amen brother. some only can read the surface of the scripture. as Mathew 13:13 reads-'This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. '
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Love you brother!! I share a quote with your viewers:
"It is not the theologian, who is most likely to receive the right impression from the study of Scripture--but the humble, simple-hearted, contemplative Christian.
The most learned and profound theologian must learn to sit at the feet of Jesus in the spirit of a child, or he is not likely to be edified by his studies."
He was made perfect in his obedience in the same flesh we carry. The flesh he posessed had to be as our flesh in order to provide us with the strength to follow in his footsteps. Pick up your cross and follow. If he had perfect flesh then he would be a jerk to expect us to live up to the statement, be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect, seeing as we are so imperfect and he is so perfect. Being in very nature God is not being God. He gave us the perfect example by his obedience...
not by being God, but by being obedient to God, by allowing His word and his word alone be the very sustanance of his being in the flesh we all share. Inthis example he provided two very essential things. 1- the pledge of a good conscience toward God, which allows us to 2- Deny ourselves pick up our cross and follow.
Yes, he was showing us how to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. The problem here is not that I am denying the scripture as you keep claiming. The real problem is that You are denying that there is another way of seeing it that doesn't line up with your own. Can we at least agree on the fact that Jesus is Gods son. That he came in the flesh and died for your sins and for mine? Or must we strain gnats and swallow camels?
Who should I listen to, you who have only falsely accused me of denying my king of whom I have a living and growing relationship with in my heart, or him whom daily shows me examples of his love in my life. As paul says the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. Unless you can still the still small voice in my heart and cause the changes in my life he has made. You really have no ground to stand on in your judgement of me. Please, PUT DOWN YOUR SWORD PETER...
After learning obedience through his suffering, which by the way is the cup he was reffering to when talking to the mother of the sons of thunder, when they were claiming seats, then and only then was he lifted up in THE FLESH to be seated at the right hand of the Father. Before this he was of the Father in much the same way your unborn sons and daughters are of you.
"Father, I pray that they may be one with me as I am one with you..." A complete unity of thought mind and purpose. This little gem right here is the foundation for my quadrinity video. Pre destined pre chosen, that is in him in the beginning. So I'm false. Move on brother unless arguing is more important to you than helping orphans and widows in their distress and keeping clean.
my pride? Good, the sons of God resort to name calling and accusation. You are doing far worse to me and yet when it comes back to you you react as a pharisee. Interesting...
"I'm not an illigitiate child I'm only deffending faith against false gospels." This is not going to hold water in his presence when he looks at the way in which you dealt with me. I will say again, it is not me who stumbled upon you and openly started underming your views.
Your christian doctrine is really 'a catholic confessional' because you and others have made Saul/Paul your legalized High Priest and god...
A7 I have been dealing with you and christianities pride now for all my life for you have no salvation without obeying YHVH' WORDS...
You zealots are nothing more than pseudo catholic cronies and you are ignorant to that simple truth for Yeshua' was not a catholic or christian church goer...
pride, such is the case. Reduced to name calling our own brothers. No wonder the atheists mock us. We can't even agree amongst ourselves. Honestly, who really wants to be a part of a kingdom where none of the subjects even see their king the same way. The message of Gods love is infinitely more important than any of these controversies and yet my own brethren are willing to curse me as false for the sake of doctrine. Are we not all imperfect in the face of God's love?
lioninchains > Answer this for yourself.....God Forbids the Worship of ANY other, except Himself.....YET....Scripture Tells the ANGELS to WORSHIP Jesus >>>
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM
You use your 'rational' mind to work out the mysteries of God....this will get you into trouble 'lioninchains' as it already has.
again I'm not the one passing judgement here. If I did I think I would have a bit more ground to stand on. I worship him and am on my face before him often. Here you are making your assumptions on me and deeming me to be in trouble when you yourself are in the straights of a contentious spirit. It is obvious by what you choose to say to me and about the private affairs of my heart. For who can read a heart but our Father in heaven. No brother I fear it is you who tread in dagerous steps.
lioninchains > the irony is, your only support is this Liar called "christianizers'....you're not in good company.
how do i know he's a Liar, apart from deny Jesus Christ is God ?
He accuses me that quoting scripture is equivalent to what the devil did to Jesus, he fails to mention that Jesus countered satan with scripture....this is what scripture says 'lioninchains' >>>>
1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him SPEAK AS THE ORACLES OF GOD;
Actus7 you made some great points and comments on this thread, soo sad they all got voted off and so did mine and everyone else that LOVES JESUS AS LORD AND GOD.
How pathetic and weak..christianzers, lockmanship and all the other clones of the SAME person that cant allow the TRUTH here because it shines the light on the antichrist, deception and perversion that rules him currently
so sad, i pray he would set aside his pride and ask Jesus to come into his life and cleanse and sanctify amenPTL
A7 quoting scriptures is what YHVH' ADVERSARY performed in order to justify his contention that Yeshua' was not The Son Of Yahveh...
Unlike Yeshua' you required of me proof in the scriptures and they were proved for you but you choose to interpret them by a catholic-christian dogma.
Quote what you wish to convince you of your ongoing sins against YHVH' COMMANDS but only obedience TO HIM by HIS SON' EXAMPLE his how everyones life must FOLLOW.
No demonic doctrines will save you from your works!
"Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up, a man thinks he knows many things but he does not yet know as he ought to know, the man that loves God is known by God." "Jesus Christ and him crucified..." here's my scripture. Now you will respond, "Oh your taking it out of context." right? You're making just as many assumptions of me as I am and what's worse you are sure God is backing you up on it. There is no statement where he says where ever two or more of you argue I am there.
Being the perfect son, that is the second life renewing Adam, something we can attain to, is not the same as being the Father. HOW CAN YOU play down Gods perfection. "Good teacher what must I do to be saved?" "Why do you call me good, there is only one who is good, Our Father in heaven." And as far as this very worn out Jn 1:1 look at Hebrews where Levi was quoted as still in the body of his ancestor. This was obviously a common thought process in this time.
You deem Jesus to be God and you have made it impossible for us to reach him and become co-heirs. How many people when I have told him they need to step up and follow, have come back with I'm not Jesus. Why? Because they believe he is God and there for unreachable. And yet, "I tell you the truth he who believes in me shall do these things I do and greater." For as Paul says, the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk, but of power.
And as far as these scriptures are concerned, I have one question? Does'nt the devil and the pharisee use scripture to drive their every point home? Wasn't Jesus the one proving his point by what he chose to do and did'nt he call us to pick up our cross and follow? Since when did he ever comission us to theological study and debate. You pubically confess the futility of this on your own main page and yet go elsewhere to show your true colors. HMMMM.
A7 how could Yeshua' become 'The Sacrificial Lamb' for all of YHVH' CREATION if Yeshua' came 'in the flesh' as 'a man' and willingly chose to be obedient to His Father' Commands in doing so in order 'to redeem' all men back unto YHVH?
A7 if you say Yeshua' was perfect and you caveat it with 'the penalty' of sin you are calling YHVH and HIS SON a liar for Yeshua' was 100% IMPERFECT MAN and 100% OBEDIENT TO YHVH MAN and as for all other men THEY likewise must choose not to sin.
Here is the fallacy of the 'penalty of sin' doctrine...
All men and women will be judged by YHVH and His Given Son' Appointments by what each one of them 'worked' within 'the flesh' yet 'the doctrine' states that 'their works' of sin are forgiven aka past, present and future but clearly this 'is a lie' cause as we understand it in the scriptures all men will be judged thereby...
This doctrine is only used to justify peoples sins in the flesh by not being accountable to YHVH.
"lioninchains" how could "JESUS CHRIST PAY THE PENALTY OF SIN" for the whole world if He were Not Perfect, Not God ?"
And then A7 misquotes himself by texting;
"christianizer > no one mentioned the 'penalty of sin' doctrine."
A7 the scriptures clearly say that Yeshua' was born and lived in the same flesh as you and I therefore His Existence in the flesh as you and I was just as imperfect yet what He Chose In The Flesh made Him The Perfect Sinless Man!
christianizer > you're rambling....you contradict yourself....in one breathe you claim Jesus was IMPerfect & the next you're telling me He was the Perfect Sinless Man.
If you didn't spend so much time leaving your brain at 'the door' of demonic drudgery you would be able to read and comprehend the simplicity of the english language here but instead your christianized doctrines have obsessed you into a state of stupefaction'...
For when someone takes the time to share the simplicity of the gospel of Yeshua' the demons and their doctrines come out in christians and they can't comprehend anything beyond their indoctrinated biases...
John 15:22-24 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have (known) sin but now they have no excuse for their (knowledgable) sin. He who hates Me (by this knowledge) hates My Father also. If I had not done (a chosen sinless life) among them the works (of choosing not to sin) which no one else (is worthy of) did, they would not have (continued to live in) sin; but now they have both seen (my chosen sinless life) and hated Me and My Father as well. NASB ( ) my ephasis
Now go ahead and make your doctrinal exegesis spin to it and then when you and other christians do so then is when you fulfill what Yeshua spoke of which is to hate Him and His Father by not being obedient To His Father In Heaven by Yeshua' Life in showing and performing a sinless life aka not practicing sin.
Yet you christians have given yourselves the authority to sin daily cause you erroneously put on Yeshua' your sins to justify them instead.
Here's the Apostles Paul Confirmation that Jesus Christ Is GOD Which CONFIRMS John1:1 >>>
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Imperfect is defined as of, pertaining to, or characterized by defects or weaknesses: not perfect; lacking completeness.
Hebrews 5:7 In the days OF HIS FLESH, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to The One able TO SAVE Him from death, and He was heard because of HIS PIETY.
OF HIS FLESH means the flesh of man is imperfect.
TO SAVE Yeshua' from death aka YHVH resurrecting Him.
HIS PIETY clearly subordinates Yeshua' in the flesh to His Father.
Heb 5:8-9 Although He was a Son (in the flesh), He learned (to be complete in) obedience from the things (He lived in the flesh) which He suffered (by living in the flesh of imperfection). And having been MADE PERFECT He BECAME TO ALL THOSE WHO OBEY HIM the source (aka the gift) of eternal salvation,
MADE PERFECT implies clearly a previous imperfection.
BECAME TO ALL THOSE WHO OBEY HIM clearly implies His Example for all of THOSE that FOLLOW Him to live their lives by although BEING IMPERFECT!
