While I personally have no time for religious bigorty, I am beginning to realise that as much as I dont like what these people are saying, they do have the same right to freedom of speech that I have. Ideallly their sort of backward thinking would become extinct, but sadly this isnt the case, so we just have to0 deal with it
I like mkdar1 humour about zealotry in any field and in any direction!
Any "right" comes connected with a "responsibility" and if you don't balance them for an individual or group, so that we are equal in essence no matter how diverse and different in how we appear, taking in account the possibilities in those times and space, you'll end up restraining the "freedoms" of the others.
Almost a year later - where are they keeping all those locked up pastors? David Barton could be the most profoundly confused and uninformed liar in the universe. His astonishing deceit didn't even make sense.
If you have one shred of common sense in your body, you know that hate crime legislatioin is nothing more than the first laws of extreme censorship. It is irrelevant if one kills because one is jealous or one hates...that act is the crime not the thoughts....hate crime legislation was used to arrest placard carriers in Philadelphia because they had Bible verses on them related to homosexuality, where's the violence in that? Violent crimes are already illegal, HC legislation is thought policing.
YOU LIE! Every last one in this video is purposefully LYING! They KNOW that hate crimes legislation has nothing to do with inhibiting speech, and that includes religious speech. It has to do with INHIBITING VIOLENT AND MURDEROUS ACTS AGAINST PEOPLE BY THOSE WHO ARE MOTIVATED BY HATE! Say whatever hateful lies you want to say - speech is not violent crime. Sticks and stones may break my bones but your lies only frighten gullible people into thinking their rights are being violated. YOU LIE!
I'm amazed at how the far, far right is so enamored with conflating hate crime legislation with suppression of religious speech. Preach all you want about the immorality of being gay... and I'll fight to the death for the right for you to do it. Preach about killing people because of your beliefs... and I'll fight to the death to shut you up.
The U.S. is now following Europe's (and especially Britain's path) with Fabian logic, now riding rough shot over genuine common sense, and all in the name political correctness.
Third way politics, Fabianism, The Frankfurt school of Neo Marxist theory, and Common Purpose.
Look these subjects up, as Obama subscribes to them all implicitly.
Where did the stars come from? Where did all the complex lifeforms come from? How about all the plants and trees? From random chance? I don't think so it is foolish and stupid to think we evolved from anything. The fact is God gives us everything good life, breath, and being. You supress Him from your conscious because of your sin and rebellion against this all benevolent God. The fact is Christ died taking the place of all who believe in Him.
Jesus Christ who is the Son of the Living God is preimment in all things. Another fact you bow to him either now as Lord and Savour or later as Judge and King. Repent of your sins and rebellion. Cry out to God that he might grant you repentance, a hatred for the sins you onced loved and love for the Christ you once despised. - This is Love - In that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us - he shed his blood as a propitiation for your sins. He absorbed God's wrath for those who trust Him.
What about the ultimate hate crime? The hatred every single person has for a loving and righteous God. He Gives us life and breath but we push him out or thoughts and society. The fact is God is good and it is the goodness of God that leads men to Repentance. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was crucified for our sins and rebellion. He was buried and rose again the third day. Jesus Christ is the only way for all sinners not just homosexuals. Repent of your hatred of God and Believe the Gospel.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Seriously, how does one hate something that doesn't exist? If you choose to believe in some imaginary skydaddy residing in the clouds who watches your every move, fine, you go for it.
But when you push your filthy hatred upon others who aren't just like you and justify it in the name of your skydaddy that's where I draw the line. Your religion is nothing but ugliness and hatred.
Unless a preacher/priest/rabbi goes around beating/killing gay people, hate crime laws have absolutely no bearing on religious leaders and what they preach.
Hate crimes are, by definition VIOLENT CRIMES. No one can be prosecuted without KILLING or INJURING someone physically!
The lies are so blatant...all in an effort to scare the public. Great job.
No, but as I've quoted Webster's stance on the word, I would think that the authors of a dictionary would be a somewhat authoritative source.
If you'd prefer to consider the dictionary as a "lame argument" that is up to you. That would explain why basic rules of grammar escape you as well, such as the one where a sentence must have a subject.
Yes the Bible was written thousands of years ago, but it is a living document, meaning its writings are always applicable. Yes, there are many different translations and yet we STILL have the original manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew that profess against homosexuality. It's not like no one can interpret these languages, you can look at them today and it will tell you a man shall not lie with a mas as with a woman. Period. It's infallibility depends on God, not us. We are imperfect, God is perfect
We don't actually have the originals. We have copies. And that's nice that you believe what your pastor tells you the bible says without doing any homework for yourself and looking to other sources.
Irregardless, you've just admitted your opposition to homosexuality stems from your religion and your religion alone. You've lost the debate. This nation is not a theocracy, and we will not be ruled by any religious views. Period.
According to Merriam-Webster: The most frequently repeated remark about it is that there is no such word. There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance.
Nonstandard usage, yes. Not a word? Not even close.
"Nonstandard usage, yes. Not a word? Not even close."
--Yes, I've heard that lame argument before. According to that belief, I can make up a new word and by it's mere existence it is a word. Doesn't mean it's standard or even proper English.
Just because a word springs up out of stupidity and/or ignorance doesn't mean it has legitimacy in the language.
This is not a hate speech law. If you read the proposed law, it in fact restates that nothing in the law shall be construed to remove a person's First Amendment rights to free speech in any way shape or form.
Some are more equal than others. First this is unconstitutional per the 14th Amendment. Individuals are to be treated equally under the law. Hate Crime Law is elevating some people (a race) with more privileges over another group (another race). Simple. Hate Crimes jail people for words in Canada, and all through out Europe for offending some minority There are laws on the books for psychical violence to another person already.
Yep. Straight Americans are indeed more equal than other Americans. They can serve in the Armed Forces without having to be dishonest. They are afforded the rights, responsibilities, and dignity of marriage. They are protected from job and housing discrimination on the basis of their orientation.
They are also not the targets of criminal acts intended to terrorize them simply because they are straight.
--The military doesn't have to take you. It doesn't work like a public utility.
"They are afforded the rights"
--So are gays.
"on the basis of their orientation"
--That's a reverse logic way of looking at it. But really, they are not. No one is "protected" from job discrimination "because" they're heterosexual.
"not the targets of criminal acts"
--So no supporters of CA Prop 8 were victims of hate crimes at the hands of gays? Your propaganda is showing it's hand.
Are you saying people supported Prop 8 simply because they were straight?
Crimes based on political views are just as reprehensible as crimes based on a person's orientation. And people on both sides of the debate were targeted and victimized for their political stances. Your martyr complex is showing when you so blatantly misinterpret my statements.
My point, which you keep purposefully missing, is that gays and lesbians have historically been targeted by violent crime SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY.
Straight people have not faced the same intimidation BECAUSE OF THEIR ORIENTATION.
Matthew Shephard was murdered by two thugs determined to TARGET SOMEONE BECAUSE HE WAS GAY.
No one has been murdered because they supported or opposed Prop. 8. Your comparison is as flawed as it is misleading.
"No one has been murdered because they supported or opposed Prop. 8"
--I think this is the 1st time you mentioned murder. You were talking before about crime &/or violence. And yes anti-prop 8 people have committed crimes & violence against those voicing the majority opinion. So no my comparison is not flawed.
Murder is murder. Women have been killed because they were women, doesn't make them hate crimes. What about men who have been murdered because someone hated them? This is all ridiculous.
Your comparison is still flawed. You cited scattered reports of vandalism, have yet to name one person charged with assault, and conveniently implied that only people who supported Prop. 8 were targets of these crimes.
And if murder is murder, why do we classify terrorism differently? Are you prepared to argue that terrorists should be subject to the same punishments as murderers because their crimes are, after all, just murder?
"implied that only people who supported Prop. 8 were targets of these crimes"
--Why would anti-Prop 8 protesters commit crimes against people either not voting or against Prop 8? Doesn't make sense, like most of what you say. You're high again, aren't you?
"why do we classify terrorism differently?"
--Because terrorism isn't limited to just murder. Plus, there are "degrees" of murder.
Please go away, your incessant buzzing like a fly is truly annoying. You have nothing of substance to offer.
Looks like the Right Wing is doing it's hate related propaganda once again. INDIANA & RHODE ISLAND (where these representatives they show are from) BOTH just voted "YEA" to have this passed. There is still freedom of speech in this country, morons. I guess the producer of this video should be held accountable then huh? If you're on the fence, why don't you ask Matthew Shepard's mother if she thinks this is a necessity.
Pence and the phony Republicans are SITTING BY and watching as Sotomayor gets appointed, who is a member of La Raza (HELLOO!), she discriminates against White men, and she hates us Whites. The Republicans will do nothing about stopping the persecution of Whites with Hate Crime laws, either. Quit wasting your time voting for useless White Traitor Republicans. NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE. Isn't that what the blacks say? Funny how they are allowed to be violent, but White men commit "hate crimes".
Pence is a WHITE TRAITOR. Hate Crime laws aren't "well-intentioned", they are designed to imprison White men, for the crime of simply being as racist as black men, mexican men, chinese men, and every other race on Earth. Pence is a White coward, ass-kissing appeaser who will simply stand by and watch as non-Whites take over America, destroy it, and lock up White men who say anything about it! Fuck Mike Pence. Fuck Republicans. Fuck White coward Traitors who apologize and kiss non-White ass.
Pence is another useless, Republican liar. He says Hate Crime laws are "well-intentioned". No, they aren't, they're designed to throw White men in prison, period. Until White cowards like Pence admit that all the other races are racist, and that they are intent on tearing down what they perceive to be White Western Civ, they are WASTING OUR TIME and delaying the day when Whites can defend themselves OPENLY against anti-White hatred. They are forestalling when Whites can have communities again.
Really? Protects pedophiles? Apparently you are an illiterate christian who doesn't understand that sexual orientation has already been defined in the legislature.
