I don't get it, they're asking Geddy Lee about the 'new album' and that interview from 1979. At that point Rush were working on Permanent Waves. Yet the video shows clips from Countdown and Subdivisions from the Signals album released in 1982...
@astrophysics123 The broadcast is from some years later. Much Music didn't start until 84 or 85, I think. Now, why they chose those particular songs, and not say something from Grace Under Pressure, I don't know.
I have no idea how Ray Daniels as a manager works out for Rush. Obviously it works out ok.....but according to some behind the scenes in rock n roll....according to some other "bigshots" in the biz Ray is the biggest asshole alive.
ANY artist in Canada; Nickelback, Alanis Morrisette, Shania Twain, and yes, even Justin Beiber owe everything to Rush for being such a cool band and putting Canada on the musical map.
Countdown and Subdivisions are from the Signals album (1982), but I'm pretty sure the interview with Geddy Lee was from the mid 70s, so something is wierd with the timing, here.
@RCAvhstape Yeah the Geddy interview looks like it takes place before Permanent Waves in 1981 since he mentions the change in direction with only one "10 minute song". They must have recycled footage.
This is from 1979? At 1:10 there is footage of the song Countdown from the album Signals....but that wasn't released until 1982...the soundcheck is from 79? Or the interview?
This is a great bit of Canadian media history.......no one would play or give them a contract in Canada and had to make their name in the U.S.....what a shame.......jerks......and look how young J.D. Roberts looks......in case you don't know, he's was with CHUM FM for a long time before getting his haircut to got to CBS news, then CNN. He now uses his real name, John Roberts.....
Yes. You`re deffintly right. Heavy Metal has changed, its meaning has.
imagine: JETHRO TULL (blues n prog rock) won an award for being the best Heavy Metal Band ever, so as you can see, the meaning is different now. But in my personal oppinion, I think thaat there are a lot of ppl talking about heavy metal, heavy rock, heavy prog, brutal rock, TERROR PUNK (?), and stuff....
MUSIC IS MUSIC... stop puting names on it, just listen what you like and done. :D
I guess I missed when Jacobs Ladder is being played. The clips are from SIgnals (1982) and I guess their "next album" is Moving Pictures (1981), 10-min-piece being Camera Eye.
Cool videos in spite of the "Lost"-time-travelling.
actually lilithudie he is not talking about moving pictures but it sounds like it but i watched the full interview and it was permanent waves he was talking about and that interview was from 1978 i thought
If the Geddy interview was from 79 he was talking about Permanent Waves, which was released New Years day 1980. 10 minute piece being Natural Science.
Wrong, I can think of quite a few Rush songs more under rated. Jacob's Ladder was at least played live on Exit Stage Left. Please try and find me live versions of the following tunes that AREN'T on bootlegs:
1. The Necromancer
2. The Fountain of Lamneth
3. Cygnus X-1 Book II Hemispheres
4. Losing It
5. Kid Gloves
6. Middletown Dreams
Shall I go on?
I love Jacobs Ladder, but it's hardly under rated.
Yeah, he's talking about Permanent Waves and the 10 min song he refers to is "Natural Science". This clip is from the City TV program 'The New Music" featuring a pre CNN JD Roberts. Rush rules y'all.
Thank god for Ray Daniels, huh? So weird hearing Geddy pitch the band's "new album," in 1979 which, even today, sounds WAY ahead of its time. RUSH rules!
So what, Rush is influenced by Zeppelin, they don't sound anything like Zeppelin to me. There's no American Blues influence in Rush's music.
Rush and Zeppelin are related in the sense they are under control of the queen, that's about it. She could order their demise, The queen pays no tax, they do.
Uhhhhh, no. Rush's roots are in Led Zeppelin, Cream and The Who. Have you even heard the first album, or listened to them talk about their influences when they were kids? They were already two albums in before they got into the prog like Yes around the time of Caress of Steel, and one track off Fly By Night.
Alex's favorite guitarist of all time is Jimmy Page.
I had a few posts made in disagreement to these replies, but realized I don't really care, so I deleted them. I still disagree with you strongly, but believe what you will.
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I've been in the music biz professionally since 68' long b/f Rush existed. In the 70's every band walked in the shadow of Zeppelin. Alex's fav guitarists may be JP, so what. Rush is not genetically related (in a musical sense) to any blues based rock band, which Zeppelin was.
Geddy with a Rickenbacker, high pitched voice and a synth is paying homage to somebody, but its not Zeppelin. Peart's lyrics are woefully shallow, even if he were being guided on drugs, Geddy could not save them.
Hahah I'm sure. 'Oh ya, Rush isn't related to Led Zepplin at all, just because Lifeson's idol is Page and Rush's first album is unquestionably influenced by Zepplin doesn't change anything'. Whatever you say bud whatever you say.
@MrPelicanPants man there first albums sounds soooo different then fly by night fly by night is more modern then the first one and carres of steel was underated but on of there most prog album next to hemispheres a farewell to kings and 2112 then permanent waves was not as prog but more modern short songs
@metalfiend124 It's quite possible but I don't recall. But the Camera Eye came at the tail end of their full-on "prog" period, where even long songs were still shorter. The question surrounded his biggest and earliest influences and the roots of the band. Steve Howe, Steve Hackett and all those other prog guys became influences years after Rush had already been established. They already knew how to play their instruments at that point, and were ready to branch out to more challenging things.
