This was such a wonderful bars final. The quality of the routines was just so high - near perfect. I love event finals like this, where every gymnast puts in their all and it's so close.
the commentator atraight up says that Kim Gwang Suk was listed as 17 at a previous competition and listed 16 at these games. i guess because she did not win a medal the IFC did not investigate. north korea is under a ban right now anyway
@conradbinky It doesn't surprise me about the age. She could be 10 for all they know. Tiny children do remarkable musical and gymnastics in North Korea, not so much because they have a natural talent but because they HAVE to be talented at whatever they do. Hours of practice and beatings and threats make sure of that. I didn't know they were under a ban now, how did that come about?
@lanpingpug The FIG began investigating Hong after she entered the 2010 worlds using the third different birth date of her career. She listed her birth year as 1989, but the FIG said it found documents showing she had competed at the 2004 Athens Olympics and the 2006 worlds using a birth year of 1985. She won the silver medal on vault at the 2007 worlds listing 1986 as her birth year. If Hong was born in 1989, she would have been ineligible to compete in Athens.
Whatever the discussion about the rest of the medals, can I just say that thank goodness Lu Li showed up when she did. Because as beautiful as Gutsu was, it really would have been a shame if she'd won this title.
If you were to take Miller and Gutsu's routine into the next quad's code of points, Miller gets more bonus. And even from a coaching perspective, it IS a harder routine. The combinations make it harder - it does take more precision.
@MeanestCoachEver Under the current code Gwang Suk would have easily beaten both Miller and Gutsu since her A score would have been light years higher than everyone other than maybe Lu Li, and probably higher than Lu Li too. Lu Li may still have won with very high A and B scores, but Gwang Suk would have for sure gotten atleast silver under the current code of points.
Miller's routine was harder than Gutsu's. Someone said something about Miller's dismount hugging the bar - that style of dismount, if done properly, will be quite close. Gutsu's was actually a bit close for a double layout.
I like Gutsu's fast swing but Miller had more difficult combinations.
Perhaps, but Kim left the door open with that dismount. Had it not been for that step, I'm sure the judges would have thrown out 10, or at least a 9.975.
@intldawn given the difficulty of Kim's routine and the overall quailty (even with the breaks) there was no excuse for that score. Also Gutsu and Miller were both blatantly overscored. How could either of them get a 10 from some of the judges for routines clearly not 10 worthy. Neither should have gotten anymore than a 9.950 from any judges, and Suk atleast 9.95 from every judge. Pasca was undermarked too. The correct results would have been:
@raichmaneuvers Well, the problem with Kim is that step cannot be ignored. The judges showed here and in Indianapolis that the difficulty of her routine outweighs the slight form breaks, but it's harder to make that case with such an obvious error on the landing. In that sense, it left the door open for Gutsu and Miller who had no visible errors. Pasca got cheated most of all--beautiful releases, flawless form and perfect landing. She should have been no worse than 3rd.
@intldawn You make good points but I would argue Kim's routine was so groundbreaking and difficult it deserved something in the 9.95 range. If she can get a 10 with the small form errors with a stick, she can get a 9.95 with a small step. And a 9.95 should have been enough for a medal since Gutsu and Miller were both overscored. Both had some 10s from a few judges to get over a 9.95 and neither one deserved it. I agree Pasca was robbed. So maybe give Pasca silver, and Gutsu or Kim bronze.
@raichmaneuvers Okay, I'll buy that argument. I like putting Pasca in second because of the three huge releases and flawless form. I also like putting Kim in third. I can deal with that. Gutsu and Miller benefitted from others' mistakes to get higher than normal scores because both routines look quite ordinary next to the other finalists. Let me ask you this: if Kim had stuck her dismount, would you be okay giving her and Lu Li a 10 and tying for the gold?
@intldawn Yes I would have been ok with Kim and Lu Li tieing for gold with 10s if Kim had stuck. It would have been the best compromise. The best form and execution and very good originality and difficulty by one and the outrageous difficulty and best amplitude inspite of the small form breaks from the other. Both girls had great swing.
