Sharia is not perfect. And it is not logic to say the least. Especially in this age. Come on if someone steals a candy from a shop. According to sharia that criminals hands must chopped off. IS THAT SO CALLED THE SCARED WAY.
And that is why Seclarism is the only way. Because bickering about sharia what is actually outdated to say the least. Is beyond dangerous. Afghanistan is a great example of that.
@Superageofreason ur cmt //if someone steals a candy from a shop. According to sharia that criminals hands must chopped off// reveals an ignorance of Sharia- in fact the amputation of hands has historically always been understood as punishment for severe cases of theft. Quran too uses the word Sariqa for such theft which implies a high level of theft. Its not all that different from society setting the limits, only that the law is scripture-based in essence
Turkey and Tunesia are the only two civiled country in the whole ummah. How sad to say outy 47 countries only 2 is respected world wide as civilezed countries. Turkey is in the Nato it cant get better then that.
Islam is should be between a muslim and Allah. And nobody has the right to implent islam on nobody. Everybody has the human right to whatever they
want. As long has no law has been broken.
The muslim world is socially, economically and technologically bankrupt.
@Jesuriah If you want to talk about economical growth then I suggest you research a bit deeper into the banking system and the distribution of wealth. Perhaps your "social, economical and technological growth" has left the Earth, its resources and its people in a precarious position? All this extraordinary development still leaves half the world starving to death while the other halve is dying of over-eating? Do what the Qur'an invites you to do - to gain knowledge, to think, to reason. :)
@Jesuriah "When religion ruled we called it the dark ages." Yes, until Islam kicked-started the Renaissance in Europe. There seems to be a tremendous amount amnesia about when it comes to discussing the Scientific contributions by Muslims. It's know that Muslim Scientists names were changed to Latin, not by Muslims of course e.g.'Ibn al-Haytham' became 'Alhazen'. :)
"What is Taught: Paul Ehrlich (19th century) is the originator of drug chemotherapy, that is the use of specific drugs to kill microbes."
"What Should be Taught: Muslim physicians used a variety of specific substances to destroy microbes. They applied sulfur topically specifically to kill the scabies mite. Ar-Razi (10th century) used mercurial compounds as topical antiseptics."
@jesuriah I suggest you look at the Scientific advancement during the 8th to 15th centuries by Muslims and then work out how much of it you use today. This is part of the fulfillment for Muslims to seek knowledge. Find out who developed the first hospitals or gave you the scientific method or who taught Europeans medicine, optics, theoretical physics, and so on. I suggest you visit 1001inventions.dot.com and watch the film with Ben Kingsley. This was when the Muslims "clung-on" to the Qur'an. :)
@dobipower1 justify the bomb dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki.....more humans have DIED by you dirty terrorist secularists than islam...justify those 2 i mentioned
@Vmax786 Secularism does not lead to one of the largest genocides in recorded history. The separation of church and state makes no comment on killing innocent civilians.
btw more people have died under communism than islam....BY FAAARRR.....under stalin...6 million christians...under mao...4 million people....under hitler...6 million jews....ALL under the name of communism.....so dont give this BULL**** about islam being a terror religion...it is infact the solution
@ali12147 Ya go go sharia law, I'm so glad I don't live anywhere near that crap. It's only a matter of time before people oppressed by sharia law will rebel against it. I would take torture and death before ever submitting to Islam, sharia law, or any other religion.
The great scientific age of Islam was when the Mutazilites were running the show, Mutazilites school of Islam was what brought the "islamic golden age" of science and free inquiry in Cordoba and baghdad, They held to the conviction that human reason was more reliable then tradition.
The created a environment were people were free to question and challenge long held beliefs about the world around them , Without fear of reprisal. You won't find that in the Islamic world today.
The golden age declined because of Sharia you idiot. Wake up! Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is laughing in his grave. Turkey is the only SECULAR nation in the muslim world, 1 trillion dollar economy, 99% literacy, GDP per capita of $17,000, tourism, manufacturing, transportation. THERE IS NOT A DROP OF OIL IN TURKEY and look at how far Turkey has come, all because Mustafa Kemal kept "Sharia-The Quran-Mullahs-Imam's" out of Govt!! Sharia law: stoning for adultery, force veiling, etc will get us nowhere!
According to the Economists, Economies grow because of:
A) Freedom
B) Peace
C) Justice
When the Shari'ah was implemented, these were implemented in the Muslim lands.
Attaturk also implemented these three and there are some things I respect about him. But, you cannot say Muslims the Shari'ah caused economic downfall.
The ottoman empire fell into the same trap that the "U.S" is now repeating today, Spending beyond its means, Istanbul burrowed heavily from foreign financial institutions becoming greatly indepted, It becoming more backward then Russia it needed to pay the British and French to "modernize" the ottoman army during the Crimean war since it was still fighting like it was the 1700's , Its scientific output was abysmal, When the "young turks" took over the Ummah became disillusioned.
@calypspoetryguy.. Turkey has conquered more when it was an Islamic state than pretty much any nation..when the leaders became corrupt and lost their islam they lost the strength..its quite simple..the point u make is very obviously flawed
If it were funny, it would be funny! Old Testament is the only bits that are right? OMG (TXT speak!) F**k my daughters - it's polite! Islamic science went from world leading in 1000 CE to pathetic nonsence today - Al Jazeera broadcast a 'science' programme saying flies carried a cure for AIDS on their wings (Due to Hadith predictions) If Islam cannot accept reality, how true can it be?
Judeo Christian tradition always welcomed new ideas, new ways of thinking and self criticism. This is why the west reached the highest level of civilization. I am a muslim, but my fellow muslims, the CALIPHATE has ended in 1923. Theocracy like "Sharia Law" is like Communism, its a failed state. Sharia countries have povery, illiteracy, and secular ideas help muslims progress, get them out of poverty and help them reach success. I am not against Islam, but we must accept univeral human rights!
There's no Sharia state. Look Islam reach the golden age due to their adherence to the Qur'an and it's law, not by becoming secular. Today Muslim countries use secular law like the French and English law and hence our sad state. We suffer the same symptoms of the West; corruption, homosexuality, rampant fornication, crime, etc. That's what secular law promotes.
@RealFan Then why did the western world prosper in the Age of Colonialism, while most of the muslim countries still clinged to the Qur'an, and the Muslim world lagged behind. Explain that to me please.
The goal of the Muslims according to the Quran is not necessarily to prosper in the life of This current physical world; rather their goal is to pass through the life of This world and its trials and tribulations safely and successfully, in order to return to their native home in the Hereafter - which is Paradise/Jannah in the presence of their Lord. Allahu Akbar!
Christianity once dreamed of ruling the entire world, but then they were in the Dark Ages. What saved them was the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. These reformations came in the 15 th century. Islam was a religion founded in the 6th century and now we are in the 21st century. Islam is today where Christianity was before the Enlightenment. Universal Human Rights, Secularism, & Modernity are the foundations of the global modern world in the 21 century. Islam needs a Reformation for world peace
@calypspoetryguy Unfortunately from wha ti have seen there seems to be no way to reform islam. If muslims believe that islam is the uniquivical unchanging word of god they cannot just up and start living a secular existence. Im afraid its one way or the other for islam no in between regardless of decent people such as yourself.
When the speaker in this video talks about secularism. What he means is, education, scientific progress, freedom of thought, free expression of ideas, debate and public participation in the process of governance.
If indeed Islam is opposed to those things, it is actually anti civilisation. As a social ideology, it is therefore not fit for purpose, in the global technological arena. Some sort of reform within Islam is desperately needed for it's survival. Opposing secularism is not an option.
The honest truth is that all you see is the way the U.S.A does things and as such you atomatically assume it is the best. That is not the Muslim way the west is largely a godless place with this massive religious organization that used to rule everything. Muslims never had that, we never had popes and we never had problems with Islam being the focus of our lives Secularism worked for the U.S. that does not make it the Muslim Answer i think we would rather keep god peace.
Actually, the biggest threat to Islam. Is the violent actions of religious extremists, which go unchecked by the, so called, moderate majority.
Secularism, on the contrary, is the protector of religion. Most countries in the developed world allow total freedom of religious practice. With laws to prevent discrimination on religious grounds.
Theocracies, on the other hand, are notoriously oppressive and intolerant. They are technologically backward with poor education standards.
Actually the biggest threat to Islam is westerners who think their way is the best and only way and wish to impose their way on everyone by force of divide conquer and then set up puppet governments in charge of those nationalities with no loyalty to their own Creator, Religion, People. They then assume that their own history of their own church is that of the rest of the world despite even though freedom of religion is in the Sharia (taxed) but not persecuted.
@mohabri [ "freedom of religion is in the Sharia (taxed) but not persecuted." ]
Well, in secular societies, like here in Britain, People are free to practice any religion they want, without paying any tax on it.
We are also free not to adhere to any religion.
Ask yourself why the Islamic golden age is now only a distant memory. Perhaps the 11th &12th centuries had their own extremists, versions of Hamza Yusuf and his ilk. More than enough to put out any light of reason.
Or maybe its the invasions that happened right after when savages from the north decided they need to stop fighting each other and get land else where. To be honest if you want the answer to why Muslim society is not at the cutting edge newest stages of development like the American Socialist capatilist democracies the answer is just look at yourself. Once the west stops bothering the middle east for oil the Middle east should become great again.
