Large populations of Han, Hui, Salar, Monpa, Lhoba, Mongol, Qiang, Dongxiang, Pumi, Lisu, & some several dozen other peoples live in this region. The common phrase, "One People, One Nation", associated with the Free Tibet movement, is not only a lie but a chillingly racist & fundamentally fascist one.
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Tendar's mother, a retired staff worker in a medical clinic at a cement plant, has fallen ill following the death of her son, and the government has stopped her retirement benefits.
The youth's stepfather--who the police suspect of having taken and smuggled out the video, has been arrested and his present whereabouts are unknown.
The Chinese government gets away with these crimes because of the cowardice of their government officials. Their false propaganda fools none. This is clearly a deranged regime, how can our governments in the free world allow this kind of injustice to take place, shame on us. Long live Tibet !
Also, just look on a current linguistic map of Asia; Tibetan is spoken precisely throughout the area reflected on true maps of Tibet; Siling for example (Xining in Chinese) is one of the last traditional Chinese towns before entering Tibet.
We are talking about political border of Tibet, not cultural border. Cultural border is not something that can be used to declare home rule; only political border can be used to define Tibet which is fighting for autonomy.
As the BBC website indicates, Qinghai has never been controlled by Dalai Lama. Including it in the Tibetan political border is illegal.
Just like there are many Chinese people in certain part of Indonesia & Thailand doesn't mean that these areas should be ruled by Chinese.
And what are you posing as, besides a supporter for state sanctioned torture, brutality, and repression?
From your profile page 3 weeks ago. "The real Tibet culture with the resources make available by China central gov is in fact making Tibet culture even more vibrant."
When will you start posing as someone with a basic grasp of humanity? Because from your profile, you are in the USA, but still choose to deny others the freedoms you enjoy yourself. That makes you a hypocrite
CHINA EXECUTION BUSES, Coming to a City near you. WAKE UP is a great youtube video. Falun Gong executions etc. Also BBC News - June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Square Massacre is a REALLY good youtube video, but there is LOADS of live footage on here of the massacre. yet more proof as if we need any that the chinese state are an oppressive cowardly gang of power crazed thugs. No change there then..
The borders of the 'real tibet' was a map based on the linguistic map. of course it's 'magically' the same. in real politics, tibet has never been ruled by dalai lama between the fall of Qing and 1951. Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang. There are many hui people in Qinghai and their number is about the same as (if not more than)Tibetans nowadays.
If Ma Bufang controlled all of Amdo then it's Ma Bufang's fault that horrible slavery and torturous religious practices flourished in Kumbum monastery, right?
If Ma controlled everything, you can blame Ma for the "skinning alive," and "human skulls," etc. in Kumbum Monastery.
Beijing has said that it liberated Tibet from the "dark ages" and "feudal slavery". If as you have said "Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang.", then how exactly was it a liberation from a Dalai Lama inspired and controlled "dark ages"?
You can't have it both ways.
But I dispute the whole Tibetan "serfdom" issue to begin with. Tibetan socio-economic hierarchy was caste-like, not serf manorialism, and it varied across Tibet and changed over time.
"your logic is wrong again. Qinghai is not just Tibetan."
Most of Qinghai was Tibetan. But still, even if not all of it was Tibetan, how does that in any way negate my point? It doesn't.
"If as you have said "Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang.", then how exactly was it a liberation from a Dalai Lama inspired and controlled "dark ages"?"
my response is that Qinghai is not part of Tibetan despite there are many tibetans living there.
there are many HK chinese living in Canada but they cannot declare independence in their towns.
you can only declare independence when you controlled the land and won the independent war.
Dalai lama never included Qinghai when it declared independence and his govt lost the independent war agains the central govt. politically its part of china, the whole world recognises it.
Gomeying, when my family lived there, Tibet began a little ways west of Lanzhou - right about where the PLA blockade begins today.
The real borders of Tibet are shown by the 2009 blockade. And of course are known by people who are really from Tibet and western Chinese towns like Lanzhou, rather than from Beijing or HK or Shanghai.
If as you have said "Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang.", then how exactly was it a liberation from a Dalai Lama inspired and controlled "dark ages"?
And by that I mean Hui medicinal shop owners who had no guns and were peaceful people. Mao's troops did not come in carrying "flowers and gifts" as some revisionists like to lie about. My uncle's friend was shot dead in the courtyard outside his shop within 24 hours.
Tibetans are NOT chinese. Stop insulting Tibetans. Go and watch
Discussion on Tibet: Part 1
and learn that Tibetans have NEVER considered themselves to be Chinese. And the Chinese have NOT considered the Tibetans to be Han people. Since the invasion of Tibet, Tibetans have NEVER thought of themselves as Chinese in any way.
No doubt your video
Dalai Lama's demons 2/2
will be full of LIES as well. But many communist LIES get told on youtube. Its nothing new.
yes tibet and china were one country in qing dynasty. it's also one country now. between 1911 and 1950, the one country was ruled by warlords at different places.
Here is the thumb of rule, if you do not act violently like beating other people or burning down cars or shops of others, police will leave you alone for sure.
After you got caught and beaten by police, do not act like a pussy and say the police beat me.
"Here is the thumb of rule, if you do not act violently"
This is a lie. They beat and arrest people for peacefully demonstrating and protesting, and then deny them fair trials. If they were arrested for violence, the majority of charges wouldn't be for state security crimes like ""inciting separatism and harming national unity," And that covers ANY written or oral advocacy for the Dalai's return, Tibetan self-determination, or even the simple display of the Tibetan flag.
"After you got caught and beaten by police, do not act like a pussy and say the police beat me."
So this is the standard? Don't complain about being illegally and viciously beaten because you OBVIOUSLY must have committed some violent crime, despite the fact that you are being charged with non-violent acts relating to PEACEFUL displays or speech?
Meanwhile behind the red and yellow deception, an obscene perverson of history which seeks to convince a disbelieving world that Tibetans should be thankful to be placed under communist Chinas tender mercies, China continues to expand its fleet of mobile execution chambers.
Oh yeah, and anyone claiming YT was blocked because of Caonima is a doofus; Boxun was hacked immediately after posting the Tibetan beating story; Caonima stories have been on Boxun for months.
The Chinese rants you hear on youtube are all done by a few "China Supremacists". Most Chinese people are friendly, and don't want to see China taking a imperial route, as it gets richer. I think the Tibet issue might be China's undoing.
""Many people have a false impression that the Chinese government fears the internet. In fact it is just the opposite," PRC Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang
This of course is completely false and can be easily seen by their frantic efforts to blockade and censor any internet outlet that might differ from the fake "Harmonious Society" image they want to project.
They fear the free flow of information, and for good reason. It allows people to see the "Harmonious Society" for what it really is
Yes, that was very nasty and boastful of him. He is mistaken; with an attitude like that, the government will become even more fearful of the internet soon.
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""Many people have a false impression that the Chinese government fears the internet. In fact it is just the opposite," PRC Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang
China is a scary country. They want to destroy the whole world. And I' sorry for the innocent Chinese citizens - they are just victims of the thought control by govermnet.
I heard that most of those in riots are monks. Rather than commoners. Religious motivation? I wonder WTF is going on. (Please, don't correct me, because you know no one knows - there is too much propaganda spread in the west that is directly contradictory to those propaganda spread in China)
WoW I guess this video revealed made the CCP hire some new Wu Mao... Free China, Free Tibet, don't believe CCP lies, Dalai Lama is not responsible for the violence in China, only CCP is!
Indeed. Except they're noobs - half of them are yelling, "There's not even any Chinese spoken in this video!"
