Adam is 100% correct. Communism/Socialism NEVER works. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. Capitalism as with any human endeavor is of course imperfect, and yet it implementation in the U.S. along with liberty and freedom resulted in the greatest accumulation of wealth in human history pulling exponentially more people out of poverty than any system ever devised. PLEASE just watch youtube video: "Milton Friedman-Greed". It's 2:24 of pure wisdom. Watch it.
@3434arc1 You think what we have in the US is capitalism? It's more like a mix of capitalism for the middle class, socialism for the rich and the poor. The rich have been ripping off the US treasury for a long time in many different ways. I used to hate the lazy idiots that get food stamps and quit trying. But as I've worked tirelessly to better myself I've realized how the system uses motivated people like mules hooked to the plow. The harder you try the more they pile on your back.
@3434arc1 Good post. Once you watch one video by Milton Friedman, you won't be able to stop. It's absolutely brilliant. He transformed the way that I look at life and politics.
@3434arc1 Socialism never works? Yeah thats spot on for PURE socialism...But social democracies left wing type of governments sure do work for some countries...Western Europe, Scanavavia, New Zealand, Canada and to an extent Australia follow these social democracy type of governments and many of them have stronger economies than the US....not to mention much lower unemployment rates.
@traveler10001000 Did you notice something that virtually all of the countries that you listed have in common? Most have heavily relied on the military might (as a result of massive military expenditures) & protective umbrella of the U.S., thus not having to devote nearly the resources for national defense that otherwise would have been required for their security. The U.S.economy still has enormous potential..cut taxes-cut spending-cut redundant regulation..and it will soar.
@3434arc1 "cut taxes-cut spending-cut redundant regulation..and it will soar."
Agreed...and we also have to factor in that countries like Norway, Sweden etc have small populations of largely homogeneous people...Obviously you can't compare it to a country like the US with a large population consisting of heterogeneous peoples
But it's also wrong to say that left wing social democracies don't work...They clearly do work well in some countries under the right circumstances..
@3434arc1 As for the protective umbrella of the US..Well that is true for some of the countries I listed and not true at all for others...the countries that I listed largely don't go around trying to "spread freedom" and all the other neocon garbage that we do..so they tend to have less enemies and less people trying to kill them..Hence the low amount of military spending..Norway doesn't spend much on the military because they don't involve themselves in other countries business etc.
@3434arc1 "thus not having to devote nearly the resources for national defense that otherwise would have been required for their security. "
No....it would not be required because they don't practice the same absurd arrogant enemy creating foreign policy that the US does..so their is barely any need for "security spending" because no one wants to attack Finland or Canada....The countries in close proximity to us rely on us for National security but its not like Canada really needs it.
zzzzzz....boring.. and not bc i disagree with the premise totally. but bc it was boring and un funny. Not AC's best work. and the dude rambling on with him sounded like joe pesci from Lethal Weapon...even adam was bored with him.
@WideWorldOfWisdom Why is he even comparing France to the US? France is a country of 65 million people....the US is a country of 306 million people...Obviously are overall GDP will be much higher just on the count of our much larger overall population..305 vs 65
Other than that...it was an interesting discussion
Calcanis said the U.S. owns a disproportionate amount of the global GDP. This is true. The US makes up roughly 5% of world population...yet accounts for more than 20% of world GDP.
@WideWorldOfWisdom Very true...Just saying that you have to take population into consideration..France has a fairly strong economy...not as strong as Germany but strong like the Scandinavian region...They do have a higher unemployment rate through ( I believe its like 9.8 percent) where as Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden, The Netherlands, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc have low unemployment rates.
Can you not read? He just said 20% of the GDP with 5% of the POPULATION. What part of that do u not understand? The pop IS taken into account. That's what makes it so impressive in the first place. Your whole complaint is that France has less people. The whole point is the US has less people than the rest of the world (a shitload less actually), & makes up a global share of GDP that is 4 TIMES its size in terms of relative POPULATION.
@mikerotcherson I know exactly what he said dumbass....You're the one who has trouble keeping up and comprehending ...Where did I say anything about the Us clearly not having the highest gdp per population? It is obvious that we do..I just pointed out that it is stupid to compare France a country of 65 million with a country of 305million
Yes we have the highest gdp per population...That is obvious..Would france have a lower Gdp than us if they had the same number of people? Yes
@mikerotcherson Stop trying to cause a pointless argument over something that I clearly comprehended..We have the highest gdp relative to population.That is obvious.Still it's pointless to compare it to a small country with 65 million people
It really isn't that impressive anyway..We are the current superpower..Superpowers tend to dominate economically..Not any different from any other super power in history..And we're losing our lead anyway..China will be on top someday
It's funny how people think we are free under democracy and capitalism. These are constructs that just creat the illusion of freedom. Since when has having the most votes meant something?
Corporations control what you buy and what you eat, who you get to vote for, and what laws will be passed. Do you think that's freedom?
@mikerotcherson Doesn't change the facts. The fact that I have a corporate logo should make my argument more compelling if anything. But it's easy to spout off an easy comeback that contains no thought.
@mikerotcherson Yeah keep replying with things that have nothing to do with what I was talking about. That'll at least keep you from having to debate directly regarding a topic you have no clue about.
First u said "Corporations control what you buy and what you eat, who you get to vote for, and what laws will be passed."
Then I pointed out that u voluntarily put a corporate logo in as ur avatar. Your response was that fact should make your "argument" more compelling.
The only way that would be the case is if Full Tilt Poker controlled what u put in your youtube avatar (in going along with your "corporations control everything" motif). I point that out & u want to cry "irrelevant".
We arnt for democracy though. We are for Free Market, Individuality and Liberty. Our founders were just as skeptical about democracy as they were about strong Central governments. We have more power with companies because we are the consumers that can sway CEO's and corporations. But a government big enough to give you anything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
@controversyking True Communism has killed millions and is a shitty form of gov't but then again what about the millions killed in Africa and Asia under imperialist gov'ts or the tens of millions of natives killed in North America, sometimes in blatantly unconstitutional acts like the trail of tears? I'm not saying communism is good but that nations like the US and Europe have a pretty sordid past about as bad as the USSR or simply put people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Capitalism has killed millions of people. When are you tards going to get a fucking clue that it will never work? Spare us this shit about how it needs to be done right.
Again, I still would love to hear any of the metrics ur using to measure all your subjective claims of "better". And I love how u choose a 6 year old bridge & compare it to a bridge completed in the 1930s to illustrate European "superiority".
And musicians? Do u really want to go there? More than half of the top 30 selling artists & top 50 selling albums come from a single country. The US. And film directors? That's what you want to point to? EU has better film directors? Again...
1) I do not "claim" anyone. I was merely pointing out the reality that much of the world's best and brightest come to America not only to get educated, but to do their life's work, and to create and innovate. There is a reason for that. And there's a reason the world isn't falling over themselves to move to Greece.
2) You have not pointed out any instances in which the EU "excels". All you have done is falsely claim UK has more Nobel Prizes, and that the Eurozone has higher GDP.
Sigh. I suppose the university system there must be like the lower education system here then. I'll define it for you: "attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument." Where in the world did I attack your character and say that invalidated any sort of actual point?
And excuse me..2006 data says 8.1 Trillion Euros, 2009 data shows 8.9 trillion euros. My bad, "mate". (as if that makes a difference) source: bit [dot] ly/lyoSYf
And no, I won't drive a Euro car, Japanese engineering is preferred...and "our food?" I have no idea what is meant by that. I don't go to Europe for dinner. And "our technology"? You're going to try to claim ownership of the Internet because a British emigrant (that means he LEFT britain) helped create the worldwideweb (which isn't the Internet)?
Nice straw man. Who ever said America was perfect? And you did not give me any actual source. You just keep telling me to read the WSJ and check with Goldman Sachs. I gave you the actual link to my source that shows how not even the 17 states of the Eurozone have a GDP equivalent to the US...I'll show it again:
Ad hominem? This just gets better and better. Do you even know the definition of that phrase?
While you're off finding more American sources of info, and watching American movies, and having American topics take up at least a third of your TV news, and using American products (especially pharmaceuticals), and listening to American music, and surfing American websites, you might want to check out a dictionary and look that phrase up.
One has to love how u keep citing an American news source as the go-to place for good info. And yes, while a Fed audit has yet to take place, we do know a hell of a lot of QE 1 money went to FOREIGN banks...like those in Europe. (How this helps your case, I have no idea).
And I would be happy to hear the metric u are using to measure "standard of living" & "best engineers".
And as for confusing liberalism with communism...they're both collectivism...so there ISN'T much difference
Yes u have brought the discussion down...even further than the shallow level at which u began it. Through your multiple factual fallacies (& subsequent false accusations), non sequiturs, and back and forth flip flopping. You want to claim Europe should be counted as one, then not Europe, just the EU...then not the EU, just the Eurozone...now ur coming back with EU (prob because I showed u how the Eurozone (still with more people) is still economically smaller than the US.) And...
then u want to claim the EU should be counted as 1 because other major bodies do that..but of course u don't want to us GDP as a measure of economic size (even though every major body does THAT) because it actually hurts ur case. So basically we should do what BS organizations like the WTO do when it makes Europe look good, but when it doesn't, it's "that's not a good measure".
