Stop the Silence, End the Stigma. Part I

[AcaciaWen]

Abortionists lie in to make money. "We fed the public a line of deceit, dishonesty, a fabrication of statistics and figures...and fabricated polls which indicated that 85 percent of the public favored unrestricted abortion, when we knew it was only 5 percent. We unashamedly lied, and yet our statements were quoted as though they had been written in law."

-Dr. Bernard Nathanson, former abortionist and co-founder of NARAL.

People who speak against abortion have nothing to gain.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen A few corrupt people within the medical industry does not determine whether or not women should be able to control their own bodies. Do you believe women are autonomous beings?

No, you have nothing to gain that I would value. You only seek to impose your will upon my uterus.

[AcaciaWen]

@Bumblybee256 Slavery of women? Extreme. I have no interest in controlling your uterus, if you want it to remain unviolated, take measure to prevent preganancies using contraception. I'm merely standing up for the rights of the child not to be murdered. Look at the big picture. The Nazis killed 6 million Jews but every year more than twice that amount are killed in the name of "women's liberation". This dehumanising of children is seen as "choice". The Nazis "chose" to murder too.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen Yes you do. You think your opinion should have some bearing on what uses my body. The unborn have no rights: as I have previously said, nobody has the right to use another persons body. You are saying that women do not fully own their bodies. That is slavery.

The fact that you are comparing fetuses, which don't even have the capacity for consciousness, to the 6 million murdered jews is disgusting. And as an aside contraception is not always 100% effective.

[Bumblybee256]

@IRMOZBEY Lol no it doesn't. Way to pull stats out your ass.

[AcaciaWen]

@Bumblybee256 IRMOZBEY's right, it's a fact. Do your research.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen Sorry dear, stating something is a fact doesn't make it so and saying teh word 'research' doesn't make you look smarter.

[AcaciaWen]

@Bumblybee256 It is a fact that Ireland has one of the lowest mortality rates among mothers in the world and, as you can clearly see in our hospitals, it has nothing to do with having a high standard of health care to offer. Women who abort have a 50% higher chance of developping breast cancer, the cervix is usually stretched so far that it can be permenantly damaged, many women have had their cervix punctured and bleed to death. Women who have abortions are 6X more likely to commit suicide.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen You provide excellent arguments for ensuring that abortion is therefore safe and carried out by well trained people. Guess what, most surgery carries risks, are you going to ban all surgery in order to 'protect people from themselves'? Are you that patronising? Where are your citations by the way? While you're trying to find some, why don't you look up studies on the psychological effect of forced childbearing? You don't care if women die.

[AcaciaWen]

@Bumblybee256 What are these psychological effects of childbearing? Canadian studies have shown that 35% of women who have abortions make visits to psychiatrists later in life, as opposed to only 3% of women who carry their babies to term.

If your argument has any truth behind it, you don't have to hide behind agression. Please stop being so condescending and insulting. Debate in a civil manner.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen I believe I just asked you for sources and yet you continue to give stats without any back up whatsoever. It is very important to mental health to feel in control of your life, including your own body. Since when did the numbers of women accessing psychiatry= the number with mental health problems.

No, I don't believe in being civil to somebody who supports slavery of women. Why don't you answer some questions for once.

[AcaciaWen]

@Bumblybee256 There is such a divide between the amount of women who have/don't have abortions attending therapy that you can't deny the link.

I chose not to give you any links as I believed, as you have already dismissed everything I've said, you would simply dismiss my sources too as they agree with my views.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen First of all, given that you still have not sourced what you said there currently is no 'divide' (and that's not an excuse). Secondly, you have given no 'stats' for women in psychiatry who did not want the child.

And lastly, you have completely ignored the effects of post natal depression and the danger of pregnancy giving birth itself.

You have also failed to address the fact that your view equates to supporting slavery.

[AcaciaWen]

@Bumblybee256 Not wanting to kill children does not equate to supporting slavery. That's just ridiculous.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen To give the unborn rights you must trample all over women's right to body autonomy. That IS slavery. I asked you a question- do I have the right to one of your organs if I would die without it?

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen And STILL no sources. Could it be that you just made up some figures?

[doctortrainercoach]

I see broken, scarred women like these on a daily basis in my GP consulting room. Contraception/ abortion is man's modern, hygenicized, corporate way of keeping women crushed. They are like society's poisoned band-aid.