I totally don't get that; why start out by shooting yourself in the foot, making it obvious you didn't bother watching it, you know? Or worse, you don't even speak Chinese?
Unbelievable. Wu Mao last gasp, I think - even less disciplined than the 2008 batch.
Seriously, I could run this programme better. I'd start by saying, "Don't shoot off your mouth til you konw what ur saying!"
yes of course the Lamah is to blame for everything. He ordered the China army to invade Tibet in 1939. I guess he ordered the Mongols to invade Tibet 1500 years ago also. oh yes and he ordered the CCP to murder those students in Tienemen Square.... Hmm... the two guys exocuted in Guilin yesterday was the Lama's fault too no doubt.
"these chinese people should be NUKED and usa is taking actions with this global crisis against china and russia. Remeber usa is working to fuck china in the ass.
Im from Kosovo and i am totally against chinese , my friend killed 3 chinese people here in kosovo and they left Kosovo massive because chinese are not welcome in Kosovo"
let's make sure Kosovo is the model for any future Tibet.
Kosovo??? Interesting. You must meet my friends in Podujevo.. I know they will love to meet you. THey really like showing racist people how to behave. Muslim are you? Ha
Oh good. I am here to bewilder and confuse. It is working at last...
My stance? Ah yes... well in kung fu we use a veriety of stance posture, very important that the stance is olid to withstand attack and flexible enough to move quickly into attacking posture. chih gong and karma.... :)
this is a really sad video, but if anyone finds it shocking, please, crawl out from under your rock and look at the general treatment of people ANY army in the world considers an enemy
these chinese people should be NUKED and usa is taking actions with this global crisis against china and russia. Remeber usa is working to fuck china in the ass.
Im from Kosovo and i am totally against chinese , my friend killed 3 chinese people here in kosovo and they left Kosovo massive because chinese are not welcome in Kosovo
"these chinese people should be NUKED and usa is taking actions with this global crisis against china and russia. Remeber usa is working to fuck china in the ass.
Im from Kosovo and i am totally against chinese , my friend killed 3 chinese people here in kosovo and they left Kosovo massive because chinese are not welcome in Kosovo"
you must be extremely proud of your country. let's all support this shining model of a country into the UN then.
"you must be extremely proud of your country. let's all support this shining model of a country into the UN then."
Too bad you can't muster up the same feelings over the brutal tactics and lies used by the PRC. But according to you, THOSE are ok, those are to create your glorious "Harmonious Society". You show pride when it comes to that.
oh my goodness, thats just tooo much to handel. all those soilders dont have any kind of saddness in their heart. there heart if pure rotten. how can they do such sins. if that is what happning to tibetan people, its really sad. i am sure these bad people have to pay the price for this sin.
in my eyes they can never be a human being, never not in this life not even in their next next life. wow wow wow this is pure crulity
A Chinese Govt. Official said ' the injury of the injured person is fake'. How can a person having 'fake injury' be 'injured'? By blocking YouTube, China has made the world watch the video. Methinks the target audience here was the people of the world, not Chinese people. By blocking YouTube, it helped the video get the attention it needed. Now its all over the internet and news media too. Frankly speaking how sites they can block? The whole Internet?
This is systematic beatings. Notice how each victim is dragged up to the stage where the police are beating their legs and kneecaps. They have been ordered to do this. The Chinese Communist Party is a gang of ruthless thugs living off the labor of all those under their power.
I think Tibet, the Cultural Revolution, and the Long Walk are just genocide. Maoists like to call these "internal" mistakes, and nobody's business, but we are not scared to accuse the Maoists of genocide.
Wow...the monks at Famen temple in Shanxi are closing the temple gates in protest against the government.
Government officials were building walls around the temple against the monks request; they were going to put a new entry gate where someone would sit and charge the people high-priced tickets to enter.
I doubt these monks will be rounded up and beaten, like the Tibetan monks, or I hope not.
From it's profile, KirbyZhang is a member of the "SupremeChina" organisation. So angry with Youtube people. KirbyZhang wants China to rule the world, but can't make the Tibetans love China. A little more experience is required.
China would prefer to fight, and to stick up a "giant fuck you finger from a huge land in the east". At least Mao pretended he was everyone's friend. You have lost his skill.
Westerners have been in the situation of ruling the entire planet, and then giving away this power.Sadly the Chinese have no wisdom. Perhaps they can be taught how to love, how to let their cherished power over people, become a butterfly. No, not for a long time, sadly.
Please understand that this is a historic opportunity. A chance for all the people of the world to show the Chinese bullies that they will never rule the world. Never. We support our friends. You are nobodies friend. In fact, all China can do is have the factories that nobody else wants. If you fight the world, your destruction will be swift. Don't hate everyone. Ruling Tibet is not your right. Freedom is the right. SO you can say what you want. Even if want you want is a load of shit.
The video was edited by the Tibetan Youth Association.
You know what. It was the british who created the Tibetan problem. Before invasion by the british force Tibet was a feudual but peaceful place in China.
You guys are invading iraq and afhanistan but China did not even send troops overseas.
So the British somehow instilled an unnatural desire in the hearts of Tibetans to be free? Somehow the desire for self-determination is a British created problem?
Your silly explanations are irrational. The people of Iraq and Afghanistan welcomed us, unlike the people of Tibet for you. Your "Harmonious Society" is a lie.
So all the arguments against seem to amount to "tibet is part of china, therefore they have the right to beat people while handcuffed" or "yes his wounds were rotten, but the camera editing was biased", the inhumane logic makes me sick.
Kuwait was part of Iraq and look what happened there, funny seeing as tibet has potential gas + oil reserves - whatever could be driving the Chinese goverment to impose martial law?
it's interesting how you try to slip through a militaristic threat inside the rest of the peace language. I don't know if there has been any military discussion but you're likely to fire up some bruising results towards yourself. In 62 India went into national panic from 3 chinese infantry divisions which weren't even planning to go further. you imply usa will go to war for any territory with oil. maybe the thing "free tibet" should do now is start drawing up invasion routes they can use.
seeing you're a complete novice (but with such bluster!) I'll help you out a little.
USA cannot crush even Vietnam, today, given it has no possible staging area. Crucial to any conflict is *where* does it take place.
you could try to stage in south korea and drive through north korea. kind of tough though since there's another 3000km to even touch Tibet. you could come west from afghanistan but there's like one single road. the reality is china crushes usa 500km from any land border.
Hmm, I was not intending to imply a "militeristic threat" - To read such into a post indicates your defensiveness but Oh well.
I was mearly making the comparison that an analogous political\territory situation has resulted in a totally different reaction, mostly due I think to taking on a large (yes I mean China) as opposed to a small dictatorship.
I find it interesting that once huge oil and gas reserves are found (2001) China becomes a LOT more interested in Tibet.
China cannot be a great country unless it is honest with itself. Democracy brings with it knowledge that some people don't want to live in your system. Freedom means that can choose what to do themselves.
Or maybe China is just an imperialist culture trying to have an empire. Maybe it's understandable, but why should we support China, when there is no honesty in government. Perhaps you also supported Mao, when he killed 50 million. His portrait still hangs in the center of Tiananmen Square.
So according to you it is the sign of a "mature" mind to make overblown assumptions and predictions and assume they are truth simply because YOU say so? Since when is the strength or basis of the American form of government CHEAP FOREIGN RESOURCES?
I specifically said "inherently preclude a change". You are making unfounded predictions that have no basis in reality or history. You speak of mental maturity while failing to recognize this?
Ignorance...if you think riots all over the world is a pretty little event, you are pretty ignorant. Rioters and riot police clash and they are both human that get PERSONAL at time when they or their buddy get hurt (both side). To blame riot clashes on a government is just plain ignorant or just another propaganda tool.
