E con immenso piacere che vi comunico che il Capitano Carlo Romoli (la cui intervista e' pubblicata in 4 parti su questo stesso canale) ha recentemente pubblicato "I miei Vent'anni" Memorie di un soldato" (1941-1946) .
La presentazione del libro è prevista per Venerdi 20 Maggio 2011 -Sala del Gonfalone -ore 11,30. Palazzo Panciatichi - Via Cavour, 4 -Firenze.
...Avete mai parlato con un reduce della battaglia di Nikolajewka? A me è stato concesso questo privilegio e vedere gli occhi lucidi ad una persona di 80 anni, che maldestramente ma dignitosamente cerca di nasconderlo, nn può lasciare indifferenti. in quelle lacrime celate si rivela l'immane tragedia di chi ha combattuto... sopratutto sul fronte orientale dove la guerra è stata più cruenta ... Sostiamo un attimo a ricordare chi è caduto ma anche chi è tornato segnato per sempre. Onore a voi !!!
quando cambieremo il modo di raccontare questa orribile storia?I russi hanno avuto ventimilioni di morti.Gli italiani piuttosto che ricordarla e commemorare la campagna di Russiadoverbbero dimenticarla e chiedere scusa di avere aggredito un popolo sulla sua terra.
@Pierinopasquotti NON DIMENTICHIAMO. CE L'HANNO CHIESTO LORO IN PUNTO DI MORTE. : QUANDO TORNI A CASA,DILLO COME SIAMO MORTI, .. CHE NON SI RIPETA MAI PIU'.
CE NE SONO RIMASTI QUASI 900.000.
NON COMMEMORIAMO LA CAMPAGNA DI RUSSIA MA LE PERSONE CHE L'HANNO...COMPIUTA.
@gayerd1 bravoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nn si deve celebrare un crimine cm la guerra ma le sue vittime sia alleate sia dell asse
In Russia prigioniero c'è stato anche mio Zio è riuscito a tornare dall' inferno vivo,non dimenticherò mai i suoi racconti... mangiava pane fatto di segatura di legno.
Simone Cristicchi dopo il successo riscosso a Mosca al Teatro Na Strastnom, presenta il suo nuovo spettacolo teatrale «Li Romani in Russia». Lo spettacolo, tratto dall’omonimo poema in versi di Elia Marcelli, racconta l’orrore della guerra di Russia attraverso la voce di chi l’ha vissuta in prima persona.
anche il fratello di mio padre è disperso in russia divisione cuneense.nessuno o quasi ricorda i nostri caduti.mi domando perchè non viene insegnato a scuola il sacrificio dei nostri soldati
IL 19 settembre 2010. Presso il Tempio di Cargnacco (UD) verrà celebrato il giorno della memoria dei caduti e dispersi nella campagna di Russia, presenti alte cariche militari e civili e associazioni combattentistiche d'arma.
If not because of so much corruption, alcoholism, and rampant gangsterism, there is no reason why Russia could not be an important player in the world.
Una preghiera per tutti quelli che sono rimasti... e per quelli che sono riusciti a tornare, di tutte le Armi e Specialità Italiane, portandoci la Testimonianza del loro Calvario.
Ormai alla festa dei Battaglioni Alpini partecipano gli ultimi Reduci di Russia...
really? And the USSR trying ingul the whole europe?And the USSR trying ingul the whole europe? the Tripartite Pact had not attacked, you would have swallowed them.
The USSR had hardly enough force to take Berlin in 1945 - that was already much.
When was the USSR trying to invade Europe? Any documents? Any evidence?
It's funny how Russia gets invaded by the Western countries from one century into other and these invasions are always justified by saying that Russia had been going to attack that's why we attacked her - without any evidence for Russia's hostile intentions.
Russia has never hurt Italy but Italians reached Volga.
Many died on the retreat back home,-40 without food, water, boots,adequate clothing,transport,some without weapons. It's called "La Ritirata di Russia".
They had to walk 1200km in -40*,with fighting their way out, totally abandoned,weighing less than 40kg,without boots or proper clothing ,weapons,food,transport etc.
From Stalingrad to the Western border of the Soviet Union?
What are you talking about?
And they didn't "Retreat from Russia", as you've written it in Italian, they were retreating from Stalingrad after they had been defeated by the Soviets.
They were simply running away from the Red Army and not really "abandoned" - there were German and other units together with them.
Alpinis were annihilated by Soviets on January 28th. Of 17,640 only 1,607 survived as POWs.They even burnt their flag not to let it fall into the hands of the Soviets. Do you call this "undefeated"?! I'd say it was a complete defeat.
Cuneense simply ceased to exist.
And Italians started retreating on the 3rd day, they didn't "stay" to let others retreat.
They were walking westwards together with Germans and Hugarians.
Stalin hadn't kill a single Italian before the Italians started conquering the USSR together with Hitler. Moreover, he has never killed a single Italian civilian, unlike Italians or Americans who bombed Italy.
The courage of the Soviet soldiers wasn't less great or was even greater because it's always harder to attack than to defend, moreover they suffered under horrible conditions created by the Stalin's repressive system.
And Bolsheviks were paid by Germany when they conquered Russia.
Read some history and you will find the Italians had orders to resist so the Germans could retreat first,who didn't help their ally. Even though fuel was a problem at this time,the Germans still had transport,same happened in Africa.
I read history and now that there were almost no Germans where the 8th Italian Army was, maybe just a few units. And the frontline was Italian so it was up to Italians to defend it. They had been doin it for 3 days and then started running. They should have surrendered from the start.
BTW,there were a few German tanks which led the retreat and helped a bit. But everything was already useless - the Soviets won the battle due to correct strategical calculations.
STFU,Germans gave Italians no help during the retreat.FACT
Italians were there for 3 years,not 3 days,ass hole.The front was approx.50kms,with troops enough for 30kms only. These courageous Italians fought tanks with there bare hands,dumb ass.
You're so dumb... WHAT 3 YEARS?! Italians fought for 3 days after the Soviet offensive had started before they began to run away.