Why don't you actually read the proposition instead of believing what others tell you. That is the problem with the country. People do not think for themselves, they just go along with everyone else.
A judge would laugh your argument out of court. Nothing in this law repeals the criminalization of pedophilia. Nothing in this law prevents the prosecution of pedophilia. Nothing in this law even mentions pedophilia.
The bill says that all that hate crimes includes is not JUST murder, but also misdemeanors. In other words, if an adult molests a child and the parent hits or slaps or strikes the molester with a purse, without killing them and maybe not even making a mark, the parent is charged with a felony. Another scenario is if a woman is flashed by a man (this bill protects exhibitionism) and the woman hits him with a purse, then the woman is charged with a felony and the man is charged with a misdemeanor.
There is still a justice system in place. I don't think any charges will be brought up against a parent hitting someone that just molested their child. That's like saying you'll be charged for shooting someone that broke into your house.
That is what the bill states. Did you not read the actual document. I did and that is what it says. ANY act of violence against a person with "gender confusion" (as the bill puts it) will be subject to punishment against the supreme court of the United States. That is what it says. A hate crimes bill is made for any form of violence, even if there is a reason behind it.
Killers give reasons all of the time. That does not mean they get away with it. And the justice system is flawed.
For all of you that are saying it is a religious thing and saying things that they do not know, why don't you actually read the bill before you start saying that these people are saying things that aren't in the bill. First of all, this is not just a religious thing, as we found out with prop 8, because more than half of the country voted for it. And second, the hate crime bill is a step against freedom of speech.
First of all, nice language. I bet you have to be pretty smart to know big words like that. Second of all, if you did know anything about prop 8, you would know that it was not just a California thing. States all over the country voted on various propositions and amendments relating to the same idea. Prop 8 is just a referred name because it was bigger in California. Know your knowledge before you speak, dude. Otherwise your just embarrassing yourself.
You're quite the idiot. The various ballot propositions across the country take many different forms, and this issue has been subdivided so much that a No vote on Florida's bill is not the same thing as a No vote on California's.
But keep up with the rhetorical dancing. It's entertaining to watch you contort facts and statements to fit your agenda.
Hey Senator DeMint (R-SC), didn't a young man by the name of Sean Kennedy get murdered in your state and killer spent only one year in prison? This country was founded by the people, for the people - NOT by the church, for the church. The law would expand the law already in effect to include crimes motivated by a victim's actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. You only focus on the gay community. Guess women and the disabled be damned also.
Well, women and the disabled aren't an emotional hot-button issue. And if the Senator were to actually have read and understood the bill correctly, neither would the proposed legislation be an emotional hot-button issue.
Instead, he's made far-reaching claims (think, "I invented the Internet" or something along those lines...) that really just prove he's in office because he plays people's emotions well, not because he's a man of integrity.
No Jerry W., if anything, it is proof that these are small, scared men, incapable of a basic understanding of the Constitution and the proposed bill itself. These men have not thought through to the possibility that the bill is going to pass, and that in two, four, or six years when they are running for re-election, they will have provided an easy "Chicken Little" moment for their opponents to base an ad on.
You're entitled to that opinion, but the faith that I know and hold to be true commands its followers to give of themselves to the world, to love the unloved, and to feed and clothe the hungry and naked.
I think if Christ's followers spent more time obeying his call to serve, and less time in self-righteous condemnation, the world might have a better impression of us.
This is a good hate video. lying, misleading, nonfactual. Hate crimes bill is only to follow up on crime that locals may think is ok, like detective work and prosecution of people who hurt minorities, who the local authorities refuse to protect.
Okay, if someone kills a gay person they should be charged with murder not murder + hate crime. Thats bullshit, my life is just as important as a gay persons.
If you read the law and how it would be amended, you will find the words 'motivated by'. It doesn't state that if someone is murdered that automatically it is a hate crime. The hate crime law in effect already has 'race' in it, that does not mean that everytime someone of any race is murdered or attacked it is a hate crime. These holier than thou politicians are theocrats. They would rather have a theocracy than a democracy. They cherry pick the bible to support their bigotry.
Excellent summary! Unfortunately these "good" "loving" "christian" republicans are somewhat oblivious to their own - you know, the "sanctity of marriage" shit. One man, one woman, and a CONCUBINE IN ARGENTINA! Or, one man, one woman, and a DC MADAM WHORE WITH DIAPERS! Oh wait! In the "good" "christian" way - one man, one woman and a PAID SLUT (with severance) AND the "good" "christian's" parents giving such slut $100,000 for "family suffering." Yeah, she suffered from christian COCK.
Ok, u don't understand. The hate crimes bill is only to make sure the person is found and prosecuted when local authorities decline to work hard on the case. That's all..
and you're right your life is just as important, and if you're murdered the police et al will not stop investigating since you're not gay. The treatment under the law is meant to be equal.
No, it is not a distraction. It is a legitimate request that the federal government support the investigation of crimes meant to terrorize targeted minorities...
Such as Christians, gays, Latinos, or the mentally ill.
Any crime prosecuted as a hate crime adds the burden of proof of bias to the prosecutors job. A hate crimes law cannot legally abridge the first amendment. any federal judge would strike it down immediately and it would never be enforced. Nothing in the law as written endangers anyone's religion or church. If you are sued and win in court the plaintiff will have to pay your legal bills. Ask norm coleman how much he paid Franken.
sglibrarian, it appears you slept through the part of civics class where they covered government. If you hadn't, you would know that not all governments are the same, and you would know that unlike those nations you mentioned, the USA has an iron-clad guarantee of free expression in the form of the First Amendment.
You would also know that laws in no way can violate the Constitution. This knowledge would then tell you that no judge could possibly rule against free speech using this law.
If a preacher can vote & lobby to have the gov. tell me I dont not have the right to hold a job, kiss in public, get married (cause I am gay); then why cant I lobby to tell him that he cannot tell others that I'm going to hell and that I'm an abom. to God. True separation of C&S, then let me be and I will let u be! But wasnt it only 50 years or so ago preachers were preaching that it was an abomination to have a wife work outside the home & for interracial couples to get married.
You're advocating the use of government to stomp on other people's rights because they make you feel bad. That is the real face of fascism. If someone doesn't like you then get over it. But if you think you can use the government to force people's opinion that means people like me who didnt want to get involved are going to do so out of infringement on my rights. Freedom of Speech shall not be infringed. The government didn't grant that right, nature did and fascists like you take it away.
His point was that he would like to be left to his own perfectly legal devices, and that the preacher ought not to advocate against his equality. Since the preacher has, he is defending his rights in the best way he knows how.
I might also add a point here... Thomas your behavior towards others in this forum leads me to believe that you are not a Christian. If you are, then you clearly have a plank in your eye that needs seeing to before you can accurately address others.
There is nothing that says that you cannot work. That is ludicrous. A human being has the right to work and i do not know where you are getting that from. Also, no one says that you cannot kiss in public. I do not know where you are getting these outlandish claims, but they are not true.
In 31 states, I can legally be fired simply for being gay.
Despite the US Supreme Court Case, Lawrence v. Texas, several states still have "decency laws" that have been used against same-sex couples who kissed in public. Texas would be one example, and there are others.
Our "outlandish claims" are based on our treatment at the hands of our fellow citizens, and our government. I personally have been thrown off a bus for giving my then-boyfriend a peck on the cheek.
I am sorry for what you have gone through. I cannot control those people and anyone who does that and calls themselves a Christian is not exhibiting Christ-like behavior.
That said, you cannot be "legally" fired for any reason other than poor performance. These issues dealing with firing because of sexuality preference are not under the Constitution, title 7 of the civil rights act of 1964, legal. The employers might do it, but it is not legal.
The real issue is that homosexuals are comparing their so-called oppressive movement to the black oppressive movement. You need to stop that now. Homosexuality is not a genetic thing (that has been proven) it is a choice and the fact that you are comparing you "sufferings" to the civil rights movement of the 60's is not only appalling to me and every other person for traditional marriage, but also to the black community. Stop considering yourself a race. You are not.
That is not, nor has it ever been, the "real" issue. No one community has a monopoly on "civil rights," unless you're willing to argue that Christians have never struggled for civil rights either.
In fact, lgbts have long been prominently involved in fighting for and achieving equality for other oppressed groups. Unless you've forgotten about Bayard Rustin, the gay man who was a counselor and confidant of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
The fact that a gay man was friends with Martin Luther King Jr. does not mean that homosexuals should be treated as a race of people. You are not a race. You have a choice and you weren't born that way. Obviously, black people cannot change the color of their skin.
And as far a civil rights go, yes everyone should have the same civil rights, but I was not talking about that. I was talking about the gay community comparing themselves to blacks. There is no comparison.
laws dont woth the ink that they written, cops and prosecutors choose which laws to enforce, in some places homosexuality is a crime, but is not enforced, adultery is a crime in some places also.
Regarding my previous comment: I accidentally wrote "HRC". I, of course, meant "FRC". Wow this video is so full of lies. Hate crimes legislation does not affect speech and there's no way one can be charged with a hate crime for not "hiring a homosexual". That's DISCRIMINATION.
Pastors are not excluded from prosecution. Otherwise they could preach against the black community. I bet Bishop Jackson wouldn't like that, or would he like to protect the speech of KKK Pastors?
Anyone using their First Amendment rights would still be immune from prosecution. Hate speech is protected... A white supremacist can still say what they like about their twisted concepts of racial superiority.
Grounds for prosecution begin when speech crosses the line into things like incitement to violence, which would be a clear call for illegal/terroristic attacks on a particular community or minority.
Once again, no rights of free expression are curtailed by this bill.
When these laws have been rolled out in other nations - Canada, Germany, England, Australia, etc. - the net effect is indeed a curtailment of free speech. Pastors and those critical of immigration or the gay pressure movements have been targeted. It HAS happened and there is little reason to think the same will not occur here.
