Someone commented on Heifetz'a technique. I think the unique Heifetz sound is due to his "perfect" right hand. The bow never slips and the sound is better. Of course his violin sound is also great. If you need to follow anything, follow his right hand. Learn not to "slip" on the string.
So this was recorded 20 years after the Sarasate himself recordings... I'm sure Sarasate would be very proud of Heifetz!!!
(By the way, when Sarasate was still alive Heifetz already was a child prodigy, studying with a pupil of Auer and making his public debut at 7 with the Mendelssohn concert!!)
the sandy sound that y guys here is caled distortion.you can here it a lot whene he is playing double ff becouse the mikerophone is very close to the violin. if it was a little far away we would not here the distortion.any way Mr.Heifetz is #1.
Theres a very good reason for that, Heifetz REFUSED to be recorded when the microphone was far away, he always demanded it be placed right in front of him so that that sandy sound is heard.
the "sandiness" u hear is purely due to the recording process, and not to his playing. just ask anyone who has heard him play live before. his tone is one of the richest and most intense violin tones ever.
cwldoc Heifetz is my favorite violinist, but I would absolutely hate not to have all the wonderful and brilliant interpretations that many other great violitists offer. If I just had to listen to one violinist It probably wouldn't be him just because the quality of recordings is better today.
Language has little to do with it...I see it primarily as a cultural distinction. For instance, the people of Afghanistan speak Farsi, but few would try to argue that the Afghan and Iranian cultures are the same (and if they did, they would be wrong). Heifetz was born in an area of the Russian Empire that had its own distinct culture, and is now referred to as Lithuania. I don't think it unreasonable to refer to him as Lithuanian.
Language and religion, the primary cultural indicators, have everything to do with it. Heifetz, who didn't speak Lithuanian, certainly never thought of or called himself Lithuanian. Neither did the majority Polish inhabitants of Vilnius. They considered themselves Poles.
As for language in Afghanistan: Dari (Afghan Farsi; official) 50%, Pashto (official) 35%, Turkic languages (primarily Uzbek and Turkmen) 11%, 30 minor languages (primarily Balochi and Pashai) 4%, much bilingualism.
In my opinion, what may cause some people to like esther kim's recording is just the recording quality. Absolutezero, let's not get into racial issues, man, cuz wow dat's ugly.
I've got to agree with AndromedaAiken. Although Heifetz is one of the greats---Kim's recording is amazing too. All of these people are on a completely different level than all of us...
ok so i've been doing my reading and i KNOW that Heifetz is one of the big ones... but to me all his recordings sound slightly... scratchy.. and i KNOW that it's an old recording but that's not the sound that bothers me..
is that intentional, is it his violin or do i have an hearing impediment?
Two things: 1.) Perlman noted that Heifetz liked to put the microphone very close to his violin, which created what he calls the "jitt" sound you might be hearing. 2.) Heifetz put very little vertical pressure on his bow, instead opting for faster horizontal movement. This gives him a lighter and more elegant tone, but also less "full." If you have more let me know.
adding to aimson's reply. i can tell u right now its not his violin or his playing or intetional. his violin is a strad or a del gesu. his playing is definatly not it..he's jascha heifetz..and its not intentional because who would mess up a recording on purpose especially heifetz who always searched for exceptional tone and technique.
I do not wish to carry on this argument. It's mindless. We obviously do not see eye to eye on this. Let's just agree to disagree on this and move on. Thank you.
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I think that esther kims was better. Although not very technical, his was, how do I say. Dry. stiff and by the book, no emotion or thought ot theme what so ever.
Another one of Aimson's great treasures. When players reach virtuoso level, comparisons pass over my head; recording technology has changed so much. Challenge is to enjoy each.
I started listening to Esther Kim playing the Zapateado and I could stand about 20 seconds of it before turning it off. It's simply too sloppy, especially the tasteless ornaments and terrible articulation. Not saying she isn't talented for a 15-year-old but there simply is no comparison to my ears...
Your comment proves that your opinion has no merit whatsoever. First of all, Szeryng generally has better intonation than Heifetz, although Heifetz's intonation is 99.99999% accurate, I've heard Heifetz play a few out of tune notes before. I've never heard a single sharp or flat note from Szeryng. Secondly, if you like Kim's rendition better you might as well quit whatever instrument you play right now
A liking of a piece is subjective. There's nothing wrong with preferring Esther's interpretation over someone else's. Itzhak Perlman's version came up recently on YouTube and I love it. I'm improving on violin and I do think Esther's version isn't technically as good as the masters. Her pizzicato was unclear but I think she passed the "message" on - to me. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. No one's forcing you to.
