@USSWISCONSIN64 real life the .338 lapua is really close to the .50 bmg jus less weight to carry and the .338 now holds the record for the longest moving kill at 1.75 miles and it wast jus one target it was 2
wish they would have put 50 cal barrett in this game. I understand balance issues, but I believe it could have been taken care of by only allowing someone to fire it only when it is deployed on a bipod and also have it kick up a small dust cloud with every shot so it makes you a tad easier to spot.
@TheFerik111 the M98B has, at that range, only 1.5 clips(the lines on the cross hairs) of bullet drop while the other two are identical and have 2. The M98B has faster bullet velocity making its bullets connect faster and drop less. BUT its clip is only 5+1
To me, Recon should be the "As long as they win/survive, I'm fine."
I remember one game in Bad Company 2 where I used the UAV the whole time and I marked every enemy and helped keep most of the team alive (It was a jungle map, so uninformed teammates kept being ambushed.). Best match of Rush I've played, despite the only 3-4 kills on tanks I got.
I like the damage system in BF3, with one exception. IMO the throat and neck ought to fall into the same instakill category as headshots. Think about taking a rifle round just under your larynx, or where your spine meets your shoulders. Nobody's gonna walk away from that. Annoying to play as sniper, shoot a guy straight in the trachea, and then watch him run off and hide around a corner.
@laserpig Headshots aren't always instakill in BF3, same rings true for bad company 2. At close range, SMGs/carbines do about 33-50 damage with headshots. They shoot so fast you don't notice though. I'd imagine assault rifles don't instakill either.
Playing recon, using only bolt-rifles with m145-scope (US 3.4x scope). Mostly only in small linear maps, like Seine, Grand Bazaar, Metro. Ranking about 30-60 kills per map. It ofcourse requires that you have good aim.
Metro, Market, and small maps like those are where i tend to use iron sights with my semi-auto sniper rifles. I also litirally pull out 20-40 spot bonuses a match, average no matter what class I play. Troops, jets, helis, tanks ANYTHING I can spot.
I use the semi-auto snipers with red dot or no scope at all for med range engagement from windows and defensive points on objectives. I spot constantly, and use the the Mav or soflam as needed. I attack objectives and make sure i get cap points. I can usually stay within top 3 scores, if not kills, when I defend flags from a med distance.
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I was a beast at sniping at BFBC2. It took a while to learn how to in BF3 but I think it's because the class overall is more balanced in BF3. I really don't think they were aware of the beast they created when they made the recon class in BFBC2. Ghillie suit, Barret 50, M1911.... Close range, medium, far, extra far...you're a dead man if I saw you in that game lol. woot..good times.
@Duron13 they gave another role to the sniper. play togheter is the best way. the sniper spot people from far behing. he is not suppose to rush. infiltrate the base and spot ennemies but not infiltrate the ennemy base to do sabbotage.
@baoown Wich is kinda sad because spotting isn't very effective when you're too far behind and when there's a lot of buildings, trees and so on for the enemies to hide. The only thing the Sniper can do as a Recon class in BF3 is spot and make some kills.
Unless you play the aggressive Sniper, like WhiteMoosey but you've got to be good to be efficient.
@Duron13 Man agresive sniper is almost impossible, you have that shiny thing in your scope at all times witch always gives your posision away and you gotta get headshots witch is also really hard
@Duron13 i agree but what really fucks it up though is that you don't get one shot kills when hitting the upper body parts of the enemy...not even if you hit the neck. but i heard they're gonna change that in the upcoming patch so yeeesss!!! ;)
@thmaeder When you use the M98B you can sometimes OS the enemy since he does 95% of damage per bullet, but it's true that it's sometimes frustrating but in a way I'm not sure I want too many snipers on the field that can OS you more easily.
@thmaeder well at that close of range a .308(Mk.11) or a 7.62x54(SVD) would go straight through doing very little damage unless you succeeded in hitting a vital organ
@sharsh00ter969 dude we're talking about a video game. i don't care what kind of damage this would do in real life, in real life people can survive head shots too, i don't care. this isn't real or i wouldn't even be shooting at people at all.
@sharsh00ter969 coming from a person who owns guns in both of those calibers, you can be anywhere from 50m to 800m away and one shot in the torso will put you on your ass. It will not always kill you, but you will be screwed up for a good long while and head shots are almost always non-survivable sine your head "pops"... BF3 does a great job in modeling the ballistics of these calibers IMO...
@hambone307 yes but they are not "kill shots" and i could name at least probably five games that have better ballistics modeling what .338 gun you own?
@sharsh00ter969 I don't have a .338... too expensive in todays economy... I do have a mosin nagant in 7.62x54R and I also have a rem. 700 in .308 along with many many other firearms... =) also, i think that I stated that not every shot will be a kill shot in my last post...
