Back in 1973 I studied with PJJ in Philadelphia. I was 13 years old and my Mom would take me to his place, a large apartment in which he lived with his girlfriend or wife, every week for a few years. In his living room, I remember Premier drums scattered around which he was recovering. he would teach me in a side room which had beads hanging down instead of a door. I would sit on a drum throne and use a Remo pad(one of the good ones in those days) and a regular music stand.
At the end of the day, jazz fans and some non-jazz drummers know PJJ. Over 90% of the western world knows who Ringo and The Beatles are/were, 40 years after it ended. PJJ's comment about Ringo was barely masked jealousy because Ringo Starr was the drummer for the single most revered, influential and popular music group in history. PJJ's comment was bitter and classless and if you don't want to admit that...well, that's life.
We'll have to agree to disagree. @szumo: that's absurd. Do you know for a fact that Ringo Starr was influenced by PJJones? There are tons of great drummers in the world and believe it or not, the sun doesn't rise and fall on PJJ, except perhaps for you. It's comparing apples to oranges other than they are both drummers. And the fact is Ringo influenced millions of peoples' decisions to play drums over the last 40 plus years. I can come up w/ at least a dozen drummers more influential than PJJ,
I studied with Philly Joe in the 70s for several years( I was a teenager). He took me thru the Wilcoxin swing solos book. I hear some of this in his solo. Some quotes I remember from him: " if you drop a stick pick another one up and throw it" (like you intended to throw the first one). "White Pearl drums look magestic under the lights" "Ringo was more of a businessman than a drummer"
Philly's a good drummer, but I take issue with his comment about Ringo. It's ignorant, arrogant, condescending and flat out wrong. He has no business commenting about a rock drummer in the first place. Ringo was damn good and often under-appreciated. Great time keeper and an innovative, ground breaking rock drummer.
@ZackPomerleau Everyone is welcome to their opinion. I haven't heard nearly as much Pete Best as I have Ringo, but from what I heard of Pete Best there was nothing all that impressive. Ringo had at least two or three important pieces/ phases to his drumming over the course of his time with The Beatles that in addition to standing on their own as great and innovative drumming, were influential, and much copied. Pete Best is a sad footnote.
@ZackPomerleau By your comments it's clear that you really don't know what you are talking about. It's more than just my opinion; Modern Drummer or one of those top drummer mags rated Ringo among the top rock groove drummers of all time. Pete Best isn't even mentioned. You can be an iconoclast all you want, and again, you are welcome to your opinion, but it isn't based on anything real. If PB got screwed over, that's life, but Ringo was vital part of a sound, & yeah, he looked the part too.
@evets530 Uhhh, yeah, if Ringo is a groove drummer than Philly Joe was a metal drummer. That is a completely false statement. You want groove you call up Alan Evans, Bernard Purdie, or Adam Deitch, NOT Ringo.
@ZackPomerleau Getting caught up in semantics is just flat out boring. If you have a limited definition of "groove," that's your business. Frankly, whether you like Ringo or anyone else doesn't matter whatsoever. I'm not trying to convince you, and you certainly aren't going to dissuade me. The guys you mention are all fine drummers. I never said Ringo was the best drummer or anything. I don't know why you are bothering. I made my original point and if you or anyone else doesn't agree, fine.
@evets530 Sorry that you're not open to healthy debating. Ringo did some very tasteful things ("Ticket to Ride" in particular) but I don't think much more otherwise. Bonham, Mitchell, etc, were much more innovative.
@ZackPomerleau I think Bobby Graham was a hell of a drummer from that era too. There are too many to name. Getting into who was better than another...what's the point? I'll listen to just about anyone and often pick up something from drummers that play on music that doesn't necessarily interest me or from drummers that I know aren't that great. Just about everyone recorded has something, some little fill, so groove or tone that's worth hearing.
@ZackPomerleau Well, I've heard The Shags, and no, nothing memorable comes to mind. A current fav is Kurt Reil of The Grip Weeds, very Keith Moon but cleaner. He also sings many of their songs, which are a near perfect meld of Brit Invasion Psyche power pop. Early Kinks meet The Who, The Beatles and The Byrds.