The difference is that Esther Kim is an amateur musican. Besides it's stupid that you say she passed the "message" on, when Esther Kim is just a 15 year old american raised asian girl. Zapateado is a spanish dance and henryk Szeryng lived in Mexico for the majority of his life. Listen to Sarasate's own recording and it resembles Szeryng's most. Esther's in no way sounds like an authentic Spanish dance
As regards intonation: listen to opera singers. They will intentionally sing a bit sharper on a crescendo and increased tension in the music. The same with Heifetz. Intonation is to a small degree related to the music nuance.
I think it is important not to get into quibbling over "tomato" or "tomato". The litmus test, for all performances, is if they are done convincingly. It is the job of the performer to bring to life any music and give it character. If it was effective then the performer did their job.
of course thats one way of thinking, but thats not using one's own sensibilities to decide...ultimately we do not need to hear from someone else how to determine the value something has for us...that is our own intrinsic value system, if we hear genius and beauty in something, all the better, who cares if someone else doesn't...evolution and growth cannot occur by always referencing the past
just a thought...for me a composer is, like any of us, a channel...and thereby neither owns nor knows best his work...he/she simply is the one to birth it into the world...therefore, that person is not necessarily the best one to perform or interpret it...as such authenticity is a moot point...all that matters is what someone does who picks it up and renders it...don't mistake the messenger for the message lol
Then why all the bullshit fervor over playing Bach in a "Baroque" style as it was heard to Bach? Isn't the idea that there is only one way to "authentically" play Bach or baroque music? That any other "non-authentic" interpretation of Bach is somehow fake and dishonest?
Well, Heifetz was light years ahead of Sarasate in terms of technique and musicianship. But still, you can't get any more "authentic" than hearing the composer playing his own piece. Remember, Sarasate was considered one of the great violinists in the 19th century despite his shortcomings by modern standards.
It is rather hard to judge the older violinists, because the idea of musicianship was different. Personally, I think both recordings are great, they're just different styles. Also, you have to remember Sarasate was in his sixties when he made that recording, whereas Heifetz in in his prime here.
how do you know exactly that "Heifetz was light years ahead of Sarasate in terms of technique and musicianship"? Did you hear them both in the same concert hall?
By using my ears for listening and brain for thinking. Throw in a little personal judgment formed after listening to and playing music for the last 21 years and there you go.
On second thought I also disagree with "light years." I think from the two recordings that Sarasate's technique was not perfect because it didn't MATTER as much back then. In fact, I think the reason people make so much out of technical perfection today is 90% because of Heifetz. Before Heifetz it was OK to make a mistake. Ask Elman...
Yes, I agree, aimson, Heifetz had a lot to do with it. Although, I think the striving for perfection began with Sarasate (Ysaye said: "It was he who taught us to play exactly.") And, I believe, he was known for the perfection of his intonation early in his career. I think there are several reasons why he became a little sloppy. First, in those days, there were no recordings, so each performance was a one-off, never to be heard again. (cont)
(If they could have played back their own performances, they would have been more careful.) Second, as he grew older, with an immense reputation, he became a little laid-back. Third, he was 60 when he made those recordings, and 60 in 1904, was the equivalent of 75, or more, today. (Heifetz had retired by then.) Finally, I am not at all certain he would have played as fast as he did on those recordings if he hadn't been recording.(Cont)
I believe he was trying to cram each piece onto the short sides then available.I think we are wrong to judge him on those recordings. I think they should be only taken as a guide. Sarasate is one of my gods, and I really do believe that Sarasate and Heifetz, represent the technical peaks of violin playing in the 19th and 20th centuries, respectively.
One more point. Just look at the number of works written for and dedicated to him. I believe the list is longer than for any other violinist. If he had been as bad as some people have been saying he was, nobody would have bothered.
The only thing I have got against him is that he left that incredible violin to the Musee de la Musique. It hasn't been played since 1909, I believe. (1724, ex-Paganini, ex-Sarasate, and with a tone to die for.)
Azannya! -De a hegedűje is fantasztikus.
bullogh 1 month ago
watch?v=iRe5Zt8RKWA
TripleRhu 2 months ago
like they say 'Made to order for Maestro Heifetz!'
mabdulqadeer 4 months ago
Best Midori Goto.
mypersonalhome99 5 months ago
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stringscgda 5 months ago
Youtube "Midori Zapateado" -- she plays this better than anyone I've ever heard.
stringscgda 6 months ago
wonderfull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
gevorgasparyan 1 year ago
Someone commented on Heifetz'a technique. I think the unique Heifetz sound is due to his "perfect" right hand. The bow never slips and the sound is better. Of course his violin sound is also great. If you need to follow anything, follow his right hand. Learn not to "slip" on the string.
chngkooiseng 1 year ago
this is an entry the character counter doesn't seem to be wokring. What's going on?