Im glad they nerfed snipers. Do you have any idea how many lobbies would fill up with 90% recon in bc2? If you want to be a sniper and support people from afar, fine... but when you see that every other team member is a sniper, and no one is capturing or planting.... pick up a bloody assault rifle and mosey on down.
i was an extremely good sniper in bc2, and i mean extremely good, i get this game and imlike: wtf is with scope sway, i think if they want scope sway, they shouoldput in a tripod so you can stand/crouch
@fathomjosh although the round of the M98 will not damage a helicopter extensively it does have a much better effective range over say the M95 so really if they get out to repair it would be better to have the .338 Lapua over the .50 firing M95 which in my opinion is a shit rifle
@sharsh00ter969 Yes true. But it's more for getting into their head. The old gun I rolled with in Bad company 2 was the GOL Sniper Magnum. More level shot than the M95. But it's just that knowing "There is a sniper than can get me and hurt me" ^_^
@fathomjosh The Barrett M107 was originally going to be in the multiplayer, but there was balancing issues so they simply decided to take it out. You can use it on one of the missions in campaign though.
The recon class is good in BF3, the problem is the players that dont know how to use it in a proper way, is recon, not sniper, theres a huge different between one and another...
@juandavii yeah one of the main differences is that a recon class which is a sucky sniper class is boring. i've played it and it makes me go to sleep faster than a hugh grant movie.
No wonder my calculation is off, not all bullet drop is the same. In BC2, all the snipers had an even bullet drop, but with this, its all different :( oh and for finding distance, use the flags as distance markers and use those to determine the range
@dildodill13 well yeah but at least you could do something against vehicles or people hiding in buildings and you had awesome rifles. the recon class now is for shit. plus the mortars of the support class are way more annoying if you ask me...
@thmaeder yeah, in BC2 Recon was fantastic... but I guess dice had a decision to make, coz many guys were just camping with rifles... so they had to tone it down a bit to encourage players to play other classes, and have a more balanced BF3...
@eerereps Your a moron. Recon in BC2 was completely multi purpose, anti infantry short and close range, mortors and c4, please.... Snipers are ment to be useless against armour like in bf2.
@MrINKDLORD yeah what's up with that. i mean i know what recon means but who wants to take the role of flying that bullshit drone or whatever it is and tag people? no one because it's fucking boring.
@jsDX11 oh man don't make me write down a list. but when i get short range upper body hits i want the enemy to die from one bullet...but instead they still have 31% health. the rifles are shit, bullet drop is way too heavy, nothing against vehicles or enemies hiding in buildings, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
put in bc2 and play the recon class for 5 minutes and you'll see.
@thmaeder Let me correct you a little. In the HUUUGE upcoming patch snipers will kill with one chest shot at closer range. Liking the rifles is a matter of opinion I guess, bullet drop is actually the same as it was in BC2 and only 50 cal bullets tend to do damage to vehicles.
Again I'll say it: if you prefer sniping from BC2 then thats fine.
and yes maybe the other rifle-classes are not so accurate in their ballistic characteristics
but you got to think, you got the .308 bolt snipers in the game and you got assaultrifles in the game with the same round and barrel length. how do you rationalise one class to drop someone with one chestshot and the other one needing 3-5 rounds
@minervius ps: i have not played the recon specificaly as sniper class till now because in order to be successful on pub servers i was always needet to be aggressive and providing my recon/intelligence dutys to my whole team and providing a spawnpoint right at the frontline all the time. but after i will be through the shotguns ( looking 4ward to the 870 and 1900series ) i will concentrate a bit on sniperrifles myself, after all whats the prob with missing a headshot and go handgun
@thmaeder it wasnt awsome at all in bc2, whats the point in being a sniper if you can shoot the person in the foot and they will die. I like the way they did it in battlefield three, there just weeding out all of the fake sniper wannbees who cant get a headshot, such as yourself. the entire point of the sniper is to get the headshot. Thats what makes the recon challenging and fun, i mean why do you think they give you extra points for headhots because thats what they want you to do.
@EskReaper12 damn why would you just tell me that i am a wanna be sniper or whatever?? you think sniping is just headshots? is bf3 the first bf you play? dude don't piss me off, if you have something smart to say then leave another comment, if you're just gonna disagree because you don't know what creative game play is and decide to personally attack me then shut the fuck up.
@EskReaper12 plus they're gonna correct it in the next update because they realized they made a mistake by only giving 69% damage for short range upper body hits because people from the gaming community complained...damn you're probably one of those fools lying around on rocks all game long camping. calling it strategical, thinking they're supporting the team and thinking that's what being a sniper means.
@thmaeder Naaaahhhhh. It's just a little harder with swaying movement. But you got the bipod for that. I'm just kinda dissapointed that there is no way to damage armor as a recon unit. I loved calling in mortar strikes in Bad Company 2.
@thmaeder no they just made it actually a recon class. I'm glad they did. They make the class more valuable as an intelligence gatherer instead of a fighting class. this is how it's supposed to be. you get 2 kills, less than 1000 points, but you play a vital and invaluable role on your team if you are with a team that works together.
@GuideMeSilly so you're telling me what the recon class is supposed to be is people lying on rocks in their own base or where the fuck ever all game long? or that people run you over with some stupid ass drone? or that you shoot someone in the chest from short or medium range and that person doesn't die? you can't be serious dude..
@thmaeder No. I didn't say that? It's a class that gathers intelligence and should restrain himself from thoughtless killing. He should actively move up with his team, and get where he needs to be to see where the enemy is and inform his team so that there are no surprises. A well-informed team is at a big advantage. The guys you listed were trying to be cool, not trying to help the team like recon is meant to. Very few people know/have seen how it's done. And this is serious business.
