Discussing The Official Zelda Timeline

[NJ1988]

there is no sound

[8DarkMario8]

There is a theory that there is parallel universes, the time-line of zelda uses this theory as apart of it's story line.

GG idiots.

[LEAD1654]

Thank DIN that you acknowledge the Imprisoning war. A lot of people forget about it.

[TheBiggamer64]

This is honestly the most cohesive, and simple-to-follow timeline I have ever seen. Well done

[messyvideogamenerd]

@TheBiggamer64 thanks for watching

[TheBiggamer64]

0:54 Skyward Sword is the best zelda ever!!!!

[messyvideogamenerd]

@TheBiggamer64 yes

[asskicker210]

So whats the diffrence between split 1 & 2?

[Omygawdify]

Hmm... What if 4 Swords/4 Swords adventures take place after a 4th branch. Yup. You heard me.(Read me..?) I mean, what if there's an un-released 4th branch that will be "revealed" next game, and those 4 branches connect once more, to the 4 Swords/4SA games, showing the Four Links Grouping up against the All-Mighty Evil? Idk. It sounds crazy and all but may be true... One can dream, now can't he?

[outdatedboat]

I still don't understand how in the "adult" branch, he still goes back to being a kid. So how is it any different than the first branch?

[Kenziex123]

@outdatedboat Every Link in the Adult Timeline is not blood related to the Hero of Time in OoT. So in Wind Waker, it's a completely new Link, not the Child Hero of Time.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Kenziex123 exactly.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@outdatedboat because when he goes to the past he is a kid. the adult timeline continues with out him. he is just missing because he is back in the past. when he places the master sword back, he is a kid.

[JustaC00lGuy]

Am just gonna say it the timeline is in the shape of the triforce coincidence or?.......

[messyvideogamenerd]

@JustaC00lGuy i think thats how the planned it.. kinda lol.

[Kenziex123]

You were the first person to discuss this timeline without crying about the 3rd split. Thank you :)

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Kenziex123 i like the idea of the third split :)

[TheGameRage1]

0:31 Link Facepalm LOL!

[messyvideogamenerd]

@TheGameRage1 lol

[liberatedanimal]

In my opinion, I believe the way Link fails is he goes to the future in OOT and defeats Ganon and restores peace 7 years in the future. Then, he returns 7 years to the past and tells Zelda about everything that happened and what they need to do to defeat Ganondorf but, in this timeline they do not succeed. The 7 years in the future hasn't happened so there was no progress made in Links original time and maybe they couldn't get the sages help the same way or something. Who knows?

[liberatedanimal]

@liberatedanimal Not to mention the fact that future games could be made to fit between certain games in the storylines, they don't all have to come after 4 swords, Links Adventure or Spirit Tracks. I would love to see a full Twilight Princessish looking game that took place in Link to the Pasts World. Whether a Pre or Sequel! ;P I don't think a remake on a 3-D plane would hold up without having to change too much of the gameplay and structure so a new game in the same Hyrule would make sense

[liberatedanimal]

@liberatedanimal To further elaborate, maybe whatever they need to do to defeat Ganondorf once Link returns as a child can't yet be done but, then Link goes off to Termina and maybe he doesn't save Termina and dies, which can actually happen in game or maybe Link does save Termina and return to Hyrule only to fail at defeating Ganondorf and so here's the split where either Ganondorf gets the Triforce so on to ALTTP or Hyrules flooded or what happens between MM and TP, Links failure?

[LongHairAndGlasses]

There should be a game where Link goes on a quest to save all 3 time lines, uses an instrument to go to alternate planes. ie, A gate was build further away from you, and one is closer. go to the closer gate realm and switch to get to the other side to get past the gate.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@LongHairAndGlasses that would be cool!

[OliverTuriano]

Thanks for telling me about spoilers but either way i really liked explanation

[messyvideogamenerd]

@OliverTuriano thanks for watching. one should assume when its a video talking about an entire timeline that spoilers would have to be implied.

[OliverTuriano]

@messyvideogamenerd sorry my fault 

[Kenziex123]

There is NO evidence that Hero of Time Link dies... only that he fails.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Kenziex123 true. i should rephrase it.

[ScoopDragonX]

But what of the three time-lines, now the real time line ?

[messyvideogamenerd]

@ScoopDragonX no idea.

[Mojoflojo101]

see, its weird. When I first played windwaker. I naturally thought that he didnt appear in to stop the rise of Ganon at all because he got lost in Termina as a child and so the events of Ocarina of Time never even took place. And Ganon escaped. But now I realize that child Link told Zelda about it and they stopped it...my bad.

