I must admit I'm prone to the sharp shooter method and I need to keep myself aware of it. It mostly comes from impatience, my brain wants an answer right away so I'll use my current knowledge to find a likely answer but luckily I'm the kind of person that needs to back it up, so it'll plague my mind until I do, cause I feel hmm sounds right but I'm just not comfortable fully accepting until I look into it.
@SnatchesofPink you state 'Yes you have evidence you're a moron! The fact of the matter is you cannot disprove God exists.'
And you can't prove Allah doesn't exist, or Zeus, or Ra, or Yetti's, or the loch ness monster. If you are the making a claim, then you prove what you are saying to be true. Stop trying to shift the burden of proof.
@SnatchesofPink Can you prove God does exist? See if you believed everything that was not disproved than people would believe in unicorns, fairies, and gigantic space bugs.
Why do we not believe in these things? Because they have not been proven.
@SnatchesofPink Why would you believe ANYTHING without proof or evidence. I believe in living, enjoying the beauty of this world. I believe in loving my friends and family, and I have empathy for all mankind. And most important I believe in learning about the reality of this existence.
What I don't do is believe anything on faith alone. Someone may have faith that fairies cause the flowers in their garden to bloom, is that the truth? Faith is not a path to the truth.
Funny thing is there's still a $250,000 reward to prove evolution! However, the fact is that it's a bogus resentment to the living God who can be known through Jesus Christ; not Joseph Smith. Anyways, just wanted to clarify this and thank you Atheists' for giving me yet another good laugh :-)
@jqologist And that reward will never get paid! There has been mountains of evidence for evolution that was shown to I believe Kent Hovind who offered that reward and what did he do, he lied and quote mined his way out of it. Religious cowards will still deny evolution even if they saw it in action. And that action takes place every second of everyday.
Evolution works on the same principal as breeding cats, dogs, horses, and cattle. The difference is there's no one directing the process. And that "reward" is just evidence creationists have nothing constructive to offer mankind.
@jqologist You are aware that science doesn't try to prove anything right?
It looks at a question and gives the best answer based on the current information.
If evolution is so bogus as you think it is, why is it taught as fact across all the universities across the world. Why do evolutionary biologist use the theory to develop medicines, why do engineers also use it in design.
@TheHinduLoveGods 'Andy Delbridge from NC was healed without surgery because He believed in his healing thru prayers.'
That is simply not true, I did "check it out". Quote: "Delbridge underwent surgery, radiation and painful chemotherapy. And while putting his trust in doctors he also put his faith in God."
And that right there is the problem with anecdotal evidence and why it is not reliable!!!
@TheHinduLoveGods Funny how these faith healing claims never occur with a mentally challenged child or amputee that would be easy to verify its a miracle. It's always some disease like cancer that is known to go into remission.
If god manifests in this reality in such a way as faith healing, prophetic prophecy etc. it should be tested and verifiable in a scientific way.
In fact every study ever done on supernatural claims only produce results we would expect by chance.
FOR EXAMPLE THE EVOLUTION THEORY MAKE NO SENSE AND HAS NO EVIDENCE , BASED ON EVER CHANGING PREDICTIONS. A HUMAN FROM A ROCK , GIVE ME A BREAK HAHAHA. now evolution is religion
People.. please research these people , they are uneducated
"FOR EXAMPLE THE EVOLUTION THEORY MAKE NO SENSE AND HAS NO EVIDENCE"
So ERVs, BDVs, fused chromosome #2, the fossil record, biogeographical distribution of species, comparative genomics, comparative anatomy, comparative proteomics, computational genomics, computational biology, the fact it yields accurate predictions, and the fact that we've observed it directly (look up "observed instances of speciation" in google) don't count as evidence?
Chemical evolution has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Chemical evolution you *might* consider to be part of abiogensis, but certainly not evolution.
"the process of evolving life from no life (ULTIMATLEY DIRT TO HUMAN OVER 20 BILLION YEARS)"
You keep saying this, but no one ever claimed we came from dirt. That's distinctly a Biblical claim about how God made humans. And the universe is 13.72 billion years old, so why are you claiming "over 20 billion years?"
@KemaTheAtheist First it is 18 to 19 billion years as per latest predictions based on the calculations related to the planetary evolution (forming) to be exact. life at 4.6 billion.
as per cosmic theory the size of the matter was predicted to be 2 trillion miles in diameter that exploded, all the way down to a trilionth of a proton in diameter that did not explode. this is science from early 70's till now.
so this trillionth of a proton that didnt explode created the universe?
"First it is 18 to 19 billion years as per latest predictions based on the calculations related to the planetary evolution (forming) to be exact. life at 4.6 billion."
WTF are you babbling about?
The universe is 13.72 billion years old. The earth is ~4.5 billion. Life started ~3.5 billion years ago, and multicellular life started ~2.5 billion years ago.
WTF are you talkin about 18-19 billions years for anything when the universe is only 13.72 billion?
"as per cosmic theory the size of the matter was predicted to be 2 trillion miles in diameter that exploded, all the way down to a trilionth of a proton in diameter that did not explode. this is science from early 70's till now. so this trillionth of a proton that didnt explode created the universe?"
This is some of the most nonsensical babbling I've ever heard.
"so a "masters" like you should know that this means it has not been proven"
No. "Theory" means that it is a model based on FACTS which yield accurate predictions about the phenomena it describes. For example, the fused chromosome #2 was found because of a prediction that we'd find it in the human genome based on information of comparative genomics. It's a dead ringer that we have a common ancestor with the "great" apes of today.
Plus, what part don't you understand about "we have observed it directly?"
Nylonase bacteria, HeLa cells, and tons of other instances we have observed evolution happen directly. Just put "observed instances of speciation" into google.
@KemaTheAtheist No this based on conditions that could not conform for example:- in order for this to work (produce amino) you must exclude oxygen and UV light. This is impossible because if there was no oxygen there couldn't have been an ozone layer and therefore the UV light from the sun wouldn't have allowed this process to occur.
in addition to this with the exclusion of oxygen and UV still resulted with tar and poison at 98%
That's fine. There was very little oxygen that was gas on earth when the amino acids would have formed, and UV only penetrates so far into water, so where the oxygen molecule and UV would have been damaging, they weren't present.
"in addition to this with the exclusion of oxygen and UV still resulted with tar and poison at 98%"
Tar requires organic materials like pine or peat, so how can tar form if organic compounds can't?
@KemaTheAtheist WOW so you admit there was some oxygen. then i ask you this, the big bang had only created hydrogen and helium...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 105 ELEMENTS OF THE PERIODIC TABLE
for example steel Fe and Copper Cu, considering there was no trees to create oxygen
"WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 105 ELEMENTS OF THE PERIODIC TABLE"
They formed in other stars first.
"for example steel Fe and Copper Cu, considering there was no trees to create oxygen"
ROFL. Trees don't create the element. They have a process which uses carbon dioxide as one of its reactants and breaks down the molecule into carbon and *oxygen.*
To MAKE the element requires a nuclear furnace in a star.
@KemaTheAtheist you said there was water. so hydrogen and oxygen were there. if elements formed in other stars, then how did they relocate to earth. did they fly ROFL and where did they form from ? and where did this matter come from?
Its funny how you think that a tree making oxygen is a joke (although you are right) BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ELEMENTS MADE LIFE SO OXYGEN MADE THE TREE (hypothetically speaking)
"Look i asked the questions and you contradicted your self many times."
No. You only think I did because you are retarded... like thinking plants MAKE oxygen atoms instead of making oxygen molecules as a byproduct of a reaction that starts with oxygen in other compounds.
That's below high school level science, and you're arguing with someone with a Master's. The Dunning-Kruger effect. Look it up and realize that you're on the low end.
What part of evolution doesn't make sense? If you're well-suited to your environment, you will live longer and produce more offspring. If you aren't well suited, you'll die sooner and produce fewer offspring. Therefore, the gene pool will be populated with those best suited for their environments. They will pass on those genes to their offspring so that they are also better suited. How does that not make sense?
@tommiedepew1 Hey there why are you so upset? This comment, and a quick glance at the comments on your page lead me to believe you are upset and I'm wondering how can i help.
Man this has got to just eat up any Mormon who happens to see this that they turned that guy away from the light. Me? I'm really happy that they potentially saved the young man from a deeply unfulfilling and confused life. As he said, they really helped him out.
My Dad was telling me that his kid sister died at 4 years. He was at the mass looking around watching everyone crying and he decided right there at 7 years old that there can be no God that would do this to people, no way.