@raichmaneuvers I'm beginning to agree with your argument about Kim because she upgraded her dismount to a double layout. That should have gotten more credit than a 9.912. I wonder, though, if Kim had scored a 10, would they have given Lu Li a 10 also? It was certainly worth it, but part of the reason she got it is because her performance was so clearly better than everyone else's. If she goes toe-to-toe against Kim, maybe the judges don't put her on equal footing. Just a thought.
I disagree. Miller had a more conservative swing on her giants, her release moves had less air time and were caught with bent arms, and her dismount hugged the high bar. Gutsu didn't have the polish that Miller did but she had a more aggressive swing, greater amplitude on her release moves (notice the air she gets on her Tkatchev), and her dismount went way above the bar. I don't even like Gutsu very much but she definitely should've outscored Miller here and deservedly did so, IMO of course.
Holy fuck some of these gymnasts don't use grips on bars. OW .
mortella23 2 months ago
This was such a wonderful bars final. The quality of the routines was just so high - near perfect. I love event finals like this, where every gymnast puts in their all and it's so close.
nicki446 3 months ago
LOL at the Americans after Lu Li's UB routine.
Gr33nkiwi 10 months ago 2
the commentator atraight up says that Kim Gwang Suk was listed as 17 at a previous competition and listed 16 at these games. i guess because she did not win a medal the IFC did not investigate. north korea is under a ban right now anyway
conradbinky 1 year ago
@conradbinky It doesn't surprise me about the age. She could be 10 for all they know. Tiny children do remarkable musical and gymnastics in North Korea, not so much because they have a natural talent but because they HAVE to be talented at whatever they do. Hours of practice and beatings and threats make sure of that. I didn't know they were under a ban now, how did that come about?
lanpingpug 1 year ago
@lanpingpug The FIG began investigating Hong after she entered the 2010 worlds using the third different birth date of her career. She listed her birth year as 1989, but the FIG said it found documents showing she had competed at the 2004 Athens Olympics and the 2006 worlds using a birth year of 1985. She won the silver medal on vault at the 2007 worlds listing 1986 as her birth year. If Hong was born in 1989, she would have been ineligible to compete in Athens.
PUNKASONIC 1 year ago
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conradbinky 1 year ago
Miller's face after her routine was priceless.
37tonya 1 year ago
Whatever the discussion about the rest of the medals, can I just say that thank goodness Lu Li showed up when she did. Because as beautiful as Gutsu was, it really would have been a shame if she'd won this title.
intldawn 1 year ago 2
Miller was gifted as usual. No way she deserved a medal when Lu Li, Gutsu, Pasca, and Suk all had better routines.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago
If you were to take Miller and Gutsu's routine into the next quad's code of points, Miller gets more bonus. And even from a coaching perspective, it IS a harder routine. The combinations make it harder - it does take more precision.
MeanestCoachEver 1 year ago
@MeanestCoachEver Under the current code Gwang Suk would have easily beaten both Miller and Gutsu since her A score would have been light years higher than everyone other than maybe Lu Li, and probably higher than Lu Li too. Lu Li may still have won with very high A and B scores, but Gwang Suk would have for sure gotten atleast silver under the current code of points.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago
That shot of Jack Nicholson and Michael Douglas was rather random haha
markedexclusive 2 years ago 7
Miller's routine was harder than Gutsu's. Someone said something about Miller's dismount hugging the bar - that style of dismount, if done properly, will be quite close. Gutsu's was actually a bit close for a double layout.
I like Gutsu's fast swing but Miller had more difficult combinations.