Oil trade brings immense wealth into the region? I thought it was just the saudi royal family who got any money off oil trade. A royal family of traitors and figurheads to the west. The oil industry has just done nothing but make sure that Arabs are conquered all the time. It made our economies stagnant as we have no diversity except oil wealth. You just do not know what you are talking about. As for scientific progress with out Islam maybe the west would be still washing their mouth with piss.
@mohabri "As for scientific progress with out Islam maybe the west would be still washing their mouth with piss."
Charming!
We see this kind of sentiment expressed all too often. Though it seems, the clock stood still in the 15th century, for Islamic cultural development.
Realistically, given the legacy of the 'golden age' 5 centuries of subsequent Islamic leadership did not lead to modern science. Why not? Islamic counties currently make a negligible contribution to new knowledge?
"I'd like to look at secularism historically"...So the rest of this video must be bullshit. Secularism has done more to promote social, economical and technological growth that theocracy could ever do.
If you think like that, then you're exactly the one who is manipulated by the government. There is more killing than ever, only the rich abides by the rules whereas the poor struggles as hard as he can. We see the economical state which the world is in now, indeed. And regarding technological growth, it brought more evil than good. History will repeat if you don't look at it and that's what the Shaykh wants to make clear, but of course why would you care ? You're situation is not poor.
No, I'm the one who votes in the proletariat's best interests. If you look at the division of wealth and labor, you'll see it has narrowed in the past hundred years. Have you ever heard of the Bessemer process, antibiotics, the automobile, or electricity? None of these things came from researching holy books. You sir or madam are the one who needs to look at history, because you are completely mistaken. When religion ruled we called it the dark ages.
@jesuriah Did you hear of Algebra, Arabic numerals(0123456789) these are just some of the contributions made during the rule of Islam. Also, the preservation and translation of many of the classical works(ie:Socrates, Aristotle). In addition, it was the dark age for europe but in the Muslim world from iberian peninsula to anatolia they were going through a period of enlightenment. Unfortunately we live in a time were our scholars are replaced by pundits and lions are ruled by lambs.
Really cause in the Islamic golden Age when the muslims were all so well taken care of by each other that you could not find a man poor enough to qualify for charity in the nation that does not count. Nor does the birth of Algebra, Trigonometry, Hemodynamics and many other modern day fields of study in Math, Science Medicine etc it does not count though these were made in Muslim (theocracies) your view on history is one sided as such lacking when it comes to Muslims learn more about b4 u judge.
Islam did not give the world these things. Secular science did. Muslims did not learn mathematics or medicinal skills by studying the Koran, they learned these processes by studying the natural world without using a deity as an answer.
Beautiful. Just the response I want. And i think we are both refering to different messages so i didn't see that message where you mentioned dark ages. It was the dark ages for the british and europeans. Not for the Muslims. If you were to study how the renaissance originated, it was due to the inspiration of very religious poeple. Just research into the "translation movement" to begin with. And look into characters like Averrose (ibn rush) and Aveccina (Ibn sina)
@jesuriah Modernity, this Social, Technological growth comes from ISLAM. Without islam we would not have the Modern World.
the NHS, Social Security, Hospitals, Univeristies, infact MODERN Structures come from the Muslims. Don't believe me.....do your research on Muslim Spain, the Impact of islam on what was to become the Renaissance. No Islam No Renaissance. period. Without Islam there was NO Modern Science. You really need to do your research
@funkyfaz55 So, Louis Pasteur, Alexander Graham Bell, Einstein, Copernicus, Newton, Curie, Tesla, Darwin, Hawking, Roger Bacon, etc. were Muslim? That's news to me!
Besides, as I've already stated, Islam didn't contribute anything to the Renaissance. Muslims may have, but the religion should not receive credit for the work individuals do.
Modern hospitals, universities, and western buildings got their start in the Aegean, from the Greeks.
@jesuriah IF u knew you're history. which clearly you do not, you would know that without Islam THERE WOULD BE NO RENAISSANCE......i can send you the evidence. Documentaries made by British TV. Islam deserves the credit fot this reason....The Arabs were nobodies. When they became Muslims this is when they became The Greatest Ever of Civilizations.
Modern Hospitals owe everything to Muslims, and the Gown worn by Graduates.....i don't think The Greeks wore those types.....
@funkyfaz55 Wait, so I give examples of what makes my point correct, and you simply make assertions without attempting to back them up with any sort of evidence.
"...Islam THERE WOULD BE NO RENAISSANCE"
Without moderate minded people, you mean. Islam says nothing of studying the natural world, reformation of politics and art, as far as I know(feel free to correct me)
I'm sorry, but neither Islam nor Muslims are responsible for the Germ Theory.
MashALLAH very good informative video. May ALLAH SWT be pleased with his efforts and dawah. AMEN. May ALLAH SWT guide those who turn to him for guidence. AMEN.
This Shaykh is not responsible for what the Shi'ite regime in Irân is doing since this Shaykh is not a Shi'i and doesn't agree with their interpretation. So get your facts right.
I'll tell you what I tell others who leave comments like yours -- if you don't like it, go watch a video more in keeping with your tastes. And don't make up stuff to shore up your argument -- even critics of Iran will tell you that women there don't get beheaded for revealing their hair.
tieInterceptor - the whole Muslim world knows more about Shariah law than the Shariah courts of Iran and Saudi Arabia. Don't forget that Iran is a Shia-majority country and Saudi Arabia a follower of the strictest sect of Islam. In these countries Shariah law (or their warped interpretation of it) is used as a political tool to control the masses.
yes only the mujahideen are implementing real islamic law. Saudi love to chop hands, and heads, but never implement economic, social system etc, and iran are rafida kuffar.
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there's always this stupid misconception that being religious somehow creates a moral standard, which is funny because i find no connection between any abrahamic faith's morals and modern morality. a good example would be the fact that women aren't entirely seen as cattle in the 21st century. another example would be that in modern times, stoning your child to death for leaving the faith may be seen as child abuse. :)
Interestingly, women did not receive recognition as legal persons in the western world until around the turn of the 20th century, whereas this was established well over a thousand years ago in Islam. Islam also established woman's right to inheritance, property, and divorce. This was in the 6th century.
Reading is fundamental, my friend. If you are interested in learning - and not just regurgitating half-baked polemics - I'd suggest any of the books by Fatima Mernissi, Amina Wadud, or Asma Barlas.
Good luck increasing your knowledge in the future.
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so, Fatima Mernissi and Amina wadud know better than the haddith the curan, and the Sharia courts that say that a woman shall inherit 1/2 of a man, and that a woman is worth 1/2 of a man as a witness in court, and that the Man are one degree above women (Quran 4:34 )
you think that those "Fatima Mernissi, Amina Wadud, or Asma Barlas" know something that the Sharia courts of Iran and Saudi arabia do not know?
The periodic table of elemnts might be an imperfect manmade model of reality, but holy books are LITERATURE!!
I am willing to respect your right to do whatever you want at home (worship the invisible and improbable, whatch crap Tv, grow beans, I really don´t care) but don´t even think for a minute you are going to impose this crap on those of us who know better than bronze age morals based on superstitious bulshit.
its very interesting to see that all the haters posting on this video are just shouting out insults or trying to make their own points based on rhetoric, but yet have said nothing to counter any of his points ....very interesting 21st century debating...
oh jeah .. of cause .. i forgot about the most important thing about video, the audio!.. duuh .. how could i forget... and btw .. he talkinging crap and is obviously using votebots... lame.. all in all .. lame.
and if i would be gay i would shuv my thick long penis right up your tight dry hairy ass.
then why do you need a better video quality when he's just standing there..this is not some music video clips or what so ever that require attention to the video quality ...stooopid!
All superstition is threatened by Science. Fairies, unicorns, goblins, genies, djinns, ghosts, and minotaurs are all threatened as well. Science and secularism isn't really hostile, it just deals with reality and everything outside of reality (ie supernatural or superstitious) is therefore naturally scared because they are not true, real or defendable. Religions will fail, it will lose. Each step of knowledge destroys the shadows of ignorance that all religions rely on.
Your statement that science deals with "reality and everything outside of reality (i.e., the supernatural)" is just not true. The scientific method has to do with the natural world only; anything else is philosophy or religion. How could the scientific method adjudicate on a question that it was not designed to deal with, i.e., the supernatural or metaphysical? You're message simply denies the supernatural a priori, when in fact there are philosophical and religious and existential reasons 4 it
Well I have never heard of a good argument for the supernatural. Essentially I have a naturalistic/ materialistic perspective, a perspective that has gotten us to the moon and the computer chip. What practical knowledge or usefulness is gained from believing in the supernatural? how does it differ from believing in fairies? Every sense input to our brain is physical, our brain is physical and the reality independent of us is physical. Metaphysics is useless, it provides nothing, answers nothing.
