Charlie Rose - Antonin Scalia

[haldonrichardson1]

See the videos: "Citizens United and Morbidly Fat Cat Scalia", "Newt Gingrich: The Fanatic and Facile Fascist" and "Panty Wad Prolix Pontificator George Will Fights Commerce"

[writersblock26]

Thank you for posting this, CharlieRose.

[haldonrichardson1]

See the following videos at haldonrichardson1: "President Obama's Amendment for the 99%", "Citizens United and Fat Cat Scalia",

"Health Care With Little Petey Cronkite and Georgie Will", "Rush Limbaugh-Demagogues and Rabble", "The Tea Party, Circa 1860", and "Rick Perry Christian Rick the Perryman".

Scalia is one of the most dangerous men in U.S. history. Read the Federalist Papers. Study Gore V. Bush and Citizens United. Plessy v Ferguson and Dred Scott have nothing on Scalia.

[mjn76]

Scalia is an impeccable jurist. Thank God he is among those nine Justices.

[haldonrichardson1]

See "Citizens United and Fat Cat Scalia"

[WoundedEgo]

I've never might a Supreme Court justice that I didn't immediatly like, respect and defer to.

[writersblock26]

@WoundedEgo You have personally met them?

[WoundedEgo]

@writersblock26 No, just a figure of speech.

[impeachobamanow2010]

OBAMA IS LOST WITHOUT HIS TELEPROMPTER. THE IDIOT TRIES TO GO THROUGH WINDOWS INSTEAD OF DOORS AT THE WHITEHOUSE. THE IDIOT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO USE A PORT-A-POTTY. THE IDIOT THINKS THAT THERE IS 57 STATES!!!

[PERIZ99]

Scalia is such an asshole...

[redresch]

Love him or hate him, he is a fascinatingly intelligent man, who holds true to his convictions in how he interprets the constitution.

[charliebergy101239]

Mr. inJustice Scalie, together with his fellow inJustices: Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Kennedy have turned the U.S. Supreme Court into ONE BIG JOKE! Bush v Gore

was one of the biggest jokes ever perpetrated. It gave us the Iraq war, 4 trillion dollars in added Federal Debt, a war criminal president who became an international joke, and the Great Recession! WELL DONE, YOU JOKESTERS!

[Porojukaha]

@charliebergy101239 lol. the recession came from decisions made by FDR and the way the banks were handling our economy, not from Bush, since its been statistically proven that any war, even an injust one, actually helps the economy (not defending bush because he passed the first stimulus package which DID hurt the economy). Gore, right now, is a bigger international joke than Bush (because his brand of global warming has been proven false) and Obama an even BIGGER joke!

[Porojukaha]

@charliebergy101239 not defending bush. Just pointing out your poorly reasoned arguments. Bush was one of the worst presidents of our time, second only to Obama. But not for the reasons you are claiming. I think Gore would have been just as bad as any of those two as well, simply because he is a liar and a charlatan, just like those two are, and he takes pseudoscience and tries to make billions for himself with it while ostensibly trying to "save the world" from something that doesnt exist

[HailMaryHolyMary]

O Glorious St. Thomas More, Patron of Statesmen, Politicians, Judges and Lawyers, your life of prayer and penance and your zeal for justice, integrity and firm principle in public and family life led you to the path of martyrdom and sainthood. Intercede for our Statesmen, Politicians, Judges and Lawyers, that they may be courageous and effective in their defense and promotion of the sanctity of human life - the foundation of all other human rights. We ask this through Christ our Lord. AMEN

[Porojukaha]

@HailMaryHolyMary typing a prayer on Youtube? what happened to "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall freward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

You just make christians look like a bunch of crazy goons when you post this kind of stuff. Stop it.

[EFISHANT]

expediency to avoid international embarrassment is BULLSHIT!

This guy is a right wing thug!

[BeadStallcup]

What kind of creature must be in the White House to permit a conniving devil like Scalia to make the laws of the land. God Help this country!

[nnjhansen]

@BeadStallcup The person in the White House can't do anything about a member of the Supreme Court.

[HOUSEOFFOURDOORS]

Wish we had more Scalia's..... Many more..

[serpentineflame]

Thanks to Scalia, Bush's term was a fraud

[Eagles2777]

Incorrect. The New York Times' independent recount affirmed Bush as the winner in November 2001.

[UdallIn72]

@Eagles2777

Regardless of who really won, the votes were never actually counted in accordance with Florida law. That's the important thing.

Florida election law at the time allowed candidates to ask for hand recounts in elections where the results were sufficiently close.

Gore was granted this recount (albeit only in the four or five counties where he requested them), and they were never completed, because Bush's campaign managed to run out the clock with stall tactics (mainly lawsuits).

[socalcraigster]

A fraud? Hey bookworm, why don't you look up the definition of the word. You are such a victim ... just the way you like it I bet.

[serpentineflame]

Both Bush terms were fraudulent

[exbronco1980]

Dershowitz, Vince Bugliosi and Jonathan Turley all condemned the way the supreme court handled the Bush vs Gore thing. So did most legal scholars. but the most important thing to you right wingers is that George W. Bush was president those 8 years. i hope you right wingers are happy.