[polarseizure]

Why must logic always be applied?

[messyvideogamenerd]

@polarseizure it doesnt need any logic. the simplest way to understand it is to keep each split seperate from the other.

[luissousa59]

they should have a game where one of the timeline links fail and a link from the other timeline has to go and either help it or destroy the other ones to make one timeline again!

[messyvideogamenerd]

@luissousa59 thatd be pretty cool

[dragonjedi101]

at 1 time they said they were thier own legends hence legend of zelda just some with sequels

[InMyWorld10]

It's funny once when I was adult Link in OoT I Walked into a windmill and a man popped outta now where saying "You Played It AGAIN" and a song I always heard in majora's mask played in the windmill so probably when Link in OoT was sealed by Rauru He must've taught me a new song but when I play it a rain storm comes jk jk I know what the song is called by checking my dead young link inventory with the 8th year glitch and the song of storms was there

[dragonjedi101]

even if he did defeat link ww timeline alttp timeline would be same either way no link

[nahor88]

And the spirit that teaches you the hidden skills in TP is the spirit of Majora's Mask Link.

[nahor88]

Notice that with the exception of the Oracles, all the games in the 3rd branch were created early on. This implies the developers then had no intention of ever creating a timeline and just made shit up. When they did OOT, they wanted to try something new, and thus came the need for a new timeline. The second branch makes perfect sense, although why does it take 1000 years?

As for the first branch, one can assume Link marries Malon, becomes a rancher, and TP Link is descended from them.

[Mik4MaY]

the one that was asleep.. is it the same Zelda from Ocarina?

[Kagemusha08]

Up until recently Nintendo was just making shit up as it went. There's no other explanation for such a convoluted timeline. Honestly I'd rather they not worry about a timeline and just treat each individual game as a separate interpretation of the mythology; a reboot so to speak.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Kagemusha08 yeah me too. though it was cool to see him try

[PurplePizzaPokemon]

@Kagemusha08 Well, yeah, that's pretty obvious. I find it surprising that people actually thought that Nintendo had a timeline in mind since the beginning. I mean, seriously? No.

[ChinoGam29]

who care about the time line .if this mean nintendo will start making bad zelda game to go with the time line that would suck . nintendo should just keep on making BAD AS* zelda games :)

[coyote1337]

what about the cd-i zelda games? i know that they are "a piece of bulls**t*(avgn) but they are licensed by nintendo. 

[kagamers]

really should have cited the music unless you payed...

[messyvideogamenerd]

@kagamers you really should read the description... :)

[kagamers]

@messyvideogamenerd Now you have it, I did check it :P

[8BitROB]

Man, you've got me in the mood to play Zelda! :-D

[messyvideogamenerd]

@8BitROB lol

[NatureBOY013]

Who would have thought the hero of time could fail.... I wonder how he died lol

[DragonBallZFan13]

@NatureBOY013 Arrow in the knee?

[messyvideogamenerd]

@DragonBallZFan13 lol

[JayemayeJones]

DOWN WITH THE HERO OF TIME!!! >=O

lol jk. I just love A Link to the Past and the Oracle games too much, and the other games in the failure timeline. I want them to happen!!!

....I do like Wind Waker a lot though, but Spirit Tracks was blaaah.....Twilight Princess was a bit blaaah too, but Four Swords Adventures was fun to play with friends.....

Hmmmmmm.......................­.............. 

[maxmatt4]

I agree with the whole thing EXCEPT the placement of Four Swords Adventures after Twilight Princess. Vaati is in that game, which if he was defeated back in Four Swords, and Minish Cap, why would he be back again?

[TheBladeJunker]

Interesting stuff although I doubt this timeline was planned from the start, still its impressive it was even possible to sort all these lines at all into a coherent map. Cool video man. :D

[messyvideogamenerd]

@TheBladeJunker yeah man they prolly had every employee that was a zelda fan sit down and brainstorm it.

[marina00ish]

what about the CD i games? and If you did't beat skyward sword ""spoiler alert""

then did link have a son?

[messyvideogamenerd]

@marina00ish cd-i games are not official zelda games. and yes spoiler alert, but as mentioned if you are talking about the zelda timeline, then it should be assumed that it will spoil it.

