999 1 day ago
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aprovider999 1 day ago
I thought it was something like that...like in the book Zechariah (ch12, to use scriptural reference), concerning when Israel gets attacked by the surrounding nations:
"On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem. And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, ..."
.but maybe Bill knows more?
aprovider999 2 days ago
I'm agnostic, but I don't believe the Bible says the Jews will be killed. It says that in the last days the Jews will become Christians. Correct me if I'm wrong...
coolbanana165 2 days ago
@coolbanana165 it actually says specifically all jews will go to hell except(im not sure about this integer) 400 with go to heaven. But in the bible it says when jesus does rise its land will be reacquired by the israelites.
sambomatic 1 day ago
@coolbanana165 If you are not Christian you go to hell even the Jews,which I find funny because because without Judaism there is no Christianity
MrBlackatheist 1 day ago
Well "Jew" can refer to any person ethnically descended from (the tribe of) Judah, or a person who follows the religion (Judaism) of those ethnic people, but who do not accept Jesus.
I wasn't asking about Islam; I think its pretty well established that according to Islamic belief "all Jews will die" at that time. It seemed to me that Bill Maher was connecting that belief to Christianity, and I was just curious about any supporting scriptural reference.
Can anyone give one?
thanks, appreciate it
aprovider999 4 days ago
The holy Prophet Jesus (AS/Peace be upon him) IS a Muslim, NOT a Jew. Islam is the best way of life!
xtremeownage2 4 days ago
i may be a bit confused here..amy holmes said "because they [many christians] believe that's where the 'end of days' will happen and they want to protect israel". bill maher implies that all jews will be killed according to christian belief. why would one attempt to protect what they believe cannot be protected? that's just a rhetorical question for thought; my real question is: Where does this idea, that Christians believe all Jews will die at that time, come from? (reference please) thanks!!
aprovider999 4 days ago
6 million died in ww2? Really now. The figure was lowered considerably, even wiesenthal said the lowered number was correct, along with many other jews and non jews, yet the '6 million' card is always played in mainstream media.
cfc19900 1 week ago
Look at that dumb bitch "I thought that was scientology"
What that lady in the red said about fixing yourself and helping others.....the most rational thing a Christian has ever said (assuming she's a Christian, if the video showed she is I missed it)
JM1993951 1 week ago
Jews wrote the bible, why would god punish them?
offwithurhead 2 weeks ago
@offwithurhead Jesus did not write the Bible.
me25422 2 weeks ago
@me25422 No shit...
offwithurhead 2 weeks ago
@offwithurhead woops I thought u wrote JEsus.
me25422 2 weeks ago
"spacegods are spacegods" lol
that should be a t-shirt
andrewp730 2 weeks ago
Its Mormonism not Scientology.
But as Bill says, space God is Space God.
aaron9099 2 weeks ago
This is comedy, what does one expect. Bill though could sometimes be an assclown. Christians believe that they are to be judged by faith and works while the Jews by the laws of the book.
The God of the Jews which is also the Christian God is a very loving God. No need to fret or worry.
fernandezramon21 3 weeks ago
Just another example of how religion = stupid and why it shouldn't have an effect on how politics are made...
MrMeowmix83 3 weeks ago
wow these ladies are so educated and advanced in life and are still religious ..that is heart breaking, they should know by now that religion started as worship of the earth and the skies, which is why they had a god for everything (thunder,rain,fire,wind,trees,cold,heat,etc) in the old test. jehovah is a volcano god and jesus is the sun in the sky we see every morning, but within these stories they injected doctrine and instructions to eternally keep humanity separated and in a state of war.
fhab525 4 weeks ago
@loisen destroying homes and creating new country is crazy if its not palestenian homes.we can talk about palestenians killing israeli civilians,israel using phospurus rockets against palestenians,shooting down their children,bombing hospitals,blocking medicine,killing palestenians for selling their internal organs.their is no diffrence between zionist and a terrorist. no matter what you do those people never leave their homeland.viva palestine.
kshhashim 1 month ago 2
@kshhashim alot of bull in that
momobear67 1 month ago
@Gnomefro i am not talking relegiously.but politicaly they should have made a jewish country in europe,where jews actualy oppressed and tortured to death. british did a fine job getting rid of all those jewish refugees from europe.if isreal is innocent as you say.why are they still demolishing palestenian homes.they already have a country.but thats not enough they want to expand it . Any one who kills innocent civilians is a terrorist for me.
kshhashim 1 month ago
@kshhashim
That's completely crazy. I don't want to belittle you but destroying countries and forming a new one is crazy. Beside that Israel couldn't have existed in Europe. There is only one Israel and that was always in the same place as it is now. Even thousand of years ago Jews never accepted to be split from their country. They always went back because it means the world to them.