@GuideMeSilly i admit you didn't say that but that's how most people play the recon class. what you said makes total sense and i'm a team player and all but when i get home after a busy day at the university i don't want to spot thirty people to blow off some steam, i don't want to be caught in some realistic operation, i want to shoot people, be smart doing it, work as a team. i guess it's a question of taste but i prefer a sniper class over a recon class any day.
@thmaeder Yeah it's usually a role for the Fire Team Leader, Squad Staff, or those who have everything unlocked for the people in my clan: Tactical Gaming. But for some reason I love doing it. I pull out my MAV, point out all the enemies and my squadmates do really well. Like you said, it has a lot to do with taste.
@GuideMeSilly well i admire you for taking that role, i couldn't do it but i get why it's important. and i'm sure your team appreciates the support you can provide.
@sillyslapper92 nope never used them like that. i've written down like 20 times already what i don't like about it but i guess it's just the way i see it. for me the recon class in bc2 was awesome because it was a sniper class. now it's boring. that's my opinion. you can't get creative with it anymore.
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I wish they would put the replace the L96 with the L115. I also wish they would have gone back to the .50 cal barret as the Long range. I will admit the m98b is a little underwhelming...the report...the fact that it isn't 1 shot kil...makes it seem like its just a faster round...and thats it...no higher damage.
@chewy4rce yea, it's high velocity. the secrect is to shoot the bad guys in the face. can't be fucking about with a bolt action rifle if your accuracy isn't dead on.
I wish they would put in the Cheytac M200, I love that gun. Awesome firepower, range, and accuracy. It uses .357 'smart' rounds that, at long ranges, can be more powerful than a .50.
Yeah but its not the round that made cheytac what it is....and i think you mean the .375. The m200 was made famous by the cold bore shot from the .408. And no...the .408 cannot be more powerful at any time then the .50. When it comes to power...its about mass x velocity. The .408 is faster...but half as heavy. In fact the only thing the .408 has for it...is that stays supersonic over longer ranges (and not much.)...tactically unimportant. Also $7 bucks a pop.
Not nessisarily, they could both be 7.62/308 win but barrel length groove depth and harmonics are the difference and small things like length, but sv is also a 7.62 (r) rimmed not russian cartridge but in the game may be 308 win. and the barret is a .338 wich has better BC and velocities etc. etc. so drop is less at same distance. all reality if it hit you even at 1000 yards it still has more enegry than a .357 mag at 20yards.
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@hunterchamp99 Anything but CoD... The problems stemmed from them trying to emulate it in the first place. Like I said, people already quickscope in BF3. Making the weapons do their correct damage is just good game design.
@hunterchamp99 People that bitch about a weapon being overpowered need to learn how to counter it instead of whining until the devs nerf it's efficiency. The SOFLAM, MAV and EOD had their control sensitivities cut because people bitched. The Javelin does 1/4 the damage the real weapon does because they predicted that people would bitch. The aircraft behave like toys because people bitched that it was to hard to fly. IRL snipers are effective and flying is a skill, DEAL WITH IT.
Why this would make it to easy. Although the scope of the dragunov has some kind of rangefinder. There is a curved line with numbers from 2 to 10 which means 200 up to 1000 in meters. An average person of 1,70 meters should fit exactly under the line. I hope this works in BF3 too.
The game needs a true one-shot-kill rifle... with the current minimum to kill being 2 shots (even on hardcore it's like this... wtf.), you might as well only use semi-auto rifles.
He only held that record for like 2 years...just surpassed by a brit...and three insurgents at the distance. The real sniper is Carlos Hathcock...his record lasted since v
why isn't the M95 in the game? Lame -_- rather have a big 50 then a .338
USSWISCONSIN64 2 days ago
@USSWISCONSIN64 real life the .338 lapua is really close to the .50 bmg jus less weight to carry and the .338 now holds the record for the longest moving kill at 1.75 miles and it wast jus one target it was 2
Dru04 1 day ago
@Dru04 so what does that have to do with the game?
USSWISCONSIN64 1 day ago
@Dru04 the guy also shot their mg unless you're thinking of a different one
Some1JustSaid 22 hours ago
L96 then?
zEclipzeeee2011 3 days ago
wish they would have put 50 cal barrett in this game. I understand balance issues, but I believe it could have been taken care of by only allowing someone to fire it only when it is deployed on a bipod and also have it kick up a small dust cloud with every shot so it makes you a tad easier to spot.
Rui96711 4 days ago
M98B win
frikidashit 5 days ago
i dont see wats the differnce help?
TheFerik111 5 days ago
@TheFerik111 the M98B has, at that range, only 1.5 clips(the lines on the cross hairs) of bullet drop while the other two are identical and have 2. The M98B has faster bullet velocity making its bullets connect faster and drop less. BUT its clip is only 5+1
ocdoman 4 days ago
@TheFerik111 they drop the same but are at other distances
jasononcejason 3 days ago
@TehDrunkenHobo No. D:
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hagamunster9696 5 days ago
m98b as in bravo barett as in .338 magnum not .50 cal.
hagamunster9696 5 days ago
To me, Recon should be the "As long as they win/survive, I'm fine."