@TheSkepticChristian Don't you think an all-powerful God who wants people to have the truth would make sure that everyone has the same perspective on God? And how do you know that your perspective is the right perspective?
@TheSkepticChristian If you're just going to say that it's your opinion that God exists, and that the Bible is indicative of what he wants, that's fine. It's your personal experience against everyone else's. But you shouldn't expect to convert anyone else based on your own personal experience.
@TheSkepticChristian ;;god of love?!?!?!......BBAAAAhhahahahaha.,,If buddy raped and killed little boys...or...a priest and they repent and are saved heaven it is..buddy who helps with homeless. and gives everything of himself and is the most generous honest person but doesn't believe. that LOVING GOD.u spoke of will burn him forever...FOR..EVER!!! Just bc theres no evidence and if a god cared. give the evidence.he knows that would work but he chooses to withhold so the guy burnsU feel the love?
@screat Fucking shit man, go back to school. Seriously, learn some fucking grammar. Fifteen periods in a span of one sentence makes my head explode trying to comprehend your stupid illiterate ass.
I am pretty sure you won't understand what I just typed there, so I translated it for you: "gow lern yous sum gramer"
@66gt40lm WOW!!!u sure got me good..well guess you win.. Its the fucking internet u fuck,I'm not writing a business letter to you so WHO.....THE....FUCK....GIVES...A...FUCK!!!!! you snapper head
@screat It might be the internet, but we'd still like the ability to read your stupid remarks without having to take asprin afterwards. I mean, it's actually really difficult to understand the point you are trying to make. If you want to make a point to argue over the internet, at least make it legible. Fucking inbred illiterate fucktard.
@66gt40lm well if you can't decipher that just bc of a few extra periods and spaces,,then who's the tard..i believe the theist is the tard in this case.
Go to mormon.org and invite the missionaries, if you are truly looking for answers.
But of course this pale blue dot is going to be important to God. God is a God of love, and he loves earth, and he loves all the beings in other planets that he has created.
@TheSkepticChristian You havent answered anything about your god.. Look back and see my questions about god... And all this arguement has nothing to do with an infinite or finite universe.... Nothing can ''Reach infinity''... The phrase REACHING INFINITY makes NO SENSE.. ALso, IF you say the universe is infinite then your ''god'' cannot ''live'' beyond infnnite.. Again makes no sense by definition.. Get back to our little GOD topic here..
@TheSkepticChristian lol Heard the same thing from Hindus to visit their websites. And christians theirs.. I dont see how this is any different except in-coprerating new ways to explain your gods..(Which all fail in the end..).. But thanks ill look at it..
@Vikramthewhite we all have the same God. He has revealed portions of truth to the Hindus, to scientists (even to atheists), to Muslims, he has inspired good.
@Vikramthewhite I already gave you the source, where to go, if you are looking for answers/evidence mormon.org
Well God loves you, and he wants you to do good. A Hindu has a portion of truth, the ancient civilizations have figured out and realized, that their is something out there. A higher power.
God is a God of love, and Jesus wants the Hindu to do good. Their is no such thing as a literal hell. Hell is being away from the presence of God.
@TheSkepticChristian Nice motives. But tell that to the victims of the holocaust. If there is a god , he leaves it to the strongest and fails to intervene on behalf of the faithful.
@jezmundberserker Is better... the Jews had an armband with the David Star. Both, germans and jews, with their religious symbols, had a sad end. They winners were the atheist Red Army. Gods wanted that?
@spanier24: Some religious nutjob would probably say yes. With an excuse like: he wanted to teach his own people a lesson. They always have an answer and no matter how cruel their god seems, he's always good and "works in mysterious ways."
" the start of inflation and the Big Bang and has nothing to do with whether or not the Universe is spatially infinite. It does determine how much of the Universe we can see." - NASA
Problem with proving prayer is there's no way to go back in time and see if it would have happened whether that person prayed or not. It could very well just be a coincidence. About the only way to prove it would be if it defeats the odds multiple times or if it's something that is not only scientifically impossible it is also proven beyond reasonable doubt.
@TheSkepticChristian I never said it can't be true. It very well could be. But it does need to be proven as it has been proven that people believe things happened that really didn't and that there are people that will lie. They may be telling the truth but in order to convince somebody else they are going to need to prove it. Like if I did see somebody commit a crime, I may know they did it, but in order for people to be convince I would need proof of it.
@TheSkepticChristian Personal evidence isn't even always enough like I said previously as people have been wrong many times about what they were sure was true. People have misidentified culprits, thought another culprit was there that wasn't, or thought the person that did it couldn't possibly have done it. So even if I'm sure it's right that doesn't necessarily mean I am. Many times people are wrong about what they think is right. People often see what they want to see.
@TheSkepticChristian That's actually the reason why nothing in science is ever 100% proven because everything could be an illusion. You don't have to be not mentally healthy to be wrong about personal experience. Many people who are wrong about what they believe is right are mentally healthy. Like in many police reports you'll have witnesses that swear something happened but then it's later proven wrong even though they weren't lying. Anyone can get things wrong no matter what.
At 2:25, Don says "The lack of evidence for something is not evidence for something else." Isn't this contradictory to many atheist claims that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence?"
@Diognetus I don't care if some atheists say otherwise because it is only those specific people making that argument. It's not some atheist doctrine because there are no atheist doctrines. Those people may make that claim, so how does that represent any other atheist or anybody else?
It doesn't and I never said it did. I'm only asking of Don's pronouncement that "The lack of evidence for something is not evidence for something else." is contrary to (a rather common atheist claim) that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence." Look it up on iron chariots or check youtube. It may not be an atheist dogma, but it is nevertheless a common argument.
@Diognetus When Don says "something else" he's talking about some other hypothesis entirely (i.e., that God gave him that feeling). It has nothing to do with the "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" thing.
to this, saying lack of evidence for 1 thing is not evidence for another is not contrary to "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. because the latter is saying no evidence for the christian god doesn't mean he doesn't exist, while the former is saying, no evidence for the Christian god doesn't prove the muslim god exists.
@TheSkepticChristian You've got it backwards. You need proof of the supernatural, not proof of the natural. Supernature consists of anything that contradicts our current understanding of the physical laws of the universe. If there isn't a really good reason to believe that the physical laws of the universe have been broken, then you should assume it's a natural occurrence.
@valsyrie supernatural does not necessarily have to break the laws of nature. The laws of nature may in fact be the power of God. God works using the laws of nature. Supernatural can also be divine, and above science and nature.
So would you rather believe that all reality just has a natural explanation??? Any evidence?
Science does not answer why the laws of nature exist
Knowing the 4% of the universe (let alone multiverse), is not evidence.
@TheSkepticChristian You don't seem to understand what supernatural means… By definition, "supernatural" means "attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature". If God uses the laws of physics to do something, that would still be supernatural because a supernatural being (God) intervened in reality and caused the event to occur. You don't need to prove that everything has a natural explanation. You need to that something doesn't. It's called Occam's razor.
1. What does it even mean that "the laws of nature are the power of God"?
2. Why do you keep saying that science can't explain 96% of the universe? I don't know where you're getting that statistic, and even if it were true, I don't know how it's relevant.
3. We have no evidence for any supernatural phenomena, so it takes more new assumptions to think that any supernatural events could occur. This violates Occam's razor, by definition.
@valsyrie 1) God has always control the forces of the universe, his power
2) Visit any scientific website, we can't yet explain the 96% of this universe. The laws of nature may not apply to other universes, and science does not explain why they exist in this universe.
3) How do you know we have no evidence? Isn't supernatural unexplained by science? There are many things unexplained by science even in the 4% of our universe.
Do you have faith that all reality has a natural explanation??
1. "God has always controlled the forces of the universe" That's a bald assertion…
2. I don't know what you mean by "explain" 96% of the universe.
3. Do you have any evidence? And no, supernatural doesn't mean "unexplained", it's something that breaks the laws of physics. And if there's something unexplained, that doesn't mean that you can say, "The magic man in the sky did it!" That's an argument from ignorance. If you actually watched the video, you'd know that.
@valsyrie 1) Supernatural does not have to break the laws of nature.
2) Dark Matter/Energy.
3) Do you have any evidence that all reality has a natural explanation?? I agree that "unexplained" does not have to be supernatural, but supernatural is always unexplained.
Well it doesn't mean that nature "did it". I think the Big Bang does have a natural explanation, and I agree that we must continue our scientific research, but you have faith that all reality has a natural explanation.
