slavomacedonians were only slavs = slaves, from Greek Sklabos, later latin Sclavus, later slave. Hence slavomacedonians = slave macedonians. they had nothing to do with Greek people. they just moved to a territory from the north. enjoy your stupid history stupid slaves. I am so enjoying this. BUHAHAHAHAHA
A letter from Athens to the Macedonians (not the greek ones) 1905 ΠΡΟΚΛΑΜΑΤΣΙΑ να Ελληνομακεντονσκη Κομιτέτ οτ' Ατηνα Ζα νάσητε μπράτε Μακεντότση. PROKLAMATSIA NA ELLINOMAKENTOSKI KOMITET OT ATINA ZA NASITE BRATE MAKENTONΤSI 100 years ago they saw us as brothers but the moment we dissagre with the greek myth we are nothing more but slavo-bulgarians How soon you forget... Колку брзо забораваат грците дека и самите не нарекуваа македонци, денешниот спор е само грчка глупавост
The Battle of Chaeronea (Greek: Μάχη της Χαιρώνειας) was fought in 338 BC, near the city of Chaeronea in Boeotia, between the forces of Philip II of Macedon and an alliance of Greek city-states (the principal members of which were Athens and Thebes). The battle was the culmination of Philip's campaign in Greece (339–338 BC) and resulted in a decisive victory for the Macedonians.
"I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond in an interview with the magazine “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999)
@GemistusPletho Hammond can "suggest" to influence the others to suggest about the destiny and the name of the Macedonians, that changes nothing. Except to understand the way how this idiot functioned mentally and how applied the Injustice and the Low use of History, nothig changes for us - on the contrary- we win, as he lost a lot of his reputation claiming glory for greece and desaster for Macedonia. WHO CARES TODAY ABOUT HAMMOND? NOBODY.He vanished as historian.Poor greece !
Who needs to depend on Hammond. Not a single third party historian on earth claims you are direct descendents of ancient Macedonians champ. Not one. The only thing you have going for you is others don't give a shit about names and can't be bothered to deal with the issue. No one believes your government's ridiculous crackpot historical claims.
@GemistusPletho Exactly, who needs to depend on Hammond.But to depend on the History facts and observations of Alex.the Great contemporaries, as well as of the artefacts,of the scientific genetic researches (Igenea),that's how the greeks should assent to our Macedonian history and genetic heritage.But you refuse,as History will turn against you, you'll have to give up of what you claim to be yours. Which is in fact occupied since 1913,and the native Macedonias were chased/killed
@GemistusPletho The only time macedonians took part in the greek-only olympic games was right after greece was conquered by phillip. For some reason greeks think of it as a war of unification. The only thing that was unified was Macedonian spears with greek faces
"Men of Athens... In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas (Greece); I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Greek-only Olympic games as a self-identifying Greek, Herodotus, Histories, 9.45, ed. A. D. Godley)
@GemistusPletho u serious? you dont even now your history but you talk of others.read more..Greece was made by europian countries artificial country...so yes word Greece or greek is first mentioned 1820s..you mad?
You just make up shit about Greeks just to cover up your own bulllshit. Greece was liberated in the 1820 buts refernces to Greece (and Greeks) exist long before that.
You are too funny. You call me "brainwashed" than evade black and white evidence of your own "Macedonian" national hero delchev referencing himself as a BULGARIAN.
@GemistusPletho where you read that greek book? again you prove me that you are brainwashed Delchev was macedonian and he was fighting for the macedonian people..ba dum tss
@GemistusPletho propaganda that qoute is We are Macedonians and we always work and will work for the unification of the Macedonian country. i can show you the book if you want...i dooubt you will understand it becase is on macedonian language
'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians? - Krste Misirkov
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
Nice try. I am providing verbattim quotes by your own ethnic BULGARIAN national heroes.You are just an evasion brainwashed ultra nationalist that ignores blatently obvious evidence of your heritage. EVERYONE knows ancient Macedonians weren't slavic. Only ultra nationalist idiots in FYROM believe that.
"Men of Athens... In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas (Greece); I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Greek-only Olympic games as a self-identifying Greek, Herodotus, Histories, 9.45, ed. A. D. Godley)
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia." - James R. Grossman
s"I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Nicholas Hammond
"In 1878 at the time of San Stefano, the population of Macedonia was about one million. Greeks inhabited most of the coastal districts, and there were many settlement of Vlachs, Serbs and Turks: but many of the Macedonian peasants of the interior classed themselves as Bulgars." - Balkan Background By Newman, Bernard, page 53
"And so the “Bulgarophone” villagers are no longer willing to admit they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as “Macedonian“. (Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp 205)
"It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is NO Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper " (Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5)
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size."
"Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
You are full of shit. You call any FACTS about FYROMs primarily BULGARIAN past "propaganda" or "spam". (including quotes by third parties historians and even your own national heroes). Its sad your prefer to live in ultra nationalist delusions than deal with reality. (much like Nazis)
You are welcome to look up my quotes. (which are all true) You won't though because you prefer to hide and hate Greeks for the lies of your own government.
@GemistusPletho hate? i hate no one just im just denying everything you say and those qoutes are bullshit and cant be written by us cuz i see lot of bulgarian enterfirence .. i have written some of those books(the real one) one of them is by Krste Misirkov (For Macedonian thing is called) and there is not one word that says he was bulgarian or some such thing so you can post as many as you want it will not make a difference
The quotes aren't "Bullshit". Look them up if you dont' believe me. I've provided sources. You just don't want to face facts about FYROM's Bulgarian past because you are an ultra natioanlist that hates Greeks.
Loring Danforth, an AMERICAN, is currently listed as a source on MHRMI website. Are you claiming FYROM's own alleged human rights organizations are part of the "Greek propaganda" too?
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians."
The fact remains ancient Macedonians SELF-iDNETIFIED with hellenism. No amount of recognition will ever change that fact or change the Greek writing on countless ancient Macedonian artifacts.
You former self0-identifying ethnic buglarian have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. All you are essentially doing is just substituting the word "Bulgarian" with "macedonian". In fact given ancient macedonians identified with hellenism... and you are anti-Hellenic... you are defacto anti-Macedonians.
For the grand-sons of Kurbag and Asparuh my grand-futher was kill 1943 in Macedonia from you... Do you think i`m bulgarian YOU MORRONS turko-tataro.mongols that what you are... Why you shy of it... Is ok weare all people, but too be slavjan you have to be born as one and you not and will never be... If you dont beleve look on DNK of Balkan and see also the picture of your Kurbag
@GemistusPletho It's spelled spelled not ''spell'' you moron. And i didnt say it changed im just saying that its not all Black and White like alot of people like to think. Also modern ''greeks'' never connected themselves to Byzantines or classical greeks before 1822, they were told so by foreign phillhellenes. Lord Gordon Byron an established Philhellen himself stated that the inhabitants of the greater region Macedonia were different from Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs.
This is the stupidest comment you made yet. the RUM millet it RUMELIA (Turkish for "Land of the Romans" was a reference to the Greek speaking Byzantines fool.
Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components—name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association—were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia. - Anthony D. Smith British Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity LSE, Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, Cambridge University Press.