Moreover, Italians couldn't have stayed there for 3 years because they marched into the USSR in summer 1941 and that retreat was in December 1942, thus - 1,5 year, not 3, but twice less.
The retreat was due to a number of strategic mistakes plus don't fight with a stronger country, asses.
Italians fought with bare hands. For 3 days. And then started running.
My Great Uncle was there for 3 years,according to him. I misunderstood you,the offensive you're talking about was for 3 days?Don't put down the Italian soldier,who was in no position to win,STUPID ASS HOLE. Your country is a "has been",which can't keep up with the west.HAHAHA.. you're BROKE!
Italians kept their positions during the first 3 days of offenive then started running.They were taken out of the USSR in 1943 except just a few rear units.
What is "the West"? Island that became bankrupt recently or Greece which can't comply with the EU's standards? Or Austria with its 62% budget deficit?
Or the US with its 13 TRILLION debt?
Russia's GNP is # 7 WORLDWIDE. She doesn't have any foreign debt.
Russia credits the USA with 200 Mio USD. Russia is # 3 grain producer worldwide.
STFU dryish,your navy is rotting in the harbor. You have nothing that comes close to the F-22 Raptor,can't keep up with technology of the west. Your country is a shadow of its former self,build a bridge and get over it...1989 ring a bell?
BULL SHIT,these cars are foreign companies,Italians gave you the "Lada",or you'll still be riding horses. Italians are part of the Eurofighter Typhoon,stooge. Georgian navy,give me a break! didn't know they had one,LMFAO. WOW went to Venezuela,hihi
These cars will be produced and assembled by Russians, although their HQ aren't in Russia.
Italians didn't give anything, they sold their old Fiat plants to the USSR almost half a century ago. So what?
Yes, Georgians had a navy but what do you what the Russian navy to do so that you think it's a serious force? To shell the Italian coast or something? And, yes, I haven't heard of any Italian squadrons making international reaching distant shores.
correction,Italians GAVE you the Fiat,as compensation for ww2. You got your military technology from nazi scientists,the only decent things you USED to make. If it wasn't for Europe,you wouldn't even have the wheel.
Uh...Russia IS Europe. And made the Europe science and culture much richer.
Nazi military technology was used by the USA, the UK and France, too, but somehow nobody mentions it.
Even today's T-90 is a distant descendant of T-34 which was NOT a copy of anything.
Russians created the first strategic bomber, the mortar, the 1st heavy plane, the 1st heavy tank, the 1st swimming tank, the biggest jet and chopper - all that is genuine, not a copy.
No, the US doesn't make more flights. There's a take off from Baykonoor almost daily. Semipalatinsk launched missiles as well.
Space echnologies don't look like a big gun.
And the difference between the Russian and US technologies are that the last astronauts Russians lost were in the 60s while the US keeps losing astronauts even in the 21st century. Shuttle is just shit, it's clear but no-one has got balls to admit it in America.
look what happened when the "wall" in Berlin went down,you could clearly see a huge difference in quality,and you never saw people trying to escape to the east.LOL
Why? During 300 years Germans had been escaping to Russia from Germany so that in the beginning of the 20th century Russian Germans were one of the biggest ethnic minorities in Russia. The same is with Poles - they went rather to Russia than to the West. Their descendents are Chaykovsky, Stravinsky, Sikorsky, Tsyolkovsky, Musorgsky etc.
The French immigration to Russia was enormous especially after the French Revolution.
The USSR changed it. But the USSR itself was an anti-Russian country.
And yes, you've stated Russia doesn't have good technologies. You stated it indirectly, but you did.
And the American F-22 of which you've talked so proudly calling it a "Western" plane is partly a copy of the Russian Yak-141 which was practically stolen by the US after the USSR had disappeared.
And I love to live in a "shadow" without budget deficit, foreign debts, with the 7th GNP worldwide and # 3 gold and currency reserves in the world, as well as 1/5 of the planet's land under its control.
The whole Europe depends on Russia's gas and your Berlusconi is blowing the pipe utmost intensively to get it to Italy.
And recently Russia has signed an agreement with Belorussia and Kazakhstan about the abolishment of customs duties. That will bring Russia additional 400 billion yearly
I have many Russian friends,none would ever go back to live there. I'm from Australia not Italy,we have lots of land,oil,gas, uranium ,etc etc. Your country is 90% ice,mine 90% beach.I'm going for a swim today,3 minutes away from home,SUCKER!
And I'm American,not Russian. And I know hell of a lot of non-Russians living in Moscow,happy and without any intention to leave.
I hate countries with hot climate.I love snow. In Russia you can have 30 C in summer,you have palm beaches at the Black Sea.But you have a normal winter when it's time for it.
You can't have a white Christmas in Austrlia. It's sad.
No matter how many raw materials you have in Australia,Russia has more.
BTW,after the hard 90s, many Russians are coming back.
You can keep your -40 christmas'.In the Southern hemisphere it's holiday season,summer,christmas,new years and party time,just the way we like it,taking nothing away from white christmas'.We love it this way so don't be sad.
Oh yes, I have a choice. If I want the winter to last the whole year, I can go to Kamchatka, if I want the summer the whole year I can go to Sochi, Adler or even Abkhazia which is de facto a part of the Russian Federation.
If I want to seethe seasons change I can stay in Moscow.
Anyway, I initially spoke only on WW2. But you started just bashing Russia in a primitive russophobe way and that's exactly the reason why the discussion has changed its topic.
These men did not have a choice. They got the call from their country and went to fight [right or wrong].,that's what soldiers do! No different to U.S invasions of Vietnam & Iraq. Many Italians did not want this war, but were forced to go.
Ideologie a parte... ai tempi se scoppiava una guerra ci andavi e basta visto che non c'era l'obbiezione... ... E che vi piaccia o no in Italia "erano tutti fascisti e basta...anche se non volevano".... Limitatevi quindi ad ricordare dei ragazzi meno fortunati di noi che sono morti in combattimento per servire la Patria!