@ZackPomerleau And again, read what I originally said, Modern Drummer called him that. I would think they know a little more about what they are talking about than you.
@hlondon59 That's absolutely amazingg. Any other tip or stuff he told you, that you would be willing to pass on?? Philly is one of my favorites. I'm already trying to pick up that wilcoxin book. feel free to message me on my page. Thanks!
the quintesential Jazz drummer, his playing is straight to the point, and is full of humor and mischief; just like Philly Joe himself. I love it ... I recomend his albums " Drums around the world" and "Blues for Dracula"
Philly Joe on a Premier kit . . . Mr Swing playing a British percussion icon, love it!
stuarthants 1 month ago
MAN...YA JUST KNEW HIS SOUND! LOVE HIM!
fleetwoodbrawm 2 months ago
great player , great friend ! !
PaulMurphyJazzDrum 1 year ago
so slick
cfoldesh 1 year ago
Premier Drum Kit !
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Back in 1973 I studied with PJJ in Philadelphia. I was 13 years old and my Mom would take me to his place, a large apartment in which he lived with his girlfriend or wife, every week for a few years. In his living room, I remember Premier drums scattered around which he was recovering. he would teach me in a side room which had beads hanging down instead of a door. I would sit on a drum throne and use a Remo pad(one of the good ones in those days) and a regular music stand.
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At the end of the day, jazz fans and some non-jazz drummers know PJJ. Over 90% of the western world knows who Ringo and The Beatles are/were, 40 years after it ended. PJJ's comment about Ringo was barely masked jealousy because Ringo Starr was the drummer for the single most revered, influential and popular music group in history. PJJ's comment was bitter and classless and if you don't want to admit that...well, that's life.
evets530 1 year ago
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evets530 1 year ago
We'll have to agree to disagree. @szumo: that's absurd. Do you know for a fact that Ringo Starr was influenced by PJJones? There are tons of great drummers in the world and believe it or not, the sun doesn't rise and fall on PJJ, except perhaps for you. It's comparing apples to oranges other than they are both drummers. And the fact is Ringo influenced millions of peoples' decisions to play drums over the last 40 plus years. I can come up w/ at least a dozen drummers more influential than PJJ,
evets530 1 year ago
I studied with Philly Joe in the 70s for several years( I was a teenager). He took me thru the Wilcoxin swing solos book. I hear some of this in his solo. Some quotes I remember from him: " if you drop a stick pick another one up and throw it" (like you intended to throw the first one). "White Pearl drums look magestic under the lights" "Ringo was more of a businessman than a drummer"
hlondon59 2 years ago 13
Philly's a good drummer, but I take issue with his comment about Ringo. It's ignorant, arrogant, condescending and flat out wrong. He has no business commenting about a rock drummer in the first place. Ringo was damn good and often under-appreciated. Great time keeper and an innovative, ground breaking rock drummer.
evets530 2 years ago
@evets530 - i think ringo would agree that philly joe could say anything he wanted about ringo - because without philly joe, there would be no ringo.
szumo1982 1 year ago
@evets530
Please be aware that you are condemning Philly Joe Jones for something someone else said he said.
And talk about "condescending". You call Philly Joe Jones a "good drummer".
That's like calling Albert Einstein "a bright guy".
Jazzanswer 1 year ago 8
@Jazzanswer hahahahhaahahahah!!!!
livingdollshoppe 1 year ago
@evets530 drumming is philly joe's biznaz
shaydrums 1 year ago
@evets530 Ringo wasn't THAT good, Pete Best was better.
ZackPomerleau 1 year ago
@ZackPomerleau Everyone is welcome to their opinion. I haven't heard nearly as much Pete Best as I have Ringo, but from what I heard of Pete Best there was nothing all that impressive. Ringo had at least two or three important pieces/ phases to his drumming over the course of his time with The Beatles that in addition to standing on their own as great and innovative drumming, were influential, and much copied. Pete Best is a sad footnote.
evets530 1 year ago
@evets530 Ringo was not innovative and he was in The Beatles because he 'looked the part.' Pete was better, he just got screwed over.