@MrPelicanPants Agreed, Phil Collins era was so radically different. What did you think of the single GTR album with Hackett and Howe? My roommate, a guitarist, loved gtr but hated Yes and Genesis. I liked a lot of Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte, which is what I think he made right after leaving Genesis. Lifeson loved that album, so I checked it out.
@MrPelicanPants Do you think Genesis gave Hackett enough spotlight time? Lifeson is more prominent in Rush's music than Hackett was to Genesis to me at least. Neil Peart described Genesis as a keyboard dominated band, and Lifeson was the main melody in Rush up until signals. What do you think?
@Mrgyn That's funny. I've literally seen that documentary about 100 times now. Please give me a time reference where they mention King Crimson being an influence prior to recording their first album, because I don't remember that part anywhere. I only recall them talking about that once the first album was done and John Rutsey wasn't working out for health reasons and lack of interest in the direction they wanted to go.
@Mrgyn Hahaha! Either find me a time reference in the documentary where they say King Crimson and Genesis influenced them prior to the first album (i.e. hard evidence that I'm wrong), or I'm done talking to you. :)
Are you kidding me? Watch the actual documentary. The reason they split up with the original drummer (besides health issues) was they wanted to go in a more King Crimson, Genesis alternative rock direction. You got no idea what you're talking about.
@MrPelicanPants Exactly, the lack of interest in bands like King Crimson, Yes, Genisis, and Pink Floyd. Those are the influences of Geddy and Alex and thats the kind of music they wanted to make, and John was into bands like Bad Company. That line is alomst exactly what Geddy says in the documentry, go watch it. Mrgyn is right.
The interviewer (at 1:43) is Canada's own JOHN ROBERTS, very young! Today is the anchor of CNN's "American Morning" in the USA. I remember when John was a MuchMusic host (Canada's MTV) when I was in elemantary school !
I'm another that listens to Rush almost exclusively, glad I'm not alone! A friend told me I was like Fry from Futurama - he likes to play Space Invaders while listening to his "all Rush mix tape". =)
"No other rock band in rock n' roll history has the integrity and longevity that Rush has. What sets them apart is they continue to evolve and explore new musical fromtiers. And ths, sets them apart. Cheers to all Rush fans everywhere and cheers to you for the great post....have a great day!"
Just ask the band themselfs it it bothers them that alot of folks consider them Hard rock/Metal . They invented Prog/metal and thats why they dont mind apearing on shows like vh-1 `s That Metal Show or all the ducumentarys on Hard rock/Metal. Are they Judas Priest or Metallica ? hardly but they still have roots in hard rock/metal...FACT !
Love your attitude here, I feel the same way... I mean, I don't really listen to anything other than Rush. If I want to change a vibe or whatever, I just select a different album of theirs and I find it.
Prog rock, prog metal, etc. it's just simply uncomparable to anything else. There is music then there's Rush... What can't they play?
btw...it made me laugh when u say u dobt listen to much else other than rush becasue my friends laugh at me cuz i have every rush song and ONLY every rush on my ipod....o ther bands,,,just rush
i dont think i have spoken truer words in my life...."[rush]...thepinnacle of musicianship.."
It's from different years. At one point it shows Ged bein' interviewed in 1979 and he's talking about songs that would end up on the Permanent Waves album and then it cuts to the song Count Down from the Signals album released in 1982.
I was reading something about Jimmy page and he was asked is there any newer bands that he liked.he said he liked that band rush,this was in the seventies.
I think that the term progressive "rock" is both limiting and contradictory to itself. The word progressive often means highly artistic and stylistically limitless, when applied to music. As where the word rock alludes to simplicity and a narrowness of sound and concepts. That's why I consider Rush and such bands practitioners of progressive "music."
Sorry guys! We both got out of hand and I apologize to chisskkim. But I still thought the jibe was uncalled for!!! I would acept an apology if you will?
Once again sorry dudes I mest up!
By the way I love Rush. I own A Farewell to Kings, Hemishperes, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Signals and Vapour Trail. They really do rock!
Okay basher, I accept your apology. Please accept mine as well. I can get a bit "heated" at times. lol
And hey - I love Rush too. I'm a fan from way back. I saw them in concert numerous times in the 1970s. Though to be honest, they kind of lost me after Moving Pictures...
I still think their performance at the Palladium in New York City on their Hemispheres tour was the best concert I ever attended in my life!
Give it a rest guys. Who is cleaverer than the other, more intelligent, pollitically correct...good GOD you guys irritate me. Why all the pointless bickering. I have said it many times and I will say it again it really doesn't matter. It is just music. A genre really has no baring on anything much. It is just a loose label to signify and broad trend in music history. But give up with the arguing it is so childish!!!
Oh yes... I have tremendous respect for internet trolls. Particularly ones who accuse people of being "childish" when they are little more than children themselves. Yeah.
Listen idiot, if you have something substantial or meaningful to contribute to this conversation, post it. If not, learn to mind your own business and keep your snotty little insults to yourself.
And for God's sake, if you feel you must post something, at least have the decency to use spell check - you semiliterate moron.
Well I think the term idiot is a fair discription of the sender, right?
These internet trolls as you call them just like to stir up these silly little petty arguments.
'Snotty little insults' is a bit harsh!!!...it is the principal not the people who get on my nerves.
I am sorry you feel that my supposedly bad spelling get's you hot under the collar. But I mean come on...you think calling me a 'semiliterate moron' will solve things??
