Gundam Crossover - Rau Rey Shinn vs Heero Wufei

[xilhouette]

i laughed at shin always getting his sword sliced into half

[KionKamon]

@BowToWard86 I'd have to disagree althogh Zechs landed several hits with the beam saber, the Heavyarms was unaffected. Also not to glorify Heero, but he was the best pilot in Wing due to the fact that he managed to not only match Zechs's skill with the Epyon in close combat but to beat him as well. As for things in UC there are atleast two MS that could take on gundams from wing and they are the High-Nu Gundam and the Unicorn Gundam.

[BowToWard86]

@KionKamon

I was just responding to someone who asked if Heero ever lost a fight.

One could argue the battle had no real victor, but with Heavyarms completely out of ammo and on the ropes against Tallgeese, Zechs sure as hell didn't lose.

I also think Heero is the best pilot in Wing, if not the entire Gundam metaverse. Those 7 years of training were well spent.

[KionKamon]

@BowToWard86 I'd have to disagree althogh Zechs landed several hits with the beam saber, the Heavyarms waas unaffected. Also not to glorify Heero, but he was the best pilot in Wing due to the fact that he managed to not only match Zechs's skill with the Epyon in close combat but to beat him as well. As for things in UC there are atleast two MS that could take on gundams from wing and they are the High-Nu Gundam and the Unicorn Gundam.

[KionKamon]

@BowToWard86 I'd have to disagree with you on the battle Heero had using the Heavyarms, because although true that Zechs landed more beam saber strikes, they did nothing the gundam's armor. Also Heero was actually the best pilot in Wing, I can say this due to the fact that he's able to match Zechs in terms of close combat when Zechs was using the Epyon. Also there are probably some things in UC that could take on the gundams from wing. High Nu is one, the Unicorn is another.

[9540144]

My favorite launching quote is still the very 1st pilot featured Rau's. (I'll give it a try. Anything that man can do, I'm sure I can do just as well.) THIS IS RAU LE CREUSET, PROVIDENCE TAKING OFF!

[9540144]

ZAFT:

The 1st pilot Rau is a madman who just wants the world to be destroyed.

The 2nd pilot Rey is a failed clone (just like Rau) that is superbly good at manipulation, he can manipulate someone till that guy doesn't know what on earth he or she is doing.

The 3rd pilot Shinn, is a easy to manipulate guy. Wants to save the world, but got manipulated by Rey and sided him. Taken the wrong path

[Agamerfr0zed]

heero and wufei is such a great combo.

[9540144]

@Agamerfr0zed same for Shinn and the 2 failed clones

[Syranus66]

i just got an idea. Triez vs rau in a debate. idk just putting it out there

[SchizoFilms]

I think all this is kind of a load. The mobile suits here are all plot-armored to different extents, and, well, Wing has more plot armor than any Gundam, ever. Even a die-hard UC fan has to admit Wing would beat any unit from the UC, just because it's so heavily plot armored.

Pit most pilots, in the same unit, though, against each other, and Heero and Chang come out at the bottom tier, based on skill.

[ApostleSatanail]

@SchizoFilms I'm not arguing differently myself. I didn't make this to glorify Heero, I made it because it was something I wanted to do, but since it was Wing Zero... against a slow suit like Providence where you can just circle around while firing TBR and fire at a suit that can barely move... It's no contest really.

[9540144]

@ApostleSatanail well dun forget that 1, Providence is filled with DRAGOONs and 2, that madman Rau Le Creuset is an adept tactician (that's why Patrick Zala trusts him so much)

[darksword101]

@ApostleSatanail Personally I think it has less due to armor in wing and more due to the fact that when a main character pilots the defense rating of the mobile suit even if it's a leo goes up. In srw terms this would mean the wing main characters for some reason have a very high defense stat.

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms By 'plot armor' I'm assuming you mean Gundanium? I think you just refer to it that way because it's extremely durable and you're grasping for some kind of way to make it fair in a crossover when compared to anything else. Gundarium/Luna titanium is ridiculously strong, just not as strong as it's counterpart. The same can be said for the rare metal hybrid composite alloy from G Gundam. You just need a big enough beam cannon to destroy it - it isn't invincible. Knowledge!

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion I don't mean its strength, but its inconsistency. Sometimes, it's awesome, but when the plot needs it, the armor's no better than tinfoil. All Gundams (one could argue all mobile suits) have this, but in Wing, it's particularly bad. And, while I feel bad saying this, SEED at least had the decency to explain its plot armor effect.

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms Eh? You're gonna need to explain this one.