1. Yes, in fact it does. Look it up in a dictionary.
2. Well, isn't that a really misleading thing to say. It would be more accurate to say, "We haven't agreed on an explanation for 96% of the *mass* in the universe."
3. I don't need evidence that all reality has a natural explanation; I have no reason to believe otherwise. Please give me a reason to believe otherwise.
@chaoszie That's not fair and open minded agnosticism, that's positive atheism. How do you know that dark energy is not supernatural/
science cannot explain the 96% of this universe (Natural or not, science has no idea what dark energy is, and its a surprise).
No reasonable expectation to believe that all reality has a natural explanation. We just know a very tiny faction of reality, compared to the infinite multiverse or global universe.
3) how do you know that supernatural doesn't exist?
I don't know it isn't supernatural but I have zero reason to think it does.
Again, who gives a fuck? how much of the universe science current can or cannot explain is irrelevant. That doesn't mean it can't be explained, wont be explained, or lends any credence to supernatural claims. It's pointless to bring it up.
As has been explained before, until something is shown to exist, there's no reason to think it exists. Supernatural has never been shown to exist.
@chaoszieg If you are in a Forrest, and if you assume that everything on earth is natural, you would be mistaken. Their are cars, for example.
So it is irrelevant to assume that all reality has a natural explanation, especially if we can only explain a tiny fraction, I find no reason now start having faith that all reality has a natural explanation.
I am a Theist, but fair and open minded agnosticism, is better than Positive Atheism.
No its irrelevant to assume it doesn't. Everything we see in nature that we can explain has a natural explanation. from tree, to dirt to planets to stars. If everything in nature thus far has a natural explanation it's stupid to think otherwise.
Open minded goes with positive atheism. Agnosticism is for morons.
If someone claims pink invisible fairies live inside jupiter, you don't have to say "well can't prove they aint so I'm open minded agnostic about them
Until you can show evidence of somethings existence, or reason to believe a supernatural cause is in anyway valid, there's no reason to believe in them, and saying "Well I'm agnostic" is the same as saying "Well I'm retarded."
Your cases don't get special exemptions other claims don't.
@chaoszieg "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid." -- Carl Sagan
Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence in certain cases.
Fairies probably don't exist because the laws of nature won't allow them. Being above the laws of nature, demands omnipotence.
So its not the same case with an omnipotent being.
You have No evidence that all reality has a natural explanation.
Knowing there is a god and knowing there isn't would be equal statements of Knowledge so Sagan's wrong right of the bat. Secondly a theist has to know more because they claim to know what god thinks and wants, so Sagan's wrong again.
Finally any atheist, no matter how positive, is not making a declaration of absolute certainty or knowledge as a theist does, and will accept being wrong. a theist will not. So Sagan fails on every single note.
as for your "start having faith" bit, you just sound retarded when you say that.
When 100% of everything we've been able to explain has a natural explanation only a fucking moron would think there will be a "supernatural explanation." We know the cause of thousands and thousands of things, so far not a single supernatural one, and all supernatural claims have been proven false.
You're a dumb ass to think it takes "faith" to go with all the evidence.
@TheSkepticChristian There is a pattern in history of human beings.. People thought the earth was flat until science proved them wrong. People once thought ightning and tornadoes were signs of gods anger - Science explained thats not the case. People once thought volcanoes was the sign of an angry god-Science proved its not.. Just because science doesnt have the answer NOW doesnt mean its god. Even IFFFFF it was god, you still have to prove its a christian god.
@TheSkepticChristian 96% of our universe is not dark matter and energy.. And when you say energy, science has done a VERY good job explaining energy and its types and functions and so on.. The infinite outside is what science is trying to explain.. Give it time. And what personal Evidence ? Give me an example.. Im a skeptic, i dont believe ANYONE by just listening to them. I research and observe. Id rather listen to a scientist than a pastor if you know what i mean..2 B Cont
@Vikramthewhite 96% of the universe is made of Dark matter and Energy, check any scientific website, like Nat Geo or NASA. However, science has no idea what's dark energy, we just know its there.
Science won't explain the infinity outside our observable universe, their will always be a limit to science.
That's why you should only follow the personal experience that invites to do good.
God is the source of all good, and he reveals portions of truths to humanity.
@TheSkepticChristian Saying that science WONT know is wrong. Thousand years from now, science will know a 100x more than what it knows now. Science will NEVER have a dead end. That limit keeps breaking everytime we discover something new. Personal experiences is subjective thus cannot be taken as evidence. Before we go furthur in this, are you a Christian ?
@Vikramthewhite I agree that we should keep investigating, and try solve mysteries. I agree that we should continue our scientific research, like trying to detect other universes somehow. Don't misunderstand me, but science always has its limits, it will never reach infinity.
Also, you are assuming that we will solve all mysteries.
Personal experiences that leads people to do good, can lead to miracles and blessings.
Just visit that website, that the guy was talking about mormon.org
@TheSkepticChristian Okay, you are a mormon.. Back to topic.. INFINITY is a concept. Just because we dont know where our knowledge will end, doesnt mean that its infinity. Personal experiences mean NOTHING because there is more than 1 religion. People in HINDUISM believe in several gods. I have a friend who claims that he had experienced the god Ganesh. Some have said they experienced other gods. How is YOU god any true ? Coz your book says so ? They have books too..
@Vikramthewhite I meant that science will never reach the infinity. Our universe or multiverse is infinite. Our universe continues outside our space and time. It wouldn't make sense that reality is finite, and their is no evidence that it is. I will keep progressing, but will never reach the infinity, and it may or may not solve some current problems in physics.
@TheSkepticChristian The universe is not infinite.. It started from a singularity so its definitely not infinite.. Its an expanding universe. The word ''Continue'' doesnt make any sense without the time factor.. Ill say again, just because we dont know the ending doesnt make it infinite(In your terms).. Infinite is MERELY a CONCEPT used to describe an unknown ending... ALso, you havent answered any of my questions. Pleaes do so..
@Vikramthewhite Okay, let me explain. When scientists say that the universe started at a singularity, they mean our local universe, they mean matter and negative matter. No one can make a scientific statement before the plank time. Their is no scientific evidence that the universe had an absolute beginning. In fact many physicist believe in multiple unvierse outside our local universe (outside our space and time), and that would be called our global universe
@TheSkepticChristian Yes i am aware of Multi-verse theory. I dont know what that has to do with this discussion. Im aksing you to provide evidence for your father god.. The god of the bible in particular since that is what you are harping about.. There is no evidence YET!!!.. That doesnt mean there will NEVER be an evidence in the future. You are drifting away from this topic here.. Answer my questions i asked you...
@Vikramthewhite "I dont know what that has to do with this discussion"
well you stated that the universe is not infinite, but their is no evidence that is it finite.
Again, science will never reach infinity (the universe is infinite), and it may or may not solve the current problems in physics, but you assumed it will
Well, find your personal evidence to know that God exist. Its the same God of all humanity
I take my personal evidence as real, just as I take that reality is not an illusion
@TheSkepticChristian If our universe started from a singularity (Big bang), then our universe is finite. The word ''Infinite'' is used when the measurement (In this case) or distance of the universe isnt certain. Unknown. They also say that the universe is still expanding so we cannot measure the size (For now). THUS they say its infinite.. ''Reality is not an illusion''.. That statement is quiet obvious since we have no other example of reality that we can compare it with.
@Vikramthewhite You are confused with how scientists used words.
"The Universe was not concentrated into a point at the time of the Big Bang. But the observable Universe was concentrated into a point. The distinction between the whole Universe and the part of it that we can see is important."
astro ucla edu/~wright/infpoint html
"inflation and the Big Bang and has nothing to do with whether or not the Universe is spatially infinite" -- NASA
@TheSkepticChristian Whether or not the universe is infinite or finite is an ongoing debate. Im saying its not infinite because the universe is expanding. An infinity cannot expand into infinite. That doesnt make any sense BY DEFINITION.. Also, if the univer is expanding then it had a point of expansion. The big bang theory. Thus saying that the universe is infinite makes no sense. Infinite is merely a concept and not a UNIT or measurement..
@Vikramthewhite Again, its our observable universe that its expanding, NOT our global universe. Science does not state anything, outside our observable universe. Its our observable universe that has a limit and that started with the Big Bang. But the infinite universe did NOT start with the Big Bang.
Please do some research in the NASA website, or National Geographic.
and yes, science will never reach infinity and the universe is infinite.