Ignorance...if you think riots all over the world is a pretty little event, you are pretty ignorant. Rioters and riot police clash and they are both human that get PERSONAL at time when they or their buddy get hurt (both side). To blame riot clashes on a government is just plain ignorant or just another propaganda tool.
Higher priced resources doesn't inherently preclude a change in the form of governments, nor do imploding credit/service economies, which can be fixed. As for immigration, that can be changed through the removal of failed multiculturalist policies and standards, decreasing the protectionist power of unions, and decreasing the scope and influence of the typical European welfare state.
But you, with your "whatis" worldview, doesn't agree with any effort to change things to begin with, why bother.
"The dissolution of the EU" would mean STRONGER democracy for the member countries and their citizenry. As for America, a decline in its dollar or foreign influence does not inherently preclude a change from its basic form of government in which power is held directly or indirectly by citizens under a free electoral system. That you would say so reveals your ignorance and shallow thinking.
It's also against Western policy for China to dominate it's neighbours. Thus criticism of evil government actions can help to alienate the inheritors of Mao from increasing their regional imperialism.
"i never understood why would westerners press their belief onto other cultures. "
read more comments here and eventually you will. why do you think the people who talk loudest about any chinese internal issue, are the same people who colonized nearly the entire planet?
This is a hypocritical argument. It's not okay to deride the Westerners for colonization, then claim the Chinese colonization of Tibet. Chinese people are human, okay?
"read more comments here and eventually you will. why do you think the people who talk loudest about any chinese internal issue, are the same people who colonized nearly the entire planet?"
Please show the widespread Western Colonization that still exists. And you assume that it is an internal Chinese matter, there is a debate specifically because that issue is debatable.
I am glad people talk loudly against apologists for oppression like yourself and the brutality your kind excuses.
You forget that it's a strategic goal to limit Chinese empire-building, and rule by force. So why should you support violent acts by the Chinese authorities? Even if you don't know all the facts, you know enough to make a comment against the Chinese.
"You forget that it's a strategic goal to limit Chinese empire-building, and rule by force. So why should you support violent acts by the Chinese authorities? Even if you don't know all the facts, you know enough to make a comment against the Chinese."
thank you. that is indeed the nature of any information from "free tibet".
"thank you. that is indeed the nature of any information from "free tibet"."
As I have said previously, all you have done is apologize for and excuse, what you have admitted are official, Chinese brutality and lies as a necessary means to an end.
China lies to protect their "harmonious society", why wouldn't you also?
When do you plan on providing evidence for your accusations about the entire "free tibet" movement? You know, something other than empty rhetoric and support for brutality.
evidence, how about quoting one of your own, like I just did?
your arguments are getting lamer and lamer. as you must know, most of the world's 6 billion people aren't buying it. most importantly chinese people aren't buying it. every time you do what you do, you sow more distrust among chinese and wake us up to who is friend and foe. I'm done with repeating myself and talking to wood. wish you better luck with some future hobby of yours.
"evidence, how about quoting one of your own, like I just did?"
What you made was a logically fallacious argument, it is called a "Hasty Generalization". Your sample was unrepresentative.
Here you make your stupid little "6 billion people" argument again as well. Something you were unable to defend earlier in these comments. Your arguments are filled with logical fallacies, lies and distortions.
But I am sure for you the ends justify the means, anything for the "Harmonious Society".
The thing is, we aren't shown what happened before the beatings. Remember good ole Rodney King? Everyone was screaming racism because we were only shown the beating and not what happened before the beating.
For all we know these people may have killed Chinese police or others.
They say Tendar was just trying to stop police, but that in itself is obstruction of justice. We are also not told HOW he attempted to stop police. For all we know he was throwing bricks at them.
That's why there are trials and laws, because we don't know. It's against the Chinese constitution to beat prisoners in custody. That's why millions of netizens are pissed, and now they're even MORE pissed since the River Crabs shut down YouTube in China.
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For all we know these people may have killed Chinese police or others.
it's sad to see everyone else in the world verbally attacking your own country btw. there are so many great things happening in china, if anyone would even put their mind to that.
there's no blood when peeling off the skin if you noticed.
i dont deny there may be violence of the Chinese government towards Tibet, although I am Chinese myself. but it's a result of resistance of the Tibetan authorization. Tibet still is and has been a special administrative region of China, just like Hong Kong or Macau. no one use violence for nothing. If, say, Florida decided to declare itself an independent country, would the US government just let it? I dont think so.
You speak like China has done no wrong in the past 50 years. In 1950, the legality of Tibet was not clear. Today governments agree with China, that Tibet is within its borders. But they don't agree that China has not committed genocide, mostly because China is afraid to let the news out. But the truth becomes revealed. Who worships the child eaters now?
which government or international organization has come even close to accusing china of genocide?
when I say "you people" I'm really talking about "you idiots" that no one recognizes or will support with real action. because reasonable people know all you have a bluster, you are useful for throwing out crap, but after you've been used up none of the international decision making elite want anything to do with you. I don't know why I even bother more time patting down skum.
"when did people of texas voluntarily to join USA?"
Mexico only ruled Texas from 1821 to 1836, and that only started AFTER the Mexican War of Independence from Spain, a point which you conveniently chose to ignore. Mexico chose to violate their own 1824 Constitution and replace it with an anti-federalist constitution. The FREE people of Texas had no other choice but to revolt.
Your grasp of history is as pathetic as your support of Chinese State sanctioned brutality.
Look at how China rules. China has been cruel since Mao was allowed to torture everyone. How can you allow this? Why should the world allow this to happen?
The world needs to arrest and imprison those who do these crimes. The imperialist Chinese are the world enemy. Evil leaders should be put on trail for crimes against humanity. China should get it's ass kicked for this! Everyone should agree with this!
this lordbossybum you have to combine several of his comments to see the amusement of it. "historic opportunity", "strategic goal", "ruled the world". hahaha..
I don't know why his being sore about british ash empire makes him come on youtube to dress his wounds.He tries to play some skilled manipulator of opinion but at least to intelligent people he's quite transparent. sorry chum you just don't live up to your victorian ancestors.india was always the caged bird that wanted to fly away.
has anyone ever doubted the authoritativeness of this video? it appears to me that the contents of this video are so blurred, unclear, and generalised. Look at the truncheon held by the police officers, they are as soft as a string.
i think the world is turning to be darker and darker in the future along with the rising power of china over the world...particularly the aftermath of the financial crisis happened in the west..The West can no longer challenge China..The communists can continusouly oppress the chinese living in china
I really wonder why the Dalai, if he really wants the best for the people of where he came from, does not drop his act and simply let it go?
It is not like the Chinese are mass killing tibetans, in fact they've made their life more rich by developing the area, bringing them out of poverty and into prosperity.
The conflict that is occurring today is blatantly all due to the resistance put up, and resistance is only strong due to religious nature combined with 'anti-chinese' supporter backing.
"I really wonder why the Dalai, if he really wants the best for the people of where he came from, does not drop his act and simply let it go?"
If you were really wondering anything you wouldn't have already made up your mind that the Dalai Lama is putting on an act. You wouldn't assume that the conflict is restricted to your uninformed reasons alone. You might bother to read up on, or acknowledge, the vast amount of information out there that doesn't agree with your preconceptions.
"For a child you got a lot to say teenwolftoo, all crap, but still a lot "
If it is all crap, I would think you would find it easier to factually rebut, or at the least, surpass with your as of yet unseen superior eloquence...
No one in politics is genuine. You're too naive if you think so otherwise. It is all an act.