Heb 5:10-12 BEING DESIGNATED by YHVH as A HIGH PRIEST according to THE ORDER of Melchizedek. CONCERNING HIM we HAVE MUCH TO SAY, and IT IS (HARD TO EXPLAIN), since YOU HAVE BECOME DULL OF HEARING. For though by this time YOU OUGHT TO BE teachers, YOU have NEED AGAIN for SOMEONE TO TEACH YOU THE elementary PRINCIPLES of THE ORACLES of YHVH, and YOU have come to NEED MILK and not solid food.
So A7 you and your christians can see that this ignorance of yours has not changed in two millennia since.
And know full well that this scripture has been fulfilled in your understanding for today but those that practice sin and revel in their imperfect state will mock their High Priest by their unwillingness to leave their sins behind.
Therefore Repent unto YHVH which is Yeshua' Elohym and walk before YHVH Yeshua' Elohym circumspectively and be willing to humble yourselves before His Throne and Majesty for when Yeshua' Our King comes soon He will be judging the nations by YHVH' WILL.
The words have been written and your choice awaits you; denying that THE TRUTH has been spoken to you will not be denied by you on your day of judgement...
When you fall before The Throne Of Yahveh and His Son Yeshua' judges you thereby His Father' Will you'll know then that here today you and others were warned of your idolatries before HIM...
Throughout the bible the word Lord is used to represent Jesus and the father, is that a coincidence?
why did Jesus say the following to satan:
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Unless Jesus is God it would make no sense for Him to say this.
If you love God as you say you do,, Humble yourself, ask God to reveal if you might be incorrect in your view of Jesus He will give wisdom to all who ask. but you have to ask with an open heart.
"Unless Jesus is God it would make no sense for Him to say this." - judgementapproaches
Yeshua' (Jesus) is The Son Of Yahveh yet your own judgement has mangled His Words to mean something that only men like you have obfuscated by making unto yourself another gospel...
"If you love God - Humble yourself - ask God to reveal if you might be incorrect in your view of Jesus - you have to ask with an open heart." - judgementapproaches
judgementapproaches take your own advice then you may be saved!
Throughout the scriptures the word 'LORD' is used to represent YHVH not Yeshua' (Jesus) just THE EXISTING ONE, is that a coincidence that 'the scribes' of 'the scriptures' decided to conceal 'the name' of The Most High Elohym which is YHVH?
In Matthew 4:7 Yeshua' was dispelling His Father' Adversary with Yeshua' Elohym' Words which is YHVH Elohym...
Yeshua' Is The Son Of YHVH and His Father is Yeshua' Elohym this makes perfect sense not 'a trinitarian' idol image nonsense...
i think every1 of us are the sons of god everyone of us jesus was the potentail of us all when we embrace love as jesus said himaself there is no sin to know that which u are u must know that which u are not so that u may trulely know that which u are peace an love u all
"DEFINITELY NOT "idolatry" TO WORSHIP JESUS as chistianizers accuses... THE BIBLE COMMANDS worship to JESUS !!
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, ( THIS IS WORSHIP!!!)
Lord touch the eyes help us see give us ears to hear bring us into all truth and destroy every evil thing that comes against the knowledge of truth in Jesus name amen tx abba"
DEFINITELY NOT "idolatry" TO WORSHIP JESUS as chistianizer accuses... THE BIBLE COMMANDS worship to JESUS !!
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, ( THIS IS WORSHIP!!!)
Lord touch the eyes help us see give us ears to hear bring us into all truth and destroy every evil thing that comes against the knowledge of truth in Jesus name amen tx abba
Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP.
WORSHIP AND POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
All hail Jesus' Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALLLHOLY, HOLY, HOLY!
In Jesus Name, I exercise delegated authority from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ over all the evil spirits and demons who have been assigned to any of Gods children All such demonic beings are not allowed to divide and are to be BOUND GAGGED and separated from every human part of the person that they inhabit Nothing from the evil spiritual realm is to transfer power to any other spirits or call for reinforcements and are to remain bound until dismissed LORD REVEAL THE PATH they are on turn hearts
Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP.
WORSHIP AND POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
All hail Jesus' Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALLLHOLY, HOLY, HOLY!
in Jesus Name all ANTICHRIST SPIRITS alllll DECEPTION and alll PERVERSION and all associated spirits ARE BOUND GAGGED AND IMMOBILE, AND IN MANIFOLD TORMENT beyond any they have ever known or given to any other, doubled again and again UNTIL THEIR PERMANENT DEPARTURE FROM US AMEN!!! JESUS IS LORD!
Lord reveal to this one where his path is leading, bless him with a revelation of WHO YOU ARE JESUS AMEN!!
HOLY HOLY HOLY THOU ARE WORTHY TO BE PRAISE JESUS GLORY TO GOD!!!
In Jesus Name, I exercise delegated authority from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ over all the lower levels of evil spirits and demons who have been assigned to any of Gods children. All such demonic beings are not allowed to divide and are to be BOUND GAGGED and separated from every human part of the person that they inhabit. Nothing from the evil spiritual realm is to transfer power to any other spirits or call for reinforcements, and are to remain bound until dismissed. Lord reveal the truthamen
"Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP
POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb for ever and ever
All hail Jesus Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALL HOLY HOLY, HOLY!
Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb for ever and ever
All hail Jesus Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALL HOLY HOLY, HOLY!
in Jesus Name ALL PERVERSION AND ALL ANTICHRIST SPIRITS ALLL DECEPTION IS BOUND AND GAGGED AND IN MANIFOLD TORMENT UNTIL THEIR PERMANENT DEPARTURE FROM US AMEN!!! JESUS IS LORD!
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth( WORSHIP!!!)
IT IS NOT IDOLATRY TO WORSHIP JESUS... THE BIBLE COMMANDS IT !!
you speak of 'integrity' yet you get your clones to remove my comments about your antichrist spirit!
In the name of JESUS....i take authority over all ANTICHRIST SPIRITS and call them BOUND GAGGED and IMMOBILE amen Lord Let them BE exposed now in THE LIGHT of truth with all associated spirits, allll are in torment beyond any they have ever known or given to any other until their permanent departure from us in JESUS NAME AMEN Lord, destroy all blinds veils and scales, bring us into all truth Thankyou Jesus (Acts 10:36 ...Jesus Christ ... is LORD OF ALL!!)
you speak of integrity yet you get your clones to remove my comments about your antichrist spirit.
you deny demons exist yet you accuse me of being opressed.
1Cr 2:14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
SADLY, you do not EVEN know HIM...WORSHIP TO JESUS IS COMMANDED NOT IDOLATRY
Phl 2:10THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW (WORSHIP!!)
You are right about one thing i see in the spirit, i see spiritual attachments to you Christianizers ...i see antichrist spirit i see perversion religious spirits, and many others... heed the warning ! You need JESUS TO SAVE YOU. YOU NEED HIS BLOOD AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT TO BE SAVED. It is NOT IDOLATRY to worship JESUS, the bible COMMANDS IT in soo many scriptures!!!
Who is the LORD OF ALLL??? JESUS IS THE LORD OF ALL!!! (Acts 10:36)
Christianizers, DENYING that demons exist further demonstrates you dont believe the whole bible. Mar 16:17
Phl 2:10THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW (WORSHIP!!),
of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;And [that] EVERY TONGUE should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born.. his name shall becalled ..THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(GODHEAD Col 2:9)
1) If you don't have the integrity to even watch and listen to someone's video then I'd venture to say that anyone that does that and still posts a comment is disingenuous at best...
2) If men are terrestrial and angels are celestial what exactly is the definition of divinity to you and since when can men comprehend angels aka going to Divinity School?
3) Therefore James define the word divinity and then when you've done so define also the word deity then we'll chat about this, again...
Integrity? I simply haven't watched it yet becasue I am using a laptop in room with other people and cannot at this point turn the volume up. I have read a lot in this area so I know all the objections made against the deity of Christ. I will watch the video but I was simply putting my side of the argument across through some links so the person who made the video, or others who are watching it, can check them at their leisure. Deity=the uncreated being that made the universe. I haven't(cont)...
But your divine/deity argument makes Yeshua' out to be an incarnation of His Father and this violates The First Commandment of YHVH; so like you I don't wish to debate but to be A Witness For Yeshua' and Our Father instead you share of mans doctrines and definitions but I inquired of your OWN DEFINITION not mans!
Whether you believe The Essence of Our Father and His Son is something added to scripture by inference is your choice to live by not to evangelize by is all I'm sharing!
part2 (cont)...got time to get involved in a debate on this kind of issue (it's a big topic) right now simply because I am writing an article for a website at present & I am, athough I wasn't seeking it, also involved in a debate with another person on a different biblical issue which is taking up my time. So, again, I'm simply putting the links there so people who maybe are interested in the issue can read scholarly arguments that they may not have heard before.
Fair enough; is good enough for us as fleshly men like Adam but we must come to The Throne Of YHVH by His Son' Mediation to gain Our Father' Grace in being obedient to HIM by His Son' Commending Example to walk this life in the fearing honor of YHVH' BOUNDLESS MAJESTY!
And I encourage you to stand only IN HIS WORDS of testimony by His Prophets and HIS ONLY SON' WITNESS that YHVH has redeemed men from the curse of death by HIS SONS being obedient to HIS COMMANDS like His Son Yeshua'...
Nowhere in scripture does Yeshua' claim that He Himself is the personification of His Father yet religious doctrine was made into law over 1500 years ago with the trinitas doctrine that they make men bow down to within their idolatries!
Now if you wish to state by YHVH' INSTRUCTION thru you that HE is instructing you to tell others that your revelation of HIM is a trinitas then go ahead and ignorantly continue to break your covenant with HIM in proclaiming thus allowing a manmade dogma to sin!
As I say, I haven't got time to get into a big debate on this, but just wanted to know in what century exactly do you believe the trinity doctrine first crept into the Church?
I'm encouraging you not telling you for only YHVH' SPIRIT can teach you to understand but if we keep ourselves into the books of mans theologies then The Will Of Our Father will fall to the wayside of becoming An Obedient Son instead becoming A Manipulated son of Mans Mandates!
Since The Council of Nicea the so called church and state has been legally By Their Decrees been murdering men and women all in the name of Their Catholic/Christian Legalities!
