1.22.10 - Ma'asara Village Demonstration: Interview with Israeli Activist

[heartshapedbox05]

The ignorance and hate of some of you people is completely disheartening. As an Israeli, I love my palestinian brothers and sisters and wish to see more israelis come forward for a future palestinian state solution.

[sarigamir1]

I see you did your homework...

Unlike what is now referred to as "Palestine", Israel is a country, recognized by the UN. My ancestors who came here in 1911 bought land legally from a Syrian landlord and for 5 generations had to fight the local violent nomadic tribes, originated in Syria and Jordan - that now for some reason call themselves "Palestinians" and claim that I stole land from them..

[Dengatube]

Recognition and UN-Membership don't grant any title to territory or legitimacy of a state or regime. But the right of the legal inhabitants of a country never cease. In 1947 only a tenth of the inhabitans were Jews legally residing in Palestine. The Zionist installed a regime b< force against the will of the majority and on 80% of the territory. You may call it a military junta if you like.

And I'm NOT questitiong the title to the land Jews LEGALLY and PRIVATELY owned which was 6% in 1947.

[sarigamir1]

To get some facts right:

First of all, the demographics of Israel in 1947 were about 50-50%.

All the territory that was occupied in 1948 and 1967 was a result of wars initiated by the Arabs from within and outside Israel. These conflicts were never of any interest of the Jewish population and the fact that they won in an unexplained miracle.

This country IS a democracy and always was. for 60 years there have been attemps to resolve this conflict - always met by violence and hate.

[Dengatube]

@ sarigamir1

Only the demograhics in the territory alloted to the jews were 50:50. Only expulsion and its maintaining (segregation) grants the jews majority.

The jews started in April 48 to conquer territory allotted to the arabs and allready expelled 300000 nonjews till proclamation. The arab armies invented in accordance with the Arab Higher Committee of Palestine to prevent more conquering, massacres and expulsion.

Israel also initiated the full scale war in 67.

[shawry86]

LOOK put it this way....if sum1 whent and kicked out a tribe from the amazon...then say they were never a real people cus they didnt have a nationalist identity...is stupid...we all know the palestinian identity is a modern thing...but its something they have been forced to create because of being removed from their native land. GET IT.

[Dengatube]

Palestine belongs to all palestinians, jews and gentiles. Before 1925 they all were ottomans. In 1925 they all became palestians. 9/10 of them in 1947 were nonjews. The 1/10 of legal jews and twice as much as them living illegaly inpPalestine concoured the land by force and expelled 2/3 of the nonjews. These are now refugees BECAUSE THEY HAD THIS NATIONALITY . Actually now they should be Israelis, because people automatically get the nationality of a successor state. But jews deny it to them.

[eshvartz]

hundreads of years ago, only one people lived on this land (hint: it was the Israelites). the land was called Cna'an. the persian empire occupied the land and deported the israelites to all over the known world. and that was just one of two major deportations. the pallis had 5 major cities on what is today gaza. they were never connected to Jerusalem.

if you think i'm not telling the truth than ask yourself why are there jews all over the world. all jews were once the biblical Israelites

[Dengatube]

Who lived the before the israelites? (Hint : it was the canaannites).

It is about a 1000 times more likely that arab palestinians are the descendants of ancient hebrews then ashkenazis are.

And you won't find any serious academic history book about the "second deportation". It's a myth. Only jewish rioters were deported, some jews emmigrated and judaism spread because of proselytism.

Who cares what was 2000 years ago? Britain doesn't belong to the romans neither.

[eshvartz]

i care what was 2k years ago. And i cant believe you actually meant the comment about pallis being descendants.. Third, judaism doesn't spread. We don't let strangers convert too often. Fourth, if cannanites disputed this territory i assure you things would have look dif. Fourth, if to judge things your way england doesn't belong to current day english, germany should be taken apart and norway should be part of denmark again.

[Dengatube]

@eshvartz

1. And Palestinian care what was their lifetime ago. But in your mind jews count more.

2. It was actually Ben Gurion himself too who made comment about arab Palestinians beeing very likely descendents of hebrew which converted to islam. 3. And judaism "spread" a lot after hebrews leaving palestine. Ashkenazis are not descendents of ancient hebrews. 4. What? 5. Palestine belongs to the palestinians, all of them, jews and nonjews. You support rascism and apartheid. Period.

[eshvartz]

@Dengatube Well, 1. no, in my mind "the golden, golden, jews" don't count more. 2. palis existed parallel to the israelites and even then their lands were consisted of five cities around the gaza strip. 3. Generally speaking, Judaism doesn't spread at all. You can claim as much as u want the 2nd deportation was not real, so what? 4. this land was taken from k9ts :) not palis. 5. Palestine is a British name for these territories, it begins with the british and ends with the british, period.