Rush... Heavy Metal? Absurd. Back in the day they were a hard rock band with heavy progressive influences. They were not "metal" in any sense of the term.
And personally, I think it's creepy (and dishonest) the way metal enthusiasts are always desperately trying to claim classic hard rock bands "as their own".
As if a blues-based hard rock group like Led Zeppelin really has any meaningful connection to some crappy 80s thrash metal act :)
chissykim, you clearly have no sense what the term "heavy metal" means. Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, and early Rush are solidly in the category of early heavy metal. There's not enough space here to really go into the history, but if you actually took a moment to educate yourself about the history of heavy metal instead of calling it "crappy," you might learn that a "blues-based hard rock group like Led Zeppelin" is the DEFINITION of early heavy metal. "As if"? Ha.
You're right, there really isn't enough space here to go into the history... the history of how a bunch of metal enthusiasts (aficionados of a genre that really doesn't have any roots - unless you consider noise, bad taste, and fast mindless repetition, "roots") decided to appropriate classic rock lineages and call them their progenitors in a desperate attempt to give metal some musical legitimacy.
These enthusiasts write articles, they propagandize... But sayin it's so doesn't make it so :)
I can still remember hearing Robert Plant interviewed on an NYC Rock Station in 1989 (how old were you then sparky? About 7?) During this interview Plant vehemently denied that Zeppelin was heavy metal or related to metal in any organic way. And when asked his opinion of metal bands -- he called them garbage, and went into quite some detail slamming them - the long and short of which was that he viewed them as a bunch of talentless posers.
So Robert Plant didn't want to be associated with heavy metal (in 1989, of all years). Your point? Debussy never liked being called an impressionist, as he considered it belittling (and the term was originally intended as such), but he is considered the archetype for Impressionism in music. Just because someone does or doesn't want to identify with a particular genre has no bearing on whether their music IS actually part of that genre or not.
If Plant's comments about metal were a one-off, your point might be valid. His opinion might just be an aberration. But the fact is, his comments are representative of a general feeling in the music industry. There are many classic rock bands that are on record as denying any musical relationship to heavy metal -- despite the vociferations of metal enthusiasts desperately trying to claim them as their own.
Geddy has said they've never really considered themselves to be a "progressive rock band," but do you go around belittling the intelligence of anyone who refers to Rush as such? (Well, maybe you do--you seem like that kind of person.) Just because you have an irrational hatred of this particular genre of music and an undeserved feeling of superiority over its listeners ("sparky"?), does not negate the fact that early Rush had many of the hallmarks of early heavy metal.
I would never belittle the intelligence of someone who claimed that Rush was a progressive rock band. Reason? Their assertion would have some basis in fact. Rush never hid the fact that they were big fans of prog rock and that their music was heavily shaped and influenced by it. But for someone to claim that Rush is a metal band is just plain dishonest.
lol, did anyone notice that when they named them they said the names all wrong. "These three guys: Geddy Lee (while the camera is on Alex) Alex Lifeson (camera on Neil) who couldn't pay a record-company to release their first album"...
and yeah... since when did Rush start playing heavy metal? Media artards..
yeah , the earlier stuff , a lot of it , was as METALLIC as it got...partiularly for the era....do u even own , or have u HEARD the first 5 to 6 studio albums?..HEAVY
Heavy Metal.. Ya gotta admit that some of the early songs RUSH did were pretty heavy.They smoothed out over the years but even today they can let it rip. I'd put Alex up against some of the biggest metal guitarists. Ya ever listen to his solo album? Some serious riffing there.
Heavy metal????? Wow....lol
tranceofdances 2 weeks ago
I don't get it, they're asking Geddy Lee about the 'new album' and that interview from 1979. At that point Rush were working on Permanent Waves. Yet the video shows clips from Countdown and Subdivisions from the Signals album released in 1982...
astrophysics123 3 weeks ago
@astrophysics123 The broadcast is from some years later. Much Music didn't start until 84 or 85, I think. Now, why they chose those particular songs, and not say something from Grace Under Pressure, I don't know.
Kohntarkosz 2 weeks ago
@Kohntarkosz yeah it makes more sense, then
astrophysics123 2 weeks ago
lol @ heavy metal.
chaseme81871 4 weeks ago
Rush > VH. And Hagar is a douche.
seymoresaymore 2 months ago 2
the thumbnail for this video looks like he's being interviewed by some californian orange bud !!!
youlittlerocket 3 months ago
I have no idea how Ray Daniels as a manager works out for Rush. Obviously it works out ok.....but according to some behind the scenes in rock n roll....according to some other "bigshots" in the biz Ray is the biggest asshole alive.
LongDrivesAtNight 4 months ago
ANY artist in Canada; Nickelback, Alanis Morrisette, Shania Twain, and yes, even Justin Beiber owe everything to Rush for being such a cool band and putting Canada on the musical map.
prettynoose8497 5 months ago
pop culture prophets ringing in my ears, mister ray daniels
/watch?v=oIQ7YCTgtCk
WHO DAT!
SuperMegaUberGenius 5 months ago
Ray Daniels, thanks for almost destroying Van Halen
bigbrogiant4 9 months ago
@bigbrogiant4 Was about to post the same thing!! If Sammy's correct, this guy is a major cock!
sbrave 8 months ago
hahahaha i love how they said the wrong names for the band members at the beggining
Rush1017 10 months ago
Ray Daniels reminds me of Sam Kinnison in this video! Keep waiting for him to start yelling.... "AAH...AAH...!!!!!"