Then finally u have resorted to useless simpleton BS such as Europe is #1 because "we have world's top restaurant"
1) YOU brought up the Nobel & got your numbers wrong. Twice. And all the while told me I was wrong.
2) YOU are the one who overlooked comments and told ME I should make sure to read them all.
3) YOU said Europe should be counted as one entity, then it shouldn't, then it should.
And what does Carolla's taste in cars have to do with the economic and moral superiority of free market capitalism? THAT was the point of the segment. And...
Your entire "EU is #1" tirade is basically a pathetic reaching of a childish nationalistic need to be able to say you're better than someone. Seriously. "The world's top restaurant"? Are you f-ing serious? You have officially dragged this discussion to a new low of nonsense.
I did not change numbers. Both times I said the same thing: US is home to at least 326 laureates. U.K.: 116. First you said: "US has 500% the population of the UK but only 50% the Nobel prizes" which is completely false. Then you said "US has 270 Nobel prizes and the UK holds 117" and cited wikipedia. For one, that isn't even what WP says. It says MY numbers. And two, even those wrong numbers you give contradict your first statement. So it is U who changes numbers & r still wrong.
And second, the whole Nobel issue is a stupid comparison to begin with, because I was talking economic data and you bring up a subjective award, bestowed by a European board (and the US STILL has more laureates than any other country). But using a subjective award to try and measure intelligence is just asinine to begin with.
Population is important because: more people = more productive capacity. Ceteris paribus, a country with more people is going to be more productive.
So YOU missed comments, and then tell ME to make sure I read all of them? Give me a break.
You didn't point me to any article, you just keep saying I should "check with Goldstein on Marketwatch and Goldman Sachs". I gave you the exact link to were I got my stats "mate". If you would read the comments you'd see it.
And again one has to love how you continue to dodge the Nobel issue that YOU brought up and were wrong about even when you changed your story and introduced new numbers
So let's retrace where we've gone so far...first, Carolla was wrong to compare the U.S. to other individual countries, because, well, I don't know, the US is just too dominant, so Europe should be considered as one. Then we went to "it is not a good idea to think of Europe as one". Then u went into this whole Nobel sidebar with totally wrong info, claiming that UK has more prizes than US, & then when u come back with your own numbers & say the opposite (& don't admit u were wrong)..
and instead u try to change the subject with "o well uh..US has slowed significantly in recieving nobel prizes since 1980"...as if that had even the slightest relevance to anything being discussed. Then u switch back to EU & claim it's the EuroZONE that should be considered as one unit. I point out that even that bloc has more people and a lower GDP than US..to which u claim GDP isn't a good measure.
And now finally u've resorted to saying they're basically neck & neck. U sure can dance.
I've seen all the comments. You should follow your own advice. I'll repaste my previous Nobel response in a post following this one.
As for citing sources, that's a little difficult to do with a 500 character limit. My Eurozone = 106% of the population of US comes from adding pops of the 17 EU states, and the U.S. Census. My 57% of the GDP stat was underestimated, due to a currency conversion...the actual percentage is 75%. That comes from ec.europa.eu
And yes, WP does have a list. You should look at it. US has 326 laureates and UK has 116. I think the difference is ur counting prizes, whereas my data is actual laureates...which is actually the more accurate measure given the context, as the metric u introduced was population.
And besides, the whole point was u said "US has 500% the population of the UK but only 50% the Nobel prizes." Even your own numbers contradict your statement. One just has to love how u try to change the subject.
Oh well would you look at that. Now we're only talking about the Eurozone? Yeah that WOULD make more sense as a viable comparison to the U.S. now wouldn't it. And how does it stack up? Oh...whattya know...Eurozone has 106% of the population of US, and only 57% of the GDP.
This just isn't working out for you very well is it. Again I love how you go completely silent on the Nobel Prize nonsense that YOU brought up.
U have given no reason at all as to why an entire continent with completely different governments, cultures and peoples should be considered as one bloc just in the case of economics (other than simply for the purpose of being able to say it's better than the U.S. of course...which it seems like is your entire aim here.)....
And yes, WP does have a list. You should look at it. US has 326 laureates and UK has 116. I think the difference is ur counting prizes, whereas my data is actual laureates...which is actually the more accurate measure given the context, as the metric u introduced was population.
And besides, the whole point was u said "US has 500% the population of the UK but only 50% the Nobel prizes." Even your own numbers contradict your statement. One just has to love how u try to change the subject.
1) YOU were the one who started this whole thing by all but outright stating that Europe should be considered as 1 entity. That was ur entire point. That was the only way u could try to claim Carolla was wrong. You said the U.S. shouldn't be compared to other countries, but to an entire continent.
2) I explain the Nobel Prize example by the fact that it's completely false. I have no idea where your information comes from, but the U.S. is home to at least 326 laureates. U.K.: 116.
Oh I see. So you got shoved behind economically because your united "single bloc" had a big "civil war" and all the "united" peoples just started fighting with each other. Got it.
And I laid down some reality for you too. Even conceding this nonsense idea that somehow the colonies were just as advanced as Europe proper, as if you could ship over some people and tools and have a colony be a carbon copy of development...2.35 times the population, 23% more GDP. Not exactly impressive
"Always linked" is a nice way to put it...given these supposed "united" countries were constantly warring with each other.
But even if we grant u this nonsense about Europe being one big bloc throughout history, the continent today has more than twice the population, and an extra 1000 years of development under its belt...so I would kind of hope it's "richer" than the U.S...
Oh but what's this? Despite having 235% the population, and 425% the time, Europe has only 23% more GDP?
No Adam you don't need to go and kill Castro on his own soil just because he has PROVED that unlike Israel, his nation can wipe its ow ass without your filthy American intervention. Also, you talk about Israel being a leading nation of innovation? LOL, well let's all pretend that you don't know your govt steals multi BILLIONS each and every year to give to Israel (a developed sovergn nation). Take away those Billions and Israel = FUCKED
All of the stuff they teach you in economics in college is complete and total bullshit. Even the most accomplished Nobel prize winning economists have no idea how economic reality works. It's all theories based on huge aggregate models and complex mathematics, not human response, which is the BIGGEST part of economics.
May be a crude way of putting it, but essentially yes. BUT, it doesn't have to be. There are many in this country who prefer not to take any chances, whether it be from getting killed on the road in their cars, or getting rejected after applying themselves to recieve a decent paying job, etc. So they pretty much stay home all day watching tv by day, and spend their government dole on drinking by night. No risks, no failures......or success.
@youtoobiniac It's easy to play the keep up with the Jones's game instead of enjoying what you have. I guess it gives people motivation for success, but many are thinking about the better car, better house, and better job.
SImple, most countries are still evolving economically and nearly all adopt socialism/communism. However the economies that have collapsed were and are the ones where government tried beating the market. USSR is no longer. why? because they had set prices. 99.9% people never look at history for economics.
Adam misses brutally when he tries to comment on economics and powerstructures, hes much better at trivial stuff.
And as a pokerplayer the mentioned analogy is just ridiculous, but I guess they don't multi-table much or have made any money off poker. Im playing poker right now, thats why I can work and write this silly comment at the same time.
And ofcourse, in a capitalistic world you would need an economic incentive to do anything, but thats granted its a capitalistic world, big big miss.
the drug companies I'm sure are carrying the torch with respect to a cure for aids...because they created it...with plenty of subsidy and help from the government.
In France they have a larger middle class shorter work week , twice the vacation 100% free quality health care 15 different viable political parties and the government raising the retirement age from 60 to 62 causes riots. They were doing better than us before the crash and they are recovering faster........ A more balanced system is better for all.
@BadOompaloompa79 Good..now tell everyone why, if such a small thing as raising the retirement age 2 years would cause RIOTS (really civil society wouldn't you say?) why would they do it?
Is it possible that because of everything you listed before that--working shorter weeks, with more vacation time while at the same time giving more stuff to more people who don't even work at all--they have an economy that is so physically unproductive that they physically can't PAY for all that retirement?
Ideologically based economic policy has failed, if you think "pure" capitalism or "pure" communism is the answer at this point your a retard. Non ideologically based , case by case pragmatism is what works, look at the nominally socialist democracies in Europe, they are doing much much better than us and have been for 20 years.
lol, like riots in france is something new, why do you think they paved the streets of paris? if you think of the recent riots and base your entire "france is worse than the us" argument on that, then you have absolutely no clue. yes there is alot wrong with france, specially the huge amounts of fascists that are there, heard of jean-marie le pen? doubt you have. i win :)
@RipTheJackR LOL. "like riots in france is something new". You're entire case is that France is doing better than the U.S. and you come back with that. You go ahead and keep pattin yourself on the back and don't forget to say hi to the Front Nationals when you move to that paradise land o' plenty. :-D
I wasnt making a case that France is better based on their riot-factors. All I said that it wasn't something new (for various of reasons). And my initial response was actually attacking you for putting so much emphasis on the riots. There is good and bad concerning France, and my point is simply that the fact they have "riots" (most of it are just demonstrations) doesn't automatically make them worse than anyone else. It illustrates disconnect between politicians and the people.
@RipTheJackR I understand what you were trying to say. And the question is WHY are riots so "common" and what is the reason for the most recent series? It is because France IS NOT doing so well economically. They have an enormous welfare state that is choking the country and which they can't pay for..and the people expect to get something for nothing.