I remember one game in Bad Company 2 where I used the UAV the whole time and I marked every enemy and helped keep most of the team alive (It was a jungle map, so uninformed teammates kept being ambushed.). Best match of Rush I've played, despite the only 3-4 kills on tanks I got.
derharkil 1 week ago
I like the damage system in BF3, with one exception. IMO the throat and neck ought to fall into the same instakill category as headshots. Think about taking a rifle round just under your larynx, or where your spine meets your shoulders. Nobody's gonna walk away from that. Annoying to play as sniper, shoot a guy straight in the trachea, and then watch him run off and hide around a corner.
laserpig 1 week ago
@laserpig Headshots aren't always instakill in BF3, same rings true for bad company 2. At close range, SMGs/carbines do about 33-50 damage with headshots. They shoot so fast you don't notice though. I'd imagine assault rifles don't instakill either.
Ryfasol 3 days ago
Playing recon, using only bolt-rifles with m145-scope (US 3.4x scope). Mostly only in small linear maps, like Seine, Grand Bazaar, Metro. Ranking about 30-60 kills per map. It ofcourse requires that you have good aim.
EuphoriaIX 1 week ago
Metro, Market, and small maps like those are where i tend to use iron sights with my semi-auto sniper rifles. I also litirally pull out 20-40 spot bonuses a match, average no matter what class I play. Troops, jets, helis, tanks ANYTHING I can spot.
SGTRandyB 1 week ago
I play recon differently I guess.
I use the semi-auto snipers with red dot or no scope at all for med range engagement from windows and defensive points on objectives. I spot constantly, and use the the Mav or soflam as needed. I attack objectives and make sure i get cap points. I can usually stay within top 3 scores, if not kills, when I defend flags from a med distance.
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Ukenka2008 1 week ago
I was a beast at sniping at BFBC2. It took a while to learn how to in BF3 but I think it's because the class overall is more balanced in BF3. I really don't think they were aware of the beast they created when they made the recon class in BFBC2. Ghillie suit, Barret 50, M1911.... Close range, medium, far, extra far...you're a dead man if I saw you in that game lol. woot..good times.
dabadguy520 1 week ago
@dabadguy520 And you forgot about the C4. You could be a true offensive class with the Sniper like that. Most of the kills I did was in close range.
Duron13 1 week ago
@Duron13 they gave another role to the sniper. play togheter is the best way. the sniper spot people from far behing. he is not suppose to rush. infiltrate the base and spot ennemies but not infiltrate the ennemy base to do sabbotage.
baoown 1 week ago
@baoown Wich is kinda sad because spotting isn't very effective when you're too far behind and when there's a lot of buildings, trees and so on for the enemies to hide. The only thing the Sniper can do as a Recon class in BF3 is spot and make some kills.
Unless you play the aggressive Sniper, like WhiteMoosey but you've got to be good to be efficient.
Duron13 1 week ago
@Duron13 Man agresive sniper is almost impossible, you have that shiny thing in your scope at all times witch always gives your posision away and you gotta get headshots witch is also really hard
HDuser100 1 week ago
@HDuser100 Which is why I usually use a reddot sight when I want to be aggressive on CQB. Very effective. ;)
Duron13 1 week ago
@Duron13 i agree but what really fucks it up though is that you don't get one shot kills when hitting the upper body parts of the enemy...not even if you hit the neck. but i heard they're gonna change that in the upcoming patch so yeeesss!!! ;)
thmaeder 1 week ago
@thmaeder When you use the M98B you can sometimes OS the enemy since he does 95% of damage per bullet, but it's true that it's sometimes frustrating but in a way I'm not sure I want too many snipers on the field that can OS you more easily.
Duron13 1 week ago
@thmaeder well at that close of range a .308(Mk.11) or a 7.62x54(SVD) would go straight through doing very little damage unless you succeeded in hitting a vital organ
sharsh00ter969 1 week ago
@sharsh00ter969 dude we're talking about a video game. i don't care what kind of damage this would do in real life, in real life people can survive head shots too, i don't care. this isn't real or i wouldn't even be shooting at people at all.
thmaeder 1 week ago
@sharsh00ter969 coming from a person who owns guns in both of those calibers, you can be anywhere from 50m to 800m away and one shot in the torso will put you on your ass. It will not always kill you, but you will be screwed up for a good long while and head shots are almost always non-survivable sine your head "pops"... BF3 does a great job in modeling the ballistics of these calibers IMO...
hambone307 1 week ago
@hambone307 yes but they are not "kill shots" and i could name at least probably five games that have better ballistics modeling what .338 gun you own?
sharsh00ter969 1 week ago
@sharsh00ter969 I don't have a .338... too expensive in todays economy... I do have a mosin nagant in 7.62x54R and I also have a rem. 700 in .308 along with many many other firearms... =) also, i think that I stated that not every shot will be a kill shot in my last post...
hambone307 1 week ago
@dabadguy520 Same for me loved sniping in that game in this one not so much but I haven't played a great deal. only level 14 lol
LukeLewisAnimation 4 days ago
Im glad they nerfed snipers. Do you have any idea how many lobbies would fill up with 90% recon in bc2? If you want to be a sniper and support people from afar, fine... but when you see that every other team member is a sniper, and no one is capturing or planting.... pick up a bloody assault rifle and mosey on down.
cirrusfish 1 week ago
@cirrusfish Also, for the people complaining about swope sway: Press your sprint button. Come the fuck on.
cirrusfish 1 week ago
i was an extremely good sniper in bc2, and i mean extremely good, i get this game and imlike: wtf is with scope sway, i think if they want scope sway, they shouoldput in a tripod so you can stand/crouch
GetOwned426 1 week ago
@GetOwned426 Snipers don't use tripods. That's not stealthy. ;)
mgsfan15 1 week ago
take god damn scope sway out
GetOwned426 1 week ago
Press shift...
