I was brought up as a Jehovahs Witness and it left the most horrific and terrible result on my life that you could possibly imagine. Everybody was living double lives and there was really bad physical and sexual harm going on that had a lasting impact on my life. Just watching this gives me the creeps and I can't believe that they are still allowed to wreck havoc and harm still in our society today. As for my own mother and family , I don't even speak to them anymore. what evil hypocrites them.
Too many holes and inconsistencies in the JW religion.The end of the world was predicted how many times? Michael the archangel is not the brother of Jesus! etc.. etc... always remember that every knee will bow, every tongue will confess J E S U S is LORD!
well JWs are not 'religion worshippers'. They do not use this concept of Masonic structure in their teachings today. The beginning of 'JWs' was/is the unveiling of propaganda within christendom. Its spiritual pattern is likened to circumcision. Its interesting how JWs are a teaching of measures that simply correct attitudes. Christendom is practically an adulterated way if you remove the veil. I compare the teachings to a crystal quartz. Waste matter becoming pure through the pressures of time.
The Bible : ( New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)...PROVERBS 16: 6 " By Loving-kindness and trueness ERROR is atoned for , and in the fear of Jehovah one turns away from bad."
Isn't it curious, then, that in Russell's own book, Studies in the Scriptures Vol. IV, (1897), that he mentioned secret societies such as the Masons, equated them with Christendom & the governments, & said that it woud be good to break your 'oath' & get out of it? That means that at least by that time, Russell was no longer a member, if he EVER was.
Amen my brother this is so true. It's so sad that many Jehovah's witnesses have no idea of there own past :( . I pray that whoever reads this will be set free in the name if Jesus. From that false religion
@EastGateShut Dueteronomy 18: 20-22 says "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” 21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."
What I find interesting is in "What does the Bible Teach" book on pg.204-206 they give reasons why "true christians" do not use the cross, and it's on their founders tomb...FAIL.
GOD SAYS HE HAS A SON.Jesus said he's God's Son-Matthew 3:17,Mark 9:7,Psalms 2:7,Luke 9:35,Prov.8:22.DEMONS,expelled said he's Son of God-Luke 4:41.Matt.8:29, Mark3:11.Others said he's Son-John1:14,49,3:17,5:18,36,6:46,10:36,Mark15:39,Matthew 26:63,27:40. Hebrews10:29,4:14.An angel said he's Son-Luke1:35.Jehovah God is Jesus' God-John15:1,16:3,30,20:17, Matt.26:26,36-44,64,Mark15:34,Ephesians1:17.Son=Mediator-1Timothy 2:5,Heb.1:3,4,8:6,9:15,12:24, Romans1:4,8,9,Acts7:55,56.
I was a JW for 20 years and it was my knowledge of the REAL truth about JWs that made me an "apostate" in the Jws eyes. When we were young, the JWs held their conventions at the Scottish Rite Cathedral in PA. Also, those questioning the authenticity of the pyramid-answer these questions. Why is his actual grave right next to a Masonic temple? Coincidence? Why the use of Masonic/pyramidology/Egyptology symbols in early Wt/IBS literature? Face it-it's real.
@pghdjmarty Do you have photos of Meetings at a Masonic Hall? That would be very good to have. In fact who were the elders at that time? I would like to know if any of those elders were card carrying members.
5) Do they work harder than anyone else? Or is it to free time for internal affairs or have more time recruiting people into this organisation - I will not call it a religion anymore. After what I heard from my brothers inhumanity concerning what I'm about to face, I feel no qualms about exposing him and his life-long deciet.
4) The illness my brother (incl. his wife) claims to have is ME (Myalgic Encephalopathy, or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome). Do some research & you'll find many JW's claim to have this condition -Why?. Its a condition that can't be proved or disproved. I have never seen any real symtoms. I've seen him dancing with more energy I have. Once he tried to fake it as I announced suspicion, and he faked being asleep. Trouble is most people face muscles drop when asleep and his didn't.
@Jeorney Hi, having health problems is difficult. There may be times a person feels better and can do more. I think when a person eats raw fruits and veggies, they might have a better energy day the next day, and possibly that day. So they could still have an illness. Don't judge so much, and show LOVE> try to understand and help people and not so judging.
@eternityandforever Having a health problem doesn't mean that he can also implicity suggest slavery is a good idea - isn't that a judgement of the worse kind. I see you make no reference to that point. I know who I'm talking about, as he shows no sign of the problem. Also I recognise that JW's have the highest rate of so called ME sufferers. Why would one group all come down with the same problem. The fact that its hard to prove or disprove is obviously a factor being taken advantage of.
3) few, the Patrician class, and to some extent the plebian class. The rest is slaves. Even the letter I recieved for my first "retrining" placement has a logo of a roman building from an organisation called Maximus. Also an 'investors in people' logo which has a laurel leaves around it. What people have feared is now happening right now. My JW brother is also unemployed is exempt as he claims an illness, but I've seen no symtoms. Wake up people, wake up now.
2) ... for the same benefit money for up to 2 years (at the moment) and they'll call it retraining. Retraining to be a slave in a crummy occupation. Minimum wage has been circumvented. A slave has no rights. This will spread folks as competition will demand it. I'm unemployed but have a degree and it makes no difference. My brother thinks is just great as it proves his point. Their god is a man made god. The New Rome will be for groups like them. Remember Rome was only enjoyed by a ...
1) The heaven on earth the JW's is begining to happen. But this is not from God, but diabolical people who are wrecking everything now. Even Slavery has started in the UK if your unemployed like myself. My JW brother even seems to be implicitally supporting it. His heart must be dead. So could it be that this golden world the JW is for groups like them, but for the rest of us it will be hell & slavery. If Slavery in the UK sounds far fetched, its not. Its starting to happen. People work ..
I don't think this memorial is masonic in symbolism, just representing Russell's belief that the Great Pyramid of Giza was divinely inspired. It was an odd teaching, one which the Watchtower thankfully realized wasn't biblical shortly after.
I've looked into it before, but I can't really find any evidence beyond speculation and symbol analysis that Russell had any ties to freemasonry. The Freemasons themselves deny he was ever a member. It could still be possible, though.
@HardbeatAcolyte Russel's sermon The Temple of God actually says that the pyramid is the very emblem that they use. And he uses contant references to the freemasons in that sermon. Furthermore he talks about becoming a knight templar in his sermon. In other writings he speaks highly of the Rothschilds and how they are such wonderful bankers.etc, etc. Buy some of his books. They have ties to freemasonry all over them.
@HardbeatAcolyte You don't think the memorial is masonic because you have been trained to avoid "independent" thinking, which in reality is only critical thinking. The pyramid in Giza isnt covered in crosses and stars at the top. If Russell wanted to reference the pyramid only, why include MASONIC symbols? You don't "think" it's odd that the street leading up to the marker is named MASONIC WAY? We are not "apostates" my friend. We are the ones who took the red pill...
@damightyom Thanks for your concern, but I'm neither a Witness nor do I have an aversion to individual thought, I just like to have a balanced, rational view of alternative viewpoints, including religion :)
Yes, the symbol of the cross & crown has been associated with the Knights Templar, but the Bible Students was hardly the only other group to use a similar symbol. Realistically, it merely represents the Christian concept of Jesus as head of God's kingdom, which is a sentiment I can't fault
@HardbeatAcolyte There's a reason some of us "red pillers" are so passionate about the idea Charles Taze may have been hiding something. CTR has an infallibility for the low level Witness, who is never allowed to question the validity of his core teachings. When you realized the whole thing is bullshit, you see how deeply power is allowed to corrupt society. This is not a religion, it's a pyramid scheme hiding behind false prophesies. Is it Masonic? Do Masons exist? These are fair questions:)
@HardbeatAcolyte Just like you said earlier. YOU ARE NOT A JEHOVAS WITNESS. So you would never understand what this means to us. And the other witnesses here defending against these claims are put here to deceive the public. Any true witness would know this.
@shufx Sorry if I misunderstood, I meant no offense at all. I have a lot of admiration for Jehovah's Witnesses, and I don't judge the Bible Students for their former misunderstandings, as they were corrected in time.
Did the cross and crown not represent to the Bible Students the authority of Christ as ruler of Christians? I seriously doubt this video's claims that the founder of the Bible Students was a Freemason, or that he had a masonic agenda.
@HardbeatAcolyte Well I guess CT Russel's sermon that he gave in a Masonic Temple does not mean anything to you either. Or the fact that he said in his sermon at the Masonic Temple
"And so if we talk to our Masonic friends about the Temple and its meaning, and about being good Masons, and about the Great Pyramid, which is the very emblem they use" and he said "But we are not going to discuss the Great Pyramid this afternoon. We are going to discuss free and accepted Masonry"
@HardbeatAcolyte The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. The sermon is called the Temple of God. You can order a hard copy on Amazon.com. Or your can download a copy of Pastor Russel's discourses and sermons from the Watcthower Archives. Other good reading by Pastor Russel is "God's Secret Society" "Jewish Hopes" he praises the Rothschilds several times in that book, and "Divine Plan of the Ages" which is my personal favorite.
JW/s have been trained to deny the call of their own reason. There has to be a major failure in their lives, or they have to see the gap in the Newtonian world of JW's and the quantum society we live in today, or they may have a genuine mystical experience, their first real taste of God. Whatever happens it must be a life changing event or thought that shakes their world to the root. They can easily deny reason when watching things like this though, it's what they are trained to do.
Secomndly, Moses was an Egyptian King before he parted the Red Sea and led Gods People, Joseph was sold into slavery and rose to prominence by interpreting Pharoh dreams, and the Israelites moved into Egypt ... So what if god uses secret society to further his agenda, Beats being blanket all american cookie cuter pagan part of the mainstream voters Nephilim seed like you. Maybe I’m the fucking son of man and also the Anti fucking Christ, Maybe demon seeds are the ones to get the 666. not shp.
Yah know, any hater of Jehovah’s witnesses could of purchased that plot to put up that Pyramid just to defraud the witnesses. I’d like to see proof the organization put that there, they must still own it then? It’s far from his grave, like 20 years after possibly. Maybe his hatin family members put it uP?
