@komachi275 Perhaps. But it isn't technically an EMU. The dutch have two terms. (english does not) 'treinstel' - Which is an MU (Emu or DMU), and 'treinstam', which is a train that almost always operates as a fixed unit, (like the ICE 1), but is actually a set of independent carriages and locomotives..An EMU has components distributed along the whole train. Which the ICE 1 does not. The power cars can operate by themselves, and the carriages don't contain any power equipment.
@KuraIthys I think it has some ambiguous parts in Def. of Multiple Unit becaus the "Power Car" of the ICE1 (Class 401) could not be used in other way. However, the Railjet(ES64U2) could. Beside, the trailer could not be hauled by any other locomotive, either. Although ICE1 is not in distributed mode, there are still many Multiple Units which have only one power car in a train set. Such as Taiwan Railway's EMU 100(1M4T)
@komachi275 Well, I wouldn't be too sure about that. When they were being tested, there were no trailers for it yet. They did tests using standard German IC coaches. The trailers have scharfenberg couplers, where many EMU's can't really be uncoupled at all without specialised equipment. The ICE power cars were also used with TGV duplex coaches for a while for a marketing attempt in Taiwan. It's clearly not that difficult to use them with other carriages. It's just not common.
@KuraIthys Although the EuroTrain mixed the 402 power cars and the trailer of TGV Duplex, many equeptment did not connect well at that time. Such as Electropneumatic braking systems did not work then. Besides, the ICE-S, the test cars of ICE 3 was also based on ICE 2's powercar and powered middle coach which used on ICE 3 after that. I think there is not a "gap" between Multiple Unite and Push Pull mode train. For example, Japanese Shinkansen 400 Series also put on a trailer in original MUs
@komachi275 Obviously, the power cars and trailers are matched sets. But they still have more in common with locomotive hauled trains than with what was traditionally an MU. The closest relations of the ICE 1 power car are the class 101 and 120 locomotives, rather than the ICE 3. Also, the British class 43 HST is similar to an ICE in arrangement, but isn't considered a DMU. It's mark 3 coaches are special, but versions with minor changes were used with locomotives.
@KuraIthys Also consider the dutch trains, where there ARE two terms. Even though they look very similar in practice, the ICM 'koploper' is considered a 'treinstel' (EMU), while the doubledeck VIRM is designed as a 'treinstam', because maintenance can be done on individual carriages, but in practice it's used as an EMU. This implies the meaning of this additional type 'treinstam', is whether or not individual trailers are ever considered independent of the train they're part of...
@KuraIthys I agree, but HST has ever classified in DMU 253, too. Besides, Taiwan Railway use locomotive to haul some DMU's trailers becaus the power cars of that was too old to use. I think the train can be something just up to how to use. =D
@komachi275 True. I was reminded of the XPT in Australia... It's based on the HST, but with modifications for hot weather & dust, and different carriages. But... Mainly I remember a comment about how they changed it from it's initial design with an 8 speed throttle to one with 5 speeds to make it incompatible with normal locomotives... They were scared it'd end up pulling freight trains... XD
@MrMcLaren1 Der soll Anfang 2013 in Betrieb kommen. Tip: Er macht sehr oft Auf der SFS Hannover-Würzburg Testfahrten :) Ich hoffe, dir geholfen zu haben.
Ja danke das hast Du. Ich hoffe, er wird einige Jahre später nicht durch den ICx ersetzt so wie die 1 und 2er Züge bald gehen werden... Das wäre schade um den neuen Superzug ...
Ja er ist so schön melodisch und hat sogar noch wie der 2er ein Bord Restaurant.
Leider übertönen sehr viele Lüfter den Sound. Vom Komfort her werden wir sehr starke Einbußen (ICx) machen müssen, außer bei den 3er Generationen,leider...
Exellent vid, but I wish back the old Interregios and the even older D-Züge. In those good old times German Rail had an advertising saying "we operate in every weather". Today, these higly advanced hiigh-speed-trains can't deal with weather at all. ^^
@N199UA They are so far superior that no one outside of asia uses them ;-) Whereas the Siemens Velaro (ICE 3 etc.) is used in Spain, Germany, Russia, China, soon by Eurostar (France + UK) and possibly elsewhere in the future (maybe the US)
@Lintflas The Chinese already copied the ICE and Shinkansen into their own built high speed train. And yeah of course they couldnt do it right, as you can see the result (the crash!) here on youtube. /watch?v=BfGZP1H_FGo
Legal o trem alemão.......mas aqui no Brasil tambem temos trens expressos...."O expresso Leste" da CPTM que liga a estação da Luz ao bairro modelo de guaianazes ( conhecido também pelos moradores como "guaianais"....