BTW do we really want to talk about Palestinians attacking innocent civilians?
loisen 1 month ago
the bible says that a remmant of israel will be saved.so not all jews are going to hell.
rogerbahakel 1 month ago
@rogerbahakel yeah 144000 jewish men total. right? No one is going to hell silly. That's a threat that they want you to believe... that's the reason islam and christianity are so big.. fear.
iliveon 1 month ago
@iliveon The reason why Islam and Christianity is big is that these two religions are active in converting, the Jews are not so.
The factor of fear may have some bearing to it. For Muslims one reason is that it is like the Hotel California. "You can check in anytime you like but you can never leave".
For Christians (at least in the Philippines), most are born into it, grew up into it and for most, love it or have no other alternative to conduct faith except by it. Some simply do not care.
fernandezramon21 3 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 no, the reason is the hellfire that is preached to little children, some of them cry about it and suffer deeply because of it. Some atheists are now psychologically damaged because of this horrible notion of hellfire. Hellfire keeps the people in line. Hellfire is why so many believers say "I'd rather believe than not because if there is no god, I've lost nothing, and if there is, I've lost everything and that is bad"
These people are in fear of hell. I am in disgust
iliveon 3 weeks ago
@iliveon To each his own and there is also goodness in diversity of beliefs and opinions provided the truth is ferret out.
Me, if it helps people to do good and keep doing good, a God could be invented if it comes to that.
Remember that most laws that are now existing, especially in democratic states were based on religious beliefs.
The bad comes from its misinterpretation or too much of it that we breed fanatics, dumb zealots. and plain dumb.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 What the most laws you speak of, and how did humans not come up with them by themselves? That is ridiculous to think religion started these things, in my submission.
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@iliveon Let us just take one, the American Constitution.
When the Constitution was being framed...no, it is best that you research it and find out how Jefferson went about it and his co- framers starting with the bill of rights. The US Constitution also was a document that other documents in democratic societies were framed after.
Your dollar even says it "In God We Trust".
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 in god we trust was not on the dollar until much much later, you should know this
the constitution does not say put god first, in fact it says anyone can worship however they like, it does not say do not covet, it does not make anything like picking up sticks illegal on sunday
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@iliveon You are correct there buddy. The dollar, the worship, but it still said worship as one of the reasons for the early Americans were to escape religious persecution from England. Still the constitution is influenced heavily (and influenced other documents in many parts of the world) and the dollar still says it.
I hope that this conversation is not about slinging mud but in accepting and respecting differences and ideas. You are a good sport and this is interesting.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@iliveon The Civil liberties and the civilization that you are enjoying now was largely influenced by religious beliefs. In fact, from a grand scale, nothing was achieved without religion. Hospitals, charitable institutions, schools etc. was established by institutionalized and non institutionalized religion. You can site any good book in the world that played a major influence in human behavior and you will find out that it was influenced by religious beliefs.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 "major influence in human behavior and you will find out that it was influenced by religious beliefs."
I know this and accept this.
The civil liberties came from religion forcing people to worship a certain way and outlawing other beliefs. The pilgrims coming to America is because of this. In no way would I say this introduction of secular society mandated by the Constitution is from religion, but instead from people wanting to get away from religion being forced on them
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@iliveon Now, there are two kinds of people adhering to religion and they are often confused with one another. There are the believers, and there are the followers. The devil himself (according to the Christian religion) is a believer. Atrocities, immoralities are coming from those who give their religion a bad name. Bad, btw is what gets noticed as it hits news, the good are in the sidelines although they are the one that are influencing and holding on to what is moral and what is not.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@iliveon BTW, man could come with them by themselves but would have done it differently if it were not religion based
Take for ex. the commandment "Thou shall not steal"
If it were not articulated with the help of religion, there would have been no economic progress, no incentive to achieve, no sense of security etc. Sure man could form laws that frowns on that but it would not bear the fangs that it should. It would even be argued that the principles will change from one generation to another.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 "Sure man could form laws that frowns on that but it would not bear the fangs that it should."
You mean like the police or other men killing you for breaking into their house?
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@iliveon In Judaism, there are 10 commandments like you already know. In the Christian faith there is only one. Love. It is divided into 2 parts. Love God and love the neighbor as the self. Even if both religions are not true, what could be so bad about believing in it? Killing people who works of the Sabbath or on a Sunday or just plainly causing harm is in contradiction to what their religion is really all about. One would not need religion to have atrocious behavior.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 I agree that you do not need religion to commit atrocities, but religion evolves, new religions are made based on others, they pull from one another. Religion including the afterlife just means that some deluded idiot will convince himself and possibly others that the world is coming to an end, the only way to heaven is to have faith and kill yourself, or that God wants him and his followers to kill another race or group of people because they are of the devil.
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 killing in the name of god/religion is the most powerful of them all. It means you are confident that you have a place in heaven already, and that whomever you are killing, you have divine warrant and duty to do so. It makes it that much eviler.
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@iliveon Sorry i made an error there. Judaism has 10 commandments that were expanded to multiple laws. The Christian faith acknowledges 10 subdivided into two summarized into one. Love.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 yes, I like that part.