Questo canale e' nato per ricordare mio nonno e gli 80.000 che perirono in quella atroce campagna. Rispetto tutti i pareri e accolgo le testimonianze di chiunque, ma non consento a nessuno di scendere nel volgare o usare questo "luogo" per fare campagne ideologiche che sono superate dai tempi. Piuttosto c'e' da meditare sul fatto che oggi nessuno vuole parlarne in modo serio. (Troppo "scomoda" la Campagna di Russia sia a destra che a sinistra).
ma uno come Andreasquadrista è un coglione totale ! ! senza parole... ma lo sai almeno quanti sono i soldati italiani fatti fuori dai plotoni d'esecuzione solo perchè colpevoli di essere tornati indietro davanti a morte sicura. tu che avresti fatto? saresti andata avanti? magari così una testa di cazzo in meno....
poveri ragazzi...mandati allo sbaraglio e alla morte per colpa dell'assassino Mussolini, dell'incapacità militare dei vertici e delle politiche imperiali d'Italia...povera Italia...
Contadini, operai, artigiani, impiegati sottratti alle loro famiglie e mandati a morire per assecondare le manie espansionistiche di Hitler. Onore a tutta questa gente che , nonostante tutto, compì il proprio dovere con dignità. Non li dimenticheremo.
non per assecondare le mire espansionistiche del fuhrer ma per fare il proprio dovere da Italiani da Soldati da Eroi...perchè è questo che sono Eroi...onore a Voi caduti sul campo dell'onore.
ciao scrivo da un paeseto piccolo della sardegna (nurallao ) 1300 abitanti circa , anche da qua partirono tanti ragazzi tra di questi due in russia da dove non tornarono piu la maggior parte morti in africa ( entiopia ealamein)e un marinaio giovanni loddo nella nave corazzata roma
Ho da poco riletto per l'ennesima volta 100.000 gavette di ghiaccio e in questo bellissimo filmato ho rivissuto la tragedia dei nostri valorosi ragazzi in terra di Russia. Male equipaggiati, male armati, male riforniti ma ricchi di coraggio e valore. Grazie per il filmato da un bersagliere di 1° Rgt.
Leggere Centomila gavette di ghiaccio è stato toccante.. Lo consiglioa tutti.. La guerra in Russia è stata uno sterminio in cui i nostri soldati si sono comportati nel migliore dei modi: la gente russa non odiava i nostro soldati.. Anzi gli accoglievano nelle case e davano loro cibo.. Un italiano è sempre un italiano... Viva l'Italia
video davvero toccante, complimenti vivissimi.. "Se questo è un uomo", "Il sergente nella neve", etc.. sono tutta una serie di letture che bisognerebbe far fare ai ragazzi al liceo. Ancora bravo e W L'Italia.
This doesn't want to be a video against the Russian people for which I feed great feeling of respect and solidarity for the so many sopprusis and sufferings that have suffered in last century, but against the stupidity of the wanted wars often only from few for dirty games of affairs. Thanks for your contribution.
Hello, I'm Russian, 45, from Moscow. And I not excuse for my origin as it was made by someone earlier. Nothing comes from nothing. Not the Soviet people invaded the Italia with weapons at their arms, but the Italians together with German Vermacht. Not the RUSSIANS started this war. We still do not know how many of us were killed in it. However, as a human I'd like thank you for such a video. Gennady
Complimenti| E' un video che arriva diretto al cuore.Mio zio è risultato disperso in quelle terre sconfinate nel dicembre del 42.Aveva solo 25 anni,amava e rispettava il prossimo. Grazie per questo video.
Perfect video! Sorry, but I'm Russisn. Anyway, forgive us as we forgive Italians. Now WE are a good friends and this is a main thing. This war was a stpid and bloody mistake. Just a fight of idealogies. But when idealogies trying to fight, innocent people dies...
It doesn't need to apologize. Russian people has suffered a lot of violences and victims for the same war. It needs only that this' that and' happened doesn't happen anymore' in the future. Thanks very for your contribution
Anyway, the past is gone. This war was great lesson for many nationalities. During this war there was a lot of cruel things. Now it's time to forget it and now it's time to forgive each other.
Gloria ed eterno riconoscimento a Voi.Bersaglieri del 3° e del 6°. Vivrete sempre sin quando le nostre piume e quelle dei nosri figli sventoleranno,perchè rimanere nel cuore, significa non morire MAI!
Non li ha battuti l esercito russo! Ma la Fame e il freddo della siberia! Onore alla 9° Armata che si batté fino alla fine per l´onore degli Italiani! W L´Italia!
li ha battuti chi li ha mandati in russia con le scarpe di cartone, le fasce ai polpacci i fucili 91/38 e i carri amati che assomigliabvano a latte per sardine
E con immenso piacere che vi comunico che il Capitano Carlo Romoli (la cui intervista e' pubblicata in 4 parti su questo stesso canale) ha recentemente pubblicato "I miei Vent'anni" Memorie di un soldato" (1941-1946) .
La presentazione del libro è prevista per Venerdi 20 Maggio 2011 -Sala del Gonfalone -ore 11,30. Palazzo Panciatichi - Via Cavour, 4 -Firenze.
fronterusso 9 months ago
Russia the tomb of the fascists and Nazis. Good riddance.
SOULFLYSI 1 year ago
@SOULFLYSI just f...
MrCinghialotto 1 month ago
Molto bello, non solo per la bellissima colonna sonora
ma anche per le immagini, per quegli sguardi, quegli occhi
che ci guardano dal passato e che ci ammoniscono, nel soffermarci
a contemplare quella che fu la loro sorte, a preservare
la nostra serenità oggi ad andare oltre ai problemi quotidiani
consapevoli di quanto siamo fortunati a vivere il nostro tempo.
barluba67 1 year ago
...Avete mai parlato con un reduce della battaglia di Nikolajewka? A me è stato concesso questo privilegio e vedere gli occhi lucidi ad una persona di 80 anni, che maldestramente ma dignitosamente cerca di nasconderlo, nn può lasciare indifferenti. in quelle lacrime celate si rivela l'immane tragedia di chi ha combattuto... sopratutto sul fronte orientale dove la guerra è stata più cruenta ... Sostiamo un attimo a ricordare chi è caduto ma anche chi è tornato segnato per sempre. Onore a voi !!!
folgore1977 1 year ago
quando cambieremo il modo di raccontare questa orribile storia?I russi hanno avuto ventimilioni di morti.Gli italiani piuttosto che ricordarla e commemorare la campagna di Russiadoverbbero dimenticarla e chiedere scusa di avere aggredito un popolo sulla sua terra.
