Front 242 - Controversy Between

[lubrojo]

Thx a lot I'm Belgian and proud so many like it, it is really nice to see how man people like this innovating music

[MrGrinetwork]

Yessss! 4 ever !

[uberalles2]

Cool video. I partied with them and the owner of WaxTrax! Jim Nash.

[Theeternalcure]

Não tem como não gostar dessa Grande Banda !!!

[g1a1h1]

This is one of the best trax in the last twenty five years

[fenni70]

The EBM-fathers … And one of their sons still listening to them! ;-) Brilliant and so unique.

[deadanna]

Just brilliant.

[tie32101]

Amazing to actually see Daniel on stage

[MagnitudePerson]

First-EBM the best EBM out there.

[PeeyanoKeys]

this is what would have happened if ian curtis decided not to put stroszek on the tv that night

[Neptun1971]

My little brother were a big fan of them in his young age, where i did not like them at all, and i still do not like them because of their name, when i do not like when a bands name has a number in it, but it seems to me that this is some of their best songs they have were made so far.

[KANTonOFF]

Post-Kraftwerk

[deliaslamp]

My grandad loves this band! I gave him the greatest hits for his birthday. He really likes it.

[yuripretti]

@deliaslamp

I'm gettin old

[yuripretti]

Responder a este vídeo... I'm gettin old

[AndyLeedham]

Fuckin' techno rock at its best.

[samfrompasingtime]

This is really cool. They never stopped progressing and even today have time where they are at the forefront.

Sam

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[fishbone342]

Back in the days when music ment something

[dzedajusr]

i lold when they started fighting and you could still hear drums even if drummer wasnt there :D

[das81]

It's almost sounds like a mix bewteen french coldwave and english industrial rock... think Clock DVA.

[sizone]

@das81 clockDVA was later.

[das81]

@sizone no, Clock DVA was earlier.

[babyford7]

@sizone - Clock DVA was earlier.

[das81]

At this moment iit sounds almost like DAF, but of course a time later they found their own sound.

[737sunset]

Front 242. One of the best bands of all time. Relatively unknown. The pinnacle of 80s music and my youth. Talent. Superior to modern day "noise". Thank You Front 242!!!

[niswel]

sometimes it feels that no new music is needed...

[TheLonnie8]

atzenanu is right the shit thats out today you got to be kidding Justin Bieber un real at least 242 had no one to copy they created thats cool...

[d41k4n]

One of the rare videos where you can actually see Daniel Bressanutti (the mastermind behind the band). Awesome!

[belpop16]

super music and they have a good taste of clothing, i want those shirts xO

[caspitademexicali]

chingon mi best band (industrial) saludos de mexicali ,mexico a todos los latinos que escuchan industrial :)

[futuristlimited]

true fucking genius

[djmusicjac]

very weird, thank you front 42 for your weird tunes, there is too much commercialism where tunes sound same, but front 42 we are gonna get weird and interesting

[mrtvi46]

This is the Ian Curtis-moment of Jean-Luc. Dance, haircut and voice ;)

[LOLONO666]

would love to dance like this guy

[nasalflute]

Controversy is great! lol

[loloxcan]

I love this theme, always front, death regeaton

[divaxdeath]

Muy buen video y los que se aburrieron que mejor escuchen salsas, cumbias y banda.

[sucko1979]

me aburroooooooooooo

[jdallinder]

This is the shit.

[DerangedInsanity69]

Awesome clip - love the bit at the end wrestling each other - class!

[junkyturd]

Love the dance!

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

TechnoViking was a youngster at this stage and he learned to dance from the best.

[UMENMDFMK]

Revenge must be cold.

[irenewien]

sowas von cool!!! bin so happy das video dazu sehen zu dürfen!!!! platten hab ich ja daheim, zum glück!!

[fishbone342]

I dance like that somtimes but my doctor says he can sort it

[PappaGunscho]

@fishbone342 hahahahah!

[Rane909]

@fishbone342 LMFAO!!! i was just gonna say, thats really awkward

[therealaexion]

Fucking epic!

