Ornstein - Wild Men's Dance (Danse Sauvage)

[jedenbeen]

1:37 Most epic slur ever!

[IpsediCicero]

That poor piano.

[xeliosphere]

I don't know why, but It stuck on my head...

[AttemptingToBeBusy]

The quietest this goes is mf - at one point. Otherwise it's f, ff, fff and ffff all the way through.

Sublime beauty :)

[marcohorowitz8]

let me guess: the pianist is Hamelin, right??

[DoubleEdgedSword12]

There is something oddly and starkly humorous about this.

[Strefanasha]

if he took out the tone clusters it would probably be some diatonic little ditty

[nikolas99t]

heavy metal piano

[pyramidhead156]

and now ornsteins in dark souls one of the hardest bosses eva

[chasseneige96]

I tried to play this piece and about 2 sec later my mom was trying to kill meㅋㅋ

[kb27787]

Srsly, is this what passes for music these days? My mom would say. LOL

Even if I were a world class pianist, if I play this at night, my neighbors would throw stuff at our window....

[Rickeeey1]

@kb27787

Well, this is pretty easy to listen to compared to most things by John Cage & Karlheinz Stockhausen (ofc Cage and Stockhausen are nice sometimes too). I think this piece is really awesome.

[twooffour]

@kb27787

They'd throw stuff at your window in any case :D

[LordBunbuns]

@kb27787 Wild Men's Dance Op. 13 No. 2 (1913) "These days" are you stupid?

[DeliusAlkan]

It's almost twisted & sick, not to mention extremely brutal, but it's in the same time genial, virtuosic, imposing and has a definite "wow" factor, with polyrythms, sardonic quotations & a demonoc shower of exploding clusters... It's like a visit in Hell, surely, but one that you will find difficult to forget ;) Ornstein was a genius, along with the likes of Cowell, Ives, Seeger, Ruggles & Crawford... He managed to create an extremely thorny tour-de-force that's both imposing & ironic...

[mariadasduasmargens]

wild men like waltzes....

[GFSiciliani]

@mariadasduasmargens This piece literally means "savage's dance." I believe Ornstein wrote this piece as satire against the upper class of "savages," the kind of people who go to ballrooms and dance waltzes...

[mariadasduasmargens]

@GFSiciliani lame answer... obvious stuff doesn't need telling?

[mariadasduasmargens]

@GFSiciliani besides, you like all your soap, mad men included.

[loboris1995]

hows playing?hamelin?

[AmalgamOfMeat]

This is so avant-garde I feel more pretentious just knowing it exists.

[sirshitsalot007]

Now this is what I call a clusterfuck

[AmalgamOfMeat]

@sirshitsalot007 A tone cluster-fuck to be precise.

Haaaaa...

[TylerFullStickTT]

....whats not to like. Scriabin and Bartok on crack at a Rave.

[leo21323189]

@kerrrs Uwierz mi, że coś wiem na temat muzyki, nie ma sensu rozbudowywać tego wątku, ale pamiętaj @kerrrs, że np. działalność Hitlera też się przypodobała paru osobą do gustu ale zaszkodziła całemu światu...

[MrStrav81]

This is awesome. 

[debussyman88]

wow

[leo21323189]

Taki utwór nie powinien znaleźć miejsca na naszym świecie. To jest jeden z wielu przypadków kiedy kompozytorom wydaje się, że wszystko co stworzą jest dziełem, bardzo mi przykro, że ten kompozytor przesadził myśląc, że stworzył coś dobrego....

[1234cottagedoor]

I sort of get this. It's one of those experiments in exploring the piano as a percussion instrument, but requiring a truly virtuoso technique to bring it off. Some atonal music is impossible to follow, it wilfully destroys all sense of pulse and melody; this is different. The rhythm holds the piece together and there are even hints at a (tonal) melody line hovering over all that wicked dissonance. It is a dance, after all.

[musicalidea]

One of the most elegant uses of full-blown atonality I know of. He fully merges the phrasing and melodic vocabulary of late Romantcism with the tone clusters and frenzied iterations of a Futurist.