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia." - James R. Grossman, University of Chicago
@GemistusPletho Edmond De Bushi Bill: ''It's obvious that the Macedonians are not Greeks'' "the population of Macedonia should be separate as a separate nation whose name would be shortened Macedonians." ''Ask a villager from Ile area, or from Bitola, how he feels, he will answer nine times out of ten: Macedonian!''
"But who are the Macedonians? You will find Bulgarians and Turks who call themselves Macedonians, you find Greek Macedonians, there are Servian Macedonians, and it is possible to find Roumanian Macedonians. You will not, however, find a single Christian Macedonian who is not a Servian, a Bulgarian, a Greek, or a Roumanian“ - Pictures From The Balkans” " Pg.5 by John Foster Fraser 1906),
"It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is NO Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper.." - Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5
@GemistusPletho A.D.Howden Smith: "There is NO Macedonian race as a distinct type, the Mac. may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or (!!)Western Asia (!!) Say to your illiterate friend Smith to prove a few things: How come "Igenea", the Swiss genetics laboratory PROVED on genetic serious researches, that there are 30% of our genes belonging to the Ancient Macedonians ? Can this man show THE HISTORICAL and the GENETICAL scientific facts and PROOFS for what he claims ?
@GemistusPletho What do we know about your friend AD Howden Smith ? Is he a reliable historian and scientists? Where from he collected those data? Has he overlooked the other truly proofs and historical facts about Macedonia, as they converged from his point of view? Surely he has. Evidently he's extremely stupid, ignorant , illiterate adventurer , as he identifies the Bulgars of Tataric origin and the Macedonians of AnicMacedonian/Slavic mix. Nothing to discuss about this scum
"This (US) Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece" - US State Department Dec, 1944 (Foreign Relations Vol. VIII Washington D.C. Circular Airgram - 868.014/26)
@GemistusPletho "US State Departement, Dec 1944 - to whom are you trying to throw shits into the eyes, bastard ? This is a statement dating from 1944, in the time of the Cold War, in the full anticomunist campaign, but which has nothing to do with the truly historical facts. Why you ommit the fact that "Washington Post" in 1947 published(+ photos) the article about the greeks Bombing the indigenous Aegean Macedonian Population with white phosphorus bombs.Remember your war crime
@GemistusPletho The only thugs were the ''Greek'' andari soldiers who burned down whole towns and killed innocent people for simply refusing to call themselves greek.They went from village to village saying(in ''greek'' macedonia) this is greece and only greeks can live here. People were beaten and imprisoned for speaking the only language they knew, Macedonian.
Dude, your whole "Macedonian" identity was created a combination of through brutal force and nationalist propaganda. You used to call yourselves Bulgarians.
And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We’re now writing our history. We can’t write that until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians. - Krste Crvenkovski (President of the Central Committee of the Union of Communists in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) to Todor Zhivkov (First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bulgaria) May 19 1967
You former BULGARIAN murdered Greeks during the Balkan wars, when IMRO leadership aligned with Axis, and during the Greek war when you switched sides with communists.
To this day, your former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians fascists are trying to commit subtle genocide against the Greek people by stealing our very identity.
Are you ashamed of your Bulgarian heritage? Why are you harassing Greeks for their identity? Is your hope the Greek writing on ancient Macedonian artifacts will one day disappear?
And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians? - Krste Misirkov
@GemistusPletho 1. In no way I am ashamed of something I am NOT.Evidently you are an illiterate person that knows little about the European History and ethnogenesis. The bulgars, the real ones (apart the SlavoMacedonians and TurkoThrakians) are of Tataro-Turkic and Mongol origin, and lived around Volga river(volgars-bulgars) They came on the Balkans in 7° century led by khan Asparukh.They spoke mongolian, not one Slavic word.Later accepted the Macedonian lang./Cyrillus and Met
@GemistusPletho ARE WE HARRASSING THE GREEKS? READ THIS [7] "On the Symmories, namely, that Demosthenes originally stood close to a group of politicians who were vigorously combating the radical democratic influence; indeed, it is only to this degree that he can be said to have come from any one party at all. It is true that in later years, when he is coming to grips with the danger of Macedonia's foreign yoke, he naturally appeals to the lofty ideal of Greek liberty." [p.93]
@GemistusPletho ARE WE HARRASSING GREEKS FOR THEIR "MACEDONIAN" IDENTITY ? READ THIS: [8] "It is not until Demosthenes is fighting the "tyranny" of the Macedonian conqueror that the idea of liberty takes on its true color for him and becomes significant as a great national good." [p.93]
- "Demonstenes's Philiphics " (speach against the" non hellenic Barbarian Macedonian enemy")
@GemistusPletho I am fullhearedly convinced that were it not for great leaders like Alexander III and Philip II greeks would have no interest in macedonia. And im still waiting for your response on the meaning of the word ''Bulgarian''. Or what? are all out of valid arguments (not that they were valid to begin with).
Are you deaf? Ancient macedonians SELF-IDENTIFIED as Greeks. What part of that don't you understand? (as witnesses in their participation in the GREEK-ONLY Olympic games).
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument” - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski,
Many people in the region identified as Macedonians but it was in religional not ethnic sense. Despite that Delchev, Misirkov, Gruev et al wanted to create a "Macedonian" state they are all on record referencing their ethnic Bulgarian roots.
@GemistusPletho a nice story. but completely wrong. in the ottoman empire bulgarian mean simple, slavic, hardworking peasant.All slavs were being viewed as bulgars/vulgars/bulgarians.
The Greeks did not distinguish between the slavic Nations and all the Slavic people, specially the part fo them, who were making trouble for them during the Turkish rule and were under their Jurisdiction (church), they were hating them and calling them with the name "Bulgarian" wich for tham was dispicable name.
They were calling us Risyani (Christians), and we approved: of course brother, we are Risyani, what else should we be! When they got angry at us, and they would call us stubborn Bulgarians: we would say: it is true, we are Risyani, but we are not that educated, as the greeks!Our heads do not understand; we are Bulgarians.Msirkov
Simple townsfolk=bulgarians. Oh and you said they called themselves bulgarians till 1944?/watch?v=ktUYnUHB3PY&feature=player_embedded
@GemistusPletho Book. When i was a boy in Greece by George Demetrios
''Being neither Turkish nor Greek, we called them Bulgarian, but their language is not Bulgarian, but the Macedonian dialect (of slavonic), and I found lovable people among them........ ''
@GemistusPletho 1845: Russian Chronicler Victor Grigorovich, who travelled among these "bulgarian" Macedonians, has the following to say -
''In all areas I visited, I have not heard other names but the names of Alexander the Great and King Marko. Both are alive in the memory of the people…Still, the memory of Alexander the Great is the more established in the people.''
@GemistusPletho 1852: Macedonian writer Jordan Dzinot identified as a 'Bulgarian'(a slav peasant) ''Emperor Justinian... and Emperor Basil the Macedon were Bulgarians''.9 century even then it had the meaning of ''slav''
Simeon Lehaci, Balkan Traveller of Armenian origin, 1608-1620.
''In Bosnia, everywhere there are also many Bulgarian monasteries .... In Bosnia, all the people speak in Bulgarian.'' Further proof that ''Bulgarian'' had neither a national nor ethnic
"Their (FYROM nationalists) kin-terms, household structures, marriage practices, and vernacular culture all closely resemble those of neighbouring groups. They are descended from people who were called, and at times called themselves, Serbs or Bulgarians” - Keith Brown, "The Past in Question: Modern Macedonia and the Uncertainties of a Nation", 2003, Princeton University Press, p.2
"Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and Macedonians, cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom...."
Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [.] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one. - Eugene N. Borza
@GemistusPletho And since you love to qoute Eugene Borza ''Neither Greeks nor Macedonians considered the Macedonians to be Greeks.'' So if the Ancient Macedonians were not greeks why do they take it upon themselves to tell us what to call ourselves. If we call ourselves ''Indians'' should the modern(non-native) americans fly into a rage?
@GemistusPletho And last but not least E.N. Borza "The tension at court between Greeks and Macedonians, tension that the ancient authors clearly recognized as ethnic division."
Borza is an idiot (and only amongst a tiny number of historians who claims ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks). He has some bizarre definition of Greekness where he doens't recognized the Greek self-identification of Macedonians (who competed for centuries as Greeks at Greek-only Olympics)
@GemistusPletho What do we know about your friend AD Howden Smith ? Is he a reliable historian and scientists? Where from he collected those data? Has he overlooked the other truly proofs and historical facts about Macedonia, as they converged from his point of view? Surely he has. Evidently he's extremely stupid, ignorant , illiterate adventurer , as he confuses the Bulgars of Tataric origin and the Macedonians of AnicMacedonian/Slavic mix. Nothing to discuss about this scum
In either case, Borza says only EXTREMIST FYROM nationalists claim to be related to anceint macedonians. He says you have NOTHING to do with ancient Macedonians.
Mate stop using Bulgarian propaganda u look stupid especially for someone like goce delcev, original is we and the Bulgarians not we Bulgarians.....i think u r one of us and we remind u that your ancestors sold their soul to the devil that's why u r so bitter and why u spend your time on you tube trying to convince your self that you are something else..... that's sad man really sad i feel for you....
After i have given u all the proof of Macedonian national straggle from the 18 century to present you are posting the same thing over again. typical Greek nonsense this is your only argument to repeat your self again and again in a hope that a lie repeated 100 times becomes the truth,aint going to work man live this song any way we don't go on your Greek songs to deny your shitty existence
I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond, “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999
"In 1878 at the time of San Stefano, the population of Macedonia was about one million. Greeks inhabited most of the coastal districts, and there were many settlement of Vlachs, Serbs and Turks: but many of the Macedonian peasants of the interior classed themselves as Bulgars." - Balkan Background By Newman, Bernard, page 53
"And so the “Bulgarophone” villagers are no longer willing to admit they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as “Macedonian“. (Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp 205)
It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is NO Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper.." - Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5
In the 1990s,Macedonians speak a language codified in 1946,spoken by less than two million people, and with a very slender literature. They are members of an Orthodox Church whose authority was established by a socialist political regime in 1968.They are heirs to a 1903 revolution that until the 1940s was described by almost all sources as being Bulgarian." - "The history of the Balkan Peninsula?" 1971 by Ferdinand Schevill page 432
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... " - Gotse Delchev, IMRO leader, Letter to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899
@GemistusPletho oo man u come here to tell me about us and bulgarian? WTF if we are the same with bulgarotatarians why Tatarians kill my grandfather in the world war II ?? why in the Bucharest agreement writes "Macedonia is divided into three OCCUPATION zones'' between Yunanistan, Tataristan and Servia ? And to remind you of a statement of Gotse Delchev ''While I'm alive Bulgarian leg will not take in Macedonia''...Come to Skopje,Ohrid, Bitola...and go in Sofia will see difference !
And I remind you of statements of Delchev.. the ones lying coward choose to hide from. BMARC (predecesor or IMRO) statutes written by Delchev (and Gruev et all)
Article 2. To achieve this goal they hall raise the awareness of self-defense in the Bulgarian population in the regions mentioned in Art. 1.
Article 3. A member of BMARC can be any Bulgarian, independent of gender
''Macedonia has its own politics and interests and they belong to all Macedonians. If one should work towards annexing Macedonia to Serbia Bulgaria or Greece, he can call himself a good Serb, Bulgarian or Greek, but not a good Macedonian.''
And Delchev said this is 1899. Did his Bulgarian ethic background magically change after it?
Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... " - Letter to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899
@GemistusPletho "Ослободувањето на Македонија се крие во внатрешното востание. Кој мисли инаку да се ослободи Македонија, тој се лаже и себеси и другите." ''The answer to freeing Macedonia lies in an internal revolt. If someone thinks he can free it any other way, he is lying to himself and the others'' to clarify internal = by the people living there (the macedonians)
other way = with foreign help bulgarian serb or otherwise
And what does your fringe quote prove? Its still a historical fact the majority of people in what is today FYROM self-identified as Bulgarian in the early 20th century.
"How can a Macedonian want anything other than liberty, where we can speak our Bulgarian language freely, celebrate our Bulgarian culture, and practice our christian faith in freedom." - Krste Misirkov
IMRO was secretly a Bulgarian organization (since at the time the great powers were philhellenic). Your plan dishonesty backfired on you though. You lost your very Bulgarian identity to your deceptions and hate.
Whats funny about the situation is by the fascist morons in FYROM (and its supporters) now claiming to be related to ancient Macedonians.... and anceint Macedonians self-identifying as Greeks.... FYROM nationalists are now essentially claiming to be Greek.
THE PEOPLE IN FYROM BELONG TO SLAVS AND ALSO FYROMIANS HAVE SLAV LITERATURE LIKE RUSSIAN ETC. SLAVS CAME IN EUROPE IN MIDDLE AGES AND BECAME CHRISTIANS. GREECE HAS ANCIENT CULTURE IN THE AREA OF MEDDITERANEAN SEA. FYROM IS NEWLY ESTABLISHED STATE.
ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ...ΜΗΝ ΑΣΧΟΛΕΙΣΤΕ ΜΕ ΑΥΤΑ ΤΑ ΠΑΡΑΣΙΤΑ..ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΝΑΞΙΟΙ ΛΟΓΟΥ..ΔΕΝ ΥΦΙΣΤΑΝΤΑΙ ΟΥΤΕ ΩΣ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ ΟΥΤΕ ΩΣ ΤΙΠΟΤΑ..ΡΕΤΑΛΙΑ ΣΤΟΙΒΑΓΜΕΝΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΜΕΡΙΚΑΝΟΥΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΣΕ ΜΙΑ ΣΛΑΒΟΑΛΒΑΝΙΚΗ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΜΟΝΟ ΚΑΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΔΗΜΙΟΥΡΓΟΥΝ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑΤΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΒΑΛΚΑΝΙΚΗ...ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΝΥΠΑΡΚΤΟΙ ...ΤΙΣ ΔΕ ΑΝΑΡΤΗΣΕΙΣ ΤΙΣ ΚΑΝΟΥΝ ΑΡΡΩΣΤΟΙ ΗΛΙΘΙΟΙ ΕΘΝΙΚΙΣΤΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΔΕΝ ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΥΝ ΚΑΝ ΣΤΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑ....ΑΝΑΡΩΤΙΕΜΑΙ ΑΝ ΕΝΑ ΣΚΥΛΙ ΣΑΣ ΓΑΥΓΙΖΕΙ ΠΙΣΩ ΑΠΟ ΜΙΑ ΜΑΝΤΡΑ ΘΑ ΔΙΝΑΤΕ ΣΗΜΑΣΙΑ?? ΕΤΣΙ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΚΙ ΑΥΤΟΙ ...ΚΟΥΡΔΙΣΜΕΝΑ ΣΚΥΛΑΚΙΑ ...