[funnyhellmeri]

I luv u guys!! you re make the EBM!!! Electronic body music mother f uckers!!! :=

[DepressiveMindsband]

Yes!!! the masters!!

[Capcanister]

This is what music sounds like

[Pfoulalah]

Early records are the best records, like for TNJ or CV. This electronic sound has no competition left...

[lepumpernic1]

JEAN LUC = IAN CURTIS

[Hertje73]

@lepumpernic1 who is ian curtis?

[lepumpernic1]

@Hertje73 joy division singer.

[excel20078]

I gew up with these guys and I still have siezures like he does when I hear this music. Nothing like this exists today and posers like cut copy only hope to be as revolutionary. BTW the drummer in this vid is into fat chicks...see tragedy for you video.

[stigmartyranny]

reminds me of ian curtiis.

[mdevries3639]

Not only is this awkward, it's also so long.

[excel20078]

@mdevries3639 reminds me of the time I had sex with your mom.

[TheEddwina]

id lend my holes to jean-luc any day,x

[fstop77]

This is cool. Never seen this 242 early performance. What is it from?

[gothicangelred]

I am sharing because we are human. ,this perfomance is one of a kind. ty for posting.I loveu and Front242 .

[lastfairytale]

Ohh, and they don't even wear glasses, this much be a rare and quite early clip :)

[didytom]

The fight at the end is a nice touch.

[Badergader]

that dude knows how to dance!

[Aelkamal]

@Badergaders was this sarcasm ?

[MagnitudePerson]

BTW this sounds and looks like Throbbing Gristle, lol.

Chris Carter and "Convincing People" anyone? Convincing People is probably the biggest influenced song in Industrial Electro espeically. Anywas its weired that this is so TG-Duplicate-ish

[t1201971]

Damn son, you went a little crazy with the replies didn't you?

[MagnitudePerson]

Lol yeh.. but this stuff remnidsm ovf the early TG-Carbaret Voltaire-SPK-Front 242 sounding idustrial days, it deserves billion replies

[MagnitudePerson]

@yesterdaysshadow Nice spotted.

[MagnitudePerson]

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

[brianobush]

The album is "Back Catalogue"

Awesome album btw.

[lolik66666]

guitar? lol

[DOKTOR242]

It has been so long ................

[MagnitudePerson]

@DOKTOR242 REALLY LONG...

[armiovmi]

Just crying... This is so awesome! I always loved this song.

[aleksidyll]

Best F242 clip here on youtube, thank you for uploading!

[n3tkUt]

Wow, thanks for uploading csabex. I've never seen video of them so young.

What year is this? 1984 maybe? Is it out on DVD?

[klarazg]

perfect

thanks :)

[RavenousNow]

Even a guitar... :-)

[creuber]

Super!

[brealistic1970]

mainline enigma virtual height of fortitude.

[INM0R4L]

Hahahaha you dare to compare a gansta wannabe who plays sissy music full of crappy 90's eurodance commercial sounds, that will only last 2 weeks in the stereo of all commercial shit buyers with a 1982 FRONT 242 song? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You beter go to do your homework and maybe will learn something useful

[shadowkunt]

It was a joke tard. Take your finger out of your ass.

[INM0R4L]

xD Don't ask the others do what you usually do. It's your problem, that doesn't mean the rest do the same.

So like I said, go run mom and ask to help you do the homework

[derpestarzt]

da epileptic boy is HOT.

[joergschanz]

Ian Curtis läßt grüßen...;-)

[gadhaffi]

very understandble...is that actually a word, and if: is it spelled correct?

[rivalviral]

understandable : )

[chinard]

Holy crap!!!

I've been listening to 242 since '87 and I never noticed the joy division similarities before on their older stuff until i actually saw the video for this song.

Jeez he even kinda looks a bit like Ian Curtis in this vid!

Awesome find!

[Math3w0023]

jojooooo i love front 242  L)

[IvyMike777]

Great stuff! Mind blowing live act.

[das242]

THE TIME HAS COME!!long live EBM!!

[dddux]

Joy Division meets Kraftwerk :). Love Front 242. Just great. Electro music plus great lyrics.