@eternalblackproject1 maybe i just photoshopped the pyramid in to get my agenda going. I wouldn't mind you exposing the people who put this 7 foot tall pyramid here. Can you look into the history for me?
@EastGateShut Hi, are you an ex-JW? I would like to say something to you if you aren't. Please remember the apostle Paul even condoned the killing of Stephen, a disciple of Christ. People can change over time, as they learn bible truths. Would you like everyone to know your mistakes you made many years ago? Don't you learn over time, and realize wisdom the older you get. "STOP judging that YOU may not be judged; for with what judgement YOU are measuring out, they will measure to YOU. Matthew 7:1
@eternityandforever I have never been a JW. I am trying to show you the watchtower is a false prophet. The bible says Deu 18:20-22 to stay away from them if they predict things like dates that never happen. Also see Matt 7:15
@EastGateShut You don't know what you speak. The bible says at the end of days, true knowledge will become abundant-Daniel 12:4. He got prophecy dates from the BIBLE, not where you say. You don't know our true teachings, so you shouldn't come on here saying you do... That is a false prophet for ya!
@eternityandforever 1914, 1915, 1925, (Beth sarim), 1975, 2000. Seems like good prophecy to me... If just ONE of them didn't come true.. False prophet. Look up your history!
What's very interesting is whenever I look up the so called watchtower articles that said these dates would be the coming of the end, I seem to turn up empty handed. Do I see the dates talked about in the early watchtower articles. Absolutely, but in a completely different way. I seem to find statements like "could 1914 be the coming of our lord...it very well could be" or "we do not claim to be prophets". Now whenever I see posts like these, these statements are conspicuously missing. Why?
@EastGateShut LOL that'll shut them up. A good book to read for JW's is the Finished Mystery written by CT Russel. It speaks of how the great pyramid is the God's Witness. And how the dimensions of the Pyramid equal the date of 1914. And it does not matter how a person can change to be righteous. That is not the point. The point is that a religion can not be pure if it came from Occult like origins. Just as Deuteronmy 18:20-22 says that a false prophet is not speaking God's word.
@eternityandforever, Russell got his Bible chronology from the great pyramid in Giza, the WTBTS admitts it. Proclaimers book page 201, this book was printed by the WTBTS to explain it's past deceptively. You don't know your true teachings, so you shouldn't come on here saying you do! Both Russell and Rutherford taught that Jesus returned in 1874 this date wasn't officially changed to 1914 until 1943 which means the WTBTS missed their critical appointment in 1919 and have no authority!
@EastGateShut The Watchtower Society is in NO WAY a false prophet. I can tell you DON'T read the bible very much at all. YOU would NEVER have said such a T W I S T E D thing as they are false. I have researched the bible for many years, copied it down BY HAND many months, too. I KNOW they are true in everything they teach. They really are following Jesus Christ. IF you read the bible, and stopped reading all the false info out there, mayby you could see it... :D
@eternityandforever Hi Eternity! Could you tell me about the 1914 Generation that was said to never pass away? I am reading the Revelation book and it's grand climax at hand. The book says that people from the 1914 generation will see the end of the world. That generation is long gone. And what about that book in 1925 "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"? I am positive that there is less than 1 million JW's still alive from that era that era. Oh yeah please explain 1975. The world didn't end!
@shufx read Habkkuk 2.3"For the vision is yet for the appointed time and it keeps panting on to the end and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it for it will without fail come true.It will not be late.....this is my answer to you even if it should delay it will not be late....Peace to you friend Jehovah's Witness are still going to preach the good news of the kingdom... what you preach is sad hate and venom. do not judge or you will be judged Peace
@eternityandforever C.T. Russell believed that the 1,914 steps in the Great Pyramid symbolized the the year that Jesus would return. The pyramid is real, there is a photo of it in the "Proclaimer's of God's Kingdom" book (the big green one) CT Russell's teachings are still taught by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Although recently the entire 1914 doctrine was changed from the generation that saw Christ come into power to overlapping generations of people who saw the event. Frauds!
@drevildruid NO, Charles Taze Russell used the BIBLE to reveal the 1914 year as the end of the Gentile Times. I have researched this, and it all checks out. There is no fraud. IF you would read your bible alot more than you do, you would probably see it yourself! I can send the scriptures that JEHOVAH GOD has revealed to us as to his appointed times. YOU JUST NEED TO READ. Read the bible, not false storybooks about JW's, ok?
@eternityandforever Sorry I'm a former JW and I know what he did and did not teach. Try reading the Studies in the Scriptures and the Millenial Dawn series and you will find the answers there, not in WT publications that have been altered over time to hide these facts. Thanks for playing though.
@jazzbassf I left of my own accord after I discovered the truth about "The Truth". I was summarily disfellowshipped for apostasy which in and of itself is kinda amusing considering Jesus and the Apostles were treated the exact same way by the Jewish religion.
@eternityandforever I'm guessing that you used Watchtower publications in your research instead of independent sources that have nothing to gain? try Googling the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians, you will get a very different year than what the WTS says. "Jehovah" didn't reveal anything to the Governing Body. They are False Prophets. Consider all the failed prophecies they have uttered. I'm sure you will dismiss it though as you have more faith in men than in God.
@eternalblackproject1 LOL that is the Watchtower's plot. They purchased it in the early 1900's. Joe blow can't just erect a memorial on a paid plot. That is illegal and the Watchtower society could have it legally removed.
Russell was buried in Rosemont United Cemetery, Pittsburgh. The gravesite is marked by a headstone, nearby stands a 7-foot-tall (2.1 m) pyramid memorial erected by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in 1921. The Jehovah's Witnesses were formed many years afterward, under the leadership of Judge Rutherford, whose followers broke away from the Bible Students organization formed by Russell.
(cont.) It's important to understand that the organization which Russell formed CONTINUES to exist today, they just fly under the radar so to speak. Their doctrines have changed little since the days of their founder (Russell, not Rutherford) and are VERY different from what Jehovah's Witnesses teach and believe.
(cont.) Following views first taught by Christian writers such as John Taylor, Charles Piazzi Smyth and Joseph Seiss, Russell believed the Great Pyramid of Giza was built by the Hebrews (associated to the Hyksos) under God’s direction, but to be understood only in our day. He adopted and used Seiss's phrase referring to it as "the Bible in stone".
(cont.) He believed that certain biblical texts, including Isaiah 19:19–20 and others, prophesied a future understanding of the Great Pyramid and adopted the view that the various ascending and descending passages represented the fall of man, the provision of the Mosaic Law, the death of Christ, the exultation of the saints in heaven, etc.
(cont.) Calculations were made using the pattern of an inch per year. Dates such as 1874, 1914, and 1948 were purported to have been found through the study of this monument. It's for this reason (his belief system involving the Great Pyramid) that his followers later erected this pyramid monument in 1921, a full five years after his death.
In June 1913, during his transcontinental speaking tour, Russell gave a discourse in a Masonic hall in San Francisco, where he stated: "Although I have never been a Mason ... Something I do seems to be the same as Masons do, I don't know what it is; but they often give me all kinds of grips and I give them back, then I tell them I don't know anything about it except just a few grips that have come to me naturally".
(cont.) In Russell's Special 1913 Convention Report of the Internal Bible Students, under the subject of "The Temple of Gods" is a discourse by Pastor Russell in which he makes it very clear that he WAS NOT a freemason at any time. I read that report many years ago, and it is still available online should anyone care to read it. After Russell's death, rumors were started that he had been a mason, at which point the Masonic Grand Lodge issued an official statement of denial, which remains today.
@Babyhowdy233 LOL yes everyone should read that sermon! Especailly the part where he says: And so if we talk to our Masonic friends about the Temple and its meaning, and about being good Masons, and about the Great Pyramid, which is the very emblem they use, and what the Great Pyramid signifies. And he said...But we are not going to discuss the Great Pyramid this afternoon. We are going to discuss free and accepted Masonry-- LOL you forgot about that part didn't ya?
@shufx Glad you found that! can you forward info, link to view this sermon, reslight needs to look into this since this man is dillusional-despite the fact you can show him hardcore evidence and yet, he is blinded. I would love to read the sermon-please post the link-would be interesting read!!
@eternalblackproject1 .........Uh, I hate to tell you this, but the WatchTower's own (recent) publications acknowledge that THEY THEMSELVES placed that tomb marker there. See "The Proclaimers" book, page 201. Although, much of what they write about their history in this publication is completely whtiewashed and misleading. What a mess!
@1vw4me I just turned to page 201 and I don't see anything here about a tomb marker, but only the Practices that Jehovah's Witnesses have abondoned, like Christmas celebrations, the Cross symbol, the celebrating of birthdays just like first century christians, and the Great Pyramid of gizeh... where on page 201 does it say in the Proclaimers book tomb marker?????????????????????? or did someone tell you this without proof? read your bible and get the turht of God's word please.......
@jazzbassf How about reading a bible that was not translated by the founders of the Ghostly Guild and Johaness Greber. They are all well known Occult Spiritists? In fact how about reading the bible without the Watchtower. As far as reading the bible goes you should read Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book
I love how the Pyramid has the inscription, "Dead with Christ". Since when is Christ dead? Aren't Christians supposed to be "Alive in Christ" or something like that if they have Holy Spirit directing their lives? Kind of a funky, stupid play on words on their part. Strange.
I just want to re-affirm with the readers of this post that the Watcthower has their paid goons posting comments on this post to distract and mislead you. C.T. Russel is aknowledged as their founder and yes his doctrines are still used as a basis of this religion's dogma minus the obvious occult symbols and heretical teachings of the Great Pyramid.
@shufx Jehovah's Witness do not have paid pastors or elders, they do it free just like Jesus and his apolstles, and not like Christendom who are a paid clergy. We pay a modest amount for the circuit overseers and his expenses on a voluntary donation basis. I received free and give of myself free not for money and have been preaching for over 36 years.This good news of the kingdom will be preached for a WITNESS....THEN THE END WILL COME... what is the rest of world preaching?????
@jazzbassf LOL and you think we are at end times. This is how gullible you are. Keep believing that. I guarantee you that you and your grand children's children will never see Armageddon. First off it's illegal to preach in many countries so you have ZERO chance of fulfilling bible prophecy any time soon. Second your religion, your bible translation, and your core beliefs come from Satanic Origins. So I am not worried about it.