In response to my question about the trinity, you said, "Since The Council of Nicea the so called church and state has been legally By Their Decrees been murdering men and women all in the name of Their Catholic/Christian Legalities!"
All I wanted to know was when you believed that professing Christians first started teaching the trinity.
In the second century AD; well after the surviving disciples that walked with Yeshua' had departed this earth realm; for jewish kabbalism crept into the christian ideal of whom Yeshua' was.
Jewish Mysticism embodies the doctrines of 'godhead' and 'trinity' thru the sefirot imagery within 'the tree of life' that their rabbis have taught since coming back from the babylonian diaspora!
Christians within their christianities are ignorant of these doctrines that Saul/Paul understood about judaism!
OK, I haven't really looked deeply into Jewish mysticism, but most scholars - not to say the majority view has to be correct - believe the template for the trinity came from the Jewish wisdom literature of the intertestamental period (the rabbis also had their concept of the memra), and it was divine wisdom which the disciples identified HIm with, and which Jesus identified Himself with, in the NT writings.
The jewish mysticism of THE MEMRA was adopted by the western church fathers as THE WORD but don't put THIS ASSUMPTION on Yeshua and His Disciples Teachings for they DID NOT advocate Judaism!
Christianity has just instituted the anthropomorphism' of Judaism' Mysteries which is The Mystery Religion Of Babylon this is why John 1:1 is the hinge pin of Their Syncretized Beliefs!
Therefore THEIR RELIGIONS of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are just THEIR CABAL PRACTICES OF CHAOTIC PREDETERMINATIONS!
"The jewish mysticism of THE MEMRA was adopted by the western church fathers as THE WORD but don't put THIS ASSUMPTION on Yeshua and His Disciples Teachings..."
Well, John 1 has some obvious parallels with the memra concept (h t t p : // mafialords . c o m /Under_Boss . h t m #1 . %20The%20LOGOS). However the main point being that the disciples DID identify Jesus with divine wisdom of the intertestamental literature & Jesus Himself identified Himself as such. See previous links on (cont)...
And so is the institutional mandates of christianity.
Kabbala means Tradition aka The Traditions of Esoteric Theosophy and Theurgy...
But hey I'm not trying to convince you what to believe I'm just pointing out what you've been taught to believe and I'd love to see those scriptural references where you claim Yeshua' of Himself possessed such esoterical wisdom considering He only spoke what His Father instructed Him To Speak not magian'!
Slightly confused here because I got the exact same message sent to me by lockedupmanship. But, anyhow, I not sure I understand the wording of your comment or what yuou're getitng at. I assumed you believed the Bible was the word of God, but the fact that you said John 1 is "Jewish kabbalism" I guess mean you think otherwise, right?
Words interpreted by men 'do not' constitute 'the perfection' of YHVH' ESSENCE therefore scriptures are for instruction not for veneration which most religious people mistakenly do...
Aramaic Hebrew - Greek - Latin - Kings English to Middle English and then to present day English is a far cry from 'the exact words' of A Creator Speaking Precisely to be understood exactly by each of the afore mentioned language forms appropriately and they all vary so widely between syntax and expression.
Your words not mine "I assumed you believed the Bible was the word of God, but the fact that you said John 1 is "Jewish kabbalism" I guess mean you think otherwise, right?"
If everyone that read the bible received eternal life then practically noone would be denied its gift by YHVH so how this relates is that everything christianity is and believes has all been lost in the translation, literally.
Everyone that reads John 1:1 does not hinge pin their faith on it but theological trinitarians do!
Oops. I actually gave a wrong link earlier. The correct address is w w w . markdroberts . c o m /htmfiles/resources/jesusdivine . h t m #oct3104. On the other issue, my point was not really about John 1:1 per se but, as the link shows, about verses 1-18 and how it relates to the wisdom tradition (further explained at w w w . tektonics . o r g /jesusclaims/trinitydefense . h t m l)
I appreciate more your honest input than the links you've posted and now we come full circle to your initial posting here to Christian' video; with respect I will not be viewing your links but I offer an open invitation anytime you'd like to continue our sharing about whom 'the real' Yeshua' is rather than 'the religious' version of Him...
Till next time take care IN HIM and my hope IN YHVH is that HE BLESSES you with ONLY HIS GIVEN TRUTH...
Thank you. I hope He blesses you too. Yes, when I get more time (I'm a little snowed under at the minute with writing an article & also debating another user about replacement theology & end-time prophecy) I may debate with you about Yeshua
part2 (cont)...that one. Furthermore John 1itself identifies Jesus with divine wisdom in a number of ways (w w w . markdroberts . c o m /htmfiles/resources/jesusdivine . h t m#nov704)
Religion itself is nothing more than 'a testing' of ones heart by YHVH if you want your mind instead of your heart to believe in 'a god' that equates itself with YHVH then that is the chance you and religious people have chosen to take not me for I know whom Our Father is and doctrinal minded men are just deluded within their own sins and refuse to humble themselves before YHVH like Adam made the mistake in doing...
Yet Yeshua' shows us The Way To Eternal Life In HIS FATHER not in Illumination!
Evidenty you dont believe its important to know Jesus is God, but others believe it is VITAL to KNOW HIM in that way..they dont want anyone not to be saved..so their hearts are pure in their desire.
What if you are wrong in your view that it is not important?
Jhn 8:24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [HE], ye shall die in your sins.
Jesus himself repeatedly claimed GODS Name (Exodus 3:14)for himself
Our Messiah was a man. the Father YHWH, dwelt in him and the only way to the Father is through the Son.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Romans8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
we will be just like him if we make it to the kingdom.
oh and i love you all, and i want you all to know there is only 1 truth, thats all, anything that is not truth is a lie, and many people have been lied to, you cant just get the right picture it must be taught to you by the Holy Spirit of TRUTH. In him there is no Darkness, we must be the leavened bread of SINCERITY, (we all have sincerity) and TRUTH... TRUTH... TRUTH, his word is the truth, his word is spirit and TRUTH,
Wow. It's astonishing that you know so much of the Bible without understanding Jesus' deity. I'm not judging you. I'm not saying that this denial will lead you to hell (because I don't know for sure, only God does), but I am definitely saying you are wrong about this issue. I posted a few Scriptures that prove it on JoshnJesus's video response. Have a nice day.
I agree with you, but we do have the right to get angry. We have to be careful not to let our anger turn to sin. The reason why Christians say that Jesus Christ is God is because Christ is part of the Godhead. Out of the Godhead, you have God the Father, the Son of God, and God the Spirit. The Father is not Christ. The Holy Spirit is not Christ nor the Father. Trinity is not in the bible, but the Godhead is in the bible.
Three times in The KJV it mentions 'The Graven Image' of 'A Godhead' which The Translators from Greek to Latin and then to English coined this phrase which came from The Byzantine Texts but The Ethiopian Texts are older and more accrued to The Original Language Forms thus if you look in the NASB Version you do not see the word 'Godhead' because The NASB Translators were not looking for 'A Trinitarian Bias' like King James had done by the Popery's liking.
Did Adam walk in the garden with what appeared to him as 'A Head of ALL GOD'S'?
This is what 'A Godhead' implies.
YHVH [God] is spirit; HE is ABOVE ALL HIS CREATED BEINGS its just HIS CREATED BEINGS that bring HIM down to their finite understanding OF HIM.
YHVH created The Angels that DO NOT die like man and men since Adam have been calling Angels Divine Deities or God's just like The Greeks and Romans with their mythos of Zeus and his earthly sons; half god/half man.
His Son NOT CREATED but BEGOTTEN by HIM in the flesh...
His HOLY Set Apart SPIRIT IS HIS WILL toward ALL HIS CREATION...
Now,
When Fallen Angels and Men go beyond this is when they make unto themselves Their Own God's in trusting that their minds are endowed enough by the cursed 'Tree Of Knowledge' of becoming illuminated within fallen elohym knowledge that they understand and perceive A CREATOR and HIS SON that they've never seen before.
You say in response to me, "but serving God is not an idolatry".
We all must choose to follow and obey Our Father and His Commands which secondly states that we are to not have any graven images of Him made with mans hands...
Therefore we must ask ourselves "is not the interpretation of language forms and expressions thereof just an intuition of mans ability to create?"
Language gives to man impressions of imagery unlike beasts, birds or fish can't do which is to speak it and then create it.
I see where you are coming from. I believe in the deity of Christ, but I will never force this down someone's throat. The key is to love YHWH first, and then love thy neighbor. Christ's own words. I don't consider myself a Trinitarian, but I'm sorry the these people can't just let you have your relationship, and not just cut you off. I'm pretty shure Yahushua was a good listener. Otherwise if all he was cut people off he never would have been taken seriouly.
The word 'Godhead' itself comes from Old English it DOES NOT come from Greek, Latin or Hebrew therefore it is a western psychology within their belief systems of or about 'a deity' or 'deities' also the word 'deity' itself comes from Latin in its original form likewise this too is an inherited western thought.
Latin, French and Old/Middle English borrowed 'deity' from pagan gods of the Sunday=Sun, Monday=Moon, Tuesday=Mars, Wednesday=Mercury, Thursday=Jupiter, Friday=Venus and Saturday=Saturn.
I'm right there with you. I do not disagree, but you must remember YHWH begat Yahushua. So in a sense the very conscience of YHWH was in Christ. He was separate from us. No like us. That is why.
We must remember that Adam was created not to die much less reproduce for angels live eternally yet do not reproduce.
Therefore our finite relativity on the word 'begotten' [begat] is only based on a created [recreated] one so we must not make the mistake of assuming fully what Yeshua actually meant when He Said "No one has seen God [YHVH] at any time; The Only Begotten [Son Of] God [The Most High Elohym] who is IN THE BOSOM of THE FATHER, He [Yeshua] has explained HIM [YHVH]." NASB [ ] -mine
It would always be prudent on our part to consider what Yeshua' meant 'By Only' as 'UNIQUE'...
So consider...
Yeshua' The Uniquely Begotten Son Of YHVH.
Although this is difficult much less improbable to comprehend this IS WHAT Yeshua' was striving for truly OUR SPIRITS within us to comprehend and understand by The Mind Of Only HIS FATHER' SPIRIT teaching us this.
But when we compare our recreated minds with HIS or His Son' Essence this is where our souls fall short of knowing what HE BEGAT.