Cheers!

[hatemixer]

its me or this song is kinda creepy?

[shadowkunt]

great!

[AORCrazy]

This song is AWESOME!!!

[BoingBoomTCHACK]

I love how he moshed the drummer a couple times during the song.

[brianobush]

This song is one of my favorites. I love seeing them in this manner - experimenting with sounds, new dance moves and being human at the same time. True pioneers!

[floydiology]

Classique!

[jangenk]

Sounds great still nowadays. I hear influences of Joy Division, Fad Gadget and (early!) Depeche Mode.

[vodka667]

Great dance moves!!! or does he have an inner ear infection?

[skrapyard444]

he cant help it hes european...hee hee

[hojo88]

european have culture and we can dance, you have mc donalds and and a high bmi, so amerifaqs should try dancin like this

[aramchek]

I do see a lot of ignorance as something thats more than a bit european..although we get accused of it more here.

 You're an idiot if you buy in to those stereotypes.

[shadowkunt]

do you read your own comments after you post them? this comment is a total pain in the ass to make sense of. rewrite it!

[aramchek]

I wouldn't expect someone calling themselves "shadowkunt" to be able to understand plain english.

[shadowkunt]

and why is that?

[johnneedslove]

good morning

[Jexka007]

I'm going back to Halls! in the 80s in Austin, Texas!

[TexasLibra]

Interesting to see JLD:

1. With hair

2. Not wearing sunglasses

[bitepoilcouille]

les videos des premières performances live ou télé sont parfois cruelles : gestuelle pas très assurée, look approximatif... voire aussi Dave Gahan avec sa ptit chemise à carreaux de 80/81.

;-)

en tous cas, merci à R23 pour ses commentaires (et merci à l'uploader pour le doc)

[MidnighternApollo]

thought i was listening to joy division for a second ... awesome!

[EnviousDominous]

Those lines look like they were taken from the South Korean flag.

[giuseppeuzzardi]

It's I-Ching iconography...i've posted about this in the past but here goes again! from top to bottom the 3 clusters stand for 'abysmal gorge', 'arousing shake' and 'abysmal gorge'. very cool if that is what they intended! unfortunately the 3 together have no meaning as the I-Ching only uses two clusters to glean meaning from...

[clockwork11]

Man, makes me wish I was around in my early 20s during the 1978-1983 epic in music. I'd have been in heaven in such a scene, a blend of performance art and musical creativity that's just never happened on such a large scale since. You've got experimental groups like Kraftwork, Front 242, Cure, Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, so many more...

[Arjanajanath]

I would say 1976-1982, but yes, that is IMO the best years of music ever!

PS. Kraftwerk, not kraftwork

[MagnitudePerson]

@Arjanajanath 1975's or late 74's start TBH. TG(Throbbing Gristle), Front 242, Z'EV, Carbaret Voltaire, Coil, SPK, Chris And Cosey, Wreckers Of Civilisation(though this is an early name for TG in the 60s...)

Industrial Records is the best record label EVER!!!

[vodka667]

Yes...it was really cool. I was in Chicago and grew up listening and going to see front 242, ministry, skinny puppy and other great bands. The irony is that it sounded so "futuristic" yet nobody had a cel phone, an ipod, or even a computer. So basically we were in the stone age compared to now and then this great music came along. U r right...nothing great since then.

[thedigitalcollective]

nothing good as users concern,the machines are the real stars.its the machines is why i came,the users vary. there are and have been good digital composers since front 242.change generes.i like fromt 242 ALOT but im just being correct on this issue.if youd like ill foward you some..

[MagnitudePerson]

@vodka667 Couldn't agree more. all this shit today. no good music, anbd original genresl ike Throbbing Grislte and the side projects invented, MODERN-MOZARTS!!!

[vuzh]

Awesome. 100%

[pepsicopata]

great document!!

[richard232323]

His name is Daniel B. and we've never split!

[janling242]

hab noch die original lp zu hause

echtes vinyl hrhr

[hugabugauscha]

that video is hilarious, great song, but playback fail :)

[richard232323]

This was our very first TV (Belgium) show and almost the only playback we did! After that we refused to appear on tv if, at least , the vocals would no be live!