Jehovah witness doctrine does not even closely resemble the doctrines of CTR. He may have founded the watchtower tract society originally but his beliefs have nothing to do with today's JW's or the watchtower itself. They don't believe that you die and go up with christ they believe in death until judgement, they don't even believe in the cross, they teach Jesus died on a stake. They don't have a special take on pyramids either. JW's dont acknowledge CTR as their founder because he's not.
@EastGateShut I'm saying if you what you are saying is true, his beliefs are not representative of current Jehovah Witness beliefs. But from what I understand your accusations against CTR are open to debate and are not solid fact. Sounds to me like you are a former JW yourself who was probably dismembershipped and have a mandate now of discrediting them. Am I right?
@Mungmyballs Never been a Jehovah Witness. Sure debating is awesome. I have a few people i know and care about who are witnesses. So I have looked into their history. What about you?
@EastGateShut I have looked into their beliefs but not so much their origins. I am familiar with CTR but do not claim to know all about him. Interesting though as Ive always been curious to how the JW's started and do find it kinda odd that they've only popped up in the last 100 years. I know a few JW's and they are some of the nicest people I have ever met and very passionate about their religion. They seem to live by the bible better than any other religion I've come across.
@Mungmyballs i agree with you that JWs are nice and sincere people. Their leadership is in question here along with their leaders writings and their translation of the Bible. The governing body is the truth where "Jesus is the truth" from my perspective.
@Mungmyballs It is interesting that you say that CT Russel's Doctrines are not even similar to modern day Witness teaching. I have all of C.T. Russels books. And they basically teach the same thing about armegeddon, 1914, that jesus was not a trinity, and their belief on going to hell and heaven. Even the same beliefs of the annointed class or 144,000 are still the same. The only noticeable differences are the changes in their doctrine to support their doomsday prophecies when they fail.
@shufx Jehovah's Witnesses no longer have any teaching about the stone witness/Great Pyramid of Giza - that's quite a significant difference, and one which modern Bible Student denominations disagree with JWs on
@HardbeatAcolyte True. However the JW doctrine is nearly identicle to that of Russells. Armegeddon, Paradise on Earth, No such thing as hell,1914 etc. With slight variations and changes in doctrine to support the original theology.
@Mungmyballs yes brother Jesus is our Leader not a man on earth like in Christendom who follow their pastors and the Pople who live in shameless luxury and whose priest hood live off the people , elders do not take a salary they preach and teach for free. So what is their motive...Love for God and Christ and their fellow man
@stephenallynhardin LOL it's funny that you say that. In 2009 my cousin was showing me some literature that shows C.T. Russel and Judge Rutherford as their founders. My question to you is that is this some type of New Light BS thing that just recently came to be? If it is that is way too funny because ever since I was a child I was taught that C.T. Russel and Judge Rutherford were the people that organized and launched this religion into existence.
@stephenallynhardin our founder is Jesus Christ not a modern man, the point here is not whether russell was right or wrong, but is the Bible right when it says at Acts 15.14. that God will take out of the nations a people for His NAME..........IT IS THE NAME OF JEHOVAH GOD......who is named Jehovah's Witness out of all the nations ? who is fulling the prophecy at Matthew 24.14........??????????? their is no other religion called by the name of Jehovah?????????? is there .. think about it
Hello, Many of the claims made on this comment section are actually completely inaccurate. For those who are interested, please go to: ctrussell(dot)wordpress(dot)com
@721Loretta which ones are false? Physical evidence. I showed you that CTR was into pyramidology and you didn't refute it. I think you need to read more of CTR's documents. I showed you were you can read them.
@721Loretta Hi Loretta, yes I saw that website thank you. However the claims made on the pro Russell website are not backed up by any facts. Simply put most of the claims are nothing more than false innuendo and carefully word smithed passages with sarcastic rhetoric designed to pursuade readers from learning the real truth about Charles Taze Russel's heresies. Have a glorious day!
@721Loretta Sorry Loretta but you are wrong again. As these documents are publicly available through the watcthower society. Pastor Russel's sermons are widely accepted as "existent" by the Watchtower Society and Apostates alike. I am afraid that your facade had been exposed once again.
Loretta it is apperent that you are not a JW. Perhaps you are an IBSA member? At any rate your argument is fallacious and written intentionally to mislead the readers of this post.
Pastor Charles Russell in his own words: "Masons...In proportion as such societies consume valuable time in foolish, senseless rites and ceremonies, and in substituting the worship of their officers...for the worship of God, in his appointed way-through Christ...in that proportion these societies are grievous evils..." WT Volume 4 Pg. 1827
He was neither a free mason, a pyramidologist nor a knights templar. The symbols on the pyramid are rep. various things in God's kingdom.
@721Loretta he was a pyramidologist. Please look for books he wrote. Go to archieve dot org or books dot google dot com. look for "charles taze russell pyramid". Enjoy!
@EastGateShut Hello. Thank you so much for your reply. I actually have read what Pastor Russell wrote about the pyramid and it had absolutely nothing to do with the Knights Templar. Can you elucidate what CRS 359 is for me? I'm sorry, but it looks like you are reading inaccurate information. I have his original (not copies) Watch Towers and books and the symbols you are referring to were not meant to represent the Masons or Rosicrucianism or any such thing. They were actually religious.
@shufx Actually I have most of his writings and what you are saying is in none of them. As for using the symbol of a pyramid to symbolize something religious, this type of symbolism was also extensively used by Jesus Christ - sheep, women, water, stones, buildings, etc. etc., etc. This is not heretical.
Sorry my friend, but the quotes you are ascribing to him do not actually exist. I have the original (not copied) books, old as they are. And no, I am not a JW.
@721Loretta Sorry Loretta but you are wrong again. As these documents are publicly available through the watcthower society. Pastor Russel's sermons are widely accepted as "existent" by the Watchtower Society and Apostates alike. I am afraid that your facade had been exposed once again.
Loretta it is apperent that you are not a JW. Perhaps you are an IBSA member? At any rate your argument is fallacious and written intentionally to mislead the readers of this post.
@721Loretta I'm sorry Loretta it seems that your pride has gotten the best of you this time. First off I have the physical books stamped with the Watcthower Society's copyright so there is proof that they do exist. Second you can order Pastor Russel's sermons directly from the Watcthower Bible and Tract Society so this proves that your bluiff has been called. Third you are not a JW so what would you know about heresy? 4th You don't :0
@721Loretta I think most of these comments are for shufx. But I did a search on google for what "pyramidology" is. Wikipedia had a page on it. To my surprise Charles Taze Russell was right there. By definition Russell was doing pyramidology by putting a date he derived from how many feet were in the Great Pyramid. On the pyramid in this video you see the cross and crown. You also if you look at the very top section can see the "all seeing eye". All images used by the masons.
A thousand years during which these Knights Templar are to scatter blessings to all the families of the earth.
and he said: Would you like to become one of these Knights Templar?
And he said: I wonder how many of us here present have taken the first step, the first degree? I wonder how many have gone on to take the second and third degrees? I wonder how many have come into
@721Loretta Oh by the way please see The Chart of the Ages. And the divine plan of the ages. Written by CT Russel and Published by the Watcthower Society. He published books with the Pyramid, with masonic symbols on it such as the Winged Sun Disk. He wrote Three Worlds, Millenial Dawn, and Founded the Watcthower which all three titles are used in Rosicrucianism which is tied into Freemasonry.
@shufx Hello. Yes, thank you, I have seen "The Chart of the Ages" and have read the "Divine Plan of the Ages". The symbol that has the crown in it is a reference to the church: "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them...and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Revelation 20:4 In the chart of the ages he is simply using the pyramid as a symbol to represent God's kingdom.
@721Loretta Wait a minute! You said that you seen the the chart that he uses the Great Pyramid as a symbol to represent God's Kingdom? Partially true but I must say LOL it came out of your mouth not mine! I call Heresy!
@721Loretta ya and so thats why he committed suicide and why the masons did in fact set up the JW worship crap and originally were called "rusellists" lol
They keep separate from the ungodly world as did Noah and many other prophets in the bible. READ John 17:14. Jehovah's Witnesses follow EXACTLY THE BIBLE. They do serve Christ our Lord. Matthew 4:17 is when Jesus started preaching. He taught his disciples to preach in Matthew chapter 10. Matthew 10:14 tells them to go house to house. Matthew 24:14 says this good news of the kingdom will be preached..."
Jesus told his disciples to make disciples at Matt: 28:19,20,"... make disciples..."
Man the Watchtower's Shills and Sockpuppets run rampant on this post. They have poor excuses for everything. Most seasoned elders become stunned when learning of this info. But the JW on here seem to have an explanation "excuse" for everything. Mind tricks are for the weak minded.
Do your research. First the symbol of the cross and crown is not a symbol of the masons. It has been used for years as a christian symbol. many churches use it. To single out one orginization and blashpeme them is ignorant. masons may use a similar symbol, but was all use similar symbols in life. Second, it is clear that the "masonic temple" was built way after Russell's death. They have no relation at all. It's like me saying that ur a mason because ur beside it in the video.
@RandallPStudios So should you. The freemasons also use this symbol for their highest degree which is the order of the Knights Templar. Which it seems that Russel was infatuated with according to his own writings. Russel also preached his sermons many times over inside the Masonic Meeting Halls. Not to be confused with Kingdom Hall Meetings. And during these sermons he spoke at many occaisons of the RELIGION OF FREEMASONRY! You are a Shill! GTFO!
@shufx you say the free masons also used the symbol? So what? Many symbols are used earth/history wide for many different reasons. To say that JW's are masonic becuse they used one of the same symbols as the masons is ignorant. I've done my research. They have no masonic origin. The testimonies that say Russel was a mason are false. Stop believeing everything that you read on the internet. 99% of it is crap. dig deeper. Know your stuff before you talk about it for the world to see.
@RandallPStudios You are the worst shill that I have ever encountered. First off I have copies of Russel's sermons. Out of his own words "I AM A FREE AND ACCEPTED FREEMASON". Another writing of RUSSEL's " TODAY WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE RELIGION OF FREEMASONRY", etc, etc etc,
Know your shit before opening your mouth. You are making yourself look like a lame.