Lydirius 11 months ago
>heavy metal
B1K4R 1 year ago
It says 1979 sound check and interview, but at the end, they show video from 1982 Subdivisions. Perhaps the footage is combined from different years.
gottarush 1 year ago
@gottarush Yeah, Countdown is also on the 1982 Signals album and that is featured too. The date has got to be wrong
sjfalcon2001 9 months ago
Mr. Ray Daniels..., or what Ever your name is !!!
constantinosbassman 1 year ago
Countdown and Subdivisions are from the Signals album (1982), but I'm pretty sure the interview with Geddy Lee was from the mid 70s, so something is wierd with the timing, here.
RCAvhstape 1 year ago
@RCAvhstape Yeah the Geddy interview looks like it takes place before Permanent Waves in 1981 since he mentions the change in direction with only one "10 minute song". They must have recycled footage.
sjfalcon2001 9 months ago
@RCAvhstape The soundcheck and Geddy's interview footage are from '79.
funkster007 6 months ago
countdown!
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Dude looked like Sam Kinison!
"OOOHHH! OH OH OOOHHH!!!"
gorillabelly1 1 year ago
This is from 1979? At 1:10 there is footage of the song Countdown from the album Signals....but that wasn't released until 1982...the soundcheck is from 79? Or the interview?
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RUSH1200 1 year ago
Thank God Rush is play Jacobs Ladder on they're Time Machine Tour this year!!! And The Camera Eye!
BeyondTheGovernment 1 year ago
They are so not heavy metal-ists- they have there own genere its called rush !
Kartingboy1 1 year ago
This is a great bit of Canadian media history.......no one would play or give them a contract in Canada and had to make their name in the U.S.....what a shame.......jerks......and look how young J.D. Roberts looks......in case you don't know, he's was with CHUM FM for a long time before getting his haircut to got to CBS news, then CNN. He now uses his real name, John Roberts.....
glsingle 1 year ago
Countdown rules.
SouthJerseyMatt 1 year ago
the narrator guy is soo corny.
dwilmer7 2 years ago
Ray Daniels is a douche
hitnrundrummer 2 years ago 2
Holy wall of Oberheim's! and the Ob-1 soundcheck is cool to see and hear also!~:)
obwaveygravey 2 years ago
OK RUSH fans, do you people know WHAT a Jacobs Ladder is? If you don't, look it up, the song will be that much more intense, if thats possible.
rushringsfanatic 2 years ago
@rushringsfanatic
A "jacob's ladder" is a beam of sunlight stabbing it's way through heavy cloud cover...
xanadu77 2 years ago
the Geddy interview is talking about the Camera Eye from moving pictures of course.
dklawik 2 years ago
No, he's talking about Natural Science. This was just before Permanent Waves was released.
wa1nyp 2 years ago
It is heavy metal in seventies :)
Jaredo1972 2 years ago
heavy metal?
ArideTWT 2 years ago
the definition of "heavy metal" has changed dramatically over the years
orochi976 2 years ago 4
true true
ArideTWT 2 years ago
Yes. You`re deffintly right. Heavy Metal has changed, its meaning has.
imagine: JETHRO TULL (blues n prog rock) won an award for being the best Heavy Metal Band ever, so as you can see, the meaning is different now. But in my personal oppinion, I think thaat there are a lot of ppl talking about heavy metal, heavy rock, heavy prog, brutal rock, TERROR PUNK (?), and stuff....
MUSIC IS MUSIC... stop puting names on it, just listen what you like and done. :D
alanboro 2 years ago
It is heavy metal in seventies :)
Jaredo1972 2 years ago
I guess I missed when Jacobs Ladder is being played. The clips are from SIgnals (1982) and I guess their "next album" is Moving Pictures (1981), 10-min-piece being Camera Eye.
Cool videos in spite of the "Lost"-time-travelling.
lilithUdie 2 years ago
0:35 - 0:46
orochi976 2 years ago
At 0:35-0:46 they play an excerpt of "Jacob's Ladder".
jsmaye 2 years ago
Oh yeah, you're right, I missed it.
lilithUdie 2 years ago
actually lilithudie he is not talking about moving pictures but it sounds like it but i watched the full interview and it was permanent waves he was talking about and that interview was from 1978 i thought
levipearl2112 2 years ago
If the Geddy interview was from 79 he was talking about Permanent Waves, which was released New Years day 1980. 10 minute piece being Natural Science.
burningxdimx 2 years ago 2
JACOBS LADDER, the most under rated Rush song of all time
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago 37
agreed
ernieballsting 2 years ago
@ACEBAKER911 That whole album is the most underrated Rush song of all time.....
LOLR0FLMAO 7 months ago
@ACEBAKER911
Wrong, I can think of quite a few Rush songs more under rated. Jacob's Ladder was at least played live on Exit Stage Left. Please try and find me live versions of the following tunes that AREN'T on bootlegs:
1. The Necromancer
2. The Fountain of Lamneth
3. Cygnus X-1 Book II Hemispheres
4. Losing It
5. Kid Gloves
6. Middletown Dreams
Shall I go on?
I love Jacobs Ladder, but it's hardly under rated.