When the US befriends China for economic reasons, then piss them of for military reasons, that is a balancing act. When Obama puts on his weekly address that is an act in front of cameras. Get it?
I have read up on it. It is all that comes out of China. The Chinese State viewpoint is not the one being suppressed through State sanctioned censorship and brutal crackdowns on dissent.
But you support all of that to begin with. All for the great "Harmonious Society" for which you have excused and supported the lies and oppression of the PRC.
I support the free flow of information, you do not. What gall you have to flip my own words back on me concerning rational free self-education.
with regards to free flow of information, I'd like Obama to tell us how many estimated iraqis are dead and I'd like Bush to confirm it. I'd like information on the photographic state of iraqi children blown to bits. CNN give me this free information.
Or if that upsets you let Al Jazeera buy that cable spot they wanted, instead of shooing them away.
free information. I'd like Dharamsala to come clean with how many of them owned slaves and who came in to burn their bondage papers. I'd like information on why Tibet being the world's like theocratic slave owning state, refused to follow through promised reforms. I need the information of the names and present where abouts of the people who obstructed this, and also give me a list of their descendents and current occupations and political pasttimes.
"free information. I'd like Dharamsala to come clean with how many of them owned slaves and who came in to burn their bondage papers."
And even if the information you demand fit the exact assumed portrayal you describe, then what? How does that in any way negate my comments about the free flow of information and your support for the PRC censorship and lies campaign currently taking place?
And what would you use this info for other than to provide a basis for further oppression.
Large populations of Han, Hui, Salar, Monpa, Lhoba, Mongol, Qiang, Dongxiang, Pumi, Lisu, & some several dozen other peoples live in this region. The common phrase, "One People, One Nation", associated with the Free Tibet movement, is not only a lie but a chillingly racist & fundamentally fascist one.
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JamesBayernHindle 2 years ago
Our tax money is well spent on producing this video.
STower1974 2 years ago
could be fake!!! dalai lama has lots of acter friends film directors,,
evo998 2 years ago
Thenn someone in China is guilty of treason for selling PAP uniforms and shoulder patches!!
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could be fake!!! dalai lama has lots of acter friends film directors,,
SauIan 2 years ago
Is communist OPPRESSION in Tibet fake ????
Perhaps you need to learn about communist OPPRESSION in Tibet which is why Tibetans protest. Please watch
Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion (in 10 parts on youtube)
watch?v=NxCD4Xu15ck
watch?v=NxCD4Xu15ck
and become informed.
Free Tibet from communist OPPRESSION
The TRUTH will PREVAIL
ChinaKillsNuns 2 years ago
@evo998 Hmmm... "actor friends and film directors". You need to keep off the alcohol my friend.
ljbonner 1 year ago
Human Rights for Tibet!!
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SauIan 2 years ago 7
Just a bunch of Anti-Chinese propaganda
Song476 2 years ago
Tendar's mother, a retired staff worker in a medical clinic at a cement plant, has fallen ill following the death of her son, and the government has stopped her retirement benefits.
The youth's stepfather--who the police suspect of having taken and smuggled out the video, has been arrested and his present whereabouts are unknown.
SauIan 2 years ago
The Chinese government gets away with these crimes because of the cowardice of their government officials. Their false propaganda fools none. This is clearly a deranged regime, how can our governments in the free world allow this kind of injustice to take place, shame on us. Long live Tibet !
winslowtide 2 years ago
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winslowtide 2 years ago
Also, just look on a current linguistic map of Asia; Tibetan is spoken precisely throughout the area reflected on true maps of Tibet; Siling for example (Xining in Chinese) is one of the last traditional Chinese towns before entering Tibet.
SauIan 2 years ago
We are talking about political border of Tibet, not cultural border. Cultural border is not something that can be used to declare home rule; only political border can be used to define Tibet which is fighting for autonomy.
As the BBC website indicates, Qinghai has never been controlled by Dalai Lama. Including it in the Tibetan political border is illegal.
Just like there are many Chinese people in certain part of Indonesia & Thailand doesn't mean that these areas should be ruled by Chinese.
Gomeying 2 years ago
Not Chinese, you mean Han? Chinese is only a nationality now, not ethnicity, according to CCP.
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Chinese people in certain part of Indonesia & Thailand doesn't mean that these areas should be ruled by Chinese.
SauIan 2 years ago
Just because Mao decided to shrink Tibet doesn't mean it was accurate.
SauIan 2 years ago
Saulan/chinesheart missing "e"
LOL, April fools day and you are posing as "Chineseheart" again.
poidsfi 2 years ago
And what are you posing as, besides a supporter for state sanctioned torture, brutality, and repression?
From your profile page 3 weeks ago. "The real Tibet culture with the resources make available by China central gov is in fact making Tibet culture even more vibrant."
When will you start posing as someone with a basic grasp of humanity? Because from your profile, you are in the USA, but still choose to deny others the freedoms you enjoy yourself. That makes you a hypocrite
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
In /watch?v=UN14gl9z9rY at 3:19 you can see clearly the red PAP epaulet on the shoulder of the man quickly kneeling quickly to deliver a blow.
@ 2:49 the man tying the hands of the boy in the bright blue jacket wears a green epaulet.
@ 3:21, on "Hao le, hao le" man u can clearly see a shoulder patch--same as other pics from Lhasa 2008:
tinyurl*com/cuogzt
tinyurl*com/d2774w
And anyone saying Chinese officials do not carry weapons:
tinyurl*com/dnh7hk
SauIan 2 years ago
Chinese Lie
Tibetans Die
Tendagami 2 years ago
Fuck CCP
chinesekmt 2 years ago
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CHINA EXECUTION BUSES, Coming to a City near you. WAKE UP is a great youtube video. Falun Gong executions etc. Also BBC News - June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Square Massacre is a REALLY good youtube video, but there is LOADS of live footage on here of the massacre. yet more proof as if we need any that the chinese state are an oppressive cowardly gang of power crazed thugs. No change there then..
Sarah3213 2 years ago
Have you ever compared a linguistic map of "China" with a map of the real Tibet?
Magically, the borders of the real Tibet are reflected in the linguistic atlas; they show exactly the same borders as the pre-1951 Tibet maps.
SauIan 2 years ago
The borders of the 'real tibet' was a map based on the linguistic map. of course it's 'magically' the same. in real politics, tibet has never been ruled by dalai lama between the fall of Qing and 1951. Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang. There are many hui people in Qinghai and their number is about the same as (if not more than)Tibetans nowadays.
Gomeying 2 years ago
sorry i typed wrongly.
'tibet has never been ruled by dalai lama between the fall of Qing and 1951.'
should be
'greater tibet (e.g. Qinghai) has never been ruled by dalai lama between the fall of Qing and 1951'
Gomeying 2 years ago
If Ma Bufang controlled all of Amdo then it's Ma Bufang's fault that horrible slavery and torturous religious practices flourished in Kumbum monastery, right?
If Ma controlled everything, you can blame Ma for the "skinning alive," and "human skulls," etc. in Kumbum Monastery.
SauIan 2 years ago
Ma Bufang controlled Qinghai but it doesn't mean that he was responsible for everything there. Your logic is wrong.
Gomeying 2 years ago
Beijing has said that it liberated Tibet from the "dark ages" and "feudal slavery". If as you have said "Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang.", then how exactly was it a liberation from a Dalai Lama inspired and controlled "dark ages"?
You can't have it both ways.
But I dispute the whole Tibetan "serfdom" issue to begin with. Tibetan socio-economic hierarchy was caste-like, not serf manorialism, and it varied across Tibet and changed over time.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
your logic is wrong again. Qinghai is not just Tibetan.
Liberation of Tibet is about the area Tibet AR which Dalai Lama used to controlled.