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion Plot armor is the term applied to, really, anything that has varying level of effect throughout the work it's shown in. For example, one episode, it takes 10 seconds for Gundam to combine in mid-air, but the next, it inexplicably takes 5, or even the opposite effect. All Gundams rely on plot armor, as their weapons and armor show varying strength, but of all of them, at least SEED had the decency to name its plot armor Phase Shift, and attribute it to batteries. It was clever, at least.

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms Oh THAT! Dude, you're probably in for a surprise, but when it takes ten seconds for it to transform, what the illustrator is trying to do is show the viewers the entire process of the transformation. It's like with any other anime with transformation: In the show's reality, it happens in mere seconds, even in less than a second, like for Unit 01 when it transformed and took to the sky to slice that Rep's jet in half.

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms And wait...you didn't know Gundanium, Gundarium, etc, had a name? And I guess you can refer to it as plot-armor, because the armor has a lot to do with the very plot since it gives them their extreme durability. It's varying performance, however, I have yet to notice. Always has something to do with the weapon and what they're hit with, how, when, and where at.

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion I know all about Gundanium, Gundarium, Luna Titanium, and all of the like. I consider myself a Gundam veteran; the only series I haven't seen all of is ZZ, and even then, I have seen the end of it.

But you missed a point. I don't mean artistic transformation. That's whatever. I mean plot transformation, when something transforms at different rates, without showcasing. RX-78-2 does this a few times, and varies greatly from given figures, depending on the needs of the plot.

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms Oh you were talking about that! Multi-unit transformation. I thought you meant single. Basically you're talking about Impulse, Double Zeta, etc. That's actually at the whim of the pilot because it revolves around synchronization. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes he/she can do it sooner, given that it's a laser-guided system. It can go either way since it's not just a single unit transforming with integrated equipment (Example: Unit-01, Wing Zero, Zeta, Murasame, Veritechs, etc

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion You're missing the point. The point is, Wing Gundam is incredibly plot-armored, past the point of logic and reason. If it needs to be damaged, it'll take a dent, otherwise, it's impermeable. The way they articulate it in the series doesn't matter, it's still inconsistent with any form of reality.

And don't lecture me about semantics, and don't call them veritechs. Variable Fighter will do just fine.

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms .. I thought I just gave you a valid point. But you'll think what you want regardless, sooo you do that. Lectures are for people that need them, and you seemed like you needed it...then threw it aside with a sortof "no you-esque" remark. And Veritech brings the point across - and it's what they're called.. The term Variable Fighter is used for fighters that can also be used as bombers. It's whichever - you seem to be gettin kinda bent outta shape soo peace.

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion No, Veritech is their term in Robotech, but they originated in Macross, where for the last 29 years, they've been called Variable Fighters. Hence, VF at the beginning of all of their names. (VF-1, VF-4, VF-11, VF-14, etc) The term that is used for fighters than can be used as bombers is F/A or Fighter-Attacker.

My Gundam fights with its fingers, your argument is invalid.

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms Not sure what that last quote meant, but Veritech and Variable Fighter mean the exact same thing for the series, except in reality, it has to do with an aircraft like a Harrier or the F-22. Veritech is just a shortened term for it. It's the reason people in an Osprey don't say "I'm heading over in the Vertical Take Of and Lift vehicle now, ETA ten minutes!" No, they say 'Osprey'.. >_> Lemme be frank: are you that willing to argue pointlessly off topic? Oh nevermind..

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms Not sure what that last quote meant, but Veritech and Variable Fighter mean the exact same thing for the series, except in reality, it has to do with an aircraft like a Harrier or the F-22. Veritech is just a shortened term for it. It's the reason people in an Osprey don't say "I'm heading over in the Vertical Take Of and Lift vehicle now, ETA ten minutes!" No, they say 'Osprey.. >_> Lemme be frank: are you that willing to argue pointlessly off topic? Oh nevermind..

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion And in Macross, they say "VF Squadrons, launch!" or sometimes, "Valkyrie Squadrons..." In fact, the term Veritech is never used outside of Robotech. In The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, the anime which started it, they are never referred to as such, nor are they in any sequel. You call a V-22 Osprey an Osprey, yeah, but what of the nearly 20 VFs? Would you call them all Valkyries, even though 19 aren't? Or say "Vee-Eff" and know right then, there are giant robot planes involved?

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms No, I'd use 'VT' for anything that could transform, and 'Fighters' for anything that couldn't transform. If it's a VF-22S Sturmvogel II? A VT. VF-17S Nightmare? A VT. A favorite: The YF-19? A VT. Why? Because that's what it is. VT's the term that goes for everything, like VF. Same reason why Mobile Suits are also called Mobile Weapons, or Mechs, even though the term's rarely used, if at all in a given series. Sooo, yeah, to answer your question.

