(05) Why We Fight: "Battle of China (ca. 1944) 5/5

[margaret51dear]

I'm finding all of these videos facinating. My maternal Grandfather was part of the International Safety Zone in Nanking. He was a Methodist Missionary there. We have all of his letters and in 2012 for any Japanese to say that the Rape of Nanking didn't happen is like saying that man didn't go to the Moon!

[kaito8209]

≪日中戦争は中国がおこした≫

(Part1)The Second Sino–Japanese War was a conflict caused by China. Japan was dragged into a war she had not sought. During the war, Japan never made any territorial demands, nor did she make any demands on interests in China. This is made clear from the Funatsu Peace Initiative (Aug. 1937), the Trautmann Peace Initiative (Dec. 1937), etc., wherein no such demands are made.

[kaito8209]

■ (Part2)In Jan. 1938, seeing that no Chinese reply to the Trautmann Peace Initiative was forthcoming though the deadline had come, Japanese prime minister Konoe Fumimaro gave up hopes for peace, declaring, “We will no longer deal with KMT Chiang Kai-shek.” Nonetheless, he made many appeals for peace afterward. In November of that year came the second Konoe declaration, wherein he appealed for international justice,

[kaito8209]

(Part1) Albert C. Wedemeyer said, “Finally, the U.S knows which countries should have been fought as their enemy during the war. After the WW2 finished, the Korea War and Vietnam War happened. As Japan thought the Manchuria in China and area of Korea were very important to defend from communist countries. That’s why Japan had controlled them before they defeated.

[kaito8209]

people are created by the age within which they live. During the Sino-Japanese War, the Chinese society was chaotic. I will betrayed if I trust someone. If I let down my guard, someone will kill me. Kill before you are killed. Don't forget two Chinese government had already fought each other before Japan and 8Nations came to China.

[arescraft]

@kaito8209

ok, but that still doesn't justify Japan's war crime during WW2. UNIT 731 and other crime against humanity by the Imperial Japanese Army is despicable no matter how much you take into account of.

Besides, this is a WW2 propaganda film, you are unlikely to find anything supporting the Japanese cause during WW2.

[kaito8209]

@arescraft

(Part2) Japan tried to have conference with the U.S president before Japan attacked the Hawaii. However, the U.S president ignored Japanese requested. If the U.S had understood the Japanese strategy at that time, the two of communists’ countries, Russia and China, would not have been become such countries which a hypothetical enemy U.S thinks. Moreover, many American would not have died by the wars.”

[kaito8209]

In the U.K., Sir Charles Addis mentioned at Chatham House on November 10, 1938, as follows: Between two countries at war there was always a danger that one or other of the combatants would seek to turn public opinion in his favors by resort to a propaganda in which incidents, inseparable alas - from all hostilities, were magnified and distorted for the express purpose of inflaming prejudice and passion and obscuring the real issues of the conflict.

[jlqt5]

@kaito8209 i see youre a japanese supporter. i cannot even UNDERSTAND why you choose to believe the japanese propaganda that is STILL happening in japan. theyre feeding you wrong information. please, you are smart, realise the truth. there are so much EVIDENCE.

why do you even contend history. it is KNOWN that the japanese died on CHINESE land. that doesn't happen unless the japanese invade china. what, they were tourists?

[kaito8209]

@jlqt5

The Japanese, American, British, and French militaries were in Shanghai.. Not only Japanese. Japanese Military Personnel were attacked by Chinese.That is why we fought back.That is why the war started.

Please watch this.

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Expose the fake of Nanking Massacre Made in China and USA

watch?v=LKQCQqvWZAc

[jlqt5]

@kaito8209 again, you fail to understand my point. look where your sources are from. japan! the japanese would naturally create their own evidence to say the massacre is wrong.

and you do not get it. why were the japanese in manchuria? why were the japanese EVEN IN CHINA? to take pictures? give me a break.

the war started because the japanese were at china and the IJA launched attack after attack because the chinese accepted unfair treaties where japan gets land for nothing in return.

[jlqt5]

@kaito8209 you resort to evidence disproving the nanking massacre. that is all you do. it proves that you know absolutely nothing about the war and you demonstrate strong patriotic views for japan. all your evidence are based from japanese sources, and all of mine are based off chinese, english and even european sources. your view is narrow.

i will repeat this again because you fail to understand this point.

the chinese didn't step on japan. japan stepped on china.