Sadly many of my colleagues are all too happy to dish out synthetic hormones and the like: 1. to keep the punter 'happy' 2. 'cos is easier to say yay than nay 3. it often pays better (and keeps the glamorous drug rep smiling) & 4. they fail to look beyond the published evidence

[Bumblybee256]

@doctortrainercoach Er no, contraception and abortion are essential tools for women's control over their own biology. Or in your mind is a happy woman one who is in endless cycles of pregnancy and birth? I wouldn't have you for my doctor.

[bacabu30]

0.46 - "Irish race"? What an idiot, we're not a 'race' but rather an ethnicity. The right to abortion isn't a simple 'rights issue', just like gay rights etc, because in the case of abortion, TWO people's rights are at issue - those of the mother and those of the yet unborn child.

[Bumblybee256]

@bacabu30 Nope, the unborn child does not have rights. NOBODY has the right to use another person's body.

[bacabu30]

@Bumblybee256 Well, that's just your opinion honey. Doesn't mean it's correct. Also it doesn't detract from my salient point about the so-called right to abortion with other rights, such as gay rights. The two are incomparable. In the case of abortion, 2 peoples rights are at odds - the mother's and then the baby's who has a right, in its own right, to choose life. Answer me all you like, but you will be wasting your time.

[Bumblybee256]

@bacabu30 What a fatuous remark, sweetheart. Were you expecting me to voice your opinion? My opinion is what matters when it comes to my uterus, given that its mine.

I didn't compare 'abortion rights' to 'gay rights'. I am well aware that it is a waste of time to talk to you, I do so simply for my own amusement. I notice you are unable to name a single instance in which anyone has the right to use another's body.

[bacabu30]

@Bumblybee256 Does anyone have a right to use the unborn baby's body as murder fodder?

[Bumblybee256]

@bacabu30 lol, outline the meaning of the phrase 'murder fodder'. I think you'll find it's meaningless. Yes, I do have the right to remove any organism from my body.

[bacabu30]

@Bumblybee256 If that makes you feel better by saying that to yourself, then keep it up but deep down it's inhuman and evil. I suppose it just comes down to the fact that some people don't mind being murderers and murderesses.

[Bumblybee256]

@bacabu30 Lol I've never felt bad. Women owning their bodies is evil you say? Well look at the little misogynist. Do I get a say over your organs?

[bacabu30]

@Bumblybee256 Ah the 'individualism' argument. So we all have a right to do whatever we want. There should be no common law...no collective rules in society. OK. Keep up the murders so.

[Bumblybee256]

@bacabu30 Women owning their bodies is evil? Tell me, what's wrong about rape and slavery, what makes them wrong?

You want there to be rules telling women that other's can use their bodies without consent. Name some similar rules.

[AcaciaWen]

@Bumblybee256 Women may own their own bodies but they don't have the unborn child is a person in his/her own right. Nobody has the right to destroy another person's body.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen I never said women OWNED the child's body. Women own their uterus and have the right to remove anything that is using it. The use of deadly force is perfectly acceptable to preserve body autonomy. If I decided I needed one of your kidneys right now would you have the right to defend yourself from me even if I would die, yes. Do some THINKING.

[2000yrCatholic]

Faithful Catholics don't support the molesting of children just as we don't

support aborting children. The priests

who molest children are just as evil as

the people who promote abortion.

In both cases, children are being abused.

REPENT AND STOP MOLESTING CHILDREN AND STOP PROMOTING

THE KILLING OF INNOCENT BABIES

BY ABORTION.

[DraganBulic1]

Does the spectre of the Church hang over this debate? I hear Ireland still has a strong thread of religious influence in its politics - is this the case?

[onlygoodhunsadeadun1]

Close yer legs ! buy some condoms ! go on the pill or grow yerselves some morals !!

[FrazI1971isBack]

Everybody sits on the fence? How many times must we say NO? I'm all for choice. Whore or don't whore!

[BetamaxLives03]

Aw... fullup, do ya not want to play anymore?

[waaeaa]

@betamaxLies

Here is BetamaxLives-a british guy who is on the internet 24/7.He has made comments about sneaking up on people in hospital and raping them.....you can see what his idea of playing is.

He hasn't been taken seriously by his leftist pals in britain so he moved over to Ireland to start again....on the computer....not to be taken seriously except for his rape fantasies

Betamax is a sick, sad internet geek, rejected by the left-wing and women-thus his dangerous pent-up frustration.

