At our church, the age-old problem has been most of the congregation prefers to sit at the back of the sanctuary. Despite pleas from the minister and lay leaders for the congregation to move down front, most continue to sit at the back. After watching this video, I think we've found a way to convince people to move down front.
Not only is this trumpet inappropriate for this room, but, at least through my headphones, it sounds annoying. It probably would sound less annoying if placed in St. Paul's Cathedral, London or St. John the Divine as a secondary horizontal reed.
There is a church in Glens Falls, NY where there is a Casavant organ in the gallery and a Reuter organ in the chancel. The Imperial Trompette en Chamade was installed on the gallery organ case and it's on 20" of pressure. So, yes en chamades can go in the front or back of the church. For example the State Trumpets at the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine in NYC takes about 1.5 seconds for the State Trumpets to actually sound. And there on 50" of pressure. It's the length of 2 football fields
I'll come in, revoice, then place them vertical letting them utilize more free air space above instead of projecting directly above the congregant's heads. They can remain unenclosed on the back wall so they can still retain "heralding trumpet" status.
i've seen chamades in big cathedrals that are separate from the organ (which sounds amazing), but I just think this church is too small. I actually jumped when they came in so close to the camera!
Pity our congregations who don't know what they're missing when all surfaces that can be are carpeted or padded and upholstered! Is there a special level of hell reserved for broadloom carpetmakers who sell to churches?
Actually, Trompette en Chamades at their best are placed in the rear of the sanctuary for congregational singling and an overall neat effect in its sound. In this case however, there is seating directly below the en chamade..creating a sort of delay. That was a poor decision on someones part.
It should be way higher up, if the chamades are in the back, they should be a good deal higher. I don't think the ceiling is even high enough in that church to place them where they should be, it should be in the chancel, as close to the ceiling as possible. It seems like too small a church and organ to have a chamade anyway...
I agree! St. John's The Divine has them in the perfect place. The only problem with it is that it is a few blocks away from the console! The building is GAINT!!!!!!!
THEN...and only then.....make tonal/voicing decisions. As it is now - when empty - it is as if there are 150 little old ladies wearing fur coats in there. Sound is absorbed, bass is smothered, as are upper partials. This only gets worse with real ppl in the pews.
The back/front balance would completely change minus the carpet. Ditto for the effect of the Chamade.
I detest carpet, or draperies (I've seen some churches with them) in sanctuaries. It completely deadens the acoustics - same with pews that are completely upholstered - yuck!
At our church, the age-old problem has been most of the congregation prefers to sit at the back of the sanctuary. Despite pleas from the minister and lay leaders for the congregation to move down front, most continue to sit at the back. After watching this video, I think we've found a way to convince people to move down front.
rauschquint 2 weeks ago
Not only is this trumpet inappropriate for this room, but, at least through my headphones, it sounds annoying. It probably would sound less annoying if placed in St. Paul's Cathedral, London or St. John the Divine as a secondary horizontal reed.
tubamirab8 4 months ago
whats this song callled
crustylion321 8 months ago
I was playing at Anthony Newman's Church and he installed en-chamade but his Sanctuary is half the size of the one in this video. Wayyy too loud!
smog7188 9 months ago
yeah - the Trompette militaire in Liverpool cathedral works very well, but it is like 120 ft up in the tower!
john1801rambo 9 months ago
Samc.... what church in Glens Falls would that be??? I live 45 minutes south of there. A friend of mine builds tracker organs.
bodylabrate 10 months ago
There is a church in Glens Falls, NY where there is a Casavant organ in the gallery and a Reuter organ in the chancel. The Imperial Trompette en Chamade was installed on the gallery organ case and it's on 20" of pressure. So, yes en chamades can go in the front or back of the church. For example the State Trumpets at the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine in NYC takes about 1.5 seconds for the State Trumpets to actually sound. And there on 50" of pressure. It's the length of 2 football fields
samc726 1 year ago
Chamades are always best with the main portion of the organ. Unless you have several sets like Coral Ridge. Always have a set with the main organ
DesireeDeFete 1 year ago
As someone else already pointed out, the whole point of en-chamade solo reeds is to have them placed antiphonally.