@shufx Ive read several, to be honest, i'm not on a rampage to claim that russel wasn't a mason. It's not a hobby of mine. So i'd have to go back and look at them. But i will re-read them and look for your quote, just to be on the safe side. Like i said, i'm not looking from an insider perspective. I want to know all angles. Even yours. The previous comment was calling your bluff. So find for me where you read that...lol so i don't have to read them all, and i will read it for myself.
@shufx is there anywhere online that has a copy of the sermon that you are speaking of, (one that is exactly like yours, i know there are probably 100s of variations of them, the internet is tricky like that)
@RandallPStudios I'll tell you what. You should order these documents directly from the watchtower society themselves. If not you can order them online. Nothing better that reading directly from the ink off the Watchtower's presses. Oh by the way? Why does my Green Bible have a Dinosaur running around with men? It says The Ancient World before our common era. Last I checked there were no dinosaurs running around the Sudan during the time of the Pharohs.
@shufx haha... green bible with a dino? but what documents are you speaking of? i would order them to get further knowlege and understanding...but which ones?
@RandallPStudios You can order any of these books and you will see Masonic Symbols and Speak all over them. The Plan of the Ages – later renamed The Divine Plan of the Ages (1886), The Time is at Hand (1889), Thy Kingdom Come (1891), The Day of Vengeance – later renamed The Battle of Armageddon (1897), The At-one-ment Between God and Men (1899), The New Creation (1904), Pastor Russel's Convention Discourses "All of them"!
@RandallPStudios You have to read through it. It uses phrases Masonic Phrases. Read Pastor Russel's Convention Discourses. You can read just about anything in those without the words Freemason being mentioned.
@shufx well, i will look through it. ... i'll let you know what i find. but like i said before... find me proof. If i believed this strongly in something, i'd give you evidense of why i believe it is true. Do the same for me. i'm taking a nap now...lol..i'm tired and have to work in a few... let me know what u find, and i'll let you know what i find.
@shufx My experience with JW's was more pleasent. I ask questions and they gave me good, bible based answers. Exactly what i was looking for. I never asked about a dino, but it seems irrelevent to the bible to me. When it comes to the bible, if you believe it is the word of god, it doesn't matter how u learn what is says. What matters is that u learn it. A christian should put faith in the Bible, not in a religion or a preacher. if you don't believe the bible, its all irrelevent anyway.
@RandallPStudios You see you need to know about their long and extremly corrupt origins to understand where they came from. The older bibles reference Westcott & Hort, & Johanes Greber for their translation which they profess to be the most accurate versions. FYI the mentioned schollars are also knows occultists. In lamens terms they were Satan Worshipers and they admitted it! But don't take my word for it.
@shufx I don't take anyones "word for it." where are you getting these names? I want to know exactly where and why you connect them with the NWT bible. Where is this information coming from? I have found where greber translated a bible. But why would he do that if he was a satan worshiper?
@RandallPStudios The older Bibles like the green Bible with the Dinosaur have their names written on the prefaces. Also the watchtower society even to this day still reference Westcott & Hort. As far as why would a Satan worshipper translate the bible. In my opinion it is to milead the followers. And my other opinion I will keep to myself.
@shufx That's what i thought. I found that exact copy. 1961, Green Cover, NWT, Has little dino on inside map. didn't mention any of those names in the preface. Are you sure it's in the preface? What page are you looking at?
@RandallPStudios The Bible's do reference westcott & hort. Also the interlinear Bible names Johannes Greber. I'll have to look at my bibles and find the version that reference Westcott & Hort. By the way you can order TShirts online that say "Jaraczik Park" "Brooklyn Heights NY" of course named after the WTBTS belated President.
@shufx Well let me know when you find it. if you find it. I have a good feeling that it isn't there and that you've only read that it is there somewhere on the internet. But if it is there i'd like to know. I'm not really sure what your point was about teh Tshirts, i've never heard of them and don't know what u r referencing.
@RandallPStudios How about this, go to the Offical Watcthower website and lookup Westcott & Hort. LOL I am becoming wary of you being obsessed with trying to disprove me. You have just about inspired me to gather all evidence and make a documentary for the world to see. I will only publish what I can prove!
The master text by Westcott and Hort, used extensively as a basis for the New World Translation, puts the sentence in double brackets. It notes that the sentence “must lie under strong presumption of having been introduced by scribes.”
@RandallPStudios I saved the web page for future reference and video recorded the website visit just in case this article happens to dissappear. ROFL!
@shufx I'm not trying to disprove you. I'm trying to get the facts out on the table. Everything i have seen so far has been assumptions and hearsay. I only rely on facts. I will look this up.
@RandallPStudios LOL everything you've seen so far is hearsay? How so? The watchtower's offical website references Westcott & Hort as their main reference for the NWT? How the fuck is that hearsay? It is apperant that you are here to mislead the readers of this post through innuendo and doublespeak. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@shufx Lol. Don't be dumb. I just told you i was going to look it up. As hearsay i was referring to all of the other references. I looked at the article you suggested. You are correct on the fact that they referenced Westcott and Hort. But they are not condemned yet. That leads us to another question. Who were Westcott & Hort? and Does referencing their work show fault in the NWT? So far, research has given a lot of OPINIONS (in both directions). None of which hold any ground. I'll keep lookin.
@RandallPStudios Dude you are such a "Payroll Appologist" it ain't even funny. Now it's your turn to make your argument. What proof do you have that CT Russel was not a Freemason? What proof do you have that Westcott and Hort have no connection to the Occult? What proof do you have that Greber was not an Occultist?
And for some reason all of you Watchtower Appologists paid and unpaid alike have no problems with the fact that the Bible was translated by known Occultists. You are pathetic!
@shufx First stop using these rediculous name callings: Payroll appologist? Wth? Second. What proof do you have that you are not an occultist or freemason? You're reasoning is backwards. you are looking at it as "guilty until proven innocent" In that type of reasoning, Jesus was a freemason. The bible doesn't say he wasn't. So he is. Instead, you must conclude "Innocent until proven guilty." In that type of reasoning, you must prove, or show strong evidence, that these men are occultic or masons
@RandallPStudios I'm sorry but I am still awaiting your proof that will exonerrate these allegations? If you are playing the role of defense then please state your evidence. You are blindly defending them and you are blindly ingnoring the evidence. e.g.
Westcott & Hort's Connections to the Occult
Johaness Greber to the Occult
CT Russel's Speaches about becoming a freemason, hand grips, knights templar, A big fucking pyramid commisioned by the Watchtower, Masonic symbols on books etc. GTFO
@shufx lol, you would make a terrible lawyer. Defense doesn't have to have evidence. Just to disprove the allegations made. You are getting mad because you don't know how to support your theories. Because you probably can't. You are blindly accusing them. I've asked, more than once, for the sermons where CTR says he's a freemason. You can't give it to me. Can you? Masonic symbols are simply symbols that mansons use TOO. Westcott and Hort had NO occult connections. Greber is a random name you are
@RandallPStudios I told you like five times earlier that you need to order the documents directly from the Watcthower Society. What is wrong with you?
@shufx yeah. I could order a ton of documents from the Watchtower. Why don't you just tell me one document, what page(s) i need to look on, and what it says. I will do my research from there. You're the one who stands by the fact that they are occultic and masonic. You should be able to help me see that. What if i was trying to be a JW. Wouldn't u want to persuade me not to? You're ignorant if you think i'm going to read 20 books to find something that YOU say is in there. I may never find it.
Charles "Taint" Russell. What a crackpot. Bet he started JW's to compensate for his tiny penis.
synthetica83 4 weeks ago
I was brought up as a Jehovahs Witness and it left the most horrific and terrible result on my life that you could possibly imagine. Everybody was living double lives and there was really bad physical and sexual harm going on that had a lasting impact on my life. Just watching this gives me the creeps and I can't believe that they are still allowed to wreck havoc and harm still in our society today. As for my own mother and family , I don't even speak to them anymore. what evil hypocrites them.
pagandude1 1 month ago
Too many holes and inconsistencies in the JW religion.The end of the world was predicted how many times? Michael the archangel is not the brother of Jesus! etc.. etc... always remember that every knee will bow, every tongue will confess J E S U S is LORD!
stephenallynhardin 1 month ago
well JWs are not 'religion worshippers'. They do not use this concept of Masonic structure in their teachings today. The beginning of 'JWs' was/is the unveiling of propaganda within christendom. Its spiritual pattern is likened to circumcision. Its interesting how JWs are a teaching of measures that simply correct attitudes. Christendom is practically an adulterated way if you remove the veil. I compare the teachings to a crystal quartz. Waste matter becoming pure through the pressures of time.
chanel6275 1 month ago
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keithcccstudent 2 months ago
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Isn't it curious, then, that in Russell's own book, Studies in the Scriptures Vol. IV, (1897), that he mentioned secret societies such as the Masons, equated them with Christendom & the governments, & said that it woud be good to break your 'oath' & get out of it? That means that at least by that time, Russell was no longer a member, if he EVER was.
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VarietyFilmCorpVideo 3 months ago
Pastor another conman who was obsessed with pyramids, and he got it wrong
malkaraatgw1 4 months ago
Amen my brother this is so true. It's so sad that many Jehovah's witnesses have no idea of there own past :( . I pray that whoever reads this will be set free in the name if Jesus. From that false religion
JohnJayRambo1 6 months ago
@eternityandforever since you read the bible a lot could you define what a false prophet is and give me a couple examples in say the last 100 years?
EastGateShut 6 months ago
@EastGateShut Dueteronomy 18: 20-22 says "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” 21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."
shufx 3 months ago
@unhandledException1 Yes. After I cleaned my underwear. Ha ha!
mrobinson9896 7 months ago
It would be funny if someone painted it in Steelers colors. Or Browns colors.
mrobinson9896 7 months ago
What I find interesting is in "What does the Bible Teach" book on pg.204-206 they give reasons why "true christians" do not use the cross, and it's on their founders tomb...FAIL.