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion But they're not referred to by that nomenclature in any canon. Only the VF-1 and VF-ALPHA and BETA from Robotech are ever called VT, (Well, excepting Variable Trainers from Macross) and they're not part of Macross canon.

You can't win an argument on invalid facts >.>

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms o_o I'm not trying to win an argument over something that everyone can relate to. It doesn't matter what they're called canon-wise, it's what people refer to them as. You try to be too literal, an obvious fan thing, whereas others might just call it what they know it as. We went from funnels in Gundam to something as retarded as what who wants to call a mech what in another anime... >__>..alrighty then! Look, if you find a show funnels're used anywhere on the ground, lemme know!

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion Trololololololololololololol

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms Oi, Mr. Trololo, I found out somethn' that made me say "Y'knowwhat? Who cares if funnels never worked in the atmosphere on Gundam! They can in reality any ways!". Lookup Lockheed Martin's MKV.

[SchizoFilms]

@Fuzion CANON > REAL WORLD

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms lawl

[Fuzion]

@SchizoFilms Oh and I forgot to mention that Gundarium 'is' Lunar Titanium. It was named Gundarium since the Gundam made it famous.

[fox13z400]

@SchizoFilms how do u figure that? put anyone else in Heero's mech (Wing 0) and they would go insane and or die? thats gotta prove something about Heero. Just cause the suit maybe be over powered, don't assume that the pilot is under qualified as a pilot.

[SchizoFilms]

@fox13z400 I define qualification as being trained to pilot a particular craft. In this sense, very few Gundam heroes are qualified, Heero least of all.

[fox13z400]

@SchizoFilms he was trained before he was sent to the earth? it just talks much about his background. he must have had extensive training and he was hand picked all with the other gundam pilots from that series to pilot a gundam. i think he would destroy most other pilots in a 1v1 situation.

[SchizoFilms]

@fox13z400 My point is, they Gary Stu him too much. They make him so perfect in every aspect, except the most important one: Being a REAL character. He's completely unrelatable. He's invincible in any fight you put him in. It's not because he's better trained. Rather, he's better trained as a means of justifying his Gary Stu traits.

[fox13z400]

@SchizoFilms i agree to u on that. did he ever even loose a battle? i don't think he did? that's kinda...well we all know thats kinda BS. he just got that kind of badass side to him that i guess everyone likes, idk. but i see wat u mean. its not the training aspect, its the fact that the plot makes him an unstoppable badass with this epic gundam that just happens to be stronger than anything else.

[SchizoFilms]

@fox13z400 This is the real catch-22 with this. Heero is the least-likely to win, so he must be defeated. Except, to be defeated, he'd have to lose. Heero isn't allowed to lose, by plot requirements. Therefore, he cannot be defeated, and cannot be least-likely to win.

[BowToWard86]

@fox13z400

Zechs gave him a good thrashing when he piloted Heavyarms. Zechs may not have finished him, but he definately beat him on the "scorecard" so to speak.

Heero has been training his entire life to be an assassin, and training for Operation Meteor since he was 8. His piloting skills are perfectly reasonable.

[fox13z400]

@BowToWard86 im glad someone agrees with me

[EclipseDante]

@SchizoFilms lol

[Raditz3666]

@SchizoFilms is not plot armor, plot armor is more like... if the gundam was suposed to not survive a nuclear attack and then it does with no reason, gundams in AC had the reason, gundamium, and if u think gundamium is that overpowered u havent seen Turn A XDD

[122819955]

ZERO WINS. ZERO IS BY FAR THE GREATEST GUNDAM EVER CREATED.

[HeeroYuy911]

@122819955 I totally love Gundam Wing so I'll say wing zero is totally the best Gundam.... in "Gundam Wing" You can't compare it with other Gundams in other shows. Example: Gundam Seed - Freedom, Justice and Strike Freedom are far better, Or how about "Gundam 00" from Gundam 00 Season 2, Add trans-am and Riser Attachment and its godlike.

No point trying to Compare Gundams across animes, So Zero is awesome in GW but that's all.

[Optimus313]

GUNDAM WING RULES ALL!!!!!!

[bigcat093]

@Optimus313 I AGREE

[Optimus313]

@bigcat093 The best gundams ever

[q809724]

這只能說 空思妄想 做白日夢吧

[mrtylerdurden91]

this only needed to be 5 seconds long cuz wing zero could jst use its buster cannon

[bigboss2788]

lol awesome. loved how Wufei raped the shit out of Shin and Rey lol

[JessFromMead]

The only match for Zero is Epyon and Shenlong.