[AkLvKk]

me like chords

[MagicDolphinGO]

i guess the modernists had to get it out of their systems

[huzzzzzzahh]

i love this. but if anyone listens to this and hates it, try ornsteins sonata no 4, its much more accesible

[loboris1995]

@huzzzzzzahh I Prefer the 8 th^^

[huzzzzzzahh]

@loboris1995 yeah but the fourth is almost all completely tonal and the eighth is not

[TiaEdwina]

This is fabulous!

[oHeyitsthatguy]

catchy tune, yes.

[elasticbowman]

This is much more relaxing than Rebecca Black.

[Diffle]

This is what it would be like if Buckethead played piano.

[huzzzzzzahh]

wow, search for ornstein playing the fantasy impropmtu, and listen to his sonata no 4. Suddenly him composing this does not make any sense.

[adarkerlight]

If it were titled something like "The Accident that Is Lindsay Lohan", then I'd be willing to bet you'd have several million Ornstein fans.

[titusbeertsen]

He plays a wrong note at 0:40 and at 1:13.

[pbazant]

@titusbeertsen Yeah, I just wanted to write that, too :)

[Jackarooned]

This is the strangest piece ever to get stuck in your head. People look at me like I'm crazy when I walk along the street humming it...

[Ramination]

I like the composition very much, and my respect for the pianist...

[bushinarin]

This actually makes me with that I had banged around at lightning speeds on the piano, and had an autistic savant to write it down perfectly in 1913.

Then in 100 years I could have had 25,000 hits on Youtube.

[twooffour]

@bushinarin

How do you know he wrote it down perfectly? ;)

[bushinarin]

I like around the two minute mark when every note was marked with suddenly loud marks. How many times can one be suddenly loud before people get it?

[katbc101]

so was someone getting raped while playing and this is the after result?

[huzzzzzzahh]

@katbc101 I think this piece is beautiful and melodic

[BenjaminTheHolyDiver]

i usuly have an bic fapping sassion to this kainda stuff.... AAAAhhhehhe

[aljaesson]

needs more cowbell

[NoirOrchestre]

Do you think Ornstein was familiar with the concept of Cluster ?

[BNM321zxy]

atonal piece..

[wangnathania]

what's this?? how it played?

[spaetensonaten]

this is precisely the type of music i hum to myself in the shower

[r0bz0rly]

@spaetensonaten well, I don't think i'll stop laughing for the rest of the night.

[kobesunset]

I have a feeling that around 2:30 Ornstein was disappointed to find that he had run out of keys on the upper register

[cattleman6420012000]

Amazing piece of music. Hamelin plays it fantastically.

[tomekkobialka]

And how am I meant to whistle this to work...

[mohamedalyfarag]

there's Ravel in this

[malibu64]

this is FIERCE!!!

[PIAN0PLAYER5]

1:08 = piano equivalent of a breakdown.

[maximumsatann]

@PIAN0PLAYER5 Nervous breakdown?

[PIAN0PLAYER5]

@maximumsatann hahaha. no. a death metal breakdown. i'm not sure if you want to listen to one though. your ears might bleed. you have to work your way up to the real heavy stuff. lol.

[maximumsatann]

@PIAN0PLAYER5 I used to be in a Death Metal band mate. I just found the duality of the word breakdown when used as an ostensive description for this song pretty funny. Nonetheless I consider stuff like this and particularly Varese and Stockhausen's work to be much more abrasive and perhaps "heavier" than even the most brutal Death Metal.

[PIAN0PLAYER5]

@maximumsatann dude! no way! that's awesome! my friends want me to be the keyboardist of their band. what did you play?

[maximumsatann]

@PIAN0PLAYER5 Cool man. Yeah there're a few DM influenced bands with keyboards these days like The Faceless and Born Of Osiris. I was the guitar player in my band. I'm not into to Death Metal at all anymore, it was a teenage thing but we made some good tunes I suppose. Good luck with your band mate.