I'd say better safe than sorry and let's not get these wacky laws on the books in the first place.
I can't believe I need to explain this, but we are not Canada, Germany, England, or any of the other countries that you mention.
Your claim that this Act of Congress will curtail free speech does not hold water. We all know that the Constitution is the highest law in the USA. The Constitution is amended (changed) through a very specific process. An Act of Congress is not sufficient to amend. Any high school student who didn't sleep through their civics class could tell you that.
Why don't they quote or show us the actual text from the proposed bill? Bills introduced and debated in open sessions (as this one has been) are a matter of public record even before they are passed. It can't possibly be that hard to get hands on a copy. Checked their site and no link to the Hate Crimes bill there, either.
Would it be that they think the text of the bill would undermine their misrepresentations of it?
I'm not advocating violence against gays. I disagree with them, but I can coexist. I just don't know if they need hate crime status when crimes are committed against them. I mean, why should a criminal be punished more severely when they commit a crime against one person, than another? I'd be thoroughly ticked off, if someone robbed a gay person and another person robbed me, but the guy who robbed the gay was put away and the guy who robbed me was walking the streets. How is that justice?
NCAirman1988, this bill would not let someone who committed a crime against you walk free because you are straight. It would also not punish someone extra simply because the victim happened to be gay. (Or Christian or deaf or Latino...)
If the crime was committed with the express intent to terrorize or target a person based on their sexuality (or religion or disability status or ethinicity), then and only then would the bill's sentencing provisions take effect.
These people are crazy paranoids. They are in congress and they don't understand? Are they really that slow? How did they get elected? They have to know what it means. Its a hate crime when the pastor shows up at the front door of the gay person's house with torches and pitch forks... maybe that's what they are afraid of ... their right to linch in the name of the lord!
The biggest problem I have with this video is that when my son or daughter studies American History, it or something very much like it will be shown as part of the curriculum on the struggle for equality.
Then I'll have to explain how people could be so full of hate and/or self-righteousness that they actively sought to deny reasonable civil protections to a persecuted minority class.
I really honestly think that might be tougher than talking to them about drugs...
Very simple. Just DECIDE what you WANT to be and that's what you WILL be. I decided to join the military, therefore, I did. I decided, to marry my wife, therefore, I did. I decided to pursue a degree in Civil Engineering and I am currently enrolled. The way I see it, there is very little in life that you can't at least somewhat control. God is all powerful, of course. He wants us to do the right thing, but He doesn't force us to. We still have the option of following our own will.
NCAirman1988, I did "decide" not to be gay. Many, many, many times. With MUCH prayer. It did not work.
Have you ever thought that, much like the color of my eyes, perhaps my sexuality is also something I cannot change, but only disguise in an effort to deceive or please others?
Your argument about choosing to marry your wife ignores the fact that (evidently) you are straight. Your experience with sexuality is likely very different from that of gays and lesbians.
It SHOULD be a hate crime to hurt a "homosexual" and not hire one or fire one. Homosexuals are U.S. citizens and have the same rights as everyone else. How dare DeMint say that we are "raising the status of people who are counter cultural". I didn't realize there were different statuses or classes of people in the United States of America. I thought we were "all created equal" and that it is "self evident" that we should have the same right to "life, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS".
1. The Matthew Shepard/Hate Crimes bill will not now or ever be used to circumvent anyone's First Amendment rights to freedom of expression. There's a reason freedom of expression is first in the bill of rights and the ACLU (among others) has long fought to protect it, contrary to what one of the commentators opines.
2. I hear no one protesting (or even mentioning) the fact that this bill would extend the same protections to Christians as to gays.
Wrong. You're completely and utterly wrong. Do a Youtube search on Free Speech in the Netherlands (the 1st country in the world to have free speech), Canada, Great Britain, Sweden, or Germany. Everything you said it wrong. It is not based on any evidence whatsoever. In every instance, in every country it has led to the destruction of Free Speech. Hate Crime laws have also led to the privledging of differences. One group become elevated to sacrosanct and becomes the dominant voice.
I think hate crimes should only apply to natural things that are out of the individual's control, such as race. Homosexuality is purely a choice, like many things in our life. No one is born with it. If I decided to rob a bank, could I say that I was born with that instinct? Even if some of the behavior is instinct, fighting your instincts is part of being a civilized human being. Its what separates us from the animals.
If homosexuality is a choice, please explain why I was raised to believe that it is immoral, and very strongly cleaved to that belief, but yet still ended up gay? Also, please explain why, if it was a "choice" I made, my tears and earnest prayers weren't enough for God to remove it from my life? And then explain why so many gay and lesbian children of fundamentalist families report the same or similar experiences. (FYI, I'm still Christian, still gay, but no longer hate myself for it.)
Being gay is not a choice. No one would actively choose to be one of the most socially dejected and religiously hated groups. There is mounds of scientific evidence that shows this to be true. Not to mention the thousands of animal species that homosexuality has been observed it. Sounds pretty natural to me.
Oh look, a new generation of supremacists confidently arguing against treating yet another minority group of human beings as fully equal citizens. Imagine white supremacists arguing against the Civil Rights Act out of fear that their bigotry would become less mainstream. No, you don't need to imagine that. Just watch this video. It's the same old immoral heinous evil supremacist ideology reborn but just targeted at a different group of people.
Nobody says preachers won't be able to say that teh filthy gays are filthy. That's free speech and hate crimes legislation does not apply to speech at all unless that sort of speech is ALREADY limited, such as suggesting that people be killed.
The suggestion that anyone could be prosecuted for saying that gays are nasty and immoral is just blatantly false.
It's not the emotion, or the speech; it is a hate crime when such hatred is acted on. It is to protect minority classes who are at a higher risk for being attacked, simply for who they are.
I note all Repugs - it just figures they'd haul our red herring arguments against a hate crimes bill. BTW, if you look at the stats the most attacked groups are Blacks, Jews and Gays.
Just like that old Disco tune, There But For the Grace Of God, remember?
All of you who are saying this is untrue are either totally deceived, or you don't want to know the truth. Hate crimes laws are being used right now in Canada, Sweden, and other countries to jail ministers who simply want to let people know what the Bible says about harmful lifestyles.
While this is true in some countries, and rightfully so as to not repeat history with another Adolf Hitler, YOU are the one who is deceived. In this law is a specific protection for religious speech. In no way can anyone be targeted for speaking against homosexuality. Read it.
Then why only homosexuality? What about your ten commandments? Why aren't we stoning to death adulterers, children who disrespect their parents, those who work on the Sabbath, etc.? Why aren't we hearing about, and indeed, performing these gruesome executions required by your ten commandments? Pleasae explain! If you believe the bible is the truth, then you are indeed in DIRE need of an education.
Lewisz9 - you are not clear what your point is but I think I can help. Men are faliable and these men are wrong- wrong on their INTERPRETATION of the bible. Are we to believe that these men have Gods ear and mindset? Not my god!
The restrictions of speach they are speaking about is the loss of their tax exempt status by the church when they decide to become politically active- which they should lose their tax exempt status when they want to make public policy. These senators are trying to give the church political power with their perversion of the trueth. This MUST end if our society is going to progress beyond the 19th century. I agree with another blogger - they're going to burn in the very hell they preach about.
Really! You will always have freedom of speech. However, if you are telling your church members to shun/not hire/... a homosexual then that is spreading hate.
The right wing is grasping on to whatever they can. Many of the gays I know ( not all) are much better people than most of us. They should have more protections. They are not tearing up the roads driving kids everywhere, yet they pay more taxes...
Oh and David Barton at 1:27 is a big old closet case.
If my representative in government were to say that a Hate Crime bill will outlaw speech from the pulpit... He would be replaced come election time. What a person says during a crime is secondary to the crime.
You have it completely backwards. There was NO separation of church and state in Nazi Germany, which is exactly how Hitler used christianity to instill such a hatred towards the Jews that led to their extermination - exactly the same scenario these filthy christians right here desire - a complete suppression of the GLBT community into oblivion.
How do can some people lie THAT MUCH and still be taken serious by any American citizen with half a brain??? Stupid shit!
PS.. Say what you want about me LOL but I just have to say it... the dude in this video @ 1:27 ... Mr. David Barton, President of Wallbuilders needs to come out the closet!!! LMAO Girl that lip gloss your wearing is POP'IN!! THAT LIP GLOSS IS COOOOL!! LMAO WOW! How can you tell all those anti-gay LIES with all that LIP GLOSS on??????
Wow, is nobody who disagrees with this or any other conservative value capable of any discussion that doesn't attack others?
I didn't realize Christians are the only ones who aren't allowed to express what they believe. Everyone else can say whatever they want however they want to whomever they please... but WHOA... you say something that comes from the bible, you're a bigot and hateful.
Smells like a double standard to me. Try practicing some common sense.
Typical hard-core christian values = "we should be able to physically and verbally abuse who we want and while we're at it, demean them, degrade them. After all God says we can." ..Yahh God's love at it's finest. I can't wait for the day when these bigots are in the minority.
I just saw the black dude at the end on the 700 club; he said Mathew Shepard didn't die in a hate crime but a drug deal gone bad...what a bunch of LIES. This bill has nothing to do with censoring churches, they can continue to preach their hateful crap under the first amendment.
This Bill is about hate CRIMES. The constitution and the Bill of Rights allows you the freedom to say what you want. what is said may be hurtful, ignorant, and plain wrong but it's not a crime. This video is evidence of that. Therefore the arguments being made in this video have no merit. It is disturbing that this ignorant representative and Senator on this video are helping to make the laws in this country. There is no excuse for them not to know the Constiution or the Bill of Rights.
Shame on you FRC. Nobody is censoring families or churches. There obviously is an exception in the law for religious speech, so the main argument in this video is INVALID. Your organization uses people's ignorance to spread messages of hatred. If you don't like the hate crimes bill, then you ought to have yourself removed from its protection. Otherwise, you're being hypocritical.