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@iliveon Re cops and robbers.
In many parts of the world, criminals could no longer be executed. A long struggle between the good influencing the bad.
If one could argue that religion kills or has caused so much wars and sufferings, one also argues that being an agnostic or an atheist is not a guarantee to good behavior.
To the contrary, it is always better to believe in something good (higher than the self) if that could be a guideline to conduct the self better towards society at large.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 To the contrary, it is always better to believe in something good (higher than the self) if that could be a guideline to conduct the self better towards society at large.
If one looks at the global peace index, it confirms that more secular nations with more atheists are more ethical and more more than those with religion. And yes that includes the Christian nations. In no way is it the case that it is "always better' to believe in something higher than one's self
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 is it always better to believe in something good, OF COURSE it is... higher? no, of course not, that is disproven by world statistics global peace index. Look it up
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 do you believe in a metaphorical god representing all that is good, and a metaphorical devil?
iliveon 2 weeks ago
@iliveon Since you believe in evil, you must also believe in the good. That is religion enough.
If you layer it you will arrive at absolute evil and absolute good. There is nothing wrong that I see in people knowing good and evil and trying to live out for one while avoiding the other. That is the only way that civilization, progress and realization of the self is arrived at. In most civilizations, the other is represented by the Devil the other is by absolute goodness called a God.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@iliveon To say that atheists are psychologically damaged is a particularization that applies to a general.
If no one is psychologically perfect, everyone is psychologically damaged by some degree or the other. Psychological damage is not brought about only by particular beliefs, it could also be caused by orientation to life, rejection, training, social circumstances, finances etc. Only the belief in goodness will enable it to somehow get back to an order of things that are acceptable.
fernandezramon21 2 weeks ago
@iliveon The 144,000 is a representative number meaning completion or wholeness i.e. 12 apostles, 12 months in a year, 12 tribes of Israel etc as in 12x12=144. It is like saying forgive your enemies 70 x 7 which means always.
fernandezramon21 3 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 complete rationalization. And you know it
iliveon 3 weeks ago
Only brainwashed hicks support the terrorist state of Israel.
hardstyle905 1 month ago
dont get confused with the name of this country ....name Palestine is not the same as "Palestinians"...read books before claiming your opinion
slivochnii 1 month ago
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i really just hate maher..like...fuck he pisses me off
GetBigProductions1 1 month ago
Unconditional support for Israel by Evangelical Christians is rooted in Protestantism's historical tendency to Judaize when interpreting the Bible and in politics.
fx2py 1 month ago
but there will be no more holy spirit which is that little voice in the back of your head known as your conscious, so bill when your trapped here on earth with the devil himself i bet the first thing you'll scream is "oh god help me!". so do us christians and religous people a favor stop perverting what where doing in the churches and go back to your cult know as the free masons or better know as the ILLUMINATI.....and bill ill pray for your over insecure political ass.
thecoming97 2 months ago
oh silly bill, if god isnt real then why is our country founded on it. "in god we trust". if it isnt real then why does 80% of the world belive in god? and when the end time happens "the rapture" what will happen is this, jesus will take all faithfull beleivers to heaven then all the others will live on planet earth for another 7 years while the earth is ruled by the devil himself....BUT this is not the end for whoever is still on earth they can still be saved and go to heaven.
thecoming97 2 months ago
Bill is as ignorant as most people about the book of the Revelation. The book is not true but, in this book, it is the Jews who are being persecuted and who are rescued from annihilation by Jesus. Christians and non-Christians who think that Jesus comes to kill Jews have missed the point of the ending.
BraidedLily 2 months ago
Enlighten this dumb black bitch
kaziabir1 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder SOME Nazi policies were left wing, but not the famous, jew-killing and military ones. Ever hear of the night of long knives? Hitler killed all the socialist, left-wingers in his party.
Zedong and Castro were terrible left-wingers:they stole from their countries and killed the innocent,
Stalin and Mussolini were insane, and there are plenty of right-wing crazy-power hungry leaders throught history
also of course Marx was lefty--thats like saying KFC do chicken, pretty obvious
5oodings 2 months ago
@5oodings, Nazis stands for "National Socialists". The wanted complete control over the economy, and the ability to regulate everything.
That doesn't fit with any modern day right wing ideaology I know (apart from some of GWB's policies), but it does with many left wing groups.
They want complete control over healthcare, the banks, manufacturing, transport etc. A few in today's Democratic party are openly Marxist, same goes for many left wing parties in Europe.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ you literally have no idea what you are talking about. liberals don't want "control" over healthcare, they want it accessible to everyone, they don't want "control" over the banks, they want regulations that keep consumers being legally ripped off, liberals don't want "control" over manufacturing, they want labor and the environment to be protected from corporate abuse... if you want to talk about control freaks, you are projecting idiot, it's a conservative thing.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube, senior democrats have openly said they want a single payer health system, and that the public option will only be a transition to it.