TuesdayPillow 2 years ago
Kim was really underscored. Gutsu had no business in the medals with such an easy routine. Should have been li, kim and miller in that order.
jaycee7521 2 years ago 2
Perhaps, but Kim left the door open with that dismount. Had it not been for that step, I'm sure the judges would have thrown out 10, or at least a 9.975.
intldawn 2 years ago 2
@intldawn given the difficulty of Kim's routine and the overall quailty (even with the breaks) there was no excuse for that score. Also Gutsu and Miller were both blatantly overscored. How could either of them get a 10 from some of the judges for routines clearly not 10 worthy. Neither should have gotten anymore than a 9.950 from any judges, and Suk atleast 9.95 from every judge. Pasca was undermarked too. The correct results would have been:
1. Lu Li
2. Gwang Suk
3. Pasca or Gutsu
5. Miller
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
@raichmaneuvers Well, the problem with Kim is that step cannot be ignored. The judges showed here and in Indianapolis that the difficulty of her routine outweighs the slight form breaks, but it's harder to make that case with such an obvious error on the landing. In that sense, it left the door open for Gutsu and Miller who had no visible errors. Pasca got cheated most of all--beautiful releases, flawless form and perfect landing. She should have been no worse than 3rd.
intldawn 1 year ago
@intldawn You make good points but I would argue Kim's routine was so groundbreaking and difficult it deserved something in the 9.95 range. If she can get a 10 with the small form errors with a stick, she can get a 9.95 with a small step. And a 9.95 should have been enough for a medal since Gutsu and Miller were both overscored. Both had some 10s from a few judges to get over a 9.95 and neither one deserved it. I agree Pasca was robbed. So maybe give Pasca silver, and Gutsu or Kim bronze.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
@raichmaneuvers Okay, I'll buy that argument. I like putting Pasca in second because of the three huge releases and flawless form. I also like putting Kim in third. I can deal with that. Gutsu and Miller benefitted from others' mistakes to get higher than normal scores because both routines look quite ordinary next to the other finalists. Let me ask you this: if Kim had stuck her dismount, would you be okay giving her and Lu Li a 10 and tying for the gold?
intldawn 1 year ago
@intldawn Yes I would have been ok with Kim and Lu Li tieing for gold with 10s if Kim had stuck. It would have been the best compromise. The best form and execution and very good originality and difficulty by one and the outrageous difficulty and best amplitude inspite of the small form breaks from the other. Both girls had great swing.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
@raichmaneuvers I'm beginning to agree with your argument about Kim because she upgraded her dismount to a double layout. That should have gotten more credit than a 9.912. I wonder, though, if Kim had scored a 10, would they have given Lu Li a 10 also? It was certainly worth it, but part of the reason she got it is because her performance was so clearly better than everyone else's. If she goes toe-to-toe against Kim, maybe the judges don't put her on equal footing. Just a thought.
intldawn 1 year ago
What an outstanding quality of video! It looks like this competition was recorded just yesterday! Beautiful!
todosobretodo 2 years ago
its like EVERY1 exept for me HATES Gutsu
billabongroxursox 2 years ago
shannon miller should have scored higher, also li lu had a great layout dismount (5:35 and 6:15)
0gymnast110 2 years ago
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Miller should have outscored Gutsu.
kimxh 2 years ago
I disagree. Miller had a more conservative swing on her giants, her release moves had less air time and were caught with bent arms, and her dismount hugged the high bar. Gutsu didn't have the polish that Miller did but she had a more aggressive swing, greater amplitude on her release moves (notice the air she gets on her Tkatchev), and her dismount went way above the bar. I don't even like Gutsu very much but she definitely should've outscored Miller here and deservedly did so, IMO of course.
gk891 2 years ago
the chinese girl is wearing grips in this thats kinda funny bc they dont now
crossroads2112 2 years ago
I love how the person who came LAST on bars here got something like 9.812. That is QUALITY gymnastics.
NonMatchingUnderwear 2 years ago 5
9.887, actually. Talk about quality.
MeanestCoachEver 1 year ago
Shannon just had that look on her face when her bars score came up, like, "are you kidding me?"
fr3ckles 2 years ago
god the gymnastics of this age is not only spectacular but really really beautiful.. i miss it
gymnasticsbabie 2 years ago 3
Lu Li, her double back was so clean and purdy off the beam. No ugly cowboy!
Davylp 2 years ago 3
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tatiana goutsu's score was a joke.
481095ymg2 2 years ago 5