So would you agree that Christ is an extention and or part of YHWH in some manor? Also Angels did have children with women. As witnessed by Enoch. The women bore giants. So we must not forget this either.
nice vid ..i dont accept the trinity either..but i did obey acts 2:38
-also i like how u said it a relationship cuz thats how i see it ...its not a religion its a relationship cuz jesus greatest enemies were religious ppl ...
I agree bro - and had a few videos about it at one time - I took them down because I made the non-issue an issue by fighting with people who insist you have to believe as they do. I do accept the trinity - but its through the understanding God gave me of it - not through THEIR dogmatic approach to it... which means they give me crap too - Love ya man - you're in my prayers!
"Why do Christians argue that God needs them to defend Him by Theology and His Son by A Trinitarian Ideology?"
Is this not what The Talmudic Jews did in Jesus' Day?
So we must think not that we are greater than The Talmudic Jews for they sincerely considered themselves like today to be the defender's of The Only One True God yet did not Jesus admonish them in saying that they were really the children of the devil?
Good video!! I agree, we have to get the gospel out to the world and let them know about salvation. Recently, my husband and I built a cross, 8ft X5ft in size, and on both sides are "Christ Died 4 You." I did "cross witnessing" last week and the response was AWESOME!! I had my husband remove the wheel in order to readjust it, so once that is done, I'll be doing more witnessing with the cross.
Jesus = Yeshua ben Yoseph; David and by heaven YHVH.
Christ = Moshiach is The Redeemer by YHVH' HAND.
Is = 3rd person [to be] that which is expressed.
God = El or Elohym vs. THE LORD = YHVH The Most High.
I am not offended by your expression "Jesus Christ is God" but in order for me to be obedient to Our Father by His Son I must speak only that which I've learned by His Spirit vs. what the spirit of mens doctrines about Him and His Son have begotten in their interpretational doctrinal dogmas.
I understand you and christianity therefore I am not offended by what my father's before me also received by the predominance of Pauline Scriptures being syncretized by language forms that we here in the west consider to be an accurate verbal association of whom The Son Of God is...
But...
Why do Christians argue that God needs them to defend Him by Theology and His Son by A Trinitarian Ideology?
Are you dipping?
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lioninchains 1 year ago
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lioninchains 1 year ago
amen brother. some only can read the surface of the scripture. as Mathew 13:13 reads-'This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. '
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
AMEN bro...check out my channel bro...i believe we need to KNOW him tho,.,,trinity is FALSE doctrine anyhow.
we are to GO to them in the NAME (CHARACTER) of JESUS.....
LIFESTYLE IS THE KEY!
Matt 10/Luke 14
We must be FOUND in the CHARACTER/RIGHTEOUSNESS "of" GOD....no condemnation IF we walk after the spirit and NOT the flesh!
ONErighteousNESS 2 years ago
and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? isnt Christ the right hand/arm of God... the WAY He reaches down to us... you jump in that Hand...
SusieYeah33 2 years ago
Love you brother!! I share a quote with your viewers:
"It is not the theologian, who is most likely to receive the right impression from the study of Scripture--but the humble, simple-hearted, contemplative Christian.
The most learned and profound theologian must learn to sit at the feet of Jesus in the spirit of a child, or he is not likely to be edified by his studies."
Archibald Alexander, 1844
Blessings and love,
Rob
Rob87W 2 years ago 2
He was made perfect in his obedience in the same flesh we carry. The flesh he posessed had to be as our flesh in order to provide us with the strength to follow in his footsteps. Pick up your cross and follow. If he had perfect flesh then he would be a jerk to expect us to live up to the statement, be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect, seeing as we are so imperfect and he is so perfect. Being in very nature God is not being God. He gave us the perfect example by his obedience...
lioninchains 2 years ago
not by being God, but by being obedient to God, by allowing His word and his word alone be the very sustanance of his being in the flesh we all share. Inthis example he provided two very essential things. 1- the pledge of a good conscience toward God, which allows us to 2- Deny ourselves pick up our cross and follow.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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The apostle Paul states emphatically "GOD was Manifest in the FLESH"
Who was Manifest in the Flesh ?
Jesus Christ.
Actus7 2 years ago
Yes, he was showing us how to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. The problem here is not that I am denying the scripture as you keep claiming. The real problem is that You are denying that there is another way of seeing it that doesn't line up with your own. Can we at least agree on the fact that Jesus is Gods son. That he came in the flesh and died for your sins and for mine? Or must we strain gnats and swallow camels?
lioninchains 2 years ago
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lioninchains > you clearly have no appreciation of what you're truly saying.
Denying that Jesus Christ is God is not less than Blasphemous.
this is Not a trivial matter ie. straining gnats..
You're essentially saying "Sorry Jesus, you might be God, but i don't believe it.....you were God's son but Not God"
Staggering blindness.
lioninchains...you're under oppression because of your embrace of false blasphemous doctrines that you must Repent for believing & propagating.
Actus7 2 years ago
Who should I listen to, you who have only falsely accused me of denying my king of whom I have a living and growing relationship with in my heart, or him whom daily shows me examples of his love in my life. As paul says the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. Unless you can still the still small voice in my heart and cause the changes in my life he has made. You really have no ground to stand on in your judgement of me. Please, PUT DOWN YOUR SWORD PETER...
lioninchains 2 years ago
After learning obedience through his suffering, which by the way is the cup he was reffering to when talking to the mother of the sons of thunder, when they were claiming seats, then and only then was he lifted up in THE FLESH to be seated at the right hand of the Father. Before this he was of the Father in much the same way your unborn sons and daughters are of you.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
1Jo 5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
the Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit.
AND "the WORD" Became Flesh & the WORD was With God and the WORD WAS GOD.
Great is the Mystery of Godliness.
Actus7 2 years ago
"Father, I pray that they may be one with me as I am one with you..." A complete unity of thought mind and purpose. This little gem right here is the foundation for my quadrinity video. Pre destined pre chosen, that is in him in the beginning. So I'm false. Move on brother unless arguing is more important to you than helping orphans and widows in their distress and keeping clean.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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lioninchains......your pride is exposed.
don't assume i don't care for the lost, weak & poor, merely because i contend against false doctrines.
your pride has risen up in spite being shown scripture that exposes your deception.
You refuse to accept scripture & create your own doctrines that suit you.
Actus7 2 years ago
my pride? Good, the sons of God resort to name calling and accusation. You are doing far worse to me and yet when it comes back to you you react as a pharisee. Interesting...
lioninchains 2 years ago
"I'm not an illigitiate child I'm only deffending faith against false gospels." This is not going to hold water in his presence when he looks at the way in which you dealt with me. I will say again, it is not me who stumbled upon you and openly started underming your views.
lioninchains 2 years ago
Act...us...7...
Your christian doctrine is really 'a catholic confessional' because you and others have made Saul/Paul your legalized High Priest and god...
A7 I have been dealing with you and christianities pride now for all my life for you have no salvation without obeying YHVH' WORDS...
You zealots are nothing more than pseudo catholic cronies and you are ignorant to that simple truth for Yeshua' was not a catholic or christian church goer...
Except it judgement is coming; don't deny it!
Christianizers 2 years ago
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lioninchains > your understanding that Jesus Christ is Not God is Not supported by scripture.
I've provided scriptures below.
Do you believe Paul's Testimony ?
Do you believe John's testimony ?
If not, you're deceived.
I can promise you, you're creating your own doctrine because scripture does not support your ideas.
you're using your 'rational' mind to understand the things of God....not possible.
the rational mind is enmity with God.
Actus7 2 years ago
It takes a rational mind to argue. I'm not the one in arguement here. I am merely standing on my faith in HIM.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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lioninchains > you're provided No Scripture to support you "idea", Just your Opinion.
Read the scriptures I provided and believe them.
Actus7 2 years ago
Are you deff? What about Peter's testimony of Christ don't YOU understand.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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lioninchains.....Paul the Apostle does NOT Agree with you !
John the Apostle does NOT Agree with you !
Scripture does NOT contradict Scripture....thus your understanding of Peter's statement are Wrong becaue John & Paul AGREE.
Do you 'lioninchains' know better than Paul & John ?
Clearly you think you do.
You're Deceived and your pride has risen up.
Again, your spiritual oppression is due to your embracing Lying doctrines of devils and propagating them.
Actus7 2 years ago
fine, then move on You win....
May Jesus our king bless you
lioninchains 2 years ago
pride, such is the case. Reduced to name calling our own brothers. No wonder the atheists mock us. We can't even agree amongst ourselves. Honestly, who really wants to be a part of a kingdom where none of the subjects even see their king the same way. The message of Gods love is infinitely more important than any of these controversies and yet my own brethren are willing to curse me as false for the sake of doctrine. Are we not all imperfect in the face of God's love?
lioninchains 2 years ago
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lioninchains > Answer this for yourself.....God Forbids the Worship of ANY other, except Himself.....YET....Scripture Tells the ANGELS to WORSHIP Jesus >>>
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM
You use your 'rational' mind to work out the mysteries of God....this will get you into trouble 'lioninchains' as it already has.
Actus7 2 years ago
again I'm not the one passing judgement here. If I did I think I would have a bit more ground to stand on. I worship him and am on my face before him often. Here you are making your assumptions on me and deeming me to be in trouble when you yourself are in the straights of a contentious spirit. It is obvious by what you choose to say to me and about the private affairs of my heart. For who can read a heart but our Father in heaven. No brother I fear it is you who tread in dagerous steps.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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lioninchains....Scripture says this >>> luke 6:45 "....for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. "
lioninchains....you cannot discern between contending earnestly for the faith.
you don't seem to care for sound doctrine even though the bible clearly states false doctrine will lead you to hell.
lioninchains prefers to 'keep the peace' and not expose lies and deception.
so be it......your choice, albeit contrary to scripture.
Actus7 2 years ago
A7...
Why don't you move on with your dogmatic doctrines?
You have asked and you have been answered to; know we accept that you have chosen a catholic-christian doctrine to live by...
Leave it at that!
We don't condemn you; we have just warned you...
Unless you leave then this makes you a proselytizer for a religion instead of being 'a peaceful' follower of Yeshua'...
NOW LEAVE IF NOT YOU REMAIN IN YOUR SIN!!!
Christianizers 2 years ago
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christianizer > tell me why God the Father shares His throne with Jesus Christ at His Right Hand ???
the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit & these Three are ONE.
Scripture is True.