And when "demonstrations" involve large numbers of people engaging in violence, vandalism, and arson, normal people just use the term "riot."
There are way more demonstrations than riots in general. When non-french ethnic groups rampage because of living conditions. turn cars over and setting on them on fire - yes thats a riot.
When the right wing try to marginalize laws that prevent employers from abusing workers, thats when you have more civilized demons.
Automsg makes me return to this conv,and i guess i should stop, either way;i sincerely hope you'll continue to thrive in this life,take care mate :)
@peter17dude First of all, how you define "capitalistic democraties [sic]" makes a big difference. Perhaps you could tell what that term means to you. Second, BadOompaloompa79 and RipTheJackR attempted to claim that the fact that the French work less, go on vacation more, have a socialist system of health care and riots are commonplace (apparently) is somehow a good thing and the result of a superior economic system. My point is that is not at all true.
@mikerotcherson well the riots in France have nothing to do with their socialistic welfare benefits. they rioters are frustrated immigrants who aren't properly integrated into the society,. if anything France is an example of failed integration.
also, France is very far from being socialistic, despite of their public welfare system. they have a marked controlled economy and is not socialistic regardless of how conservatively you define it.
@peter17dude French people are rioting because the government wants to raise the retirement age by 2 years, because they have too many people on the dole and don't have the money to pay for it all...
And you're going to try to say the riots have nothing to do with socialistic welfare benefits? That's precisely what they're about. And a few days ago France was a "capitalistic democracy"...now it's a "marked controlled economy"...are you ever going to define these ambiguous terms you use?
im not being purposly vague here. both capitalistic democracy and marked controlled economy are two terms most people who have been through the school system would have no problem understanding. if you cant use google. having a plan/goverment controlled economy is a vital part of the communistic society modell. hence France as a marked economy is the very oposite.
there is no use discussing this with you as there is nothing to discuss. France is a capitalistic Democracy!
@mikerotcherson and the ironi mike is the following; france and greece, and Usa for that mather crashed because of greed, a byproduct of capitalism. all these countries are capitalistic, so your just plain wrong here.
i want to make it clear that im not a comunist but if you manage to see your own country and its governing system fra a little bit more distant perspective, im sure you will agree that a system where profit, is above human worth is a discrasefull one.
@peter17dude "ironi"? Do you just have a broken keyboard? Were you meaning to say "markeT economy"?
And just because someone has been through a shitty school system doesn't mean they know what things really mean. In fact it usually means they know a lot that isn't so. Like you displayed here...with your suggestion that greed is somehow dependent on the economic system...that if we just had the right system, greed would somehow disappear. Which is probably the most asinine idea in history.
@mikerotcherson greed is not dependt on the economic system, the economic system is depending on greed. creating needs that arent there, and making people consume more and more. your ego is obviously to big to even move an inch from your preconcieved thoughts, but you obviously dont know shit about france or Greece, and i cannot argue with someone who does not have the slightest idea of why many EU contries struggle economicly these days. these contries are not socialistic!
@peter17dude You said those countries "crashed because of greed, a by product of capitalism"...this implies that greed is created by capitalism...that if capitalism didn't exist, greed wouldn't exist.
Could you please name a society that doesn't run on greed?
They forgot about poland, by the way, after the fall of communism they have been steadily rising and has been the only country to actually flourish during these trying times. Capitalism fucking rules, :dealwithit:
Internet domination? Dumping money and making googles stock go up so they can make more investments. Freedom is legal freedom = less goverment laws and taxes not more.
Handyman hit it on the head. It's the FED!!!!! It's the Look into what the FED actually is. The majority of Americans are so clueless about it. The FED is as Federal as Federal Express, and guess what? They own us. End of discussion.
... The pie takes decades to grow and show any real improvement. Natural resources and jobs aren't just created instantly to accommodate anyone who wants to "get rich". People who think it does are those who end up creating bubbles, which later crash. I took 2 economics classes and was the top student, so I should know.
In high school and in college, and that high school was in the top 1000 in the U.S., and the college I go to (even though its community college) has the highest percentage of successful transfers to the top Universities in California. And I am serious about all the things I was saying. People like you think that you can get rich quick and no harm is done. Well look at this depression we're in, look at what happened in 2001, in 1987, and in 1929. By removing regulation, you create bubbles.
You took one economics class in high school and another in fricking community college and (surprise surprise) think you know everything.
There was no deregulation in the Bush years. And the Great Depression was caused by the Federal Reserve. Milton Friedman won a Nobel Prize in Economics in part for basically proving that with his monetary history research.
You're out of your league. You have no idea what you're talking about.
No de-regulation, what the fuck are you talking about? Bush tried to privatize social security, which is the way many people in the U.S. get pension. He pushed for that act that made it easier for people to burrow money for mortgages. That's the main reason the economy is so shitty. It started in the 2000s, not in in the 90s.
Part of what I learned in those classes is that without regulation oligopolies and monopolies form, reducing competition. Also that GDP in developed countries can't hope to rise faster than 5% a year, and in the recent decade even THAT hasn't been happening. So no matter how fast everyone wants to get rich, it's not going to happen. The pie doesn't grow fast enough, so there's only room for a few people on top. Going from poor to rich fast is a dream they feed down your throat to keep the system
... to those who cannot "afford" them. Why can't they afford them? Because some rich faggot is hoarding millions or billions for his own pleasure. There are children who die of medical problems in the U.S. because their parents don't have the money for medical care. That shit doesn't happen in the other industrialized, civilized, western countries. I'm not just talking about paying for a kid's leukemia bill, I'm talking about kids who die from the flu, like they did 100 years ago.
I am. Those standard problems we all have, I have them too, but I have some shit to deal with that's a lot worse than what the average person has to deal with. The reason why capitalism is evil is because the whole premise of capitalism is to get rich off someone else's expense. You can't get rich without taking resources away from someone else. That means that to succeed in capitalism you have to actively find "legal" ways to steal shit from others. In capitalism, basic necessities are denied..
This idea that life is a zero-sum game is one of the most commonly held fallacies.
You think that if one person has more, then that means that everyone else must have less...That there's only so much pie to go around.
Bill Gates didn't get rich by stealing more pieces of one big pie. He created better, faster, cheaper, more efficient ways of doing things that made all our lives better.
He made the pie bigger. Really, most rich people get rich by being entrepreneurs and creating MORE pies.
No, he didn't, he stole ideas from others and sold them as his own, he created monopoly to dominate the market, and his shit is so unreliable that no government agencies anywhere use windows for any critical systems. His windows operating system didn't bring about an easier way to grow food, perform surgery, or do research. Therefore, the money he recieved from people could have gone for any one of those other causes instead. He got rich by taking a huge chunk out of the pie...
I'm alive today because of socialized medicine in Israel. Had I lived in the U.S. as an infant and child, I would have died because healthcare costs that much, and they don't give a shit if its a kid that needs the care.
I"m flat broke. Plane tickets cost thousands of dollars. Also the economy there was pulled down along with the U.S. economy, and the real estate bullshit happened there too, so the places I used to live in cost more to rent in Israel than they do here (and I live in a rich town), while wages are lower there. The only reason I live in a rich town is because I still live with my parents. I can't get a job anywhere because of many medical problems that are liabilities, and greatly hurt productivity
You live in one of the most economically free countries in the world and can't figure out a way to make money. BooHoo.
Just last week I saw a woman walk into the diner I was in, around to at least 6 tables & drop off a pencil w/ a little note that mentioned her being deaf and it being tough to find work.
Collected at least a dollar offered from each table. Whole thing took like 45 seconds and she walked out.
And u can find time to bitch and moan on youtube but can't make any money. Go figure
Economically free doesn't mean that there are always jobs where I'm at, or that I can perform them as well as the others who apply for them. My time isn't worth minimum wage, and I don't have the money or place to start a business.
Dude, the rent where I live costs more than twice what I could make with minimum wage. You're an idiot, no one deserves minimum wage. The kind of work I could find right now wouldn't be enough to pay for the cheapest place, the cheapest food, and transportation. Add on top of that that I have some in-curable medical problems, who would hire me, and why would I want their measly wage if I can't live on it?
What? You just said you live with your parents. What the hell is all this "rent" nonsense?
What's more, two comments ago I described an actual situation in which I witnessed a deaf woman with no job (and possibly no skills) make at least $6 in 45 seconds, and you still want to whine about how you're so helpless.
Like I said, there's a reason you're broke. And it's exactly that defeatist mentality of yours that has made you (and will keep you) dependent on charity, family and the government.
My parents rent, and it happens to cost more than all the money I could get from hired work, at my skill level (and its actually a small place). As for charity, I'm alive today because the Israeli government payed for my transfusions when I was a child. It would have cost hundreds of thousands here in the states, and my family doesn't have that much. As for defeatist mentality, I'm living with 2 incurable conditions, severe anemia, and severe gastritis. I run out of breath after walking 50 yards
My point about rent was that u don't pay it. So it's irrelevant.
As for ur condition, I am truly sorry to hear about that and I understand that must be tough. But simply citing reasons for having a negative attitude (even if they're good ones) is no excuse for having one.