[heroicphoenix000]

I have to say that, Rau is nothing more than a maniac who deserved nothing less than death. Even though he did have a point that people today are like that, he had no right to try & judge everyone merely on his own point of view.

[KyubiEspada]

Hm. The true question is who can out debate Rau?

My moneys on Treize and Sumeragi and Heero with Bright But they still have a higher chance to fail. -_-

[regie831]

wufei kicks asss...

[GoldStrikeFreedom]

seems to be that kira yamato is the re-encarnation of heero..

[sotalitefella]

Lmao at the anti-Kira and Wing Zero(and Heero?)=god.

Anyway, super well done. I especially love how you put in the characters[' dialogues], makes the video much more epic.

[tonydeadlock]

yeaa! wing won kira sucks

[0kitkat0179]

but kira wasnt even in this........

[tonydeadlock]

but does dat change the fact that kira sucks

[0kitkat0179]

nope but does show you hate kira to say it on vids that aretn even related to him

[MilliardoPeacecraftX]

@0kitkat0179

It doesn't really matter, even if Kira's there, they would still lose...

...Albeit much faster than before if Kira doesn't have his plot armor.

[GHGloomy]

I can tell Heero lost the debate against Rau, but at least Heero can provide more persuasive arguments than *cough* Kira.

[MilliardoPeacecraftX]

Kira: Shut Up!

[ApostleSatanail]

"You're the one!"

[MilliardoPeacecraftX]

"I'm not defined by my abilities alone!"

[GHGloomy]

"The world is still worth protecting!"

[MilliardoPeacecraftX]

@GHGloomy

"You're crazy! And so is your logic!"

[GHGloomy]

How about this?

Heero: The colonies are all heading total pacifism all on their own, what you are doing is meaningless.

Kira: I won't allow it!

[MilliardoPeacecraftX]

@GHGloomy

A good gundam crossover.

[ApostleSatanail]

I know what I'm doing next.

[Syranus66]

(cough) bullshit (cough)

I would love to see the day when someone can out debate Rau le cruset

[ApostleSatanail]

It wont happen, but you can try, and when that fails you can grab a TBR and zero system...

[heroicphoenix000]

@ApostleSatanail, "preps Wing Gundam ver Ka" I'll be waiting for that.

[christlubas]

@Syranus66 Amuro? Domon Kasshu? Master Asia? Zechs? Treize? Char?

too many to list!

[ApostleSatanail]

@christlubas Nope they'd all lose too, especially anyone that thinks a lasting peace can actually be obtained

[christlubas]

@ApostleSatanail Master Asia well he can possibly beat Rau in a debate by uttering Seki Ha Tenkyoken(Firing it at Rau's face in the process)

[ApostleSatanail]

@christlubas Oh well yeah, Master Asia is way more badass then the TBR or Heero

[Syranus66]

@ApostleSatanail agreed

[Winterium]

Great job

[Mangekyou001]

Awesome work as always. I love how wufei took out rey and shinn. that was sweet.

[ApostleSatanail]

Wufei is scary when you piss him off lol

[Mangekyou001]

agreed.

[0kitkat0179]

mmm very good nice interactions that made sense too. rau shoulda won though lol and you know why!!! traitor! XD

[ApostleSatanail]

No matter who wins the battle Rau will always win the debate!

[animeownage86]

Damm straight! Anyway I really enjoyed that.

[IRONiHonakoo]

As much as I love Rau and I do think his a better pilot then Heero, Wing Zero is just to OP for Rau : (

[0kitkat0179]

mmmmmm wonder if the zero system ever blue screens

[IRONiHonakoo]

lmao

[MilliardoPeacecraftX]

@0kitkat0179

Only against another ZERO System.

[0kitkat0179]

blue screen of death when zero systems collide?

[animeownage86]

Yeah MAHQ basically say's that without it's DRAGOON's the Providence is basically just a nuclear powered GuAIZ.

[0kitkat0179]

well not exactly cos it hasnt got the beam slash harkens that the guaiz has, thats probably based on the shield beam sabre arm.

[IRONiHonakoo]

And it has the large beam rifle and the chest guns really it has more or less nothing in common with the GuAIZ

[0kitkat0179]

well the only thing ias has in common would be that its not that manuverable and the shield beamsabre arm but providences isnt a claw and is an actual sabre and it has 2 other beam rifles in there aswell

[ApostleSatanail]

WZ is too overpowered for just about anyone lol it's a shame because this would have been so much cooler if Rau had won