H3llRazing 1 month ago
But then in the middle and at the end of the interview, they are playing Subdivisions and a clip of Countdown which was on their
1982 Album Signals. Must have been a later interview than 1979.
Bassoclock 2 years ago 2
The interview was done before and then it was put onto what ever television show this is LATER.
Notice how it said "Let's step back in time" at the beginning
burningxdimx 2 years ago
Listen to Alex run through those crisp Punchy chords in Ladder, so cool
way too short though, i wanna mear more vintage Jacobs ladder !!!!
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
My favorite band of all time.
skullkap1 2 years ago
was not subdivisions later then when this interview was recorded?
And was not Geddy talking about Permanent Waves in that short interview?
just wondering
beyoncelover202 2 years ago
Yeah, he's talking about Permanent Waves and the 10 min song he refers to is "Natural Science". This clip is from the City TV program 'The New Music" featuring a pre CNN JD Roberts. Rush rules y'all.
ilovemullets007 2 years ago
Rush IS heavy metal.. progreesive is a name created by the media
Kristoliquid 2 years ago
Getty made the statement that they simple think of themselfs as a rock
band. I never thought of them as a
metal act...they certainly don't sound
metal. As far as progressive goes,
yes, what they brought to rock
was new therefore progressive, so
that would be an appropriate discription.
guitarran 2 years ago
And "heavy metal" isn't?
WitchOvAgnesi 2 years ago
Rush is Rush, no one like them they are their own rock music catagory
dwtime 2 years ago
uhmm rush is progressive
chicka226 2 years ago
Rush is heavy metal?
Ok then.
Neil2112 2 years ago
Weird. The piece is obviously produced after Signals was released. They must've been sitting on the interviews and soundcheck footage for awhile.
gene921 2 years ago
Thank god for Ray Daniels, huh? So weird hearing Geddy pitch the band's "new album," in 1979 which, even today, sounds WAY ahead of its time. RUSH rules!
brianchristie 2 years ago
Rush may be 'inspired' by Zeppelin (as many are), but Rush's roots are not in American blues.
Many bands want(ed) to emulate Zeppelin, but you can't fake the magic. You either have it or you don't and Rush's is weak.
generatrix999 2 years ago
So what, Rush is influenced by Zeppelin, they don't sound anything like Zeppelin to me. There's no American Blues influence in Rush's music.
Rush and Zeppelin are related in the sense they are under control of the queen, that's about it. She could order their demise, The queen pays no tax, they do.
generatrix999 2 years ago
The song Geddy is talking about being about 10 minutes long is "The Camera Eye" off of Moving Pictures which clocks in at 10:59.
kostkaskater 2 years ago
Nobody wanted to sign Rush, they were a dime store version of Yes and Canadian to booot.
generatrix999 2 years ago
No they weren't. They were a dime store version of Led Zeppelin when they were trying to get signed with their first album.
MrPelicanPants 2 years ago
Zeppelin's roots are in American Blues.
Rush's roots are in prog rock, with no harmonics to Zeppelin other than feeble, intellectually minded attempts at esoteric song writing.
generatrix999 2 years ago
Uhhhhh, no. Rush's roots are in Led Zeppelin, Cream and The Who. Have you even heard the first album, or listened to them talk about their influences when they were kids? They were already two albums in before they got into the prog like Yes around the time of Caress of Steel, and one track off Fly By Night.
Alex's favorite guitarist of all time is Jimmy Page.
MrPelicanPants 2 years ago 13
And I would call Neil's lyrics anything but feeble. Sure he has a few stinkers here and there, but I'd still take them over Zeppelin lyrics any day.
MrPelicanPants 2 years ago 3
"A funeral dirge for eyes gone blind"
Like them or not, at least Plant could put artistic emotion vocally behind the lyrics he wrote.
Geddy was/is literally singing 'cover' songs, someone else's material, as its clear he's not connected to Peart's juvenile intellect.
generatrix999 2 years ago
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MrPelicanPants 2 years ago
I had a few posts made in disagreement to these replies, but realized I don't really care, so I deleted them. I still disagree with you strongly, but believe what you will.
MrPelicanPants 2 years ago
bollocks
lerxt42 2 years ago
bollocks
lerxt42 2 years ago
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I've been in the music biz professionally since 68' long b/f Rush existed. In the 70's every band walked in the shadow of Zeppelin. Alex's fav guitarists may be JP, so what. Rush is not genetically related (in a musical sense) to any blues based rock band, which Zeppelin was.
Geddy with a Rickenbacker, high pitched voice and a synth is paying homage to somebody, but its not Zeppelin. Peart's lyrics are woefully shallow, even if he were being guided on drugs, Geddy could not save them.
generatrix999 2 years ago
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MrPelicanPants 2 years ago
Hahah I'm sure. 'Oh ya, Rush isn't related to Led Zepplin at all, just because Lifeson's idol is Page and Rush's first album is unquestionably influenced by Zepplin doesn't change anything'. Whatever you say bud whatever you say.
rushpowerpratt 2 years ago
@MrPelicanPants man there first albums sounds soooo different then fly by night fly by night is more modern then the first one and carres of steel was underated but on of there most prog album next to hemispheres a farewell to kings and 2112 then permanent waves was not as prog but more modern short songs
zackjp 1 year ago
@zackjp I know that. What's your point?