If all it took to have a bad attitude was "reasons", then EVERYONE would be angry and depressed. Everyone has reasons to feel down and sorry for themself. Ur not special in that respect.
My reasons? My anemia is 1 in a MILLION, no joke, and the gastritis, is 1 in 100, multiply that, and I got problems that only 1 in 100,000,000 people have to deal with. I have friends and family who have "reasons", and those are the standard reasons, like a heavy workload from a job or school, lack of sleep, and family problems. Well, I have all of those as well. Those come by default. And as for the rent, I'm saying, if I had to pay for it, I wouldn't be able to no matter what.
Then consider yourself Goddamned lucky for my friend's mother in Calgary DIED waiting in line for a Cat Scan for 14 fucking months. FOURTEEN FUCKING MONTHS!!! Canada doesn't have 300+ million people only about a third of that and you're prepared to tell me that there is that big a demand for cat scans? She was killed by bureaucrats plain and simple.
Well, Canada's fucking up somehow. I had a CT scan here in California during my stay in the emergency room 2 years ago. That discovered my gastritis, but it cost 5000 dollars. I have a friend in europe who told me she got the same deal, with less waiting than I had, for about 3 or 4 times less money, AND they treated her like a queen (wiped her ass for her, but then again, she had hemorrhoids). In Israel I can get every procedure in private practice for 3-5 times less money than here, no waiting
People seem to be missing the point on this commentary board.
(It's debatable, but) For the sake of argument, I will take it as a given that purer capitalist countries have better economies. This is only so valid because what really matters is quality of life. Why do you want money? For a better life. Money has no real intrinsic value (only in terms of the goods and services one can acquire with it). Generally, "socialist" countries have a higher HDI than "capitalist" ones (USA is #13).
im sorry but france beats us hands down on every front right now. i like adam but some of his views are rediculously ideolistic and sometimes very uneducated
well put your money where your mouth is and move to france. why torture yourself by living in our horribly oppressive, 3rd world country? go to france. its economy is SO stable...
Stick all of that "love it or leave it" shit right back up your ass. Telling someone to leave the country because they don't have the same stupid ideology as you? Because they're not part of the herd? I don't think there's anything more unamerican than that.
Whoa, who the heck said anything about ideology? The guy essentially said "France is better" and the other guy told him "Great go live there then and stop complaining."
And the education system? That's your evidence "France is better?" Please. The U.S. dominates every country in the world militarily, economically, scientifically and culturally.
It produces 20% of the world's economic output with less than 5% of the world's population.
And even with a crap education system we produce more scientific citations than any other country..6 times as many as the second place country (Japan).
Our movies, music and TV are the most popular anywhere.
I never said "France is better because of their education system." What I sad was that France has a better education system. Your evidence that 'merika is better than everyone else is that we can dominate them with our military? What an intelligent reason. US culture sucks. Our movies, music and tv are complete shit and are disgustingly poor in quality and content.
Yeah but you implied that was a reason france is better.
And military was one of four different categories I named. I also mentioned economically and scientifically. Two you neglected to mention.
And you can think American culture is shit but the rest of the world obviously disagrees with you as evidenced by what they spend their money on and what sort of trends they imitate.
The rest of the world disagrees with me that our culture is just shameless consumerism and gluttony? In France there are intellectual debates on real issues like whether god exists or not. They have public intellectuals. Why do you think I'm lonely? You're the fat disgusting narcissist. Scientifically? They're more advanced than we are because we they don't have stupid religious twats thumping bibles and blocking stem cell research and therapy.
The population of France is 60 million. The population of the US is 305 million. We have an enormously larger work force and markets, of course our GDP is going to be larger. Their economy is much healthier though. Ours is shit, just look around you. The people there aren't fucking stupid, gluttonous, slutty and irresponsible like the people here.
The U.S. produces 6.5 times the economic output of France...with only 4.5 times the population.
But yeah, I get it. You ARE lonely. You have a real obsession with religion. You're one of those oppressed losers who hates religious people because he's insecure in himself and was probably ostracized by fanatics where you live or somewhere you visited.
Do you even have a college degree or know anything about economics!? No, sorry, I'm not a homosexual. You're religious and believe in magic and voodoo? You believe in zombies, talking plants and animals, demons and post death magic theme parks and you're calling me an idiot? Ahahahaha. What makes you think that I'm lonely? Are you just betraying a reflection of yourself with your insults. Yes.
That's not all I have to say. I posted plenty of undeniable facts that you completely ignore in favor of insulting religious people. It's quite obvious YOU have nothing of any value to say, so you instead elect to take your inferiority complex out on me and religious people.
I already told you dude. It's okay that you're gay. Those people who make fun of you or tell you you're going to hell and stuff like that are all stupid.
Don't let them get to you. Guys like you need to stand proud.
"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."
- Frank Zappa
BatmanOneOhOne 2 days ago
* Scandinavian
yobro250 3 weeks ago
Adam is 100% correct. Communism/Socialism NEVER works. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. Capitalism as with any human endeavor is of course imperfect, and yet it implementation in the U.S. along with liberty and freedom resulted in the greatest accumulation of wealth in human history pulling exponentially more people out of poverty than any system ever devised. PLEASE just watch youtube video: "Milton Friedman-Greed". It's 2:24 of pure wisdom. Watch it.
3434arc1 2 months ago 6
@3434arc1 You think what we have in the US is capitalism? It's more like a mix of capitalism for the middle class, socialism for the rich and the poor. The rich have been ripping off the US treasury for a long time in many different ways. I used to hate the lazy idiots that get food stamps and quit trying. But as I've worked tirelessly to better myself I've realized how the system uses motivated people like mules hooked to the plow. The harder you try the more they pile on your back.
jwallbanger 2 months ago
@3434arc1 Good post. Once you watch one video by Milton Friedman, you won't be able to stop. It's absolutely brilliant. He transformed the way that I look at life and politics.
stebecool 3 weeks ago
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13stevejohnson 3 days ago
@stebecool you are an idiot... austrian economics has never worked without the state saving it and creating more oppression...
13stevejohnson 3 days ago
@3434arc1 Socialism never works? Yeah thats spot on for PURE socialism...But social democracies left wing type of governments sure do work for some countries...Western Europe, Scanavavia, New Zealand, Canada and to an extent Australia follow these social democracy type of governments and many of them have stronger economies than the US....not to mention much lower unemployment rates.
traveler10001000 3 weeks ago
@traveler10001000 Did you notice something that virtually all of the countries that you listed have in common? Most have heavily relied on the military might (as a result of massive military expenditures) & protective umbrella of the U.S., thus not having to devote nearly the resources for national defense that otherwise would have been required for their security. The U.S.economy still has enormous potential..cut taxes-cut spending-cut redundant regulation..and it will soar.
3434arc1 3 weeks ago
@3434arc1 "cut taxes-cut spending-cut redundant regulation..and it will soar."
Agreed...and we also have to factor in that countries like Norway, Sweden etc have small populations of largely homogeneous people...Obviously you can't compare it to a country like the US with a large population consisting of heterogeneous peoples
But it's also wrong to say that left wing social democracies don't work...They clearly do work well in some countries under the right circumstances..
traveler10001000 3 weeks ago
@3434arc1 As for the protective umbrella of the US..Well that is true for some of the countries I listed and not true at all for others...the countries that I listed largely don't go around trying to "spread freedom" and all the other neocon garbage that we do..so they tend to have less enemies and less people trying to kill them..Hence the low amount of military spending..Norway doesn't spend much on the military because they don't involve themselves in other countries business etc.
traveler10001000 3 weeks ago
@3434arc1 "thus not having to devote nearly the resources for national defense that otherwise would have been required for their security. "
No....it would not be required because they don't practice the same absurd arrogant enemy creating foreign policy that the US does..so their is barely any need for "security spending" because no one wants to attack Finland or Canada....The countries in close proximity to us rely on us for National security but its not like Canada really needs it.
traveler10001000 3 weeks ago
@3434arc1 depends on what u mean by freedom...
13stevejohnson 3 days ago
@3434arc1 lots of this depends on your view of human nature...
13stevejohnson 3 days ago
zzzzzz....boring.. and not bc i disagree with the premise totally. but bc it was boring and un funny. Not AC's best work. and the dude rambling on with him sounded like joe pesci from Lethal Weapon...even adam was bored with him.
geisman 2 months ago
@WideWorldOfWisdom *our
yobro250 3 months ago
@WideWorldOfWisdom Why is he even comparing France to the US? France is a country of 65 million people....the US is a country of 306 million people...Obviously are overall GDP will be much higher just on the count of our much larger overall population..305 vs 65
Other than that...it was an interesting discussion
yobro250 3 months ago
@yobro250
Calcanis said the U.S. owns a disproportionate amount of the global GDP. This is true. The US makes up roughly 5% of world population...yet accounts for more than 20% of world GDP.
WideWorldOfWisdom 2 months ago
@WideWorldOfWisdom Very true...Just saying that you have to take population into consideration..France has a fairly strong economy...not as strong as Germany but strong like the Scandinavian region...They do have a higher unemployment rate through ( I believe its like 9.8 percent) where as Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden, The Netherlands, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc have low unemployment rates.
yobro250 2 months ago
@yobro250
Can you not read? He just said 20% of the GDP with 5% of the POPULATION. What part of that do u not understand? The pop IS taken into account. That's what makes it so impressive in the first place. Your whole complaint is that France has less people. The whole point is the US has less people than the rest of the world (a shitload less actually), & makes up a global share of GDP that is 4 TIMES its size in terms of relative POPULATION.