Actus7 2 years ago
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1 Corinthians 2:9-11
Here's another Scripture for you 'lioninchains' which refutes your claim that we must use our 'rational' mind to work out the things of God >>>
1Corinthian2:
10But God hath revealed them unto us BY HIS SPIRIT for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Actus7 2 years ago
twisting my words. I never said this. It is you who by your actions are standing on this ground.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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lioninchains > the irony is, your only support is this Liar called "christianizers'....you're not in good company.
how do i know he's a Liar, apart from deny Jesus Christ is God ?
He accuses me that quoting scripture is equivalent to what the devil did to Jesus, he fails to mention that Jesus countered satan with scripture....this is what scripture says 'lioninchains' >>>>
1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him SPEAK AS THE ORACLES OF GOD;
Actus7 2 years ago
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Actus7 you made some great points and comments on this thread, soo sad they all got voted off and so did mine and everyone else that LOVES JESUS AS LORD AND GOD.
How pathetic and weak..christianzers, lockmanship and all the other clones of the SAME person that cant allow the TRUTH here because it shines the light on the antichrist, deception and perversion that rules him currently
so sad, i pray he would set aside his pride and ask Jesus to come into his life and cleanse and sanctify amenPTL
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
A7 quoting scriptures is what YHVH' ADVERSARY performed in order to justify his contention that Yeshua' was not The Son Of Yahveh...
Unlike Yeshua' you required of me proof in the scriptures and they were proved for you but you choose to interpret them by a catholic-christian dogma.
Quote what you wish to convince you of your ongoing sins against YHVH' COMMANDS but only obedience TO HIM by HIS SON' EXAMPLE his how everyones life must FOLLOW.
No demonic doctrines will save you from your works!
Christianizers 2 years ago 2
"Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up, a man thinks he knows many things but he does not yet know as he ought to know, the man that loves God is known by God." "Jesus Christ and him crucified..." here's my scripture. Now you will respond, "Oh your taking it out of context." right? You're making just as many assumptions of me as I am and what's worse you are sure God is backing you up on it. There is no statement where he says where ever two or more of you argue I am there.
lioninchains 2 years ago
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"lioninchains" how could Jesus Christ pay the penalty of sin for the whole world if He were Not Perfect, Not God ?
See your latest vid for Scriptures prove Jesus Christ is God.
'lioninchains' you claim that it's no 'big deal' to acknowledge Jesus as God.
So Since Jesus is God do you truly believe He doesn't mind you playing down that He is Creator of All ?
John1:1 In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, & the WORD WAS GOD....& the WORD Becames FLESH & Dwelt Among Us
Actus7 2 years ago
Being the perfect son, that is the second life renewing Adam, something we can attain to, is not the same as being the Father. HOW CAN YOU play down Gods perfection. "Good teacher what must I do to be saved?" "Why do you call me good, there is only one who is good, Our Father in heaven." And as far as this very worn out Jn 1:1 look at Hebrews where Levi was quoted as still in the body of his ancestor. This was obviously a common thought process in this time.
lioninchains 2 years ago
You deem Jesus to be God and you have made it impossible for us to reach him and become co-heirs. How many people when I have told him they need to step up and follow, have come back with I'm not Jesus. Why? Because they believe he is God and there for unreachable. And yet, "I tell you the truth he who believes in me shall do these things I do and greater." For as Paul says, the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk, but of power.
lioninchains 2 years ago
And as far as these scriptures are concerned, I have one question? Does'nt the devil and the pharisee use scripture to drive their every point home? Wasn't Jesus the one proving his point by what he chose to do and did'nt he call us to pick up our cross and follow? Since when did he ever comission us to theological study and debate. You pubically confess the futility of this on your own main page and yet go elsewhere to show your true colors. HMMMM.
lioninchains 2 years ago
Act...us...7...
A7 how could Yeshua' become 'The Sacrificial Lamb' for all of YHVH' CREATION if Yeshua' came 'in the flesh' as 'a man' and willingly chose to be obedient to His Father' Commands in doing so in order 'to redeem' all men back unto YHVH?
A7 if you say Yeshua' was perfect and you caveat it with 'the penalty' of sin you are calling YHVH and HIS SON a liar for Yeshua' was 100% IMPERFECT MAN and 100% OBEDIENT TO YHVH MAN and as for all other men THEY likewise must choose not to sin.
Christianizers 2 years ago
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'christianizers' you've created your own doctrine, a false one at that.
this is what scripture says about Jesus, countering your blasphemous statement when you said "Yeshua was 100% IMPerfect amn.....
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Jesus Christ was the Sacrificial Lamb because He was WITHOUT SPOT OR BLEMISH ie. NO SIN, PURE, PERFECT.
How Can that Be ???
Because He, Yeshua was God in the Flesh as Scriptures Reveal.
Actus7 2 years ago
Act...us...7...
It is ironic that you would point the finger at me regarding 'one' creating their own doctrine...
What do you think 'the ecumenical councils' are for?
Could it be that they were creating 'church doctrine'?
And; isn't it 'these laws' that are imprisoned within your mind that has captured 'your spirit' in possessing said doctrines?
A7 you and 'the institution' of christianity is nothing more than pseudo religiosity's that are based on 'scripture' but not obedient to its truth!
Christianizers 2 years ago
Act...us...7...
Here is the fallacy of the 'penalty of sin' doctrine...
All men and women will be judged by YHVH and His Given Son' Appointments by what each one of them 'worked' within 'the flesh' yet 'the doctrine' states that 'their works' of sin are forgiven aka past, present and future but clearly this 'is a lie' cause as we understand it in the scriptures all men will be judged thereby...
This doctrine is only used to justify peoples sins in the flesh by not being accountable to YHVH.
Christianizers 2 years ago
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christianizer > no one mentioned the 'penalty of sin' doctrine.
i addressed you blasphemous statement the Yeshua was an IMPerfect man.
Scripture Refutes your blasphemous statement.
Don't try to tell me i mentioned anything other than that....you're clearly showing your deluded bias.
how can i call you deluded ?
because you just claimed Yeshua was IMPerfect when Scripture Destroys your Blasphemous statement.
Actus7 2 years ago
...CORRECTION...
Act...us...7... QUOTE;
"lioninchains" how could "JESUS CHRIST PAY THE PENALTY OF SIN" for the whole world if He were Not Perfect, Not God ?"
And then A7 misquotes himself by texting;
"christianizer > no one mentioned the 'penalty of sin' doctrine."
A7 the scriptures clearly say that Yeshua' was born and lived in the same flesh as you and I therefore His Existence in the flesh as you and I was just as imperfect yet what He Chose In The Flesh made Him The Perfect Sinless Man!
Christianizers 2 years ago
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christianizer > you're rambling....you contradict yourself....in one breathe you claim Jesus was IMPerfect & the next you're telling me He was the Perfect Sinless Man.
You're seriously confused.
Actus7 2 years ago
Act...us...7...
If you didn't spend so much time leaving your brain at 'the door' of demonic drudgery you would be able to read and comprehend the simplicity of the english language here but instead your christianized doctrines have obsessed you into a state of stupefaction'...
For when someone takes the time to share the simplicity of the gospel of Yeshua' the demons and their doctrines come out in christians and they can't comprehend anything beyond their indoctrinated biases...
So be it...
Christianizers 2 years ago
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christianizer > again you're rambling.....you provide no scripture to justify for blasphemous statment that Jesus Christ was an IMPerfect man.
You're a Liar 'christianizer' & and Blasphemous one at that.
I provided you with Scripture rebutting your Lie, yet all we hear from you is your vile tongue & reckless thoughts.
Actus7 2 years ago
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christianizer > provide scripture that supports your statement that "Jesus was an IMPerfect man"
please....we're ALL waiting.
If not, shut your Lying tongue.
Actus7 2 years ago
Yeshua' Words;
John 15:22-24 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have (known) sin but now they have no excuse for their (knowledgable) sin. He who hates Me (by this knowledge) hates My Father also. If I had not done (a chosen sinless life) among them the works (of choosing not to sin) which no one else (is worthy of) did, they would not have (continued to live in) sin; but now they have both seen (my chosen sinless life) and hated Me and My Father as well. NASB ( ) my ephasis
Christianizers 2 years ago
Act...us...7...
Now go ahead and make your doctrinal exegesis spin to it and then when you and other christians do so then is when you fulfill what Yeshua spoke of which is to hate Him and His Father by not being obedient To His Father In Heaven by Yeshua' Life in showing and performing a sinless life aka not practicing sin.
Yet you christians have given yourselves the authority to sin daily cause you erroneously put on Yeshua' your sins to justify them instead.
So be it when judgement comes!
Christianizers 2 years ago
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Here's the Apostles Paul Confirmation that Jesus Christ Is GOD Which CONFIRMS John1:1 >>>
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Actus7 2 years ago
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christianizer > please explain to the audience how John15:22-24 can be interpreted in your words that "Jesus was 100% IMPerfect man" ?
the Only Reason you conjure your own doctrine, claiming Jesus was IMPerfect, is because you Refuse to Accept He was God Incarnate.
John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God & the Word WAS GOD.....And the WORD became FLESH & Dwealt Among Us !
Jesus Christ BECAME FLESH & Dwelt Among Us.....& the WORD Was With God and the WORD WAS GOD.
Actus7 2 years ago
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Imperfect is defined as of, pertaining to, or characterized by defects or weaknesses: not perfect; lacking completeness.
Hebrews 5:7 In the days OF HIS FLESH, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to The One able TO SAVE Him from death, and He was heard because of HIS PIETY.
OF HIS FLESH means the flesh of man is imperfect.
TO SAVE Yeshua' from death aka YHVH resurrecting Him.
HIS PIETY clearly subordinates Yeshua' in the flesh to His Father.
Christianizers 2 years ago
Heb 5:8-9 Although He was a Son (in the flesh), He learned (to be complete in) obedience from the things (He lived in the flesh) which He suffered (by living in the flesh of imperfection). And having been MADE PERFECT He BECAME TO ALL THOSE WHO OBEY HIM the source (aka the gift) of eternal salvation,
MADE PERFECT implies clearly a previous imperfection.
BECAME TO ALL THOSE WHO OBEY HIM clearly implies His Example for all of THOSE that FOLLOW Him to live their lives by although BEING IMPERFECT!