Pozdrav od 2013 Jas dojdov samo da vi kazham deka MAKEDONIJA E OBEDINETA POVTORNO !!
grchka vo bankrot otide taka da sea cela e nasha kako nekogash veke ne ja gazat govna i seljachishta, sega povtorno ja gazat MAKEDONCI ! MAKEDONIJA VECHNA ! <3 <3
a bre brat shto gi ebash ovie dushmanski pederi site znaaat deka makedonija e najstara drzava kade kralovite nashi ziveea i shetaa i pederive gi tolchkaa. bugaria grcija albania se samo nekolky godinje postari od kosovo . tie nemaat kyltura i azbuka. KIRIL I METODIA OD SOLUN MAKEDONSKI GRAD RODENI MY DADOA AZBYKA. DA SI ZDRAV I ZIV SUPER PESNICHE IMASH MAKEDONIJA SEKOGASH BILA I SEKOGASH KJE BIDE SO MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD. MAKEDONIA ZA MAKEDONCITE.
Nech žije SLOVANSKÁ VZÁJOMNOSŤ !!! Nech žije VEĽKÉ SLOVANSKÉ MACEDÓNSKO !!!
Nech žijú v mieri všetci bratia slovanský a hlavne nech večne kvitne VEĽKÁ LIPA SLOVANSKÁ - symbol našej jednoty, dravej sťa sila mocného sokola !!! Sláva, Sláva, Sláva !!!
,, VIVAT MAGNA SLÁVIA !!! Hurááá, Hurááá, Hurááá !!!
Živió, Živió, Živió, mnoga lieta, mnoga lieta, mnoga lieta ŽIVIÓ, ŽIVIÓ, ŽIVIOOÓ !!!
Obviously you have a poor grip on reality, the Kingdom of Μακεδονία , Provincia Macedoniae (Επαρχία Μακεδονίας),Dioecesis Macedoniae (Διοίκησις Μακεδονίας), Theme of Macedonia (θέμα Μακεδονίας) the Modern Macedonia (region), and the modern Μακεδονία in Greece and FYR Republika Makedonija (Република Македонија), are 7 completely different things.
Море да ви ебам се Македонија е историска земја и освоена и проширена од нашиот херој "Александар 3 Македонски" бранета од нашиот јунак "Гоце Делчев" Македонија е слободна и зависна држава не е Грчка ниту Бугарија но запамтете едно Македонија била најголема држава и предадена од свотие соседни земји (Грција,Бугарија,Албанија и Србија) и ке им се одмазди на сите но најважно е дека Македонија е ВЕЧНА држава!!!ЗАПАМЕТЕ ГО ТОА!!!
@popchee123 SKOPIANS THIEVES OF GREEK HISTORY STOP USE THE NAME OF MACEDONIA THIS NAME BELONG TO GREECE YOU ARE A NATION OF SLAVS DO NOT FORGET THIS
@popchee123 SKOPIANS THIEVES OF GREEK HISTORY STOP USE THE NAME OF MACEDONIA THIS NAME BELONG TO GREECE YOU ARE A NATION OF SLAVS DO NOT FORGET THIS
@GemistusPletho quoting everyone who works for a interests of bulgaria serbia or greece+gaylada is good bulgarian serb or gay but niot MACEDONIAN check that on ur fucking records u gay cunt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I quote your own elected leaders but if you don't like that how about your national hero Kirste Misirkov?
"'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?:
What's hilarious is you dumbasses (and your Greek hating apologists) don't realize by claiming to be related to ancient Macedonians you are claimed to Greeks. Go find your own identity you lying POS.
@GemistusPletho Wait a minute what u people are saying that up to 1945 we were Bulgarians and then somebody came and told us that we are actually Macedonians and we believed him and in a matter of few years we all become something else…..How stupid u have to be to actually believe in something like this…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
Ok for argument sake and to simplify things for you let say u are Greek and I told u nooo u a an arab (which really u are)and u and all of your country man will believe me and u forget of your Greeknes and become Arab’s ,u really think that’s possible……
“The first objection — that a Macedonian Slav nationality has never existed — may be very simply answered as follows: what has not existed in the past may still be brought into existence later, provided that the appropriate historical circumstances arise.”
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness”
@GemistusPletho Wait a minute what u people are saying that up to 1945 we were Bulgarians and then somebody came and told us that we are actually Macedonians and we believed him and in a matter of few years we all become something else…..How stupid u have to be to actually believe in something like this…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
Ok for argument sake and to simplify things for you let say u are Greek and I told u nooo u a an arab (which really u are)and u and all of your country man will believe me and u forget of your Greeknes and become Arab’s ,u really think that’s possible……
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slavomacedonians were only slavs = slaves, from Greek Sklabos, later latin Sclavus, later slave. Hence slavomacedonians = slave macedonians. they had nothing to do with Greek people. they just moved to a territory from the north. enjoy your stupid history stupid slaves. I am so enjoying this. BUHAHAHAHAHA
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ThePRitender 1 week ago
notice that it is written in the greek alphabet, but the macedonian language.
ThePRitender 1 week ago
ThePRitender 1 week ago
Македонија на Македонците!!!!!
borcemkd1 2 weeks ago
The Battle of Chaeronea (Greek: Μάχη της Χαιρώνειας) was fought in 338 BC, near the city of Chaeronea in Boeotia, between the forces of Philip II of Macedon and an alliance of Greek city-states (the principal members of which were Athens and Thebes). The battle was the culmination of Philip's campaign in Greece (339–338 BC) and resulted in a decisive victory for the Macedonians.
klipmkd 2 weeks ago
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EGEJ PIRIN VARDAR = UNITED MACEDONIA!!!!
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klipmkd 2 weeks ago
"I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond in an interview with the magazine “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999)
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho Hammond can "suggest" to influence the others to suggest about the destiny and the name of the Macedonians, that changes nothing. Except to understand the way how this idiot functioned mentally and how applied the Injustice and the Low use of History, nothig changes for us - on the contrary- we win, as he lost a lot of his reputation claiming glory for greece and desaster for Macedonia. WHO CARES TODAY ABOUT HAMMOND? NOBODY.He vanished as historian.Poor greece !
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@makedonijaljubovmoja
Who needs to depend on Hammond. Not a single third party historian on earth claims you are direct descendents of ancient Macedonians champ. Not one. The only thing you have going for you is others don't give a shit about names and can't be bothered to deal with the issue. No one believes your government's ridiculous crackpot historical claims.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho Exactly, who needs to depend on Hammond.But to depend on the History facts and observations of Alex.the Great contemporaries, as well as of the artefacts,of the scientific genetic researches (Igenea),that's how the greeks should assent to our Macedonian history and genetic heritage.But you refuse,as History will turn against you, you'll have to give up of what you claim to be yours. Which is in fact occupied since 1913,and the native Macedonias were chased/killed
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho The only time macedonians took part in the greek-only olympic games was right after greece was conquered by phillip. For some reason greeks think of it as a war of unification. The only thing that was unified was Macedonian spears with greek faces
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
You just make up shit as you go along. Alexanders great, great great grandfather competed as a self-identifying Greek at the Greek only Olympics.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
"Men of Athens... In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas (Greece); I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Greek-only Olympic games as a self-identifying Greek, Herodotus, Histories, 9.45, ed. A. D. Godley)
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho word Greece or greek is after 1820 and you say that is in ancients books... branless greek
undermyrules 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
So what. Your country only first became independent in 1991! Does this mean you didn't exist before 1991?