LIfeIsAMarathon 1 year ago
"pundits" everywhere. i'd rather listen to keep things simple and pure
s2p3r 1 year ago
Why compare all of the greatest when we will never get there.
lezare2012 1 year ago 3
this version is great, but perlman probably has the best recording of the song
246trinitrotoluene 2 years ago
title for "best overall player"
paganini -> heifetz -> perlman -> vengerov?
246trinitrotoluene 2 years ago
Y Sarasate? Donde lo has dejado?
Tejo32 2 years ago
sarasate is my favourite composer for violin, but you're right, he was also a great player.....
there are just too many to name
246trinitrotoluene 2 years ago
And where is Oistrach, Quint, Milstein? They are better than Vengerov.
And actually I can name you some other violinists that are better than Vengerov.
Underheifetz 1 year ago
yes, there are many great violinists
but i'd say vengerov's play does surpass them
246trinitrotoluene 1 year ago
lovely
themusicdr 2 years ago
btw who gives a monkeys where hes from. just listen to the music and enjoy.
also i recommend listeing to josef hassids version
themusicdr 2 years ago
you're right. the szeryng version is magnificient.
schteffen 2 years ago
Heifetz plays this magnificantly. You should listen to szerynk's version aswell!
dagll 3 years ago 2
So this was recorded 20 years after the Sarasate himself recordings... I'm sure Sarasate would be very proud of Heifetz!!!
(By the way, when Sarasate was still alive Heifetz already was a child prodigy, studying with a pupil of Auer and making his public debut at 7 with the Mendelssohn concert!!)
ocramizz 3 years ago 3
That's pretty cool. Thanks for the info. I love the Auer school.
llewcellist 2 years ago
I love Heifetz, but I'm having an affair with Leonid Kogan :=P.
herraotic 3 years ago 15
the sandy sound that y guys here is caled distortion.you can here it a lot whene he is playing double ff becouse the mikerophone is very close to the violin. if it was a little far away we would not here the distortion.any way Mr.Heifetz is #1.
mrviolinman 3 years ago 2
wow im such a violin noob~
are all you guys watching these types of videos like prodigies too?
haha or maybe are music professionals?
abmba13 3 years ago
What a noob question
zuloon 3 years ago
of course.
im a noob.
abmba13 3 years ago 2
What's a "noob"?
valannen 3 years ago
ur kidding right
abmba13 3 years ago
It's some one with enough dignity to not spend their whole life on online forums.
memokarma30 3 years ago 9
mmm...no, fail
carrottoponcrak 3 years ago
Heifetz is still the supreme master of the violin.
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robertli2002 3 years ago
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no he's not
whenever he plays there's always this sandy sound to his tone quality
zuloon 3 years ago
When Heifetz recorded he insisted on keeping the microphone very class to his violin which created a "sandy sound".
violinist102 3 years ago
Theres a very good reason for that, Heifetz REFUSED to be recorded when the microphone was far away, he always demanded it be placed right in front of him so that that sandy sound is heard.
evpirazzi 3 years ago 2
the "sandiness" u hear is purely due to the recording process, and not to his playing. just ask anyone who has heard him play live before. his tone is one of the richest and most intense violin tones ever.
duhhh86 3 years ago 4
Heifetz is he greatest violinist of recorded history, probably of all time. No one comes close, either technically or artistically.
cwldoc 3 years ago
Well, to say that is quite a stretch. But in many terms, Heifetz is unsurpassed.
shawn1cai 3 years ago 2
cwldoc Heifetz is my favorite violinist, but I would absolutely hate not to have all the wonderful and brilliant interpretations that many other great violitists offer. If I just had to listen to one violinist It probably wouldn't be him just because the quality of recordings is better today.
Chopin742 3 years ago 3
is it just me, or do a lot of great violin players nowadays come from california?
chakatsu 4 years ago
yeah....i agree, bell, heifetz.. and a whole lot of others
whoathere69 4 years ago
joshua bell is actually from indiana...
twilightflame91 4 years ago
Heifetz was from Russia.
violinist102 3 years ago
No, he was Lithuanian.
patrickforsyth 3 years ago
He was NOT Lithuanian. He was a Russian-speaking Jew born in Vilnius when it was a part of the Russian Empire.
His mother tongue was Russian.