[socalcraigster]

You could only find three lawyers? Wow! If we had empy suit Obama as President then, he would have blamed the 9/11 victims as evil capitalists who got what they deserved. Are you a victim of the evil right-wingers sonny boy?

[exbronco1980]

@socalcraigster I'm sure i could cite hundreds of people if i wanted to. but why bother? u will disregard and deny everything i say.  that's what right wingers love to do. Most of them don't care about facts.

[socalcraigster]

I'm not a ring-winger. There you go again jumping to conclusions. If you put three lawyers in a room, you will get at least 4 opinions. Reasonable men may reach different conclusions on a particular issue. It means that three lawyers, acting in good faith, can disagreed with a judge, who also acted in good faith. Your fault is that you have a personal belief that the judge is not acting in good faith. Without any evidence to the contrary, you must presume good faith on the judge's part.

[exbronco1980]

scalia was worried about the US being the laughing stock of the world. isn't he the same guy who says "we shouldn't care about what the rest of the world thinks or does" when it comes to the death penalty? i'm sure if gore had been ahead, scalia would have wanted the recount to continue, if it meant bush could end up winning.

[TheConcernedPatriot]

more:

'In 1990, Scalia wrote a majority opinion blithely dismissing the importance of the First Amendments Free Exercise Clause and giving government sweeping new powers to restrict religious behavior.

Scalia also wants to limit the right of Americans to challenge church-state violations in federal court. He was in the majority in the infamous Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation in 2007."

I'm NOT a "liberal" by the way. conservatives should be concerned about this.

[TheConcernedPatriot]

"He has voted to allow government to meddle in school prayer at every turn. He believes taxing people to support religious institutions is just fine. As far as he is concerned, government can festoon itself with the Ten Commandments and other sectarian symbols."

(source: American United for the Separation of Church & State)

activist judge? would seem so. where is FOX??

[ScottBrown666]

Scalia is one demonic cocksucker...

[qwertyman129]

Scalia is slightly misleading in stating Bush v. Gore wouldn't have overturned the result. While under Gore's standard Bush still would've won, under any state-wide recount, Gore wins. In addition, the purging of thousands of African American voters was pretty much criminal, and the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach likely cost Gore several hundreds of votes.

Ironically, Bush v. Gore is a really strong endorsement of equal protection in a way Scalia usually rejects.

[imjustpassinthru]

Scalia is a religious theocrat. All of the Supreme Court justices are theocrats, whether they hold political views of the left or of the right, whether they consider themselves religious or not. There are no great legal minds.

[Albyiscool]

Relgious theocrat is a bit redundant don't you think. You obviously have no understanding of the Supreme Court if you do not understand the weight and logic behind every decision they make.

[tubermann1]

yeah, he's practically making the Pope the president in most of his opinions.

stfu, please.

[Ogre89]

you know, i heard scalia was a douche, however until today i was willing to give him a shot, but after watching a few interviews, i'm pretty sure he is a douche.

[ffairlane57]

That'x exactly what I was going to say.

It's one thing to be conservative-leaning, but this guy is a piece of work.

[calimar28]

Your a disgusting liberal Ogre89

[Ogre89]

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[blldgs101]

I LOVE EVERY ORIGINALIST!!!!

[Cjimmortal]

Brilliant man? have you seen his defense of torture? Thats his opinion and it happens to be right. The man is far to full of himself and should not be a supreme court justice.

[mikesmith09]

Seriously? Listen to him talk about torture again. He does not say that torture is ok, or even legal. He says that it is not protected by the constitution or bill of rights. His opinion is that cruel and unusual punishment is not the same thing as torture. In that clip he does not defend torture once but says that to put torture under cruel and unusual punishment is stretching it to mean something it was not intended to mean.

[Cjimmortal]

I actually started reading up alot more about him. I definitely disagree with alot of the things he says, but i do now see why people called him brilliant. He is arrogant, but who isnt these days. The way he speaks is very clever and well thought out most of the time. It's also obvious after actually studying the supreme court a little bit more that it is a good thing to have all of these people with completely different opinions because it forces them to find a common ground.

[mikesmith09]

Heres what I love about Scalia, he doesnt put it upon himself to make legislation with his judgements. For example: same sex marriage. He says a court has no business stretching the 14th ammendment to fit same sex marriage and make it legal. Antonin Scalia would argue that if homosexuals want to be married then do it the way it was meant to be. Make a law and if that law is passed, Antonin Scalia would be the first person to defend it. But leave making those laws to a legislature, not a judge.

[pissedoffdude1]

@mikesmith09 That doesn't mean it was meant to be that way. The courts are supposed to protect minorities from the majority. Plus, even if you believe it should be up to a legislature, what is your reason behind it? The founders didn't create a perfect form a government, so there's no need to follow everything they said. If you admire a justice, you should admire him because he did the RIGHT thing, not because he took a traditional approach.