MrPelicanPants 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants that is true also the added in one interview they also like pink floyd another greatband
zackjp 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants How about Steve Hackett and Steve Howe? Didn't he write Camera Eye as a tribute to Genesis? I read that in guitar world once.
metalfiend124 1 year ago
@metalfiend124 It's quite possible but I don't recall. But the Camera Eye came at the tail end of their full-on "prog" period, where even long songs were still shorter. The question surrounded his biggest and earliest influences and the roots of the band. Steve Howe, Steve Hackett and all those other prog guys became influences years after Rush had already been established. They already knew how to play their instruments at that point, and were ready to branch out to more challenging things.
MrPelicanPants 1 year ago
@metalfiend124 Hackett is amazing by the way. Absolutely love that guy. Once he and Gabriel left Genesis that was it for me.
MrPelicanPants 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants Agreed, Phil Collins era was so radically different. What did you think of the single GTR album with Hackett and Howe? My roommate, a guitarist, loved gtr but hated Yes and Genesis. I liked a lot of Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte, which is what I think he made right after leaving Genesis. Lifeson loved that album, so I checked it out.
metalfiend124 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants Do you think Genesis gave Hackett enough spotlight time? Lifeson is more prominent in Rush's music than Hackett was to Genesis to me at least. Neil Peart described Genesis as a keyboard dominated band, and Lifeson was the main melody in Rush up until signals. What do you think?
metalfiend124 1 year ago
@metalfiend124I think Genesis were boring turgid shit. At least Rush wrote and performed brilliant songs.
coltsuperocean10 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants they also idolized groups like pink floyd and the police (Neil), but your right - classic and blues rock is what they grew up on
DannyDoomPink 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants
The new documentary about them proves what you said to be wrong. There influences whilst younger were King Crimson, Genesis and bands like that.
Mrgyn 1 year ago
@Mrgyn That's funny. I've literally seen that documentary about 100 times now. Please give me a time reference where they mention King Crimson being an influence prior to recording their first album, because I don't remember that part anywhere. I only recall them talking about that once the first album was done and John Rutsey wasn't working out for health reasons and lack of interest in the direction they wanted to go.
MrPelicanPants 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants
100 times now? Apparently you weren't paying attention any of those "100" times.
Mrgyn 1 year ago
@Mrgyn Hahaha! Either find me a time reference in the documentary where they say King Crimson and Genesis influenced them prior to the first album (i.e. hard evidence that I'm wrong), or I'm done talking to you. :)
MrPelicanPants 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants
Are you kidding me? Watch the actual documentary. The reason they split up with the original drummer (besides health issues) was they wanted to go in a more King Crimson, Genesis alternative rock direction. You got no idea what you're talking about.
Mrgyn 1 year ago
@MrPelicanPants Exactly, the lack of interest in bands like King Crimson, Yes, Genisis, and Pink Floyd. Those are the influences of Geddy and Alex and thats the kind of music they wanted to make, and John was into bands like Bad Company. That line is alomst exactly what Geddy says in the documentry, go watch it. Mrgyn is right.
bllpg9 1 year ago
more bollocks
lerxt42 2 years ago
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lerxt42 2 years ago
how sick is that short clip of Jacobs Ladder.. Would love to hear the whole tune.
xyz321123 2 years ago
The interviewer (at 1:43) is Canada's own JOHN ROBERTS, very young! Today is the anchor of CNN's "American Morning" in the USA. I remember when John was a MuchMusic host (Canada's MTV) when I was in elemantary school !
kevinwayte 2 years ago
I'm another that listens to Rush almost exclusively, glad I'm not alone! A friend told me I was like Fry from Futurama - he likes to play Space Invaders while listening to his "all Rush mix tape". =)
Meef1701 2 years ago
"No other rock band in rock n' roll history has the integrity and longevity that Rush has. What sets them apart is they continue to evolve and explore new musical fromtiers. And ths, sets them apart. Cheers to all Rush fans everywhere and cheers to you for the great post....have a great day!"
karmatoga 2 years ago 3
You're absolutely right.
And a great day to you
harrybrandy 2 years ago
"Thank you!"
karmatoga 2 years ago
How could this be 1979 if they show a clip of "Subdivisions", and Signals wasn't out until.... 85?
Rocko619 2 years ago
WRONG. Signals came out in 1982
jonzguitar 2 years ago
This is a MASHUP clip from Much Music in Toronto which included a clip from 1982's Signals
gestet 2 years ago
Signals came out in 1982 not 85, neither of you are right.
ViciousAlienKlown 2 years ago
rush isnt heavy metal that if that guy thinks prog is heavy metal id hate to see what he thinks death metal is
RushRulesRock 2 years ago
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Geddy Lee Of RUSH Makes A Cameo Appearance In The Film "I LOVE YOU MAN" In Theaters On March 20, 2009 VERY COOL..........
RUSH1200 2 years ago
Rush fit under the metal umbrella so deal with it.
bosoxyaz8 2 years ago
Rush does´nt fit anything...it is JUST Rush: "uncomparable"....art Rock.
esrb 2 years ago
Just ask the band themselfs it it bothers them that alot of folks consider them Hard rock/Metal . They invented Prog/metal and thats why they dont mind apearing on shows like vh-1 `s That Metal Show or all the ducumentarys on Hard rock/Metal. Are they Judas Priest or Metallica ? hardly but they still have roots in hard rock/metal...FACT !
bosoxyaz8 2 years ago
I wouldn't call Rush heavy metal. I would call them GODS though. prog / classic rock.