AulicExclusiva 2 years ago
Language has little to do with it...I see it primarily as a cultural distinction. For instance, the people of Afghanistan speak Farsi, but few would try to argue that the Afghan and Iranian cultures are the same (and if they did, they would be wrong). Heifetz was born in an area of the Russian Empire that had its own distinct culture, and is now referred to as Lithuania. I don't think it unreasonable to refer to him as Lithuanian.
patrickforsyth 2 years ago
Language and religion, the primary cultural indicators, have everything to do with it. Heifetz, who didn't speak Lithuanian, certainly never thought of or called himself Lithuanian. Neither did the majority Polish inhabitants of Vilnius. They considered themselves Poles.
AulicExclusiva 2 years ago
As for language in Afghanistan: Dari (Afghan Farsi; official) 50%, Pashto (official) 35%, Turkic languages (primarily Uzbek and Turkmen) 11%, 30 minor languages (primarily Balochi and Pashai) 4%, much bilingualism.
AulicExclusiva 2 years ago
In my opinion, what may cause some people to like esther kim's recording is just the recording quality. Absolutezero, let's not get into racial issues, man, cuz wow dat's ugly.
chakatsu 4 years ago
I've got to agree with AndromedaAiken. Although Heifetz is one of the greats---Kim's recording is amazing too. All of these people are on a completely different level than all of us...
Vballdabomb 4 years ago
ok so i've been doing my reading and i KNOW that Heifetz is one of the big ones... but to me all his recordings sound slightly... scratchy.. and i KNOW that it's an old recording but that's not the sound that bothers me..
is that intentional, is it his violin or do i have an hearing impediment?
112343211 4 years ago 2
Two things: 1.) Perlman noted that Heifetz liked to put the microphone very close to his violin, which created what he calls the "jitt" sound you might be hearing. 2.) Heifetz put very little vertical pressure on his bow, instead opting for faster horizontal movement. This gives him a lighter and more elegant tone, but also less "full." If you have more let me know.
aimson 4 years ago 5
@aimson
You got that from " The Art of Violin"
Am I right?
chaoqtvayabien 5 months ago
adding to aimson's reply. i can tell u right now its not his violin or his playing or intetional. his violin is a strad or a del gesu. his playing is definatly not it..he's jascha heifetz..and its not intentional because who would mess up a recording on purpose especially heifetz who always searched for exceptional tone and technique.
violaplayer1995 4 years ago
I do not wish to carry on this argument. It's mindless. We obviously do not see eye to eye on this. Let's just agree to disagree on this and move on. Thank you.
AndromedaAiken 4 years ago
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I think that esther kims was better. Although not very technical, his was, how do I say. Dry. stiff and by the book, no emotion or thought ot theme what so ever.
Ducki56 4 years ago
lllllove
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akabaebae 4 years ago
Another one of Aimson's great treasures. When players reach virtuoso level, comparisons pass over my head; recording technology has changed so much. Challenge is to enjoy each.
BarNuun 4 years ago
I actually think Heifetz was more in tune than Szeryng's was lol but I think I still like Esther Kim's version better. ;)
AndromedaAiken 4 years ago
i happen to have the same idea as yours! hehe..Esther's version is the most comfortable to my ears
musique55 4 years ago
everytime u hear a piece played by heifetz. u kno its gonna be in tune. especially those octaves and double stops and harmonics.
violaplayer1995 4 years ago
I started listening to Esther Kim playing the Zapateado and I could stand about 20 seconds of it before turning it off. It's simply too sloppy, especially the tasteless ornaments and terrible articulation. Not saying she isn't talented for a 15-year-old but there simply is no comparison to my ears...
aimson 4 years ago 7
Your comment proves that your opinion has no merit whatsoever. First of all, Szeryng generally has better intonation than Heifetz, although Heifetz's intonation is 99.99999% accurate, I've heard Heifetz play a few out of tune notes before. I've never heard a single sharp or flat note from Szeryng. Secondly, if you like Kim's rendition better you might as well quit whatever instrument you play right now
AbsoluteZ3R0 4 years ago
A liking of a piece is subjective. There's nothing wrong with preferring Esther's interpretation over someone else's. Itzhak Perlman's version came up recently on YouTube and I love it. I'm improving on violin and I do think Esther's version isn't technically as good as the masters. Her pizzicato was unclear but I think she passed the "message" on - to me. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. No one's forcing you to.