Christianizers 2 years ago
Heb 5:10-12 BEING DESIGNATED by YHVH as A HIGH PRIEST according to THE ORDER of Melchizedek. CONCERNING HIM we HAVE MUCH TO SAY, and IT IS (HARD TO EXPLAIN), since YOU HAVE BECOME DULL OF HEARING. For though by this time YOU OUGHT TO BE teachers, YOU have NEED AGAIN for SOMEONE TO TEACH YOU THE elementary PRINCIPLES of THE ORACLES of YHVH, and YOU have come to NEED MILK and not solid food.
So A7 you and your christians can see that this ignorance of yours has not changed in two millennia since.
Christianizers 2 years ago
(FULFILLMENT)
And know full well that this scripture has been fulfilled in your understanding for today but those that practice sin and revel in their imperfect state will mock their High Priest by their unwillingness to leave their sins behind.
Therefore Repent unto YHVH which is Yeshua' Elohym and walk before YHVH Yeshua' Elohym circumspectively and be willing to humble yourselves before His Throne and Majesty for when Yeshua' Our King comes soon He will be judging the nations by YHVH' WILL.
Christianizers 2 years ago
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christianizer > again you're making up you're own interpretation.
Perfection Means SINLESS.
You simply fabricate these Lies to convince yourself that Jesus Christ is Not God.
Sorry, this is what John said >>>
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD & THE WORD WAS WITH GOD & THE WORD WAS GOD......
NOTE....AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE THOUGH HIM AND WITHOUT HIM NOTHING WAS MADE THAT WAS MADE.....AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWEALT AMONG US.
THE WORD BECAME FLESH.
Actus7 2 years ago
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The words have been written and your choice awaits you; denying that THE TRUTH has been spoken to you will not be denied by you on your day of judgement...
FOR YOU HAVE BEEN SPOKEN TO...
SO BE IT FOR YOU...
Selah...
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Christianizers 2 years ago
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When you fall before The Throne Of Yahveh and His Son Yeshua' judges you thereby His Father' Will you'll know then that here today you and others were warned of your idolatries before HIM...
So be it for you or repent before YHVH' THRONE...
Selah...
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Christianizers 2 years ago
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christianizer > you're a deceived man.
Jesus Christ sits at the Right hand of God the Father !
Does God share His Throne of Glory ???
the answer is NO.
The Father, The Word & the Holy Spirit & these THREE ARE ONE.
You silly men think you can understand the mysteries of God by being "Rational"
the irony is "lioninchains" claims to hear from God Yet on these matters of great importance he uses his "rational" mind.
God says the mind of man is enmity with Him.
Actus7 2 years ago
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Throughout the bible the word Lord is used to represent Jesus and the father, is that a coincidence?
why did Jesus say the following to satan:
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Unless Jesus is God it would make no sense for Him to say this.
If you love God as you say you do,, Humble yourself, ask God to reveal if you might be incorrect in your view of Jesus He will give wisdom to all who ask. but you have to ask with an open heart.
judgementapproaches 2 years ago
"Unless Jesus is God it would make no sense for Him to say this." - judgementapproaches
Yeshua' (Jesus) is The Son Of Yahveh yet your own judgement has mangled His Words to mean something that only men like you have obfuscated by making unto yourself another gospel...
"If you love God - Humble yourself - ask God to reveal if you might be incorrect in your view of Jesus - you have to ask with an open heart." - judgementapproaches
judgementapproaches take your own advice then you may be saved!
Christianizers 2 years ago
...CORRECTION...
Throughout the scriptures the word 'LORD' is used to represent YHVH not Yeshua' (Jesus) just THE EXISTING ONE, is that a coincidence that 'the scribes' of 'the scriptures' decided to conceal 'the name' of The Most High Elohym which is YHVH?
In Matthew 4:7 Yeshua' was dispelling His Father' Adversary with Yeshua' Elohym' Words which is YHVH Elohym...
Yeshua' Is The Son Of YHVH and His Father is Yeshua' Elohym this makes perfect sense not 'a trinitarian' idol image nonsense...
Christianizers 2 years ago
i think every1 of us are the sons of god everyone of us jesus was the potentail of us all when we embrace love as jesus said himaself there is no sin to know that which u are u must know that which u are not so that u may trulely know that which u are peace an love u all
cashfan123 2 years ago
good video God bless you 5 stars
Romanian97 2 years ago
And be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.
ManicDepressive101 2 years ago
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the view count has been 301 for days now!
"DEFINITELY NOT "idolatry" TO WORSHIP JESUS as chistianizers accuses... THE BIBLE COMMANDS worship to JESUS !!
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, ( THIS IS WORSHIP!!!)
Lord touch the eyes help us see give us ears to hear bring us into all truth and destroy every evil thing that comes against the knowledge of truth in Jesus name amen tx abba"
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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DEFINITELY NOT "idolatry" TO WORSHIP JESUS as chistianizer accuses... THE BIBLE COMMANDS worship to JESUS !!
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, ( THIS IS WORSHIP!!!)
Lord touch the eyes help us see give us ears to hear bring us into all truth and destroy every evil thing that comes against the knowledge of truth in Jesus name amen tx abba
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP.
WORSHIP AND POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
All hail Jesus' Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALLLHOLY, HOLY, HOLY!
JESUS IS LORD!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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one part of Actually KNOWING JESUS is to KNOW what the bible says about Him!
JESUS is THE WORD made flesh(Jhn 1:14)
HE always existed(Jhn 1:1)
And HE created ALLLL things(Jhn 1:3)
He is part of "the Godhead"(Col 2:9)
HE is sinless(1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5) and a perfect sacrifice( 9:11-12)
"EMANUEL" MEANS God with us (Mat 1:23)
ONLY GOD is to be worshipped yet Jesus accepted worship.
"HIS NAME shall be ...THE Mighty God"(Isa 9:6;Jer 32:18)
it takes very little study to know Jesus is God!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of [things] ( WORSHIP!!!)
DEFINITELY NOT " IDOLATRY" TO WORSHIP JESUS... BIBLE COMMANDS IT !!
Luk 19:40if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
"HIS NAME shall be ...THE Mighty God"(Isa 9:6;Jer 32:18)
JESUS is THE WORD made flesh(Jhn 1:14)
HE always existed(Jhn 1:1)
And HE created ALLLL things(Jhn 1:3)
He is part of "the Godhead"(Col 2:9)
HE is sinless(1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5)
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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In Jesus Name, I exercise delegated authority from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ over all the evil spirits and demons who have been assigned to any of Gods children All such demonic beings are not allowed to divide and are to be BOUND GAGGED and separated from every human part of the person that they inhabit Nothing from the evil spiritual realm is to transfer power to any other spirits or call for reinforcements and are to remain bound until dismissed LORD REVEAL THE PATH they are on turn hearts
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP.
WORSHIP AND POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
All hail Jesus' Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALLLHOLY, HOLY, HOLY!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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in Jesus Name all ANTICHRIST SPIRITS alllll DECEPTION and alll PERVERSION and all associated spirits ARE BOUND GAGGED AND IMMOBILE, AND IN MANIFOLD TORMENT beyond any they have ever known or given to any other, doubled again and again UNTIL THEIR PERMANENT DEPARTURE FROM US AMEN!!! JESUS IS LORD!
Lord reveal to this one where his path is leading, bless him with a revelation of WHO YOU ARE JESUS AMEN!!
HOLY HOLY HOLY THOU ARE WORTHY TO BE PRAISE JESUS GLORY TO GOD!!!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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In Jesus Name, I exercise delegated authority from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ over all the lower levels of evil spirits and demons who have been assigned to any of Gods children. All such demonic beings are not allowed to divide and are to be BOUND GAGGED and separated from every human part of the person that they inhabit. Nothing from the evil spiritual realm is to transfer power to any other spirits or call for reinforcements, and are to remain bound until dismissed. Lord reveal the truthamen
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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i will keep posting it so dont bother deleating it..., you and christizers are one and the same arent you!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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"Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP
POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb for ever and ever
All hail Jesus Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALL HOLY HOLY, HOLY!
WORSHIP JESUS NOW B4 HELL!"
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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Thou art worthy, O Lord JESUS, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AND WORSHIP POWER be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb for ever and ever
All hail Jesus Name, Holy Messiah, King of Kings. LORD OF HOSTS, LORD OF ALL HOLY HOLY, HOLY!
WORSHIP JESUS NOW B4 HELL!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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in Jesus Name ALL PERVERSION AND ALL ANTICHRIST SPIRITS ALLL DECEPTION IS BOUND AND GAGGED AND IN MANIFOLD TORMENT UNTIL THEIR PERMANENT DEPARTURE FROM US AMEN!!! JESUS IS LORD!
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth( WORSHIP!!!)
IT IS NOT IDOLATRY TO WORSHIP JESUS... THE BIBLE COMMANDS IT !!
you speak of 'integrity' yet you get your clones to remove my comments about your antichrist spirit!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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In the name of JESUS....i take authority over all ANTICHRIST SPIRITS and call them BOUND GAGGED and IMMOBILE amen Lord Let them BE exposed now in THE LIGHT of truth with all associated spirits, allll are in torment beyond any they have ever known or given to any other until their permanent departure from us in JESUS NAME AMEN Lord, destroy all blinds veils and scales, bring us into all truth Thankyou Jesus (Acts 10:36 ...Jesus Christ ... is LORD OF ALL!!)
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Christianizers 2 years ago
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you speak of integrity yet you get your clones to remove my comments about your antichrist spirit.
you deny demons exist yet you accuse me of being opressed.
1Cr 2:14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
SADLY, you do not EVEN know HIM...WORSHIP TO JESUS IS COMMANDED NOT IDOLATRY
Phl 2:10THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW (WORSHIP!!)
JESUS IS LORD!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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You are right about one thing i see in the spirit, i see spiritual attachments to you Christianizers ...i see antichrist spirit i see perversion religious spirits, and many others... heed the warning ! You need JESUS TO SAVE YOU. YOU NEED HIS BLOOD AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT TO BE SAVED. It is NOT IDOLATRY to worship JESUS, the bible COMMANDS IT in soo many scriptures!!!
Who is the LORD OF ALLL??? JESUS IS THE LORD OF ALL!!! (Acts 10:36)
You are a false teacher!!!!