[BetamaxLives03]

Still fantasising about me waahh?

"Rape"... "British"... "24/7"... yada yada yada.

Go away, fruit cake

[barzouf94]

Is it true what Waaeaa is saying about you?

[BetamaxLives03]

... er.

I don't really think that waahh is firing on all cylinders.

Still keen to know why you feel the need to vomit anger all over the internet about a situation that you have no knowledge of in a country that you have never visited...

... why?

[barzouf94]

I don't vomit, in fact I don't like to vomit. Anyways I am Pro Choice, it has nothing to do with being a Left or Right Winger. Also the earth is too populous, there should be measures taken not to have women bare so many children. Unfortunately too many Africans & Muslims have children in our western countries because of welfare. Ireland/Canada, it's the same battle; we're being invaded by parasitic immigrants.

[BetamaxLives03]

Who mentioned abortion?

[barzouf94]

Patrick Laborteaux, remember him?

[barzouf94]

Is it true that you're a tapette?

[barzouf94]

@ BetamaxLIves03

DO NOT REPLY TO MY POSTS!

[BetamaxLives03]

Look... just go away then, OK?

There are more than enough nasty, clinically depressed biggots on the internet

[barzouf94]

You still claim to be an authority in psychology again. Still haven't got over the fact that you failed at that too. You took Psyc 101 and flunked that Mickey Mouse course, poor loser. By the way don't be angry at me if you don't have any luck picking up BOYS at the Bathhouse. Ugly Dudes like you are angry at the world, just like your HERO H.R. Thompson.

You're just as pathetic as he is. And I am not a biggot, Mr. Bleeding Heart Liberal!

[barzouf94]

You get OFF YOUTUBE Mr. Many Aliases, everybody knows you are: Sherifnitwit, Betamaxlives01, EiresRacistResister etc...Closet TAPETTE. You don't have the guts to OUT YOURSELF as a GAY MAN.

[BetamaxLives03]

Wow... must have hit a nerve there.

Poor thing

[barzouf94]

As Gay Male, you have absolutely no luck picking up guys.

Face it, you're pathetic in your mini studio, living from one welfare check to another. Why don't you let your Dear African & Muslims friends know what you are? Are you afraid they might chastise you, DIVERSITY is such a WONDERFUL thing, right? Ireland2day unveiled you and that's what gets to you. Spineless, gutless wimp. Why don't you let everybody knows you jack off watching videos of the Laborteaux Bros in their prime?

[BetamaxLives03]

So when did you have the abortion?

That must have been very painful for you.

You need to deal with it better than this or you future will not be a bright one...

[barzouf94]

Your future is down the drain, you have no lessons to teach. So why won't you answer me when I ask you : What do your Black & Muslim Friends think of your HOMOSEXUALITY???

[BetamaxLives03]

So that's the reason for your sadness....

[barzouf94]

@ BetamaxLives03

I am not sad, you're gay, I'm quite happy for you. I am just telling you to be careful when you're around your Black & Muslim friends; they won't be as understanding as I am. These individuals are Homophobes, so stop trying to get them on your side. The Laborteaux Bros. have aged like you so please concentrate on men your own age, you can't fantasize all your life about these nubile boys.

[BetamaxLives03]

... curious how you immediately revert to calling people you don't like "FAGS"

This new age stuff you've dug up to try to sort your angry shambolic life doesn't seem to have "stuck"

Bit late in the day for you to replace the child that you murdered...

... still, I'm sure your cats are a comfort

[barzouf94]

@BetamaxLives03

I don't call people fags and please, don't project who you are unto others.

[BetamaxLives03]

You certainly are a badly damaged woman...

[barzouf94]

You haven't got enough guts to OUT yourself as a gay individual, I feel sorry for you! Anyone who has Hunter Thompson as an Idol is suffering from Major Depression.

[BetamaxLives03]

Does all this bull shit that you do on the internet help you at all?

Do you feel better about yourself when you rant and rave about parasites?

I'm guessing not

[barzouf94]

Don't you have a life? If you don't agree with me than don't read my posts. I am entitled to my opinions. I don't care for you to demean what I say. You won't make a convert of me. Leave me alone!!

[BetamaxLives03]

Are you having a bad day sweetheart?