You are right that science deals with what is measurable and therefore a part of reality. The thing is though that the explanations used before the scientific revolution were based considerably more on supernatural (made up) explanations. The study of natural world has demolished those weak and useless beliefs. I was not saying science 'deals with everything outside of reality' I said it 'deals with reality - - and everything outside of reality is therefore scared'
We know that the muslims kept scientific materials from the Greek. But they didn't just serve as a storage room for you . They actually developped it based on Islamic methodology!! And everyone who studies what they developped would have to admit there works and studies started the renaissance. (The scientific method has to do with the natural world only)That's because you're only used to dealing with the outside of the world. One aspect.A Recepy for failure in the long run...
seamr05: The muslim scientific height was indeed in the Andalucian Caliphate, however basically no progress whatsoever has been made since then.
Why are there no prominent muslim scientists, or discoveries, or inventions in modern day? Where are the muslim Nobel prizes? Is there even any significant computer development at all in Muslim countries?
The thing about progress is that you can't cling to ancient accomplishments. Secularism is the only path to regain any prominence.
This is factually incorrect. Christianity (contra Hamza Yusuf) was not against science, as he suggests. Actually, it was Christianity that provided the environment for the development of science because it was Christianity that taught that the world was 'cosmos': an orderly universe. Therefore, the world could be investigated scientifically.
Galileo was imprisoned (unjustly) for teaching that it is a fact that the earth orbits the sun (rather than vice versa) without sufficent evidence. The Catholic Church did allow thinkers to teach the theory that the earth orbits the sun but as a hypothesis ONLY (Copernicus was teaching this before Galileo, but only as a theory, and he was never arrested for it! In fact, he WAS a Catholic priest). The evidence for the earth orbiting the sun was NOT sufficent at the time G was preaching it as fact
What is at issue is not the facts about Copernicus and Galileo (Galileo was imprisoned for *PROVIDING* evidence) but rather that a religious institution saw fit to imprison someone for having a contrary view.
Science has to include the airing of contrary views (otherwise there could be no progress in it) which flies in the face of any claimed support for science by religion (even to this day.)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING US!!! OMG!!! If it wasn't for the muslims in andalucia, you would have stayed in the dark ages....AGAIN OMG!!!
This may be the case, but the muslims acquired there knowledge SECOND HAND, from the great Greek thinkers: Plato, Aristotle, etc. And that is part of our EUROPEAN heritage. Read Imam al-Ghazali, who was teaching that the universe was not governed by natural laws, but by the capricious governace of Allah. This is why the sciences did not flourish in Islam: because if there are no natural laws, only arbitary will, then there can be no investigation of nature!
1)"Read Imam al-Ghazali, who was teaching that the universe was not governed by natural laws, but by the capricious governace of Allah. This is why the sciences did not flourish in Islam: because if there are no natural laws, only arbitary will, then there can be no investigation of nature!"
Do you have any idea of what that means???!!! -NO you absolutely don't.Because it takes great depth to understand the concept of God in Islam.
bayreuth79: "the muslims acquired there knowledge SECOND HAND"
The muslims at the time did not *ONLY* take all their knowledge from the Greeks and Romans (which was given back to the Xians through the Jews). They also incorporated the Hindu concept of '0', they invented both algebra the scientific method itself and the technology of irrigation.
The progress of science and society has come through the great streak of secularism which runs through all peoples *IN SPITE* of religion.
seamr05: "If it wasn't for the muslims in andalucia, you would have stayed in the dark ages"
Actually, if it wasn't for the jews who the muslims allowed to stay in Andalucia and translate the teachings of the greeks and romans, we wouldn't have escaped the dark ages.
It was a group effort and it wasn't specifically Islam that saved us, but rather tolerance beyond Islam and a revival of greek curiosity from the jews that saved us.
But who will save the Muslims from their current dark age?
bayreuth79: "This is factually incorrect. Christianity (contra Hamza Yusuf) was not against science, as he suggests"
*All religion* is against science.
The Christians invented the very concept of book burning and did so with great vigor when it came to greek books in science. And they continue to do so to this very day (vis a Sarah Palin.)
As evolution is "inconvenient" to Islam (and creationist xians) so too do they reject science. And they continue to embrace their own dark ages.
This is the continuation of my previous comment to pikechris1 :
only this kind of people, the garbage of Europe otherwise, are capable of such a blasphemy not necessarely spitfully but by ignorance, his name is MOHAMED you dickhead!
some say "his" name was moo-ham-head. have you heard that one?
how come? are you an expert on phonetics in all of the languages? your "kind" claims we dont know arabic so we are exempt from understanding the kuran. if this rule is to be upheld, which is of course utterly bogus, just like all the stories we read there, then you cant criticize spelling variants in different languages which you have no knowledge of.
again, its those basics or rather lack there of. lol
just a little twisted detail, only for you odisious. modern communism was heavily inspired by christianity, they only left out the gods. one of the greatest mistakes they made however was, they have replaced the gods with people. you know uncle lenin and stalin and mao and pol pot... the most religious communist country is north korea. look it up! or rather lock your self up... lol
secularism a threat to islam?? secularism promotes the separation of religion and government. it is not an attack on any religion. secularism only holds that government should not meddle with peoples religion nor should religious groups insert their religious principles into the government or public arena. How is that a threat to any religion?
Muslims will leave islam unless the government forces them?
His speech is clear cut, "convert or burn" "submit or fry". Secularism is what stopped us from killing each other and help bring tolerance and mutual respect and equity to amongst peoples of differing faiths.
yeah, and imagine, he is considered one of the "moderates". are there really any moderate muslims? or those who we would call moderate, the so called moderates like "our" shaykh hamza here would already consider infidels...
Yes there is moderates, More then likely wont be coming from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, The moderates tend be people that the status quo regard as "heretics".
Men that court power are rarely "moderate" in nature.
sure brother, sure... but if "you" get a lobotomy its the same as if you were a muslim, christian, hindu, jew, atheist, theist, deist, pantheist, etc.
firing a weapon works on the same philosophical/scientific principle. kicking someones ass ditto. it simply doesnt matter (who you are). havent you noticed yet?! and what does give us the best explanations and predictions? well? its science. get used to it. :)
ermm... people convert to islam you know, not all of us are born muslim, and they arent all the same, they are really different, only an atheist or an antitheist would say all the religions are more or less the same. they just share the idea of being held accountable in the end.
speaking of scientific methodology, it was upgraded by the muslims into modern methodoly after the muslims upgraded the greek scientific model which had no experimentation, or just too little of it
no? the last time i was involved in a discussion, "they" claimed we were (all born muslim).
"atheist or an antitheist would say all the religions are more or less the same."
atheism doesnt "know anything" about religions, its not about comparative religious studies, but you can be an atheist and you can study comparative religion.
most religions share about 12 (wallaces) behavioral complexes.
yet they didnt make it to the industrial revolution. and if those scientists would have passed mahomets criteria is very questionable imo. we know some of them were quite controversial figures and their books were even banned. today we observe similar tendencies, or even something worse. scientists are asked to search the power of jinns, academic freedom almost nonexistent, people being "reneducated" back into the early medievals (proof is genuine islämic footage)
I knew you were from eastern Europe!from the word "mahometan".Only the ignorant backword comunists, people that realy have been fucked for tens of years by comunism, living like dogs, or should I say dead living people, totaly isolated from the rest of civilization, in a total darkness, and it's darkness properly :)),[when did you start to see light after 8pm in your country ?:))]
"I knew you were from eastern Europe!from the word "mahometan"."
actually mahometan has nothing to do with eastern europe at all. lack of knowledge on your side.
"Only .. country ?"
communism doesnt necessarily mean backwardness. there were and are plenty of types of communism. however, most of them dont bring what they promise. ive been a dissident all my life.
btw, geographically, im from a country which is to be found in the very middle of europe.
DEMOCRACY OR DEMONCRACY IS BILATERAL WITH SECULARISM... The father of secularism is a man known as Ibn Rushd more famously known as Avveroes, This man is single handedly responsible for the introduction of separation of religion from politics and governmental rule... He a "Muslim" paved the way for the European Renaissance and thus planted the seeds to the secular anti islamic society we find our selves in today...
Islam is a constricting lifestyle that is not fit for everyone.
Islam is obviously not working, because there is violence in even countries that have 100% muslim populations like Afghanistan.
It doesn't work because it's wrong. Religion does not work as great as secularism does. Religion is constricting, and squashes new ideas that help society progress.
Who would have thought that having an imaginary friend in the sky could be so harmful?
isläm is a dictatorship. its the submission to "god". "you" are slaves of "god". nothing happens but with "allahs" will. thats what we would call a heavenly malevolent puppet theater performance. fastest growing, perhaps thats disputable, but certainly with fast growing problems.
hdr,undp,org/en/statistics/
consang,net/index,php/Global_prevalence
there are no "1000000000000 Muslims" world wide. you screwed it up by a factor of 166.67 when comparing to the total world population.
In North Korea , You ask them whats the purpose in life? They will respond by saying serving "the great blessed leader Kim Il-sung " is the purpose of life .
Ask a Muslim whats the purpose in life, He will say to serve "Allah and his messenger" followed by Peace be upon him .