[KFXG]

Man, it took long enogh for the time line to make SOME sort to sence lol. Great series.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@KFXG lol yeah

[SonicShenmue]

That Link was defeated doesn`t mean that he was killed. The original timeline, which leads to aLttP is the only timeline where the Hero of Time failed at beating Ganon, thus being defeated by him. He abandoned the original timeline for ever, when he changed the past for the first time. That`s why in that timeline adult-Link never beats Ganon, nor does childLink warn Zelda! That`s the timeline of the defeat of the Hero of Time, since Ganon continues to put Hyrule into Chaos as seen in the future.

[justsmash22]

And remember, the cd-i games don't count.

[vuser86]

Very nice video, enjoyed watching it and learning things!

[messyvideogamenerd]

@vuser86 thanks appreciate it

[TheLegendOfMegaMan]

That clears it all up nicely...

I'm F'd if I can remember all that tho.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@TheLegendOfMegaMan lol

[SPac316]

BTW,watch it with the spoilers man, not every one has beaten every zelda game now...

[messyvideogamenerd]

@SPac316 true but one has to assume when they watch a video about the zelda whole timeline, that it is going to have to have spoilers

[ThePianoPhenomenon]

I think Zelda is meant to be more like Archie. Its better that questions are not asked about why they write a lot of exams but don't seem to be graduating from college. They exist in comics for years and there is no real timeline that says what happened when. Similarly, we have a character called Zelda and a Link trying to save her. The only connection is between the immediate sequels that Nintendo announces where the story continues after the events of the previous game.

[XxseberusxX]

marry me

[messyvideogamenerd]

@XxseberusxX lol

[theprincessismyhoe89]

hey Eric,didnt know if you got my invite to my channel to check out my "World Of Nintendo store" collection room. thought seeing how we're "neighbors" lol

you'd enjoy it,check it out and let me know what ya think :)

[messyvideogamenerd]

@theprincessismyhoe89 checked it out good stuff

[TDGbusted]

I really dig your timeline man! I just made a video explanation myself, there are definitely a lot of room for more games Zelda games which is something to look forward to.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@TDGbusted thanks for watching dude. i appreciate it.

[BlkNblue19]

It took skyward sword to start it all...OMgawsh. Just makes me want to play OoT again...I'll make sure that Link doesn't fail...split story 3 will not happen under my watch!!! Looking forward to your next game review *splatterhouse...cough* =)

[ParanoiaGentlman]

"Flawless Zelda Timeline: Why Minish Cap" watch this is the real timeline

[messyvideogamenerd]

@ParanoiaGentlman ill check it out

[ParanoiaGentlman]

lol some guys told the a link to the past was zelda 3 :P

[messyvideogamenerd]

@ParanoiaGentlman well it was the third game in the whole series. but its not 3rd in chronology

[ParanoiaGentlman]

ZELDA 3

[tribesofca]

great video !

[messyvideogamenerd]

@tribesofca thanks

[F1MXLI]

my though is that failure time is if link pulls out the sword and is not sealed in the sacred realm by rauru

[djgamer2012]

i will have to watch this later because it may spoil some stuff but thank you in advanced.

[cstutor89]

In a strange way, this timeline somewhat makes sense lol.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@cstutor89 lol yeah

[TheSegaStoner]

I loves me some Twilight Princess, so I guess timeline 1 is my choice

[messyvideogamenerd]

@TheSegaStoner yeah i like that game alot.

[shootits48]

Even though The other Timelines happened My heart is with Zelda 1 and 2 so with the other timelines Its like what if the Original Link had lived.... Plus I remember Nintendo saying Link in Link to the past was a different person... although they ment from the Original game but anyways lol

[dirofreak]

And yes actually the reason you are sent in the future by Rauru is exactely BECAUSE Young Link failed against Ganondorf (couldn't master the Master sword), specially now that we know that this timeline is confirmed.

[dirofreak]

The ending only explains one timeline, not the third one that is created when Young Link is sealed by Rauru after he fails against Ganon (something that the game never show). That is the Link failure timeline, when Link goes back in time, he does go after he've been to the past for the last time (explains why changes are still there unlike MM for example), but of course before he dies. There's a reason why the book says "Link is defeated" rather than "Link does not exist or Link disapears"

[dirofreak]

The fact that support this is the Song of Storm quest, when you learn it as a adult out of nowhere (, Dead Young Link already played it somehow during his failed quest, but the game never show it. But the fact that Windmill man says "you played it AGAIN", prove that fact, how can it be "Again", if it's the first time you've played it in YOUR quest?

[marimbaman89]

@dirofreak I'm not sure I understand what you are saying but am interested to hear more. I don't understand where you are coming up with Link dying. As far as we know he is released from the seal by Rauru as an adult and then the rest of the game takes place. There is only ever one Link despite the creation of three timelines, no?