1st, I am not religious in any way shape or form. 2nd, I'm gay. Having said that, hate crime law is redundant. If someone is murdered, the murderer should be punished REGARDLESS of the victims race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Murder is murder - we already have laws against it. HCLs distract from relevant issues, waste taxpayer money, waste time on local and federal levels, allow otherwise usless politicians to appear important, and provide both parties with ammo for propaganda like this.
HCL's also make "gay panic" defenses unsustainable in strongly anti-gay districts, just as they protected African-Americans against acts of violence when local juries "give it a pass." They also reduce the frequency of crimes committed to scare away groups deemed "undesirable."
And no, not all murders are the same. Punishment has always been strongly tied to the circumstances and the motivation. And the murder of a protected group is NOT automatically a hate crime. Nor is anti-gay preaching.
If these congress members keep on spewing these lies they should not expect to gain congressional seats in 2010. I do vote for Republicans, but I am not as enthused to support the party with money or volunteer time.
If they are so against hate crimes, they should remove the hate crime protection they have as members of congress.
This propaganda video talks about how it will quell free speech in church, which is a huge lie. If you read the bill you will notice there is an exception for religious speech. This is just a scare tactic used to frighten the ignorant. Shame on these GOP senators.
This bill doesn't only affect homosexuals but women and others. Congress needs to pass this law now!
so let me get this stright 24 of my sisters were murdered last year. Because they presented as women. Thats NOT A HATE CRIME??? Im sorry but thats not right. Mathew Shepard Act needs to get passed. And no it does not go against churches. Your leaders know you dont read the laws before calling. Go read the law and then take sides dont let a reverand that is getting PAID to say things like this sway your vote.
Not in the least. You can legally walk down the street screaming, "I hate n*ggers, k*kes. sp*cs, b*tches and f*gs!" The body of law can't stop you.
But if you commit an act of violence against those groups and *justify* it with those opinions, that shouldn't be protected by law, and is a very different offense from going after a member of that group for their money.
The point of Hate Crimes legislation is NOT to give one group more protection than others, but to make sure morons like those speaking in this video aware that when violence is committed against a certain group because of gender, sexuality, race or religion, it IS a crime. If not for their bigotry, the legislation would be entirely unnecessary.
Congress has no power to pass any laws pertaining to any religion. This pathetic scare tactic only displays why Hate Crimes laws are necessary.
This video makes all kinds of false statements. The senators and representatives who spoke in this video are making accusations that free speech would be in jeopardy. In reality, the legislation is trying to make sure everyone can live without fear of being beaten, spit upon, or verbally abused for being who they are. I'm pretty sure that Jesus wouldn't be very supportive of legislating hate.
Wow I didn't realize that limiting the speech of Christian leaders in one area was in any way comparable to the discrimination, assault, and murder of homosexual individuals. Oh - and I love that the group sponsoring this has the word "research" in their name. What kind of research do they perform? Clearly nothing related to actual science or psychology, or they would realize that homosexuality is natural...
If you support this video, I have one thing to say.
With all of the other subjects in the bible, and all of the other horrible sins that are going on in the world today, why is this such a red flag? It's two men loving each other or two women... loving each other. Since when is love a sin?
There are SO many lies here. But in interest of space, I want to just point to one.
Around 1:25, David Barton COMPLETELY mireps the way the Gohmert amendment was addressed in judiciary committee! Not one congressmember suggested what Barton says they did. The amendment was shot down b/c it is unneeded!
See it for yourself: Google "transcript090422.pdf" and dowload the transcript. The Gohmert exchange begins on page 154.
What is wrong with these people... Why are they so hateful... This is shameful to see religion used in such a way. Have they forgotten what religion was originally intended, or was about? God is Love, not divisionism or hatred. Also, it's not all about what you read or what you say-but what you do, that matters most to God. What these "so called" concerned Christians are doing-is pure evil. I recognize these faces, the white ones-are prejudiced, the black is simply a fool. Shame on the Church!
So are we going to end up like China and take away freedom of religion? They have even edited the Bible and the only way to engage in religion legally is to attend a church that is registered, yet, those churches that are registered have edited scriptures. Teaching what the entire scriptures say is illegal. That is basically what would be happening here. So therefore our government would be just like the CCP taking away our right to teach and believe all of scripture......mind control.
You mean like how the Bible was edited since the very hour it was created? Look at the countless empires that did it! Thousands of translations, different authors, books taken out, replaced, edited for political control, Councils of Nicea. I can guarantee you we didn't have the same Bible we did 1500 yrs. ago.
Yesterday, Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) introduced so-called "hate crimes" legislation as an amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill. wHAT A BUNCH OF WEASELS!!!
I'm proud I live in America. My Episcopal church does not have the limited beliefs these men are promoting. Please do not think every church is promoting these limiting ideas. We love everyone, and invite all to come PRAY WITH US this Sunday. See ya'll there! Praise the Lord.
Name one preacher who has been arrested and/or charged for a ''hate crime''. One.
jfsfrnd 7 months ago
While I personally have no time for religious bigorty, I am beginning to realise that as much as I dont like what these people are saying, they do have the same right to freedom of speech that I have. Ideallly their sort of backward thinking would become extinct, but sadly this isnt the case, so we just have to0 deal with it
ollysnake 11 months ago
I like mkdar1 humour about zealotry in any field and in any direction!
Any "right" comes connected with a "responsibility" and if you don't balance them for an individual or group, so that we are equal in essence no matter how diverse and different in how we appear, taking in account the possibilities in those times and space, you'll end up restraining the "freedoms" of the others.
gabi925 1 year ago
Almost a year later - where are they keeping all those locked up pastors? David Barton could be the most profoundly confused and uninformed liar in the universe. His astonishing deceit didn't even make sense.
CriticalThinker1000 1 year ago 2
If you have one shred of common sense in your body, you know that hate crime legislatioin is nothing more than the first laws of extreme censorship. It is irrelevant if one kills because one is jealous or one hates...that act is the crime not the thoughts....hate crime legislation was used to arrest placard carriers in Philadelphia because they had Bible verses on them related to homosexuality, where's the violence in that? Violent crimes are already illegal, HC legislation is thought policing.
AmericanRobin 2 years ago
YOU LIE! Every last one in this video is purposefully LYING! They KNOW that hate crimes legislation has nothing to do with inhibiting speech, and that includes religious speech. It has to do with INHIBITING VIOLENT AND MURDEROUS ACTS AGAINST PEOPLE BY THOSE WHO ARE MOTIVATED BY HATE! Say whatever hateful lies you want to say - speech is not violent crime. Sticks and stones may break my bones but your lies only frighten gullible people into thinking their rights are being violated. YOU LIE!
alfalafool 2 years ago
I'm amazed at how the far, far right is so enamored with conflating hate crime legislation with suppression of religious speech. Preach all you want about the immorality of being gay... and I'll fight to the death for the right for you to do it. Preach about killing people because of your beliefs... and I'll fight to the death to shut you up.
mkdark1 2 years ago 8
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mkdark1 2 years ago
COUNTER CULTURAL?!
thebambikid 2 years ago
The Zionists are laughing at gays destroying their lives. They no gays have no future.
PeekyBooo 2 years ago
People should be asking why the Zionist want to stop Christians.
The Pharisees are just using gays as zombie force, so that the Zionist get what they need. They want to stop people criticism the attack on America.
PeekyBooo 2 years ago
I too support the hate crimes bill. These conservative christians have a gay problem. Gays should not be living a life under intimidation.
TouchOfGreatness 2 years ago
i support the hate crimes bill.
thegoochieguy 2 years ago
it's also unconstitutional to pass this bill
TheVictorytoday 2 years ago
Illiterate christian cunts in action!
Peeraze baby jeebus and his filthy hatred!
WellConditioned 2 years ago
The U.S. is now following Europe's (and especially Britain's path) with Fabian logic, now riding rough shot over genuine common sense, and all in the name political correctness.
Third way politics, Fabianism, The Frankfurt school of Neo Marxist theory, and Common Purpose.
Look these subjects up, as Obama subscribes to them all implicitly.
Hopespingseternal 2 years ago
Where did the stars come from? Where did all the complex lifeforms come from? How about all the plants and trees? From random chance? I don't think so it is foolish and stupid to think we evolved from anything. The fact is God gives us everything good life, breath, and being. You supress Him from your conscious because of your sin and rebellion against this all benevolent God. The fact is Christ died taking the place of all who believe in Him.
aroyalpriest 2 years ago
Jesus Christ who is the Son of the Living God is preimment in all things. Another fact you bow to him either now as Lord and Savour or later as Judge and King. Repent of your sins and rebellion. Cry out to God that he might grant you repentance, a hatred for the sins you onced loved and love for the Christ you once despised. - This is Love - In that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us - he shed his blood as a propitiation for your sins. He absorbed God's wrath for those who trust Him.
aroyalpriest 2 years ago
Good grief. It's called chemistry, physics and biology, you ignorant moron.
WellConditioned 2 years ago
What about the ultimate hate crime? The hatred every single person has for a loving and righteous God. He Gives us life and breath but we push him out or thoughts and society. The fact is God is good and it is the goodness of God that leads men to Repentance. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was crucified for our sins and rebellion. He was buried and rose again the third day. Jesus Christ is the only way for all sinners not just homosexuals. Repent of your hatred of God and Believe the Gospel.
aroyalpriest 2 years ago
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Seriously, how does one hate something that doesn't exist? If you choose to believe in some imaginary skydaddy residing in the clouds who watches your every move, fine, you go for it.
But when you push your filthy hatred upon others who aren't just like you and justify it in the name of your skydaddy that's where I draw the line. Your religion is nothing but ugliness and hatred.