@TheSkepticChristian Can you prove that the god of the bible exists? Also, tell me.. Why did you god supposedly ''Create'' this universe and only create this tiny spec of a blue planet where he created his ''beloved'' human beings ? Why such a big universe ? Coz your ''god'' works in mysterious ways ? lol.. Answer..
@TheSkepticChristian Cont.. How can you prove that YOUR religion and YOUR god is the true one ? Why isnt Hindu or Muslims true ? ALSO, so far in history science has never had a limitation. Just because it hasnt found a way to discover something doesnt mean its LIMITED at that. Thats a very silly way to go about things.
@Vikramthewhite God is the father of all, he has revealed portions of truth to Buddah, to Hindu, to Muslims, everything good comes from God.
Other people from other religions also have spiritual experiences that come from God.
So you should seek for you truth, you should seek personal evidence, and I invite you to visit mormon.org, and you can even read the testimonies of former atheists.
Science will keep progressing, but it will never reach infinity.
@TheSkepticChristian One again you assume that the god of the bible is the ultimate god which is kinda sickening. And no god didnt reveal himself to Buddha. In the bible, god says to stone all homo sexuals ? Why arent you doing that now ? Answer this question.. ''God'' Can mean anything.. What is a god. Define what you think a god is. You havent explained what person experience means either. ''Reaching infinity'' MAKES NO SENSE.. INFINITY IS A CONCEPT.. CONCEPT !!!!!!
@Vikramthewhite Many physicists believe that the universe is infinite.
Again, the Big Bang was not the absolute beginning, it was the beginning of our local universe (our space and time, of energy and space), not one can make a scientific statement before the planks time, and their is no evidence that our global universe is finite. (we could have multiverse).
I never said that God appeared to Buddha, I said that God inspired Buddah, and gave him a portion of truth.
@TheSkepticChristian More than 60% of the scientists (Giving you the benefit of the doubt) were not inspired by god, yet our world has a better understanding thanks to them. Inspiration doesnt prove theres a god.. Children are inspired by santa claus to do good things. Doesnt mean Santa exists... Ill repeat again. Physicists believe that universe is infinite is because they dont know its END.. YET.. Once they do, they will retract that belief of infinite..
If you have religious ,or any other supernatural 'beliefs' ,
you need to educate yourself or see a doctor
fekinel 1 day ago
This was filmed on my birthday
SolidCactus27 1 week ago
I must admit I'm prone to the sharp shooter method and I need to keep myself aware of it. It mostly comes from impatience, my brain wants an answer right away so I'll use my current knowledge to find a likely answer but luckily I'm the kind of person that needs to back it up, so it'll plague my mind until I do, cause I feel hmm sounds right but I'm just not comfortable fully accepting until I look into it.
guyverdio 1 week ago
So brainwashing and prayer both work and can be tested
SnatchesofPink 1 week ago
They may have just saved this kid a lot time, energy and money. That's awesome!
Codfert970 1 week ago
Yes you have evidence you're a moron! The fact of the matter is you cannot disprove God exists.
SnatchesofPink 1 week ago
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@SnatchesofPink you state 'Yes you have evidence you're a moron! The fact of the matter is you cannot disprove God exists.'
And you can't prove Allah doesn't exist, or Zeus, or Ra, or Yetti's, or the loch ness monster. If you are the making a claim, then you prove what you are saying to be true. Stop trying to shift the burden of proof.
spmcd2011 4 days ago
@SnatchesofPink Can you prove God does exist? See if you believed everything that was not disproved than people would believe in unicorns, fairies, and gigantic space bugs.
Why do we not believe in these things? Because they have not been proven.
moorg745 3 days ago
alluh akbar
PUSPUSinthaBUSHBUSH 2 weeks ago
@PUSPUSinthaBUSHBUSH harry potterus potteritus
daverowbotham 1 week ago
@SnatchesofPink of course not. its FANTASY.
Phx8ball602 2 weeks ago
Atheists don't believe anything! I bet they don't believe they were born without proof & evidence
SnatchesofPink 2 weeks ago
@SnatchesofPink Why would you believe ANYTHING without proof or evidence. I believe in living, enjoying the beauty of this world. I believe in loving my friends and family, and I have empathy for all mankind. And most important I believe in learning about the reality of this existence.
What I don't do is believe anything on faith alone. Someone may have faith that fairies cause the flowers in their garden to bloom, is that the truth? Faith is not a path to the truth.
oadnrtyo 2 weeks ago
@SnatchesofPink But we have that evidence you twerp, and that evidence can be verified easily by methods science has found out, DNA testing.
I've graded your post F for Fail ;).
daverowbotham 1 week ago
All these lame remarks! If you are seriously looking to find God it's not rocket science!
SnatchesofPink 2 weeks ago
@SnatchesofPink it's brainwashing
mrannen1958 1 week ago
Funny thing is there's still a $250,000 reward to prove evolution! However, the fact is that it's a bogus resentment to the living God who can be known through Jesus Christ; not Joseph Smith. Anyways, just wanted to clarify this and thank you Atheists' for giving me yet another good laugh :-)
jqologist 2 weeks ago
@jqologist there's a $1million reward to prove the existance of god.
ChaoticRupture 2 weeks ago
@jqologist And that reward will never get paid! There has been mountains of evidence for evolution that was shown to I believe Kent Hovind who offered that reward and what did he do, he lied and quote mined his way out of it. Religious cowards will still deny evolution even if they saw it in action. And that action takes place every second of everyday.
gateman42 2 weeks ago
@jqologist
Evolution works on the same principal as breeding cats, dogs, horses, and cattle. The difference is there's no one directing the process. And that "reward" is just evidence creationists have nothing constructive to offer mankind.
NUTCASE71733 2 weeks ago
@jqologist You are aware that science doesn't try to prove anything right?
It looks at a question and gives the best answer based on the current information.
If evolution is so bogus as you think it is, why is it taught as fact across all the universities across the world. Why do evolutionary biologist use the theory to develop medicines, why do engineers also use it in design.
spmcd2011 4 days ago
Thanks for having the volume high enough that I can hear it on my laptop. A lot of your videos I just skip because it's too low.
mrannen1958 3 weeks ago
WE ALL HAVE A PRIMAL INSTINCT
MyDivineTruth 3 weeks ago
INTUITION is not GOD
MyDivineTruth 3 weeks ago
@TheHinduLoveGods 'Andy Delbridge from NC was healed without surgery because He believed in his healing thru prayers.'
That is simply not true, I did "check it out". Quote: "Delbridge underwent surgery, radiation and painful chemotherapy. And while putting his trust in doctors he also put his faith in God."
And that right there is the problem with anecdotal evidence and why it is not reliable!!!
oadnrtyo 3 weeks ago
@TheHinduLoveGods Funny how these faith healing claims never occur with a mentally challenged child or amputee that would be easy to verify its a miracle. It's always some disease like cancer that is known to go into remission.
If god manifests in this reality in such a way as faith healing, prophetic prophecy etc. it should be tested and verifiable in a scientific way.
In fact every study ever done on supernatural claims only produce results we would expect by chance.
oadnrtyo 3 weeks ago
FOR EXAMPLE THE EVOLUTION THEORY MAKE NO SENSE AND HAS NO EVIDENCE , BASED ON EVER CHANGING PREDICTIONS. A HUMAN FROM A ROCK , GIVE ME A BREAK HAHAHA. now evolution is religion
People.. please research these people , they are uneducated
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
"FOR EXAMPLE THE EVOLUTION THEORY MAKE NO SENSE AND HAS NO EVIDENCE"
So ERVs, BDVs, fused chromosome #2, the fossil record, biogeographical distribution of species, comparative genomics, comparative anatomy, comparative proteomics, computational genomics, computational biology, the fact it yields accurate predictions, and the fact that we've observed it directly (look up "observed instances of speciation" in google) don't count as evidence?
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist Why are you complicating the simple.
evolution theory PART 3 - CHEMICAL EVOLUTION
the process of evolving life from no life (ULTIMATLEY DIRT TO HUMAN OVER 20 BILLION YEARS)
RESULT - NOT PROVEN
if you believe in evolution then you are a religious person
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
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@Ananomys2012
"Why are you complicating the simple."
Actually I simplified the very complicated.