[pestro87]

Excellent video man!

[DrunkenMasterWarrior]

maaan i could never figure it out before, now im officially fried in the head :-x

[errod88]

@messyvideogamenerd Another great video

[Oakshan29]

Wow thanks for this, I didnt get to read the historia. Kinda makes sense

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Oakshan29 me either. im not even sure if its out in the u.s. yet

[310Skarface]

very nice presentation dude. but not a zelda fan... yet

[messyvideogamenerd]

@310Skarface your missing out dude

[lvpepe38]

Awesome video buddy

[messyvideogamenerd]

@lvpepe38 thanks man

[Shellshocker1013]

Nice video. I don't think the Failed Timeline means Link died in OoT though. I think at some point when Link was messing around with time he went to a different timeline. One good theory is that when he went back to obtain the Lens of Truth and the Silver Gauntlents he affected that future because he changed past events and didn't return to that particular timeline, which turns out to be the Failed one because he wasn't there anymore to stop Ganon.

[NeoClassicGamer]

@Shellshocker1013 yeah I agree with this theory and it is explained here on youtube by YourHeroes. Link not existing by not returning to that timeline causing Ganon to get the full triforce makes sense. Removing himself in this timeline is supported in that the Hero of Time is never mentioned in LTTP, Oracles, etc. games

[messyvideogamenerd]

@NeoClassicGamer good points

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Shellshocker1013 well the book supposedly defines it as Link is killed. I havent read it for confirmation.

[Shellshocker1013]

@messyvideogamenerd Well that's weird. The time thing could make sense but him dying....? Strange considering we played the game and he doesn't die. The Game Over theory is idiotic because that could happen in any Zelda game. I wish they would release the book in English.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Shellshocker1013 its just a different timeline that is possible, that connects the rest of the games. easiest way is to just look at it as something that could happen and not that did happen.

[Emmurethegreat]

MIND=BLOWN

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Emmurethegreat lol

[SPac316]

Interesting analysis...But I always thought that each game was self contain, kind of like almost every Final Fantasy game.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@SPac316 yeah but you know how the huge group of zelda fans are.. they want canon. lol

[dontwastemoney]

lol went over my head, still can't follow it.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@dontwastemoney lol.

[Shintai123]

hey good video, very informative

[messyvideogamenerd]

@Shintai123 thanks man

[DreamWarrior316]

Lets face it This timeline will always be fucked up!!

[messyvideogamenerd]

@DreamWarrior316 yeah but its a little better now

[MrVenom1974]

Thanks for the great video. It is strange that Big N showed an official timeline despite the fact they're telling everytime that the games don't follow any specific timelines. But I can live with this conclusion and I think also that in the next installment Nintendo will sum up all loose ends. But only to create more loose ends. ;-) BTW: What happened to the "great" CD-i-Titles. LOL

[KevinArcade]

@MrVenom1974 Those never happend.

[MrVenom1974]

@KevinArcade Ha ha ha... ;-)

[messyvideogamenerd]

@KevinArcade lol

[yaymeproductions]

haven't followed Zelda too closely, but this kind of makes sense. Thanks for sharing this!

[messyvideogamenerd]

@yaymeproductions your missing out then dude!

[yaymeproductions]

@messyvideogamenerd I know I am. I did watch people play Zelda games growing up but I never played one myself.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@yaymeproductions lol kool

[cyrus649]

thanks for letting me know the timeline :)

[messyvideogamenerd]

@cyrus649 thanks!

[timeteam1982]

Yes bring a crossover of all timelines .

[messyvideogamenerd]

@timeteam1982 yeah thatd be cool

[timeteam1982]

Now this put togeather I see where it comes togeather thanks .

[messyvideogamenerd]

@timeteam1982 thanks for watching

[0000Ishbo]

Great job! Very informative! 

[messyvideogamenerd]

@0000Ishbo thanks :)

[RsTheJuice401]

at club nintendo

[messyvideogamenerd]

@RsTheJuice401 yeah man

[RsTheJuice401]

hell ya! speaking of zelda, they got a new poster up.

[messyvideogamenerd]

@RsTheJuice401 oh yeah i saw that! those posters are pretty sweet

[RsTheJuice401]

@messyvideogamenerd just got done watching this, im even more confused now lmfao. btw where does skyward sword fit in these timelines!?!? :)

[messyvideogamenerd]

@RsTheJuice401 its first.

[RsTheJuice401]

@messyvideogamenerd oh lol

[messyvideogamenerd]

@RsTheJuice401 lol