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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Christianizers, DENYING that demons exist further demonstrates you dont believe the whole bible. Mar 16:17
Phl 2:10THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW (WORSHIP!!),
of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;And [that] EVERY TONGUE should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born.. his name shall becalled ..THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(GODHEAD Col 2:9)
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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Christianizers 2 years ago
I haven't watched the video but I'm judging from reading the comments section that you deny the divinity of Jesus. If so, this may help:
w w w . tektonics . o r g /guest/holtb01 . h t m l
w w w . tektonics . o r g /jesusclaims/trinitydefense . h t m l
w w w . christian-thinktank . c o m/trin02 . h t m l
james46888 2 years ago
James
1) If you don't have the integrity to even watch and listen to someone's video then I'd venture to say that anyone that does that and still posts a comment is disingenuous at best...
2) If men are terrestrial and angels are celestial what exactly is the definition of divinity to you and since when can men comprehend angels aka going to Divinity School?
3) Therefore James define the word divinity and then when you've done so define also the word deity then we'll chat about this, again...
Christianizers 2 years ago
Integrity? I simply haven't watched it yet becasue I am using a laptop in room with other people and cannot at this point turn the volume up. I have read a lot in this area so I know all the objections made against the deity of Christ. I will watch the video but I was simply putting my side of the argument across through some links so the person who made the video, or others who are watching it, can check them at their leisure. Deity=the uncreated being that made the universe. I haven't(cont)...
james46888 2 years ago
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Understood...
But your divine/deity argument makes Yeshua' out to be an incarnation of His Father and this violates The First Commandment of YHVH; so like you I don't wish to debate but to be A Witness For Yeshua' and Our Father instead you share of mans doctrines and definitions but I inquired of your OWN DEFINITION not mans!
Whether you believe The Essence of Our Father and His Son is something added to scripture by inference is your choice to live by not to evangelize by is all I'm sharing!
Christianizers 2 years ago
part2 (cont)...got time to get involved in a debate on this kind of issue (it's a big topic) right now simply because I am writing an article for a website at present & I am, athough I wasn't seeking it, also involved in a debate with another person on a different biblical issue which is taking up my time. So, again, I'm simply putting the links there so people who maybe are interested in the issue can read scholarly arguments that they may not have heard before.
james46888 2 years ago
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Christianizers 2 years ago
Fair enough :)
james46888 2 years ago
James...
Fair enough; is good enough for us as fleshly men like Adam but we must come to The Throne Of YHVH by His Son' Mediation to gain Our Father' Grace in being obedient to HIM by His Son' Commending Example to walk this life in the fearing honor of YHVH' BOUNDLESS MAJESTY!
And I encourage you to stand only IN HIS WORDS of testimony by His Prophets and HIS ONLY SON' WITNESS that YHVH has redeemed men from the curse of death by HIS SONS being obedient to HIS COMMANDS like His Son Yeshua'...
Christianizers 2 years ago
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Nowhere in scripture does Yeshua' claim that He Himself is the personification of His Father yet religious doctrine was made into law over 1500 years ago with the trinitas doctrine that they make men bow down to within their idolatries!
Now if you wish to state by YHVH' INSTRUCTION thru you that HE is instructing you to tell others that your revelation of HIM is a trinitas then go ahead and ignorantly continue to break your covenant with HIM in proclaiming thus allowing a manmade dogma to sin!
Christianizers 2 years ago
As I say, I haven't got time to get into a big debate on this, but just wanted to know in what century exactly do you believe the trinity doctrine first crept into the Church?
james46888 2 years ago
I'm encouraging you not telling you for only YHVH' SPIRIT can teach you to understand but if we keep ourselves into the books of mans theologies then The Will Of Our Father will fall to the wayside of becoming An Obedient Son instead becoming A Manipulated son of Mans Mandates!
Since The Council of Nicea the so called church and state has been legally By Their Decrees been murdering men and women all in the name of Their Catholic/Christian Legalities!
Since this is history there is no debate!
Christianizers 2 years ago
In response to my question about the trinity, you said, "Since The Council of Nicea the so called church and state has been legally By Their Decrees been murdering men and women all in the name of Their Catholic/Christian Legalities!"
All I wanted to know was when you believed that professing Christians first started teaching the trinity.
james46888 2 years ago
In the second century AD; well after the surviving disciples that walked with Yeshua' had departed this earth realm; for jewish kabbalism crept into the christian ideal of whom Yeshua' was.
Jewish Mysticism embodies the doctrines of 'godhead' and 'trinity' thru the sefirot imagery within 'the tree of life' that their rabbis have taught since coming back from the babylonian diaspora!
Christians within their christianities are ignorant of these doctrines that Saul/Paul understood about judaism!
Christianizers 2 years ago
OK, I haven't really looked deeply into Jewish mysticism, but most scholars - not to say the majority view has to be correct - believe the template for the trinity came from the Jewish wisdom literature of the intertestamental period (the rabbis also had their concept of the memra), and it was divine wisdom which the disciples identified HIm with, and which Jesus identified Himself with, in the NT writings.
james46888 2 years ago
The jewish mysticism of THE MEMRA was adopted by the western church fathers as THE WORD but don't put THIS ASSUMPTION on Yeshua and His Disciples Teachings for they DID NOT advocate Judaism!
Christianity has just instituted the anthropomorphism' of Judaism' Mysteries which is The Mystery Religion Of Babylon this is why John 1:1 is the hinge pin of Their Syncretized Beliefs!
Therefore THEIR RELIGIONS of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are just THEIR CABAL PRACTICES OF CHAOTIC PREDETERMINATIONS!
Christianizers 2 years ago
"The jewish mysticism of THE MEMRA was adopted by the western church fathers as THE WORD but don't put THIS ASSUMPTION on Yeshua and His Disciples Teachings..."
Well, John 1 has some obvious parallels with the memra concept (h t t p : // mafialords . c o m /Under_Boss . h t m #1 . %20The%20LOGOS). However the main point being that the disciples DID identify Jesus with divine wisdom of the intertestamental literature & Jesus Himself identified Himself as such. See previous links on (cont)...
james46888 2 years ago
Some parallels?
John 1:1 is jewish kabbalism 101...
And so is the institutional mandates of christianity.
Kabbala means Tradition aka The Traditions of Esoteric Theosophy and Theurgy...
But hey I'm not trying to convince you what to believe I'm just pointing out what you've been taught to believe and I'd love to see those scriptural references where you claim Yeshua' of Himself possessed such esoterical wisdom considering He only spoke what His Father instructed Him To Speak not magian'!
Christianizers 2 years ago
Slightly confused here because I got the exact same message sent to me by lockedupmanship. But, anyhow, I not sure I understand the wording of your comment or what yuou're getitng at. I assumed you believed the Bible was the word of God, but the fact that you said John 1 is "Jewish kabbalism" I guess mean you think otherwise, right?
james46888 2 years ago
Words interpreted by men 'do not' constitute 'the perfection' of YHVH' ESSENCE therefore scriptures are for instruction not for veneration which most religious people mistakenly do...
Aramaic Hebrew - Greek - Latin - Kings English to Middle English and then to present day English is a far cry from 'the exact words' of A Creator Speaking Precisely to be understood exactly by each of the afore mentioned language forms appropriately and they all vary so widely between syntax and expression.
C...
Christianizers 2 years ago
How does all that relate to John 1 then?
james46888 2 years ago
Your words not mine "I assumed you believed the Bible was the word of God, but the fact that you said John 1 is "Jewish kabbalism" I guess mean you think otherwise, right?"
If everyone that read the bible received eternal life then practically noone would be denied its gift by YHVH so how this relates is that everything christianity is and believes has all been lost in the translation, literally.
Everyone that reads John 1:1 does not hinge pin their faith on it but theological trinitarians do!
Christianizers 2 years ago
Oops. I actually gave a wrong link earlier. The correct address is w w w . markdroberts . c o m /htmfiles/resources/jesusdivine . h t m #oct3104. On the other issue, my point was not really about John 1:1 per se but, as the link shows, about verses 1-18 and how it relates to the wisdom tradition (further explained at w w w . tektonics . o r g /jesusclaims/trinitydefense . h t m l)
james46888 2 years ago
I appreciate more your honest input than the links you've posted and now we come full circle to your initial posting here to Christian' video; with respect I will not be viewing your links but I offer an open invitation anytime you'd like to continue our sharing about whom 'the real' Yeshua' is rather than 'the religious' version of Him...
Till next time take care IN HIM and my hope IN YHVH is that HE BLESSES you with ONLY HIS GIVEN TRUTH...
C...
Christianizers 2 years ago
Thank you. I hope He blesses you too. Yes, when I get more time (I'm a little snowed under at the minute with writing an article & also debating another user about replacement theology & end-time prophecy) I may debate with you about Yeshua
james46888 2 years ago
part2 (cont)...that one. Furthermore John 1itself identifies Jesus with divine wisdom in a number of ways (w w w . markdroberts . c o m /htmfiles/resources/jesusdivine . h t m#nov704)
james46888 2 years ago
Religion itself is nothing more than 'a testing' of ones heart by YHVH if you want your mind instead of your heart to believe in 'a god' that equates itself with YHVH then that is the chance you and religious people have chosen to take not me for I know whom Our Father is and doctrinal minded men are just deluded within their own sins and refuse to humble themselves before YHVH like Adam made the mistake in doing...
Yet Yeshua' shows us The Way To Eternal Life In HIS FATHER not in Illumination!
Christianizers 2 years ago
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Evidenty you dont believe its important to know Jesus is God, but others believe it is VITAL to KNOW HIM in that way..they dont want anyone not to be saved..so their hearts are pure in their desire.
What if you are wrong in your view that it is not important?
Jhn 8:24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [HE], ye shall die in your sins.
Jesus himself repeatedly claimed GODS Name (Exodus 3:14)for himself
google "I AM" claims of Jesus"
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
Our Messiah was a man. the Father YHWH, dwelt in him and the only way to the Father is through the Son.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Romans8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
we will be just like him if we make it to the kingdom.
read 2 cor 3:18
zachj614 2 years ago
oh and i love you all, and i want you all to know there is only 1 truth, thats all, anything that is not truth is a lie, and many people have been lied to, you cant just get the right picture it must be taught to you by the Holy Spirit of TRUTH. In him there is no Darkness, we must be the leavened bread of SINCERITY, (we all have sincerity) and TRUTH... TRUTH... TRUTH, his word is the truth, his word is spirit and TRUTH,
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
zachj614 2 years ago
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one part of Actually KNOWING Him is to KNOW what the bible says about Him!