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho u serious? you dont even now your history but you talk of others.read more..Greece was made by europian countries artificial country...so yes word Greece or greek is first mentioned 1820s..you mad?
undermyrules 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
You just make up shit about Greeks just to cover up your own bulllshit. Greece was liberated in the 1820 buts refernces to Greece (and Greeks) exist long before that.
e.g.
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho made up? haha.... 1 word...brainwashed
undermyrules 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
You are too funny. You call me "brainwashed" than evade black and white evidence of your own "Macedonian" national hero delchev referencing himself as a BULGARIAN.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho where you read that greek book? again you prove me that you are brainwashed Delchev was macedonian and he was fighting for the macedonian people..ba dum tss
undermyrules 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
We are Bulgarians and we always work and will work for the unification of the Bulgariandom.” -Dame Gruev
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
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@GemistusPletho propaganda that qoute is We are Macedonians and we always work and will work for the unification of the Macedonian country. i can show you the book if you want...i dooubt you will understand it becase is on macedonian language
undermyrules 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians? - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho again propaganda you are wasting my time dear friend troll elseware
undermyrules 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
Nice try. I am providing verbattim quotes by your own ethnic BULGARIAN national heroes.You are just an evasion brainwashed ultra nationalist that ignores blatently obvious evidence of your heritage. EVERYONE knows ancient Macedonians weren't slavic. Only ultra nationalist idiots in FYROM believe that.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
"Men of Athens... In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas (Greece); I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Greek-only Olympic games as a self-identifying Greek, Herodotus, Histories, 9.45, ed. A. D. Godley)
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho acording to who? greek historian? bitch please
undermyrules 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
Sure buddy. Only Greek historians say it.
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia." - James R. Grossman
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
s"I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Nicholas Hammond
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
"In 1878 at the time of San Stefano, the population of Macedonia was about one million. Greeks inhabited most of the coastal districts, and there were many settlement of Vlachs, Serbs and Turks: but many of the Macedonian peasants of the interior classed themselves as Bulgars." - Balkan Background By Newman, Bernard, page 53
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
"The origin of the Macedonian dispute the south-east half of Slav Macedonia where the population was most nearly Bulgarian"
The New Macedonian Question, James Pettifer, page 12
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
"And so the “Bulgarophone” villagers are no longer willing to admit they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as “Macedonian“. (Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp 205)
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
"It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is NO Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper " (Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5)
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size."
"Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
You clearly prefer to live in nationalist fantasies like a Nazi. Good look with your delusions.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho stop spam..thanks in advance...isnt gonna made any difference if you post bullshit.
undermyrules 1 week ago
@undermyrules
You are full of shit. You call any FACTS about FYROMs primarily BULGARIAN past "propaganda" or "spam". (including quotes by third parties historians and even your own national heroes). Its sad your prefer to live in ultra nationalist delusions than deal with reality. (much like Nazis)
GemistusPletho 1 week ago
@GemistusPletho thats beacause you dont now shit...its all made up ..now stop spaming and get lost
undermyrules 1 week ago
@undermyrules
You are welcome to look up my quotes. (which are all true) You won't though because you prefer to hide and hate Greeks for the lies of your own government.
GemistusPletho 1 week ago
@GemistusPletho hate? i hate no one just im just denying everything you say and those qoutes are bullshit and cant be written by us cuz i see lot of bulgarian enterfirence .. i have written some of those books(the real one) one of them is by Krste Misirkov (For Macedonian thing is called) and there is not one word that says he was bulgarian or some such thing so you can post as many as you want it will not make a difference
undermyrules 1 week ago
@undermyrules
The quotes aren't "Bullshit". Look them up if you dont' believe me. I've provided sources. You just don't want to face facts about FYROM's Bulgarian past because you are an ultra natioanlist that hates Greeks.
GemistusPletho 1 week ago
@GemistusPletho That its bulgarian sources...that sources you say cant be legit or true..
undermyrules 1 week ago
@undermyrules
Loring Danforth, an AMERICAN, is currently listed as a source on MHRMI website. Are you claiming FYROM's own alleged human rights organizations are part of the "Greek propaganda" too?
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians."
GemistusPletho 1 week ago
@undermyrules
Question. Did ancient Macedonians communicate...
a. telepathically in the Bulgarian dialect the communists renamed "Macedonian"?
b. In Greek?
GemistusPletho 1 week ago
@undermyrules
And yes... the fact remains that ancient Macedonians SELF-IDENTIFIED as Hellenes.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
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@undermyrules
Why is it fanatics like you never mention your Bulgarian part of your history?
"We are Bulgarians" (IMRO leader Gotse Delchev in his own handwriting)
tinyurl(dot)com/2vsvo3f
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@undermyrules
The fact remains ancient Macedonians SELF-iDNETIFIED with hellenism. No amount of recognition will ever change that fact or change the Greek writing on countless ancient Macedonian artifacts.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
You former self0-identifying ethnic buglarian have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. All you are essentially doing is just substituting the word "Bulgarian" with "macedonian". In fact given ancient macedonians identified with hellenism... and you are anti-Hellenic... you are defacto anti-Macedonians.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
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SKOPIANS MONKEYS EAT YOUR BANANAS AND LET THE NAME OF MACEDONIA.
THE NAME OF MACEDONIA BELONG TO GREECE GET LOST FROM HERE ASSHOLES
aenaosdorieas 2 weeks ago
For the grand-sons of Kurbag and Asparuh my grand-futher was kill 1943 in Macedonia from you... Do you think i`m bulgarian YOU MORRONS turko-tataro.mongols that what you are... Why you shy of it... Is ok weare all people, but too be slavjan you have to be born as one and you not and will never be... If you dont beleve look on DNK of Balkan and see also the picture of your Kurbag
armageddon788 3 weeks ago
@armageddon788
It's spell MORON not "MORRON" you MORON.
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho It's spelled spelled not ''spell'' you moron. And i didnt say it changed im just saying that its not all Black and White like alot of people like to think. Also modern ''greeks'' never connected themselves to Byzantines or classical greeks before 1822, they were told so by foreign phillhellenes. Lord Gordon Byron an established Philhellen himself stated that the inhabitants of the greater region Macedonia were different from Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs.
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Bullshit. Philhellenes fought to liberate Greece because they saw us connected to ancient Greeks (as did we).