[Dengatube]

@eshvartz

2. It's the other way around : Jews existed parallel to nonjews in Palestine. 5% Jews in 1890, 10% legal residing Jews in 1947. 3. It was judaism that mostly spread right after the second "exile" and not jews. 4. It was cannanite land thousands of years ago. Jews conquered it. 5. Every territory belongs to the native inhabitants. To keep the majority of them expelled and deny them citizenship to maintain an "ethnic" domination is apartheid. Thats what you support.

[Dengatube]

@Dengatube

Sorry, I meant 33% legal residing jews in palestine. 10% of them were palestinians in 1922.

[eshvartz]

@Dengatube Cannanites have nothing to do with palis. plus, you can't eat the cake and leave it whole. either the second deportation was a myth (as you called it) or you had only 5% jews in here in 1890 which resulted in this so called mythological deportation. 2. "10% legal jews" i take it you refer to the sad epic of british rule over these regions. you mean jews were illegal in their own motherland which they set thousands of years ago, even before current day britain existed.

[Dengatube]

@eshvartz

Of course there's even some canaanite and some jewish blood in some palis. There was only some deportation of fighting jews. There's no serious evidence of whole "deportation", not ONE SINGLE SERIOUS SOURCE beside bible tales. 2. They were illegal, because they came illegaly to palestine. They cant even prove if they're descendants or just converts and it wouldn't even matter after 2000 years otherwise you have to accept palestinian right to return either or you're a rascist.

[bwanjep9]

Mind-boggling how a government can feel good about intentionally depriving its young citizens of REAL education. It is criminal, in fact, and bound to backfire as we can already see.

Thank you for this enlightening interview!

[eshvartz]

What gas, there's no gas. if our soldiers where the monsters the palestinians claim they are they WOULD be afraid to demonstrate, to throw stones and rocks at them. If Israel was such a fake democracy you wouldn't see stupid Israelis protesting against it. let us all imagine for one moment an irish man throwing a watermelon sized rock on the head of a british officer from 2 meters distance. now let us all imagine that irish guy walking home 2 minutes after that only to repeat the next day

[sarigamir1]

And to add to my educated friend's opinion, did any of you ever wonder why the "Wall" was built in the first place???

These people got a 60 year chance of peace and co-existance which they repeatedly kick back in terror and violence.

Now they realized that they are on the losing side and resorting to whining and cheap propeganda, sadly adopted by some.

[sarigamir1]

Clearly, another hippie kid who has no friends, and was beaten up too much in school.

Get a job, and f@#%k off..... you are a parasite in this country

[Dengatube]

Oooh, "parasite" is what Nazis said about jews.

You obviously learned something from the holocaust.

[sarigamir1]

Well, since the dumbo shown IS a Jew, and so am I, and since he's living off social security that I pay... I can call him whatever the hell I want...

[Leftwingmanyeah]

He is doing a lot for his country and for Humanity. You are a fool

[sarigamir1]

If he wants to do something for humanity he can save dolphins, unlike Palestinians, they are harmless, cute and

dont blow up in public places.

As for now, he is causing damage to his own country while costing tax payers money. He can go live in Gaza if he wants...

[marzutraII]

What an idiot. There is no border between Israel and "Palestine", and there never was.

[klamathmedia]

That comment is so poignant (whether or not marzutrall is Israeli), it's exactly what the Israeli activist is talking about in terms of Israeli's not knowing the geo-political landscape of Israel and Palestine. "no borders" ? Look up Israel apartheid barrier or Israel security wall or something...

[sarigamir1]

Maybe he looked up: "history of Israel" and therefore, unlike you, has a clue on what he is talking about.

He doesnt have to apologize for not being force-fed with Paliwood and neo-nazi propeganda

[marzutraII]

So where exactly is the border between Israel and "Palestine"?

[amedmorsi]

idiot yourself another fucked up ignorant Israeli

[Dengatube]

Thats right. There is only Palestine and a zionist military junta occupying the land, imitating a democracy.

[sarigamir1]

Take a history class, there was never a place called Palestine. Its a name invented by the British that occupied the area.

[Dengatube]

@ sarigamir1

Read some official documents first.

Britain first was an occupier but than a Mandator. In international right people of a mandated territory remain the sovereign. The mandator only helps administrating and developing selfadministration.

Palestine, like all Class A Mandates was recognised provisionally as an independent nation in accordance with article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

The Jews and Gentiles of Palestine were Palestinans by nationality since 1925.