A ask a German during the 3rd Reich whats the purpose in life?He will say ," Serve the Fuhrer and die for national socialism followed by sieg heil".
sure, we can put them all into the same potato sack!
lets worship gravity, the most mysterious force we know about... what comes up, must come down, up, up, up, down, down, down (with qualification). ;-)
Secular persons of moderate faith like spiritual Humanists, usually relate well in society with "skeptical secular Humanists", as they openly set aside any perceived religious judgments of Humanity, to a god's will in a hypothetical heaven. And, except (separation of religion and State) secular democratic rule of law, as a positive "natural arbitrator" on Earth, like "secular Humanists" do, without supernaturalism! Affirming abilities and responsibilities to lead ethical lives
of personal fulfillment, that aspire to the greater good of Humanity! Both, also emphasize, educated reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, Human values, compassion and cooperation.
Optimistically, from a latter 21st century on, Humanity will over -whelmingly encompass enlightened secularism. Pessimistically, fanatical religion in politics (if not vigorously confronted) will make the lives of progressive Humanity "Hell".
calypspoetry in spain islam's peace agreements allowed and protected jews and christians for 800 years, who invaded spain and killed arab christians based on there appearance while claiming it was for the church?
Look carefully to what Spain left for the world to witness, the first public hospitals specializing on certain cares., gravity water fountains for clean drinking water, spices, glasses to see the world was round not flat, i can go on.
Yep, secularism is a threat to Islam, because secularism makes life worth living. Islam, on the other hand, is a suicide cult. It makes me feel good knowing my secular lifestyle is threatening your cult.
Secularism is the only civilised way of living. To each his own, to me my own. Anything that separates humanity is unGodly. I'm Sure Allah,Buddha,Jesus,Rama,Mahavira,Guru Nanak and Jehovah agrees with me and all like-minded people. Don't listen to this Ego-voice preacher. Spirital men talk soft, sweet and melodious.
smisyt how is islam a suicide cult when you have more to say about Christianity and the nazis, hells angels, or let me guess, satanism? haha, you have to be brain dead to of missed that some even openly say they worship the devil and attack islam, why? cause they are and muslims are not.
I don't smoke drink or do drugs. But I don't want some Muslim Cleric telling me I cant because of some holy book. I don't have a religion, so I don't know what attacking Christianity is gonna do, because I attack that religion also. But Islam is worse, because there are more true believers of Islam than Christianity. Most Christians are liberal wishy washies who have never read the evil parts parts of the bible, and just make God what ever they want him to be... continued
And because most people are better than the God in the bible, their version of God ends up being better than the God in that book. Their version of God doesn't want sons sacrificed, children to be stoned, women to be abused, and mass killings.Their version of God generally wants peace which helps our society thrive. That should be proof that people get their morals from themselves, not from Gods, because you would have to go to Death Row to find someone with the morals of Allah or Yahweh.
IM A MUSLIM FROM A SUNNI FAMILY AND I AM NOT A MUSLIM BASHER, HOWEVER WE CANT DENY that there are many problems in the muslim world and we need to be more tolerant in the way we deal with the rest of humanity and focus more on human rights in the muslim world. Let a woman dress modestly as she pleases, no force marraige or honor killing, we MUST address these issues. Everytime I do I get attacked, I believe in Allah and the Prophet(PBUH) but we MUST address problems in muslim nations, WAKE UP!
..recently many foreigns have come and they made a church for them)...read about Qatar, look at Kuwait, Jordan and many other countries in the Middle East. Besides, where did you get this that a muslim would let a Jew die without trying to help.
Elibtisam no muslims would let a jew die with out help, prove that, in fact no jew should let a muslim die etc etc, all peoples who believe in God are against this, your talking about non believers.
I would imagine all religions feel threatened by secularism. It allows people to think.
I am not surprised religious apologists try to demonise it.
StopSpamming1 1 month ago
Where is PART 7 ?
hamzah938 6 months ago
Sharia is not perfect. And it is not logic to say the least. Especially in this age. Come on if someone steals a candy from a shop. According to sharia that criminals hands must chopped off. IS THAT SO CALLED THE SCARED WAY.
And that is why Seclarism is the only way. Because bickering about sharia what is actually outdated to say the least. Is beyond dangerous. Afghanistan is a great example of that.
Superageofreason 7 months ago
@Superageofreason ur cmt //if someone steals a candy from a shop. According to sharia that criminals hands must chopped off// reveals an ignorance of Sharia- in fact the amputation of hands has historically always been understood as punishment for severe cases of theft. Quran too uses the word Sariqa for such theft which implies a high level of theft. Its not all that different from society setting the limits, only that the law is scripture-based in essence
shadlko 2 months ago
Turkey and Tunesia are the only two civiled country in the whole ummah. How sad to say outy 47 countries only 2 is respected world wide as civilezed countries. Turkey is in the Nato it cant get better then that.
Islam is should be between a muslim and Allah. And nobody has the right to implent islam on nobody. Everybody has the human right to whatever they
want. As long has no law has been broken.
The muslim world is socially, economically and technologically bankrupt.
Superageofreason 7 months ago
@Jesuriah If you want to talk about economical growth then I suggest you research a bit deeper into the banking system and the distribution of wealth. Perhaps your "social, economical and technological growth" has left the Earth, its resources and its people in a precarious position? All this extraordinary development still leaves half the world starving to death while the other halve is dying of over-eating? Do what the Qur'an invites you to do - to gain knowledge, to think, to reason. :)
MartiansChronicle 7 months ago
@Jesuriah "When religion ruled we called it the dark ages." Yes, until Islam kicked-started the Renaissance in Europe. There seems to be a tremendous amount amnesia about when it comes to discussing the Scientific contributions by Muslims. It's know that Muslim Scientists names were changed to Latin, not by Muslims of course e.g.'Ibn al-Haytham' became 'Alhazen'. :)
MartiansChronicle 7 months ago
"What is Taught: Paul Ehrlich (19th century) is the originator of drug chemotherapy, that is the use of specific drugs to kill microbes."
"What Should be Taught: Muslim physicians used a variety of specific substances to destroy microbes. They applied sulfur topically specifically to kill the scabies mite. Ar-Razi (10th century) used mercurial compounds as topical antiseptics."
And we can go on and on with examples... :)
MartiansChronicle 7 months ago
@jesuriah I suggest you look at the Scientific advancement during the 8th to 15th centuries by Muslims and then work out how much of it you use today. This is part of the fulfillment for Muslims to seek knowledge. Find out who developed the first hospitals or gave you the scientific method or who taught Europeans medicine, optics, theoretical physics, and so on. I suggest you visit 1001inventions.dot.com and watch the film with Ben Kingsley. This was when the Muslims "clung-on" to the Qur'an. :)
MartiansChronicle 7 months ago
Religion should be between that person and god. Not the state and the individual. The most succesfull countries are the secular ones.
Superageofreason 7 months ago
chootya molvi
terajasoos 8 months ago
Secularism: The Greatest Danger Facing Islam?
Then?
Can you leave America?
Oddonan 10 months ago
@Oddonan
The earth belongs to Allah, and only the law of Allah has the right to rule over it.
alithelin1234 8 months ago
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@alithelin1234
Your wrong
The earth belongs to Jesus, and only the law of Jesus has the right to rule over it.
Oddonan 8 months ago
Stalin and HItler were not religious men!
fruko1980 1 year ago
Look at sura 9.5 Verdict for pagans.1.Accept Islam or 2. fight until get killed
Look at sura 9.29 Verdict for Jews and Christians 1.Accept Islam 2.Pay Jiziya and submit to sharia 3.fight until get killed.
This was implemented when Islam was in power until1917.
According to politicalislam/com just 270 million innocent people got killed,just to put sharia on infidels.
This means Islam killed the entire humanity at least 270 million times per Imran and The Quran.
Why this deception ?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@Vmax, what nonsense, reckon you Muslims ve dog poo instead of a brain in your head!! btw mohammed ate dog poo for breakfast and was a backloader.
dobipower1 1 year ago
@dobipower1 justify the bomb dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki.....more humans have DIED by you dirty terrorist secularists than islam...justify those 2 i mentioned
Vmax786 1 year ago
@Vmax786 Secularism does not lead to one of the largest genocides in recorded history. The separation of church and state makes no comment on killing innocent civilians.
jesuriah 1 year ago
btw more people have died under communism than islam....BY FAAARRR.....under stalin...6 million christians...under mao...4 million people....under hitler...6 million jews....ALL under the name of communism.....so dont give this BULL**** about islam being a terror religion...it is infact the solution
Vmax786 1 year ago
great....he is a great scholar of islam...only ignorant can oppose him...Masha allah
ok748 1 year ago
What a fascist. We (the muslims) have the truth, all others go to hell.
fliegeroh 1 year ago
greatest danger facing islam because you know your religion is extrememly flawed and oppressive and your followers are getting tired of it.
youngn420 1 year ago
@youngn420
The reality is far from that mate.
ali12147 1 year ago
@ali12147 Ya go go sharia law, I'm so glad I don't live anywhere near that crap. It's only a matter of time before people oppressed by sharia law will rebel against it. I would take torture and death before ever submitting to Islam, sharia law, or any other religion.
youngn420 1 year ago
@youngn420
lol, ok
ali12147 1 year ago
THis is a really Good lecture, i think the Christians will like this as well.