Pierinopasquotti 1 year ago
@Pierinopasquotti NON DIMENTICHIAMO. CE L'HANNO CHIESTO LORO IN PUNTO DI MORTE. : QUANDO TORNI A CASA,DILLO COME SIAMO MORTI, .. CHE NON SI RIPETA MAI PIU'.
CE NE SONO RIMASTI QUASI 900.000.
NON COMMEMORIAMO LA CAMPAGNA DI RUSSIA MA LE PERSONE CHE L'HANNO...COMPIUTA.
gayerd1 1 year ago
@gayerd1 bravoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nn si deve celebrare un crimine cm la guerra ma le sue vittime sia alleate sia dell asse
Franci00ful 2 months ago
@Pierinopasquotti sei un figo hai super ragione ma credo ke anc folgore1977.x me neanche i soldati del CSIR e dell ARMIR volevano quella guerra
Franci00ful 2 months ago
Una preghiera....................
augmas61 1 year ago
the only good wop, is a dead wop
RonyMexico 1 year ago
In Russia prigioniero c'è stato anche mio Zio è riuscito a tornare dall' inferno vivo,non dimenticherò mai i suoi racconti... mangiava pane fatto di segatura di legno.
alesalvia7 1 year ago
Mio padre ha sempre sentito il bisogno di rintracciare i suoi ex commiltoni e spesso
mi ha portato con sè.
Sono indescrivibili i momenti del..contatto, il ritrovarsi a distanza di anni.
La parola 'fratelli' non rende neanche lontanamente l'idea.
Fratelli,in una vicenda che è stata la rappresentazione terrena dell'APOCALISSE
gayerd1 1 year ago
Simone Cristicchi dopo il successo riscosso a Mosca al Teatro Na Strastnom, presenta il suo nuovo spettacolo teatrale «Li Romani in Russia». Lo spettacolo, tratto dall’omonimo poema in versi di Elia Marcelli, racconta l’orrore della guerra di Russia attraverso la voce di chi l’ha vissuta in prima persona.
fronterusso 1 year ago
anche il fratello di mio padre è disperso in russia divisione cuneense.nessuno o quasi ricorda i nostri caduti.mi domando perchè non viene insegnato a scuola il sacrificio dei nostri soldati
alexander9093 1 year ago
Quanti ragazzi Dio quanti ragazzi .
francescolisi2009 1 year ago
Mio padre,reduce m'ha sempre detto : NON SCORDARE..MAI
Sono tutti in paradiso,perchè l'inferno glielo hanno fatto già scontare in terra.
Questo sito ci aiuta a tenerne vivo il ricordo perchè sono stati di una dignità semplicemente grandiosa.
gayerd1 1 year ago
commovente.....
6880700 1 year ago
IL 19 settembre 2010. Presso il Tempio di Cargnacco (UD) verrà celebrato il giorno della memoria dei caduti e dispersi nella campagna di Russia, presenti alte cariche militari e civili e associazioni combattentistiche d'arma.
fronterusso 1 year ago
Madness.....madness.............onoree gloria per tutti i nostri ragazi mandati in un inferno di polvere, neve e gelo!
glennthebest 1 year ago
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jorkohama 1 year ago
molto bello ma non capisco la foto a 2.36 cosa centra e' databile 60-70
jorkohama 1 year ago
If not because of so much corruption, alcoholism, and rampant gangsterism, there is no reason why Russia could not be an important player in the world.
zhukhov1 1 year ago
Una preghiera per tutti quelli che sono rimasti... e per quelli che sono riusciti a tornare, di tutte le Armi e Specialità Italiane, portandoci la Testimonianza del loro Calvario.
Ormai alla festa dei Battaglioni Alpini partecipano gli ultimi Reduci di Russia...
O là o rompi!!!
scure35 2 years ago
onore e gloria agli alpini italiani che si sono battuti fino all'ultima pallottola...
siamo orgogliosi di voi e non dimenticheremo mai
maurovg67 2 years ago 5
the first man was a member of the Bersagleria...I don't understand why ppl here have such comments - stick to the subject, ok?
granskare 2 years ago
STALIN=ASSASSIN
COMMUNISM=MASS MURDER
Fuck you,Stalin,Tito,Lennon [not John] and Marx,ya beet root eating,malnourished commie bastard.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
sono accette tutte le opinioni ma non le volgarita' gratuite
all opinions are welcome but not the vulgar 'free
fronterusso 2 years ago 3
heroes
TheLucaswaffen 2 years ago
Yes, thank you Russians.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
cold took their lives, heroes go to the end
TheLucaswaffen 2 years ago
Cold took the lives of both sides.
But Italian lives were taken by Soviet bullets and shells.
Those who survived capitulated.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
really?
TheLucaswaffen 2 years ago
No, my ass, Stalingrad has been Italian since then, don't you know?
BTW, it's more than hypocritical to play the Schindler's List melody in the memory of those who helped Nazis.
Very hypocritical.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
really? And the USSR trying ingul the whole europe?And the USSR trying ingul the whole europe? the Tripartite Pact had not attacked, you would have swallowed them.
TheLucaswaffen 2 years ago
The USSR had hardly enough force to take Berlin in 1945 - that was already much.
When was the USSR trying to invade Europe? Any documents? Any evidence?
It's funny how Russia gets invaded by the Western countries from one century into other and these invasions are always justified by saying that Russia had been going to attack that's why we attacked her - without any evidence for Russia's hostile intentions.