Are you just slow or something?
mikerotcherson 2 months ago
@mikerotcherson I know exactly what he said dumbass....You're the one who has trouble keeping up and comprehending ...Where did I say anything about the Us clearly not having the highest gdp per population? It is obvious that we do..I just pointed out that it is stupid to compare France a country of 65 million with a country of 305million
Yes we have the highest gdp per population...That is obvious..Would france have a lower Gdp than us if they had the same number of people? Yes
yobro250 2 months ago
@mikerotcherson Stop trying to cause a pointless argument over something that I clearly comprehended..We have the highest gdp relative to population.That is obvious.Still it's pointless to compare it to a small country with 65 million people
It really isn't that impressive anyway..We are the current superpower..Superpowers tend to dominate economically..Not any different from any other super power in history..And we're losing our lead anyway..China will be on top someday
yobro250 2 months ago
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@yobro250
Let's consider what you just said...
"Would france have a lower Gdp than us if they had the same number of people? Yes"
Hmm. Now let's look at what you said when you began this whole tirade:
"Obviously are overall GDP will be much higher just on the count of our much larger overall population..305 vs 65".
Either you're a complete idiot and you still have no clue what you're saying, or he taught you something and you're just trying to save face.
mikerotcherson 2 months ago
i bought an aluminum carpenter's level made in israel one time, probably made in an old uzi factory
Justen1980 3 months ago
I'm not saying Communism is better, but
It's funny how people think we are free under democracy and capitalism. These are constructs that just creat the illusion of freedom. Since when has having the most votes meant something?
Corporations control what you buy and what you eat, who you get to vote for, and what laws will be passed. Do you think that's freedom?
spyu 3 months ago
@spyu
...Says the guy with a corporate logo as his avatar.
mikerotcherson 3 months ago
@mikerotcherson Doesn't change the facts. The fact that I have a corporate logo should make my argument more compelling if anything. But it's easy to spout off an easy comeback that contains no thought.
spyu 3 months ago
@spyu
Yes, because Full Tilt Poker definitely has control over what my avatar on youtube is.
mikerotcherson 3 months ago
@mikerotcherson Yeah keep replying with things that have nothing to do with what I was talking about. That'll at least keep you from having to debate directly regarding a topic you have no clue about.
spyu 3 months ago
@spyu
First u said "Corporations control what you buy and what you eat, who you get to vote for, and what laws will be passed."
Then I pointed out that u voluntarily put a corporate logo in as ur avatar. Your response was that fact should make your "argument" more compelling.
The only way that would be the case is if Full Tilt Poker controlled what u put in your youtube avatar (in going along with your "corporations control everything" motif). I point that out & u want to cry "irrelevant".
mikerotcherson 3 months ago
We arnt for democracy though. We are for Free Market, Individuality and Liberty. Our founders were just as skeptical about democracy as they were about strong Central governments. We have more power with companies because we are the consumers that can sway CEO's and corporations. But a government big enough to give you anything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
scienceatheism 2 months ago
@controversyking True Communism has killed millions and is a shitty form of gov't but then again what about the millions killed in Africa and Asia under imperialist gov'ts or the tens of millions of natives killed in North America, sometimes in blatantly unconstitutional acts like the trail of tears? I'm not saying communism is good but that nations like the US and Europe have a pretty sordid past about as bad as the USSR or simply put people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
majordbag2 4 months ago
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@controversyking
Capitalism has killed millions of people. When are you tards going to get a fucking clue that it will never work? Spare us this shit about how it needs to be done right.
VeloceManiac 5 months ago
the USA is booming and busting now??? adam makes sense, this goofball is silly
meeces13 6 months ago
theres more money in keeping ppl sick and in prisons
meeces13 6 months ago
@Atheisophy Americans never really even think about Europe in the first place, actually. Sorry.
ChewToy89 7 months ago
@ChewToy89 Americans never really think in the first place, actually. Sorry.
meeces13 6 months ago
@meeces13 Keep whining at me and I'll be busy not giving a shit.
ChewToy89 6 months ago
@ChewToy89 have fun pretending youre free
meeces13 6 months ago
@Atheisophy
What, no more "we have the best cabbage!" tallies?
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Again, I still would love to hear any of the metrics ur using to measure all your subjective claims of "better". And I love how u choose a 6 year old bridge & compare it to a bridge completed in the 1930s to illustrate European "superiority".
And musicians? Do u really want to go there? More than half of the top 30 selling artists & top 50 selling albums come from a single country. The US. And film directors? That's what you want to point to? EU has better film directors? Again...
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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again, I'd love to hear the metric you're using to determine that, but hey. Better film directors. Bahravo.
And you know, for someone who does as much accusing of "crazy nationalism", you sure do spend a lot of time trying to claim superiority.
Here's a nice European quote for you: "Methinks he doth protest too much."
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
1) I do not "claim" anyone. I was merely pointing out the reality that much of the world's best and brightest come to America not only to get educated, but to do their life's work, and to create and innovate. There is a reason for that. And there's a reason the world isn't falling over themselves to move to Greece.
2) You have not pointed out any instances in which the EU "excels". All you have done is falsely claim UK has more Nobel Prizes, and that the Eurozone has higher GDP.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Sigh. I suppose the university system there must be like the lower education system here then. I'll define it for you: "attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument." Where in the world did I attack your character and say that invalidated any sort of actual point?
And excuse me..2006 data says 8.1 Trillion Euros, 2009 data shows 8.9 trillion euros. My bad, "mate". (as if that makes a difference) source: bit [dot] ly/lyoSYf
And...
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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And no, I won't drive a Euro car, Japanese engineering is preferred...and "our food?" I have no idea what is meant by that. I don't go to Europe for dinner. And "our technology"? You're going to try to claim ownership of the Internet because a British emigrant (that means he LEFT britain) helped create the worldwideweb (which isn't the Internet)?
You really ARE desperate.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Nice straw man. Who ever said America was perfect? And you did not give me any actual source. You just keep telling me to read the WSJ and check with Goldman Sachs. I gave you the actual link to my source that shows how not even the 17 states of the Eurozone have a GDP equivalent to the US...I'll show it again:
ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/euro/why/international/index_en.htm
That's from your own European Commission. So please tell me again the Eurozone has a higher GDP.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Ad hominem? This just gets better and better. Do you even know the definition of that phrase?
While you're off finding more American sources of info, and watching American movies, and having American topics take up at least a third of your TV news, and using American products (especially pharmaceuticals), and listening to American music, and surfing American websites, you might want to check out a dictionary and look that phrase up.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
One has to love how u keep citing an American news source as the go-to place for good info. And yes, while a Fed audit has yet to take place, we do know a hell of a lot of QE 1 money went to FOREIGN banks...like those in Europe. (How this helps your case, I have no idea).
And I would be happy to hear the metric u are using to measure "standard of living" & "best engineers".
And as for confusing liberalism with communism...they're both collectivism...so there ISN'T much difference
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Yes u have brought the discussion down...even further than the shallow level at which u began it. Through your multiple factual fallacies (& subsequent false accusations), non sequiturs, and back and forth flip flopping. You want to claim Europe should be counted as one, then not Europe, just the EU...then not the EU, just the Eurozone...now ur coming back with EU (prob because I showed u how the Eurozone (still with more people) is still economically smaller than the US.) And...
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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then u want to claim the EU should be counted as 1 because other major bodies do that..but of course u don't want to us GDP as a measure of economic size (even though every major body does THAT) because it actually hurts ur case. So basically we should do what BS organizations like the WTO do when it makes Europe look good, but when it doesn't, it's "that's not a good measure".
Then finally u have resorted to useless simpleton BS such as Europe is #1 because "we have world's top restaurant"
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Okay so we agree on multiple things:
1) YOU brought up the Nobel & got your numbers wrong. Twice. And all the while told me I was wrong.
2) YOU are the one who overlooked comments and told ME I should make sure to read them all.
3) YOU said Europe should be counted as one entity, then it shouldn't, then it should.
And what does Carolla's taste in cars have to do with the economic and moral superiority of free market capitalism? THAT was the point of the segment. And...
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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Your entire "EU is #1" tirade is basically a pathetic reaching of a childish nationalistic need to be able to say you're better than someone. Seriously. "The world's top restaurant"? Are you f-ing serious? You have officially dragged this discussion to a new low of nonsense.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
I did not change numbers. Both times I said the same thing: US is home to at least 326 laureates. U.K.: 116. First you said: "US has 500% the population of the UK but only 50% the Nobel prizes" which is completely false. Then you said "US has 270 Nobel prizes and the UK holds 117" and cited wikipedia. For one, that isn't even what WP says. It says MY numbers. And two, even those wrong numbers you give contradict your first statement. So it is U who changes numbers & r still wrong.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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And second, the whole Nobel issue is a stupid comparison to begin with, because I was talking economic data and you bring up a subjective award, bestowed by a European board (and the US STILL has more laureates than any other country). But using a subjective award to try and measure intelligence is just asinine to begin with.