"evolution theory PART 3 - CHEMICAL EVOLUTION"
Chemical evolution has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Chemical evolution you *might* consider to be part of abiogensis, but certainly not evolution.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
"the process of evolving life from no life (ULTIMATLEY DIRT TO HUMAN OVER 20 BILLION YEARS)"
You keep saying this, but no one ever claimed we came from dirt. That's distinctly a Biblical claim about how God made humans. And the universe is 13.72 billion years old, so why are you claiming "over 20 billion years?"
You know shit about science.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist First it is 18 to 19 billion years as per latest predictions based on the calculations related to the planetary evolution (forming) to be exact. life at 4.6 billion.
as per cosmic theory the size of the matter was predicted to be 2 trillion miles in diameter that exploded, all the way down to a trilionth of a proton in diameter that did not explode. this is science from early 70's till now.
so this trillionth of a proton that didnt explode created the universe?
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
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@Ananomys2012
"First it is 18 to 19 billion years as per latest predictions based on the calculations related to the planetary evolution (forming) to be exact. life at 4.6 billion."
WTF are you babbling about?
The universe is 13.72 billion years old. The earth is ~4.5 billion. Life started ~3.5 billion years ago, and multicellular life started ~2.5 billion years ago.
WTF are you talkin about 18-19 billions years for anything when the universe is only 13.72 billion?
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
"as per cosmic theory the size of the matter was predicted to be 2 trillion miles in diameter that exploded, all the way down to a trilionth of a proton in diameter that did not explode. this is science from early 70's till now. so this trillionth of a proton that didnt explode created the universe?"
This is some of the most nonsensical babbling I've ever heard.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist Iam sorry for the people that have to hear lies, the truth is corrupted because of people like you.
DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BABBLE
IT IS CALLED A THEORY AND REMAINS A THEORY ONLY. so a "masters" like you should know that this means it has not been proven
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
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@Ananomys2012
"so a "masters" like you should know that this means it has not been proven"
No. "Theory" means that it is a model based on FACTS which yield accurate predictions about the phenomena it describes. For example, the fused chromosome #2 was found because of a prediction that we'd find it in the human genome based on information of comparative genomics. It's a dead ringer that we have a common ancestor with the "great" apes of today.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
Plus, what part don't you understand about "we have observed it directly?"
Nylonase bacteria, HeLa cells, and tons of other instances we have observed evolution happen directly. Just put "observed instances of speciation" into google.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist No this based on conditions that could not conform for example:- in order for this to work (produce amino) you must exclude oxygen and UV light. This is impossible because if there was no oxygen there couldn't have been an ozone layer and therefore the UV light from the sun wouldn't have allowed this process to occur.
in addition to this with the exclusion of oxygen and UV still resulted with tar and poison at 98%
so again I am sorry to bring you to the truth
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
"you must exclude oxygen and UV light."
That's fine. There was very little oxygen that was gas on earth when the amino acids would have formed, and UV only penetrates so far into water, so where the oxygen molecule and UV would have been damaging, they weren't present.
"in addition to this with the exclusion of oxygen and UV still resulted with tar and poison at 98%"
Tar requires organic materials like pine or peat, so how can tar form if organic compounds can't?
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist WOW so you admit there was some oxygen. then i ask you this, the big bang had only created hydrogen and helium...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 105 ELEMENTS OF THE PERIODIC TABLE
for example steel Fe and Copper Cu, considering there was no trees to create oxygen
Ohh Kem you did all the hard work yourself
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
"WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 105 ELEMENTS OF THE PERIODIC TABLE"
They formed in other stars first.
"for example steel Fe and Copper Cu, considering there was no trees to create oxygen"
ROFL. Trees don't create the element. They have a process which uses carbon dioxide as one of its reactants and breaks down the molecule into carbon and *oxygen.*
To MAKE the element requires a nuclear furnace in a star.
ROFL.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist you said there was water. so hydrogen and oxygen were there. if elements formed in other stars, then how did they relocate to earth. did they fly ROFL and where did they form from ? and where did this matter come from?
Its funny how you think that a tree making oxygen is a joke (although you are right) BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ELEMENTS MADE LIFE SO OXYGEN MADE THE TREE (hypothetically speaking)
ROFL
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
"so again I am sorry to bring you to the truth"
And I'm sorry that you're an idiot that knows jack-shit about biology, chemistry, and science in general.
I'm done here.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist Look i asked the questions and you contradicted your self many times.
thankyou for your time
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
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@Ananomys2012
"Look i asked the questions and you contradicted your self many times."
No. You only think I did because you are retarded... like thinking plants MAKE oxygen atoms instead of making oxygen molecules as a byproduct of a reaction that starts with oxygen in other compounds.
That's below high school level science, and you're arguing with someone with a Master's. The Dunning-Kruger effect. Look it up and realize that you're on the low end.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
Okay. Now I'm done.
KemaTheAtheist 1 month ago
@KemaTheAtheist ooh sorry masters. look in simple terms
you believe you were once a rock, your purpose "fertiliser"
I believe i was created, and have a better purpose to life
We are both religious people regardless of your masters.
If you are a true atheist you would tell me that you wont believe in this theory until proven, same way you wont believe in god until he appears
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
@Ananomys2012
What part of evolution doesn't make sense? If you're well-suited to your environment, you will live longer and produce more offspring. If you aren't well suited, you'll die sooner and produce fewer offspring. Therefore, the gene pool will be populated with those best suited for their environments. They will pass on those genes to their offspring so that they are also better suited. How does that not make sense?
DrewLandcaster 3 weeks ago
Bullseye fallacy, nice I HATE THAT FALLACY!
GotZest 1 month ago
@tommiedepew1 Hey there why are you so upset? This comment, and a quick glance at the comments on your page lead me to believe you are upset and I'm wondering how can i help.
GotZest 1 month ago
Man this has got to just eat up any Mormon who happens to see this that they turned that guy away from the light. Me? I'm really happy that they potentially saved the young man from a deeply unfulfilling and confused life. As he said, they really helped him out.
reejis99 2 months ago
@OfMalta I understand science, and it's not a unscientific attitude to believe in divine revelation, because it has nothing to do with science.
Science cannot measure GOD, or test him in a lab.
Again, science has nothing to do with the divine but rather science tells us how the laws of nature behave, and how stuff works
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
My Dad was telling me that his kid sister died at 4 years. He was at the mass looking around watching everyone crying and he decided right there at 7 years old that there can be no God that would do this to people, no way.
thomask365 3 months ago
@thomask365 no we were once a rock
Ananomys2012 1 month ago
@OfMalta Skeptic does not mean atheist.
Skeptic is someone who is lead by the evidence. I am getting a BS in Physics in two years, and hopefully become an astronomer in the future
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
* the people in ancient civilizations
After all, people have a different perspective of God.
but its the same God of love
nice chatting with you
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Don't you think an all-powerful God who wants people to have the truth would make sure that everyone has the same perspective on God? And how do you know that your perspective is the right perspective?
valsyrie 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos 15
@valsyrie I am not concern about what other people experience.
God has revealed truth to me, and I just take it.
I am not worried about the personal evidence of people from other faiths.
God has me in this faith, then I stay here, and I accept it as truth I receive.
Its that simple.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian If you're just going to say that it's your opinion that God exists, and that the Bible is indicative of what he wants, that's fine. It's your personal experience against everyone else's. But you shouldn't expect to convert anyone else based on your own personal experience.
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@valsyrie I cannot convert no one.
That's why everyone is should be seeking spirituality, their own personal experience
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@valsyrie Nor, if he is not concerned about what other people think or experience, should he expect those people to care about what he thinks.
lewisner 1 week ago
@TheSkepticChristian Mars is not love. He is war! Now die!
tjhombs 2 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian ;;god of love?!?!?!......BBAAAAhhahahahaha.,,If buddy raped and killed little boys...or...a priest and they repent and are saved heaven it is..buddy who helps with homeless. and gives everything of himself and is the most generous honest person but doesn't believe. that LOVING GOD.u spoke of will burn him forever...FOR..EVER!!! Just bc theres no evidence and if a god cared. give the evidence.he knows that would work but he chooses to withhold so the guy burnsU feel the love?
screat 1 month ago
@screat I am not Evangelical, your criticism doesn't apply to my beliefs .
What kind of scientific evidence do you expect??
Do you have any evidence that all reality has a natural explanation??
TheSkepticChristian 1 month ago
@screat Fucking shit man, go back to school. Seriously, learn some fucking grammar. Fifteen periods in a span of one sentence makes my head explode trying to comprehend your stupid illiterate ass.