[PIAN0PLAYER5]

@maximumsatann those bands are awesome.  so how did you come across this kind of music?

[maximumsatann]

@PIAN0PLAYER5 Well I have always been in to so called progressive bands like Dream Theater so had an ear for non-standard time signatures, scales, timbres etc. I branched out from there really. How about you?

[PIAN0PLAYER5]

@maximumsatann dream theater rules. i like blotted science and all that good stuff.

[mcbainst]

more cow bell

[jarsp0]

I like the slur at 1:37.

[crazycycoclowner]

Snap this is good

[AlC92575]

Wow. I wonder if Ornstein suffered from synesthesia.

[uhartchristian]

whow, this is really wild.... great music. and great interpretation.

[GingyPno123]

OMG! Was he 109 years old when he die?

[MajesticFerret]

What's making me face-palm is people saying Hamelin sucks...

He's playing it how it's written...it's one thing to knock the composer, but that's no reason to knock the guy playing it, who's one of the best pianists of our time.

[re7ard1337]

@MajesticFerret even though ornstein was one of the greatest pianists, ever.

[aosjimzaw]

Perfect cadence at the end. Hooray!

[SergeOfArniVillage]

Whoa....trippy..... o_O I've made some somewhat avant-garde-like pieces, but this is delightfully over-the-top.

[KBMKBMKBMKBM]

why are people calling this crap. It clearly has elements of a dance. Look at the title,(Wild Men's Dance (Danse Savage)) thats exactly what it is. It's kind of like in the baroque period when composers would write dance's. Just because people may not actually dance to this,or because you may not like it, doesnt mean it's not what the title says it is....and actually it's quite good the composer makes interesting use of what i think are note clusters.........

[X000Y0TTA]

this isn't crap dumbfcks

[userhasbeendeleted]

If it's made for something lika a movie, then okay, but just standing alone as "music", it's unintelligible nonsense.

[Gargantupimp]

This is a fine piece though, definitely a good work, I refer to it as crap because I am gangster and cause that's how a gangster roll.

[Gargantupimp]

Musics fine, but Andre Hamelin sucks, can we get a real piano player to play this crap? People always focus on the avant gardedness of the music and forget about performing ability. I think if Horowitz were to pick up some John Cage and bring the music out of it a lot more people would enjoy it and maybe even learn some Cage himself, same applies with Ornstien.

[VIDE0DR0ME]

@Gargantupimp Are you seriously criticizing a widely lauded and recognised "supervirtuoso"? And on what grounds, I wonder. Other than a blank assertion, you haven't pointed out why he failed to perform "this crap" to your satisfaction. On the other hand, claiming that your favourite pianist (Horowitz in this case) can excel in a piece that he has never attempted is ludicrous.

[VIDE0DR0ME]

@Gargantupimp Alas, your claims that Hamelin failed on this piece is as pathetic as the words you chose. Find me a 'real musician' who has outperformed Hamelin on this piece and then maybe we can have something to compare it with. Whining about non-existent flaws do not make those flaws exist. And as for your expletives, they certainly reflect VERY well on you. They suit you. ;)

[Gargantupimp]

@VIDE0DR0ME Your gay, Hamelin sucks, read my second post ya retard and see if you can find the secret clue I put in that will show you how to figure out that Hamelin isn't that good of a piano player. If u are really a Hamelin fanboy than I feel bad for you because he sucks.

[Gargantupimp]

@VIDE0DR0ME ;) Whatever you tell yourself to help you sleep at night weirdo, you can "Report" me all day but I doubt that whoever your "Reporting" me to can make Hamelin not suck.

[SteinwayMan13]

Ah......Sweet, sweet music....

[TheHorrorOfYig]

I'm surprised at how much I enjoyed this. This is really interesting stuff.

[Apollyon80]

Given that I normally listen to Baroque music, I'm quite supprised how much I like this.

[BNM321zxy]

cool! 

[cafity]

it remembers me stravinsky's rite of spring... specially the sacrifice dance!