The bank bailouts included control mechanisms that were forced on all major banks, even those who did not require a bailout.
Cap n Trade will mean all industry will need supervision on all their activities.
The issue is always control, and it's always presented in the name of fairness. Not only Democrats, this goes back a very long time.
LibertyDownUnder 1 month ago
Yes, Bill, Joe "The Plumber" is a representative of the conservative/Christian nation. The problem is that you get a lot of foolish and silly people placed into these lofty positions of media exposure because they are perceived as being interesting. How often do you hear someone intelligent from the general public (on any side) on television with that much exposure? Even on NPR, they interviewed people from those sit-ins and most of them sounded like they had absolutely idea what they wanted.
PhilWithCoffee 2 months ago
BIll Maher is a hateful dick:but there are sometimes i have to agree with the little (this isn't one of them)prick.
sinner12887 2 months ago
@sinner12887 do u dislike logic
ChrisAtWar93 2 months ago
@ChrisAtWar93 Go fuck yourself!
sinner12887 2 months ago
@sinner12887 Truth hurts then
n0manland 2 months ago
@n0manland No Its just your such a cold heart dickhead I could think of any other word tell you how I felt.
sinner12887 2 months ago
I want Bill to never stop what he's doing and for all unsure christians (wich I think is a lot) to come out and at least declare themselves agnostic. Being agnostic is silly but at least saying I don't know is honest. Then we can become a nation where being athiest isn't bazaar. This country is ran by wack jobs who want to deny change. "Change is the only constant we know". Today we have Science and Bioligy so we know why the sun rises and sets, we know why the tides go in and out.
FreeMindedAthiest 2 months ago
The lady in the middle said the most thoughtful thing about what other types of Christians believe.
I'm a Christian and I know that murder is wrong no matter who does it. Killing innocent women and children is wrong. Stealing is wrong and just to be honest, Suicide is wrong too. All the Palestinians want is their land back. WTF do you think their fighting for? For fun? Noooooooo.
Imagine if it were you. Unthinkable Right. Long Live Palestine! Long Live Gaza!
Kharleyable 2 months ago
In Genesis God told Abraham that through him all the nations of the world be blest. This promise was fulfilled when Jesus (a Jew) came to die for the sins of mankind. This is why Christians love the Jews. It was through them that God revealed his word and sent us the Messiah. The Bible does not prophesy, as Bill Maher says, that Jesus will come back to kill the Jews. Rather that at the end of time the entire world will turn on Israel and that Jesus will come back to save them from their enemies.
gtrjag28 2 months ago
@gtrjag28 I was agreeing with you until you gto to the part about we would turning on Israel. What do you expect? I don't agree with murder, military oppression, segreation, confinement, illegal imprisonment of innocent people. I don't agree with systematic genocide. I want to live too. I want to be free to watch my children grow.
I'm not turning against the Jews, I am against the Zionist movement, because the real Jews Orthodox Rabbi's agree with me.
Kharleyable 2 months ago
What a load of bullshit. Right wingers don't care if you're the aggressor or what your religion is. They will sell weapons to their declared enemies and anyone else who is willing to pay. Money is the only thing that matters to them. To be honest though, this applies to both sides of the spectrum. The right wing is just more open about since their voters have even less integrity than the others.
damadman228 2 months ago
Actually conservatives tend to support the cause that they believe is just. Israel is the only democracy in the region. Christians do not teach or believe that when Christ returns He will kill the Jews. He is returning to save Israel from her enemies among other things. I like Bill but he is totally out to lunch in this regard.
grfield1 2 months ago
conservative girls are hot... i wonder why..money?
boss180888 3 months ago
Three years old and still gets a belly laugh out of me. Bill, you are just too damn funny.
TheGrannyjill 3 months ago
America cannot solve the stupid arguments between silly factions of vicious Levantine idiots. America needs to get out of the Middle East... our meddling there has caused one violent faction to bring down the Twin Towers. Let those fools over there fight among themselves...
BroadwayJosh 3 months ago
.. or they just have no fear of Jews and lots of fear of Islam?
CookieWalka 3 months ago
bill maher is an idiot working for jews
and any1 who watches him is even fuckin dumber for blindly believin
Christians want to protect israel because thats where the end of days will happen???