I am pretty sure you won't understand what I just typed there, so I translated it for you: "gow lern yous sum gramer"
66gt40lm 3 weeks ago
@66gt40lm WOW!!!u sure got me good..well guess you win.. Its the fucking internet u fuck,I'm not writing a business letter to you so WHO.....THE....FUCK....GIVES...A...FUCK!!!!! you snapper head
screat 3 weeks ago
@screat It might be the internet, but we'd still like the ability to read your stupid remarks without having to take asprin afterwards. I mean, it's actually really difficult to understand the point you are trying to make. If you want to make a point to argue over the internet, at least make it legible. Fucking inbred illiterate fucktard.
66gt40lm 3 weeks ago
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@66gt40lm well if you can't decipher that just bc of a few extra periods and spaces,,then who's the tard..i believe the theist is the tard in this case.
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screat 3 weeks ago
Go to mormon.org and request missionaries, if you are truly looking for answers.
They will help you in person. Good people
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
Go to mormon.org and invite the missionaries, if you are truly looking for answers.
But of course this pale blue dot is going to be important to God. God is a God of love, and he loves earth, and he loves all the beings in other planets that he has created.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian You havent answered anything about your god.. Look back and see my questions about god... And all this arguement has nothing to do with an infinite or finite universe.... Nothing can ''Reach infinity''... The phrase REACHING INFINITY makes NO SENSE.. ALso, IF you say the universe is infinite then your ''god'' cannot ''live'' beyond infnnite.. Again makes no sense by definition.. Get back to our little GOD topic here..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
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@Vikramthewhite "you, yesterday, are not observable. So you are saying that you are infinite ?"
You are misunderstanding. I will send you a link that will explain, but its our local universe that started with the Big Bang.
God and the universe have always existed.
Many physicist do believe that the universe is infinite. (again not talking about the local universe)
Okay if you want evidence for the existence of God, go to mormon.org and request missionaries.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Also, You yourself existed yesterday, as part of the Universe.
And you, yesterday, are not observable. So you are saying that you are infinite ?
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite I really encourage you to visit mormon.org if you are looking for answers.
You should request missionaries, they will help you, they are good people
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian lol Heard the same thing from Hindus to visit their websites. And christians theirs.. I dont see how this is any different except in-coprerating new ways to explain your gods..(Which all fail in the end..).. But thanks ill look at it..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite we all have the same God. He has revealed portions of truth to the Hindus, to scientists (even to atheists), to Muslims, he has inspired good.
But I encourage you to invite missionaries.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian A) thats a baseless claim with no evidence
B) You have the same god. I dont have a god. Definitely not your god.
C) Say that to a hindu and they will laugh at your god and Jesus..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite I already gave you the source, where to go, if you are looking for answers/evidence mormon.org
Well God loves you, and he wants you to do good. A Hindu has a portion of truth, the ancient civilizations have figured out and realized, that their is something out there. A higher power.
God is a God of love, and Jesus wants the Hindu to do good. Their is no such thing as a literal hell. Hell is being away from the presence of God.
Love one another, serve one another.
Nice chat
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Nice motives. But tell that to the victims of the holocaust. If there is a god , he leaves it to the strongest and fails to intervene on behalf of the faithful.
thomask365 3 months ago 3
@thomask365: Let us not forget the German soldiers had "Gott mit uns" (God with us) in their belt buckles.
jezmundberserker 2 months ago
@jezmundberserker Is better... the Jews had an armband with the David Star. Both, germans and jews, with their religious symbols, had a sad end. They winners were the atheist Red Army. Gods wanted that?
spanier24 2 months ago
@spanier24: Some religious nutjob would probably say yes. With an excuse like: he wanted to teach his own people a lesson. They always have an answer and no matter how cruel their god seems, he's always good and "works in mysterious ways."
jezmundberserker 2 months ago
Your questions are extremely easy to answer, but impossible to answer if you are not sincere.
well I hope at least you learned something new today about the universe
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
" the start of inflation and the Big Bang and has nothing to do with whether or not the Universe is spatially infinite. It does determine how much of the Universe we can see." - NASA
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
*science may or may not
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
Yes I am a Christian
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
Problem with proving prayer is there's no way to go back in time and see if it would have happened whether that person prayed or not. It could very well just be a coincidence. About the only way to prove it would be if it defeats the odds multiple times or if it's something that is not only scientifically impossible it is also proven beyond reasonable doubt.
DisWldFrk90 3 months ago
@DisWldFrk90 In other words, are you saying that people can't truth what they see or experience??
If you see someone committing a crime, but leaves no evidence behind, would you trust that person in the future?
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian I never said it can't be true. It very well could be. But it does need to be proven as it has been proven that people believe things happened that really didn't and that there are people that will lie. They may be telling the truth but in order to convince somebody else they are going to need to prove it. Like if I did see somebody commit a crime, I may know they did it, but in order for people to be convince I would need proof of it.
DisWldFrk90 3 months ago
@DisWldFrk90 I am not talking about presenting evidence in court, but you would know yourself.
That's why its called personal evidence.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Personal evidence isn't even always enough like I said previously as people have been wrong many times about what they were sure was true. People have misidentified culprits, thought another culprit was there that wasn't, or thought the person that did it couldn't possibly have done it. So even if I'm sure it's right that doesn't necessarily mean I am. Many times people are wrong about what they think is right. People often see what they want to see.
DisWldFrk90 3 months ago
@DisWldFrk90 Well what if we are all wrong about the universe being a computer program? Or if reality is just an illusion??
We just take that the universe is not a computer program, and that reality is NOT an illusion.
People can also hallucinate, if they are not mentally healthy, or on the right conditions
However, many theists that experience personal evidence, are mentally healthy..
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian That's actually the reason why nothing in science is ever 100% proven because everything could be an illusion. You don't have to be not mentally healthy to be wrong about personal experience. Many people who are wrong about what they believe is right are mentally healthy. Like in many police reports you'll have witnesses that swear something happened but then it's later proven wrong even though they weren't lying. Anyone can get things wrong no matter what.
DisWldFrk90 3 months ago
Whoa! What happened to the Youtube page? It's all grey and ugly now!
Jeez, Google, make up your mind! Do not fix what isn't broken!
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
Delusions don't count =(
thedarkmodem 3 months ago
At 2:25, Don says "The lack of evidence for something is not evidence for something else." Isn't this contradictory to many atheist claims that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence?"
Diognetus 3 months ago
@Diognetus "Isn't this contradictory to many atheist claims that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence?"
No you got it kinda wrong. Absence of evidence ISN'T evidence of absence. Or evidence of presence either. Not contradictory. You got it backwards.
xebek 3 months ago
@xebek
some atheists say otherwise. watch?v=XNRftzOWtxg
Diognetus 3 months ago
@Diognetus I don't care if some atheists say otherwise because it is only those specific people making that argument. It's not some atheist doctrine because there are no atheist doctrines. Those people may make that claim, so how does that represent any other atheist or anybody else?
xebek 3 months ago
@xebek
It doesn't and I never said it did. I'm only asking of Don's pronouncement that "The lack of evidence for something is not evidence for something else." is contrary to (a rather common atheist claim) that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence." Look it up on iron chariots or check youtube. It may not be an atheist dogma, but it is nevertheless a common argument.
Diognetus 3 months ago
@Diognetus When Don says "something else" he's talking about some other hypothesis entirely (i.e., that God gave him that feeling). It has nothing to do with the "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" thing.
valsyrie 3 months ago
@Diognetus
to this, saying lack of evidence for 1 thing is not evidence for another is not contrary to "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. because the latter is saying no evidence for the christian god doesn't mean he doesn't exist, while the former is saying, no evidence for the Christian god doesn't prove the muslim god exists.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg and it doesn't prove that all reality has a natural explanation.
Just because we can explain many things, doesn't mean that nature did it
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian You've got it backwards. You need proof of the supernatural, not proof of the natural. Supernature consists of anything that contradicts our current understanding of the physical laws of the universe. If there isn't a really good reason to believe that the physical laws of the universe have been broken, then you should assume it's a natural occurrence.
valsyrie 3 months ago
@valsyrie supernatural does not necessarily have to break the laws of nature. The laws of nature may in fact be the power of God. God works using the laws of nature. Supernatural can also be divine, and above science and nature.
So would you rather believe that all reality just has a natural explanation??? Any evidence?