[jlqt5]

@kaito8209 also, you fail to understand the conventions of just war.

you constantly attempt to disprove the nanjing massacre when footage evidence was presented.

you constantly attempt to disprove it through only japanese evidence. yet even some japanese sources confirm the nanjing massacre.

you constantly attempt to justify japan's actions, yet they clearly fail in the "Just War" conventions. last resort? just cause? right intention?

spare me and spare yourself from your lies.

[jlqt5]

@kaito8209 moreover, you claim that a few japanese people were tortured. 1. this COULD have been an act of discipline against bad soldiers. 2. the recordings of these are from japanese sources, which have proven to be unreliable. therefore unreliable argument. 3. if you stubbornly defend this japanese propaganda, they didn't die as tourists or businessmen in chinese land. women have been raped and children have been slaughtered in front of the chinese's face.

[kaito8209]

@jlqt5

(Part3) and joint anti-communism and economic cooperation among Japan, Manchuria, and China.

Then in December came Konoe’s third declaration. This was a call for “neighborly friendship, anti-Communist cooperation, and economic cooperation.” There is nothing in any of these indicating aggressive intentions toward, or designs on ruling, China. The Second Sino–Japanese War was a conflict caused by China.

[Keat547595]

Communist system in Government and rule the country with an iron hand is what China should be using to serve its 1.5bln population. Capitalism & Socialism are only applied on the surface only. This is what leading China today. Just hoped there won't be any Despot or Madman along the way.

[supermartinhk]

Mainland China has been fallen to the devil communists' hands since 1949, where the Chinese government was forced to retreat to Taiwan Island, making it the only democratic region within the Chinese territory. We should all united to liberate China from the aggression of the communists!

[hehaozhi]

@supermartinhk what you call devil communists, now make china a strong, modernized and peaceful nation. With the second large gross domestic product in the world and a strong army to protect itself from any foreign invasions. If you think Chinese people would like to go back before 1949,think again.

[MynameisKayum]

@hehaozhi

65 million starved...

[hehaozhi]

@MynameisKayum why not go to China and see for yourself.

[MynameisKayum]

@hehaozhi

are you denying that 65 million people starved in the early years of Mao's regime?

[hehaozhi]

@MynameisKayum ok, if you are talking about early 60s, there are more than 65 million people starved.

Actually, almost everyone starved at that time, including my parents and their brothers and sisters.

But China has changed completely.

If you can't see this , you are missing one of the greatest social transformation in human history.

[MynameisKayum]

@hehaozhi

china has changed because it is no longer so gung ho about communism

[MynameisKayum]

@hehaozhi

notice how the more china moves towards capitalism the better it becomes?

[Kawanya37]

Don't be deceived by Chinese communists. Communists began Korea War and Vietnum War. China forges facts. You should notice the point soon. The title of the fair book on amazon in USA and UK is "The Alleged Nanking Massacre : Japan's rebuttal to China's forged claims" .

Thank you.

[sentagorian]

tenno heika, banzai!

[cypherff]

Gotta love those German-baught WW1 helmets. Now they look at least half vicious =)

[168chanism]

Japan stands no chance against the nuclear armed China today.

[flyinDPOD]

@mongoose100989

The schools are lying to you. The media is lying to you. If you wish to be properly educated, educate yourself.

[Rippinkitten18]

1:50 mark, i want that hat ^_^

[redpanda416]

holding the major cities may be the key to win the war in Europe, because most of their population are in the cities, but in china, its not enough, between cities there are great land and population, as you can see on map, the China army control the area between cities and ambush japs all the time.

[redpanda416]

Towards the end of the war, china's manpower became the advantage, after the retreat to the west, they quickly rebuilt everything, factories, schools,hospitals, railroad and highway and the most important: military force and air force. they had enough men to do it. But Japan didn't. after the first year of the war, it became a long stand in china, the frontier did not move untill the end.

because Japanese already sent 70% of the troops into china but could only hold the major cities in eastern.

[MiClLC]

Japan will rise again! Mwah ha ha ha!!! And once the Japanese occupy America, there will be actually decent anime on every TV station W00t! ^_^

[jimbloke]

did you just come out from a cave in okinawa and live there for the last 50+ years?

[MiClLC]

Whats your problem, you done like anime or something?

[HotZetiGer]

I think next time Japanese need to bring Robots! BTW 2:21 Why these Chinese wear Nazi helmets?