WellConditioned 2 years ago 2
I keep forgetting...what does the bible say about bearing false witness against one's neighbor? For shame, FRC.
fjgasior 2 years ago 2
This is ridiculous.
Unless a preacher/priest/rabbi goes around beating/killing gay people, hate crime laws have absolutely no bearing on religious leaders and what they preach.
Hate crimes are, by definition VIOLENT CRIMES. No one can be prosecuted without KILLING or INJURING someone physically!
The lies are so blatant...all in an effort to scare the public. Great job.
rodgierad 2 years ago
No, but as I've quoted Webster's stance on the word, I would think that the authors of a dictionary would be a somewhat authoritative source.
If you'd prefer to consider the dictionary as a "lame argument" that is up to you. That would explain why basic rules of grammar escape you as well, such as the one where a sentence must have a subject.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
Yes the Bible was written thousands of years ago, but it is a living document, meaning its writings are always applicable. Yes, there are many different translations and yet we STILL have the original manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew that profess against homosexuality. It's not like no one can interpret these languages, you can look at them today and it will tell you a man shall not lie with a mas as with a woman. Period. It's infallibility depends on God, not us. We are imperfect, God is perfect
treeman913 2 years ago
We don't actually have the originals. We have copies. And that's nice that you believe what your pastor tells you the bible says without doing any homework for yourself and looking to other sources.
Irregardless, you've just admitted your opposition to homosexuality stems from your religion and your religion alone. You've lost the debate. This nation is not a theocracy, and we will not be ruled by any religious views. Period.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
"Irregardless"
--Not a word, and has the same meaning as it's root word.
NoGuff 2 years ago
According to Merriam-Webster: The most frequently repeated remark about it is that there is no such word. There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance.
Nonstandard usage, yes. Not a word? Not even close.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
"Nonstandard usage, yes. Not a word? Not even close."
--Yes, I've heard that lame argument before. According to that belief, I can make up a new word and by it's mere existence it is a word. Doesn't mean it's standard or even proper English.
Just because a word springs up out of stupidity and/or ignorance doesn't mean it has legitimacy in the language.
NoGuff 2 years ago
hate speech laws = no freedom of speech
NoGuff 2 years ago
This is not a hate speech law. If you read the proposed law, it in fact restates that nothing in the law shall be construed to remove a person's First Amendment rights to free speech in any way shape or form.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
I'm so ashamed to live in the state of Indiana. Mike Pence is a shame and a disgrace.
Snicki1946 2 years ago
You're a disgrace! dickhead!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
Some are more equal than others. First this is unconstitutional per the 14th Amendment. Individuals are to be treated equally under the law. Hate Crime Law is elevating some people (a race) with more privileges over another group (another race). Simple. Hate Crimes jail people for words in Canada, and all through out Europe for offending some minority There are laws on the books for psychical violence to another person already.
GlobalMinority 2 years ago
"There are laws on the books for psychical violence to another person already."
Excellent point. Tell that to the religious right in the U.S., who just so happen to be protected by, uh, hate crimes laws.
WellConditioned 2 years ago
"Some are more equal than others."
Yep. Straight Americans are indeed more equal than other Americans. They can serve in the Armed Forces without having to be dishonest. They are afforded the rights, responsibilities, and dignity of marriage. They are protected from job and housing discrimination on the basis of their orientation.
They are also not the targets of criminal acts intended to terrorize them simply because they are straight.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
"serve in the Armed Forces"
--The military doesn't have to take you. It doesn't work like a public utility.
"They are afforded the rights"
--So are gays.
"on the basis of their orientation"
--That's a reverse logic way of looking at it. But really, they are not. No one is "protected" from job discrimination "because" they're heterosexual.
"not the targets of criminal acts"
--So no supporters of CA Prop 8 were victims of hate crimes at the hands of gays? Your propaganda is showing it's hand.
NoGuff 2 years ago
Are you saying people supported Prop 8 simply because they were straight?
Crimes based on political views are just as reprehensible as crimes based on a person's orientation. And people on both sides of the debate were targeted and victimized for their political stances. Your martyr complex is showing when you so blatantly misinterpret my statements.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
"Are you saying people supported Prop 8 simply because they were straight?"
--Nice twisting of words. No, I was talking about violence at the hands of gays that you said never happened.
"Crimes based on political views are just as reprehensible as crimes based on a person's orientation"
--A crime is a crime. Creating "hate crime" laws is merely fulfilling agendas of special interest groups.
"when you so blatantly misinterpret my statements"
--Look who's talking.
NoGuff 2 years ago
My point, which you keep purposefully missing, is that gays and lesbians have historically been targeted by violent crime SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY.
Straight people have not faced the same intimidation BECAUSE OF THEIR ORIENTATION.
Matthew Shephard was murdered by two thugs determined to TARGET SOMEONE BECAUSE HE WAS GAY.
No one has been murdered because they supported or opposed Prop. 8. Your comparison is as flawed as it is misleading.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
"No one has been murdered because they supported or opposed Prop. 8"
--I think this is the 1st time you mentioned murder. You were talking before about crime &/or violence. And yes anti-prop 8 people have committed crimes & violence against those voicing the majority opinion. So no my comparison is not flawed.
Murder is murder. Women have been killed because they were women, doesn't make them hate crimes. What about men who have been murdered because someone hated them? This is all ridiculous.
NoGuff 2 years ago
Your comparison is still flawed. You cited scattered reports of vandalism, have yet to name one person charged with assault, and conveniently implied that only people who supported Prop. 8 were targets of these crimes.
And if murder is murder, why do we classify terrorism differently? Are you prepared to argue that terrorists should be subject to the same punishments as murderers because their crimes are, after all, just murder?
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
"implied that only people who supported Prop. 8 were targets of these crimes"
--Why would anti-Prop 8 protesters commit crimes against people either not voting or against Prop 8? Doesn't make sense, like most of what you say. You're high again, aren't you?
"why do we classify terrorism differently?"
--Because terrorism isn't limited to just murder. Plus, there are "degrees" of murder.
Please go away, your incessant buzzing like a fly is truly annoying. You have nothing of substance to offer.
NoGuff 2 years ago
Looks like the Right Wing is doing it's hate related propaganda once again. INDIANA & RHODE ISLAND (where these representatives they show are from) BOTH just voted "YEA" to have this passed. There is still freedom of speech in this country, morons. I guess the producer of this video should be held accountable then huh? If you're on the fence, why don't you ask Matthew Shepard's mother if she thinks this is a necessity.
ctmeziere 2 years ago
Pence and the phony Republicans are SITTING BY and watching as Sotomayor gets appointed, who is a member of La Raza (HELLOO!), she discriminates against White men, and she hates us Whites. The Republicans will do nothing about stopping the persecution of Whites with Hate Crime laws, either. Quit wasting your time voting for useless White Traitor Republicans. NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE. Isn't that what the blacks say? Funny how they are allowed to be violent, but White men commit "hate crimes".
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
Pence is a WHITE TRAITOR. Hate Crime laws aren't "well-intentioned", they are designed to imprison White men, for the crime of simply being as racist as black men, mexican men, chinese men, and every other race on Earth. Pence is a White coward, ass-kissing appeaser who will simply stand by and watch as non-Whites take over America, destroy it, and lock up White men who say anything about it! Fuck Mike Pence. Fuck Republicans. Fuck White coward Traitors who apologize and kiss non-White ass.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
Pence is another useless, Republican liar. He says Hate Crime laws are "well-intentioned". No, they aren't, they're designed to throw White men in prison, period. Until White cowards like Pence admit that all the other races are racist, and that they are intent on tearing down what they perceive to be White Western Civ, they are WASTING OUR TIME and delaying the day when Whites can defend themselves OPENLY against anti-White hatred. They are forestalling when Whites can have communities again.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
The idea that sexual deviants will get away with this behavior if the bill passes, is horrific. And by the way, this bill DOES protect pedophiles.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
Really? Protects pedophiles? Apparently you are an illiterate christian who doesn't understand that sexual orientation has already been defined in the legislature.
Please don't breed.
WellConditioned 2 years ago
Why don't you actually read the proposition instead of believing what others tell you. That is the problem with the country. People do not think for themselves, they just go along with everyone else.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
Why don't you read it? Clearly you haven't.
A judge would laugh your argument out of court. Nothing in this law repeals the criminalization of pedophilia. Nothing in this law prevents the prosecution of pedophilia. Nothing in this law even mentions pedophilia.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
Read it.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
"People do not think for themselves, they just go along with everyone else."
You, nobodyspecial, owe me a new irony meter.
WellConditioned 2 years ago
The bill says that all that hate crimes includes is not JUST murder, but also misdemeanors. In other words, if an adult molests a child and the parent hits or slaps or strikes the molester with a purse, without killing them and maybe not even making a mark, the parent is charged with a felony. Another scenario is if a woman is flashed by a man (this bill protects exhibitionism) and the woman hits him with a purse, then the woman is charged with a felony and the man is charged with a misdemeanor.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
There is still a justice system in place. I don't think any charges will be brought up against a parent hitting someone that just molested their child. That's like saying you'll be charged for shooting someone that broke into your house.
ctmeziere 2 years ago
That is what the bill states. Did you not read the actual document. I did and that is what it says. ANY act of violence against a person with "gender confusion" (as the bill puts it) will be subject to punishment against the supreme court of the United States. That is what it says. A hate crimes bill is made for any form of violence, even if there is a reason behind it.
Killers give reasons all of the time. That does not mean they get away with it. And the justice system is flawed.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
For all of you that are saying it is a religious thing and saying things that they do not know, why don't you actually read the bill before you start saying that these people are saying things that aren't in the bill. First of all, this is not just a religious thing, as we found out with prop 8, because more than half of the country voted for it. And second, the hate crime bill is a step against freedom of speech.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
Half of the country voted for Prop 8? I thought it was only a California thing.
You are indeed, contrary to your namesake, someone very special - a fucking idiot.