ZackPomerleau 1 year ago
@ZackPomerleau By your comments it's clear that you really don't know what you are talking about. It's more than just my opinion; Modern Drummer or one of those top drummer mags rated Ringo among the top rock groove drummers of all time. Pete Best isn't even mentioned. You can be an iconoclast all you want, and again, you are welcome to your opinion, but it isn't based on anything real. If PB got screwed over, that's life, but Ringo was vital part of a sound, & yeah, he looked the part too.
evets530 1 year ago
@evets530 Uhhh, yeah, if Ringo is a groove drummer than Philly Joe was a metal drummer. That is a completely false statement. You want groove you call up Alan Evans, Bernard Purdie, or Adam Deitch, NOT Ringo.
ZackPomerleau 1 year ago
@ZackPomerleau Getting caught up in semantics is just flat out boring. If you have a limited definition of "groove," that's your business. Frankly, whether you like Ringo or anyone else doesn't matter whatsoever. I'm not trying to convince you, and you certainly aren't going to dissuade me. The guys you mention are all fine drummers. I never said Ringo was the best drummer or anything. I don't know why you are bothering. I made my original point and if you or anyone else doesn't agree, fine.
evets530 1 year ago
@evets530 Sorry that you're not open to healthy debating. Ringo did some very tasteful things ("Ticket to Ride" in particular) but I don't think much more otherwise. Bonham, Mitchell, etc, were much more innovative.
ZackPomerleau 1 year ago
@ZackPomerleau I think Bobby Graham was a hell of a drummer from that era too. There are too many to name. Getting into who was better than another...what's the point? I'll listen to just about anyone and often pick up something from drummers that play on music that doesn't necessarily interest me or from drummers that I know aren't that great. Just about everyone recorded has something, some little fill, so groove or tone that's worth hearing.
evets530 1 year ago
@evets530 Except the girl from The Shags! I don't think she recorded much of interest!!!
ZackPomerleau 1 year ago
@ZackPomerleau Well, I've heard The Shags, and no, nothing memorable comes to mind. A current fav is Kurt Reil of The Grip Weeds, very Keith Moon but cleaner. He also sings many of their songs, which are a near perfect meld of Brit Invasion Psyche power pop. Early Kinks meet The Who, The Beatles and The Byrds.
evets530 1 year ago
@evets530 I gotta check him out! I am totally into Ari Hoenig ight now, that guy is just plain outrageous!
ZackPomerleau 1 year ago
@ZackPomerleau And again, read what I originally said, Modern Drummer called him that. I would think they know a little more about what they are talking about than you.
evets530 1 year ago
@hlondon59 these are great drum lessons!!!
valentynesuite 1 year ago
@hlondon59 That's absolutely amazingg. Any other tip or stuff he told you, that you would be willing to pass on?? Philly is one of my favorites. I'm already trying to pick up that wilcoxin book. feel free to message me on my page. Thanks!
UTubeSucks26 1 year ago
@hlondon59
you are very lucky for have to know him!!!
toninodrumlecce 1 year ago
That's how to do it.
msteeln 2 years ago
the quintesential Jazz drummer, his playing is straight to the point, and is full of humor and mischief; just like Philly Joe himself. I love it ... I recomend his albums " Drums around the world" and "Blues for Dracula"
AS5A 2 years ago
yess.. and he carries through talent with that humour, like bernard purdie
freqazoidiac 2 years ago
Philly Joe was my hero!!!!
Cymbalgroove 2 years ago
this is philly playing pretty "out"
asterothoatthaat 2 years ago
I heard that jones' playing on the album "milestones" is all tony williams needed to learn how to play jazz drums.
releewasgay 2 years ago
Classic dopeness.
Soulnik 2 years ago
yeah, his 50s style was a cool. tony williams 64-67 is probably my favorite period of drumming by any drummer. but philly is phat, yessah.
wordscots 2 years ago
Wow! The man plays so much music on those drums, makes you wonder what most of the drummers are doing.
Philly Joe is one of the few drummers whose solos I can listen to at lenght.( And I find most drum solos boring)
vova47 2 years ago
Note: If any drummer happens to read this comment- of course, I didn´t mean YOU!!!!...
vova47 2 years ago