Gomeying 2 years ago
"your logic is wrong again. Qinghai is not just Tibetan."
Most of Qinghai was Tibetan. But still, even if not all of it was Tibetan, how does that in any way negate my point? It doesn't.
"If as you have said "Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang.", then how exactly was it a liberation from a Dalai Lama inspired and controlled "dark ages"?"
Try responding to THAT.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
my response is that Qinghai is not part of Tibetan despite there are many tibetans living there.
there are many HK chinese living in Canada but they cannot declare independence in their towns.
you can only declare independence when you controlled the land and won the independent war.
Dalai lama never included Qinghai when it declared independence and his govt lost the independent war agains the central govt. politically its part of china, the whole world recognises it.
Gomeying 2 years ago
Gomeying, when my family lived there, Tibet began a little ways west of Lanzhou - right about where the PLA blockade begins today.
The real borders of Tibet are shown by the 2009 blockade. And of course are known by people who are really from Tibet and western Chinese towns like Lanzhou, rather than from Beijing or HK or Shanghai.
SauIan 2 years ago
Totally untrue. You are saying Kumbum Monastery was not Tibetan? Kumbum is not far west of Lanzhou. My own uncle went there as a boy, from Lanzhou.
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Liberation of Tibet is about the area Tibet AR which Dalai Lama used to controlled.
SauIan 2 years ago
No one says this. We are talkinga bout the political border when Dalai Lama declared independence.
Gomeying 2 years ago
Excellent point, Teenwolf.
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If as you have said "Qinghai was not controlled by Dalai Lama but a hui warlord call Ma Bufang.", then how exactly was it a liberation from a Dalai Lama inspired and controlled "dark ages"?
SauIan 2 years ago
you can just checked the history of Qinghai in Wikipedia or other more precise source.
Gomeying 2 years ago
Yes and Hui were some of the first to be shot dead by Mao's "troops" as they entered Lanzhou.
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There are many hui people in Qinghai and their number is about the same as (if not more than)Tibetans nowadays.
SauIan 2 years ago
And by that I mean Hui medicinal shop owners who had no guns and were peaceful people. Mao's troops did not come in carrying "flowers and gifts" as some revisionists like to lie about. My uncle's friend was shot dead in the courtyard outside his shop within 24 hours.
SauIan 2 years ago
why is it always the tibetans who arrive in the west that become blatant racists, while tibetans in india think they are chinese?
watch?v=nVIdXVxpBfQ
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
I somehow think your mind is wandering. Tibetans think they are Chinese ?
KhampaWarrior 2 years ago
Delete lie from KirbyZhang
Tibetans are NOT chinese. Stop insulting Tibetans. Go and watch
Discussion on Tibet: Part 1
and learn that Tibetans have NEVER considered themselves to be Chinese. And the Chinese have NOT considered the Tibetans to be Han people. Since the invasion of Tibet, Tibetans have NEVER thought of themselves as Chinese in any way.
No doubt your video
Dalai Lama's demons 2/2
will be full of LIES as well. But many communist LIES get told on youtube. Its nothing new.
ChinaKillsTibetans 2 years ago
you have a lot of reasoning capacity
you have completely convinced the chinese people we should give you one fourth of our territory to be governed by you.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
Tibet was NEVER part of china and NEVER under Chinese control before 1950.
China and Tibet were controlled by Mongols at yuan and by Manchus at qing !!!
ChinaKillsTibetans 2 years ago
yes tibet and china were one country in qing dynasty. it's also one country now. between 1911 and 1950, the one country was ruled by warlords at different places.
Gomeying 2 years ago
Tibet was NEVER part of china and NEVER under Han Chinese control before 1950.
ChinaKillsNuns 2 years ago
posting comments and arguing are the waste of time, focus on the video
cnnoaccess 2 years ago
Here is the thumb of rule, if you do not act violently like beating other people or burning down cars or shops of others, police will leave you alone for sure.
After you got caught and beaten by police, do not act like a pussy and say the police beat me.
Tommyhung917 2 years ago
good rule. and I agree with the other comment to end the inane discussion I was having.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
"Here is the thumb of rule, if you do not act violently"
This is a lie. They beat and arrest people for peacefully demonstrating and protesting, and then deny them fair trials. If they were arrested for violence, the majority of charges wouldn't be for state security crimes like ""inciting separatism and harming national unity," And that covers ANY written or oral advocacy for the Dalai's return, Tibetan self-determination, or even the simple display of the Tibetan flag.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
contd.
"After you got caught and beaten by police, do not act like a pussy and say the police beat me."
So this is the standard? Don't complain about being illegally and viciously beaten because you OBVIOUSLY must have committed some violent crime, despite the fact that you are being charged with non-violent acts relating to PEACEFUL displays or speech?
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
Do you know why riots happen in Tibet ????
Do you know that Tibet is the biggest PRISON CAMP in the World ???
ChinaKillsNuns 2 years ago
Meanwhile behind the red and yellow deception, an obscene perverson of history which seeks to convince a disbelieving world that Tibetans should be thankful to be placed under communist Chinas tender mercies, China continues to expand its fleet of mobile execution chambers.
SauIan 2 years ago
what in the cracker are you talking about you nut
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
This place needs good karma <;-;'
Jingjing99 2 years ago
And the Chinese whip what ?? how there propaganda in your country I thought that they detached the access to such films for citizens of China ?
leszek29 2 years ago
Oh yeah, and anyone claiming YT was blocked because of Caonima is a doofus; Boxun was hacked immediately after posting the Tibetan beating story; Caonima stories have been on Boxun for months.
PWNED.
SauIan 2 years ago
Anyone who doubts Tibet and Turkistan are separate countries, Google "Asia night satellite."
You will see the truth.
Also, Tibet is blockaded right now; guess where the blockade begins? 200km west of Lanzhou.
Tibet is Tibet; it never was China.
SauIan 2 years ago
damn ＰＬＡ is horrible!
Jianghua2 2 years ago
The Chinese rants you hear on youtube are all done by a few "China Supremacists". Most Chinese people are friendly, and don't want to see China taking a imperial route, as it gets richer. I think the Tibet issue might be China's undoing.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
Well Youtube has been closed for 2 weeks in China now because of these videos
Jianghua2 2 years ago
""Many people have a false impression that the Chinese government fears the internet. In fact it is just the opposite," PRC Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang
This of course is completely false and can be easily seen by their frantic efforts to blockade and censor any internet outlet that might differ from the fake "Harmonious Society" image they want to project.
They fear the free flow of information, and for good reason. It allows people to see the "Harmonious Society" for what it really is
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
Yes, that was very nasty and boastful of him. He is mistaken; with an attitude like that, the government will become even more fearful of the internet soon.
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""Many people have a false impression that the Chinese government fears the internet. In fact it is just the opposite," PRC Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang
SauIan 2 years ago
China is a scary country. They want to destroy the whole world. And I' sorry for the innocent Chinese citizens - they are just victims of the thought control by govermnet.
NekoNekoNyanNyan00 2 years ago
FREE TIBET!
WE LOVE PEACE!
yuriko0308 2 years ago
tibetan= evil, deserve to die.
westerners=ignorant, deserve to die
nowhereman861217 2 years ago
nowhereman8612167 = idiot, deserve a brain
Jianghua2 2 years ago
"tibetan= evil, deserve to die.
westerners=ignorant, deserve to die"
The "Harmonious Society" at work!