Oh, please explain in detail how this bill is a "step against freedom of speech," as my buddies and I need a very good laugh!
WellConditioned 2 years ago
First of all, nice language. I bet you have to be pretty smart to know big words like that. Second of all, if you did know anything about prop 8, you would know that it was not just a California thing. States all over the country voted on various propositions and amendments relating to the same idea. Prop 8 is just a referred name because it was bigger in California. Know your knowledge before you speak, dude. Otherwise your just embarrassing yourself.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
You're quite the idiot. The various ballot propositions across the country take many different forms, and this issue has been subdivided so much that a No vote on Florida's bill is not the same thing as a No vote on California's.
But keep up with the rhetorical dancing. It's entertaining to watch you contort facts and statements to fit your agenda.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
Hey Senator DeMint (R-SC), didn't a young man by the name of Sean Kennedy get murdered in your state and killer spent only one year in prison? This country was founded by the people, for the people - NOT by the church, for the church. The law would expand the law already in effect to include crimes motivated by a victim's actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. You only focus on the gay community. Guess women and the disabled be damned also.
CBEntr 2 years ago
Well, women and the disabled aren't an emotional hot-button issue. And if the Senator were to actually have read and understood the bill correctly, neither would the proposed legislation be an emotional hot-button issue.
Instead, he's made far-reaching claims (think, "I invented the Internet" or something along those lines...) that really just prove he's in office because he plays people's emotions well, not because he's a man of integrity.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
This vid is proof that religion is stupid.
jerrydoubleu 2 years ago
No Jerry W., if anything, it is proof that these are small, scared men, incapable of a basic understanding of the Constitution and the proposed bill itself. These men have not thought through to the possibility that the bill is going to pass, and that in two, four, or six years when they are running for re-election, they will have provided an easy "Chicken Little" moment for their opponents to base an ad on.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
religion is always finally used to justify selfish ends, so it's dumb.
jerrydoubleu 2 years ago
You're entitled to that opinion, but the faith that I know and hold to be true commands its followers to give of themselves to the world, to love the unloved, and to feed and clothe the hungry and naked.
I think if Christ's followers spent more time obeying his call to serve, and less time in self-righteous condemnation, the world might have a better impression of us.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
This is a good hate video. lying, misleading, nonfactual. Hate crimes bill is only to follow up on crime that locals may think is ok, like detective work and prosecution of people who hurt minorities, who the local authorities refuse to protect.
jerrydoubleu 2 years ago
Okay, if someone kills a gay person they should be charged with murder not murder + hate crime. Thats bullshit, my life is just as important as a gay persons.
l1nuxun1l 2 years ago
If you read the law and how it would be amended, you will find the words 'motivated by'. It doesn't state that if someone is murdered that automatically it is a hate crime. The hate crime law in effect already has 'race' in it, that does not mean that everytime someone of any race is murdered or attacked it is a hate crime. These holier than thou politicians are theocrats. They would rather have a theocracy than a democracy. They cherry pick the bible to support their bigotry.
CBEntr 2 years ago
Excellent summary! Unfortunately these "good" "loving" "christian" republicans are somewhat oblivious to their own - you know, the "sanctity of marriage" shit. One man, one woman, and a CONCUBINE IN ARGENTINA! Or, one man, one woman, and a DC MADAM WHORE WITH DIAPERS! Oh wait! In the "good" "christian" way - one man, one woman and a PAID SLUT (with severance) AND the "good" "christian's" parents giving such slut $100,000 for "family suffering." Yeah, she suffered from christian COCK.
WellConditioned 2 years ago
Ok, u don't understand. The hate crimes bill is only to make sure the person is found and prosecuted when local authorities decline to work hard on the case. That's all..
and you're right your life is just as important, and if you're murdered the police et al will not stop investigating since you're not gay. The treatment under the law is meant to be equal.
jerrydoubleu 2 years ago
ok
i got it, this bill is crazy, but i think is a distraccion so the conservatives dont stand in the way of the health care bill, crafty
Licurgoknox 2 years ago
No, it is not a distraction. It is a legitimate request that the federal government support the investigation of crimes meant to terrorize targeted minorities...
Such as Christians, gays, Latinos, or the mentally ill.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago 2
Any crime prosecuted as a hate crime adds the burden of proof of bias to the prosecutors job. A hate crimes law cannot legally abridge the first amendment. any federal judge would strike it down immediately and it would never be enforced. Nothing in the law as written endangers anyone's religion or church. If you are sued and win in court the plaintiff will have to pay your legal bills. Ask norm coleman how much he paid Franken.
savebury 2 years ago
sglibrarian, it appears you slept through the part of civics class where they covered government. If you hadn't, you would know that not all governments are the same, and you would know that unlike those nations you mentioned, the USA has an iron-clad guarantee of free expression in the form of the First Amendment.
You would also know that laws in no way can violate the Constitution. This knowledge would then tell you that no judge could possibly rule against free speech using this law.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago 2
If a preacher can vote & lobby to have the gov. tell me I dont not have the right to hold a job, kiss in public, get married (cause I am gay); then why cant I lobby to tell him that he cannot tell others that I'm going to hell and that I'm an abom. to God. True separation of C&S, then let me be and I will let u be! But wasnt it only 50 years or so ago preachers were preaching that it was an abomination to have a wife work outside the home & for interracial couples to get married.
ThereIsAnEasierWay 2 years ago 2
You're advocating the use of government to stomp on other people's rights because they make you feel bad. That is the real face of fascism. If someone doesn't like you then get over it. But if you think you can use the government to force people's opinion that means people like me who didnt want to get involved are going to do so out of infringement on my rights. Freedom of Speech shall not be infringed. The government didn't grant that right, nature did and fascists like you take it away.
thomaserossi 2 years ago
His point was that he would like to be left to his own perfectly legal devices, and that the preacher ought not to advocate against his equality. Since the preacher has, he is defending his rights in the best way he knows how.
I might also add a point here... Thomas your behavior towards others in this forum leads me to believe that you are not a Christian. If you are, then you clearly have a plank in your eye that needs seeing to before you can accurately address others.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
There is nothing that says that you cannot work. That is ludicrous. A human being has the right to work and i do not know where you are getting that from. Also, no one says that you cannot kiss in public. I do not know where you are getting these outlandish claims, but they are not true.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
In 31 states, I can legally be fired simply for being gay.
Despite the US Supreme Court Case, Lawrence v. Texas, several states still have "decency laws" that have been used against same-sex couples who kissed in public. Texas would be one example, and there are others.
Our "outlandish claims" are based on our treatment at the hands of our fellow citizens, and our government. I personally have been thrown off a bus for giving my then-boyfriend a peck on the cheek.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
I am sorry for what you have gone through. I cannot control those people and anyone who does that and calls themselves a Christian is not exhibiting Christ-like behavior.
That said, you cannot be "legally" fired for any reason other than poor performance. These issues dealing with firing because of sexuality preference are not under the Constitution, title 7 of the civil rights act of 1964, legal. The employers might do it, but it is not legal.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
The real issue is that homosexuals are comparing their so-called oppressive movement to the black oppressive movement. You need to stop that now. Homosexuality is not a genetic thing (that has been proven) it is a choice and the fact that you are comparing you "sufferings" to the civil rights movement of the 60's is not only appalling to me and every other person for traditional marriage, but also to the black community. Stop considering yourself a race. You are not.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
That is not, nor has it ever been, the "real" issue. No one community has a monopoly on "civil rights," unless you're willing to argue that Christians have never struggled for civil rights either.
In fact, lgbts have long been prominently involved in fighting for and achieving equality for other oppressed groups. Unless you've forgotten about Bayard Rustin, the gay man who was a counselor and confidant of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
The fact that a gay man was friends with Martin Luther King Jr. does not mean that homosexuals should be treated as a race of people. You are not a race. You have a choice and you weren't born that way. Obviously, black people cannot change the color of their skin.
And as far a civil rights go, yes everyone should have the same civil rights, but I was not talking about that. I was talking about the gay community comparing themselves to blacks. There is no comparison.
nobodyspecial450 2 years ago
"You need to stop that now. Homosexuality is not a genetic thing (that has been proven)"
A BIG citation needed on this one, moron. Obviously you've never been exposed to biology.
Get out of the stone-aged christian cunt era and get educated.
WellConditioned 2 years ago
End all hate now!
It will be wonderful when America becomes the mexifag mecca!
Craigbe 2 years ago
laws dont woth the ink that they written, cops and prosecutors choose which laws to enforce, in some places homosexuality is a crime, but is not enforced, adultery is a crime in some places also.
Licurgoknox 2 years ago
Regarding my previous comment: I accidentally wrote "HRC". I, of course, meant "FRC". Wow this video is so full of lies. Hate crimes legislation does not affect speech and there's no way one can be charged with a hate crime for not "hiring a homosexual". That's DISCRIMINATION.
FallenAngelIII 2 years ago 2
Pastors are not excluded from prosecution. Otherwise they could preach against the black community. I bet Bishop Jackson wouldn't like that, or would he like to protect the speech of KKK Pastors?
fanagot 2 years ago
Anyone using their First Amendment rights would still be immune from prosecution. Hate speech is protected... A white supremacist can still say what they like about their twisted concepts of racial superiority.
Grounds for prosecution begin when speech crosses the line into things like incitement to violence, which would be a clear call for illegal/terroristic attacks on a particular community or minority.
Once again, no rights of free expression are curtailed by this bill.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago 2
When these laws have been rolled out in other nations - Canada, Germany, England, Australia, etc. - the net effect is indeed a curtailment of free speech. Pastors and those critical of immigration or the gay pressure movements have been targeted. It HAS happened and there is little reason to think the same will not occur here.
I'd say better safe than sorry and let's not get these wacky laws on the books in the first place.
sglibrarian 2 years ago
I can't believe I need to explain this, but we are not Canada, Germany, England, or any of the other countries that you mention.