THATS JUST STUPID AS SHIT
has he ever considered that that is the only free place without terrorists in the middle east and if they fall we have no1 to help us out in an entire region of the planet when they attempt to attack us because we have freedom of religion
FUCK BILL MAHER AND HIS SUPPORTERS
Fubzilla 3 months ago
@Fubzilla Fuck religion it's supporters, they retard the human race.
nhbiker1961 3 months ago
@nhbiker1961 lol u completely miss the point you stooopid
the US was attacked on 9/11 because it has freedom of religion, by religious lunatics.
so go tell that to the pedophile muhammad, not to me
Fubzilla 3 months ago
@Fubzilla Well to me one delusion is just as bad as another.
nhbiker1961 3 months ago
Jesus "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
2 Corinthians: v 13 - 15
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workman, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. "
Mohammed was claimed he was talking 2 God, where in fact he was talking to Satan.
newstartforme1 3 months ago
@newstartforme1
watch "Lamp In The Dark:Untold History of the Bible" n see how bible corrupted by roman empire,
watch "DEAD SEA SCROLLS PART 4"
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey Now its corrupted? lol The only thing that the Romans changed in the bible is blaming the Jews for Jesus death when in fact it was them who murdered him, the rest is true.
newstartforme1 3 months ago
@newstartforme1 Debating fairy tales doesn't make them true. There are no invisible beings in the sky no matter how many bronze age goat herders said there was. This is the 21st century, try dealing with reality.
nhbiker1961 3 months ago
@nhbiker1961 LOL I studied 3 religions mate but I never said I believe in any of it.
newstartforme1 3 months ago
@nhbiker1961 Listen for me religion is just History but I found it interesting. Unless I see this invisible man in the sky im still an atheist.
newstartforme1 3 months ago
@newstartforme1 My apologies, I clicked on the wrong reply link, it was not meant for you.
nhbiker1961 3 months ago
@nhbiker1961 No probs mate, have a nice weekend : )
newstartforme1 3 months ago
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@newstartforme1
wow, new fact or new lie?
Romans changed in the bible is blaming the Jews for Jesus death when in fact it was them who murdered him,, ??????
LOL
arzermey 3 months ago
@arzermey Jerusalem wasnt given to the Jews, the JEWS BUILT JERUSALEM. They were told to dwell the earth and return back to the land b4 the massiah arrives (it says so in bible & the fake quran) Jesus is a Jew, he was born in Judea and his first followers were his ppl (the Jews). But what I found most interesting is that Jesus said that the next man who would claim to be sent from God (Prophet) would be actually sent from Satan, and that person he was referring too was mohammed
newstartforme1 3 months ago
@newstartforme1
JEWS BUILT JERUSALEM
this is arrogant statement, those prophets follow Allah command from revelation, those prophet who bring jew ppls to juruselem, jews ppl who made them been self eviction for what they had done,
"Jesus said that the next man who would claim to be sent from God (Prophet)"would be actually sent from Satan, and that person he was referring too was mohammed
show me that verse
and i heard that jesus said it is AMONG their OWN ppl who will corrupting the bible,
arzermey 3 months ago
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newstartforme1 3 months ago
Your religion... ALL OF THEM mean nothing to us. The silent majority of rational thinkers is waking up and moving away from these fairy tales.
rugbysam 3 months ago
The Quran calls it Israel
The bible calls it Israel
The New Testament calls it Israel
BUT RADICAL MUSLIMS LIE AND CALL IT "PALESTINE"
newstartforme1 3 months ago
@newstartforme1
holy land jurruselem once been given to israel, but after they change the word of Allah(god) in the book, then Allah damn all this greedy jew. jurruselem was attacked n destroyed and those jews became a slave by other empire.then jews ppl was promised to be send another messenger, he was jesus, but jews ppl dont believe in jesus,they claim jesus as a bastard(born without father).they tried to kill jesus in order to proof jesus is a messenger but jesus was not die at the cross,
arzermey 3 months ago
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newstartforme1 3 months ago
@arzermey Well of course, it wasnt even called Jerusalem till the Jews immigrated and built the city.
As Jesus said there would be many false prophets. Revelation 9 describes Islam and verse eleven says their leader is "Destroyer" prophets. "They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
newstartforme1 3 months ago
@newstartforme1 quran calls it palestine i think,radical zionists call it israel,who cares if u r gods chosen people,just dont steal someone else land.
kshhashim 1 month ago
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@kshhashim "who cares if u r gods chosen people,just dont steal someone else land."
That's what the Arabs tried to do when they went to war against the Jews. They are now paying the price of losing a war. No sane person can blame the Jews for insisting on stable, defendable borders or kicking the Arabs out of the area. It's the only way they could avoid further terrorist activity.
The Jews who established Israel after the British mandate expired had bought their land.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@kshhashim The establishment of Israel in no way, shape or form, required expelling anyone. That only became a necessity after the Arabs had declared their hostile intent.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@kshhashim The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a story of immigration tensions, which are found everywhere, run amok, which is not found everywhere. The reason they have run amok is largely because of Islam giving the Arabs supremacist ideas and especially a right to rule over the Jews and Christians. That is also the reason there was a clear need for a Jewish state where they could rule themselves without being oppressed by muslim religious laws when the British mandate expired.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@kshhashim WTF Are you on about?? The quran doesnt mention "Palestine" EVEN ONCE, only Israel!