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
I heard that most of those in riots are monks. Rather than commoners. Religious motivation? I wonder WTF is going on. (Please, don't correct me, because you know no one knows - there is too much propaganda spread in the west that is directly contradictory to those propaganda spread in China)
ronald0524 2 years ago
WoW I guess this video revealed made the CCP hire some new Wu Mao... Free China, Free Tibet, don't believe CCP lies, Dalai Lama is not responsible for the violence in China, only CCP is!
Jianghua2 2 years ago
Indeed. Except they're noobs - half of them are yelling, "There's not even any Chinese spoken in this video!"
I totally don't get that; why start out by shooting yourself in the foot, making it obvious you didn't bother watching it, you know? Or worse, you don't even speak Chinese?
Unbelievable. Wu Mao last gasp, I think - even less disciplined than the 2008 batch.
Seriously, I could run this programme better. I'd start by saying, "Don't shoot off your mouth til you konw what ur saying!"
SauIan 2 years ago
"Seriously, I could run this programme better. I'd start by saying, "Don't shoot off your mouth til you konw what ur saying!""
"If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth." Joseph Goebbels (Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945)
That is all that matters for these people. Keep people within ignorant and unable to dissent or speak freely, and loudly lie to everyone outside.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
Et quand j'ai dis "you," Jianghua, je ne parlais pas de toi-meme, tu sais...
(Pardonnez-mois ma Francais terrible!!)
SauIan 2 years ago
je sais.
They are 'noobs' lol
Jianghua2 2 years ago
it is all Dalai Lama 's fault.
tommywang958 2 years ago
yes of course the Lamah is to blame for everything. He ordered the China army to invade Tibet in 1939. I guess he ordered the Mongols to invade Tibet 1500 years ago also. oh yes and he ordered the CCP to murder those students in Tienemen Square.... Hmm... the two guys exocuted in Guilin yesterday was the Lama's fault too no doubt.
ShoeProtestor 2 years ago
"these chinese people should be NUKED and usa is taking actions with this global crisis against china and russia. Remeber usa is working to fuck china in the ass.
Im from Kosovo and i am totally against chinese , my friend killed 3 chinese people here in kosovo and they left Kosovo massive because chinese are not welcome in Kosovo"
let's make sure Kosovo is the model for any future Tibet.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
Kosovo??? Interesting. You must meet my friends in Podujevo.. I know they will love to meet you. THey really like showing racist people how to behave. Muslim are you? Ha
ShoeProtestor 2 years ago
shoey I'm always bewildered by your stance on anything. are you talking to me, or to the kosovar?
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
Oh good. I am here to bewilder and confuse. It is working at last...
My stance? Ah yes... well in kung fu we use a veriety of stance posture, very important that the stance is olid to withstand attack and flexible enough to move quickly into attacking posture. chih gong and karma.... :)
ShoeProtestor 2 years ago
oh good. i think that looks very sexy..
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
If its sexy you want you should join me in My Spacs :)
ShoeProtestor 2 years ago
this is a really sad video, but if anyone finds it shocking, please, crawl out from under your rock and look at the general treatment of people ANY army in the world considers an enemy
davestshirt 2 years ago
these chinese people should be NUKED and usa is taking actions with this global crisis against china and russia. Remeber usa is working to fuck china in the ass.
Im from Kosovo and i am totally against chinese , my friend killed 3 chinese people here in kosovo and they left Kosovo massive because chinese are not welcome in Kosovo
theyll 2 years ago
"these chinese people should be NUKED and usa is taking actions with this global crisis against china and russia. Remeber usa is working to fuck china in the ass.
Im from Kosovo and i am totally against chinese , my friend killed 3 chinese people here in kosovo and they left Kosovo massive because chinese are not welcome in Kosovo"
you must be extremely proud of your country. let's all support this shining model of a country into the UN then.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
"you must be extremely proud of your country. let's all support this shining model of a country into the UN then."
Too bad you can't muster up the same feelings over the brutal tactics and lies used by the PRC. But according to you, THOSE are ok, those are to create your glorious "Harmonious Society". You show pride when it comes to that.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
oh my goodness, thats just tooo much to handel. all those soilders dont have any kind of saddness in their heart. there heart if pure rotten. how can they do such sins. if that is what happning to tibetan people, its really sad. i am sure these bad people have to pay the price for this sin.
in my eyes they can never be a human being, never not in this life not even in their next next life. wow wow wow this is pure crulity
sweetlove0000 2 years ago
A Chinese Govt. Official said ' the injury of the injured person is fake'. How can a person having 'fake injury' be 'injured'? By blocking YouTube, China has made the world watch the video. Methinks the target audience here was the people of the world, not Chinese people. By blocking YouTube, it helped the video get the attention it needed. Now its all over the internet and news media too. Frankly speaking how sites they can block? The whole Internet?
threbto 2 years ago
Wow, leapingbonobo:
leapingbonobo
Joined: February 09, 2009
Just in time to practice for about a month on your River Crab skills?
SauIan 2 years ago
Saulan, I note that you only joined on 26 November 2008. Did you purposely joined a little bit early to practice your River Crab skills?
Gomeying 2 years ago
I think the Maoists lie about Tibet.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
This is systematic beatings. Notice how each victim is dragged up to the stage where the police are beating their legs and kneecaps. They have been ordered to do this. The Chinese Communist Party is a gang of ruthless thugs living off the labor of all those under their power.
MtMozart 2 years ago
I think Tibet, the Cultural Revolution, and the Long Walk are just genocide. Maoists like to call these "internal" mistakes, and nobody's business, but we are not scared to accuse the Maoists of genocide.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
"it's our country's internal mistakes so none of your business"...
I love Chinese people but the Maoists tell everyone what to believe, what to think. That is not nice.
The UN report on Tibet revealed torture. China doen't mind that 200,000 or more Tibetans have been killed. China only cares for China.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
Freedom for Tibet!
The world unite and overthrow the oppressive Chinese imperialists! Death to the inheritors of Mao!
lordbossybum 2 years ago
Wow...the monks at Famen temple in Shanxi are closing the temple gates in protest against the government.
Government officials were building walls around the temple against the monks request; they were going to put a new entry gate where someone would sit and charge the people high-priced tickets to enter.
I doubt these monks will be rounded up and beaten, like the Tibetan monks, or I hope not.
SauIan 2 years ago
people so stupid, so stupid...
burn in hell
skrajnik 2 years ago
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KhampaWarrior 2 years ago
From it's profile, KirbyZhang is a member of the "SupremeChina" organisation. So angry with Youtube people. KirbyZhang wants China to rule the world, but can't make the Tibetans love China. A little more experience is required.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
Chinese people are so angry that everyone cares about the Tibetans. I want to like Chinese people. Really I do.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
Youtube is a western website, so you will hear western views. If you only want to hear how great China is, you will have to hide in China. Sorry.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
The USA only wants oil. China wants to rule people. This as China's weakness.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
China would prefer to fight, and to stick up a "giant fuck you finger from a huge land in the east". At least Mao pretended he was everyone's friend. You have lost his skill.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
Westerners have been in the situation of ruling the entire planet, and then giving away this power.Sadly the Chinese have no wisdom. Perhaps they can be taught how to love, how to let their cherished power over people, become a butterfly. No, not for a long time, sadly.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
Please understand that this is a historic opportunity. A chance for all the people of the world to show the Chinese bullies that they will never rule the world. Never. We support our friends. You are nobodies friend. In fact, all China can do is have the factories that nobody else wants. If you fight the world, your destruction will be swift. Don't hate everyone. Ruling Tibet is not your right. Freedom is the right. SO you can say what you want. Even if want you want is a load of shit.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
The video was edited by the Tibetan Youth Association.
You know what. It was the british who created the Tibetan problem. Before invasion by the british force Tibet was a feudual but peaceful place in China.
You guys are invading iraq and afhanistan but China did not even send troops overseas.