TheNewWorldMan69 2 years ago
Rush is not necessarily heavy metal, but they were the first to venture into the world of progressive metal.
Andytheminstrel 2 years ago
haha CANADA'S MOST SUCCESSFUL BAND EVER!
has Canada had other successful bands?
GoldenGoalie21 3 years ago
exactly. the only successful canadian band just also happens to be the most talented and probably the best band in the WORLD!
long live canada my country and of course, long live rush. the pinnacle of musicianship.
Rago2112 3 years ago 5
rago2112...
Your words are so true here about Rush!
Love your attitude here, I feel the same way... I mean, I don't really listen to anything other than Rush. If I want to change a vibe or whatever, I just select a different album of theirs and I find it.
Prog rock, prog metal, etc. it's just simply uncomparable to anything else. There is music then there's Rush... What can't they play?
instantbrother 2 years ago
eexactly...
they r so talented and so underrated..
btw...it made me laugh when u say u dobt listen to much else other than rush becasue my friends laugh at me cuz i have every rush song and ONLY every rush on my ipod....o ther bands,,,just rush
i dont think i have spoken truer words in my life...."[rush]...thepinnacle of musicianship.."
(as stated in my previous comment)
Rago2112 2 years ago
BTO, The Guess Who, Mahogany Rush, The Band, Loverboy, Nickelback, UZEB, Simple Plan, Voivod, April Wine, Chilliwack,...
jeansbass 2 years ago
That interview with Geddy (from '79) is on the R30 bonus DVD.
Long live Rush. :)
DaCaptain924 3 years ago 2
Their first few albums all have some pretty heavy songs on them. It's at least hard rock.
NR92CP 3 years ago 3
Uhh, Rush a "Heavy Metal Band?" Even for its time, I wouldn't say that. Sabbath would, scratch that, IS a heavy metal band.
tnpan 3 years ago 2
This is from 1982 Dude not 79..
marcusedell 3 years ago
It's from different years. At one point it shows Ged bein' interviewed in 1979 and he's talking about songs that would end up on the Permanent Waves album and then it cuts to the song Count Down from the Signals album released in 1982.
EZrhythm 3 years ago
Hahahaha f*** the napkin!
biopsychosocio 3 years ago
Ray Daniels looks like he is out of Spinal Tap.
Soul74 3 years ago 2
me too
methwatch 3 years ago
Why are they playing "Countdown" from Signals near the beginning if this is from 1979?
BlackfyreWarrior 3 years ago
Very true... hmm... Rush rocks anyway!
tseekr379 3 years ago
It was a colage, produced years later. Watch closer. Peace on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
peaceonearth777 3 years ago
Time machines.
nesjuggalo 3 years ago
Ray Daniels? or is it Rutger Hauer with long hair? something to think about!
SodCorley 3 years ago
Geddy Lee has fusion socks, fusion bass, and fusion spectacles, amazing they rock and rolla...
AscendentInLeo 3 years ago
Archive classic ! This is fantastic footage, thanks for sharing ! Go GEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
paulalexander 3 years ago 2
I was reading something about Jimmy page and he was asked is there any newer bands that he liked.he said he liked that band rush,this was in the seventies.
STRATCAT101 3 years ago
The guy interviewing Ray Danniels is JD Roberts, now known as John Roberts on CNN.
VinnyLLL 3 years ago
I think that the term progressive "rock" is both limiting and contradictory to itself. The word progressive often means highly artistic and stylistically limitless, when applied to music. As where the word rock alludes to simplicity and a narrowness of sound and concepts. That's why I consider Rush and such bands practitioners of progressive "music."
vaporarrows 3 years ago
Sorry guys! We both got out of hand and I apologize to chisskkim. But I still thought the jibe was uncalled for!!! I would acept an apology if you will?
Once again sorry dudes I mest up!
By the way I love Rush. I own A Farewell to Kings, Hemishperes, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Signals and Vapour Trail. They really do rock!
thegreatbasher 3 years ago 2
Okay basher, I accept your apology. Please accept mine as well. I can get a bit "heated" at times. lol
And hey - I love Rush too. I'm a fan from way back. I saw them in concert numerous times in the 1970s. Though to be honest, they kind of lost me after Moving Pictures...
I still think their performance at the Palladium in New York City on their Hemispheres tour was the best concert I ever attended in my life!
Peace.
chissykim 3 years ago 3
Give it a rest guys. Who is cleaverer than the other, more intelligent, pollitically correct...good GOD you guys irritate me. Why all the pointless bickering. I have said it many times and I will say it again it really doesn't matter. It is just music. A genre really has no baring on anything much. It is just a loose label to signify and broad trend in music history. But give up with the arguing it is so childish!!!
thegreatbasher 3 years ago
Oh yes... I have tremendous respect for internet trolls. Particularly ones who accuse people of being "childish" when they are little more than children themselves. Yeah.
Listen idiot, if you have something substantial or meaningful to contribute to this conversation, post it. If not, learn to mind your own business and keep your snotty little insults to yourself.
And for God's sake, if you feel you must post something, at least have the decency to use spell check - you semiliterate moron.
chissykim 3 years ago
Well I think the term idiot is a fair discription of the sender, right?
These internet trolls as you call them just like to stir up these silly little petty arguments.
'Snotty little insults' is a bit harsh!!!...it is the principal not the people who get on my nerves.