[waaeaa]

@betamaxLies

Are you having a bad life... failed activist? lol

[BetamaxLives03]

Go away

[barzouf94]

@ Betaturd

I hear you say nasty things to me friend Waaeaa, we're aware that you're a sick individual and that you have scatological fantasies. I read some of those things and it's quite disturbing. I knew that you project onto others what you are but this is scary. Can't pay the rent this month? Spent all your welfare check on drugs? H.R. Thompson & you are one!

[BetamaxLives03]

Wonderful!

The internet crazies are "making friends"

Now go away

[barzouf94]

@BetaTurdLies03,

You're among the Internet Deviates along with Soulboy & all the other aliases he uses. Why are you so wound up? Didn't have any luck at the Bathhouse today ? Your Rape Fantasies are pretty sick, funny how you always direct them at men! Like I said with H.R. Thompson as your hero, one has to be pretty disturbed!

[BetamaxLives03]

"rape fantasies"?

Jesus, it's like talking to a female waahh.

I think you two have a future.

Together you can have suicidal, psychotic childeren.

Now you can keep writing to me, cutter if that helps...

... but I've kinda lost interest in communication with the clinically depressed youtube set.

You people are not funny

[barzouf94]

@ BetaTurdLies03

As I Said you project what you are onto others poor boy.

[BetamaxLives03]

Bye bye crazy old cat lady!

[barzouf94]

@ BetaTurdLies03

I understand you failed at being a psychologist, you like to reread all your text books and find fault with anyone that doesn't agree with you. I knew you were a cutter, you seem to know all about it, doesn't it accompany symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder? It's quite common amongst men who are ambivalent about their sexual identity. Did your Momma abandon you as a toddler? Who abused you as a child?

Poor Little boy, you haven't matured yet!

[BetamaxLives03]

Don't you ever get a bit bored with this stupidity?

[barzouf94]

Bored? I don't know but You say things as stupid as I do.

[BetamaxLives03]

Now run along crazy lady...

[barzouf94]

You're a major Bozo BetaTurd!

[BetamaxLives03]

(bye)

[rusethorcain]

@barzouf94 I was thinking the same thing about BetaTurd! How funny is that?

[barzouf94]

Betaturd has no life, he's always on YOUTUBE bothering people that don't agree with his...WISDOM.

[waaeaa]

@barzouf

I was right about the soulboy90 being DonegalRaymie201, a fact to which betamaxlies said...he didn't care whether his side lies or not, you are dealing with a total liar and frustrated loser, who is a danger to women and yes this is correct about Betamaxlives too.

[ijusttom]

Hey Frank shouldnt a "patriot" like you be at croke park on this the most important hour of the year for our natonal sport.

Tip are ahead by a point can you belive it.

[ijusttom]

10 points all now, its pretty damn good.

[ijusttom]

11 all , holy shit this is close

[ijusttom]

Tip are ahead now frank 16 - 15 , Kilkenny are starting to foul there geting flustered.

[ijusttom]

Kilkenny ahead by 4 points tip down one man 5 mins left . aaaaaaggghhhh

[ijusttom]

WoW frank, kilkenny get the 4 in a row.

Did you see the kid from mauritius that was going to present the cup maybe pcscz has it recorded and you can all have a whinge about it later.

[barzouf94]

I think Soulboy90 is the Biggest Liar, frustrated loser. I believe he's a morbid obese who's never had anyone in his life: women don't go for "Disgusting Slobs" like himself. He's so fat, he can't even see his little pecker, when wanting to pee, he always end up peeing on himself . Can you imagine the smell?

[ICPfail]

I wonder what would happen if I posted your name and address here??

98% say no to Immigration Control Platform.

[ICPfail]

Any muslim who has a problem with what gh56hg65 says about your prophet might like to know his real name is Frank Boyle his address will follow soon.

[FrazI1971isBack]

Knock my door yourself Sherriff you coward!

Post my address on youtube and I WILL use all means at my disposal to find you so we can have a little 1 to 1. You'll fuckin need the pillowcase after that one!

[waaeaa]

@ICPfail aka sherriff

Not only have you wrongly said I am 5-6 different people but yet again u show what a loony you are.

You come on here posting a persons name, clearly thinking and hoping that a group of people will act on such information with violence, we all know islams reputation for intolerance

And clearly so do you, pillowcase, you obviously think islam is a religion of hatred and violence, hence your threat to release name and address

What a cowardly idiot you are heheheheh, eejit

[gh56hg65]

do irish ppl have american accents

what is reaalidy......