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eternityandforever 7 months ago
I was a JW for 20 years and it was my knowledge of the REAL truth about JWs that made me an "apostate" in the Jws eyes. When we were young, the JWs held their conventions at the Scottish Rite Cathedral in PA. Also, those questioning the authenticity of the pyramid-answer these questions. Why is his actual grave right next to a Masonic temple? Coincidence? Why the use of Masonic/pyramidology/Egyptology symbols in early Wt/IBS literature? Face it-it's real.
pghdjmarty 8 months ago
@pghdjmarty Do you have photos of Meetings at a Masonic Hall? That would be very good to have. In fact who were the elders at that time? I would like to know if any of those elders were card carrying members.
shufx 2 months ago
Did the watchtower think they can hide this and everything they do?
LOL The Watchtower does a good job to brainwash people
I feel sorry for tHe J DUBS the blind following the blind
isaacice5 8 months ago
5) Do they work harder than anyone else? Or is it to free time for internal affairs or have more time recruiting people into this organisation - I will not call it a religion anymore. After what I heard from my brothers inhumanity concerning what I'm about to face, I feel no qualms about exposing him and his life-long deciet.
Jeorney 8 months ago
4) The illness my brother (incl. his wife) claims to have is ME (Myalgic Encephalopathy, or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome). Do some research & you'll find many JW's claim to have this condition -Why?. Its a condition that can't be proved or disproved. I have never seen any real symtoms. I've seen him dancing with more energy I have. Once he tried to fake it as I announced suspicion, and he faked being asleep. Trouble is most people face muscles drop when asleep and his didn't.
Jeorney 8 months ago
@Jeorney Hi, having health problems is difficult. There may be times a person feels better and can do more. I think when a person eats raw fruits and veggies, they might have a better energy day the next day, and possibly that day. So they could still have an illness. Don't judge so much, and show LOVE> try to understand and help people and not so judging.
eternityandforever 8 months ago
@eternityandforever Having a health problem doesn't mean that he can also implicity suggest slavery is a good idea - isn't that a judgement of the worse kind. I see you make no reference to that point. I know who I'm talking about, as he shows no sign of the problem. Also I recognise that JW's have the highest rate of so called ME sufferers. Why would one group all come down with the same problem. The fact that its hard to prove or disprove is obviously a factor being taken advantage of.
Jeorney 8 months ago
3) few, the Patrician class, and to some extent the plebian class. The rest is slaves. Even the letter I recieved for my first "retrining" placement has a logo of a roman building from an organisation called Maximus. Also an 'investors in people' logo which has a laurel leaves around it. What people have feared is now happening right now. My JW brother is also unemployed is exempt as he claims an illness, but I've seen no symtoms. Wake up people, wake up now.
Jeorney 8 months ago
2) ... for the same benefit money for up to 2 years (at the moment) and they'll call it retraining. Retraining to be a slave in a crummy occupation. Minimum wage has been circumvented. A slave has no rights. This will spread folks as competition will demand it. I'm unemployed but have a degree and it makes no difference. My brother thinks is just great as it proves his point. Their god is a man made god. The New Rome will be for groups like them. Remember Rome was only enjoyed by a ...
Jeorney 8 months ago
1) The heaven on earth the JW's is begining to happen. But this is not from God, but diabolical people who are wrecking everything now. Even Slavery has started in the UK if your unemployed like myself. My JW brother even seems to be implicitally supporting it. His heart must be dead. So could it be that this golden world the JW is for groups like them, but for the rest of us it will be hell & slavery. If Slavery in the UK sounds far fetched, its not. Its starting to happen. People work ..
Jeorney 8 months ago
I don't think this memorial is masonic in symbolism, just representing Russell's belief that the Great Pyramid of Giza was divinely inspired. It was an odd teaching, one which the Watchtower thankfully realized wasn't biblical shortly after.
I've looked into it before, but I can't really find any evidence beyond speculation and symbol analysis that Russell had any ties to freemasonry. The Freemasons themselves deny he was ever a member. It could still be possible, though.
HardbeatAcolyte 9 months ago
@HardbeatAcolyte Russel's sermon The Temple of God actually says that the pyramid is the very emblem that they use. And he uses contant references to the freemasons in that sermon. Furthermore he talks about becoming a knight templar in his sermon. In other writings he speaks highly of the Rothschilds and how they are such wonderful bankers.etc, etc. Buy some of his books. They have ties to freemasonry all over them.
shufx 9 months ago
@HardbeatAcolyte You don't think the memorial is masonic because you have been trained to avoid "independent" thinking, which in reality is only critical thinking. The pyramid in Giza isnt covered in crosses and stars at the top. If Russell wanted to reference the pyramid only, why include MASONIC symbols? You don't "think" it's odd that the street leading up to the marker is named MASONIC WAY? We are not "apostates" my friend. We are the ones who took the red pill...
damightyom 9 months ago
@damightyom Thanks for your concern, but I'm neither a Witness nor do I have an aversion to individual thought, I just like to have a balanced, rational view of alternative viewpoints, including religion :)
Yes, the symbol of the cross & crown has been associated with the Knights Templar, but the Bible Students was hardly the only other group to use a similar symbol. Realistically, it merely represents the Christian concept of Jesus as head of God's kingdom, which is a sentiment I can't fault
HardbeatAcolyte 9 months ago
@HardbeatAcolyte There's a reason some of us "red pillers" are so passionate about the idea Charles Taze may have been hiding something. CTR has an infallibility for the low level Witness, who is never allowed to question the validity of his core teachings. When you realized the whole thing is bullshit, you see how deeply power is allowed to corrupt society. This is not a religion, it's a pyramid scheme hiding behind false prophesies. Is it Masonic? Do Masons exist? These are fair questions:)
damightyom 9 months ago
@damightyom Word
shufx 8 months ago
@HardbeatAcolyte Just like you said earlier. YOU ARE NOT A JEHOVAS WITNESS. So you would never understand what this means to us. And the other witnesses here defending against these claims are put here to deceive the public. Any true witness would know this.
shufx 8 months ago
@shufx Sorry if I misunderstood, I meant no offense at all. I have a lot of admiration for Jehovah's Witnesses, and I don't judge the Bible Students for their former misunderstandings, as they were corrected in time.
Did the cross and crown not represent to the Bible Students the authority of Christ as ruler of Christians? I seriously doubt this video's claims that the founder of the Bible Students was a Freemason, or that he had a masonic agenda.
HardbeatAcolyte 8 months ago
@HardbeatAcolyte Well I guess CT Russel's sermon that he gave in a Masonic Temple does not mean anything to you either. Or the fact that he said in his sermon at the Masonic Temple
"And so if we talk to our Masonic friends about the Temple and its meaning, and about being good Masons, and about the Great Pyramid, which is the very emblem they use" and he said "But we are not going to discuss the Great Pyramid this afternoon. We are going to discuss free and accepted Masonry"
shufx 8 months ago
@shufx Could you please give some verifiable references for that quote, aside from anti-JW sites?
HardbeatAcolyte 8 months ago
@HardbeatAcolyte The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. The sermon is called the Temple of God. You can order a hard copy on Amazon.com. Or your can download a copy of Pastor Russel's discourses and sermons from the Watcthower Archives. Other good reading by Pastor Russel is "God's Secret Society" "Jewish Hopes" he praises the Rothschilds several times in that book, and "Divine Plan of the Ages" which is my personal favorite.
shufx 8 months ago
JW/s have been trained to deny the call of their own reason. There has to be a major failure in their lives, or they have to see the gap in the Newtonian world of JW's and the quantum society we live in today, or they may have a genuine mystical experience, their first real taste of God. Whatever happens it must be a life changing event or thought that shakes their world to the root. They can easily deny reason when watching things like this though, it's what they are trained to do.
damightyom 9 months ago
@damightyom Wow! That was well thought out and well said.
shufx 9 months ago
Yall believe this foolishness if yall want, im a prey for yall
mydog1527 9 months ago
@mydog1527 ignant
shufx 9 months ago
Secomndly, Moses was an Egyptian King before he parted the Red Sea and led Gods People, Joseph was sold into slavery and rose to prominence by interpreting Pharoh dreams, and the Israelites moved into Egypt ... So what if god uses secret society to further his agenda, Beats being blanket all american cookie cuter pagan part of the mainstream voters Nephilim seed like you. Maybe I’m the fucking son of man and also the Anti fucking Christ, Maybe demon seeds are the ones to get the 666. not shp.
eternalblackproject1 9 months ago
Yah know, any hater of Jehovah’s witnesses could of purchased that plot to put up that Pyramid just to defraud the witnesses. I’d like to see proof the organization put that there, they must still own it then? It’s far from his grave, like 20 years after possibly. Maybe his hatin family members put it uP?
eternalblackproject1 9 months ago
@eternalblackproject1 maybe i just photoshopped the pyramid in to get my agenda going. I wouldn't mind you exposing the people who put this 7 foot tall pyramid here. Can you look into the history for me?
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@EastGateShut Hi, are you an ex-JW? I would like to say something to you if you aren't. Please remember the apostle Paul even condoned the killing of Stephen, a disciple of Christ. People can change over time, as they learn bible truths. Would you like everyone to know your mistakes you made many years ago? Don't you learn over time, and realize wisdom the older you get. "STOP judging that YOU may not be judged; for with what judgement YOU are measuring out, they will measure to YOU. Matthew 7:1
eternityandforever 8 months ago
@eternityandforever I have never been a JW. I am trying to show you the watchtower is a false prophet. The bible says Deu 18:20-22 to stay away from them if they predict things like dates that never happen. Also see Matt 7:15
EastGateShut 8 months ago
@EastGateShut You don't know what you speak. The bible says at the end of days, true knowledge will become abundant-Daniel 12:4. He got prophecy dates from the BIBLE, not where you say. You don't know our true teachings, so you shouldn't come on here saying you do... That is a false prophet for ya!
eternityandforever 8 months ago
@eternityandforever 1914, 1915, 1925, (Beth sarim), 1975, 2000. Seems like good prophecy to me... If just ONE of them didn't come true.. False prophet. Look up your history!
