DEBATE: Matthew 1:21, Did Jesus Die Only for His Church or Everybody Who Ever Lived?

[spellbiff]

Doesn't that guy realize that Paul addressed many of his letters to God's Elect? Arminians also use 2 Peter 3:9 to support their view."..not wishing for any to perish".."who is the any? Well, if they look at the context in WHO that letter was written too, they will notice that it is the same recipients who recieved the FIRST letter. If you look as to who 1 Peter was written too, you will see it in the 1st verse of the 1st chapter in 1st Peter. "Those who are Chosen"..or.." those who are ELECT".

[fudgedogbannana]

Yes His people are Israel, but when Jesus spoke in parables He wasn't just keeping secrets from gentiles and heathen, He spoke in parables to His people too, only those who were given to understand were healed even among His people. The Roman Centurion who had an ill servant, the woman at the well who Jesus told that He doesnt feed dogs from the table and others understood Him more than His former towns people who rejected Him.

[fudgedogbannana]

I got another one for you. Mat. 6: 5-8 Jesus tells us exactly how and where to pray, but I've seen them standing in circles holding hand on Hollywood Blvd, on school campuses, on public streets and even on national TV praying and crying their hearts out.

[CAnswersTV]

@fudgedogbannana As one learns, studies, & understands the Bible from cover to cover one begins to see how human traditions & theologies practiced around the world conflict with the scriptural record. Since our ministry specializes in evangelism & apologetics we are used to rubbing people the wrong way. People never appreciate having their religious traditions exposed by the Biblical record & thus take their anger out on us while preferring to follow the "3 Monkey" approach to religion instead.

[fudgedogbannana]

Dudes, try MAT.13: 10-16. The disciples ask Jesus why he speaks to the masses in parables. His answer will knock you out. First he tells the disciples that they were "given" to understand ( they didnt learn it, inherit it, buy it, deserve it, earn it or study hard in school), but to masses understanding was not "given", so Jesus spoke in code so that those who didnt understand wouldn't ask him to heal them. I figured if God didnt give you the understanding then He doesn't want you.

[CAnswersTV]

@fudgedogbannana Interesting comment! Cross reference Matt 13:10-16 with Mark 4:10-12. In fact, here on Youtube, another segment of this 4 hour debate is entitled, "Mark 4:11-12, Jesus Speaks in Parables So People Will Not be Saved, Why?" (you can find it also by reviewing Youtube videos by CANSWERSTV). Heretical Arminian theology doesn't take into account that Jesus often spoke in parables so people would not understand & thus not be forgiven for their sins; it just doesn't fit their 'gospel.'

[fudgedogbannana]

@CAnswersTV Yes sir, aint that something? I dont know where some people get the idea that God loves them unconditionally just the way they are. Atheists(god haters) think that God must be a hypocrite because he saves some and not others. I dont claim to be saved, but I understand that God by his very nature will save, heal, bless whom ever he want to, He is God and I am not.

[CAnswersTV]

@fudgedogbannana Thank you for the insightful response! It's refreshing to find someone who can clearly see what is going on from an eternal perspective. It seems I must spend a lot of time battling people who want to bring God down to their level so they can control God's actions (which is a ridiculous proposition from the start) but you have precisely put your finger on the real issue, namely, God is in control of His universe & does as He wills to do (Daniel 4:35).