newstartforme1 1 month ago
@newstartforme1 the quran says sons of israel not israel and actually we muslims believe that the jews were expelled from the lands even some jews(rabbis) agree with us
bash715 3 weeks ago
@bash715 Some rabbis? LOL All rabbis would agree with that, because its true. The Romans kicked out the Jews but many came back stright away and some waited for the massiah or the end of days."And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]the Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to Israel before the Last Judgment.
newstartforme1 3 weeks ago
@newstartforme1 May i add that a prophecy in the bible (by Jesus Christ) also mentioned that the judgement is already close at hand, even at the very door, when the fig tree starts shooting new sprouts. In eschatology the fig tree represents Israel. It is also widely accepted that this happened in 1948.
fernandezramon21 3 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 I know darling : ). Scary.
newstartforme1 3 weeks ago
@newstartforme1 do u know what the verse means??
it talks to the son of israel after pharon death that live in the land (al shaam and egypt) but when it says gather you it talks about the judgement day(after life) the most muslims shieks agree with this meaning
bash715 3 weeks ago
@newstartforme1 where does the messiah(jewish one) will come(which place) ??
are jews gonna take the promised land( from the forat river to the nile)???
bash715 3 weeks ago
@bash715 I was told that he will come from out side of Israel whatever that means. And for your second question I dont think so. It says that the massiah would come to save the Israelites and nothing else.
newstartforme1 3 weeks ago
@newstartforme1 If you feel that you are already entitled to exclusive salvation, that is your position and it is respected but at least be magnanimous and treat people with respect befitting someone who is bound for a better afterlife. You do not call people as "nothing else". "No one else" is civil enough.
fernandezramon21 3 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 Darling I was only saying what I know. I was told that the good ppl would live and the bad would die no matter what religion they are. And the massiah would be an outsider, some say that he wont be Jewish some say he will but from another country and some say it's Jesus and he will come from the sky. I aint sure myself.
newstartforme1 3 weeks ago
@fernandezramon21 Nothing else was in responds to that question---
----"are jews gonna take the promised land( from the forat river to the nile"?
The bible doesnt say anything about that as far as I know.
newstartforme1 3 weeks ago
Israeli achiements, the 100th smallest country in the world with less than 1000th the worlds population; Israeli and Jewish Nobel Prize winners; Chemistry 20% of world total, economics 42% of world total, physiology and medicine 28% of world total, physics, 26% of world total, literature 12% of world total. Highest percentage per capita of PC's, 2nd highest producer of new books, most museums per capita, 24% workforce hold degrees and 12% hold advanced degrees ie the highest ratio in the world.
ritchloui 3 months ago
Christian right is neither Christian nor right
n0manland 3 months ago
@n0manland
Its a political orientation. They believe in the prosperity gospel and literal understanding of the Bible. Kinda like saying killing a person by accident is as bad as a planned assassination. Jesus preached love and the obedience to the spirit of the Law. An example is homosexuality. The Bible says it is wrong somewhere in Leviticus but the idea is giving in to ones carnal nature is wrong. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
arugono 3 months ago
@arugono : Eastern euro jews are not Israelites who were not the original inhabitants of Canaan- the Palestinian parent tree is Canaan
n0manland 3 months ago
Every one should pray for people of Israel and bless them that way that God would bless every one.
TheLahna87 3 months ago
@TheLahna87 : This "israel" was not sanctioned by God. Besides "israel" is not a place. You are seriously messed up in the head.
n0manland 3 months ago
@n0manland I didn't say that Israel is the place, I meant the people. citizen of Israel are Israel. And they truelly are sanctioned by God. You should read the bible so you would agree with me.
TheLahna87 3 months ago
@TheLahna87 : You sound backward and retarded. Palestine is the place, Israel is the squatter camp that occupies it. Now which part of the Bible says all those who call themselves "jews" can squat in Palestine and genocide the natives? Look forward to hearing from ya and dragging you some more.
n0manland 3 months ago
@n0manland
The Old Testament mostly where the Jews get dragged out of the place twice and God brings them back.
Palestine/Israel was originally the homeland of the Israelites. These are the ancestors of the modern Jews. The Philistines and Assyrians came to Palestine dragged them out of the homeland, squatted on it, found Allah and now whine they have to share with the natives.
You American by any chance?
arugono 3 months ago
republicans love israel because they are not muslims
thework4444 3 months ago
fuck israel
we pay their bills and they never help us with anything
the radical muslims hate us because we defend the israel tooth and nail
almaster666 3 months ago
@almaster666 exactly.
13dachronic 3 months ago
They are all so ignorant.
Basically, in political philosophy, right-wingers support the aggressor in all situations. Left-wingers support the victim. Plain and simple. Why do you think they love the military so much? It aint about protection, it's about living their action-movie fantasy out.
WW2: Jews were victims. Right-wingers were with the Nazis. Left-wingers and intellectuals fought for the Jews.
Today: Israelis = aggressors. Right wingers love them now, now that they are the Nazis.