EastGateShut 8 months ago
What's very interesting is whenever I look up the so called watchtower articles that said these dates would be the coming of the end, I seem to turn up empty handed. Do I see the dates talked about in the early watchtower articles. Absolutely, but in a completely different way. I seem to find statements like "could 1914 be the coming of our lord...it very well could be" or "we do not claim to be prophets". Now whenever I see posts like these, these statements are conspicuously missing. Why?
randpup 8 months ago
@EastGateShut LOL that'll shut them up. A good book to read for JW's is the Finished Mystery written by CT Russel. It speaks of how the great pyramid is the God's Witness. And how the dimensions of the Pyramid equal the date of 1914. And it does not matter how a person can change to be righteous. That is not the point. The point is that a religion can not be pure if it came from Occult like origins. Just as Deuteronmy 18:20-22 says that a false prophet is not speaking God's word.
shufx 7 months ago
@eternityandforever, Russell got his Bible chronology from the great pyramid in Giza, the WTBTS admitts it. Proclaimers book page 201, this book was printed by the WTBTS to explain it's past deceptively. You don't know your true teachings, so you shouldn't come on here saying you do! Both Russell and Rutherford taught that Jesus returned in 1874 this date wasn't officially changed to 1914 until 1943 which means the WTBTS missed their critical appointment in 1919 and have no authority!
epidome 8 months ago
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fonz1231 7 months ago
@EastGateShut The Watchtower Society is in NO WAY a false prophet. I can tell you DON'T read the bible very much at all. YOU would NEVER have said such a T W I S T E D thing as they are false. I have researched the bible for many years, copied it down BY HAND many months, too. I KNOW they are true in everything they teach. They really are following Jesus Christ. IF you read the bible, and stopped reading all the false info out there, mayby you could see it... :D
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@eternityandforever Hi Eternity! Could you tell me about the 1914 Generation that was said to never pass away? I am reading the Revelation book and it's grand climax at hand. The book says that people from the 1914 generation will see the end of the world. That generation is long gone. And what about that book in 1925 "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"? I am positive that there is less than 1 million JW's still alive from that era that era. Oh yeah please explain 1975. The world didn't end!
shufx 6 months ago
@shufx read Habkkuk 2.3"For the vision is yet for the appointed time and it keeps panting on to the end and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it for it will without fail come true.It will not be late.....this is my answer to you even if it should delay it will not be late....Peace to you friend Jehovah's Witness are still going to preach the good news of the kingdom... what you preach is sad hate and venom. do not judge or you will be judged Peace
jazzbassf 2 months ago
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TheRealYungBank 4 months ago
@eternityandforever test all things!
fonz1231 7 months ago
@eternityandforever can i ask you a question,without the hat and foolishness?
fonz1231 7 months ago
@eternityandforever C.T. Russell believed that the 1,914 steps in the Great Pyramid symbolized the the year that Jesus would return. The pyramid is real, there is a photo of it in the "Proclaimer's of God's Kingdom" book (the big green one) CT Russell's teachings are still taught by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Although recently the entire 1914 doctrine was changed from the generation that saw Christ come into power to overlapping generations of people who saw the event. Frauds!
drevildruid 7 months ago
@drevildruid NO, Charles Taze Russell used the BIBLE to reveal the 1914 year as the end of the Gentile Times. I have researched this, and it all checks out. There is no fraud. IF you would read your bible alot more than you do, you would probably see it yourself! I can send the scriptures that JEHOVAH GOD has revealed to us as to his appointed times. YOU JUST NEED TO READ. Read the bible, not false storybooks about JW's, ok?
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@eternityandforever Sorry I'm a former JW and I know what he did and did not teach. Try reading the Studies in the Scriptures and the Millenial Dawn series and you will find the answers there, not in WT publications that have been altered over time to hide these facts. Thanks for playing though.
drevildruid 6 months ago
@drevildruid if you are a former JW are you disfellowshipped ?
jazzbassf 2 months ago
@jazzbassf I left of my own accord after I discovered the truth about "The Truth". I was summarily disfellowshipped for apostasy which in and of itself is kinda amusing considering Jesus and the Apostles were treated the exact same way by the Jewish religion.
drevildruid 1 month ago
@eternityandforever I'm guessing that you used Watchtower publications in your research instead of independent sources that have nothing to gain? try Googling the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians, you will get a very different year than what the WTS says. "Jehovah" didn't reveal anything to the Governing Body. They are False Prophets. Consider all the failed prophecies they have uttered. I'm sure you will dismiss it though as you have more faith in men than in God.
drevildruid 6 months ago
@eternalblackproject1 LOL that is the Watchtower's plot. They purchased it in the early 1900's. Joe blow can't just erect a memorial on a paid plot. That is illegal and the Watchtower society could have it legally removed.
shufx 9 months ago
@shufx I would expect GOD to use secretive means agAinst Satans world.
eternalblackproject1 9 months ago
@eternalblackproject1
Russell was buried in Rosemont United Cemetery, Pittsburgh. The gravesite is marked by a headstone, nearby stands a 7-foot-tall (2.1 m) pyramid memorial erected by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in 1921. The Jehovah's Witnesses were formed many years afterward, under the leadership of Judge Rutherford, whose followers broke away from the Bible Students organization formed by Russell.
Babyhowdy233 7 months ago
(cont.) It's important to understand that the organization which Russell formed CONTINUES to exist today, they just fly under the radar so to speak. Their doctrines have changed little since the days of their founder (Russell, not Rutherford) and are VERY different from what Jehovah's Witnesses teach and believe.
Babyhowdy233 7 months ago
(cont.) Following views first taught by Christian writers such as John Taylor, Charles Piazzi Smyth and Joseph Seiss, Russell believed the Great Pyramid of Giza was built by the Hebrews (associated to the Hyksos) under God’s direction, but to be understood only in our day. He adopted and used Seiss's phrase referring to it as "the Bible in stone".
Babyhowdy233 7 months ago
(cont.) He believed that certain biblical texts, including Isaiah 19:19–20 and others, prophesied a future understanding of the Great Pyramid and adopted the view that the various ascending and descending passages represented the fall of man, the provision of the Mosaic Law, the death of Christ, the exultation of the saints in heaven, etc.
Babyhowdy233 7 months ago
(cont.) Calculations were made using the pattern of an inch per year. Dates such as 1874, 1914, and 1948 were purported to have been found through the study of this monument. It's for this reason (his belief system involving the Great Pyramid) that his followers later erected this pyramid monument in 1921, a full five years after his death.
Babyhowdy233 7 months ago
(cont.)
In June 1913, during his transcontinental speaking tour, Russell gave a discourse in a Masonic hall in San Francisco, where he stated: "Although I have never been a Mason ... Something I do seems to be the same as Masons do, I don't know what it is; but they often give me all kinds of grips and I give them back, then I tell them I don't know anything about it except just a few grips that have come to me naturally".
Babyhowdy233 7 months ago
(cont.) In Russell's Special 1913 Convention Report of the Internal Bible Students, under the subject of "The Temple of Gods" is a discourse by Pastor Russell in which he makes it very clear that he WAS NOT a freemason at any time. I read that report many years ago, and it is still available online should anyone care to read it. After Russell's death, rumors were started that he had been a mason, at which point the Masonic Grand Lodge issued an official statement of denial, which remains today.
Babyhowdy233 7 months ago
@Babyhowdy233 LOL yes everyone should read that sermon! Especailly the part where he says: And so if we talk to our Masonic friends about the Temple and its meaning, and about being good Masons, and about the Great Pyramid, which is the very emblem they use, and what the Great Pyramid signifies. And he said...But we are not going to discuss the Great Pyramid this afternoon. We are going to discuss free and accepted Masonry-- LOL you forgot about that part didn't ya?
shufx 7 months ago
@shufx Glad you found that! can you forward info, link to view this sermon, reslight needs to look into this since this man is dillusional-despite the fact you can show him hardcore evidence and yet, he is blinded. I would love to read the sermon-please post the link-would be interesting read!!
oliviaswarden 3 months ago
@Babyhowdy233 You are twisting scripture son.
shufx 6 months ago
@eternalblackproject1 .........Uh, I hate to tell you this, but the WatchTower's own (recent) publications acknowledge that THEY THEMSELVES placed that tomb marker there. See "The Proclaimers" book, page 201. Although, much of what they write about their history in this publication is completely whtiewashed and misleading. What a mess!
1vw4me 3 months ago
@1vw4me I just turned to page 201 and I don't see anything here about a tomb marker, but only the Practices that Jehovah's Witnesses have abondoned, like Christmas celebrations, the Cross symbol, the celebrating of birthdays just like first century christians, and the Great Pyramid of gizeh... where on page 201 does it say in the Proclaimers book tomb marker?????????????????????? or did someone tell you this without proof? read your bible and get the turht of God's word please.......
jazzbassf 2 months ago
@jazzbassf How about reading a bible that was not translated by the founders of the Ghostly Guild and Johaness Greber. They are all well known Occult Spiritists? In fact how about reading the bible without the Watchtower. As far as reading the bible goes you should read Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book
shufx 2 months ago
I love how the Pyramid has the inscription, "Dead with Christ". Since when is Christ dead? Aren't Christians supposed to be "Alive in Christ" or something like that if they have Holy Spirit directing their lives? Kind of a funky, stupid play on words on their part. Strange.
1vw4me 3 months ago
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eternalblackproject1 9 months ago
I just want to re-affirm with the readers of this post that the Watcthower has their paid goons posting comments on this post to distract and mislead you. C.T. Russel is aknowledged as their founder and yes his doctrines are still used as a basis of this religion's dogma minus the obvious occult symbols and heretical teachings of the Great Pyramid.
shufx 9 months ago
@shufx Jehovah's Witness do not have paid pastors or elders, they do it free just like Jesus and his apolstles, and not like Christendom who are a paid clergy. We pay a modest amount for the circuit overseers and his expenses on a voluntary donation basis. I received free and give of myself free not for money and have been preaching for over 36 years.This good news of the kingdom will be preached for a WITNESS....THEN THE END WILL COME... what is the rest of world preaching?????
jazzbassf 2 months ago
@jazzbassf LOL and you think we are at end times. This is how gullible you are. Keep believing that. I guarantee you that you and your grand children's children will never see Armageddon. First off it's illegal to preach in many countries so you have ZERO chance of fulfilling bible prophecy any time soon. Second your religion, your bible translation, and your core beliefs come from Satanic Origins. So I am not worried about it.
shufx 2 months ago
Jehovah witness doctrine does not even closely resemble the doctrines of CTR. He may have founded the watchtower tract society originally but his beliefs have nothing to do with today's JW's or the watchtower itself. They don't believe that you die and go up with christ they believe in death until judgement, they don't even believe in the cross, they teach Jesus died on a stake. They don't have a special take on pyramids either. JW's dont acknowledge CTR as their founder because he's not.