TheBritzius 1 week ago
@GetOwned426 just fucking press your sprint button to hold you breath. i mean really?
iloveknex 1 week ago
pause at 0:14, and 0:15, i think the M98B has less bullet drop the most out all guns.
motoCrossRider211 2 weeks ago
resume:
SV98: less powerful, but maybe stronger bullet
M98B: more accuracy
xXxMartin96xXx 2 weeks ago
They need to bring back the 50 cal. Doing damage to a attack helicopter was a good way to make them think twice to land and repair.
fathomjosh 2 weeks ago 9
@fathomjosh yea shoot a flying helicopter a bunch of times and disable it with a 50 cal lol...
Tj1056 2 weeks ago
@fathomjosh although the round of the M98 will not damage a helicopter extensively it does have a much better effective range over say the M95 so really if they get out to repair it would be better to have the .338 Lapua over the .50 firing M95 which in my opinion is a shit rifle
sharsh00ter969 1 week ago
@sharsh00ter969 Yes true. But it's more for getting into their head. The old gun I rolled with in Bad company 2 was the GOL Sniper Magnum. More level shot than the M95. But it's just that knowing "There is a sniper than can get me and hurt me" ^_^
fathomjosh 1 week ago
@fathomjosh
You can't snipe a pilot from 1000m away? Fucking casual.
QuadriplegicSurgeon 1 week ago
@QuadriplegicSurgeon Eh. I just like to use all the kits instead of just one. ^_^
fathomjosh 1 week ago
@fathomjosh
You don't have 5 service stars for every kit? Fucking casual.
QuadriplegicSurgeon 1 week ago
@fathomjosh The Barrett M107 was originally going to be in the multiplayer, but there was balancing issues so they simply decided to take it out. You can use it on one of the missions in campaign though.
MotocrossMasters 1 week ago
@fathomjosh M98B AKA the Barett fires only .50 cal rounds
Odstarvation 1 week ago
@Odstarvation Similar things have been posted before. The M98B dosnt fire .50 cal rounds, a lot of ppl get confused about the ammo type though.
Pearlspiracy43 1 week ago
@Odstarvation actually the M98B fires .338 rounds
FB2K6 1 week ago
@Odstarvation you must have it confused with the M82 rifle.
FB2K6 1 week ago
@Odstarvation dont mean to be a smart ass but check its description and it fires 357 or .360.caliber rounds weaker than the 50cal but more accurate
TheStoopidComments 6 days ago
The recon class is good in BF3, the problem is the players that dont know how to use it in a proper way, is recon, not sniper, theres a huge different between one and another...
juandavii 2 weeks ago
@juandavii yeah one of the main differences is that a recon class which is a sucky sniper class is boring. i've played it and it makes me go to sleep faster than a hugh grant movie.
thmaeder 2 weeks ago
never thought about snipers have different bullet drop thank you for the vid, but do they have the same damage though
TonySpicyasian 2 weeks ago
No wonder my calculation is off, not all bullet drop is the same. In BC2, all the snipers had an even bullet drop, but with this, its all different :( oh and for finding distance, use the flags as distance markers and use those to determine the range
ILNT165 2 weeks ago
they totally destroyed the recon class in this game after it was so awesome in bc2...
thmaeder 2 weeks ago 13
@thmaeder I agree with you totally!
prplc0w 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder I FUCKING HATED THE MORTARS IN BC2 AAARRRGGHHH THE MORTARS!!!!
dildodill13 2 weeks ago
@dildodill13 well yeah but at least you could do something against vehicles or people hiding in buildings and you had awesome rifles. the recon class now is for shit. plus the mortars of the support class are way more annoying if you ask me...
thmaeder 2 weeks ago
@dildodill13 lol i think i just played against you...my psn id is tmones?
thmaeder 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder yeah, in BC2 Recon was fantastic... but I guess dice had a decision to make, coz many guys were just camping with rifles... so they had to tone it down a bit to encourage players to play other classes, and have a more balanced BF3...
eerereps 2 weeks ago
@eerereps yeah i get your point...
thmaeder 2 weeks ago
@eerereps Your a moron. Recon in BC2 was completely multi purpose, anti infantry short and close range, mortors and c4, please.... Snipers are ment to be useless against armour like in bf2.
justskate000 2 weeks ago
@justskate000 *Short and long range
justskate000 2 weeks ago
@justskate000 i agree! i never camped when i played recon but at least you could get those kills in fun and creative ways.
thmaeder 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder agree, they ruined the fun just to make it more realistic...
Nirvanna18 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder
I didn't know what they meant by this, but yeah...the recon in BC2 is super fun!