Population is important because: more people = more productive capacity. Ceteris paribus, a country with more people is going to be more productive.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
So YOU missed comments, and then tell ME to make sure I read all of them? Give me a break.
You didn't point me to any article, you just keep saying I should "check with Goldstein on Marketwatch and Goldman Sachs". I gave you the exact link to were I got my stats "mate". If you would read the comments you'd see it.
And again one has to love how you continue to dodge the Nobel issue that YOU brought up and were wrong about even when you changed your story and introduced new numbers
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
So let's retrace where we've gone so far...first, Carolla was wrong to compare the U.S. to other individual countries, because, well, I don't know, the US is just too dominant, so Europe should be considered as one. Then we went to "it is not a good idea to think of Europe as one". Then u went into this whole Nobel sidebar with totally wrong info, claiming that UK has more prizes than US, & then when u come back with your own numbers & say the opposite (& don't admit u were wrong)..
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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and instead u try to change the subject with "o well uh..US has slowed significantly in recieving nobel prizes since 1980"...as if that had even the slightest relevance to anything being discussed. Then u switch back to EU & claim it's the EuroZONE that should be considered as one unit. I point out that even that bloc has more people and a lower GDP than US..to which u claim GDP isn't a good measure.
And now finally u've resorted to saying they're basically neck & neck. U sure can dance.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
I've seen all the comments. You should follow your own advice. I'll repaste my previous Nobel response in a post following this one.
As for citing sources, that's a little difficult to do with a 500 character limit. My Eurozone = 106% of the population of US comes from adding pops of the 17 EU states, and the U.S. Census. My 57% of the GDP stat was underestimated, due to a currency conversion...the actual percentage is 75%. That comes from ec.europa.eu
So still, >people, but <GDP
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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And yes, WP does have a list. You should look at it. US has 326 laureates and UK has 116. I think the difference is ur counting prizes, whereas my data is actual laureates...which is actually the more accurate measure given the context, as the metric u introduced was population.
And besides, the whole point was u said "US has 500% the population of the UK but only 50% the Nobel prizes." Even your own numbers contradict your statement. One just has to love how u try to change the subject.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Oh well would you look at that. Now we're only talking about the Eurozone? Yeah that WOULD make more sense as a viable comparison to the U.S. now wouldn't it. And how does it stack up? Oh...whattya know...Eurozone has 106% of the population of US, and only 57% of the GDP.
This just isn't working out for you very well is it. Again I love how you go completely silent on the Nobel Prize nonsense that YOU brought up.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
U have given no reason at all as to why an entire continent with completely different governments, cultures and peoples should be considered as one bloc just in the case of economics (other than simply for the purpose of being able to say it's better than the U.S. of course...which it seems like is your entire aim here.)....
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
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And yes, WP does have a list. You should look at it. US has 326 laureates and UK has 116. I think the difference is ur counting prizes, whereas my data is actual laureates...which is actually the more accurate measure given the context, as the metric u introduced was population.
And besides, the whole point was u said "US has 500% the population of the UK but only 50% the Nobel prizes." Even your own numbers contradict your statement. One just has to love how u try to change the subject.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
1) YOU were the one who started this whole thing by all but outright stating that Europe should be considered as 1 entity. That was ur entire point. That was the only way u could try to claim Carolla was wrong. You said the U.S. shouldn't be compared to other countries, but to an entire continent.
2) I explain the Nobel Prize example by the fact that it's completely false. I have no idea where your information comes from, but the U.S. is home to at least 326 laureates. U.K.: 116.
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
Oh I see. So you got shoved behind economically because your united "single bloc" had a big "civil war" and all the "united" peoples just started fighting with each other. Got it.
And I laid down some reality for you too. Even conceding this nonsense idea that somehow the colonies were just as advanced as Europe proper, as if you could ship over some people and tools and have a colony be a carbon copy of development...2.35 times the population, 23% more GDP. Not exactly impressive
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
@Atheisophy
"Always linked" is a nice way to put it...given these supposed "united" countries were constantly warring with each other.
But even if we grant u this nonsense about Europe being one big bloc throughout history, the continent today has more than twice the population, and an extra 1000 years of development under its belt...so I would kind of hope it's "richer" than the U.S...
Oh but what's this? Despite having 235% the population, and 425% the time, Europe has only 23% more GDP?
mikerotcherson 8 months ago
No Adam you don't need to go and kill Castro on his own soil just because he has PROVED that unlike Israel, his nation can wipe its ow ass without your filthy American intervention. Also, you talk about Israel being a leading nation of innovation? LOL, well let's all pretend that you don't know your govt steals multi BILLIONS each and every year to give to Israel (a developed sovergn nation). Take away those Billions and Israel = FUCKED
mookixox 9 months ago
All of the stuff they teach you in economics in college is complete and total bullshit. Even the most accomplished Nobel prize winning economists have no idea how economic reality works. It's all theories based on huge aggregate models and complex mathematics, not human response, which is the BIGGEST part of economics.
pretorious700 10 months ago
Going to court before firing someone=gold
allrightbrain 11 months ago
so, life is essentially...poker. nice
clichemanagement 1 year ago
so, life is essentially a poker game. nice.
clichemanagement 1 year ago
@clichemanagement
May be a crude way of putting it, but essentially yes. BUT, it doesn't have to be. There are many in this country who prefer not to take any chances, whether it be from getting killed on the road in their cars, or getting rejected after applying themselves to recieve a decent paying job, etc. So they pretty much stay home all day watching tv by day, and spend their government dole on drinking by night. No risks, no failures......or success.
oxomaticman 10 months ago
@viktorhat community college is 13th grade. high school part 2. if you have been there, you know it's true
LAmonk76 1 year ago
They make some good points, but I'd like to compare their income to the average American. That might explain their love for capitalism.
S24995 1 year ago
@S24995 I don't get it. Are you suggesting the average American shouldn't love capitalism?
youtoobiniac 1 year ago
@youtoobiniac It depends if the average American is happy.
S24995 1 year ago
@S24995 You think capitalism is a source of unhappiness for average people? Please explain.
youtoobiniac 1 year ago
@youtoobiniac It's easy to play the keep up with the Jones's game instead of enjoying what you have. I guess it gives people motivation for success, but many are thinking about the better car, better house, and better job.
S24995 1 year ago
@S24995 What does that have to do with capitalism?
youtoobiniac 1 year ago
SImple, most countries are still evolving economically and nearly all adopt socialism/communism. However the economies that have collapsed were and are the ones where government tried beating the market. USSR is no longer. why? because they had set prices. 99.9% people never look at history for economics.
eathis12 1 year ago
Adam misses brutally when he tries to comment on economics and powerstructures, hes much better at trivial stuff.
And as a pokerplayer the mentioned analogy is just ridiculous, but I guess they don't multi-table much or have made any money off poker. Im playing poker right now, thats why I can work and write this silly comment at the same time.
And ofcourse, in a capitalistic world you would need an economic incentive to do anything, but thats granted its a capitalistic world, big big miss.
RipTheJackR 1 year ago
the drug companies I'm sure are carrying the torch with respect to a cure for aids...because they created it...with plenty of subsidy and help from the government.
Spindles15 1 year ago
In France they have a larger middle class shorter work week , twice the vacation 100% free quality health care 15 different viable political parties and the government raising the retirement age from 60 to 62 causes riots. They were doing better than us before the crash and they are recovering faster........ A more balanced system is better for all.
BadOompaloompa79 1 year ago
@BadOompaloompa79 Good..now tell everyone why, if such a small thing as raising the retirement age 2 years would cause RIOTS (really civil society wouldn't you say?) why would they do it?
Is it possible that because of everything you listed before that--working shorter weeks, with more vacation time while at the same time giving more stuff to more people who don't even work at all--they have an economy that is so physically unproductive that they physically can't PAY for all that retirement?
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
Ideologically based economic policy has failed, if you think "pure" capitalism or "pure" communism is the answer at this point your a retard. Non ideologically based , case by case pragmatism is what works, look at the nominally socialist democracies in Europe, they are doing much much better than us and have been for 20 years.
BadOompaloompa79 1 year ago
@BadOompaloompa79 This guy's right people...Just look at how great France and Greece are doing.
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson
Actually France are doing way better than the US, and Scandinavia is making the US look like a 3rd world country.
RipTheJackR 1 year ago
@RipTheJackR What universe are you living in? Do a search for "France riots 2010" and come back and tell us how great France is doing.
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson
lol, like riots in france is something new, why do you think they paved the streets of paris? if you think of the recent riots and base your entire "france is worse than the us" argument on that, then you have absolutely no clue. yes there is alot wrong with france, specially the huge amounts of fascists that are there, heard of jean-marie le pen? doubt you have. i win :)
RipTheJackR 1 year ago
@RipTheJackR LOL. "like riots in france is something new". You're entire case is that France is doing better than the U.S. and you come back with that. You go ahead and keep pattin yourself on the back and don't forget to say hi to the Front Nationals when you move to that paradise land o' plenty. :-D
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson
I wasnt making a case that France is better based on their riot-factors. All I said that it wasn't something new (for various of reasons). And my initial response was actually attacking you for putting so much emphasis on the riots. There is good and bad concerning France, and my point is simply that the fact they have "riots" (most of it are just demonstrations) doesn't automatically make them worse than anyone else. It illustrates disconnect between politicians and the people.