Mungmyballs 9 months ago
@Mungmyballs so your saying that when Russell started the Watchtower they were in pitch black, Now you are in flickering light?
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@EastGateShut I'm saying if you what you are saying is true, his beliefs are not representative of current Jehovah Witness beliefs. But from what I understand your accusations against CTR are open to debate and are not solid fact. Sounds to me like you are a former JW yourself who was probably dismembershipped and have a mandate now of discrediting them. Am I right?
Mungmyballs 9 months ago
@Mungmyballs Never been a Jehovah Witness. Sure debating is awesome. I have a few people i know and care about who are witnesses. So I have looked into their history. What about you?
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@EastGateShut I have looked into their beliefs but not so much their origins. I am familiar with CTR but do not claim to know all about him. Interesting though as Ive always been curious to how the JW's started and do find it kinda odd that they've only popped up in the last 100 years. I know a few JW's and they are some of the nicest people I have ever met and very passionate about their religion. They seem to live by the bible better than any other religion I've come across.
Mungmyballs 9 months ago
@Mungmyballs i agree with you that JWs are nice and sincere people. Their leadership is in question here along with their leaders writings and their translation of the Bible. The governing body is the truth where "Jesus is the truth" from my perspective.
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@Mungmyballs AWAKE!!! YOU ARE A MORON
gnostic8911 9 months ago
@gnostic8911 The moron part I understand :) but awake??? Explain your comment loser.
Mungmyballs 9 months ago
@Mungmyballs Obviously you don't understand sarcasm. keep sleeping then
gnostic8911 9 months ago
@Mungmyballs It is interesting that you say that CT Russel's Doctrines are not even similar to modern day Witness teaching. I have all of C.T. Russels books. And they basically teach the same thing about armegeddon, 1914, that jesus was not a trinity, and their belief on going to hell and heaven. Even the same beliefs of the annointed class or 144,000 are still the same. The only noticeable differences are the changes in their doctrine to support their doomsday prophecies when they fail.
shufx 9 months ago
@shufx Jehovah's Witnesses no longer have any teaching about the stone witness/Great Pyramid of Giza - that's quite a significant difference, and one which modern Bible Student denominations disagree with JWs on
HardbeatAcolyte 9 months ago
@HardbeatAcolyte True. However the JW doctrine is nearly identicle to that of Russells. Armegeddon, Paradise on Earth, No such thing as hell,1914 etc. With slight variations and changes in doctrine to support the original theology.
shufx 9 months ago
@shufx Yes, I suppose you could say many of the core beliefs have remained similar
HardbeatAcolyte 9 months ago
@Mungmyballs yes brother Jesus is our Leader not a man on earth like in Christendom who follow their pastors and the Pople who live in shameless luxury and whose priest hood live off the people , elders do not take a salary they preach and teach for free. So what is their motive...Love for God and Christ and their fellow man
jazzbassf 2 months ago
You will soon see the truth!
jibaradepr 9 months ago
@jibaradepr How is that? What is the truth?
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@jibaradepr See the truth... funny.
MistahFen 9 months ago
its funny because todays jehovahs witness doesnt ackowledge russel as their founder.
stephenallynhardin 9 months ago
@stephenallynhardin LOL it's funny that you say that. In 2009 my cousin was showing me some literature that shows C.T. Russel and Judge Rutherford as their founders. My question to you is that is this some type of New Light BS thing that just recently came to be? If it is that is way too funny because ever since I was a child I was taught that C.T. Russel and Judge Rutherford were the people that organized and launched this religion into existence.
shufx 9 months ago
@stephenallynhardin our founder is Jesus Christ not a modern man, the point here is not whether russell was right or wrong, but is the Bible right when it says at Acts 15.14. that God will take out of the nations a people for His NAME..........IT IS THE NAME OF JEHOVAH GOD......who is named Jehovah's Witness out of all the nations ? who is fulling the prophecy at Matthew 24.14........??????????? their is no other religion called by the name of Jehovah?????????? is there .. think about it
jazzbassf 2 months ago
Hello, Many of the claims made on this comment section are actually completely inaccurate. For those who are interested, please go to: ctrussell(dot)wordpress(dot)com
Thank you so much, have a glorious day!
721Loretta 9 months ago
@721Loretta which ones are false? Physical evidence. I showed you that CTR was into pyramidology and you didn't refute it. I think you need to read more of CTR's documents. I showed you were you can read them.
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@721Loretta Hi Loretta, yes I saw that website thank you. However the claims made on the pro Russell website are not backed up by any facts. Simply put most of the claims are nothing more than false innuendo and carefully word smithed passages with sarcastic rhetoric designed to pursuade readers from learning the real truth about Charles Taze Russel's heresies. Have a glorious day!
shufx 9 months ago
@721Loretta Sorry Loretta but you are wrong again. As these documents are publicly available through the watcthower society. Pastor Russel's sermons are widely accepted as "existent" by the Watchtower Society and Apostates alike. I am afraid that your facade had been exposed once again.
Loretta it is apperent that you are not a JW. Perhaps you are an IBSA member? At any rate your argument is fallacious and written intentionally to mislead the readers of this post.
shufx 9 months ago
CT Russel's Sermon the Temple of God:
I wonder how many of us here present have taken the first step,
the first degree? I wonder how many have gone on to take the
second and third degrees? I wonder how many have come into
Knighthood--shall I say?--to be Knights Templar?
-C.T. Russel The Temple of God
shufx 9 months ago
Pastor Charles Russell in his own words: "Masons...In proportion as such societies consume valuable time in foolish, senseless rites and ceremonies, and in substituting the worship of their officers...for the worship of God, in his appointed way-through Christ...in that proportion these societies are grievous evils..." WT Volume 4 Pg. 1827
He was neither a free mason, a pyramidologist nor a knights templar. The symbols on the pyramid are rep. various things in God's kingdom.
721Loretta 9 months ago
@721Loretta he was a pyramidologist. Please look for books he wrote. Go to archieve dot org or books dot google dot com. look for "charles taze russell pyramid". Enjoy!
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@EastGateShut Hello. Thank you so much for your reply. I actually have read what Pastor Russell wrote about the pyramid and it had absolutely nothing to do with the Knights Templar. Can you elucidate what CRS 359 is for me? I'm sorry, but it looks like you are reading inaccurate information. I have his original (not copies) Watch Towers and books and the symbols you are referring to were not meant to represent the Masons or Rosicrucianism or any such thing. They were actually religious.
721Loretta 9 months ago
@721Loretta I'm sorry if you do not have CT Russel's Discourses and Sermons. Just a quick comparison to consider in your calculations.
Pastor Russel admitted to knowing the secret masonic handshake
He gave sermons at Masonic Temples
Pastor Russel admitted that he and Masons use the Great Pyramid as a symbol
Pastor Russel is many of his books references the Knights Templar
The Order of the Knights Templar use the Cross and Crown as their logo
And yet you see no connection? How so?
shufx 9 months ago
@shufx Actually I have most of his writings and what you are saying is in none of them. As for using the symbol of a pyramid to symbolize something religious, this type of symbolism was also extensively used by Jesus Christ - sheep, women, water, stones, buildings, etc. etc., etc. This is not heretical.
Sorry my friend, but the quotes you are ascribing to him do not actually exist. I have the original (not copied) books, old as they are. And no, I am not a JW.
Peace and best wishes!
721Loretta 9 months ago
@721Loretta Sorry Loretta but you are wrong again. As these documents are publicly available through the watcthower society. Pastor Russel's sermons are widely accepted as "existent" by the Watchtower Society and Apostates alike. I am afraid that your facade had been exposed once again.
Loretta it is apperent that you are not a JW. Perhaps you are an IBSA member? At any rate your argument is fallacious and written intentionally to mislead the readers of this post.
shufx 9 months ago
@721Loretta I'm sorry Loretta it seems that your pride has gotten the best of you this time. First off I have the physical books stamped with the Watcthower Society's copyright so there is proof that they do exist. Second you can order Pastor Russel's sermons directly from the Watcthower Bible and Tract Society so this proves that your bluiff has been called. Third you are not a JW so what would you know about heresy? 4th You don't :0
shufx 9 months ago
@721Loretta I think most of these comments are for shufx. But I did a search on google for what "pyramidology" is. Wikipedia had a page on it. To my surprise Charles Taze Russell was right there. By definition Russell was doing pyramidology by putting a date he derived from how many feet were in the Great Pyramid. On the pyramid in this video you see the cross and crown. You also if you look at the very top section can see the "all seeing eye". All images used by the masons.
EastGateShut 9 months ago
@721Loretta He also said:
A thousand years during which these Knights Templar are to scatter blessings to all the families of the earth.
and he said: Would you like to become one of these Knights Templar?
And he said: I wonder how many of us here present have taken the first step, the first degree? I wonder how many have gone on to take the second and third degrees? I wonder how many have come into
Knighthood--shall I say?--to be Knights Templar?
CRS 359 the Temple Of God
shufx 9 months ago
@721Loretta Oh by the way please see The Chart of the Ages. And the divine plan of the ages. Written by CT Russel and Published by the Watcthower Society. He published books with the Pyramid, with masonic symbols on it such as the Winged Sun Disk. He wrote Three Worlds, Millenial Dawn, and Founded the Watcthower which all three titles are used in Rosicrucianism which is tied into Freemasonry.
shufx 9 months ago
@shufx Hello. Yes, thank you, I have seen "The Chart of the Ages" and have read the "Divine Plan of the Ages". The symbol that has the crown in it is a reference to the church: "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them...and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Revelation 20:4 In the chart of the ages he is simply using the pyramid as a symbol to represent God's kingdom.