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
You modern BULGARIANS never considered yourselves "ethnic Macedonians' until the modern era.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Imaginary Greeks
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/El_Greco
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Gerasimos_Vlachos
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Ioannis_Kottounios
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/John_Servopoulos
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
This is the stupidest comment you made yet. the RUM millet it RUMELIA (Turkish for "Land of the Romans" was a reference to the Greek speaking Byzantines fool.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components—name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association—were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia. - Anthony D. Smith British Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity LSE, Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, Cambridge University Press.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@armageddon788
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia." - James R. Grossman, University of Chicago
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho Edmond De Bushi Bill: ''It's obvious that the Macedonians are not Greeks'' "the population of Macedonia should be separate as a separate nation whose name would be shortened Macedonians." ''Ask a villager from Ile area, or from Bitola, how he feels, he will answer nine times out of ten: Macedonian!''
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Half truths....
"But who are the Macedonians? You will find Bulgarians and Turks who call themselves Macedonians, you find Greek Macedonians, there are Servian Macedonians, and it is possible to find Roumanian Macedonians. You will not, however, find a single Christian Macedonian who is not a Servian, a Bulgarian, a Greek, or a Roumanian“ - Pictures From The Balkans” " Pg.5 by John Foster Fraser 1906),
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
"It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is NO Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper.." - Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho A.D.Howden Smith: "There is NO Macedonian race as a distinct type, the Mac. may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or (!!)Western Asia (!!) Say to your illiterate friend Smith to prove a few things: How come "Igenea", the Swiss genetics laboratory PROVED on genetic serious researches, that there are 30% of our genes belonging to the Ancient Macedonians ? Can this man show THE HISTORICAL and the GENETICAL scientific facts and PROOFS for what he claims ?
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho What do we know about your friend AD Howden Smith ? Is he a reliable historian and scientists? Where from he collected those data? Has he overlooked the other truly proofs and historical facts about Macedonia, as they converged from his point of view? Surely he has. Evidently he's extremely stupid, ignorant , illiterate adventurer , as he identifies the Bulgars of Tataric origin and the Macedonians of AnicMacedonian/Slavic mix. Nothing to discuss about this scum
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
"This (US) Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece" - US State Department Dec, 1944 (Foreign Relations Vol. VIII Washington D.C. Circular Airgram - 868.014/26)
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho "US State Departement, Dec 1944 - to whom are you trying to throw shits into the eyes, bastard ? This is a statement dating from 1944, in the time of the Cold War, in the full anticomunist campaign, but which has nothing to do with the truly historical facts. Why you ommit the fact that "Washington Post" in 1947 published(+ photos) the article about the greeks Bombing the indigenous Aegean Macedonian Population with white phosphorus bombs.Remember your war crime
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@makedonijaljubovmoja
LMAO. The US government SUPPLIED GREEKS THE WEAPONS to expell IMRO communist thugs from the indigenous homeland of Greeks asshole.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho The only thugs were the ''Greek'' andari soldiers who burned down whole towns and killed innocent people for simply refusing to call themselves greek.They went from village to village saying(in ''greek'' macedonia) this is greece and only greeks can live here. People were beaten and imprisoned for speaking the only language they knew, Macedonian.
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Dude, your whole "Macedonian" identity was created a combination of through brutal force and nationalist propaganda. You used to call yourselves Bulgarians.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
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@ThePRitender
And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We’re now writing our history. We can’t write that until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians. - Krste Crvenkovski (President of the Central Committee of the Union of Communists in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) to Todor Zhivkov (First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bulgaria) May 19 1967
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
You former BULGARIAN murdered Greeks during the Balkan wars, when IMRO leadership aligned with Axis, and during the Greek war when you switched sides with communists.
To this day, your former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians fascists are trying to commit subtle genocide against the Greek people by stealing our very identity.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@Bulgarianjubovmoja
Are you ashamed of your Bulgarian heritage? Why are you harassing Greeks for their identity? Is your hope the Greek writing on ancient Macedonian artifacts will one day disappear?
And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians? - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho 1. In no way I am ashamed of something I am NOT.Evidently you are an illiterate person that knows little about the European History and ethnogenesis. The bulgars, the real ones (apart the SlavoMacedonians and TurkoThrakians) are of Tataro-Turkic and Mongol origin, and lived around Volga river(volgars-bulgars) They came on the Balkans in 7° century led by khan Asparukh.They spoke mongolian, not one Slavic word.Later accepted the Macedonian lang./Cyrillus and Met
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho ARE WE HARRASSING THE GREEKS? READ THIS [7] "On the Symmories, namely, that Demosthenes originally stood close to a group of politicians who were vigorously combating the radical democratic influence; indeed, it is only to this degree that he can be said to have come from any one party at all. It is true that in later years, when he is coming to grips with the danger of Macedonia's foreign yoke, he naturally appeals to the lofty ideal of Greek liberty." [p.93]
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho ARE WE HARRASSING GREEKS FOR THEIR "MACEDONIAN" IDENTITY ? READ THIS: [8] "It is not until Demosthenes is fighting the "tyranny" of the Macedonian conqueror that the idea of liberty takes on its true color for him and becomes significant as a great national good." [p.93]
- "Demonstenes's Philiphics " (speach against the" non hellenic Barbarian Macedonian enemy")
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho I am fullhearedly convinced that were it not for great leaders like Alexander III and Philip II greeks would have no interest in macedonia. And im still waiting for your response on the meaning of the word ''Bulgarian''. Or what? are all out of valid arguments (not that they were valid to begin with).
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Are you deaf? Ancient macedonians SELF-IDENTIFIED as Greeks. What part of that don't you understand? (as witnesses in their participation in the GREEK-ONLY Olympic games).
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Playing stupid and pretending to not know about FYROM's primarily ethnic Bulgarian past only shows you are a nationalist fanatic.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
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@ThePRitender
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument” - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski,
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Many people in the region identified as Macedonians but it was in religional not ethnic sense. Despite that Delchev, Misirkov, Gruev et al wanted to create a "Macedonian" state they are all on record referencing their ethnic Bulgarian roots.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho a nice story. but completely wrong. in the ottoman empire bulgarian mean simple, slavic, hardworking peasant.All slavs were being viewed as bulgars/vulgars/bulgarians.
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho
The Greeks did not distinguish between the slavic Nations and all the Slavic people, specially the part fo them, who were making trouble for them during the Turkish rule and were under their Jurisdiction (church), they were hating them and calling them with the name "Bulgarian" wich for tham was dispicable name.
K.P Misirkov
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho
They were calling us Risyani (Christians), and we approved: of course brother, we are Risyani, what else should we be! When they got angry at us, and they would call us stubborn Bulgarians: we would say: it is true, we are Risyani, but we are not that educated, as the greeks!Our heads do not understand; we are Bulgarians.Msirkov
Simple townsfolk=bulgarians. Oh and you said they called themselves bulgarians till 1944?/watch?v=ktUYnUHB3PY&feature=player_embedded
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho Book. When i was a boy in Greece by George Demetrios
''Being neither Turkish nor Greek, we called them Bulgarian, but their language is not Bulgarian, but the Macedonian dialect (of slavonic), and I found lovable people among them........ ''
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho 1845: Russian Chronicler Victor Grigorovich, who travelled among these "bulgarian" Macedonians, has the following to say -
''In all areas I visited, I have not heard other names but the names of Alexander the Great and King Marko. Both are alive in the memory of the people…Still, the memory of Alexander the Great is the more established in the people.''