[EugenCluster]

Great Music. I am a great Fan since 1984

[djtotmensch]

what was that t shirt you had with the lines?...

[richard232323]

242 in Corean

[milnusthegnome]

more techno and electro

[Decades34]

~Indeed~

[billyoat7]

This was a live performance, Belgium TV 1983, that caused citizens grabbing their phones shouting:

Kamikazee-pilots should not to be fronted as well as Front 242 with their wrestling masters... ;-)

The exhibition is great and well is the punk atitude?

Best Regards

[chingaaatuma]

relax Ian ! haahaha

[janochanotariusz]

heheh he looks and dance like Ian did indeed, thats true. Both genius by the way. Have a look on a drummer as he was not to good with the drums playback there

[blazing64]

brilliant, the fute in the making

[secretshine]

The time has come To stop out old affairs To know our neightbours To try to learn new ways They've gone too far Who do they think they are To treat us like they do We'll change the roles and soon Now war's declared My lord what fools we were To trust our neightbours To let them share our lives...

[steelgiant]

"Most experts will tell you that Throbbing Gristles is the best. " Well I'm expert and that is the absolute stupidest thing I ever heard.

Kraftwerk is world famous in many scenes of music. TG is not. Kraftwerk's sound design and production skills were light years ahead of TG. TG was raw and dirty. Their music sounds sounds if most it was done on the fly. Kraftwerk's music was well thought out. Their is no comparison between the two.

[atomictraveller]

it sounds on the fly.. like consciousness?? "it sounds" is hardly a logical proof of your deduction. books and covers.

one day scientists will respect the psychic instead of destroying.

there is no comparison in entirety. your comparitive envaluation is based on things you don't perceive or understand apparently.

have respect if you don't know about something. people don't just like things you don't like because they are inferior to you.

[steelgiant]

On the fly as improvised recordings done in one session. What is the rest of this gibberish you are speaking. Take one too many hits of LSD?

[t1201971]

Yeah, I agree that Kraftwerk were waaaay more influential on the music scene. Their work opened up the creative space that led to the creation of several music genres. House music partially owes its existence to the gentlemen from der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Throbbing Gristle were performance artists first, "musicians" second. I don't know if you can really compare the two, altho I'm a fan of both.

[steelgiant]

I'm a fan of both as well and I agree you can't compare the two It was this comment which I should of replied directly to that ticked me off to make my comment.

"Even though Skinny Puppy and Front 242 are my two favorite electronic groups neither is widely considered the best. But Kraftwerk is not considered the best either. Most experts will tell you that Throbbing Gristles is the best."

I love the "Most Expert" part.

[t1201971]

Right, like there's an EBM panel of experts somewhere in Belgium that meets yearly and hands down pronouncements like that from on high. I don't like counterposing groups like that either- all of them have made important contributions to the genre and any debate about relative importance is gonna be highly subjective to say the least.

[MagnitudePerson]

@t1201971 Yes, all are important for a scene, Kraftwerk didn't do it alone, there were pioneers of EDM later on, so Kraftwker didn't "invent" eelctronic dance music, but more pioneerd it

[MagnitudePerson]

@steelgiant Agree

[MagnitudePerson]

@t1201971 Kraftwerk pioneerd and probably als invented some EDM genres, but Throbbing Gristle invented Industiral and EBM, then later Front 242

Industrial isn't electronic music but experimentla music like avant-gade, post-punk, etc, but Industrial EDM(EBM) is electornic, i dontk now if Kraftwerk even knew Industrial as it was first invented by Industrial Rcords in the early 70s

[MagnitudePerson]

@steelgiant UHh no.. I agree whithu o n the Kraftwekr part but TG didn't invnetm usic on "the fly" whatever that is, i hate flies.

Anywyas TG and Kraftwerk are btoh important to eelctornic msic.

kraftwerk=EDM Throbbing Gristle=Experimental>Industria­l>EBM>Metal ,etc.