Science does not answer why the laws of nature exist
Knowing the 4% of the universe (let alone multiverse), is not evidence.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian You don't seem to understand what supernatural means… By definition, "supernatural" means "attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature". If God uses the laws of physics to do something, that would still be supernatural because a supernatural being (God) intervened in reality and caused the event to occur. You don't need to prove that everything has a natural explanation. You need to that something doesn't. It's called Occam's razor.
valsyrie 3 months ago
@valsyrie can you accept my video response please?
If the laws of nature are the power of God, then that's not breaking the laws of physics.
Why do the laws of nature exist? Science does not answer that question, and science can't yet explain the 96% of this universe (let alone multiverse).
Talking about Occam's razor, why is it more simple to believe that all reality has a natural explanation??
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
1. What does it even mean that "the laws of nature are the power of God"?
2. Why do you keep saying that science can't explain 96% of the universe? I don't know where you're getting that statistic, and even if it were true, I don't know how it's relevant.
3. We have no evidence for any supernatural phenomena, so it takes more new assumptions to think that any supernatural events could occur. This violates Occam's razor, by definition.
valsyrie 3 months ago
@valsyrie 1) God has always control the forces of the universe, his power
2) Visit any scientific website, we can't yet explain the 96% of this universe. The laws of nature may not apply to other universes, and science does not explain why they exist in this universe.
3) How do you know we have no evidence? Isn't supernatural unexplained by science? There are many things unexplained by science even in the 4% of our universe.
Do you have faith that all reality has a natural explanation??
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
1. "God has always controlled the forces of the universe" That's a bald assertion…
2. I don't know what you mean by "explain" 96% of the universe.
3. Do you have any evidence? And no, supernatural doesn't mean "unexplained", it's something that breaks the laws of physics. And if there's something unexplained, that doesn't mean that you can say, "The magic man in the sky did it!" That's an argument from ignorance. If you actually watched the video, you'd know that.
valsyrie 3 months ago
@valsyrie 1) Supernatural does not have to break the laws of nature.
2) Dark Matter/Energy.
3) Do you have any evidence that all reality has a natural explanation?? I agree that "unexplained" does not have to be supernatural, but supernatural is always unexplained.
Well it doesn't mean that nature "did it". I think the Big Bang does have a natural explanation, and I agree that we must continue our scientific research, but you have faith that all reality has a natural explanation.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
1. Yes, in fact it does. Look it up in a dictionary.
2. Well, isn't that a really misleading thing to say. It would be more accurate to say, "We haven't agreed on an explanation for 96% of the *mass* in the universe."
3. I don't need evidence that all reality has a natural explanation; I have no reason to believe otherwise. Please give me a reason to believe otherwise.
valsyrie 3 months ago
@valsyrie 1) They are just words, I am defining supernatural in a different way.
Example: In science fiction, advance alien technology is consider supernatural, but doesn't necessarily have to break the laws of nature.
2) Physicist Lawrence Krauss said their is more that we don't know about the universe, than we do.
3) But you have no reasons to believe that it does.
4% of our LOCAL universe is just a tiny fraction of reality, compared to our Global universe.
Y do the laws of nature exist?
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
1) never been proven so completely fraudulent statement
2) So what? completely irrelevant.
3) because non has been found yet. Supernatural doesn't exist, no need to be explained.
Don't have faith it does, have a reasonable expectation to believe it does based on 100% of all observation.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszie That's not fair and open minded agnosticism, that's positive atheism. How do you know that dark energy is not supernatural/
science cannot explain the 96% of this universe (Natural or not, science has no idea what dark energy is, and its a surprise).
No reasonable expectation to believe that all reality has a natural explanation. We just know a very tiny faction of reality, compared to the infinite multiverse or global universe.
3) how do you know that supernatural doesn't exist?
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
I don't know it isn't supernatural but I have zero reason to think it does.
Again, who gives a fuck? how much of the universe science current can or cannot explain is irrelevant. That doesn't mean it can't be explained, wont be explained, or lends any credence to supernatural claims. It's pointless to bring it up.
As has been explained before, until something is shown to exist, there's no reason to think it exists. Supernatural has never been shown to exist.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg If you are in a Forrest, and if you assume that everything on earth is natural, you would be mistaken. Their are cars, for example.
So it is irrelevant to assume that all reality has a natural explanation, especially if we can only explain a tiny fraction, I find no reason now start having faith that all reality has a natural explanation.
I am a Theist, but fair and open minded agnosticism, is better than Positive Atheism.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
No its irrelevant to assume it doesn't. Everything we see in nature that we can explain has a natural explanation. from tree, to dirt to planets to stars. If everything in nature thus far has a natural explanation it's stupid to think otherwise.
Open minded goes with positive atheism. Agnosticism is for morons.
If someone claims pink invisible fairies live inside jupiter, you don't have to say "well can't prove they aint so I'm open minded agnostic about them
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg
No, you say fucking pink fairies don't exist.
Until you can show evidence of somethings existence, or reason to believe a supernatural cause is in anyway valid, there's no reason to believe in them, and saying "Well I'm agnostic" is the same as saying "Well I'm retarded."
Your cases don't get special exemptions other claims don't.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid." -- Carl Sagan
Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence in certain cases.
Fairies probably don't exist because the laws of nature won't allow them. Being above the laws of nature, demands omnipotence.
So its not the same case with an omnipotent being.
You have No evidence that all reality has a natural explanation.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Knowing there is a god and knowing there isn't would be equal statements of Knowledge so Sagan's wrong right of the bat. Secondly a theist has to know more because they claim to know what god thinks and wants, so Sagan's wrong again.
Finally any atheist, no matter how positive, is not making a declaration of absolute certainty or knowledge as a theist does, and will accept being wrong. a theist will not. So Sagan fails on every single note.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence it's more than valid reason to doubt that things existence though.
The laws of nature would allow fairies...
Being outside does not demand omnipotence, and even if it did were did you acquire this knowledge? From you ass as usual?
Yes I do, that all reality known and explained has had a natural explanation.
0 supernatural explanations have been found, and supernatural claims debunked.
You side with the debunked side
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
as for your "start having faith" bit, you just sound retarded when you say that.
When 100% of everything we've been able to explain has a natural explanation only a fucking moron would think there will be a "supernatural explanation." We know the cause of thousands and thousands of things, so far not a single supernatural one, and all supernatural claims have been proven false.
You're a dumb ass to think it takes "faith" to go with all the evidence.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg Nothing has been able to be explain 100%, because science does not answer why the laws of nature exist.
Of course 100% of what has been explained its natural, otherwise we wouldn't be able to explain it.
Anyways, I am a critical thinker, and a future astronomer.
I don't like to be involved in conversations that have insults, all because you blame religion for everything.
Anyways, I am a thinker, and I not going to respond to you, because you say bad words.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
You're obviously not a critical thinker, since everything you've said has been stupid.
So if it has a supernatural explanation we wouldn't be able to explain it? wow that's powerful stupid.
I dont blame religion for everything try again
Anyone who was a "thinkin' man" would know bad words don't exist.
You fail on every aspect of "thinking" a rock is a better thinker than you are.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg lol I have talk to plenty of atheists like you, that do nothing more than insult.
Do you have evidence that all reality has a natural explanation?
Anyways, you make too many fallacies, and I won't reply to you anymore.
You are just like the young earth creationists, but enough, I will just ignore you and your insults (which you can only insult on the internet).
You proved me wrong on nothing.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
I have done a lot more than insult I've explained why everything you've said is wrong.
I answered that already, at least twice.
You claim I make fallacies yet don't point out a single one, good job.
I proved you wrong about everything. Your logic is circular and self defeating. But run away now, good to see you go
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg we could have had a conversation, but you ruined it with your insults.
I have no interest in proving you wrong anyways.
Have a nice internet bully life.
Your insults won't get you nowhere.
My friendly advice, is that you stop using bad words.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian
We could never have had a conversation, because I'm not interested in conversing with incredibly stupid people like you.
Again, if you think there's such a thing as "bad words" you're a moron.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@chaoszieg there is such things as bad words, because you wouldn't insult me in front of my face.
Enough, please
I know I am not stupid, atheists have bored me a long time ago, they all sound the same, especially the ones that like to insult like you .
Okay dude, goodbye, I am not going to waste my time reason your insults, life outside youtube, is beautiful.
good bye.
I only like to debate intellectual atheists, not prejudice preachers, that only like to insult.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
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@TheSkepticChristian
I would insult you to your face.