Russia has never hurt Italy but Italians reached Volga.
Now you complain...
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Many died on the retreat back home,-40 without food, water, boots,adequate clothing,transport,some without weapons. It's called "La Ritirata di Russia".
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Wait, wait, wait, Italians were in the USSR in summer 1943,
What retreat are you talking about? I mean, what -40?
But the retreat from Stalingrad was hard, I know. They shouldn't have gone there.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
I think I said things clearly,no?
They had to walk 1200km in -40*,with fighting their way out, totally abandoned,weighing less than 40kg,without boots or proper clothing ,weapons,food,transport etc.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Walk 1200 from where to where?
From Stalingrad to the Western border of the Soviet Union?
What are you talking about?
And they didn't "Retreat from Russia", as you've written it in Italian, they were retreating from Stalingrad after they had been defeated by the Soviets.
They were simply running away from the Red Army and not really "abandoned" - there were German and other units together with them.
Defeated armies always lack everything, it's true.
Don't fight if you can't win
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Retreating from The Don,before their last battle at Nikolajewka
No German help,as the Italians had to stay so the Germans could retreat first. Alpini undefeated.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Alpinis were annihilated by Soviets on January 28th. Of 17,640 only 1,607 survived as POWs.They even burnt their flag not to let it fall into the hands of the Soviets. Do you call this "undefeated"?! I'd say it was a complete defeat.
Cuneense simply ceased to exist.
And Italians started retreating on the 3rd day, they didn't "stay" to let others retreat.
They were walking westwards together with Germans and Hugarians.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Abandoned meaning there were no more orders, supplies, a rescue,reinforcements etc.
The Alpini,what was left,made it out,douche bag!
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Of course, defeated armies never receive order - they run, just like Italians did.
Of the Alpini about 10% made it out, others died or were captured.
If that is called "undefeated" then what is defeated?!
In any defeat there is someone who survives. But it's still a defet, isn' it, dull boy?
Heightofhate 2 years ago
They still made it out under those conditions,remarkable will, determination,courage and bravery, acknowledged by Stalin.
Stalin=mass murder=communism
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Stalin hadn't kill a single Italian before the Italians started conquering the USSR together with Hitler. Moreover, he has never killed a single Italian civilian, unlike Italians or Americans who bombed Italy.
The courage of the Soviet soldiers wasn't less great or was even greater because it's always harder to attack than to defend, moreover they suffered under horrible conditions created by the Stalin's repressive system.
And Bolsheviks were paid by Germany when they conquered Russia.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
This is true,I agree with you. I never said Russia was wrong to defend it self,or Italy was right in attacking Russia.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Do you know what you're talking about?You asking things like
what -40?... didn't retreat ... not abandoned... 1200km where?
You talk but you're not very intelligent or informed.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
I'm saying they made 200 km till January 28th when they were annihilated.
1200 km would mean they had left the USSR while they were in the middle of it through 1943.
Who did abandon those Italians, may I ask?
Who was supposed to accompany them?
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Read some history and you will find the Italians had orders to resist so the Germans could retreat first,who didn't help their ally. Even though fuel was a problem at this time,the Germans still had transport,same happened in Africa.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
I read history and now that there were almost no Germans where the 8th Italian Army was, maybe just a few units. And the frontline was Italian so it was up to Italians to defend it. They had been doin it for 3 days and then started running. They should have surrendered from the start.
BTW,there were a few German tanks which led the retreat and helped a bit. But everything was already useless - the Soviets won the battle due to correct strategical calculations.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
STFU,Germans gave Italians no help during the retreat.FACT
Italians were there for 3 years,not 3 days,ass hole.The front was approx.50kms,with troops enough for 30kms only. These courageous Italians fought tanks with there bare hands,dumb ass.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
You're so dumb... WHAT 3 YEARS?! Italians fought for 3 days after the Soviet offensive had started before they began to run away.
Moreover, Italians couldn't have stayed there for 3 years because they marched into the USSR in summer 1941 and that retreat was in December 1942, thus - 1,5 year, not 3, but twice less.
The retreat was due to a number of strategic mistakes plus don't fight with a stronger country, asses.
Italians fought with bare hands. For 3 days. And then started running.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
My Great Uncle was there for 3 years,according to him. I misunderstood you,the offensive you're talking about was for 3 days?Don't put down the Italian soldier,who was in no position to win,STUPID ASS HOLE. Your country is a "has been",which can't keep up with the west.HAHAHA.. you're BROKE!
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Italians kept their positions during the first 3 days of offenive then started running.They were taken out of the USSR in 1943 except just a few rear units.
What is "the West"? Island that became bankrupt recently or Greece which can't comply with the EU's standards? Or Austria with its 62% budget deficit?
Or the US with its 13 TRILLION debt?
Russia's GNP is # 7 WORLDWIDE. She doesn't have any foreign debt.
Russia credits the USA with 200 Mio USD. Russia is # 3 grain producer worldwide.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
STFU dryish,your navy is rotting in the harbor. You have nothing that comes close to the F-22 Raptor,can't keep up with technology of the west. Your country is a shadow of its former self,build a bridge and get over it...1989 ring a bell?
You still make 1950's FIATS for cars,get it now
Ramadl59 2 years ago
The Russian navy successfully destroyed the Georgian navy and a Russian squadron recently went to Venezuela.
Anyway, the Russian fleet can destroy this planet a few times and in the last years is very rarely in harbors, rather in the open sea.
Russians build BMWs,Mercedes.VW and other Western cars. The last Lada was built in the 90s where your head still seems to be living.
What is "the technology of the West"? Italians didn't work at F-22 creation.
And F-22 can easily be downed by a S-400
Heightofhate 2 years ago
BULL SHIT,these cars are foreign companies,Italians gave you the "Lada",or you'll still be riding horses. Italians are part of the Eurofighter Typhoon,stooge. Georgian navy,give me a break! didn't know they had one,LMFAO. WOW went to Venezuela,hihi
Ramadl59 2 years ago
These cars will be produced and assembled by Russians, although their HQ aren't in Russia.