[therealhypnoskull]

why doesn't my reply to a previous comment goes where it belongs heh ? Front was and is the fucking reference.

[blacklightfreakout]

Yeah, I knew it was Iching. I think they used it also because in a weird way Iching looks like some sort of digital code due to it being consisted of straight and broken lines.

[giuseppeuzzardi]

wow, right on. totally interesting!

[giuseppeuzzardi]

It looks like their tees have 'I-Ching' iconography on them, ie Chinese fortune telling. anyone know what it stands for (my copy of the 'I-Ching' is in deep storage)?

[giuseppeuzzardi]

actually i've looked it up online. from top to bottom the 3 clusters stand for 'abysmal gorge', 'arousing shake' and 'abysmal gorge'. very cool if that is what they intended! unfortunately the 3 together have no meaning as the I-Ching only uses two clusters to glean meaning from...

[chewbacscar]

that tear up elephant noise at the end is so terrific

[Front2422]

neat

[unit335]

This is badass. No one just puts themselves *out there* like this anymore. F242 *felt* cool, acted cool...and really didn't give a fuck. Perhaps that's why they didn't mind playing music that no one had ever heard before.

[benjaws]

Jesus boys uv got to learn..

Kraftwerk is concepts..

Front goes into the flesh.

Relax and erect

[fantomas44]

You're right benjaws, kraftwerk is a concept not a band like Front 242.

[InfinityDose]

there's something so silly and ridiculous about this and their operating tracks video, but i still can't help but watch in awe

[legrandcorse]

lA BELGIQUE/ froNT / CERVEZA / FRITTES242

[ray67ray]

de donde han salido estos videos....ha salido algun material nuevo ??

[whity2xlc]

Front 242 forever, all I can say!

[vanyort]

Thank God for the 80's innovations of anti-big hair non-cheezy no-metal unshit bands like Front 242. They changed the direction of an otherwise impending marriage between shit pop and music demand.

[the1mills]

love the sounds around 2:40

[trazeebarb]

akira625 , you have analised this in a very basic way. I wouldnt call natural development, especially interesting. However if they were producing emotional synth pop music today id be a happier man. & indeed m.l. gore , from depeche mode, writes the most insightful lyrics & beautiful music ever produced.

[zachgiordano]

I agree martin gore has talent but depeche mode are not the best.I feel front 242 are good but also not the best. For electronic music the greatest is and has always been skinny puppy....

[peace0ff]

no one says "word" anymore

[peace0ff]

skinny puppy is good if you like annoying sounds.

[HarryUpHarry]

You have no musical ear if you rate any electronica above Kraftwerk

[zachgiordano]

Even though Skinny Puppy and Front 242 are my two favorite electronic groups neither is widely considered the best. But Kraftwerk is not considered the best either. Most experts will tell you that Throbbing Gristles is the best. I do not like Throbbing Gristles at all.I like one or two songs. But they are considered by experts to be the best. I have never understood the draw to them.But they are to electronic music what the Beatles are to rock 'n' roll....

[TheJediCharles]

I've learned to ignore what the masses call "best".

It's how I managed to find out about 242 in the first place.

[ne0nsurf]

tg? hahaha most people would say DEPECHE MODE! and they ARE the most deserving. they worked their asses off.

[MagnitudePerson]

@ne0nsurf TG are aweosme. DpeehceM ode is the reason we got crappy electronic pop music.

[ne0nsurf]

But I love synth-pop and so do millions of 80s fans.

[MagnitudePerson]

I lvoe some too, but ont much inot it.

Anyways; its subjective, i prefer the "Electronica and Bassline music" and you prfer synthpop, but it dosentm atter how many likes it, its good thatk raftwekr peioneerd but i dont even like regular EDM, i listen to EBM and Electronica, anyways its subjective, but averyone is important for a scene. Kraftwrk, TG, Front, Depeche mode, whatever, all influences nad pioneers somehow and only a bit pioneering is alot, especially in music, anywas its: Subjective

[therealhypnoskull]

that makes there will never be any better ? Kraftwerk are the pioneers. true. very even. but nowadays... I heard allready better :)