You merely think you are not stupid, but you are. If you weren't stupid you wouldn't be saying stupid shit, that simple.
chaoszieg 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian There is a pattern in history of human beings.. People thought the earth was flat until science proved them wrong. People once thought ightning and tornadoes were signs of gods anger - Science explained thats not the case. People once thought volcanoes was the sign of an angry god-Science proved its not.. Just because science doesnt have the answer NOW doesnt mean its god. Even IFFFFF it was god, you still have to prove its a christian god.
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite Well it doesn't mean that everything in reality has a natural explanation.
The laws of nature may in fact be the power of God.
We only know just a tiny fraction of reality, we cannot explain the 96% of our local universe, let alone the infinity outside our observable universe.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
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Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite and I didn't say that the unexplained, has to be supernatural.
96% dark matter and energy.
The infinity outside our observable universe is unknown, and other universes may have different laws.
Anyways, you can know that God exist by personal evidence, or would you rather trust Matt??
After all if we receive personal evidence, and it leads us to do good, and we are mentally healthy, we would accept the personal evidence.
We accept that the universe is not an illusion, right?
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian 96% of our universe is not dark matter and energy.. And when you say energy, science has done a VERY good job explaining energy and its types and functions and so on.. The infinite outside is what science is trying to explain.. Give it time. And what personal Evidence ? Give me an example.. Im a skeptic, i dont believe ANYONE by just listening to them. I research and observe. Id rather listen to a scientist than a pastor if you know what i mean..2 B Cont
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite 96% of the universe is made of Dark matter and Energy, check any scientific website, like Nat Geo or NASA. However, science has no idea what's dark energy, we just know its there.
Science won't explain the infinity outside our observable universe, their will always be a limit to science.
That's why you should only follow the personal experience that invites to do good.
God is the source of all good, and he reveals portions of truths to humanity.
God causes love, peace, joy
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Saying that science WONT know is wrong. Thousand years from now, science will know a 100x more than what it knows now. Science will NEVER have a dead end. That limit keeps breaking everytime we discover something new. Personal experiences is subjective thus cannot be taken as evidence. Before we go furthur in this, are you a Christian ?
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite I agree that we should keep investigating, and try solve mysteries. I agree that we should continue our scientific research, like trying to detect other universes somehow. Don't misunderstand me, but science always has its limits, it will never reach infinity.
Also, you are assuming that we will solve all mysteries.
Personal experiences that leads people to do good, can lead to miracles and blessings.
Just visit that website, that the guy was talking about mormon.org
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Okay, you are a mormon.. Back to topic.. INFINITY is a concept. Just because we dont know where our knowledge will end, doesnt mean that its infinity. Personal experiences mean NOTHING because there is more than 1 religion. People in HINDUISM believe in several gods. I have a friend who claims that he had experienced the god Ganesh. Some have said they experienced other gods. How is YOU god any true ? Coz your book says so ? They have books too..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite I meant that science will never reach the infinity. Our universe or multiverse is infinite. Our universe continues outside our space and time. It wouldn't make sense that reality is finite, and their is no evidence that it is. I will keep progressing, but will never reach the infinity, and it may or may not solve some current problems in physics.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian The universe is not infinite.. It started from a singularity so its definitely not infinite.. Its an expanding universe. The word ''Continue'' doesnt make any sense without the time factor.. Ill say again, just because we dont know the ending doesnt make it infinite(In your terms).. Infinite is MERELY a CONCEPT used to describe an unknown ending... ALso, you havent answered any of my questions. Pleaes do so..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite Okay, let me explain. When scientists say that the universe started at a singularity, they mean our local universe, they mean matter and negative matter. No one can make a scientific statement before the plank time. Their is no scientific evidence that the universe had an absolute beginning. In fact many physicist believe in multiple unvierse outside our local universe (outside our space and time), and that would be called our global universe
Look for "infinite universe" at NASA
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Yes i am aware of Multi-verse theory. I dont know what that has to do with this discussion. Im aksing you to provide evidence for your father god.. The god of the bible in particular since that is what you are harping about.. There is no evidence YET!!!.. That doesnt mean there will NEVER be an evidence in the future. You are drifting away from this topic here.. Answer my questions i asked you...
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite "I dont know what that has to do with this discussion"
well you stated that the universe is not infinite, but their is no evidence that is it finite.
Again, science will never reach infinity (the universe is infinite), and it may or may not solve the current problems in physics, but you assumed it will
Well, find your personal evidence to know that God exist. Its the same God of all humanity
I take my personal evidence as real, just as I take that reality is not an illusion
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian If our universe started from a singularity (Big bang), then our universe is finite. The word ''Infinite'' is used when the measurement (In this case) or distance of the universe isnt certain. Unknown. They also say that the universe is still expanding so we cannot measure the size (For now). THUS they say its infinite.. ''Reality is not an illusion''.. That statement is quiet obvious since we have no other example of reality that we can compare it with.
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite You are confused with how scientists used words.
"The Universe was not concentrated into a point at the time of the Big Bang. But the observable Universe was concentrated into a point. The distinction between the whole Universe and the part of it that we can see is important."
astro ucla edu/~wright/infpoint html
"inflation and the Big Bang and has nothing to do with whether or not the Universe is spatially infinite" -- NASA
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Whether or not the universe is infinite or finite is an ongoing debate. Im saying its not infinite because the universe is expanding. An infinity cannot expand into infinite. That doesnt make any sense BY DEFINITION.. Also, if the univer is expanding then it had a point of expansion. The big bang theory. Thus saying that the universe is infinite makes no sense. Infinite is merely a concept and not a UNIT or measurement..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite Again, its our observable universe that its expanding, NOT our global universe. Science does not state anything, outside our observable universe. Its our observable universe that has a limit and that started with the Big Bang. But the infinite universe did NOT start with the Big Bang.
Please do some research in the NASA website, or National Geographic.
and yes, science will never reach infinity and the universe is infinite.
I just answered your other question, below.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Also, you still havent answered any of my questions..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Can you prove that the god of the bible exists? Also, tell me.. Why did you god supposedly ''Create'' this universe and only create this tiny spec of a blue planet where he created his ''beloved'' human beings ? Why such a big universe ? Coz your ''god'' works in mysterious ways ? lol.. Answer..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Cont.. How can you prove that YOUR religion and YOUR god is the true one ? Why isnt Hindu or Muslims true ? ALSO, so far in history science has never had a limitation. Just because it hasnt found a way to discover something doesnt mean its LIMITED at that. Thats a very silly way to go about things.
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite God is the father of all, he has revealed portions of truth to Buddah, to Hindu, to Muslims, everything good comes from God.
Other people from other religions also have spiritual experiences that come from God.
So you should seek for you truth, you should seek personal evidence, and I invite you to visit mormon.org, and you can even read the testimonies of former atheists.
Science will keep progressing, but it will never reach infinity.
Can we reach infinity? Think about it
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian One again you assume that the god of the bible is the ultimate god which is kinda sickening. And no god didnt reveal himself to Buddha. In the bible, god says to stone all homo sexuals ? Why arent you doing that now ? Answer this question.. ''God'' Can mean anything.. What is a god. Define what you think a god is. You havent explained what person experience means either. ''Reaching infinity'' MAKES NO SENSE.. INFINITY IS A CONCEPT.. CONCEPT !!!!!!
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
@Vikramthewhite Many physicists believe that the universe is infinite.
Again, the Big Bang was not the absolute beginning, it was the beginning of our local universe (our space and time, of energy and space), not one can make a scientific statement before the planks time, and their is no evidence that our global universe is finite. (we could have multiverse).
I never said that God appeared to Buddha, I said that God inspired Buddah, and gave him a portion of truth.
Its the same God.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian More than 60% of the scientists (Giving you the benefit of the doubt) were not inspired by god, yet our world has a better understanding thanks to them. Inspiration doesnt prove theres a god.. Children are inspired by santa claus to do good things. Doesnt mean Santa exists... Ill repeat again. Physicists believe that universe is infinite is because they dont know its END.. YET.. Once they do, they will retract that belief of infinite..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago
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@Vikramthewhite "More than 60% of the scientists (Giving you the benefit of the doubt) were not inspired by god,"
How do you know?? Its just your assumption without evidence. God can also inspire the atheist to do good.
"Physicists believe that universe is infinite is because they dont know its END"
sorry, but you are mistaken. You are assuming that the universe has to have an end.
Yes, our local universe does have an end.
Yet?? and what makes you think their is?
Go to the NASA website.
TheSkepticChristian 3 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian I once again ask you to answer my questions..
Vikramthewhite 3 months ago