GlobalDuty 1 year ago 4
@GlobalDuty
christians only like crying to the 3 spirits , they hate TAWHID , oneness of ALLAH , infact they hate the word ALLAH
zeb120 10 months ago
The great scientific age of Islam was when the Mutazilites were running the show, Mutazilites school of Islam was what brought the "islamic golden age" of science and free inquiry in Cordoba and baghdad, They held to the conviction that human reason was more reliable then tradition.
The created a environment were people were free to question and challenge long held beliefs about the world around them , Without fear of reprisal. You won't find that in the Islamic world today.
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago 2
The golden age declined because of Sharia you idiot. Wake up! Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is laughing in his grave. Turkey is the only SECULAR nation in the muslim world, 1 trillion dollar economy, 99% literacy, GDP per capita of $17,000, tourism, manufacturing, transportation. THERE IS NOT A DROP OF OIL IN TURKEY and look at how far Turkey has come, all because Mustafa Kemal kept "Sharia-The Quran-Mullahs-Imam's" out of Govt!! Sharia law: stoning for adultery, force veiling, etc will get us nowhere!
calypspoetryguy 2 years ago
You are right but the extreme Islamic AK party is plunging Turkey back in to the dark ages.
griekenlandkiaton 2 years ago
What you're saying is not historically accurate.
According to the Economists, Economies grow because of:
A) Freedom
B) Peace
C) Justice
When the Shari'ah was implemented, these were implemented in the Muslim lands.
Attaturk also implemented these three and there are some things I respect about him. But, you cannot say Muslims the Shari'ah caused economic downfall.
Btw, I'm an Economist by study.
farhan00 2 years ago
@farhan00
The ottoman empire fell into the same trap that the "U.S" is now repeating today, Spending beyond its means, Istanbul burrowed heavily from foreign financial institutions becoming greatly indepted, It becoming more backward then Russia it needed to pay the British and French to "modernize" the ottoman army during the Crimean war since it was still fighting like it was the 1700's , Its scientific output was abysmal, When the "young turks" took over the Ummah became disillusioned.
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
@calypspoetryguy.. Turkey has conquered more when it was an Islamic state than pretty much any nation..when the leaders became corrupt and lost their islam they lost the strength..its quite simple..the point u make is very obviously flawed
hussein5429 1 year ago
If it were funny, it would be funny! Old Testament is the only bits that are right? OMG (TXT speak!) F**k my daughters - it's polite! Islamic science went from world leading in 1000 CE to pathetic nonsence today - Al Jazeera broadcast a 'science' programme saying flies carried a cure for AIDS on their wings (Due to Hadith predictions) If Islam cannot accept reality, how true can it be?
lozman67 2 years ago
Judeo Christian tradition always welcomed new ideas, new ways of thinking and self criticism. This is why the west reached the highest level of civilization. I am a muslim, but my fellow muslims, the CALIPHATE has ended in 1923. Theocracy like "Sharia Law" is like Communism, its a failed state. Sharia countries have povery, illiteracy, and secular ideas help muslims progress, get them out of poverty and help them reach success. I am not against Islam, but we must accept univeral human rights!
calypspoetryguy 2 years ago 3
There's no Sharia state. Look Islam reach the golden age due to their adherence to the Qur'an and it's law, not by becoming secular. Today Muslim countries use secular law like the French and English law and hence our sad state. We suffer the same symptoms of the West; corruption, homosexuality, rampant fornication, crime, etc. That's what secular law promotes.
RealFan 2 years ago
@RealFan Then why did the western world prosper in the Age of Colonialism, while most of the muslim countries still clinged to the Qur'an, and the Muslim world lagged behind. Explain that to me please.
GenJouh 9 months ago
@GenJouh
The goal of the Muslims according to the Quran is not necessarily to prosper in the life of This current physical world; rather their goal is to pass through the life of This world and its trials and tribulations safely and successfully, in order to return to their native home in the Hereafter - which is Paradise/Jannah in the presence of their Lord. Allahu Akbar!
quadrant03 8 months ago
Christianity once dreamed of ruling the entire world, but then they were in the Dark Ages. What saved them was the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. These reformations came in the 15 th century. Islam was a religion founded in the 6th century and now we are in the 21st century. Islam is today where Christianity was before the Enlightenment. Universal Human Rights, Secularism, & Modernity are the foundations of the global modern world in the 21 century. Islam needs a Reformation for world peace
calypspoetryguy 2 years ago 3
@calypspoetryguy Unfortunately from wha ti have seen there seems to be no way to reform islam. If muslims believe that islam is the uniquivical unchanging word of god they cannot just up and start living a secular existence. Im afraid its one way or the other for islam no in between regardless of decent people such as yourself.
FANGKENSTEIN 2 years ago
When the speaker in this video talks about secularism. What he means is, education, scientific progress, freedom of thought, free expression of ideas, debate and public participation in the process of governance.
If indeed Islam is opposed to those things, it is actually anti civilisation. As a social ideology, it is therefore not fit for purpose, in the global technological arena. Some sort of reform within Islam is desperately needed for it's survival. Opposing secularism is not an option.
6Untitled9 2 years ago 3
The honest truth is that all you see is the way the U.S.A does things and as such you atomatically assume it is the best. That is not the Muslim way the west is largely a godless place with this massive religious organization that used to rule everything. Muslims never had that, we never had popes and we never had problems with Islam being the focus of our lives Secularism worked for the U.S. that does not make it the Muslim Answer i think we would rather keep god peace.
mohabri 2 years ago
Get a Job man, something that you could be capable of. Stop Kidding yourself with these non-senses. Long Live Secularism
JAVIDIRAN2010 2 years ago
Actually, the biggest threat to Islam. Is the violent actions of religious extremists, which go unchecked by the, so called, moderate majority.
Secularism, on the contrary, is the protector of religion. Most countries in the developed world allow total freedom of religious practice. With laws to prevent discrimination on religious grounds.
Theocracies, on the other hand, are notoriously oppressive and intolerant. They are technologically backward with poor education standards.
6Untitled9 2 years ago
Actually the biggest threat to Islam is westerners who think their way is the best and only way and wish to impose their way on everyone by force of divide conquer and then set up puppet governments in charge of those nationalities with no loyalty to their own Creator, Religion, People. They then assume that their own history of their own church is that of the rest of the world despite even though freedom of religion is in the Sharia (taxed) but not persecuted.
mohabri 2 years ago
@mohabri [ "freedom of religion is in the Sharia (taxed) but not persecuted." ]
Well, in secular societies, like here in Britain, People are free to practice any religion they want, without paying any tax on it.
We are also free not to adhere to any religion.
Ask yourself why the Islamic golden age is now only a distant memory. Perhaps the 11th &12th centuries had their own extremists, versions of Hamza Yusuf and his ilk. More than enough to put out any light of reason.
6Untitled9 2 years ago
Or maybe its the invasions that happened right after when savages from the north decided they need to stop fighting each other and get land else where. To be honest if you want the answer to why Muslim society is not at the cutting edge newest stages of development like the American Socialist capatilist democracies the answer is just look at yourself. Once the west stops bothering the middle east for oil the Middle east should become great again.
mohabri 2 years ago
@mohabri "Once the west stops bothering the middle east for oil the Middle east should become great again."
The oil trade has generated immense wealth for the region.
Instead of investing that wealth in a modern educational infrastructure, they import all their technology and expertise.
Perhaps the ideology of Islam, cannot tolerate the freedom of thought necessary for scientific progress?
I refer you to the fundamentalists at work in Britain under the banner of: "To hell with freedom".
6Untitled9 2 years ago
Oil trade brings immense wealth into the region? I thought it was just the saudi royal family who got any money off oil trade. A royal family of traitors and figurheads to the west. The oil industry has just done nothing but make sure that Arabs are conquered all the time. It made our economies stagnant as we have no diversity except oil wealth. You just do not know what you are talking about. As for scientific progress with out Islam maybe the west would be still washing their mouth with piss.
mohabri 2 years ago
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@mohabri "As for scientific progress with out Islam maybe the west would be still washing their mouth with piss."
Charming!
We see this kind of sentiment expressed all too often. Though it seems, the clock stood still in the 15th century, for Islamic cultural development.
Realistically, given the legacy of the 'golden age' 5 centuries of subsequent Islamic leadership did not lead to modern science. Why not? Islamic counties currently make a negligible contribution to new knowledge?
6Untitled9 2 years ago
the main enemy is those who so passionately talk bout secularism.
slayyyyn 2 years ago
"I'd like to look at secularism historically"...So the rest of this video must be bullshit. Secularism has done more to promote social, economical and technological growth that theocracy could ever do.
jesuriah 2 years ago 4
If you think like that, then you're exactly the one who is manipulated by the government. There is more killing than ever, only the rich abides by the rules whereas the poor struggles as hard as he can. We see the economical state which the world is in now, indeed. And regarding technological growth, it brought more evil than good. History will repeat if you don't look at it and that's what the Shaykh wants to make clear, but of course why would you care ? You're situation is not poor.