Your claim that this Act of Congress will curtail free speech does not hold water. We all know that the Constitution is the highest law in the USA. The Constitution is amended (changed) through a very specific process. An Act of Congress is not sufficient to amend. Any high school student who didn't sleep through their civics class could tell you that.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
These men are Viagra and Cialis addicts. The truth must be said.
fanagot 2 years ago
The hate crimes legislation in the Senate does not censor pastors. It only will effect those who encourage violence against LGBT people.
xjamesstephenx 2 years ago
Another question occurs to me on this video...
Why don't they quote or show us the actual text from the proposed bill? Bills introduced and debated in open sessions (as this one has been) are a matter of public record even before they are passed. It can't possibly be that hard to get hands on a copy. Checked their site and no link to the Hate Crimes bill there, either.
Would it be that they think the text of the bill would undermine their misrepresentations of it?
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
Hate crimes have to do with terrorizing a community not one person
illinoisisboring 2 years ago
I'm not advocating violence against gays. I disagree with them, but I can coexist. I just don't know if they need hate crime status when crimes are committed against them. I mean, why should a criminal be punished more severely when they commit a crime against one person, than another? I'd be thoroughly ticked off, if someone robbed a gay person and another person robbed me, but the guy who robbed the gay was put away and the guy who robbed me was walking the streets. How is that justice?
NCAirman1988 2 years ago
NCAirman1988, this bill would not let someone who committed a crime against you walk free because you are straight. It would also not punish someone extra simply because the victim happened to be gay. (Or Christian or deaf or Latino...)
If the crime was committed with the express intent to terrorize or target a person based on their sexuality (or religion or disability status or ethinicity), then and only then would the bill's sentencing provisions take effect.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
hit the nail on the head, buddy.
khattamshud 2 years ago
These people are crazy paranoids. They are in congress and they don't understand? Are they really that slow? How did they get elected? They have to know what it means. Its a hate crime when the pastor shows up at the front door of the gay person's house with torches and pitch forks... maybe that's what they are afraid of ... their right to linch in the name of the lord!
illinoisisboring 2 years ago
The biggest problem I have with this video is that when my son or daughter studies American History, it or something very much like it will be shown as part of the curriculum on the struggle for equality.
Then I'll have to explain how people could be so full of hate and/or self-righteousness that they actively sought to deny reasonable civil protections to a persecuted minority class.
I really honestly think that might be tougher than talking to them about drugs...
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
Very simple. Just DECIDE what you WANT to be and that's what you WILL be. I decided to join the military, therefore, I did. I decided, to marry my wife, therefore, I did. I decided to pursue a degree in Civil Engineering and I am currently enrolled. The way I see it, there is very little in life that you can't at least somewhat control. God is all powerful, of course. He wants us to do the right thing, but He doesn't force us to. We still have the option of following our own will.
NCAirman1988 2 years ago
NCAirman1988, I did "decide" not to be gay. Many, many, many times. With MUCH prayer. It did not work.
Have you ever thought that, much like the color of my eyes, perhaps my sexuality is also something I cannot change, but only disguise in an effort to deceive or please others?
Your argument about choosing to marry your wife ignores the fact that (evidently) you are straight. Your experience with sexuality is likely very different from that of gays and lesbians.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
It SHOULD be a hate crime to hurt a "homosexual" and not hire one or fire one. Homosexuals are U.S. citizens and have the same rights as everyone else. How dare DeMint say that we are "raising the status of people who are counter cultural". I didn't realize there were different statuses or classes of people in the United States of America. I thought we were "all created equal" and that it is "self evident" that we should have the same right to "life, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS".
dmacinca 2 years ago
I would like to point out two other things:
1. The Matthew Shepard/Hate Crimes bill will not now or ever be used to circumvent anyone's First Amendment rights to freedom of expression. There's a reason freedom of expression is first in the bill of rights and the ACLU (among others) has long fought to protect it, contrary to what one of the commentators opines.
2. I hear no one protesting (or even mentioning) the fact that this bill would extend the same protections to Christians as to gays.
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
Wrong. You're completely and utterly wrong. Do a Youtube search on Free Speech in the Netherlands (the 1st country in the world to have free speech), Canada, Great Britain, Sweden, or Germany. Everything you said it wrong. It is not based on any evidence whatsoever. In every instance, in every country it has led to the destruction of Free Speech. Hate Crime laws have also led to the privledging of differences. One group become elevated to sacrosanct and becomes the dominant voice.
Sig Heil!
thomaserossi 2 years ago 2
I think hate crimes should only apply to natural things that are out of the individual's control, such as race. Homosexuality is purely a choice, like many things in our life. No one is born with it. If I decided to rob a bank, could I say that I was born with that instinct? Even if some of the behavior is instinct, fighting your instincts is part of being a civilized human being. Its what separates us from the animals.
NCAirman1988 2 years ago
If homosexuality is a choice, please explain why I was raised to believe that it is immoral, and very strongly cleaved to that belief, but yet still ended up gay? Also, please explain why, if it was a "choice" I made, my tears and earnest prayers weren't enough for God to remove it from my life? And then explain why so many gay and lesbian children of fundamentalist families report the same or similar experiences. (FYI, I'm still Christian, still gay, but no longer hate myself for it.)
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
Being gay is not a choice. No one would actively choose to be one of the most socially dejected and religiously hated groups. There is mounds of scientific evidence that shows this to be true. Not to mention the thousands of animal species that homosexuality has been observed it. Sounds pretty natural to me.
NicholasJohn16 2 years ago 4
the bible has been miss used to justify sexism raceism and homophobia how funny they are for hate crime for the first to and not the last one
gothicsoul100 2 years ago 3
This is your brain on stupid. Tax the church and watch the tyranny and golden towers of its leaders fall.
Fuck your imaginary gods, you will be demolished!
secretMachine 2 years ago 3
Oh look, a new generation of supremacists confidently arguing against treating yet another minority group of human beings as fully equal citizens. Imagine white supremacists arguing against the Civil Rights Act out of fear that their bigotry would become less mainstream. No, you don't need to imagine that. Just watch this video. It's the same old immoral heinous evil supremacist ideology reborn but just targeted at a different group of people.
patrickometry 2 years ago 5
Nobody says preachers won't be able to say that teh filthy gays are filthy. That's free speech and hate crimes legislation does not apply to speech at all unless that sort of speech is ALREADY limited, such as suggesting that people be killed.
The suggestion that anyone could be prosecuted for saying that gays are nasty and immoral is just blatantly false.
ItCameFromATestTube 2 years ago 2
When did an emotion become a crime?
Silveracity 2 years ago
It's not the emotion, or the speech; it is a hate crime when such hatred is acted on. It is to protect minority classes who are at a higher risk for being attacked, simply for who they are.
ActsOfBeauty 2 years ago
Wouldn't that act already be a crime?
Silveracity 2 years ago
I note all Repugs - it just figures they'd haul our red herring arguments against a hate crimes bill. BTW, if you look at the stats the most attacked groups are Blacks, Jews and Gays.
Just like that old Disco tune, There But For the Grace Of God, remember?
kd1s 2 years ago
All of you who are saying this is untrue are either totally deceived, or you don't want to know the truth. Hate crimes laws are being used right now in Canada, Sweden, and other countries to jail ministers who simply want to let people know what the Bible says about harmful lifestyles.
Why would you want to suppress truth?
dsasse1 2 years ago
While this is true in some countries, and rightfully so as to not repeat history with another Adolf Hitler, YOU are the one who is deceived. In this law is a specific protection for religious speech. In no way can anyone be targeted for speaking against homosexuality. Read it.
And stop lying!
WellConditioned 2 years ago 2
Then why only homosexuality? What about your ten commandments? Why aren't we stoning to death adulterers, children who disrespect their parents, those who work on the Sabbath, etc.? Why aren't we hearing about, and indeed, performing these gruesome executions required by your ten commandments? Pleasae explain! If you believe the bible is the truth, then you are indeed in DIRE need of an education.
Please, don't breed.
WellConditioned 2 years ago 2
Lewisz9 - you are not clear what your point is but I think I can help. Men are faliable and these men are wrong- wrong on their INTERPRETATION of the bible. Are we to believe that these men have Gods ear and mindset? Not my god!
Wolfienky 2 years ago
The restrictions of speach they are speaking about is the loss of their tax exempt status by the church when they decide to become politically active- which they should lose their tax exempt status when they want to make public policy. These senators are trying to give the church political power with their perversion of the trueth. This MUST end if our society is going to progress beyond the 19th century. I agree with another blogger - they're going to burn in the very hell they preach about.
Wolfienky 2 years ago
Really! You will always have freedom of speech. However, if you are telling your church members to shun/not hire/... a homosexual then that is spreading hate.
The right wing is grasping on to whatever they can. Many of the gays I know ( not all) are much better people than most of us. They should have more protections. They are not tearing up the roads driving kids everywhere, yet they pay more taxes...
Oh and David Barton at 1:27 is a big old closet case.
Grahamzentouch 2 years ago
If my representative in government were to say that a Hate Crime bill will outlaw speech from the pulpit... He would be replaced come election time. What a person says during a crime is secondary to the crime.
jpatrickd 2 years ago
Whatever happened to the concept of separation of church and state? Seems this bill crosses that line with a blitzkrieg...
That's kind of an appropriate way of putting it..these tactics are similar to what Hitler used against the Jews in Germany..
Herd4life 2 years ago
I'm certain they're building Concentration Camps as we speak.
JuliusFirefly 2 years ago
You have it completely backwards. There was NO separation of church and state in Nazi Germany, which is exactly how Hitler used christianity to instill such a hatred towards the Jews that led to their extermination - exactly the same scenario these filthy christians right here desire - a complete suppression of the GLBT community into oblivion.
WellConditioned 2 years ago 2
How do can some people lie THAT MUCH and still be taken serious by any American citizen with half a brain??? Stupid shit!