Italians didn't give anything, they sold their old Fiat plants to the USSR almost half a century ago. So what?
Yes, Georgians had a navy but what do you what the Russian navy to do so that you think it's a serious force? To shell the Italian coast or something? And, yes, I haven't heard of any Italian squadrons making international reaching distant shores.
Eurofighter is an outdated shit.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
correction,Italians GAVE you the Fiat,as compensation for ww2. You got your military technology from nazi scientists,the only decent things you USED to make. If it wasn't for Europe,you wouldn't even have the wheel.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
"If if wasn't for Europe..."
Uh...Russia IS Europe. And made the Europe science and culture much richer.
Nazi military technology was used by the USA, the UK and France, too, but somehow nobody mentions it.
Even today's T-90 is a distant descendant of T-34 which was NOT a copy of anything.
Russians created the first strategic bomber, the mortar, the 1st heavy plane, the 1st heavy tank, the 1st swimming tank, the biggest jet and chopper - all that is genuine, not a copy.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Everything Russia's ever made is and was a Death Trap,especially the tanks.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
I see no death traps in Russian space technologies. Rather in the American ones - remember Challenger and Columbia?
Russians built the first flying mass chopper, Sikorsky did it. A very good machine.
Russians have the best ice-breakers and built perfect military ships.
Kalashnikov is the best assault-rifle worldwide.
What don't you like in the Russian tanks? They're perfect!
Russian mortars are the best worldwide. And of 4-motor planes of WWI 250 were built and only 1 was lost.
So?
Heightofhate 2 years ago
SO?.... are you trying to impress me with your big gun?
I'm not that way inclined,but I'm flattered.
Those erkoplans[sorry for spelling],look impressive though.
Accidents happen in man's quest to conquer space,doesn't the US make more flights than Russia though?
Ramadl59 2 years ago
No, the US doesn't make more flights. There's a take off from Baykonoor almost daily. Semipalatinsk launched missiles as well.
Space echnologies don't look like a big gun.
And the difference between the Russian and US technologies are that the last astronauts Russians lost were in the 60s while the US keeps losing astronauts even in the 21st century. Shuttle is just shit, it's clear but no-one has got balls to admit it in America.
The same is with the jets.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Things are different now.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
look what happened when the "wall" in Berlin went down,you could clearly see a huge difference in quality,and you never saw people trying to escape to the east.LOL
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Why? During 300 years Germans had been escaping to Russia from Germany so that in the beginning of the 20th century Russian Germans were one of the biggest ethnic minorities in Russia. The same is with Poles - they went rather to Russia than to the West. Their descendents are Chaykovsky, Stravinsky, Sikorsky, Tsyolkovsky, Musorgsky etc.
The French immigration to Russia was enormous especially after the French Revolution.
The USSR changed it. But the USSR itself was an anti-Russian country.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Italians have had military restrictions since ww2,like Japan and Germany.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Of course, just as everyone who lost that war.
Good for them.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Why are you not talking directly to me ?,sneakily posting comments here and not directly to me,cowardly you'd think.
Why are you so defensive,I'm not saying Russia doesn't have some good technologies.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Cowardly?
Cowards hide.
And I'm willing to expose our dialogue to the public and welcome anyone to join and argue - even against me.
I don't find it's the manner a coward would act.
A coward would rather write letters privately because he's afraid the public won't support him.
Is that what you suggest?
Heightofhate 2 years ago
And yes, you've stated Russia doesn't have good technologies. You stated it indirectly, but you did.
And the American F-22 of which you've talked so proudly calling it a "Western" plane is partly a copy of the Russian Yak-141 which was practically stolen by the US after the USSR had disappeared.
Just google on it.
F-35 is partly a made with Russian technologies.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
And I love to live in a "shadow" without budget deficit, foreign debts, with the 7th GNP worldwide and # 3 gold and currency reserves in the world, as well as 1/5 of the planet's land under its control.
The whole Europe depends on Russia's gas and your Berlusconi is blowing the pipe utmost intensively to get it to Italy.
And recently Russia has signed an agreement with Belorussia and Kazakhstan about the abolishment of customs duties. That will bring Russia additional 400 billion yearly
Heightofhate 2 years ago
I have many Russian friends,none would ever go back to live there. I'm from Australia not Italy,we have lots of land,oil,gas, uranium ,etc etc. Your country is 90% ice,mine 90% beach.I'm going for a swim today,3 minutes away from home,SUCKER!
Only western country in G20 to avoid recession.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
And I'm American,not Russian. And I know hell of a lot of non-Russians living in Moscow,happy and without any intention to leave.
I hate countries with hot climate.I love snow. In Russia you can have 30 C in summer,you have palm beaches at the Black Sea.But you have a normal winter when it's time for it.
You can't have a white Christmas in Austrlia. It's sad.
No matter how many raw materials you have in Australia,Russia has more.
BTW,after the hard 90s, many Russians are coming back.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Are you American are you?bagging your own country like that,I agree with you 13trillion debt YOU'RE FUCKED
Ramadl59 2 years ago
That's why I'm out of there.
As I love to say it - I just went back to where I come from, Europe.
13 trillion debt is not everything.
We took a credit from Russia. It's 200 Mio USD big, not really huge, but Russia crediting America is a bit revolutionary, isn't it?
Heightofhate 2 years ago
What are you saying?are you schizophrenic?I say something about Russia,and your American.I say something about America and you're Russian.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
I have a double citizenship. I decided to take the Russian, too. Thus, I can refer to myself both as Russian or American.
But I was born in America, in NYC, Manhatten, at Lennox Hill Hospital.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Does that make you a capitalist,commie. WW3 breaks out and your "two" countries are at war with each other,where does your loyalties lie first?
Ramadl59 2 years ago
I'm a capitalist because I'm for private property, the existence of money, the free market, the trade instead of barter.
Moreover, I don't support communists and am against them.