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho 1852: Macedonian writer Jordan Dzinot identified as a 'Bulgarian'(a slav peasant) ''Emperor Justinian... and Emperor Basil the Macedon were Bulgarians''.9 century even then it had the meaning of ''slav''
Simeon Lehaci, Balkan Traveller of Armenian origin, 1608-1620.
''In Bosnia, everywhere there are also many Bulgarian monasteries .... In Bosnia, all the people speak in Bulgarian.'' Further proof that ''Bulgarian'' had neither a national nor ethnic
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho 1903: Nikola Karev during an interview for a Greek paper, is clear about what the ancient Macedonians meant to him
N-Karev:I am Macedonian
Greek Interviewer:direct descendant to Alexander the Great?
N-Karev:Yes
SO NO REGIONAL CONOTATION BUT AN ETHNIC ONE AND FEELING OF ANCESTRY
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
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@ThePRitender
"Their (FYROM nationalists) kin-terms, household structures, marriage practices, and vernacular culture all closely resemble those of neighbouring groups. They are descended from people who were called, and at times called themselves, Serbs or Bulgarians” - Keith Brown, "The Past in Question: Modern Macedonia and the Uncertainties of a Nation", 2003, Princeton University Press, p.2
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@armageddon788
"Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and Macedonians, cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom...."
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [.] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one. - Eugene N. Borza
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho And since you love to qoute Eugene Borza ''Neither Greeks nor Macedonians considered the Macedonians to be Greeks.'' So if the Ancient Macedonians were not greeks why do they take it upon themselves to tell us what to call ourselves. If we call ourselves ''Indians'' should the modern(non-native) americans fly into a rage?
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho And last but not least E.N. Borza "The tension at court between Greeks and Macedonians, tension that the ancient authors clearly recognized as ethnic division."
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Borza is an idiot (and only amongst a tiny number of historians who claims ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks). He has some bizarre definition of Greekness where he doens't recognized the Greek self-identification of Macedonians (who competed for centuries as Greeks at Greek-only Olympics)
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho So when he agrees with your statement he is a brilliant genious but the moment he dissagrees he is a retarded moron.
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
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@GemistusPletho What do we know about your friend AD Howden Smith ? Is he a reliable historian and scientists? Where from he collected those data? Has he overlooked the other truly proofs and historical facts about Macedonia, as they converged from his point of view? Surely he has. Evidently he's extremely stupid, ignorant , illiterate adventurer , as he confuses the Bulgars of Tataric origin and the Macedonians of AnicMacedonian/Slavic mix. Nothing to discuss about this scum
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@makedonijaljubovmoja "confuses" not "identifies"
makedonijaljubovmoja 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
In either case, Borza says only EXTREMIST FYROM nationalists claim to be related to anceint macedonians. He says you have NOTHING to do with ancient Macedonians.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
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osicka9 3 weeks ago
Mate stop using Bulgarian propaganda u look stupid especially for someone like goce delcev, original is we and the Bulgarians not we Bulgarians.....i think u r one of us and we remind u that your ancestors sold their soul to the devil that's why u r so bitter and why u spend your time on you tube trying to convince your self that you are something else..... that's sad man really sad i feel for you....
ifadm24 3 weeks ago
The former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia are fascist identity thieves.
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
After i have given u all the proof of Macedonian national straggle from the 18 century to present you are posting the same thing over again. typical Greek nonsense this is your only argument to repeat your self again and again in a hope that a lie repeated 100 times becomes the truth,aint going to work man live this song any way we don't go on your Greek songs to deny your shitty existence
ifadm24 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
All you have done is evade black and white evidence of FYROM's primarily ethnic Bulgarian heritage. Are you ashamed of your Bulgarian ancestors?
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond, “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
"In 1878 at the time of San Stefano, the population of Macedonia was about one million. Greeks inhabited most of the coastal districts, and there were many settlement of Vlachs, Serbs and Turks: but many of the Macedonian peasants of the interior classed themselves as Bulgars." - Balkan Background By Newman, Bernard, page 53
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
"And so the “Bulgarophone” villagers are no longer willing to admit they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as “Macedonian“. (Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp 205)
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is NO Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper.." - Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
In the 1990s,Macedonians speak a language codified in 1946,spoken by less than two million people, and with a very slender literature. They are members of an Orthodox Church whose authority was established by a socialist political regime in 1968.They are heirs to a 1903 revolution that until the 1940s was described by almost all sources as being Bulgarian." - "The history of the Balkan Peninsula?" 1971 by Ferdinand Schevill page 432
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
We are Bulgarians and we always work and will work for the unification of the Bulgariandom.” -Dame Gruev
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@ifadm24
Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... " - Gotse Delchev, IMRO leader, Letter to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho oo man u come here to tell me about us and bulgarian? WTF if we are the same with bulgarotatarians why Tatarians kill my grandfather in the world war II ?? why in the Bucharest agreement writes "Macedonia is divided into three OCCUPATION zones'' between Yunanistan, Tataristan and Servia ? And to remind you of a statement of Gotse Delchev ''While I'm alive Bulgarian leg will not take in Macedonia''...Come to Skopje,Ohrid, Bitola...and go in Sofia will see difference !
Heisenberg0o0o0o 3 weeks ago
@Heisenberg0o0o0o
And I remind you of statements of Delchev.. the ones lying coward choose to hide from. BMARC (predecesor or IMRO) statutes written by Delchev (and Gruev et all)
Article 2. To achieve this goal they hall raise the awareness of self-defense in the Bulgarian population in the regions mentioned in Art. 1.
Article 3. A member of BMARC can be any Bulgarian, independent of gender
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Internal_Macedonian_Revolutionary_Organization
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho Gotse Delchev in a speech 1902
''Macedonia has its own politics and interests and they belong to all Macedonians. If one should work towards annexing Macedonia to Serbia Bulgaria or Greece, he can call himself a good Serb, Bulgarian or Greek, but not a good Macedonian.''
ThePRitender 3 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
And Delchev said this is 1899. Did his Bulgarian ethic background magically change after it?
Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... " - Letter to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
@GemistusPletho "Ослободувањето на Македонија се крие во внатрешното востание. Кој мисли инаку да се ослободи Македонија, тој се лаже и себеси и другите." ''The answer to freeing Macedonia lies in an internal revolt. If someone thinks he can free it any other way, he is lying to himself and the others'' to clarify internal = by the people living there (the macedonians)
other way = with foreign help bulgarian serb or otherwise
October 17 1895.
ThePRitender 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
And what does your fringe quote prove? Its still a historical fact the majority of people in what is today FYROM self-identified as Bulgarian in the early 20th century.
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
Why is it you never mention quotes like this ethnic-Bulgarian-in-denial? (Krste Misirkov)
"We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."
"Macedonians means only Macedonian Bulgarians"
“Some will ask why I speak of breaking away from the Bulgarians when in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians ”
“We did indeed call ourselves “Bulgarians” and “Christians” in the national sense”
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness”
"The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian."
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
"How can a Macedonian want anything other than liberty, where we can speak our Bulgarian language freely, celebrate our Bulgarian culture, and practice our christian faith in freedom." - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 2 weeks ago
@ThePRitender
IMRO was secretly a Bulgarian organization (since at the time the great powers were philhellenic). Your plan dishonesty backfired on you though. You lost your very Bulgarian identity to your deceptions and hate.