CFL0LSmilyFace 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder no more c4 for the recon class
MrINKDLORD 2 weeks ago
@MrINKDLORD yeah what's up with that. i mean i know what recon means but who wants to take the role of flying that bullshit drone or whatever it is and tag people? no one because it's fucking boring.
thmaeder 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder Whats wrong with it now?
jsDX11 2 weeks ago
@jsDX11 oh man don't make me write down a list. but when i get short range upper body hits i want the enemy to die from one bullet...but instead they still have 31% health. the rifles are shit, bullet drop is way too heavy, nothing against vehicles or enemies hiding in buildings, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
put in bc2 and play the recon class for 5 minutes and you'll see.
thmaeder 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder Let me correct you a little. In the HUUUGE upcoming patch snipers will kill with one chest shot at closer range. Liking the rifles is a matter of opinion I guess, bullet drop is actually the same as it was in BC2 and only 50 cal bullets tend to do damage to vehicles.
Again I'll say it: if you prefer sniping from BC2 then thats fine.
jsDX11 2 weeks ago
@jsDX11 realy? well i cant fucking wait for that patch.. i was sniping on hardcore and no one fucking died by a chest shot.. was getting pissed off..
hazardousgamer 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder every weapon has its drop
and yes maybe the other rifle-classes are not so accurate in their ballistic characteristics
but you got to think, you got the .308 bolt snipers in the game and you got assaultrifles in the game with the same round and barrel length. how do you rationalise one class to drop someone with one chestshot and the other one needing 3-5 rounds
minervius 2 weeks ago
@minervius ps: i have not played the recon specificaly as sniper class till now because in order to be successful on pub servers i was always needet to be aggressive and providing my recon/intelligence dutys to my whole team and providing a spawnpoint right at the frontline all the time. but after i will be through the shotguns ( looking 4ward to the 870 and 1900series ) i will concentrate a bit on sniperrifles myself, after all whats the prob with missing a headshot and go handgun
minervius 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder mehh...it was pretty fake imo
cellgretsch 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder Snipers are for pussies
cryps1 2 weeks ago
@thmaeder it wasnt awsome at all in bc2, whats the point in being a sniper if you can shoot the person in the foot and they will die. I like the way they did it in battlefield three, there just weeding out all of the fake sniper wannbees who cant get a headshot, such as yourself. the entire point of the sniper is to get the headshot. Thats what makes the recon challenging and fun, i mean why do you think they give you extra points for headhots because thats what they want you to do.
EskReaper12 1 week ago
@EskReaper12 damn why would you just tell me that i am a wanna be sniper or whatever?? you think sniping is just headshots? is bf3 the first bf you play? dude don't piss me off, if you have something smart to say then leave another comment, if you're just gonna disagree because you don't know what creative game play is and decide to personally attack me then shut the fuck up.
thmaeder 1 week ago
@EskReaper12 plus they're gonna correct it in the next update because they realized they made a mistake by only giving 69% damage for short range upper body hits because people from the gaming community complained...damn you're probably one of those fools lying around on rocks all game long camping. calling it strategical, thinking they're supporting the team and thinking that's what being a sniper means.
thmaeder 1 week ago
@thmaeder Naaaahhhhh. It's just a little harder with swaying movement. But you got the bipod for that. I'm just kinda dissapointed that there is no way to damage armor as a recon unit. I loved calling in mortar strikes in Bad Company 2.
mgsfan15 1 week ago
@thmaeder no they just made it actually a recon class. I'm glad they did. They make the class more valuable as an intelligence gatherer instead of a fighting class. this is how it's supposed to be. you get 2 kills, less than 1000 points, but you play a vital and invaluable role on your team if you are with a team that works together.
GuideMeSilly 1 week ago
@GuideMeSilly so you're telling me what the recon class is supposed to be is people lying on rocks in their own base or where the fuck ever all game long? or that people run you over with some stupid ass drone? or that you shoot someone in the chest from short or medium range and that person doesn't die? you can't be serious dude..
thmaeder 1 week ago
@thmaeder No. I didn't say that? It's a class that gathers intelligence and should restrain himself from thoughtless killing. He should actively move up with his team, and get where he needs to be to see where the enemy is and inform his team so that there are no surprises. A well-informed team is at a big advantage. The guys you listed were trying to be cool, not trying to help the team like recon is meant to. Very few people know/have seen how it's done. And this is serious business.
GuideMeSilly 1 week ago
@GuideMeSilly i admit you didn't say that but that's how most people play the recon class. what you said makes total sense and i'm a team player and all but when i get home after a busy day at the university i don't want to spot thirty people to blow off some steam, i don't want to be caught in some realistic operation, i want to shoot people, be smart doing it, work as a team. i guess it's a question of taste but i prefer a sniper class over a recon class any day.
thmaeder 1 week ago
@thmaeder Yeah it's usually a role for the Fire Team Leader, Squad Staff, or those who have everything unlocked for the people in my clan: Tactical Gaming. But for some reason I love doing it. I pull out my MAV, point out all the enemies and my squadmates do really well. Like you said, it has a lot to do with taste.
GuideMeSilly 1 week ago
@GuideMeSilly well i admire you for taking that role, i couldn't do it but i get why it's important. and i'm sure your team appreciates the support you can provide.
thmaeder 1 week ago
@thmaeder
How has it been destroyed? The fact that you can't use the sniper rifles like OHK shotguns?
sillyslapper92 1 week ago
@sillyslapper92 nope never used them like that. i've written down like 20 times already what i don't like about it but i guess it's just the way i see it. for me the recon class in bc2 was awesome because it was a sniper class. now it's boring. that's my opinion. you can't get creative with it anymore.
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tskater14 2 weeks ago
does anyone know the time of which it takes to scope in for the l96, m40, and m98. Any info would be appreciated.