RipTheJackR 1 year ago
@RipTheJackR I understand what you were trying to say. And the question is WHY are riots so "common" and what is the reason for the most recent series? It is because France IS NOT doing so well economically. They have an enormous welfare state that is choking the country and which they can't pay for..and the people expect to get something for nothing.
And when "demonstrations" involve large numbers of people engaging in violence, vandalism, and arson, normal people just use the term "riot."
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson
There are way more demonstrations than riots in general. When non-french ethnic groups rampage because of living conditions. turn cars over and setting on them on fire - yes thats a riot.
When the right wing try to marginalize laws that prevent employers from abusing workers, thats when you have more civilized demons.
Automsg makes me return to this conv,and i guess i should stop, either way;i sincerely hope you'll continue to thrive in this life,take care mate :)
RipTheJackR 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson France and greece are both capitalistic democraties. where are you going with this?
peter17dude 1 year ago
@peter17dude First of all, how you define "capitalistic democraties [sic]" makes a big difference. Perhaps you could tell what that term means to you. Second, BadOompaloompa79 and RipTheJackR attempted to claim that the fact that the French work less, go on vacation more, have a socialist system of health care and riots are commonplace (apparently) is somehow a good thing and the result of a superior economic system. My point is that is not at all true.
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson well the riots in France have nothing to do with their socialistic welfare benefits. they rioters are frustrated immigrants who aren't properly integrated into the society,. if anything France is an example of failed integration.
also, France is very far from being socialistic, despite of their public welfare system. they have a marked controlled economy and is not socialistic regardless of how conservatively you define it.
peter17dude 1 year ago
@peter17dude French people are rioting because the government wants to raise the retirement age by 2 years, because they have too many people on the dole and don't have the money to pay for it all...
And you're going to try to say the riots have nothing to do with socialistic welfare benefits? That's precisely what they're about. And a few days ago France was a "capitalistic democracy"...now it's a "marked controlled economy"...are you ever going to define these ambiguous terms you use?
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson
im not being purposly vague here. both capitalistic democracy and marked controlled economy are two terms most people who have been through the school system would have no problem understanding. if you cant use google. having a plan/goverment controlled economy is a vital part of the communistic society modell. hence France as a marked economy is the very oposite.
there is no use discussing this with you as there is nothing to discuss. France is a capitalistic Democracy!
peter17dude 1 year ago
@peter17dude Quasi-capitalist if we're honest.
tripleheshy 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson and the ironi mike is the following; france and greece, and Usa for that mather crashed because of greed, a byproduct of capitalism. all these countries are capitalistic, so your just plain wrong here.
i want to make it clear that im not a comunist but if you manage to see your own country and its governing system fra a little bit more distant perspective, im sure you will agree that a system where profit, is above human worth is a discrasefull one.
peter17dude 1 year ago
@peter17dude "ironi"? Do you just have a broken keyboard? Were you meaning to say "markeT economy"?
And just because someone has been through a shitty school system doesn't mean they know what things really mean. In fact it usually means they know a lot that isn't so. Like you displayed here...with your suggestion that greed is somehow dependent on the economic system...that if we just had the right system, greed would somehow disappear. Which is probably the most asinine idea in history.
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
@mikerotcherson greed is not dependt on the economic system, the economic system is depending on greed. creating needs that arent there, and making people consume more and more. your ego is obviously to big to even move an inch from your preconcieved thoughts, but you obviously dont know shit about france or Greece, and i cannot argue with someone who does not have the slightest idea of why many EU contries struggle economicly these days. these contries are not socialistic!
peter17dude 1 year ago
@peter17dude You said those countries "crashed because of greed, a by product of capitalism"...this implies that greed is created by capitalism...that if capitalism didn't exist, greed wouldn't exist.
Could you please name a society that doesn't run on greed?
mikerotcherson 1 year ago
They forgot about poland, by the way, after the fall of communism they have been steadily rising and has been the only country to actually flourish during these trying times. Capitalism fucking rules, :dealwithit:
s0beit 1 year ago
Calicanis is such a knob.
lmiddleman 1 year ago
vaffancullo...maldi educado io sonno pilippino,che casso stai parlando la mia paese?per noi tu sei pulcino...bastado....
bhokish1 1 year ago
Internet domination? Dumping money and making googles stock go up so they can make more investments. Freedom is legal freedom = less goverment laws and taxes not more.
zazack79 2 years ago
@zazack79
Well, that's your definition of freedom I guess.
genxtargetmarket 1 year ago
Handyman hit it on the head. It's the FED!!!!! It's the Look into what the FED actually is. The majority of Americans are so clueless about it. The FED is as Federal as Federal Express, and guess what? They own us. End of discussion.
Dumpster510 2 years ago
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therepublicanknight 2 years ago
Are you really black or just painted? it seems like ur just painted black lol
Supernova310 2 years ago
... The pie takes decades to grow and show any real improvement. Natural resources and jobs aren't just created instantly to accommodate anyone who wants to "get rich". People who think it does are those who end up creating bubbles, which later crash. I took 2 economics classes and was the top student, so I should know.
mostliberal 2 years ago
Oh really? 2 whole classes huh? Top student you say? Where did you take these classes, the National Association of Retarded People?
Seriously though you're funny. I thought you were actually serious about all the things you had been saying. I see what you've been doing now.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
In high school and in college, and that high school was in the top 1000 in the U.S., and the college I go to (even though its community college) has the highest percentage of successful transfers to the top Universities in California. And I am serious about all the things I was saying. People like you think that you can get rich quick and no harm is done. Well look at this depression we're in, look at what happened in 2001, in 1987, and in 1929. By removing regulation, you create bubbles.
mostliberal 2 years ago
You took one economics class in high school and another in fricking community college and (surprise surprise) think you know everything.
There was no deregulation in the Bush years. And the Great Depression was caused by the Federal Reserve. Milton Friedman won a Nobel Prize in Economics in part for basically proving that with his monetary history research.
You're out of your league. You have no idea what you're talking about.
youtoobiniac 2 years ago 13
No de-regulation, what the fuck are you talking about? Bush tried to privatize social security, which is the way many people in the U.S. get pension. He pushed for that act that made it easier for people to burrow money for mortgages. That's the main reason the economy is so shitty. It started in the 2000s, not in in the 90s.
mostliberal 2 years ago
Name one piece of deregulation legislation that Bush signed into law.
Go ahead. If he was going crazy "deregulating everything for 8 years" that shouldn't be too hard to name one thing.
Let's hear it Mr. community college.
youtoobiniac 2 years ago
wrong
it started with the community reinvestment act in the 70's under carter...
then clinton screwed with it
then finally bush
know your history
HandyMan101 2 years ago
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Caroline222010 1 year ago
we've had more bubbles WITH regulation from the FED than without.
FED creates artificial interests rates...
you have it completely backwards.
the market decides what fails, not the FED
HandyMan101 2 years ago
@mostliberal "I took 2 economics classes and was the top student, so I should know." I hope that was a joke
mimimerlot13 2 years ago
Part of what I learned in those classes is that without regulation oligopolies and monopolies form, reducing competition. Also that GDP in developed countries can't hope to rise faster than 5% a year, and in the recent decade even THAT hasn't been happening. So no matter how fast everyone wants to get rich, it's not going to happen. The pie doesn't grow fast enough, so there's only room for a few people on top. Going from poor to rich fast is a dream they feed down your throat to keep the system
mostliberal 2 years ago
... to those who cannot "afford" them. Why can't they afford them? Because some rich faggot is hoarding millions or billions for his own pleasure. There are children who die of medical problems in the U.S. because their parents don't have the money for medical care. That shit doesn't happen in the other industrialized, civilized, western countries. I'm not just talking about paying for a kid's leukemia bill, I'm talking about kids who die from the flu, like they did 100 years ago.
mostliberal 2 years ago
Anyway, I still think communism is the way to go, and that capitalism is a system founded on pure evil: taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
mostliberal 2 years ago
You cannot be serious about this.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
I am. Those standard problems we all have, I have them too, but I have some shit to deal with that's a lot worse than what the average person has to deal with. The reason why capitalism is evil is because the whole premise of capitalism is to get rich off someone else's expense. You can't get rich without taking resources away from someone else. That means that to succeed in capitalism you have to actively find "legal" ways to steal shit from others. In capitalism, basic necessities are denied..
mostliberal 2 years ago
This idea that life is a zero-sum game is one of the most commonly held fallacies.
You think that if one person has more, then that means that everyone else must have less...That there's only so much pie to go around.
Bill Gates didn't get rich by stealing more pieces of one big pie. He created better, faster, cheaper, more efficient ways of doing things that made all our lives better.