WeloveHKChina 2 years ago
So the British somehow instilled an unnatural desire in the hearts of Tibetans to be free? Somehow the desire for self-determination is a British created problem?
Your silly explanations are irrational. The people of Iraq and Afghanistan welcomed us, unlike the people of Tibet for you. Your "Harmonious Society" is a lie.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
So all the arguments against seem to amount to "tibet is part of china, therefore they have the right to beat people while handcuffed" or "yes his wounds were rotten, but the camera editing was biased", the inhumane logic makes me sick.
Kuwait was part of Iraq and look what happened there, funny seeing as tibet has potential gas + oil reserves - whatever could be driving the Chinese goverment to impose martial law?
This is indefensible however you wish to play it.
TwistedDragon1 2 years ago
it's interesting how you try to slip through a militaristic threat inside the rest of the peace language. I don't know if there has been any military discussion but you're likely to fire up some bruising results towards yourself. In 62 India went into national panic from 3 chinese infantry divisions which weren't even planning to go further. you imply usa will go to war for any territory with oil. maybe the thing "free tibet" should do now is start drawing up invasion routes they can use.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
The US could crush China militarily.
twocs 2 years ago
seeing you're a complete novice (but with such bluster!) I'll help you out a little.
USA cannot crush even Vietnam, today, given it has no possible staging area. Crucial to any conflict is *where* does it take place.
you could try to stage in south korea and drive through north korea. kind of tough though since there's another 3000km to even touch Tibet. you could come west from afghanistan but there's like one single road. the reality is china crushes usa 500km from any land border.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
Probably not, China owns to much of their national deficit.
TwistedDragon1 2 years ago
Hmm, I was not intending to imply a "militeristic threat" - To read such into a post indicates your defensiveness but Oh well.
I was mearly making the comparison that an analogous political\territory situation has resulted in a totally different reaction, mostly due I think to taking on a large (yes I mean China) as opposed to a small dictatorship.
I find it interesting that once huge oil and gas reserves are found (2001) China becomes a LOT more interested in Tibet.
TwistedDragon1 2 years ago
Sorry I misread you.
Kuwait was an internationally recognized country with a seat in the United Nations. It definitely was not an analogous situation as Tibet.
The Tibet mineral survey found copper and lead and other minerals. Not really oil and gas.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
Tibet Free
flming 2 years ago
China cannot be a great country unless it is honest with itself. Democracy brings with it knowledge that some people don't want to live in your system. Freedom means that can choose what to do themselves.
Or maybe China is just an imperialist culture trying to have an empire. Maybe it's understandable, but why should we support China, when there is no honesty in government. Perhaps you also supported Mao, when he killed 50 million. His portrait still hangs in the center of Tiananmen Square.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
So according to you it is the sign of a "mature" mind to make overblown assumptions and predictions and assume they are truth simply because YOU say so? Since when is the strength or basis of the American form of government CHEAP FOREIGN RESOURCES?
I specifically said "inherently preclude a change". You are making unfounded predictions that have no basis in reality or history. You speak of mental maturity while failing to recognize this?
Simply laughable.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
what did the guy say at 3:37?
bg24955 2 years ago 2
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Ignorance...if you think riots all over the world is a pretty little event, you are pretty ignorant. Rioters and riot police clash and they are both human that get PERSONAL at time when they or their buddy get hurt (both side). To blame riot clashes on a government is just plain ignorant or just another propaganda tool.
FreeTheTruth1 2 years ago
Ignorance...if you think riots all over the world is a pretty little event, you are pretty ignorant. Rioters and riot police clash and they are both human that get PERSONAL at time when they or their buddy get hurt (both side). To blame riot clashes on a government is just plain ignorant or just another propaganda tool.
FreeTheTruth1 2 years ago
Higher priced resources doesn't inherently preclude a change in the form of governments, nor do imploding credit/service economies, which can be fixed. As for immigration, that can be changed through the removal of failed multiculturalist policies and standards, decreasing the protectionist power of unions, and decreasing the scope and influence of the typical European welfare state.
But you, with your "whatis" worldview, doesn't agree with any effort to change things to begin with, why bother.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
"The dissolution of the EU" would mean STRONGER democracy for the member countries and their citizenry. As for America, a decline in its dollar or foreign influence does not inherently preclude a change from its basic form of government in which power is held directly or indirectly by citizens under a free electoral system. That you would say so reveals your ignorance and shallow thinking.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
It's also against Western policy for China to dominate it's neighbours. Thus criticism of evil government actions can help to alienate the inheritors of Mao from increasing their regional imperialism.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
"against Western policy". China does not belong to the West, and it doesn't have western culture nor western policy.
if all the western policy believers didn't get involved into the whole situation in the first time, this thing wouldn't even be so controversial.
i never understood why would westerners press their belief onto other cultures.
musejoy 2 years ago
"i never understood why would westerners press their belief onto other cultures. "
read more comments here and eventually you will. why do you think the people who talk loudest about any chinese internal issue, are the same people who colonized nearly the entire planet?
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
haha. thanks for the insight.
musejoy 2 years ago
This is a hypocritical argument. It's not okay to deride the Westerners for colonization, then claim the Chinese colonization of Tibet. Chinese people are human, okay?
twocs 2 years ago
"read more comments here and eventually you will. why do you think the people who talk loudest about any chinese internal issue, are the same people who colonized nearly the entire planet?"
Please show the widespread Western Colonization that still exists. And you assume that it is an internal Chinese matter, there is a debate specifically because that issue is debatable.
I am glad people talk loudly against apologists for oppression like yourself and the brutality your kind excuses.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
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lordbossybum 2 years ago
We should definitely confront the Chinese over their bad actions.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
You forget that it's a strategic goal to limit Chinese empire-building, and rule by force. So why should you support violent acts by the Chinese authorities? Even if you don't know all the facts, you know enough to make a comment against the Chinese.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
"You forget that it's a strategic goal to limit Chinese empire-building, and rule by force. So why should you support violent acts by the Chinese authorities? Even if you don't know all the facts, you know enough to make a comment against the Chinese."
thank you. that is indeed the nature of any information from "free tibet".
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
"thank you. that is indeed the nature of any information from "free tibet"."
As I have said previously, all you have done is apologize for and excuse, what you have admitted are official, Chinese brutality and lies as a necessary means to an end.
China lies to protect their "harmonious society", why wouldn't you also?
When do you plan on providing evidence for your accusations about the entire "free tibet" movement? You know, something other than empty rhetoric and support for brutality.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
evidence, how about quoting one of your own, like I just did?
your arguments are getting lamer and lamer. as you must know, most of the world's 6 billion people aren't buying it. most importantly chinese people aren't buying it. every time you do what you do, you sow more distrust among chinese and wake us up to who is friend and foe. I'm done with repeating myself and talking to wood. wish you better luck with some future hobby of yours.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
"evidence, how about quoting one of your own, like I just did?"
What you made was a logically fallacious argument, it is called a "Hasty Generalization". Your sample was unrepresentative.
Here you make your stupid little "6 billion people" argument again as well. Something you were unable to defend earlier in these comments. Your arguments are filled with logical fallacies, lies and distortions.
But I am sure for you the ends justify the means, anything for the "Harmonious Society".
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
The thing is, we aren't shown what happened before the beatings. Remember good ole Rodney King? Everyone was screaming racism because we were only shown the beating and not what happened before the beating.
For all we know these people may have killed Chinese police or others.
They say Tendar was just trying to stop police, but that in itself is obstruction of justice. We are also not told HOW he attempted to stop police. For all we know he was throwing bricks at them.