Zhulfiqar 2 years ago
No, I'm the one who votes in the proletariat's best interests. If you look at the division of wealth and labor, you'll see it has narrowed in the past hundred years. Have you ever heard of the Bessemer process, antibiotics, the automobile, or electricity? None of these things came from researching holy books. You sir or madam are the one who needs to look at history, because you are completely mistaken. When religion ruled we called it the dark ages.
jesuriah 2 years ago 5
@jesuriah Did you hear of Algebra, Arabic numerals(0123456789) these are just some of the contributions made during the rule of Islam. Also, the preservation and translation of many of the classical works(ie:Socrates, Aristotle). In addition, it was the dark age for europe but in the Muslim world from iberian peninsula to anatolia they were going through a period of enlightenment. Unfortunately we live in a time were our scholars are replaced by pundits and lions are ruled by lambs.
thelandofpunt 1 year ago
Yeah, but, you know, it doesn't work for the next world!
heloizyjhenifer 2 years ago
Really cause in the Islamic golden Age when the muslims were all so well taken care of by each other that you could not find a man poor enough to qualify for charity in the nation that does not count. Nor does the birth of Algebra, Trigonometry, Hemodynamics and many other modern day fields of study in Math, Science Medicine etc it does not count though these were made in Muslim (theocracies) your view on history is one sided as such lacking when it comes to Muslims learn more about b4 u judge.
mohabri 2 years ago
Islam did not give the world these things. Secular science did. Muslims did not learn mathematics or medicinal skills by studying the Koran, they learned these processes by studying the natural world without using a deity as an answer.
jesuriah 2 years ago 3
@jesuriah
And why does your brain neglect the period prior to the renaissance?
Oo786oO 1 year ago
@Oo786oO The Dark Ages... I already mentioned that. Why did your eyes ignore what I wrote?
jesuriah 1 year ago
@jesuriah
Beautiful. Just the response I want. And i think we are both refering to different messages so i didn't see that message where you mentioned dark ages. It was the dark ages for the british and europeans. Not for the Muslims. If you were to study how the renaissance originated, it was due to the inspiration of very religious poeple. Just research into the "translation movement" to begin with. And look into characters like Averrose (ibn rush) and Aveccina (Ibn sina)
Oo786oO 1 year ago
@jesuriah Modernity, this Social, Technological growth comes from ISLAM. Without islam we would not have the Modern World.
the NHS, Social Security, Hospitals, Univeristies, infact MODERN Structures come from the Muslims. Don't believe me.....do your research on Muslim Spain, the Impact of islam on what was to become the Renaissance. No Islam No Renaissance. period. Without Islam there was NO Modern Science. You really need to do your research
funkyfaz55 1 year ago
@funkyfaz55 So, Louis Pasteur, Alexander Graham Bell, Einstein, Copernicus, Newton, Curie, Tesla, Darwin, Hawking, Roger Bacon, etc. were Muslim? That's news to me!
Besides, as I've already stated, Islam didn't contribute anything to the Renaissance. Muslims may have, but the religion should not receive credit for the work individuals do.
Modern hospitals, universities, and western buildings got their start in the Aegean, from the Greeks.
jesuriah 1 year ago
@jesuriah IF u knew you're history. which clearly you do not, you would know that without Islam THERE WOULD BE NO RENAISSANCE......i can send you the evidence. Documentaries made by British TV. Islam deserves the credit fot this reason....The Arabs were nobodies. When they became Muslims this is when they became The Greatest Ever of Civilizations.
Modern Hospitals owe everything to Muslims, and the Gown worn by Graduates.....i don't think The Greeks wore those types.....
funkyfaz55 1 year ago
@funkyfaz55 Wait, so I give examples of what makes my point correct, and you simply make assertions without attempting to back them up with any sort of evidence.
"...Islam THERE WOULD BE NO RENAISSANCE"
Without moderate minded people, you mean. Islam says nothing of studying the natural world, reformation of politics and art, as far as I know(feel free to correct me)
I'm sorry, but neither Islam nor Muslims are responsible for the Germ Theory.
jesuriah 1 year ago
@jesuriah joke
UtubeUser786786 1 year ago
@UtubeUser786786 Poe?
jesuriah 1 year ago
MashALLAH very good informative video. May ALLAH SWT be pleased with his efforts and dawah. AMEN. May ALLAH SWT guide those who turn to him for guidence. AMEN.
XBLOCKS 2 years ago
Amen.
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rowania 2 years ago
This Shaykh is not responsible for what the Shi'ite regime in Irân is doing since this Shaykh is not a Shi'i and doesn't agree with their interpretation. So get your facts right.
Zhulfiqar 2 years ago
I'll tell you what I tell others who leave comments like yours -- if you don't like it, go watch a video more in keeping with your tastes. And don't make up stuff to shore up your argument -- even critics of Iran will tell you that women there don't get beheaded for revealing their hair.
archarabia 2 years ago
I like how your comment has been downthumbed by religeotards... They see censorship as a valid form of argument.
jesuriah 2 years ago
complain to youtube they designed the system
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago 2
You missed the point.
jesuriah 2 years ago
tieInterceptor - the whole Muslim world knows more about Shariah law than the Shariah courts of Iran and Saudi Arabia. Don't forget that Iran is a Shia-majority country and Saudi Arabia a follower of the strictest sect of Islam. In these countries Shariah law (or their warped interpretation of it) is used as a political tool to control the masses.
MuslimaticMuslimah 2 years ago 10
@MuslimaticMuslimah
yes only the mujahideen are implementing real islamic law. Saudi love to chop hands, and heads, but never implement economic, social system etc, and iran are rafida kuffar.
alithelin1234 8 months ago 2
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conjecture=guesswork=all religions.
Thankyou
naybobdenod 2 years ago
Turkish republic has to watch these videos. thanks for posting :)
gencfblienes 2 years ago
they should because there poisened with a disease called nationalism.
TheAyyubidDynasty 2 years ago
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there's always this stupid misconception that being religious somehow creates a moral standard, which is funny because i find no connection between any abrahamic faith's morals and modern morality. a good example would be the fact that women aren't entirely seen as cattle in the 21st century. another example would be that in modern times, stoning your child to death for leaving the faith may be seen as child abuse. :)
elea1885 2 years ago
Interestingly, women did not receive recognition as legal persons in the western world until around the turn of the 20th century, whereas this was established well over a thousand years ago in Islam. Islam also established woman's right to inheritance, property, and divorce. This was in the 6th century.
bismillah001 2 years ago 2
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and at the same time, greek women had more rights that muslim women, 1000 years before that.
and in Islam, a women is worth half of a man under the law,
1/2 worth in a courtroom, 1/2 inheritance,
a women under islam can be beaten by her husband but she hasn't got the right to beat the husband back
in Islam a woman has to cover her hair, a man does not have to.
keep believing that women are free in the muslim world,
the world laughs at your lies.
tieInterceptor 2 years ago
Reading is fundamental, my friend. If you are interested in learning - and not just regurgitating half-baked polemics - I'd suggest any of the books by Fatima Mernissi, Amina Wadud, or Asma Barlas.
Good luck increasing your knowledge in the future.
bismillah001 2 years ago
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so, Fatima Mernissi and Amina wadud know better than the haddith the curan, and the Sharia courts that say that a woman shall inherit 1/2 of a man, and that a woman is worth 1/2 of a man as a witness in court, and that the Man are one degree above women (Quran 4:34 )
you think that those "Fatima Mernissi, Amina Wadud, or Asma Barlas" know something that the Sharia courts of Iran and Saudi arabia do not know?
lol at you
tieInterceptor 2 years ago
I find it amazing how Athiests paint the relgions with the same brush. Thats funny
mustafagtgt 2 years ago
reason will always be the greatest enemy of the masses.
elea1885 2 years ago
The periodic table of elemnts might be an imperfect manmade model of reality, but holy books are LITERATURE!!
I am willing to respect your right to do whatever you want at home (worship the invisible and improbable, whatch crap Tv, grow beans, I really don´t care) but don´t even think for a minute you are going to impose this crap on those of us who know better than bronze age morals based on superstitious bulshit.
Humankind is bigger than that.
Secular peace is all we got.
mrfoxtalbot 2 years ago 5
and this is why i support secularism :-)
gre54hfd865erg634yts 3 years ago 5
its very interesting to see that all the haters posting on this video are just shouting out insults or trying to make their own points based on rhetoric, but yet have said nothing to counter any of his points ....very interesting 21st century debating...
JGreen416 3 years ago 3
Read the qu'ran.
Belle19700 2 years ago
still, the worst you'll ever hear from the opposition is personal insults. much different from suicide bombings, and religious fascism.
elea1885 2 years ago
amazing lecture, Mashallah
MumbhaiMBBS 3 years ago
Looks like a knob.
guitardude545454 3 years ago 4
In other words;
'Progression, Science & Common sense: The Greatest Dangers Facing Islam'.
dubscarab 3 years ago 4
i suppose the koran doesn't say anything about video-codecs. :D
i have seen beheading-videos with better quality than this crap.
ddpxl 3 years ago
the audio is fine..
you just need to listen to what he is saying or unless you are gay..
memphiz16 3 years ago
oh jeah .. of cause .. i forgot about the most important thing about video, the audio!.. duuh .. how could i forget... and btw .. he talkinging crap and is obviously using votebots... lame.. all in all .. lame.
and if i would be gay i would shuv my thick long penis right up your tight dry hairy ass.
ddpxl 3 years ago
then why do you need a better video quality when he's just standing there..this is not some music video clips or what so ever that require attention to the video quality ...stooopid!
memphiz16 3 years ago
so lets just forget about human expression then, fine.
ddpxl 3 years ago
All superstition is threatened by Science. Fairies, unicorns, goblins, genies, djinns, ghosts, and minotaurs are all threatened as well. Science and secularism isn't really hostile, it just deals with reality and everything outside of reality (ie supernatural or superstitious) is therefore naturally scared because they are not true, real or defendable. Religions will fail, it will lose. Each step of knowledge destroys the shadows of ignorance that all religions rely on.