Whats funny about the situation is by the fascist morons in FYROM (and its supporters) now claiming to be related to ancient Macedonians.... and anceint Macedonians self-identifying as Greeks.... FYROM nationalists are now essentially claiming to be Greek.
GemistusPletho 3 weeks ago
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SKOPIANS THIEVES OF GREEK HISTORY STOP USE THE NAME OF MACEDONIA THIS NAME BELONG TO GREECE YOU ARE A NATION OF SLAVS DO NOT FORGET THIS
DORIEASAENAOS 3 weeks ago
Ние сме българи, чеда сме на лазо, миайло, грую!
misswtfable 3 weeks ago
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SKOPIA VARDASKA NO MAKEDONIA BASTARD MAKEDONIA IS GREEK GAMIOLIA GAMW TIN MANA SAS(SKOPIA FYROM VARDASKA POUTANES)MY VILAGE PELLA GREECE.ELLAS ELLAS ELLAS.OYK OYK OYK
mrkwnstantinoupoli 3 weeks ago
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THE PEOPLE IN FYROM BELONG TO SLAVS AND ALSO FYROMIANS HAVE SLAV LITERATURE LIKE RUSSIAN ETC. SLAVS CAME IN EUROPE IN MIDDLE AGES AND BECAME CHRISTIANS. GREECE HAS ANCIENT CULTURE IN THE AREA OF MEDDITERANEAN SEA. FYROM IS NEWLY ESTABLISHED STATE.
marios936 3 weeks ago
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@MsSarahSweety τσι μαμάδες θα πάρει. fuckk δεν macedonian υπάρχουν hocker
μαλακας μαλακας μαλακας μαλακας
arlind1ful 19 minutes ago
τσι μαμάδες θα πάρει. fuckk δεν macedonian υπάρχουν hocker
arlind1ful 3 weeks ago
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SKOPIANS THIEVES OF GREEK HISTORY STOP USE THE NAME OF MACEDONIA THIS NAME BELONG TO GREECE YOU ARE A NATION OF SLAVS DO NOT FORGET THIS
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Polytonos 4 weeks ago
makedonija slovenija :28:27 toooooooooo makedonijooooooooooooooooo
TheVik01992 1 month ago
Pozdrav od 2013 Jas dojdov samo da vi kazham deka MAKEDONIJA E OBEDINETA POVTORNO !!
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kike11247 1 month ago
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TheMacedonian2012 1 month ago
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jovo68 1 month ago
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Now some real history. Oxford University is speaking:
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PneymaAntilogias 4 months ago
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Pravoslav8 5 months ago
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Obviously you have a poor grip on reality, the Kingdom of Μακεδονία , Provincia Macedoniae (Επαρχία Μακεδονίας),Dioecesis Macedoniae (Διοίκησις Μακεδονίας), Theme of Macedonia (θέμα Μακεδονίας) the Modern Macedonia (region), and the modern Μακεδονία in Greece and FYR Republika Makedonija (Република Македонија), are 7 completely different things.
Would you like me to explain small children?
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
НААА САПУН ОТВРАТИТЕЛНООООО! Ми го ядете!
MrPuber123 8 months ago
И не се замислувајте толко Македонија е слободна и не на никога другога и никад нема да биде!
popchee123 9 months ago
Море да ви ебам се Македонија е историска земја и освоена и проширена од нашиот херој "Александар 3 Македонски" бранета од нашиот јунак "Гоце Делчев" Македонија е слободна и зависна држава не е Грчка ниту Бугарија но запамтете едно Македонија била најголема држава и предадена од свотие соседни земји (Грција,Бугарија,Албанија и Србија) и ке им се одмазди на сите но најважно е дека Македонија е ВЕЧНА држава!!!ЗАПАМЕТЕ ГО ТОА!!!
popchee123 9 months ago 28
@popchee123 ТО ЅВЕРУ!
MegaLayla3 5 months ago
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@popchee123 SKOPIANS STOP USE THE NAME OF MACEDONIA THIS NAME BELONG TO GREECE YOU ARE SLAVS DONT FORGET THIS
aenaosdorieas 1 month ago
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@popchee123 SKOPIANS THIEVES OF GREEK HISTORY STOP USE THE NAME OF MACEDONIA THIS NAME BELONG TO GREECE YOU ARE A NATION OF SLAVS DO NOT FORGET THIS
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@popchee123 SKOPIANS THIEVES OF GREEK HISTORY STOP USE THE NAME OF MACEDONIA THIS NAME BELONG TO GREECE YOU ARE A NATION OF SLAVS DO NOT FORGET THIS
aenaosdorieas 1 month ago
19th century "Macedonian" national hero Krste Misirkov:
"Macedonians means only Macedonian Bulgarians"
“The ONLY Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.”
"We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian." -
GemistusPletho 10 months ago
@GemistusPletho hahaha sure!!! .!.
13Ma4ka13 5 months ago
@13Ma4ka13
Look it up. I am quoting your own national heroes. (the quotes the current extremists in the FYROM government hide) Here are some more.
“Some will ask why I speak of breaking away from the Bulgarians when in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians ”
“We did indeed call ourselves “Bulgarians” and “Christians” in the national sense”
GemistusPletho 5 months ago
@GemistusPletho quoting everyone who works for a interests of bulgaria serbia or greece+gaylada is good bulgarian serb or gay but niot MACEDONIAN check that on ur fucking records u gay cunt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ifadm24 1 month ago
@ifadm24
I quote your own elected leaders but if you don't like that how about your national hero Kirste Misirkov?
"'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?:
What's hilarious is you dumbasses (and your Greek hating apologists) don't realize by claiming to be related to ancient Macedonians you are claimed to Greeks. Go find your own identity you lying POS.
GemistusPletho 1 month ago
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@GemistusPletho Wait a minute what u people are saying that up to 1945 we were Bulgarians and then somebody came and told us that we are actually Macedonians and we believed him and in a matter of few years we all become something else…..How stupid u have to be to actually believe in something like this…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
ifadm24 1 month ago
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Ok for argument sake and to simplify things for you let say u are Greek and I told u nooo u a an arab (which really u are)and u and all of your country man will believe me and u forget of your Greeknes and become Arab’s ,u really think that’s possible……
ifadm24 1 month ago
@ifadm24
"Macedonians means only Macedonian Bulgarians"
“Some will ask why I speak of breaking away from the Bulgarians when in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians ”
“The only Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.”
"We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."
GemistusPletho 1 month ago
@ifadm24
“The first objection — that a Macedonian Slav nationality has never existed — may be very simply answered as follows: what has not existed in the past may still be brought into existence later, provided that the appropriate historical circumstances arise.”
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness”
GemistusPletho 1 month ago
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@GemistusPletho Wait a minute what u people are saying that up to 1945 we were Bulgarians and then somebody came and told us that we are actually Macedonians and we believed him and in a matter of few years we all become something else…..How stupid u have to be to actually believe in something like this…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
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ifadm24 1 month ago
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Ok for argument sake and to simplify things for you let say u are Greek and I told u nooo u a an arab (which really u are)and u and all of your country man will believe me and u forget of your Greeknes and become Arab’s ,u really think that’s possible……
ifadm24 1 month ago