AndromedaAiken 4 years ago
The difference is that Esther Kim is an amateur musican. Besides it's stupid that you say she passed the "message" on, when Esther Kim is just a 15 year old american raised asian girl. Zapateado is a spanish dance and henryk Szeryng lived in Mexico for the majority of his life. Listen to Sarasate's own recording and it resembles Szeryng's most. Esther's in no way sounds like an authentic Spanish dance
AbsoluteZ3R0 4 years ago
As regards intonation: listen to opera singers. They will intentionally sing a bit sharper on a crescendo and increased tension in the music. The same with Heifetz. Intonation is to a small degree related to the music nuance.
hnk777 3 years ago
@AndromedaAiken Try Midori's.
sbeallvln 1 year ago
I think it is important not to get into quibbling over "tomato" or "tomato". The litmus test, for all performances, is if they are done convincingly. It is the job of the performer to bring to life any music and give it character. If it was effective then the performer did their job.
svennevig 4 years ago
of course thats one way of thinking, but thats not using one's own sensibilities to decide...ultimately we do not need to hear from someone else how to determine the value something has for us...that is our own intrinsic value system, if we hear genius and beauty in something, all the better, who cares if someone else doesn't...evolution and growth cannot occur by always referencing the past
miketoddd 4 years ago
just a thought...for me a composer is, like any of us, a channel...and thereby neither owns nor knows best his work...he/she simply is the one to birth it into the world...therefore, that person is not necessarily the best one to perform or interpret it...as such authenticity is a moot point...all that matters is what someone does who picks it up and renders it...don't mistake the messenger for the message lol
miketoddd 4 years ago
Then why all the bullshit fervor over playing Bach in a "Baroque" style as it was heard to Bach? Isn't the idea that there is only one way to "authentically" play Bach or baroque music? That any other "non-authentic" interpretation of Bach is somehow fake and dishonest?
aimson 4 years ago
sarasates recording was made, like, a hundred years ago...
no im being serious
IllegalAmigo07 4 years ago
For this piece, listen to Sarah Chang's recording. The best.
dostc 4 years ago
szeryng's recording is much more in tune!
govibe 4 years ago
I must say this is better than Sarasate's own version. (it has nothing to do with the horrible quality of that version)
cuzigothighh 4 years ago
Well, Heifetz was light years ahead of Sarasate in terms of technique and musicianship. But still, you can't get any more "authentic" than hearing the composer playing his own piece. Remember, Sarasate was considered one of the great violinists in the 19th century despite his shortcomings by modern standards.
aimson 4 years ago
It is rather hard to judge the older violinists, because the idea of musicianship was different. Personally, I think both recordings are great, they're just different styles. Also, you have to remember Sarasate was in his sixties when he made that recording, whereas Heifetz in in his prime here.
thepaladin1492 4 years ago 3
how do you know exactly that "Heifetz was light years ahead of Sarasate in terms of technique and musicianship"? Did you hear them both in the same concert hall?
govibe 4 years ago
By using my ears for listening and brain for thinking. Throw in a little personal judgment formed after listening to and playing music for the last 21 years and there you go.
aimson 4 years ago
Cant agree with the "light years" but, aimson
richygm16 3 years ago
On second thought I also disagree with "light years." I think from the two recordings that Sarasate's technique was not perfect because it didn't MATTER as much back then. In fact, I think the reason people make so much out of technical perfection today is 90% because of Heifetz. Before Heifetz it was OK to make a mistake. Ask Elman...
aimson 3 years ago
Yes, I agree, aimson, Heifetz had a lot to do with it. Although, I think the striving for perfection began with Sarasate (Ysaye said: "It was he who taught us to play exactly.") And, I believe, he was known for the perfection of his intonation early in his career. I think there are several reasons why he became a little sloppy. First, in those days, there were no recordings, so each performance was a one-off, never to be heard again. (cont)
richygm16 3 years ago
(If they could have played back their own performances, they would have been more careful.) Second, as he grew older, with an immense reputation, he became a little laid-back. Third, he was 60 when he made those recordings, and 60 in 1904, was the equivalent of 75, or more, today. (Heifetz had retired by then.) Finally, I am not at all certain he would have played as fast as he did on those recordings if he hadn't been recording.(Cont)
richygm16 3 years ago
I believe he was trying to cram each piece onto the short sides then available.I think we are wrong to judge him on those recordings. I think they should be only taken as a guide. Sarasate is one of my gods, and I really do believe that Sarasate and Heifetz, represent the technical peaks of violin playing in the 19th and 20th centuries, respectively.
richygm16 3 years ago
One more point. Just look at the number of works written for and dedicated to him. I believe the list is longer than for any other violinist. If he had been as bad as some people have been saying he was, nobody would have bothered.
The only thing I have got against him is that he left that incredible violin to the Musee de la Musique. It hasn't been played since 1909, I believe. (1724, ex-Paganini, ex-Sarasate, and with a tone to die for.)
richygm16 3 years ago
Thank you!
thepaladin1492 5 years ago