SuGaRuSh14 4 months ago 16
@SuGaRuSh14 you are such a retard. Jews run the country, why do you think Obama is against a Palestinian state through the UN? You left-wingers side so much with the victims you supported the ''oppressed'' jews which were murdering palestinians after WW2. Idiot.
TheMarksmenCat 3 months ago
@SuGaRuSh14 - thank you for clearly outlining
what most still don't realize yet!
Wake up folks!
808gv 2 months ago
@SuGaRuSh14 You're really clueless about actual history. That's what public education will get you. An altered reality. If you're interested, the correct information is actually out there, but it will take some work on your part to find it, since the liberal left has done so much to cover up the reality of history. Do your homework and educate yourself before you spout off about something you obviously know nothing about.
CaraGia13 2 months ago
Respond to this video... Bill Maher cares nothing for actual truth and fact, simply for ratings. Anyone interested in truth would do their homework instead of believing the popular idiocy spouted out these days. Obviously, it's more popular to tout the party line, so that's what most of these talking heads do.
CaraGia13 2 months ago
@SuGaRuSh14 Republicans are dicks,but there not that evil.But about Isral.There geting fucked right they do what they have to survive(personal I hope one day there will be peace) .
sinner12887 2 months ago
@SuGaRuSh14, the Nazis were actually left wing.
So was Mussolini, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Mao Zedung, Karl Marx, Josef Stalin, and the list goes on.
All humanity's problems start off with 'good will', and very quickly detiriorate in an all powerful state controlled society.
Today's left (and some of the right) advocates more and more state control, all in the name of the 'public good' with complete disregard to what it has led to in the past.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder Sounds like your under the spell of Glenn Beck.
ensilver1 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ and nazi's were not left wing you brain dead glenn beck puppet, nazi's killed leftists in germany, they murdered communists and socialists, they murdered jews, gays, intellectuals, artists, professors, and they murdered anyone who helped anyone they opposed. which was anyone who advocated democracy for all. any 10 year old with a half way descent education knows this. you are the most ignorant person i have come across in some time. and that is saying something!
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube, the Nazis (AKA National SOCIALISTS) took control of most of the economy & the healthcare system (like the left is doing now), dictated to the media what to say (like the left is trying to do now), abolished religious teachings (like the left is trying to do now), silenced opposing opinions by force (like the left is doing now, see "Gibson Guitars CEO").
Today's right wing wants the exact opposite of all of the above, especially the so called 'far right' like Ron Paul.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder The Gibson Guitar ceo stole the wood he used
If you break the law you have to expect to the punished
You might think he has a right to take advantage of other countries illegal logging businesses, but he broke other countries laws and deserved what he got
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn, strange that he was picked on for such an obscure cause, and his competitor was doing the same thing without any objection from the DOJ.
Besides, is that all you could pick from what I listed?
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder His competitor was doing the same? According to who? Do you have evidence? Or just the voices in your head.
Do you really think he should get away with that kind of theft?
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn, their competitors are "C.F. Martin & Company", their CEO is known to have contributed to Democrat candidates.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@Libert Yes and Gibson is known to have stolen wood from other countries
If I stole your car, took it to a chop shop and resold it would you want me arrested or would I be allowed to use the capitalism defense to justify what I did?
Well of course I'm a liberal, let's change things
Let's say a republican businessman had your car stolen, took it to a chop shop then found a customer who bought your car from him
Would that be alright? You'd be hurting a republican business if you arrested him!
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn, who said he stole it? Where did you hear this?
And since when does the justice department raid businesses for such small infringements?
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder He broke other countries laws to steal their natural resources what other agency should go after him?
They have evidence that he had the resources stolen, so what agency would you expect to go after him? Hint the answer starts with a J
Like I asked, if a conservative paid to have your car stolen would you want them to go unpunished just because he runs a conservative business
dffykvn 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ the nazi's called themselves "socialists", but everything you mentioned they did are fascist ideas. the democratic left as i said are not taking over anything, that's just pseudo nonsense swirling inside your head. the nazi's as i said murdered "socialists", the nazi's mirror the ideals of the american right, nationalism, race superiority and xenophobia, the demonizing of intellectuals, i.e. the science of global warming and evolution, etc. your whole argument is nonsense.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube, Fascism is a natural evolution of Socialism all these 'good will' programs.
Eventually those who are in charge of deciding what is 'fair', gain so much power that the idea of 'equality' becomes a threat to them.
If you have not read George Orwell's "Animal Farm", you can watch the animated version of it here:
/watch?v=AtbksuYAZNI (add youtube.com before that address)
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder Did you know that orwell was a socialist?
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn, he advocated a fee form of it, not the forceful implementation that Obama is pushing.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder What are you talking about
Who advocated a fee form, and implementation of what?
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn, I'm not gonna go around in circles here.
Whatever you want to call it, a centrally controlled economy is what Obama is pushing for. Same as every tyrant in history it is done in the name of the "public good".