In the WW3 I will support those who defend and not those who attack.
But I highly doubt the WW3 would be fought the same way as the WW2 was.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Western and central Europe is Europe,not Russia who's had an "iron curtain"up for 50 years,over there in Eurasia.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
You can keep your -40 christmas'.In the Southern hemisphere it's holiday season,summer,christmas,new years and party time,just the way we like it,taking nothing away from white christmas'.We love it this way so don't be sad.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
No, it was -8 Christmas in Moscow this time. That's the usual temperature for this part of Russia.
And you can keep your + 40 Christmas there, thank you very much.
You love it the way it is because you simply have no choice.
Then you love it - what else could you do?
In Russia the climate has more than one form. It encompasses everything - from +40 to =40 and that's what I like - the diversity.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
You have no choice either.BTW christmas was 27* here,much better than -8*. I like moderate weather,beautiful one day, perfect the next.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Oh yes, I have a choice. If I want the winter to last the whole year, I can go to Kamchatka, if I want the summer the whole year I can go to Sochi, Adler or even Abkhazia which is de facto a part of the Russian Federation.
If I want to seethe seasons change I can stay in Moscow.
I don't have this choice.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Only Western countries in G20?!
Oh, real?
So, you want Japan to quit?
And who of the "West" should stay?
Island that is bankrupt?
Or Austria with its budget deficit of 62%?
Or maybe Japan with its budget deficit over 100%?
Maybe the USA with its 13 trillion debt?
Russia has the 7th biggest GNP, it has no debts, it credits the USA.
China is ls also a part of G20. Make it quit and G20 will die.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
Stop talking jibberish,leave this country out,that country,none of this concerns me.I don't care about other countries debt.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
That's you who's talking Gibberish, I'm saying serious things and provide accurate data which you apparently lack pretty much.
The truth comes out went you compare things.
If you talk of various countries, especially when you're trying openly to say one is better and another is worse, comparison is a necessary thing.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
You're doing all the comparing,this is an Italian ww2 site,not an Alaskan site or where ever you're from.We were debating ww2 before you changed it.
Ramadl59 2 years ago
This site is youtube and it's open for everyone.
What are you talking about?
Anyway, I initially spoke only on WW2. But you started just bashing Russia in a primitive russophobe way and that's exactly the reason why the discussion has changed its topic.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
... should they have been there?... NO
Ramadl59 2 years ago
But they were there, nevertheless.
Bad for them.
Russians made it sure that an Italian soldiers would never put his feet on the Russian soil in the future.
Russians did a good job.
Heightofhate 2 years ago
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these wogs had a choice & they took hitlers side, rot in hell
PooPusher007 2 years ago
These men did not have a choice. They got the call from their country and went to fight [right or wrong].,that's what soldiers do! No different to U.S invasions of Vietnam & Iraq. Many Italians did not want this war, but were forced to go.
Much braver men than you'll ever be!
Go fuck a sheep kiwi....BAA BAA BAA
Ramadl59 2 years ago
takes a brave man to stand beside a big bully doesn't it
PooPusher007 2 years ago
BAAA BAAA BAAA
I think you need a new pair of Wellingtons and velcro gloves
ah ha ha haaa
build a bridge and get over it!
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Ramadl59
Their is not a single man in Iraq that didn't volunteer to be in the military
The only stimulatory between the US and Italian army here is that both of us fought against Russian made weapons.
CandelarioGaIvan 2 years ago
CandelarioGalvan
I didn't know Russian weapons were so stimulating.hahaha
Ramadl59 2 years ago
Tradiore...... no such a word
The word you are fumbling with is....'traditore' [like you]
'The Germans were traditore by leaving the Italians to fight on their own'.... end quote.
Ramadl59 2 years ago 2
Italians badly armed and equipped,stayed to cover the Germans retreat.... who were much better armed...... same in North Africa
Ramadl59 2 years ago
tradiore
NiceGayShortAss 2 years ago
Ideologie a parte... ai tempi se scoppiava una guerra ci andavi e basta visto che non c'era l'obbiezione... ... E che vi piaccia o no in Italia "erano tutti fascisti e basta...anche se non volevano".... Limitatevi quindi ad ricordare dei ragazzi meno fortunati di noi che sono morti in combattimento per servire la Patria!
Lesionaire 2 years ago 6
R.I.P
Ramadl59 2 years ago
....poveri i nostri soldati....
sir81peppino 2 years ago 5
p.s. Mio malgrado saro' costretto a censurare le volgarita'.
fronterusso 2 years ago
Questo canale e' nato per ricordare mio nonno e gli 80.000 che perirono in quella atroce campagna. Rispetto tutti i pareri e accolgo le testimonianze di chiunque, ma non consento a nessuno di scendere nel volgare o usare questo "luogo" per fare campagne ideologiche che sono superate dai tempi. Piuttosto c'e' da meditare sul fatto che oggi nessuno vuole parlarne in modo serio. (Troppo "scomoda" la Campagna di Russia sia a destra che a sinistra).
fronterusso 2 years ago
ma uno come Andreasquadrista è un coglione totale ! ! senza parole... ma lo sai almeno quanti sono i soldati italiani fatti fuori dai plotoni d'esecuzione solo perchè colpevoli di essere tornati indietro davanti a morte sicura. tu che avresti fatto? saresti andata avanti? magari così una testa di cazzo in meno....
mastrogiorgio16 2 years ago
W L'ITALIA
UGARETTI 2 years ago
scusate sapermi dire il titolo della musica? grazie
ploaghe75 2 years ago
Theme from Schindler's List di John Williams
fronterusso 2 years ago
poveri ragazzi...mandati allo sbaraglio e alla morte per colpa dell'assassino Mussolini, dell'incapacità militare dei vertici e delle politiche imperiali d'Italia...povera Italia...
adamkrotone 2 years ago 2
siam pronti alla morte l italia chiamo
luridoslavo 2 years ago 2
Contadini, operai, artigiani, impiegati sottratti alle loro famiglie e mandati a morire per assecondare le manie espansionistiche di Hitler. Onore a tutta questa gente che , nonostante tutto, compì il proprio dovere con dignità. Non li dimenticheremo.
albertop952 2 years ago 4
non per assecondare le mire espansionistiche del fuhrer ma per fare il proprio dovere da Italiani da Soldati da Eroi...perchè è questo che sono Eroi...onore a Voi caduti sul campo dell'onore.
andreasquadrista 2 years ago
Eroi. Ma eroi che andarono in guerra seguendo le mire espansionistiche del Führer.................
woodsaver 2 years ago
ciao scrivo da un paeseto piccolo della sardegna (nurallao ) 1300 abitanti circa , anche da qua partirono tanti ragazzi tra di questi due in russia da dove non tornarono piu la maggior parte morti in africa ( entiopia ealamein)e un marinaio giovanni loddo nella nave corazzata roma
4353625 2 years ago
mussolini assassino!