MegaClubbin 2 weeks ago
@MegaClubbin its the same for all snipers i think.
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killerdaryls 2 weeks ago
M40A5 is a .308 caliber, M98B is .338 cal.
sp00ktube 2 weeks ago
Both the m98b and l96 are most commonly chambered in .338 lapoua rounds
havock9tldwolf 3 weeks ago 12
@havock9tldwolf well, i don't think so. L96 is british designation for 7.62 Arctic warfare. it's AWM that uses lapua magnum .338
okithesniper 2 weeks ago
@okithesniper .243 Winchester
7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester)
.300 Winchester Magnum
.338 Lapua Magnum
these are the calibers for the artic warfare rifle as you can see the .338 lapua is right there
havock9tldwolf 2 weeks ago
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@havock9tldwolf @havock9tldwolf You're wrong.
L96 (AW) is chambered in 7.62 NATO.
L115 (AWSM) is chambered in .338 lapua mag.
For your reference, AWM is chambered with .300 win mag.
Good day, sir.
deterdettol 2 weeks ago
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@havock9tldwolf You're wrong.
L96 is chambered in 7.62 NATO.
L115 is chambered in .338 lapua mag.
Good day, sir.
deterdettol 2 weeks ago
@havock9tldwolf L96 is 7.62x5.1mm NATO... And its NOT COMPARABLE TO THE M98B, YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO THE M40A5!!!
1338Hunter 2 weeks ago
@havock9tldwolf magnum rounds u mean
MrINKDLORD 2 weeks ago
@MrINKDLORD The L96 Long Range Rifle fires the .338 Lapua round.
MrTurdTastic 2 weeks ago
@havock9tldwolf Actually, the L96 is chambered for the .308 round. Also you misspelled lapua.
zigulu24 2 weeks ago
@havock9tldwolf no, L96 uses 7.62s. but L115 uses .338 Lapua magnum. they are cosmetically similar, with only few differences.
L96 is Arctic Warfare, but L115 is arctic warfare super magnum, as in Counter strike
okithesniper 1 week ago
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eventfularse 1 week ago
L96!!
BezimiennyBot 3 weeks ago
Craig Harrison, back to back snipes with the L115A3
Poontangoo 3 weeks ago
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cwrich23 3 weeks ago
Bullets are too slooow in bf3.
Numeriwar 3 weeks ago
@Numeriwar distance, roughly 1000 meters, time of flight about 1,5 secs, that's 750 m/s, it's a little too slow, but no way it's too slooow!
Bourinos02 3 weeks ago 2
@hunterchamp99 Seriously, honorific88 is totally right, Battlefield is the way battlefield just IS. it always has been, if u want realism, buy arma 2, or operation dragon rising... realism can be awesome indeed, but sometimes people like to play games that arcade things alittle, and thats what battlefield is. Being COD is the worst obviously lol
warrenlikesboats 3 weeks ago
m98b is extreme in 500-3500 m an l96 100-1300
TheDarckma 3 weeks ago
@TheDarckma for your info m98b has max (in the game) 3250m and l96 2700m check this site out: symthic . com/?s=bf3
klidpsol 3 weeks ago
the l96 has one major advantage over the m98- you can put a flash supresser on the l96 with no accuracy or range loss.
Dragonfloe 3 weeks ago
good vid bro and just as i fort really with the m98b !!!!!!!!!!
THEpaulyBOY44 3 weeks ago
The M98B is second to last unlock for the Recon class
32Jerm 3 weeks ago
Nah. Let's put .22lr in the sv98 and blow our guns up ^.^
Wontonwabledoo 3 weeks ago
M98B is faster... so that means is better?
TehDrunkenHobo 3 weeks ago
@TehDrunkenHobo Means there is less bullet drop or compensation to deal with.
3985gtasa 3 weeks ago
@TehDrunkenHobo the m40 is faster but the m98b has more damage and less bullet drop
mastro032 3 weeks ago
When do u unlock M98B?
TheSander87 3 weeks ago
@TheSander87 its like 2nd from last unlock bro !!!!!!!!!! :) ive got it and its a beast no joke its shit hot like a BOSS SON !!!!!!!!!!
THEpaulyBOY44 3 weeks ago
meanwhile in CoD, a sniper noscopes a person instantly from across a tiny map.
DoNotClickThisNameOk 4 weeks ago
I wish they would put the replace the L96 with the L115. I also wish they would have gone back to the .50 cal barret as the Long range. I will admit the m98b is a little underwhelming...the report...the fact that it isn't 1 shot kil...makes it seem like its just a faster round...and thats it...no higher damage.
chewy4rce 4 weeks ago
@chewy4rce yea, it's high velocity. the secrect is to shoot the bad guys in the face. can't be fucking about with a bolt action rifle if your accuracy isn't dead on.
TheFrustratedAtheist 4 weeks ago
I wish they would put in the Cheytac M200, I love that gun. Awesome firepower, range, and accuracy. It uses .357 'smart' rounds that, at long ranges, can be more powerful than a .50.