I am sorry you feel that my supposedly bad spelling get's you hot under the collar. But I mean come on...you think calling me a 'semiliterate moron' will solve things??
thegreatbasher 3 years ago
it's pronounced pee-urt! actually
mihirmaiden18 3 years ago 3
ray daniels is ronson
ePhilosopher 3 years ago
Neil is looking damn good with those cool sunglasses on.
MargoMitchell 3 years ago
Rush... Heavy Metal? Absurd. Back in the day they were a hard rock band with heavy progressive influences. They were not "metal" in any sense of the term.
And personally, I think it's creepy (and dishonest) the way metal enthusiasts are always desperately trying to claim classic hard rock bands "as their own".
As if a blues-based hard rock group like Led Zeppelin really has any meaningful connection to some crappy 80s thrash metal act :)
chissykim 3 years ago 4
chissykim, you clearly have no sense what the term "heavy metal" means. Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, and early Rush are solidly in the category of early heavy metal. There's not enough space here to really go into the history, but if you actually took a moment to educate yourself about the history of heavy metal instead of calling it "crappy," you might learn that a "blues-based hard rock group like Led Zeppelin" is the DEFINITION of early heavy metal. "As if"? Ha.
ajc06 3 years ago
You're right, there really isn't enough space here to go into the history... the history of how a bunch of metal enthusiasts (aficionados of a genre that really doesn't have any roots - unless you consider noise, bad taste, and fast mindless repetition, "roots") decided to appropriate classic rock lineages and call them their progenitors in a desperate attempt to give metal some musical legitimacy.
These enthusiasts write articles, they propagandize... But sayin it's so doesn't make it so :)
chissykim 3 years ago 2
I can still remember hearing Robert Plant interviewed on an NYC Rock Station in 1989 (how old were you then sparky? About 7?) During this interview Plant vehemently denied that Zeppelin was heavy metal or related to metal in any organic way. And when asked his opinion of metal bands -- he called them garbage, and went into quite some detail slamming them - the long and short of which was that he viewed them as a bunch of talentless posers.
chissykim 3 years ago 4
So Robert Plant didn't want to be associated with heavy metal (in 1989, of all years). Your point? Debussy never liked being called an impressionist, as he considered it belittling (and the term was originally intended as such), but he is considered the archetype for Impressionism in music. Just because someone does or doesn't want to identify with a particular genre has no bearing on whether their music IS actually part of that genre or not.
ajc06 3 years ago
If Plant's comments about metal were a one-off, your point might be valid. His opinion might just be an aberration. But the fact is, his comments are representative of a general feeling in the music industry. There are many classic rock bands that are on record as denying any musical relationship to heavy metal -- despite the vociferations of metal enthusiasts desperately trying to claim them as their own.
chissykim 3 years ago 4
Geddy has said they've never really considered themselves to be a "progressive rock band," but do you go around belittling the intelligence of anyone who refers to Rush as such? (Well, maybe you do--you seem like that kind of person.) Just because you have an irrational hatred of this particular genre of music and an undeserved feeling of superiority over its listeners ("sparky"?), does not negate the fact that early Rush had many of the hallmarks of early heavy metal.
ajc06 3 years ago
I would never belittle the intelligence of someone who claimed that Rush was a progressive rock band. Reason? Their assertion would have some basis in fact. Rush never hid the fact that they were big fans of prog rock and that their music was heavily shaped and influenced by it. But for someone to claim that Rush is a metal band is just plain dishonest.
chissykim 3 years ago 3
And ajc06, for the record, I feel no superiority in this matter. People have different musical tastes. I accept that.
The fact is, you're just a condescending jerk ("if you actually took a moment to educate yourself"? lol) That's why I call you sparky :)
chissykim 3 years ago
he pronounced neils name wrong
pepsilover1 3 years ago
they always seem to!
RustySacks 3 years ago
i meant the story not the interview lol
FBIxWARNINGx 3 years ago
the soundcheck was from 79..i dont think the interview is
FBIxWARNINGx 3 years ago 2
The description says 1979 but there are songs from Signals in the piece.
NY97Isles 3 years ago
Signals? naaaaa
kennyplay 3 years ago
Yeah, it's Countdown and then Subdivisions.
Stenopelmatus 3 years ago
YEsss .. sounds awesome!!! Nice clip.. I need more of these rare clips to be uploaded on here! Anyone got more?? Please get them on here! :-) Ty
vinnykster 3 years ago
lol, did anyone notice that when they named them they said the names all wrong. "These three guys: Geddy Lee (while the camera is on Alex) Alex Lifeson (camera on Neil) who couldn't pay a record-company to release their first album"...
and yeah... since when did Rush start playing heavy metal? Media artards..
theloladin 4 years ago
Rush is psuedo-metal, they feel of their music is metal, double bass, lots of low down bass parts, guitar is most on bottom strings, ect ect
LastRowKid 4 years ago
well still, it's not even close to heavy metal or metal at ALL...
theloladin 4 years ago
yeah , the earlier stuff , a lot of it , was as METALLIC as it got...partiularly for the era....do u even own , or have u HEARD the first 5 to 6 studio albums?..HEAVY
darrin924 3 years ago
I would call it progressive rock...
HDL2112 3 years ago 3
Heavy Metal.. Ya gotta admit that some of the early songs RUSH did were pretty heavy.They smoothed out over the years but even today they can let it rip. I'd put Alex up against some of the biggest metal guitarists. Ya ever listen to his solo album? Some serious riffing there.
loungeking1 3 years ago