[waaeaa]

btw gh55

The accountholder ICPfail thinks that I am you, as well as Fraz1971 and a few other accounts, this guy is way out there, and has a habit of taking advantage of people who willingly put up their own faces in public and then cowardly uses that to do a hatchet job on them - all while still having a pillowcase over his head and staying anonymous himself

...the guy is a total deranged geek and pillowcase...... a true coward.

[AzoreanProud]

I understand both sides...but i'm for freedom. You choce as an free human being.

[woodlicht]

Before people formulate views on abortion, they should do a little research on different methods of abortion e.g. suction, saline or partial-birth abortion. I cant see how anyone can deny these are cruel. Abortion is complicated as you must balance the rights of the mother against those of the fetus. Deciding on the right course of action will often be hard. However, anyone who holds an opinion should look at how abortion is carried out and reflect on the human rights of the embryo / fetus.

[CredoCatholicJournal]

Abortion means a dead baby.Anybody claiming to be 'pro-choice' supports the killing of babies.

[demon515]

Any body who is Catholic supports boy touching.

[Rodashin]

With this affirmation, you show that you are a perfect ignorant. Molesting children is NOT exclusive of priests, is a matter of an ill society. Or you ignore that teachers in schools have also a record in child abuse? If you want to put a comment anywhere in this world, please use first your brain and read, investigate and form an intelligent oppinion, not this kind of bs!

[harlicesurel]

I respect your right to your viewpoint and maybe I sound OTT. However your videos are not about the experiences of women. Your videos are about using women to push a social political view.

By the way a lot of women have been hurt by abortion and you could at least acknowledge that this occurs.

[harlicesurel]

Abortion = murder

But if that sounds over the top and makes you feel uncomfortable, thats OK. Talk in legal terms and semantics if that make you feel better.

[SafeAndLegalIreland]

SafeandLegalIreland does not agree with your simple equation here. The point of these videos is to discuss crisis pregnancy from the point of view of the women that have them and to get beyond the plain assertions of predetermined beliefs. Talking about human experience is not talking semantics.

The black/white, wrong/right discourse has not progressed beyond namecalling for a long time, and we're hoping it will.

[AcaciaWen]

@SafeAndLegalIreland How else would you describe abortion? It is plainly murder, the intentional ending of a human life. Regardless of the reasoning behind it, there is no excuse.

It isn't a case of name-calling, it's a case of trying to open people's eyes to the truth. Abortion dosn't simply end a pregnancy, it ends a life and makes you the mother of a dead child. Ask the majority of women who have aborted their babies, they mourn and regret their choice for the rest of their lives.

[Bumblybee256]

@AcaciaWen Er no. Nobody has the right to use your body without continuing consent, you have the right to remove them. Can you give me an instance whereby I would be allowed to use your body to stop me from dying even if you didn't want me there? Could I force you to give me a kidney?

[Bumblybee256]

@harlicesurel Murder refers to the unlawful killing of a person. A fetus is not a person. Even if it were that does not give it teh right to use a woman without her continuing consent. Why should a fetus have more rights that any other living being and why should women have less?

[princejordan27]

Great Video, and great Message, Well done to all

[vascobrf]

Thank you very much for this videos. It's urgent to change the abortion law in Ireland!I'm from Portugal and the law has chnaged last year. Now is the time for Ireland!

[uceyeeta]

Fantastic. Thanks so much to the film-maker for putting this together. Hope it is viewed wide and far

[arabellahunt]

These 3 videos are eloquent and powerful. I'll be sharing them. Thanks :)

[cvrancken]

Ireland, keep up the good work for all the Irish women!

[danclittletingoddess]

great piece... makes me think that some of my friends may have been through that and never felt able to tell me. I am gonna be prouder to be pro choice because of this. Nice work :) who are safe and legal? have they been around long?

[SafeAndLegalIreland]

Glad you liked it! You should check out the Safe and Legal Website. It's a group focused mainly on the legalisation and legal aspects of reproductive health. There are other groups with different focuses which you can find on the safeandlegal website linked above in the video info.

Thanks for the feedback and do be proud!

[ChoiceDub]

Excellent You Tube video. Well done to the Safe and Legal in Ireland Abortion Rights Campaign.

It's time to face up to the relaity of abortion for Irish women and make abortion safe and legal in Ireland.