JESUS is THE WORD made flesh(Jhn 1:14)
HE always existed(Jhn 1:1)
And HE created ALLLL things(Jhn 1:3)
He is part of "the Godhead"(Col 2:9) HE is sinless(1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5) and a perfect sacrifice( 9:11-12) "EMANUEL" MEANS God with us (Mat 1:23)
ONLY GOD is to be worshipped yet Jesus accepted worship.
"HIS NAME shall be ...THE Mighty God"(Isa 9:6;Jer 32:18)
it takes very little study to know Jesus is God!
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Christianizers 2 years ago
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in Jesus Name ALL PERVERSION AND ALL ANTICHRIST SPIRITS ARE BOUND AND GAGGED AND IN TORMENT UNTIL THEIR PERMANENT DEPARTURE FROM YOU.
"HIS NAME shall be ...THE Mighty God"(Isa 9:6;Jer 32:18)
JESUS is THE WORD made flesh(Jhn 1:14)
HE always existed(Jhn 1:1)
And HE created ALLLL things(Jhn 1:3)
He is part of "the Godhead"(Col 2:9)
HE is sinless(1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5)
JESUS ACCEPTED WORSHIP in the scriptures your PRIDE WONT ALLOW you to believe the WHOLE bible sooo sad for you ;(
JESUSRULZZZAMEN 2 years ago
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Christianizers 2 years ago
Well said! :)
kaijuman 2 years ago
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You're right there is no reason to debate this. On Jesus' behalf, I'd just like to say that he is perfect.
DaughterofJerusalem 2 years ago
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poor reasoning
AaronM144000 3 years ago
Amen! lol
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus.
(1 Timothy 2:5)
WaitingforChrist 3 years ago
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AaronM144000 3 years ago
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Wow. It's astonishing that you know so much of the Bible without understanding Jesus' deity. I'm not judging you. I'm not saying that this denial will lead you to hell (because I don't know for sure, only God does), but I am definitely saying you are wrong about this issue. I posted a few Scriptures that prove it on JoshnJesus's video response. Have a nice day.
ChristianTruthHammer 3 years ago
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Christianizers 3 years ago
I agree with you, but we do have the right to get angry. We have to be careful not to let our anger turn to sin. The reason why Christians say that Jesus Christ is God is because Christ is part of the Godhead. Out of the Godhead, you have God the Father, the Son of God, and God the Spirit. The Father is not Christ. The Holy Spirit is not Christ nor the Father. Trinity is not in the bible, but the Godhead is in the bible.
Clark
Clyburn3450 3 years ago
Three times in The KJV it mentions 'The Graven Image' of 'A Godhead' which The Translators from Greek to Latin and then to English coined this phrase which came from The Byzantine Texts but The Ethiopian Texts are older and more accrued to The Original Language Forms thus if you look in the NASB Version you do not see the word 'Godhead' because The NASB Translators were not looking for 'A Trinitarian Bias' like King James had done by the Popery's liking.
So we must leave ALL idolatries behind!
Lockmanship 3 years ago
Consider the following,
Did Adam walk in the garden with what appeared to him as 'A Head of ALL GOD'S'?
This is what 'A Godhead' implies.
YHVH [God] is spirit; HE is ABOVE ALL HIS CREATED BEINGS its just HIS CREATED BEINGS that bring HIM down to their finite understanding OF HIM.
YHVH created The Angels that DO NOT die like man and men since Adam have been calling Angels Divine Deities or God's just like The Greeks and Romans with their mythos of Zeus and his earthly sons; half god/half man.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
Simplified...
The Father CREATOR OF ALL is spirit...
His Son NOT CREATED but BEGOTTEN by HIM in the flesh...
His HOLY Set Apart SPIRIT IS HIS WILL toward ALL HIS CREATION...
Now,
When Fallen Angels and Men go beyond this is when they make unto themselves Their Own God's in trusting that their minds are endowed enough by the cursed 'Tree Of Knowledge' of becoming illuminated within fallen elohym knowledge that they understand and perceive A CREATOR and HIS SON that they've never seen before.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
I agree that we must leave all idolatries behind, but serving God is not an idolatry.
Clyburn3450 3 years ago
You say in response to me, "but serving God is not an idolatry".
We all must choose to follow and obey Our Father and His Commands which secondly states that we are to not have any graven images of Him made with mans hands...
Therefore we must ask ourselves "is not the interpretation of language forms and expressions thereof just an intuition of mans ability to create?"
Language gives to man impressions of imagery unlike beasts, birds or fish can't do which is to speak it and then create it.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
In Genesis 1:22, God stated, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."
Remember, God said let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. He had to refer to another Spiritual Being within the "Godhead."
I actually enjoy these discussions. Just know that I am not judging or saying your wrong or right. It's all in love.
Clyburn3450 3 years ago
Wisdom comes by asking YHVH sincere questions as a child would; to receive of His Spirit and Words thus instructing us by...
So share with me Clark what YHVH has revealed in your heart regarding these questions not what religious dogma would answer...
Whom was created first men or angels?
Were angels created In The Image of Elohym [God]?
YHVH is good then whom was evil before Eve knew it?
Did YHVH create angelic sons before creating the son of all men?
Let HIS SPIRIT Instruct Us Thereby!
Lockmanship 3 years ago
I see where you are coming from. I believe in the deity of Christ, but I will never force this down someone's throat. The key is to love YHWH first, and then love thy neighbor. Christ's own words. I don't consider myself a Trinitarian, but I'm sorry the these people can't just let you have your relationship, and not just cut you off. I'm pretty shure Yahushua was a good listener. Otherwise if all he was cut people off he never would have been taken seriouly.
halfie25 3 years ago
The word 'Godhead' itself comes from Old English it DOES NOT come from Greek, Latin or Hebrew therefore it is a western psychology within their belief systems of or about 'a deity' or 'deities' also the word 'deity' itself comes from Latin in its original form likewise this too is an inherited western thought.
Latin, French and Old/Middle English borrowed 'deity' from pagan gods of the Sunday=Sun, Monday=Moon, Tuesday=Mars, Wednesday=Mercury, Thursday=Jupiter, Friday=Venus and Saturday=Saturn.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
I'm right there with you. I do not disagree, but you must remember YHWH begat Yahushua. So in a sense the very conscience of YHWH was in Christ. He was separate from us. No like us. That is why.
halfie25 3 years ago
We must remember that Adam was created not to die much less reproduce for angels live eternally yet do not reproduce.
Therefore our finite relativity on the word 'begotten' [begat] is only based on a created [recreated] one so we must not make the mistake of assuming fully what Yeshua actually meant when He Said "No one has seen God [YHVH] at any time; The Only Begotten [Son Of] God [The Most High Elohym] who is IN THE BOSOM of THE FATHER, He [Yeshua] has explained HIM [YHVH]." NASB [ ] -mine
Lockmanship 3 years ago
It would always be prudent on our part to consider what Yeshua' meant 'By Only' as 'UNIQUE'...
So consider...
Yeshua' The Uniquely Begotten Son Of YHVH.
Although this is difficult much less improbable to comprehend this IS WHAT Yeshua' was striving for truly OUR SPIRITS within us to comprehend and understand by The Mind Of Only HIS FATHER' SPIRIT teaching us this.
But when we compare our recreated minds with HIS or His Son' Essence this is where our souls fall short of knowing what HE BEGAT.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
So would you agree that Christ is an extention and or part of YHWH in some manor? Also Angels did have children with women. As witnessed by Enoch. The women bore giants. So we must not forget this either.
halfie25 3 years ago
I agree with Our Father In Him Saying, "This is My Beloved Son with whom I Am well pleased; listen to Him!" NASB...
Matthew 3:17, 17:5 with Mark 9:7 and Luke 9:35 along with John 3:3 all agree...
We are made in the image of YHVH and In Him doing so do we not have sons?
How are the earthly sons an extension of their fathers?
How is a human son part of his father in some manor?
Why do we compare the human with The Eternal One?
These disobedient angels did their own will instead of YHVH' WILL.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
nice vid ..i dont accept the trinity either..but i did obey acts 2:38
-also i like how u said it a relationship cuz thats how i see it ...its not a religion its a relationship cuz jesus greatest enemies were religious ppl ...
santanajosue 3 years ago
I agree bro - and had a few videos about it at one time - I took them down because I made the non-issue an issue by fighting with people who insist you have to believe as they do. I do accept the trinity - but its through the understanding God gave me of it - not through THEIR dogmatic approach to it... which means they give me crap too - Love ya man - you're in my prayers!
christoferL 3 years ago
I will continue this point with you,
"Why do Christians argue that God needs them to defend Him by Theology and His Son by A Trinitarian Ideology?"
Is this not what The Talmudic Jews did in Jesus' Day?
So we must think not that we are greater than The Talmudic Jews for they sincerely considered themselves like today to be the defender's of The Only One True God yet did not Jesus admonish them in saying that they were really the children of the devil?
God [YHVH] does not need us we need HIM.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
Good video!! I agree, we have to get the gospel out to the world and let them know about salvation. Recently, my husband and I built a cross, 8ft X5ft in size, and on both sides are "Christ Died 4 You." I did "cross witnessing" last week and the response was AWESOME!! I had my husband remove the wheel in order to readjust it, so once that is done, I'll be doing more witnessing with the cross.
Jesus Christ is God. :-)
Genesis
Genesis2Jesus 3 years ago
Jesus = Yeshua ben Yoseph; David and by heaven YHVH.
Christ = Moshiach is The Redeemer by YHVH' HAND.
Is = 3rd person [to be] that which is expressed.
God = El or Elohym vs. THE LORD = YHVH The Most High.
I am not offended by your expression "Jesus Christ is God" but in order for me to be obedient to Our Father by His Son I must speak only that which I've learned by His Spirit vs. what the spirit of mens doctrines about Him and His Son have begotten in their interpretational doctrinal dogmas.
Lockmanship 3 years ago
Therefore like you if I shared by saying...
Yeshua' Is The Son Of YHVH...
Does this offend you?
I understand you and christianity therefore I am not offended by what my father's before me also received by the predominance of Pauline Scriptures being syncretized by language forms that we here in the west consider to be an accurate verbal association of whom The Son Of God is...
But...
Why do Christians argue that God needs them to defend Him by Theology and His Son by A Trinitarian Ideology?
Lockmanship 3 years ago