PS.. Say what you want about me LOL but I just have to say it... the dude in this video @ 1:27 ... Mr. David Barton, President of Wallbuilders needs to come out the closet!!! LMAO Girl that lip gloss your wearing is POP'IN!! THAT LIP GLOSS IS COOOOL!! LMAO WOW! How can you tell all those anti-gay LIES with all that LIP GLOSS on??????
Giirrrll Dammnnn....
PiecesMended6 2 years ago
Wow, is nobody who disagrees with this or any other conservative value capable of any discussion that doesn't attack others?
I didn't realize Christians are the only ones who aren't allowed to express what they believe. Everyone else can say whatever they want however they want to whomever they please... but WHOA... you say something that comes from the bible, you're a bigot and hateful.
Smells like a double standard to me. Try practicing some common sense.
thejohnelson 2 years ago
Good points.
Of course, there is still just the little matter of the fact that they invented all of their evidence.
But, yes, they should be allowed to express their views no matter how little relevance, truth or anything else for that matter they are based on.
I am right with you!
misterstogy 2 years ago
Typical hard-core christian values = "we should be able to physically and verbally abuse who we want and while we're at it, demean them, degrade them. After all God says we can." ..Yahh God's love at it's finest. I can't wait for the day when these bigots are in the minority.
OneLittleDeath 2 years ago
Lie after lie after "good christian" lie.
I hope there is a hell - every one of these anti-gay lying pieces of shit are going straight there.
WellConditioned 2 years ago 2
wow...so they want to be able to have hate crime legal.
jocandle 2 years ago 2
I just saw the black dude at the end on the 700 club; he said Mathew Shepard didn't die in a hate crime but a drug deal gone bad...what a bunch of LIES. This bill has nothing to do with censoring churches, they can continue to preach their hateful crap under the first amendment.
TommySwatt 2 years ago 2
This Bill is about hate CRIMES. The constitution and the Bill of Rights allows you the freedom to say what you want. what is said may be hurtful, ignorant, and plain wrong but it's not a crime. This video is evidence of that. Therefore the arguments being made in this video have no merit. It is disturbing that this ignorant representative and Senator on this video are helping to make the laws in this country. There is no excuse for them not to know the Constiution or the Bill of Rights.
Bmuskie 2 years ago 3
There is not a syllable of truth in this video.
For a putatively Christian organization, the FRC sure does bear an awful lot of false witness.
Do these creeps understand that it is possible to look stuff up and determine that what they're saying is all BS?
What a hateful bunch of lying cowards.
And on simple aesthetic terms, this video is just boring. Are all the good editors gay Commies or something?
johnandrewwalsh 2 years ago 6
What? Lies? From the HRC? SHOCK!
FallenAngelIII 2 years ago
I believe it's FRC that has a compulsion to lie, not HRC.
rg0057 2 years ago 2
Shame on you FRC. Nobody is censoring families or churches. There obviously is an exception in the law for religious speech, so the main argument in this video is INVALID. Your organization uses people's ignorance to spread messages of hatred. If you don't like the hate crimes bill, then you ought to have yourself removed from its protection. Otherwise, you're being hypocritical.
nickboston88 2 years ago 3
1st, I am not religious in any way shape or form. 2nd, I'm gay. Having said that, hate crime law is redundant. If someone is murdered, the murderer should be punished REGARDLESS of the victims race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Murder is murder - we already have laws against it. HCLs distract from relevant issues, waste taxpayer money, waste time on local and federal levels, allow otherwise usless politicians to appear important, and provide both parties with ammo for propaganda like this.
trojoe 2 years ago
HCL's also make "gay panic" defenses unsustainable in strongly anti-gay districts, just as they protected African-Americans against acts of violence when local juries "give it a pass." They also reduce the frequency of crimes committed to scare away groups deemed "undesirable."
And no, not all murders are the same. Punishment has always been strongly tied to the circumstances and the motivation. And the murder of a protected group is NOT automatically a hate crime. Nor is anti-gay preaching.
glorpy2 2 years ago 2
If these congress members keep on spewing these lies they should not expect to gain congressional seats in 2010. I do vote for Republicans, but I am not as enthused to support the party with money or volunteer time.
If they are so against hate crimes, they should remove the hate crime protection they have as members of congress.
mmunson 2 years ago
i want to slap the guy at sec 0:56
what ignorant folk!
jorgewe07 2 years ago 3
This propaganda video talks about how it will quell free speech in church, which is a huge lie. If you read the bill you will notice there is an exception for religious speech. This is just a scare tactic used to frighten the ignorant. Shame on these GOP senators.
This bill doesn't only affect homosexuals but women and others. Congress needs to pass this law now!
alanrcrouch 2 years ago 7
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MrNoelRodriguez 2 years ago
He just got back from a rainbow party.
AAL 2 years ago
so let me get this stright 24 of my sisters were murdered last year. Because they presented as women. Thats NOT A HATE CRIME??? Im sorry but thats not right. Mathew Shepard Act needs to get passed. And no it does not go against churches. Your leaders know you dont read the laws before calling. Go read the law and then take sides dont let a reverand that is getting PAID to say things like this sway your vote.
sexy21amy 2 years ago 5
opps that was "straight" sorry
sexy21amy 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Hate crime legislation=going after freedom of speech.
ReconDevastatorFTW 2 years ago
Not in the least. You can legally walk down the street screaming, "I hate n*ggers, k*kes. sp*cs, b*tches and f*gs!" The body of law can't stop you.
But if you commit an act of violence against those groups and *justify* it with those opinions, that shouldn't be protected by law, and is a very different offense from going after a member of that group for their money.
glorpy2 2 years ago 6
The point of Hate Crimes legislation is NOT to give one group more protection than others, but to make sure morons like those speaking in this video aware that when violence is committed against a certain group because of gender, sexuality, race or religion, it IS a crime. If not for their bigotry, the legislation would be entirely unnecessary.
Congress has no power to pass any laws pertaining to any religion. This pathetic scare tactic only displays why Hate Crimes laws are necessary.
Ontir 2 years ago 5
wow - so which part of "separation between church and state" are these guys NOT understanding. All of it?
jackal242 2 years ago 4
Excellent point Jackal.
Could you imagine the outrage if they belonged to any other religion?
soapstarj0e 2 years ago 2
Idiots...If a Christian were targeted for violence just because they were Christian, then that crime could be tried as a hate crime.
Hate crimes are so damaging because they target a community, not just an individual.
soapstarj0e 2 years ago 5
This is rich. Gays get beaten, bullied, and murdered yet somehow the church is the victim.....
TheTruthHurts9999 2 years ago 9
This video makes all kinds of false statements. The senators and representatives who spoke in this video are making accusations that free speech would be in jeopardy. In reality, the legislation is trying to make sure everyone can live without fear of being beaten, spit upon, or verbally abused for being who they are. I'm pretty sure that Jesus wouldn't be very supportive of legislating hate.
robstow 2 years ago 6
Wow I didn't realize that limiting the speech of Christian leaders in one area was in any way comparable to the discrimination, assault, and murder of homosexual individuals. Oh - and I love that the group sponsoring this has the word "research" in their name. What kind of research do they perform? Clearly nothing related to actual science or psychology, or they would realize that homosexuality is natural...
Seibzehn 2 years ago 7
If you support this video, I have one thing to say.
With all of the other subjects in the bible, and all of the other horrible sins that are going on in the world today, why is this such a red flag? It's two men loving each other or two women... loving each other. Since when is love a sin?
blueishealth1 2 years ago 5
When they are having more fun then fundies?
AAL 2 years ago
I had to google those but that is crazy! But yes, sex is part of a relationship. Is that a problem?
blueishealth1 2 years ago
There are SO many lies here. But in interest of space, I want to just point to one.
Around 1:25, David Barton COMPLETELY mireps the way the Gohmert amendment was addressed in judiciary committee! Not one congressmember suggested what Barton says they did. The amendment was shot down b/c it is unneeded!
See it for yourself: Google "transcript090422.pdf" and dowload the transcript. The Gohmert exchange begins on page 154.
Bearing false witness? FRC sees no issue!
goodasyou 2 years ago 7
What is wrong with these people... Why are they so hateful... This is shameful to see religion used in such a way. Have they forgotten what religion was originally intended, or was about? God is Love, not divisionism or hatred. Also, it's not all about what you read or what you say-but what you do, that matters most to God. What these "so called" concerned Christians are doing-is pure evil. I recognize these faces, the white ones-are prejudiced, the black is simply a fool. Shame on the Church!
ksm1031 2 years ago 7
So are we going to end up like China and take away freedom of religion? They have even edited the Bible and the only way to engage in religion legally is to attend a church that is registered, yet, those churches that are registered have edited scriptures. Teaching what the entire scriptures say is illegal. That is basically what would be happening here. So therefore our government would be just like the CCP taking away our right to teach and believe all of scripture......mind control.
mistyluvr 2 years ago
Haha wow, you're hilarious m8.
You mean like how the Bible was edited since the very hour it was created? Look at the countless empires that did it! Thousands of translations, different authors, books taken out, replaced, edited for political control, Councils of Nicea. I can guarantee you we didn't have the same Bible we did 1500 yrs. ago.
Kahnstable81 2 years ago 7
Yesterday, Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) introduced so-called "hate crimes" legislation as an amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill. wHAT A BUNCH OF WEASELS!!!
georgiahalloran 2 years ago
Yes, because Republican's have *never* ever used that sort of tactic to pass a law...
/end sarcasm
blueminneapolis 2 years ago
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Jesusfemme 2 years ago
I'm proud I live in America. My Episcopal church does not have the limited beliefs these men are promoting. Please do not think every church is promoting these limiting ideas. We love everyone, and invite all to come PRAY WITH US this Sunday. See ya'll there! Praise the Lord.
girlytoads 2 years ago 5