[cafity]

this remembers me stravinsky's sacrifice dance in "the rite of spring"... this is awesome! so many dissonance with a common sense...

[Snafuski]

Thank goodness for supervirtuosos like Hamelin who can give life to this amazing "etude for chord clusters"... This is a magnificent piece of music, thanks for posting it.... a real discovery. "Written just 5 years after Gaspard de la nuit...!)

[trunks2861]

this is good

[marcphilos]

All those fucking accidentals give me goosebumps.

[AdvocateToTheAccuser]

So this is what insanity sounds like.

[edward1369]

CONGRATULATIONS! This composer has organised a mass of notes in a meaningful way.

Not being sarcastic.

He has successfuly portrayed madness.

[mdeonx16]

This piece has more substance than every single miley cyrus or jonas brothers track, all combined.

[Boonyakieat]

left for dead's inspiration.

[aardvaark069]

A rythmic quote from Schumann throughout the piece. Most clearly stated at 2:00-2:03

[aardvaark069]

@Bruckner79 Both our comments removed. I wonder why. I didn't say anything rude or awful. You?

[Bruckner79]

@aardvaark069 I only wrote that the waltz-like sections reminded me of Ravel's "La Valse", and wondered if you had "Papillons" in mind when you mentioned Schumann. I'm quite sure I didn't write anything unacceptable, interwebs glitch I suppose . . .

[aardvaark069]

@Bruckner79 Yes. Papillons. So you heard it too?

[Bruckner79]

@aardvaark069 Not initially. After I read your post I thought of it.

[fhood]

This was great! Loved all the accidentals!

[jasonextreme]

SImply brilliant!!!

[MountCashelTuck]

Does anyone else feel like waltzing from 00:24 to 00:35?

[addeex1]

@MountCashelTuck yeah wanna dance? :D

[MountCashelTuck]

@addeex1 Sure thing :D

[94HamMan]

@MountCashelTuck I shure do!

[pianist7137]

@MountCashelTuck hooray I was thinking of that XDD I would if I knew how to dance.

[7MarcusL]

Well that was a waist of time

[toneeeeeee]

You're just in the wrong youtube section. Search for 'top 20' or 'indie hits'. You'll be better suited to that.

[mdeonx16]

Good for you :D

[link1628]

My GOD ! It's... simply violent...

[RicAbapo]

the title suits well standing ovation is not enough here..jumping, tumbling ovation is better! gosh this piece is really "wild"!!! like like like...

[spyroonline175]

I like this person's work... How many pianos do you thing this guy went through a year?

[kastlesucksTDOTS]

catchy...

[Rheesoman]

i wonder what grade this piece is.

[Gollam12]

you know, we, composers dont use key signature nowadays. if it makes to the player easier, we do. like, if a piano player has to play only on the black keys, we write the 5 flats or sharps like a key signature. but in a dodecafonic or serialist piece, it makes the piece impossible to read :)

anyway. look at bach choral 45. its in D but there is no key signature. but it has other reasons and i have only 70characters left.

[CronosPrime1]

woah

[tomekkobialka]

I've been trying to get over the 3/8 / 4/8 at the beginning for a few months now!

[OrbiliusMagister]

"Wild" is the magic word.

this piece makes the "Allegro Barbaro" By Bartok sound like a Rococo menuet.

By the way: 5/5 to both music and pianist.

[iamalittlespy]

I don't think "Allegro Barbaro" is Bartok's most violent and percussive piano piece. Etudes op.18 and Out of Doors would be a more fair comparison.

[fhood]

Are "Etudes Op. 18" and "Out of Doors" by

Bartok?

[spike2133876]

do i dare ask what key this is in?