(Max range, 2,300m or 6,600ft)
ThauN4SceNe1 4 weeks ago
@ThauN4SceNe1
.408 cheytac
chewy4rce 4 weeks ago
@chewy4rce .357 Cheytac is a variant of the .408
ThauN4SceNe1 4 weeks ago
@ThauN4SceNe1
Yeah but its not the round that made cheytac what it is....and i think you mean the .375. The m200 was made famous by the cold bore shot from the .408. And no...the .408 cannot be more powerful at any time then the .50. When it comes to power...its about mass x velocity. The .408 is faster...but half as heavy. In fact the only thing the .408 has for it...is that stays supersonic over longer ranges (and not much.)...tactically unimportant. Also $7 bucks a pop.
chewy4rce 4 weeks ago
that'd be sick to have an actual spotter!!!
shakafo00o 4 weeks ago
Not nessisarily, they could both be 7.62/308 win but barrel length groove depth and harmonics are the difference and small things like length, but sv is also a 7.62 (r) rimmed not russian cartridge but in the game may be 308 win. and the barret is a .338 wich has better BC and velocities etc. etc. so drop is less at same distance. all reality if it hit you even at 1000 yards it still has more enegry than a .357 mag at 20yards.
corxrs 4 weeks ago
They don't google it, it says it in the game what caliber of shells it use's so they are not acting like anything so good job at insulting no one "LOL"
zack6032 1 month ago
Wow, I guess the M40A5 is better then the L96 since they have the same velocity/drop rate yet the M4 can make quicker follow up shots.
ght52 1 month ago
i love how people google stuff and act like experts
BlueDevilPride81 1 month ago
@hunterchamp99 Anything but CoD... The problems stemmed from them trying to emulate it in the first place. Like I said, people already quickscope in BF3. Making the weapons do their correct damage is just good game design.
honorific88 1 month ago
@hunterchamp99 People that bitch about a weapon being overpowered need to learn how to counter it instead of whining until the devs nerf it's efficiency. The SOFLAM, MAV and EOD had their control sensitivities cut because people bitched. The Javelin does 1/4 the damage the real weapon does because they predicted that people would bitch. The aircraft behave like toys because people bitched that it was to hard to fly. IRL snipers are effective and flying is a skill, DEAL WITH IT.
honorific88 1 month ago
@hunterchamp99 They already do that. Whats frustrating is using the biggest rifle in the game and not getting the kill on the first shot.
honorific88 1 month ago
they need a range finder attachment
kolinmartz 1 month ago 88
@kolinmartz soflam works for range out to 400 meters for range finding
MrRambo438 3 weeks ago
@kolinmartz
Why this would make it to easy. Although the scope of the dragunov has some kind of rangefinder. There is a curved line with numbers from 2 to 10 which means 200 up to 1000 in meters. An average person of 1,70 meters should fit exactly under the line. I hope this works in BF3 too.
foiafrey 3 weeks ago
@foiafrey
well theyr trying to push you into using the sniper rifle in extrem ranges because of the headshot only kills but if you do this its too hard
kolinmartz 2 weeks ago
@kolinmartz and my friend with a spotting scope :)
societykrew 2 weeks ago
@societykrew
i like to pretend the soflam is a spotting scope
kolinmartz 2 weeks ago
The game needs a true one-shot-kill rifle... with the current minimum to kill being 2 shots (even on hardcore it's like this... wtf.), you might as well only use semi-auto rifles.
honorific88 1 month ago
@honorific88 being a two shot kill makes snipeing balanced.. any game with a 1 hit kill weapon has fags that try and quickscope
mrkanker1 1 month ago
fu*ken awsome.
joshuaman86 1 month ago
can you compare the M98 to the L96?
rockndroll112 1 month ago
@rockndroll112 The L96 is almost excatly the same as the M40A5
1338Hunter 1 month ago
@1338Hunter not really. different caliber, stock,bolt, and muzzle
leolion1993 1 month ago
@leolion1993 I was talking about the statistics (Damage, range ect ect... And by the way, they both are the same caliber [7.62x51mm NATO])
1338Hunter 1 month ago
@1338Hunter oh i guess they are. I apologize..
leolion1993 4 weeks ago
@1338Hunter thanks
rockndroll112 1 month ago
no Canada doesnt have the record... Craig Harrison from ENGLAND lol
sheazo16 1 month ago 17
@sheazo16
And he did it with the l115 .338 Lap Mag.
chewy4rce 4 weeks ago
@sheazo16 yea, he broke the canadian guys record.
TheFrustratedAtheist 4 weeks ago
@sheazo16 only by 45m, but yea your right
berballadans 3 weeks ago
@sheazo16 isnt it actually an USMC sniper? (The english dude took about 12 shots and killed 2 people at that range)
Trev0Rear 3 weeks ago
@sheazo16 IT WAS BY A MEASLY 45m!!!
LET US HAVE SOMETHING FOR ONCE! D:
brokenbones199 3 weeks ago
@brokenbones199 Measly 45 yards with a rifle that has just over half the effective range, L115A3 vs. TAC-50. Lol it was fucking close though :P
MrMAD0G 3 weeks ago
longst comfirmed kill in real life is by a Canadain. thats right. we are teh best
TheSafeToast 1 month ago
@TheSafeToast haha idiot
sonnyjim202 1 month ago
@TheSafeToast and you're obviously the best spellers in the world too...stick to hockey
dh86able 1 month ago
@TheSafeToast
He only held that record for like 2 years...just surpassed by a brit...and three insurgents at the distance. The real sniper is Carlos Hathcock...his record lasted since v