Bush did the same out of stupidity, Obama is continuing his falied policies.
Animal Farm simply demonstrated how "good will" is quickly hijacked and abused by the power hungry. Take from it what you will.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder You're delusional, Obama should have nationalized and crushed the too big to fail banks so they wouldn't be TBTF
He should've made the owners and stockholders take hits as well as not pay 100% of the outstanding debt
He took bushes policies and ran with them
Obama is anything but a liberal and I wouldn't be caught dead defending him (other than from the "zomg black people! MOOZLIMZ!!!!" nonsense)
dffykvn 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ i am familiar with animal farm, a fable that easily applies to a vague capitalism as it does a vague communism. what you fail to comprehend is "capitalism" is not democracy, capitalism is not in the constitution, capitalism without regulations and equitable taxes - which pay for social programs that benefit society - is just a pyramid scheme run by oligarchs. america is a socialist by the virtue of our bill of rights, anyone who tells you otherwise is sorely misinformed.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube But wrong paul decided to monopolize liberty! :P
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn ~ lol, "wrong paul", do i owe you royalties by using that one?
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube No, but if you use my "wRONg Paul" I will sue your ass into the ground!
dffykvn 2 months ago
@tomitstube, if you're referring to the modern, broken form of Crony Capitalism, then I'll have to agree with you.
But the original definition is of a free market, and private ownership of the means of production.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ the so-called "free" market gave us slavery, child labor, sweat shops, and poverty wages, it was the federal government by protecting civil rights that ended those barbaric practices. it's all crony capitalism, republicans since ronald reagan have been filling regulatory agencies like the epa and dept of labor with the very people they are supposed to be protecting us from. bp, massey energy, the koch brothers, etc. that is the very definition of "crony capitalism".
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube Wait until an asshole like romanmir comes on
Romanmir loves to defend the indefensible like pollution, sweat shops, dangerous workplaces, child labor and hates "anti capitalist things" like worker protection, environmental protection, the minimum wage
He also defends starvation wages, children working with toxic chemicals
These libertarian capitalists are fucking evil people with horrific ideas
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn ~ sounds like a guy i used to get into it with, his (or her) name was luvcheney i think, same thing, he equated child labor to taking your kid to work, kind of in the vein of glenn beck equating "empathy" to hitler genocide. search engine "lewis black on glenn beck" if you haven't seen it, it's a back in black segment from the daily show.
i've noticed a real push for wrong paul lately, i think the neo-cons are trying to repackage the tea bags, they're trying to muscle in on ows.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube Those assholes are trying to make advocating for segregation acceptable
I hate ron paul and his cultists, they are going to take america back to the golden age of america...the 1950s...no not the good side with upwardly mobile income, but the dark side with all of the jingoistic capitalism, racism, homophobia and segregation
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn ~ you're right, i hate libertarians even more than republicans, at least with republicans they know they're sociopaths, racists, and greedy lying cheats who would do anything for a buck. libertarians try to come off as egalitarian but pretty much have the same ideology. to understand ron paul you only have to look at his boy rand, defending massive polluters, racism, corporate greed, and believing the government makes them bad... libertarians like the kochs are more dangerous.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube You could take one of hitlers social darwinist speeches, synch it to rand or wrongs lip flaps and it would sound exactly like something he'd say
dffykvn 2 months ago
@tomitstube, the free market freed us from slavery. Slavery existed a long time before free markets.
I don't have any problem with sweathshops, child labor or poverty wages. I started working when I was 10 and it worked out fine for me. Kids on farms work from a very young age, and are happy to do so.
Yes, Republicans have been doing the wrong thing for decades. This is not a problem with 1 party only.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ slavery is the free market. besides prostitution, it's the oldest free market job in the world, it's advocated in the bible.
"i don't have problems with sweatshops". well there you go, you're a sociopath. or social conservative, keeping others down to stay in power, yet you tout the beneficence of a "free" market"? slave owners fought for the same "free" market ideals. in that i mean you think freedom (or people) is something to sell on wall street.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube, the so called "sweathshops" got China out of poverty while Africa stayed in it for 40 years.
If you can find a better way for a poor country to get out of poverty without using mass production, please let me know.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ sweatshops is getting people out of poverty? it's the definition of forced poverty you idiot, barely above slavery. people in sweatshops are dirt poor and exploited whether it's china or africa or america. gawd you're stupid. you need to put in a sweatshop.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube, people START OFF in swaethshops, then save some money and move up.
The people who choose to work there, are leaving back breaking work in agriculture, or prostitution & dealing drugs.
Again, If you have a better way to get a whole nation out of poverty - lets hear it.
LibertyDownUnder 2 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder ~ "people start off in sweatshops, then save some money and move up". you really are clueless aren't you? you don't "save money" on extreme poverty wages. what an idiot thinking you can save for something when you can barely feed yourself.
tomitstube 2 months ago