Zikan13 2 years ago 4
Ho da poco riletto per l'ennesima volta 100.000 gavette di ghiaccio e in questo bellissimo filmato ho rivissuto la tragedia dei nostri valorosi ragazzi in terra di Russia. Male equipaggiati, male armati, male riforniti ma ricchi di coraggio e valore. Grazie per il filmato da un bersagliere di 1° Rgt.
alscu46 3 years ago
ottimo video da cui emerge tutta la sofferenza e le pene vissute da quella generazione di giovani
scarapollo 3 years ago
ottimo si evidenzia tutta la sofferenza di quei poveri ragazzi
troppi giovani oggi non sanno che è esistito un brutto periodo, peccato
scarapollo 3 years ago
Questa è la guerra: sofferenza , atrocità , morte. Meditate.
albertop952 3 years ago
Leggere Centomila gavette di ghiaccio è stato toccante.. Lo consiglioa tutti.. La guerra in Russia è stata uno sterminio in cui i nostri soldati si sono comportati nel migliore dei modi: la gente russa non odiava i nostro soldati.. Anzi gli accoglievano nelle case e davano loro cibo.. Un italiano è sempre un italiano... Viva l'Italia
giovacchinopino 3 years ago
video davvero toccante, complimenti vivissimi.. "Se questo è un uomo", "Il sergente nella neve", etc.. sono tutta una serie di letture che bisognerebbe far fare ai ragazzi al liceo. Ancora bravo e W L'Italia.
GingerFish85 3 years ago
This doesn't want to be a video against the Russian people for which I feed great feeling of respect and solidarity for the so many sopprusis and sufferings that have suffered in last century, but against the stupidity of the wanted wars often only from few for dirty games of affairs. Thanks for your contribution.
fronterusso 3 years ago
Hello, I'm Russian, 45, from Moscow. And I not excuse for my origin as it was made by someone earlier. Nothing comes from nothing. Not the Soviet people invaded the Italia with weapons at their arms, but the Italians together with German Vermacht. Not the RUSSIANS started this war. We still do not know how many of us were killed in it. However, as a human I'd like thank you for such a video. Gennady
GUZZATS 3 years ago
E importante che il mondo sappia che gli italiani hanno sofferto l´orrore della guerra in Russia. Grazie
This is a very important video, not to many people around the world knows about the italian tragedy in Russia. Thanks.
ma7174 3 years ago
Complimenti| E' un video che arriva diretto al cuore.Mio zio è risultato disperso in quelle terre sconfinate nel dicembre del 42.Aveva solo 25 anni,amava e rispettava il prossimo. Grazie per questo video.
lisuig 3 years ago
Perfect video! Sorry, but I'm Russisn. Anyway, forgive us as we forgive Italians. Now WE are a good friends and this is a main thing. This war was a stpid and bloody mistake. Just a fight of idealogies. But when idealogies trying to fight, innocent people dies...
arhiopteriks 3 years ago 2
It doesn't need to apologize. Russian people has suffered a lot of violences and victims for the same war. It needs only that this' that and' happened doesn't happen anymore' in the future. Thanks very for your contribution
fronterusso 3 years ago
Di grande impatto. Emozionante.
keepthemusicplaying0 3 years ago
Anyway, the past is gone. This war was great lesson for many nationalities. During this war there was a lot of cruel things. Now it's time to forget it and now it's time to forgive each other.
arhiopteriks 3 years ago
I wish they did not write such disrespectful commentaries about the Italian Army-
They were truly valient; their cause was not theirs-and their hearts were not with the second world war-
Viva Italia-
poitrenaud 3 years ago
Bellissimo video....
Commovente
minoguitar 3 years ago
pensiamo a quello che hanno passato questi uomini e vergognamoci di noi stessi....W l?italia W i bersaglieri e onore a tutti i caduti
ciaciaglia 3 years ago
Gloria ed eterno riconoscimento a Voi.Bersaglieri del 3° e del 6°. Vivrete sempre sin quando le nostre piume e quelle dei nosri figli sventoleranno,perchè rimanere nel cuore, significa non morire MAI!
05949FUI 3 years ago 3
Non li ha battuti l esercito russo! Ma la Fame e il freddo della siberia! Onore alla 9° Armata che si batté fino alla fine per l´onore degli Italiani! W L´Italia!
alfistadoc 3 years ago
li ha battuti chi li ha mandati in russia con le scarpe di cartone, le fasce ai polpacci i fucili 91/38 e i carri amati che assomigliabvano a latte per sardine
povera gente .....
woland63 3 years ago 2
bella conjunzione de musica e video.
Ringraciamenti fra Spagna.
Excusati errori in italiano
ignoratodo 3 years ago 2
bel video complimenti
dannyyyyyyyy 4 years ago
poveretti.. Onore e rispetto eterno!
mondrago77 4 years ago 2
mio nonno la fatta tutta la campagna di russia mi ha raccontato molte cose....le ho tutte scritte... è alluccinante quello che hanno dovuto passare
uskebasy1 4 years ago 2
Struggente. Bellissimo. Ho le lacrime agli occhi.
fkafka64 4 years ago