[HingerlAlois]

There was a cooperation between China and Germany until the outbreak of the war between China and Japan.

Thus China received German military equipment (uniforms, weapons, etc.) and also 8 Chinese divisions with a total of 80,000 soldiers had been trained until 1937.

China also produced copies of German military equipment and thus a significant part of the Chinese military was basically equipped with the same stuff as the Wehrmacht.

[rocksoliddude1]

yeah and kill another 16 million chinese civilians and torture all war captives

[ajferet]

Actually, it was the unelected represenatives of the Commitern... fuck face

[thegarfieldcat]

History shows that the fighters of the entire ""Chinese People's Liberation Army"" absolutely must not relax to fight; Chinese-people do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.Chinese-people desire peace. However, if imperialism insists on fighthing a war, Chinese-people will have no alternative but to take the resolution to fight .

[closertotruth]

However...CCP's anti-imperialism position didnot include against then-newly-rennovated Imperialist --Russian Soviet but, instead, was willing to act as its 5th column and carried out Stalin's direct orders. Today, already liberated Chinese people have to re-embrace and endure today's Capitalistic Imperialist's horrific economic invasions and, seeing China's officials, with investment funds, flocking to retiring into these Imperialist countries.

[hindrafindian]

India, China, US and European should form a strong alliance to fight against terrorism.

[SX2190]

India is creating another boarder issue with China, when the India did it before and fail. US thinks China is threat to the world. France is trying to sell weapons to China trying to disban the weapon ban on China. While USA and Germany is threaten France from doing so. So how can China form an alliance from all these issue going on. Even if the alliance did form I'm sure it will break up in a matter of time.

[Sikapossu75]

Question regarding the uniforms of the chinese army in this video; where did the chinese army get those helmets, where were they produced/manufactured? They look alot like the helmets finnish and german armies.

[roninstevie]

From Germany - Before WW2

[powereater]

the germans, china and germany used to be really good trading partners before germany decided to allience. when japan was fighting in china they complained to the germans because the chinese were fireing MG34's and KAR98k. one chinese armour division even had 20 panzer 3's

[akinkhoo]

where is the ending?

[anti3raqsoceer]

TRUTH .... TRUTH >>>>>>

[bigjstokes]

I am encouraged at the prospect of Chinese-US partnership in the 21st century. The cold war is over, capitalism has prevailed, and the Chinese are finding their way to interlope with the international community, in fact in a much wiser way than the Soviets. My hope is with their continued wisdom and a fruitful alliance for world solidarity!

[VVMatrixVV]

the world would be great if China and the US have a good relationship.

[SX2190]

How can China and US have a good relationship, if US keep entering Chinese issues and threaten China with is aircraft carriers, F-22 and submarines. As well as continue to threaten other Western nation with its arm ban on China

[ajferet]

If China might consider hanging some members of the CCCP from lamp-posts we could consider treating the (unelected) Government of the Cultural Revolution equal to the (elected) governments of Japan, S. Korea or India

[SX2190]

WTH Are u talking about.

[ebokers100]

China and the US should forge a strong relationship for the spirit of humanity

[mehdan2]

us support china on issue of japan taiwan

[SX2190]

US didnt not support China on Taiwan issue. US want Taiwan to control over China.

[ajferet]

It is the position of the United States that the Republic of Taiwan has a right to survival. It is unfortunate that no such policy exists in regards to Tibet.

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If the United States did not believe in a free Taiwain, it would be Japan or South Korea next on the PROC hit list.

[SX2190]

It is not the Position of the United States that the Taiwan has a right to survival.

The Taiwan issue is a civil matter, not the US or the UN is a civil war, that isnt finished. So GET LOST US

[ajferet]

If it is a Civil Matter... why is the position of the PROC "Join or Die?"

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The government of Taiwain is elected by the people of Taiwan... who elected Hu Jintao (nobody).

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I vote for U.S. politicians who support human rights. Here and aboard. The sooner the leaders of the PROC (and of all Communist Dictatorships) hang upside down from lampposts, the happier I'll be.

[istiiizzz]

@ebokers100 lol... you mean for that the humanity disapear from the planet !

[leoachilles]

what happened with the US-China relationship? we are still the same people, just a different system, why hate us now?

[Ultima770]

because of the cold war.

[lewinzhang]

Thanks for USA

[AquaticIdealist]

And thank those who stood before the might of Japan to ensure China's continued sovereignty!