[wateva92]

i would very much like to know as well :P

[rvn10rvn17]

either c major or a minor

[spike2133876]

@rvn10rvn17 actually no. just because it has no sharps/flats doesent mean its in that key. scriabin wrote a piece " verse la flamme" which also had no key signiture. buti twasent in a minor or c major

[khbsflabhklsrblfauhk]

I believe it's in the key of 5 or H, I can't remember right now

[HomelyCooking]

This piece, besides brief sections with extemely weak and fleeting tonal centres, is not in any key. Because the chords in this piece have so many pitches in them, it's almost impossible to discern any tonal structure or direction. But it's not atonal from a Schoenbergian or Weberian standpoint, in that it was apparently not composed with the purpose of eliminating tonality, from what I know about this piece and Ornstein's composing style.

[mdeonx16]

@spike2133876 The key signature says C major, never before has C major sounded so...deadly. lol!

[titusbeertsen]

@spike2133876 All at the same time :)

[fernandocommando1111]

@spike2133876 Lulz it's atonal

[maraxus83]

@spike2133876

Well, I suppose you were joking, but when I read your comment I thought "of course, that's why the formal syntaxis of this piece is tonal, everything is deeply rooted in tonal music, especially the way in which he repeats the phrases".

[JPXU1966]

@spike2133876 it's atonal

[WilsonDittrich]

C major!

[Ilkeyrion]

@spike2133876 do I dare answer?

[victorstclair]

@Ilkeyrion atonal, the composer finds a balance of frequency of notes in which the ear cannot pick up on any tonality or consistency of key

[Alu10000]

The final cluster is EPIC

I love this music

[f1f1s]

specially for Hamelin!! Leo must have forseen the birth of Marc-Andre! =)

Speaking seriously, the sound is so sinister! I wonder if the composer and the performer had met in real life...

[ultracoolhomies]

The piano's going to need new strings after this.

[HomelyCooking]

It doesn't get any more "primitive" than this. What a monster of a composition.

[grampasso1989]

THAT'S FANTASTIC!!!!!!! As Always... Thanks Hexameron!

[talonboy5432]

This is torture to learn...So many accidentals!

Still I'm going to try this...

[GrandpasPictureParty]

This definitely turbo-charged my morning cup of coffee today!

[KJLazarus]

I wish I could see Hamelin play this in concert...or even see hime play anything in concert for that matter! This piece had made my day :)

[ReignOfPraine]

Surely you are being facetious, right?

[hammer29106]

ive never heard a piece like this before. i love it. these were some wild men

[luishomeroremohsiul]

is it allright if this made me shed a tear towards the end? ..

[iiqqzz1]

Simply amazing. I don't think I've ever heard a more powerful ending in my life than in this song.

[egyptianghetto56]

beautiful

although I wish it was just a bit more violent and dissonant. still very very good.

[pandadoll95]

wow at first this came as kind of a shock and i wasnt really used to the dissonance...but the more i listen the more i like it

its kinda catchy with a bit of chaos...but it does make the piano sound kinda like its being abused

[Hexameron]

Your ears simply aren't ready for it, and that's no reason to dismiss this as "crap." This work may have taken primitivism to an extreme, but it reflects a normal 20th-century music trend that others like Stravinsky and Bartok were popularizing.

[Kalen1457]

Yeah, I'm not used to this stuff either...

How do you play this though? This is like as difficult if not more difficult than the liszt transcendentals.

[rvn10rvn17]

i believe they are difficult in different sense.. transc focuses on the technic.. this one is more to complexity of the notes themselves..

[VIDE0DR0ME]

I dare say this is more difficult to perfect than a transcendental etude from Liszt. The techniques required include: wide jumps, speed, phrasing, sounding melodies above tone clusters, passing under and over of fingers, wildly varying dynamics, rhythmic consistency, playing the piano in an unusual and percussive way, changing tempi... just you try it.

[scandenavius]

yeah seems like it would be extremely difficult, on top of that to learn this piece would just be ridiculous: No key signature and 4 accidentals per note.

[twooffour]

Learning the notes here isn't all that hard - you look at the cluster, note for note, press it a few times, and you have it. Plus they fit very well under the hand.

Sight reading sure, but learning? Nah :)

[RicAbapo]

@twooffour hey, are u sure of what u have just said?it's not just that man... anyways, just sayin...