Chibling 3 years ago
Your statement that science deals with "reality and everything outside of reality (i.e., the supernatural)" is just not true. The scientific method has to do with the natural world only; anything else is philosophy or religion. How could the scientific method adjudicate on a question that it was not designed to deal with, i.e., the supernatural or metaphysical? You're message simply denies the supernatural a priori, when in fact there are philosophical and religious and existential reasons 4 it
bayreuth79 3 years ago
Well I have never heard of a good argument for the supernatural. Essentially I have a naturalistic/ materialistic perspective, a perspective that has gotten us to the moon and the computer chip. What practical knowledge or usefulness is gained from believing in the supernatural? how does it differ from believing in fairies? Every sense input to our brain is physical, our brain is physical and the reality independent of us is physical. Metaphysics is useless, it provides nothing, answers nothing.
Chibling 3 years ago
You are right that science deals with what is measurable and therefore a part of reality. The thing is though that the explanations used before the scientific revolution were based considerably more on supernatural (made up) explanations. The study of natural world has demolished those weak and useless beliefs. I was not saying science 'deals with everything outside of reality' I said it 'deals with reality - - and everything outside of reality is therefore scared'
Chibling 3 years ago
We know that the muslims kept scientific materials from the Greek. But they didn't just serve as a storage room for you . They actually developped it based on Islamic methodology!! And everyone who studies what they developped would have to admit there works and studies started the renaissance. (The scientific method has to do with the natural world only)That's because you're only used to dealing with the outside of the world. One aspect.A Recepy for failure in the long run...
seamr05 3 years ago
seamr05: The muslim scientific height was indeed in the Andalucian Caliphate, however basically no progress whatsoever has been made since then.
Why are there no prominent muslim scientists, or discoveries, or inventions in modern day? Where are the muslim Nobel prizes? Is there even any significant computer development at all in Muslim countries?
The thing about progress is that you can't cling to ancient accomplishments. Secularism is the only path to regain any prominence.
websnarf 3 years ago
because it has no coordinates.
seamr05 3 years ago
I highly recommend " making sense of our past" in eleven parts... it's one of his best talks I think. So deep!!
seamr05 3 years ago
This is factually incorrect. Christianity (contra Hamza Yusuf) was not against science, as he suggests. Actually, it was Christianity that provided the environment for the development of science because it was Christianity that taught that the world was 'cosmos': an orderly universe. Therefore, the world could be investigated scientifically.
bayreuth79 3 years ago
WHY WAS GALELIO IMPRISONED?
Energyium 3 years ago
Galileo was imprisoned (unjustly) for teaching that it is a fact that the earth orbits the sun (rather than vice versa) without sufficent evidence. The Catholic Church did allow thinkers to teach the theory that the earth orbits the sun but as a hypothesis ONLY (Copernicus was teaching this before Galileo, but only as a theory, and he was never arrested for it! In fact, he WAS a Catholic priest). The evidence for the earth orbiting the sun was NOT sufficent at the time G was preaching it as fact
bayreuth79 3 years ago
What is at issue is not the facts about Copernicus and Galileo (Galileo was imprisoned for *PROVIDING* evidence) but rather that a religious institution saw fit to imprison someone for having a contrary view.
Science has to include the airing of contrary views (otherwise there could be no progress in it) which flies in the face of any claimed support for science by religion (even to this day.)
websnarf 3 years ago 3
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING US!!! OMG!!! If it wasn't for the muslims in andalucia, you would have stayed in the dark ages....AGAIN OMG!!!
seamr05 3 years ago
This may be the case, but the muslims acquired there knowledge SECOND HAND, from the great Greek thinkers: Plato, Aristotle, etc. And that is part of our EUROPEAN heritage. Read Imam al-Ghazali, who was teaching that the universe was not governed by natural laws, but by the capricious governace of Allah. This is why the sciences did not flourish in Islam: because if there are no natural laws, only arbitary will, then there can be no investigation of nature!
bayreuth79 3 years ago
1)"Read Imam al-Ghazali, who was teaching that the universe was not governed by natural laws, but by the capricious governace of Allah. This is why the sciences did not flourish in Islam: because if there are no natural laws, only arbitary will, then there can be no investigation of nature!"
Do you have any idea of what that means???!!! -NO you absolutely don't.Because it takes great depth to understand the concept of God in Islam.
seamr05 3 years ago
bayreuth79: "the muslims acquired there knowledge SECOND HAND"
The muslims at the time did not *ONLY* take all their knowledge from the Greeks and Romans (which was given back to the Xians through the Jews). They also incorporated the Hindu concept of '0', they invented both algebra the scientific method itself and the technology of irrigation.
The progress of science and society has come through the great streak of secularism which runs through all peoples *IN SPITE* of religion.
websnarf 3 years ago 3
seamr05: "If it wasn't for the muslims in andalucia, you would have stayed in the dark ages"
Actually, if it wasn't for the jews who the muslims allowed to stay in Andalucia and translate the teachings of the greeks and romans, we wouldn't have escaped the dark ages.
It was a group effort and it wasn't specifically Islam that saved us, but rather tolerance beyond Islam and a revival of greek curiosity from the jews that saved us.
But who will save the Muslims from their current dark age?
websnarf 3 years ago 2
bayreuth79: "This is factually incorrect. Christianity (contra Hamza Yusuf) was not against science, as he suggests"
*All religion* is against science.
The Christians invented the very concept of book burning and did so with great vigor when it came to greek books in science. And they continue to do so to this very day (vis a Sarah Palin.)
As evolution is "inconvenient" to Islam (and creationist xians) so too do they reject science. And they continue to embrace their own dark ages.
websnarf 3 years ago 4
i do not like secularism either
secularism is arrogant and presumptuous but most of all a huge falsehood that indoctrinates people with materialism
mannypatel1 3 years ago
Nah - I just don't have time for the conversation anymore. School and work is killing me. =(
healthyaddict 3 years ago
This is the continuation of my previous comment to pikechris1 :
only this kind of people, the garbage of Europe otherwise, are capable of such a blasphemy not necessarely spitfully but by ignorance, his name is MOHAMED you dickhead!
odisiusX5 3 years ago
some say "his" name was moo-ham-head. have you heard that one?
how come? are you an expert on phonetics in all of the languages? your "kind" claims we dont know arabic so we are exempt from understanding the kuran. if this rule is to be upheld, which is of course utterly bogus, just like all the stories we read there, then you cant criticize spelling variants in different languages which you have no knowledge of.
again, its those basics or rather lack there of. lol
pikechris1 3 years ago
just a little twisted detail, only for you odisious. modern communism was heavily inspired by christianity, they only left out the gods. one of the greatest mistakes they made however was, they have replaced the gods with people. you know uncle lenin and stalin and mao and pol pot... the most religious communist country is north korea. look it up! or rather lock your self up... lol
pikechris1 3 years ago
You say 'secularism' is a danger... it sounds as if you are afraid of it.
(psst - I agree with hedgepethus below)
healthyaddict 3 years ago
Why are you so afraid?
healthyaddict 3 years ago
secularism a threat to islam?? secularism promotes the separation of religion and government. it is not an attack on any religion. secularism only holds that government should not meddle with peoples religion nor should religious groups insert their religious principles into the government or public arena. How is that a threat to any religion?
Muslims will leave islam unless the government forces them?
I dont think this is what Muslims want to imply.
hedgepethus 3 years ago
His speech is clear cut, "convert or burn" "submit or fry". Secularism is what stopped us from killing each other and help bring tolerance and mutual respect and equity to amongst peoples of differing faiths.
Gringoman911 3 years ago
yeah, and imagine, he is considered one of the "moderates". are there really any moderate muslims? or those who we would call moderate, the so called moderates like "our" shaykh hamza here would already consider infidels...
pikechris1 3 years ago
Yes there is moderates, More then likely wont be coming from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, The moderates tend be people that the status quo regard as "heretics".
Men that court power are rarely "moderate" in nature.
Gringoman911 3 years ago
Muslim could say thes akme thing but about Islam, what works for yuou doesnt nessesserily work for us, respect other opinions, peace.
omaregypt88 3 years ago
That's cool, Please remember this is a open forum, Its not like we walked into a mosque shouting that Allah was a mean cosmic puppet master.
The cosmic dictator concept is not exclusive to Muslims, Just pick up a bible,Anything that says obey or fry after you die.