Trens modernos, super conservados e passageiros educados que zelam pela cidade e pelos transportes viajam nestes trens a 90Km/h todos os dias...
Gut gemacht! Würde gerne auch öfter ICE fahren, aber als Raucher? ...
pelle9114 9 hours ago
similar to delhi metro.
satishks777 4 days ago
i've been to frankfurt airport....super awesome :)
Emo1Skulls 6 days ago
Der ICE1 bei 5:00 hat keinen streifen an der bugklappe
ilidiesel 1 week ago
1:59 i have the same ICE on my HO railroad model )
Hoshikani 3 weeks ago
Why is the train so high pitched noisy?
7olusegun 1 month ago
The ICE 1 is also classfied EMUs Class 401, then ICE 3 is Class 403.
komachi275 1 month ago
@komachi275 Perhaps. But it isn't technically an EMU. The dutch have two terms. (english does not) 'treinstel' - Which is an MU (Emu or DMU), and 'treinstam', which is a train that almost always operates as a fixed unit, (like the ICE 1), but is actually a set of independent carriages and locomotives..An EMU has components distributed along the whole train. Which the ICE 1 does not. The power cars can operate by themselves, and the carriages don't contain any power equipment.
KuraIthys 1 month ago
@KuraIthys I think it has some ambiguous parts in Def. of Multiple Unit becaus the "Power Car" of the ICE1 (Class 401) could not be used in other way. However, the Railjet(ES64U2) could. Beside, the trailer could not be hauled by any other locomotive, either. Although ICE1 is not in distributed mode, there are still many Multiple Units which have only one power car in a train set. Such as Taiwan Railway's EMU 100(1M4T)
komachi275 1 month ago
@komachi275 Well, I wouldn't be too sure about that. When they were being tested, there were no trailers for it yet. They did tests using standard German IC coaches. The trailers have scharfenberg couplers, where many EMU's can't really be uncoupled at all without specialised equipment. The ICE power cars were also used with TGV duplex coaches for a while for a marketing attempt in Taiwan. It's clearly not that difficult to use them with other carriages. It's just not common.
KuraIthys 1 month ago
@KuraIthys Although the EuroTrain mixed the 402 power cars and the trailer of TGV Duplex, many equeptment did not connect well at that time. Such as Electropneumatic braking systems did not work then. Besides, the ICE-S, the test cars of ICE 3 was also based on ICE 2's powercar and powered middle coach which used on ICE 3 after that. I think there is not a "gap" between Multiple Unite and Push Pull mode train. For example, Japanese Shinkansen 400 Series also put on a trailer in original MUs
komachi275 1 month ago
@komachi275 Obviously, the power cars and trailers are matched sets. But they still have more in common with locomotive hauled trains than with what was traditionally an MU. The closest relations of the ICE 1 power car are the class 101 and 120 locomotives, rather than the ICE 3. Also, the British class 43 HST is similar to an ICE in arrangement, but isn't considered a DMU. It's mark 3 coaches are special, but versions with minor changes were used with locomotives.
KuraIthys 1 month ago
@KuraIthys Also consider the dutch trains, where there ARE two terms. Even though they look very similar in practice, the ICM 'koploper' is considered a 'treinstel' (EMU), while the doubledeck VIRM is designed as a 'treinstam', because maintenance can be done on individual carriages, but in practice it's used as an EMU. This implies the meaning of this additional type 'treinstam', is whether or not individual trailers are ever considered independent of the train they're part of...
KuraIthys 1 month ago
@KuraIthys I agree, but HST has ever classified in DMU 253, too. Besides, Taiwan Railway use locomotive to haul some DMU's trailers becaus the power cars of that was too old to use. I think the train can be something just up to how to use. =D
komachi275 1 month ago
@komachi275 True. I was reminded of the XPT in Australia... It's based on the HST, but with modifications for hot weather & dust, and different carriages. But... Mainly I remember a comment about how they changed it from it's initial design with an 8 speed throttle to one with 5 speeds to make it incompatible with normal locomotives... They were scared it'd end up pulling freight trains... XD
KuraIthys 1 month ago
@KuraIthys It's funny. XD
komachi275 1 month ago
3 people don't like trains
ThExVictom 1 month ago
SEHR GEEHRTE FAHRGÄSTE VERPISST EUCH AUS DEUTSCHLAND WIR WOLLEN HIER KEINE FREMDEN ES IST UNS ZU ENG
integral844 1 month ago
Sehr gutes Video bin auch ICE Fan. Weißt du, ob der Velaro D schon im Regelbetrieb ist (die ersten Züge)?