XaviarCraig 2 years ago
That's why there are trials and laws, because we don't know. It's against the Chinese constitution to beat prisoners in custody. That's why millions of netizens are pissed, and now they're even MORE pissed since the River Crabs shut down YouTube in China.
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For all we know these people may have killed Chinese police or others.
SauIan 2 years ago
damn it nobody even realized how fake the wounds are?
musejoy 2 years ago
Why do you say that?
lordbossybum 2 years ago
it's sad to see everyone else in the world verbally attacking your own country btw. there are so many great things happening in china, if anyone would even put their mind to that.
musejoy 2 years ago
I don't think these violent acts are faked or made up. Maybe you should consider that is is really happening.
lordbossybum 2 years ago
there's no blood when peeling off the skin if you noticed.
i dont deny there may be violence of the Chinese government towards Tibet, although I am Chinese myself. but it's a result of resistance of the Tibetan authorization. Tibet still is and has been a special administrative region of China, just like Hong Kong or Macau. no one use violence for nothing. If, say, Florida decided to declare itself an independent country, would the US government just let it? I dont think so.
musejoy 2 years ago
When did the people of Tibet voluntarily decide to join China?
Your Florida comparison is weak, at best.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
when did people of texas voluntarily to join USA? oh yeah when the settlers you sent in there decided the land was theirs now, screw mexico.
at least in 1950 tibet was legally ours. we didn't have to fight some war with a poor neighbor over some manifest destiny.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
You speak like China has done no wrong in the past 50 years. In 1950, the legality of Tibet was not clear. Today governments agree with China, that Tibet is within its borders. But they don't agree that China has not committed genocide, mostly because China is afraid to let the news out. But the truth becomes revealed. Who worships the child eaters now?
twocs 2 years ago
which government or international organization has come even close to accusing china of genocide?
when I say "you people" I'm really talking about "you idiots" that no one recognizes or will support with real action. because reasonable people know all you have a bluster, you are useful for throwing out crap, but after you've been used up none of the international decision making elite want anything to do with you. I don't know why I even bother more time patting down skum.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
"when did people of texas voluntarily to join USA?"
Mexico only ruled Texas from 1821 to 1836, and that only started AFTER the Mexican War of Independence from Spain, a point which you conveniently chose to ignore. Mexico chose to violate their own 1824 Constitution and replace it with an anti-federalist constitution. The FREE people of Texas had no other choice but to revolt.
Your grasp of history is as pathetic as your support of Chinese State sanctioned brutality.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
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lordbossybum 2 years ago
Look at how China rules. China has been cruel since Mao was allowed to torture everyone. How can you allow this? Why should the world allow this to happen?
lordbossybum 2 years ago
The world needs to arrest and imprison those who do these crimes. The imperialist Chinese are the world enemy. Evil leaders should be put on trail for crimes against humanity. China should get it's ass kicked for this! Everyone should agree with this!
lordbossybum 2 years ago
yes, beating people in custody is illegal.
If they're already handcuffed, there's no need to beat them.
SauIan 2 years ago
this lordbossybum you have to combine several of his comments to see the amusement of it. "historic opportunity", "strategic goal", "ruled the world". hahaha..
I don't know why his being sore about british ash empire makes him come on youtube to dress his wounds.He tries to play some skilled manipulator of opinion but at least to intelligent people he's quite transparent. sorry chum you just don't live up to your victorian ancestors.india was always the caged bird that wanted to fly away.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
Resist the River Crabs!!!!!
SauIan 2 years ago
Wow, so many Wu Mao Dang here defending something a sick and disgusting as officials beating handcuffed prisoners.
Beating prisoners is against the Chinese constitution--that's why netizens are so pissed off.
SauIan 2 years ago
has anyone ever doubted the authoritativeness of this video? it appears to me that the contents of this video are so blurred, unclear, and generalised. Look at the truncheon held by the police officers, they are as soft as a string.
kennethchiang 2 years ago
Wow, kennethchiang, amazingly the phrase "soft as a string" was just posted on at least half of the 27 Tibetan beating videos.
You guys need to vary your cut-and-posts a little more, so it isn't so obvious you're a River Crab.
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kennethchiang (23 hours ago) Look at the truncheon held by the police officers, they are as soft as a string.
SauIan 2 years ago
sorry i dont get what a river crab is?
And I swear these words are my own words. Never copied from any sources. Being an Arts student, I know how serious plagiarism can be.
kennethchiang 2 years ago
i think the world is turning to be darker and darker in the future along with the rising power of china over the world...particularly the aftermath of the financial crisis happened in the west..The West can no longer challenge China..The communists can continusouly oppress the chinese living in china
wilsontsui03 2 years ago
I really wonder why the Dalai, if he really wants the best for the people of where he came from, does not drop his act and simply let it go?
It is not like the Chinese are mass killing tibetans, in fact they've made their life more rich by developing the area, bringing them out of poverty and into prosperity.
The conflict that is occurring today is blatantly all due to the resistance put up, and resistance is only strong due to religious nature combined with 'anti-chinese' supporter backing.
ronald0524 2 years ago
i agree with you.
musejoy 2 years ago
"I really wonder why the Dalai, if he really wants the best for the people of where he came from, does not drop his act and simply let it go?"
If you were really wondering anything you wouldn't have already made up your mind that the Dalai Lama is putting on an act. You wouldn't assume that the conflict is restricted to your uninformed reasons alone. You might bother to read up on, or acknowledge, the vast amount of information out there that doesn't agree with your preconceptions.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
For a child you got a lot to say teenwolftoo, all crap, but still a lot
ShoeProtestor 2 years ago
"For a child you got a lot to say teenwolftoo, all crap, but still a lot "
If it is all crap, I would think you would find it easier to factually rebut, or at the least, surpass with your as of yet unseen superior eloquence...
Your "child" insult is amusingly inane as well.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
No one in politics is genuine. You're too naive if you think so otherwise. It is all an act.
When the US befriends China for economic reasons, then piss them of for military reasons, that is a balancing act. When Obama puts on his weekly address that is an act in front of cameras. Get it?
ronald0524 2 years ago
your own words for you
"You might bother to read up on, or acknowledge, the vast amount of information out there that doesn't agree with your preconceptions."
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
I have read up on it. It is all that comes out of China. The Chinese State viewpoint is not the one being suppressed through State sanctioned censorship and brutal crackdowns on dissent.
But you support all of that to begin with. All for the great "Harmonious Society" for which you have excused and supported the lies and oppression of the PRC.
I support the free flow of information, you do not. What gall you have to flip my own words back on me concerning rational free self-education.
teenwolftoo 2 years ago
with regards to free flow of information, I'd like Obama to tell us how many estimated iraqis are dead and I'd like Bush to confirm it. I'd like information on the photographic state of iraqi children blown to bits. CNN give me this free information.
Or if that upsets you let Al Jazeera buy that cable spot they wanted, instead of shooing them away.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
free information. I'd like Dharamsala to come clean with how many of them owned slaves and who came in to burn their bondage papers. I'd like information on why Tibet being the world's like theocratic slave owning state, refused to follow through promised reforms. I need the information of the names and present where abouts of the people who obstructed this, and also give me a list of their descendents and current occupations and political pasttimes.
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
Yes I'm tired of CCP's lack of information on this. Free world please give it to me!
KirbyZhang 2 years ago
"free information. I'd like Dharamsala to come clean with how many of them owned slaves and who came in to burn their bondage papers."
And even if the information you demand fit the exact assumed portrayal you describe, then what? How does that in any way negate my comments about the free flow of information and your support for the PRC censorship and lies campaign currently taking place?
And what would you use this info for other than to provide a basis for further oppression.
teenwolftoo