Gringoman911 3 years ago
"The cosmic dictator concept is not exclusive to Muslims, Just pick up a bible,Anything that says obey or fry after you die."
i never claimed it was... but right now the muslims seem to live, follow this philosphy/theology relatively closely. well, if allah wills...
pikechris1 3 years ago
sure brother, sure... but if "you" get a lobotomy its the same as if you were a muslim, christian, hindu, jew, atheist, theist, deist, pantheist, etc.
firing a weapon works on the same philosophical/scientific principle. kicking someones ass ditto. it simply doesnt matter (who you are). havent you noticed yet?! and what does give us the best explanations and predictions? well? its science. get used to it. :)
pikechris1 3 years ago
ermm... people convert to islam you know, not all of us are born muslim, and they arent all the same, they are really different, only an atheist or an antitheist would say all the religions are more or less the same. they just share the idea of being held accountable in the end.
speaking of scientific methodology, it was upgraded by the muslims into modern methodoly after the muslims upgraded the greek scientific model which had no experimentation, or just too little of it
im a biotech btw
omaregypt88 3 years ago
"not all of us are born muslim"
no? the last time i was involved in a discussion, "they" claimed we were (all born muslim).
"atheist or an antitheist would say all the religions are more or less the same."
atheism doesnt "know anything" about religions, its not about comparative religious studies, but you can be an atheist and you can study comparative religion.
most religions share about 12 (wallaces) behavioral complexes.
pikechris1 3 years ago
"upgraded by the muslims"
yet they didnt make it to the industrial revolution. and if those scientists would have passed mahomets criteria is very questionable imo. we know some of them were quite controversial figures and their books were even banned. today we observe similar tendencies, or even something worse. scientists are asked to search the power of jinns, academic freedom almost nonexistent, people being "reneducated" back into the early medievals (proof is genuine islämic footage)
pikechris1 3 years ago
i see there rather mahometan backwardness then a headway.
pikechris1 3 years ago
I knew you were from eastern Europe!from the word "mahometan".Only the ignorant backword comunists, people that realy have been fucked for tens of years by comunism, living like dogs, or should I say dead living people, totaly isolated from the rest of civilization, in a total darkness, and it's darkness properly :)),[when did you start to see light after 8pm in your country ?:))]
odisiusX5 3 years ago
"I knew you were from eastern Europe!from the word "mahometan"."
actually mahometan has nothing to do with eastern europe at all. lack of knowledge on your side.
"Only .. country ?"
communism doesnt necessarily mean backwardness. there were and are plenty of types of communism. however, most of them dont bring what they promise. ive been a dissident all my life.
btw, geographically, im from a country which is to be found in the very middle of europe.
again, lack on of knowledge on your side.
pikechris1 3 years ago
DEMOCRACY OR DEMONCRACY IS BILATERAL WITH SECULARISM... The father of secularism is a man known as Ibn Rushd more famously known as Avveroes, This man is single handedly responsible for the introduction of separation of religion from politics and governmental rule... He a "Muslim" paved the way for the European Renaissance and thus planted the seeds to the secular anti islamic society we find our selves in today...
sporadic1234 3 years ago
Islam is a constricting lifestyle that is not fit for everyone.
Islam is obviously not working, because there is violence in even countries that have 100% muslim populations like Afghanistan.
It doesn't work because it's wrong. Religion does not work as great as secularism does. Religion is constricting, and squashes new ideas that help society progress.
Who would have thought that having an imaginary friend in the sky could be so harmful?
TheJacolyte 3 years ago
Islam isn't constricting, poverty is constricting.
Islam isn't constricting, a dictatorship is constricting.
Islam isn't constricting, there are more than 1000000000000 Muslims world wide.
Infact it is the fastest growing religion in the world, lots of people have different thoughts about this religion than you.
Don't state your opinion about Islam like it is a fact. You don't have that kind of knowledge (no offence!)
Peace
omaregypt88 3 years ago
But then why, why oh why, are Islamic countries impoverished countries?
In the countries where Islam is the majority, they have forced prayer, dictatorships, and countless impoverished.
I think it's safe to say there is a correlation.
TheJacolyte 3 years ago
isläm is a dictatorship. its the submission to "god". "you" are slaves of "god". nothing happens but with "allahs" will. thats what we would call a heavenly malevolent puppet theater performance. fastest growing, perhaps thats disputable, but certainly with fast growing problems.
hdr,undp,org/en/statistics/
consang,net/index,php/Global_prevalence
there are no "1000000000000 Muslims" world wide. you screwed it up by a factor of 166.67 when comparing to the total world population.
pikechris1 3 years ago
In North Korea , You ask them whats the purpose in life? They will respond by saying serving "the great blessed leader Kim Il-sung " is the purpose of life .
Ask a Muslim whats the purpose in life, He will say to serve "Allah and his messenger" followed by Peace be upon him .
A ask a German during the 3rd Reich whats the purpose in life?He will say ," Serve the Fuhrer and die for national socialism followed by sieg heil".
Gringoman911 3 years ago
sure, we can put them all into the same potato sack!
lets worship gravity, the most mysterious force we know about... what comes up, must come down, up, up, up, down, down, down (with qualification). ;-)
pikechris1 3 years ago
Yes, just as penicillin is a challenge to deadly infections, and reason to ignorance, fear and superstition.
Bobob49 3 years ago
are we suppose to give you attention ? cause if that is the point then you are just wasting your time
Ruellian 3 years ago
Secular persons of moderate faith like spiritual Humanists, usually relate well in society with "skeptical secular Humanists", as they openly set aside any perceived religious judgments of Humanity, to a god's will in a hypothetical heaven. And, except (separation of religion and State) secular democratic rule of law, as a positive "natural arbitrator" on Earth, like "secular Humanists" do, without supernaturalism! Affirming abilities and responsibilities to lead ethical lives
danielnz1 3 years ago
of personal fulfillment, that aspire to the greater good of Humanity! Both, also emphasize, educated reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, Human values, compassion and cooperation.
Optimistically, from a latter 21st century on, Humanity will over -whelmingly encompass enlightened secularism. Pessimistically, fanatical religion in politics (if not vigorously confronted) will make the lives of progressive Humanity "Hell".
danielnz1 3 years ago
calypspoetry in spain islam's peace agreements allowed and protected jews and christians for 800 years, who invaded spain and killed arab christians based on there appearance while claiming it was for the church?
Look carefully to what Spain left for the world to witness, the first public hospitals specializing on certain cares., gravity water fountains for clean drinking water, spices, glasses to see the world was round not flat, i can go on.
CapnBooBoo 3 years ago
Yes, let's all live in an Islamic theocracy! That will make the world a better place!
Pleeeease.
Relgion, suppresser of reason, freedom and progress.
countchopula 3 years ago
Yep, secularism is a threat to Islam, because secularism makes life worth living. Islam, on the other hand, is a suicide cult. It makes me feel good knowing my secular lifestyle is threatening your cult.
smisyt 3 years ago
Secularism is the only civilised way of living. To each his own, to me my own. Anything that separates humanity is unGodly. I'm Sure Allah,Buddha,Jesus,Rama,Mahavira,Guru Nanak and Jehovah agrees with me and all like-minded people. Don't listen to this Ego-voice preacher. Spirital men talk soft, sweet and melodious.
smart450 3 years ago
smisyt how is islam a suicide cult when you have more to say about Christianity and the nazis, hells angels, or let me guess, satanism? haha, you have to be brain dead to of missed that some even openly say they worship the devil and attack islam, why? cause they are and muslims are not.
CapnBooBoo 3 years ago
oh i try to forget how all the vices are already killing you sloooowley! CANCER FROM SMOKING, alcohol, many many drugs etc. nice try hypocrite,
CapnBooBoo 3 years ago
I don't smoke drink or do drugs. But I don't want some Muslim Cleric telling me I cant because of some holy book. I don't have a religion, so I don't know what attacking Christianity is gonna do, because I attack that religion also. But Islam is worse, because there are more true believers of Islam than Christianity. Most Christians are liberal wishy washies who have never read the evil parts parts of the bible, and just make God what ever they want him to be... continued
smisyt 3 years ago 3
And because most people are better than the God in the bible, their version of God ends up being better than the God in that book. Their version of God doesn't want sons sacrificed, children to be stoned, women to be abused, and mass killings.Their version of God generally wants peace which helps our society thrive. That should be proof that people get their morals from themselves, not from Gods, because you would have to go to Death Row to find someone with the morals of Allah or Yahweh.
smisyt 3 years ago 3
IM A MUSLIM FROM A SUNNI FAMILY AND I AM NOT A MUSLIM BASHER, HOWEVER WE CANT DENY that there are many problems in the muslim world and we need to be more tolerant in the way we deal with the rest of humanity and focus more on human rights in the muslim world. Let a woman dress modestly as she pleases, no force marraige or honor killing, we MUST address these issues. Everytime I do I get attacked, I believe in Allah and the Prophet(PBUH) but we MUST address problems in muslim nations, WAKE UP!
calypspoetry 3 years ago 7
..recently many foreigns have come and they made a church for them)...read about Qatar, look at Kuwait, Jordan and many other countries in the Middle East. Besides, where did you get this that a muslim would let a Jew die without trying to help.
Elibtisam 3 years ago
Elibtisam no muslims would let a jew die with out help, prove that, in fact no jew should let a muslim die etc etc, all peoples who believe in God are against this, your talking about non believers.
CapnBooBoo 3 years ago