MrMcLaren1 2 months ago
@MrMcLaren1 Der soll Anfang 2013 in Betrieb kommen. Tip: Er macht sehr oft Auf der SFS Hannover-Würzburg Testfahrten :) Ich hoffe, dir geholfen zu haben.
MultiModellbahner 2 months ago
@MultiModellbahner
Ja danke das hast Du. Ich hoffe, er wird einige Jahre später nicht durch den ICx ersetzt so wie die 1 und 2er Züge bald gehen werden... Das wäre schade um den neuen Superzug ...
MrMcLaren1 2 months ago
@MrMcLaren1 ...wobei es auch Schade ist, dass die 1er und 2er durch den ICx ersetzt werden. Der 1er ist mein Lieblingstriebzug. :(
MultiModellbahner 2 months ago
@MultiModellbahner
Ja er ist so schön melodisch und hat sogar noch wie der 2er ein Bord Restaurant.
Leider übertönen sehr viele Lüfter den Sound. Vom Komfort her werden wir sehr starke Einbußen (ICx) machen müssen, außer bei den 3er Generationen,leider...
MrMcLaren1 2 months ago
Bahnvideo vom Feinsten! Gestochen scharf!
Habs erst heute entdeckt!
5*+
railborne 2 months ago
Exellent vid, but I wish back the old Interregios and the even older D-Züge. In those good old times German Rail had an advertising saying "we operate in every weather". Today, these higly advanced hiigh-speed-trains can't deal with weather at all. ^^
5mnz7fg 2 months ago
Ich hab mal ne frage weißt du wie viele ICEs täglich hier halten
SimuCel 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
like like like:)
Rosshhu 3 months ago
..nach der Einfahrt ist der 1. Wagen schon in Köln ;)
ich000001 4 months ago
Eh! No close ups on our ICEs! Japanese and Chinese possibly watch and copy it! ^.^
Lintflas 4 months ago 14
@Lintflas The Chinese ... maybe. The Japanese ... nah. Their Shinkansen trains are far superior.
N199UA 4 months ago 9
@N199UA
probably based on German engineering as almost everything else they developed ...
Lintflas 4 months ago
@N199UA They are so far superior that no one outside of asia uses them ;-) Whereas the Siemens Velaro (ICE 3 etc.) is used in Spain, Germany, Russia, China, soon by Eurostar (France + UK) and possibly elsewhere in the future (maybe the US)
llmorbvsll 3 months ago
@Lintflas The Chinese already copied the ICE and Shinkansen into their own built high speed train. And yeah of course they couldnt do it right, as you can see the result (the crash!) here on youtube. /watch?v=BfGZP1H_FGo
conhopper78 3 months ago
@Lintflas the first HSR ever built was the Shinkansen dumbass. The Japanese invented the bullet train.
thequake180 1 week ago
@thequake180
I guess you didn't realise that my comment was just a joke, related to the fact that usually Asians copied a lot of stuff from Germany.
Lintflas 6 days ago
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oOBubbleStreamOo 6 days ago
You should show more of the intermodal transfer activity between the planes and trains. I'm curious to see people moving from one to the other.
CommunityBuildersSB 5 months ago
wonderful Clip!
5 Stars* and more for you!
perfect!
Knobiwurscht 5 months ago
Love these trains , great to see .
hovermotion 7 months ago
@hovermotion Thank you for your kind words.
N199UA 7 months ago
German: Haben sie das Video mit der Flip Ultra HD Aufgenommen? - ENGLISH: they have the video taken with the flip ultra hd?
mullizei 11 months ago
@mullizei Ja.
N199UA 11 months ago
Nice Video
MAST3RPROJ3CT 1 year ago
Legal o trem alemão.......mas aqui no Brasil tambem temos trens expressos...."O expresso Leste" da CPTM que liga a estação da Luz ao bairro modelo de guaianazes ( conhecido também pelos moradores como "guaianais"....
Trens modernos, super conservados e passageiros educados que zelam pela cidade e pelos transportes viajam nestes trens a 90Km/h todos os dias...
VIctuszaphae 1 year ago
@VIctuszaphae
Qual a comparação de um ICE de 320km/h com um Expresso Leste que vai a 90km/h??????
gius2ravs 1 year ago
putz...que pergunta idiota!
nem li...
VIctuszaphae 1 year ago
i like it. I have the same fetish;)
justanotherfreak2008 1 year ago