obxemt 1 year ago
I'll come in, revoice, then place them vertical letting them utilize more free air space above instead of projecting directly above the congregant's heads. They can remain unenclosed on the back wall so they can still retain "heralding trumpet" status.
thesummerlover 2 years ago
i've seen chamades in big cathedrals that are separate from the organ (which sounds amazing), but I just think this church is too small. I actually jumped when they came in so close to the camera!
gebbytoo 2 years ago
The church is to small for an en-chamade anywhere. I agree with you. They work GREAT in big cathedrals with a high ceiling though.
octavebasse8 2 years ago
Pity our congregations who don't know what they're missing when all surfaces that can be are carpeted or padded and upholstered! Is there a special level of hell reserved for broadloom carpetmakers who sell to churches?
Larsky1010 2 years ago
Chamades are great no matter where you place them...it all depends on the room and how they are voiced
bombarde1701 2 years ago
Very true, these ones are a little bit buzzy on some notes, they should be revoiced to be a little less nasaly.
organist99x 2 years ago
What's the name of this song?
It's very beautiful!
0C0h0B0e0 2 years ago
The hymn is "O GOD of Every Nation".
octavebasse8 2 years ago
the State Trumpets at St. John take almost 2 seconds to reach the other side of the church!
organflick 2 years ago
Ya, the sound has to travel about 2 or 3 city blocks, before it reaches the organist.
octavebasse8 2 years ago
Interesting!
accordion25 2 years ago
Actually, Trompette en Chamades at their best are placed in the rear of the sanctuary for congregational singling and an overall neat effect in its sound. In this case however, there is seating directly below the en chamade..creating a sort of delay. That was a poor decision on someones part.
AllenOrganCrazy 2 years ago
Well the problem is, the sound has no time to produce. This room is probably too small for en-chamade anyway.
octavebasse8 2 years ago
Yes, that is true as well.
AllenOrganCrazy 2 years ago
Lots of churches are putting en-chamades in, and most are too small. Americans don't build enough big, acoustically good buildings for en-chamades.
octavebasse8 2 years ago
That is a powerful chamade. Who built this organ?
octavegeigen4 2 years ago
It's honestly not a very powerful reed. It works perfect for the instrument, but is TERRIBLE for the room!
octavebasse8 2 years ago
Huh. I never would have guessed that it wasn't that powerful in person.
octavegeigen4 2 years ago
It's very loud in the back, but it blends well in the front. The instrument has three manuels.
I: Antiphonal
II: Great
III: Swell
octavebasse8 2 years ago
The Antiphonal is only the en-chamade.
So really, it would work just as well as a two manuel.
I can't remeber who built the instrument, but it is on an Austin Universal Windchest system.
octavebasse8 2 years ago
It should be way higher up, if the chamades are in the back, they should be a good deal higher. I don't think the ceiling is even high enough in that church to place them where they should be, it should be in the chancel, as close to the ceiling as possible. It seems like too small a church and organ to have a chamade anyway...
codeman2008 2 years ago
I agree! St. John's The Divine has them in the perfect place. The only problem with it is that it is a few blocks away from the console! The building is GAINT!!!!!!!
octavebasse8 2 years ago
Problem #1: the carpet. Make it leave.
THEN...and only then.....make tonal/voicing decisions. As it is now - when empty - it is as if there are 150 little old ladies wearing fur coats in there. Sound is absorbed, bass is smothered, as are upper partials. This only gets worse with real ppl in the pews.
The back/front balance would completely change minus the carpet. Ditto for the effect of the Chamade.
19lfm12 2 years ago
I detest carpet, or draperies (I've seen some churches with them) in sanctuaries. It completely deadens the acoustics - same with pews that are completely upholstered - yuck!
organEd 2 years ago
I agree
itachisharkak 2 years ago
I second that!
octavebasse8 2 years ago
Love The Reed!
RobCharles1981 2 years ago
Love That Reed!
RobCharles1981 2 years ago