721Loretta 9 months ago
@721Loretta Wait a minute! You said that you seen the the chart that he uses the Great Pyramid as a symbol to represent God's Kingdom? Partially true but I must say LOL it came out of your mouth not mine! I call Heresy!
shufx 9 months ago
@721Loretta ya and so thats why he committed suicide and why the masons did in fact set up the JW worship crap and originally were called "rusellists" lol
kahetel13 9 months ago
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eternityandforever 10 months ago
Man the Watchtower's Shills and Sockpuppets run rampant on this post. They have poor excuses for everything. Most seasoned elders become stunned when learning of this info. But the JW on here seem to have an explanation "excuse" for everything. Mind tricks are for the weak minded.
shufx 10 months ago
Do your research. First the symbol of the cross and crown is not a symbol of the masons. It has been used for years as a christian symbol. many churches use it. To single out one orginization and blashpeme them is ignorant. masons may use a similar symbol, but was all use similar symbols in life. Second, it is clear that the "masonic temple" was built way after Russell's death. They have no relation at all. It's like me saying that ur a mason because ur beside it in the video.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios So should you. The freemasons also use this symbol for their highest degree which is the order of the Knights Templar. Which it seems that Russel was infatuated with according to his own writings. Russel also preached his sermons many times over inside the Masonic Meeting Halls. Not to be confused with Kingdom Hall Meetings. And during these sermons he spoke at many occaisons of the RELIGION OF FREEMASONRY! You are a Shill! GTFO!
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx you say the free masons also used the symbol? So what? Many symbols are used earth/history wide for many different reasons. To say that JW's are masonic becuse they used one of the same symbols as the masons is ignorant. I've done my research. They have no masonic origin. The testimonies that say Russel was a mason are false. Stop believeing everything that you read on the internet. 99% of it is crap. dig deeper. Know your stuff before you talk about it for the world to see.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios You are the worst shill that I have ever encountered. First off I have copies of Russel's sermons. Out of his own words "I AM A FREE AND ACCEPTED FREEMASON". Another writing of RUSSEL's " TODAY WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE RELIGION OF FREEMASONRY", etc, etc etc,
Know your shit before opening your mouth. You are making yourself look like a lame.
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx lol.. no u dont'. and if you did you would be ignorantly mis quoting it. I've read them too.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios Which one have you read?
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx Ive read several, to be honest, i'm not on a rampage to claim that russel wasn't a mason. It's not a hobby of mine. So i'd have to go back and look at them. But i will re-read them and look for your quote, just to be on the safe side. Like i said, i'm not looking from an insider perspective. I want to know all angles. Even yours. The previous comment was calling your bluff. So find for me where you read that...lol so i don't have to read them all, and i will read it for myself.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios Where do you want to start? No I am not bluffing. I am dead serious!
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx is there anywhere online that has a copy of the sermon that you are speaking of, (one that is exactly like yours, i know there are probably 100s of variations of them, the internet is tricky like that)
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios I'll tell you what. You should order these documents directly from the watchtower society themselves. If not you can order them online. Nothing better that reading directly from the ink off the Watchtower's presses. Oh by the way? Why does my Green Bible have a Dinosaur running around with men? It says The Ancient World before our common era. Last I checked there were no dinosaurs running around the Sudan during the time of the Pharohs.
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx haha... green bible with a dino? but what documents are you speaking of? i would order them to get further knowlege and understanding...but which ones?
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios You can order any of these books and you will see Masonic Symbols and Speak all over them. The Plan of the Ages – later renamed The Divine Plan of the Ages (1886), The Time is at Hand (1889), Thy Kingdom Come (1891), The Day of Vengeance – later renamed The Battle of Armageddon (1897), The At-one-ment Between God and Men (1899), The New Creation (1904), Pastor Russel's Convention Discourses "All of them"!
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx ok, so i've found an online copy of The New Creation. Do you know where it speaks of masons?
archive.org/stream/TheNewCreationByCharlesTazeRussell/6-The-New-Creation-R-R#page/n17/mode/2up
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios You have to read through it. It uses phrases Masonic Phrases. Read Pastor Russel's Convention Discourses. You can read just about anything in those without the words Freemason being mentioned.
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx well, i will look through it. ... i'll let you know what i find. but like i said before... find me proof. If i believed this strongly in something, i'd give you evidense of why i believe it is true. Do the same for me. i'm taking a nap now...lol..i'm tired and have to work in a few... let me know what u find, and i'll let you know what i find.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios And get the bible with the Dinosaur. It the weidest thing to have it and then be told not to ask questions about it or else!
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx My experience with JW's was more pleasent. I ask questions and they gave me good, bible based answers. Exactly what i was looking for. I never asked about a dino, but it seems irrelevent to the bible to me. When it comes to the bible, if you believe it is the word of god, it doesn't matter how u learn what is says. What matters is that u learn it. A christian should put faith in the Bible, not in a religion or a preacher. if you don't believe the bible, its all irrelevent anyway.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios You see you need to know about their long and extremly corrupt origins to understand where they came from. The older bibles reference Westcott & Hort, & Johanes Greber for their translation which they profess to be the most accurate versions. FYI the mentioned schollars are also knows occultists. In lamens terms they were Satan Worshipers and they admitted it! But don't take my word for it.
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx I don't take anyones "word for it." where are you getting these names? I want to know exactly where and why you connect them with the NWT bible. Where is this information coming from? I have found where greber translated a bible. But why would he do that if he was a satan worshiper?
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios The older Bibles like the green Bible with the Dinosaur have their names written on the prefaces. Also the watchtower society even to this day still reference Westcott & Hort. As far as why would a Satan worshipper translate the bible. In my opinion it is to milead the followers. And my other opinion I will keep to myself.
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx Which Green bible do you have? What is the copyright year?
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios 1981. If you want to see a pic you can Google it
shufx 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios Sorry I meant 1961
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx That's what i thought. I found that exact copy. 1961, Green Cover, NWT, Has little dino on inside map. didn't mention any of those names in the preface. Are you sure it's in the preface? What page are you looking at?
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios The Bible's do reference westcott & hort. Also the interlinear Bible names Johannes Greber. I'll have to look at my bibles and find the version that reference Westcott & Hort. By the way you can order TShirts online that say "Jaraczik Park" "Brooklyn Heights NY" of course named after the WTBTS belated President.
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx Well let me know when you find it. if you find it. I have a good feeling that it isn't there and that you've only read that it is there somewhere on the internet. But if it is there i'd like to know. I'm not really sure what your point was about teh Tshirts, i've never heard of them and don't know what u r referencing.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios How about this, go to the Offical Watcthower website and lookup Westcott & Hort. LOL I am becoming wary of you being obsessed with trying to disprove me. You have just about inspired me to gather all evidence and make a documentary for the world to see. I will only publish what I can prove!
Thanks for the inspiration! :)
shufx 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios Quoted from the Official Watchtower Website:
The master text by Westcott and Hort, used extensively as a basis for the New World Translation, puts the sentence in double brackets. It notes that the sentence “must lie under strong presumption of having been introduced by scribes.”
ROFL!
shufx 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios I saved the web page for future reference and video recorded the website visit just in case this article happens to dissappear. ROFL!
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx I'm not trying to disprove you. I'm trying to get the facts out on the table. Everything i have seen so far has been assumptions and hearsay. I only rely on facts. I will look this up.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios LOL everything you've seen so far is hearsay? How so? The watchtower's offical website references Westcott & Hort as their main reference for the NWT? How the fuck is that hearsay? It is apperant that you are here to mislead the readers of this post through innuendo and doublespeak. You should be ashamed of yourself.
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx Lol. Don't be dumb. I just told you i was going to look it up. As hearsay i was referring to all of the other references. I looked at the article you suggested. You are correct on the fact that they referenced Westcott and Hort. But they are not condemned yet. That leads us to another question. Who were Westcott & Hort? and Does referencing their work show fault in the NWT? So far, research has given a lot of OPINIONS (in both directions). None of which hold any ground. I'll keep lookin.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios Dude you are such a "Payroll Appologist" it ain't even funny. Now it's your turn to make your argument. What proof do you have that CT Russel was not a Freemason? What proof do you have that Westcott and Hort have no connection to the Occult? What proof do you have that Greber was not an Occultist?
And for some reason all of you Watchtower Appologists paid and unpaid alike have no problems with the fact that the Bible was translated by known Occultists. You are pathetic!
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx First stop using these rediculous name callings: Payroll appologist? Wth? Second. What proof do you have that you are not an occultist or freemason? You're reasoning is backwards. you are looking at it as "guilty until proven innocent" In that type of reasoning, Jesus was a freemason. The bible doesn't say he wasn't. So he is. Instead, you must conclude "Innocent until proven guilty." In that type of reasoning, you must prove, or show strong evidence, that these men are occultic or masons
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios I'm sorry but I am still awaiting your proof that will exonerrate these allegations? If you are playing the role of defense then please state your evidence. You are blindly defending them and you are blindly ingnoring the evidence. e.g.
Westcott & Hort's Connections to the Occult
Johaness Greber to the Occult
CT Russel's Speaches about becoming a freemason, hand grips, knights templar, A big fucking pyramid commisioned by the Watchtower, Masonic symbols on books etc. GTFO
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx lol, you would make a terrible lawyer. Defense doesn't have to have evidence. Just to disprove the allegations made. You are getting mad because you don't know how to support your theories. Because you probably can't. You are blindly accusing them. I've asked, more than once, for the sermons where CTR says he's a freemason. You can't give it to me. Can you? Masonic symbols are simply symbols that mansons use TOO. Westcott and Hort had NO occult connections. Greber is a random name you are
RandallPStudios 10 months ago
@RandallPStudios I told you like five times earlier that you need to order the documents directly from the Watcthower Society. What is wrong with you?
shufx 10 months ago
@shufx yeah. I could order a ton of documents from the Watchtower. Why don't you just tell me one document, what page(s) i need to look on, and what it says. I will do my research from there. You're the one who stands by the fact that they are occultic and masonic. You should be able to help me see that. What if i was trying to be a JW. Wouldn't u want to persuade me not to? You're ignorant if you think i'm going to read 20 books to find something that YOU say is in there. I may never find it.
RandallPStudios 10 months ago