He made the pie bigger. Really, most rich people get rich by being entrepreneurs and creating MORE pies.
youtoobiniac 2 years ago
No, he didn't, he stole ideas from others and sold them as his own, he created monopoly to dominate the market, and his shit is so unreliable that no government agencies anywhere use windows for any critical systems. His windows operating system didn't bring about an easier way to grow food, perform surgery, or do research. Therefore, the money he recieved from people could have gone for any one of those other causes instead. He got rich by taking a huge chunk out of the pie...
mostliberal 2 years ago
The Jews created communism.
prooc 2 years ago
BTW, Obama added more to our deficit in his first 4 months than Bush, whom I can't stand, did in eight years.
tripleheshy 2 years ago
I'm alive today because of socialized medicine in Israel. Had I lived in the U.S. as an infant and child, I would have died because healthcare costs that much, and they don't give a shit if its a kid that needs the care.
mostliberal 2 years ago
Then why don't you go back to Israel? The United States was founded on individualism not collectivism..
aaharrington 2 years ago
I"m flat broke. Plane tickets cost thousands of dollars. Also the economy there was pulled down along with the U.S. economy, and the real estate bullshit happened there too, so the places I used to live in cost more to rent in Israel than they do here (and I live in a rich town), while wages are lower there. The only reason I live in a rich town is because I still live with my parents. I can't get a job anywhere because of many medical problems that are liabilities, and greatly hurt productivity
mostliberal 2 years ago
You live in one of the most economically free countries in the world and can't figure out a way to make money. BooHoo.
Just last week I saw a woman walk into the diner I was in, around to at least 6 tables & drop off a pencil w/ a little note that mentioned her being deaf and it being tough to find work.
Collected at least a dollar offered from each table. Whole thing took like 45 seconds and she walked out.
And u can find time to bitch and moan on youtube but can't make any money. Go figure
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
Economically free doesn't mean that there are always jobs where I'm at, or that I can perform them as well as the others who apply for them. My time isn't worth minimum wage, and I don't have the money or place to start a business.
mostliberal 2 years ago
That's your response? You live with your parents and spend your day bitching about it on YouTube and somehow think you're above making minimum wage?
You know, you're right. Your time isn't worth minimum wage. It's worth a hell of a lot less.
No wonder you're broke.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
Dude, the rent where I live costs more than twice what I could make with minimum wage. You're an idiot, no one deserves minimum wage. The kind of work I could find right now wouldn't be enough to pay for the cheapest place, the cheapest food, and transportation. Add on top of that that I have some in-curable medical problems, who would hire me, and why would I want their measly wage if I can't live on it?
mostliberal 2 years ago
What? You just said you live with your parents. What the hell is all this "rent" nonsense?
What's more, two comments ago I described an actual situation in which I witnessed a deaf woman with no job (and possibly no skills) make at least $6 in 45 seconds, and you still want to whine about how you're so helpless.
Like I said, there's a reason you're broke. And it's exactly that defeatist mentality of yours that has made you (and will keep you) dependent on charity, family and the government.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
My parents rent, and it happens to cost more than all the money I could get from hired work, at my skill level (and its actually a small place). As for charity, I'm alive today because the Israeli government payed for my transfusions when I was a child. It would have cost hundreds of thousands here in the states, and my family doesn't have that much. As for defeatist mentality, I'm living with 2 incurable conditions, severe anemia, and severe gastritis. I run out of breath after walking 50 yards
mostliberal 2 years ago
My point about rent was that u don't pay it. So it's irrelevant.
As for ur condition, I am truly sorry to hear about that and I understand that must be tough. But simply citing reasons for having a negative attitude (even if they're good ones) is no excuse for having one.
If all it took to have a bad attitude was "reasons", then EVERYONE would be angry and depressed. Everyone has reasons to feel down and sorry for themself. Ur not special in that respect.
watch this:
/watch?v=v4uG2kSdd-4
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
My reasons? My anemia is 1 in a MILLION, no joke, and the gastritis, is 1 in 100, multiply that, and I got problems that only 1 in 100,000,000 people have to deal with. I have friends and family who have "reasons", and those are the standard reasons, like a heavy workload from a job or school, lack of sleep, and family problems. Well, I have all of those as well. Those come by default. And as for the rent, I'm saying, if I had to pay for it, I wouldn't be able to no matter what.
mostliberal 2 years ago
I didn't ask about your reasons. I said everyone has them. And some people have plenty more than you.
Again, watch this:
youtube. com/watch?v=v4uG2kSdd-4
(remove the space in there and make sure it's one line.)
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
Then consider yourself Goddamned lucky for my friend's mother in Calgary DIED waiting in line for a Cat Scan for 14 fucking months. FOURTEEN FUCKING MONTHS!!! Canada doesn't have 300+ million people only about a third of that and you're prepared to tell me that there is that big a demand for cat scans? She was killed by bureaucrats plain and simple.
tripleheshy 2 years ago
Well, Canada's fucking up somehow. I had a CT scan here in California during my stay in the emergency room 2 years ago. That discovered my gastritis, but it cost 5000 dollars. I have a friend in europe who told me she got the same deal, with less waiting than I had, for about 3 or 4 times less money, AND they treated her like a queen (wiped her ass for her, but then again, she had hemorrhoids). In Israel I can get every procedure in private practice for 3-5 times less money than here, no waiting
mostliberal 2 years ago
I forgot to mention, that friend lives in Belgium.
mostliberal 2 years ago
People seem to be missing the point on this commentary board.
(It's debatable, but) For the sake of argument, I will take it as a given that purer capitalist countries have better economies. This is only so valid because what really matters is quality of life. Why do you want money? For a better life. Money has no real intrinsic value (only in terms of the goods and services one can acquire with it). Generally, "socialist" countries have a higher HDI than "capitalist" ones (USA is #13).
patchmu84 2 years ago
im sorry but france beats us hands down on every front right now. i like adam but some of his views are rediculously ideolistic and sometimes very uneducated
keggerous 2 years ago
well put your money where your mouth is and move to france. why torture yourself by living in our horribly oppressive, 3rd world country? go to france. its economy is SO stable...
dbonanno 2 years ago
actually i plan on it...or at least somewhere in europe. i dont feel like living in this country anymore and i think a change would be awsome
keggerous 2 years ago
Stick all of that "love it or leave it" shit right back up your ass. Telling someone to leave the country because they don't have the same stupid ideology as you? Because they're not part of the herd? I don't think there's anything more unamerican than that.
Redbaron011 2 years ago
Whoa, who the heck said anything about ideology? The guy essentially said "France is better" and the other guy told him "Great go live there then and stop complaining."
What the heck is wrong with that?
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
The France's education system blows the US' right out of the water.
Redbaron011 2 years ago
And the education system? That's your evidence "France is better?" Please. The U.S. dominates every country in the world militarily, economically, scientifically and culturally.
It produces 20% of the world's economic output with less than 5% of the world's population.
And even with a crap education system we produce more scientific citations than any other country..6 times as many as the second place country (Japan).
Our movies, music and TV are the most popular anywhere.
Cannot compare.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
I never said "France is better because of their education system." What I sad was that France has a better education system. Your evidence that 'merika is better than everyone else is that we can dominate them with our military? What an intelligent reason. US culture sucks. Our movies, music and tv are complete shit and are disgustingly poor in quality and content.
Redbaron011 2 years ago
Yeah but you implied that was a reason france is better.
And military was one of four different categories I named. I also mentioned economically and scientifically. Two you neglected to mention.
And you can think American culture is shit but the rest of the world obviously disagrees with you as evidenced by what they spend their money on and what sort of trends they imitate.
You're probably pretty lonely huh.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
The rest of the world disagrees with me that our culture is just shameless consumerism and gluttony? In France there are intellectual debates on real issues like whether god exists or not. They have public intellectuals. Why do you think I'm lonely? You're the fat disgusting narcissist. Scientifically? They're more advanced than we are because we they don't have stupid religious twats thumping bibles and blocking stem cell research and therapy.
Redbaron011 2 years ago
2.
The population of France is 60 million. The population of the US is 305 million. We have an enormously larger work force and markets, of course our GDP is going to be larger. Their economy is much healthier though. Ours is shit, just look around you. The people there aren't fucking stupid, gluttonous, slutty and irresponsible like the people here.
Redbaron011 2 years ago
Yeah. Look at the proportions Einstein.
The U.S. produces 6.5 times the economic output of France...with only 4.5 times the population.
But yeah, I get it. You ARE lonely. You have a real obsession with religion. You're one of those oppressed losers who hates religious people because he's insecure in himself and was probably ostracized by fanatics where you live or somewhere you visited.
They probably attacked you for being gay, right?
Don't let it get to you. Those people are stupid.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
Do you even have a college degree or know anything about economics!? No, sorry, I'm not a homosexual. You're religious and believe in magic and voodoo? You believe in zombies, talking plants and animals, demons and post death magic theme parks and you're calling me an idiot? Ahahahaha. What makes you think that I'm lonely? Are you just betraying a reflection of yourself with your insults. Yes.
Redbaron011 2 years ago
I love how you have nothing to say about the facts and have to keep insulting religious people.
Only ALMOST as much as you must love boys.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
Again, I'm not a homosexual. I think that it's revealing that the only thing you have left to say is, "yeah... well you're gay".
Redbaron011 2 years ago
That's not all I have to say. I posted plenty of undeniable facts that you completely ignore in favor of insulting religious people. It's quite obvious YOU have nothing of any value to say, so you instead elect to take your inferiority complex out on me and religious people.
I already told you dude. It's okay that you're gay. Those people who make fun of you or tell you you're going to hell and stuff like that are all stupid.
Don't let them get to you. Guys like you need to stand proud.
mikerotcherson 2 years ago
Hahhahaha. You're 15 years old aren't you? Nice description of yourself btw.
Redbaron011 2 years ago