[etsneroj]

@pissedoffdude1, If our judges always did whatever they thought was the right thing regardless of the laws enacted by the peoples representatives, the USA would become a third-word country. If the rule of law is weak, your property rights are weak, the economy is weak, and the people are poor. Our system is imperfect. But there is no perfect system. Our system, however, has given our country relative stability and unprecedented prospertiy.

[pissedoffdude1]

@etsneroj Exactly why I want Obama to pick someone who's well-suited for the job. If you bring in an average person, perhaps you can expect horrible choices to be made. However, if you bring someone in who's excellent at making valid arguments, then it doesn't matter what the people think and how our country has done; its completely irrelevant. In addition, sticking to precedents to a certain degree could be useful, but we should nominate those wo can make valid points.

[misesatbest]

He's smart and brilliant indeed.

[OgLoC2]

brilliant man...proves that there are some smart people out there who do not ascribe to the BS Philosophy created by power hungry politicians that the constitution is living...

[eirefrance]

I disagree with Scalia but I have to respect his positions. Very well explained and very honestly defended.

[derberg19486]

@eirefrance are you fucking kidding? This guys wife is a Tea Party executive and a Republican plant. He took an oath and one day later said fuck that I will side with Republican interests long as I live. He is 100% corrupt

[ecs25858]

A smell conspiracy!!!!!!!

[green95gt]

well we are an even bigger laughing stock right now 'cause of this descision. Sometimes you gotta forget the intellectual argument and listen to the people.

[kgj08]

well then maybe Al Gore shouldn't have brought the issue into the courts then... because that's what you're going to get!

[bastardrob]

THE FIXER

[8data]

but the antidote-obama08

[8data]

One thing he is effective at, is just giving more evidence to why people despise lawyers

sanctimonious to the end

but before I go to far, I still believe that society needs lawyers

just not so narrow-minded ones, looc at all the damage of the last 8 years because of single-mindedness-911 enron, iraq,

more corporate america scandals, wreaxed states in california and the midwest due to climate change,

america needed dramatic restructuring in 2000

we got that allright, in completely the wrong way

[8data]

i agree that Scalia got it right, but does that mean

that jurisprudence in process by a select elite is a victory for democracy and liberty

remember, the Constitution, is what is at play here, not the individual interpretation by these justices and their appointees, no matter if it is the Supreme Court or not

So, before you defend a verdict for nominal relief

remember that the Constitution is our history, not the Republican party, and as such, legality rests with it

[8data]

we are still the laughing stoc, Scalia, only more so

your points are moot

and your judgement still suspect

lets move on, i see, how long are we going to be in iraq

if mccain is president-forever-cost to the treasury-no end in sight

[MJJLWolf]

Scalia is a fat piece of shit.

Thank God he's 72, overweight, and smokes! I smell a sudden heart attack coming soon ala Tim Russert.

[Hazzard0]

Crook!!

[mjn76]

To critics of Bush v. Gore, please read the U.S. Constitution. As a matter of accuracy, no where does it say that Presidential elections must be determined by popular vote. (See Article II, section 1)

[mjn76]

The people who complain most about Bush v. Gore understand it least.

A deadline for voter recounts was already set by the Florida legislature. Even if the Court chose to let the recount continue, it would have left 1-2 days. To comply with the Equal Protection Clause, the whole state had to be recounted, not just 2-3 counties as Gore conveniently asked for.

Months later, independent recounts conducted by the media confirmed that Bush won.

Scalia and the rest of the Court got it right.

[johnmichaelmcmahon]

First, only one court ruled differently; the Florida Supreme Court, and that is why it went to the Supreme Court in D. C. Second, the Gore people did not want a recount of the entire state, just a few counties. Third, indeed all of the recounts (done by various entities) all found that Bush did win. All factual. Indeed, the legal wrangling of the Bush and Gore teams was nauseating, and the journey through the courts headache inducing, but Bush did indeed win, whether we like it or not.

[8data]

johnmichaelmcmahon did Bush really win or did the wrong four letters really win that is, my suggestion is to watch the pelican brief again, the notion of legality and a just peace in american society has suffered immensely based on the loose conjectures and recxlessness of Bush he still has not formulated a complete sentence that answers any reporters question, just remember that that is the sign of a dictator, not a president so, having a president for a presidents saxe means 0 dramatically

[swatson1978]

I have unsusbscribed to Charlie Rose's videos because of this interview. I always knew that Charlie is a passion-less, middle-of-the-road, wimp. But, this is pathetic. Scalia just gets away with saying, "I don't wanna talk about this, anymore. It's old news." and Charlie obeys. Pathetic.

[BubbaBrazille]

Our country couldn't possibly sustain the international scorn that would be heaped upon us if we slowed and actually counted the votes right?

not to mention the whole originalist argument about state's rights. What happened to Florida's state's rights? State's rights matter as long as they comport with my world view, says the reactionary.

unprecedented, ill conceived, illogical and emotional. All the things the 'supreme' court is intended not to be.

[etsneroj]

Scalia is justifiably tired of talking about this eight year old decision. The reasoning behind his vote is in the opinion. And the reason why he was in the position to vote on this issue is because Al Gore put the question in the courts.

[exbronco1980]

wasn't it bush who took it to the supreme court? and after all, didn't 4 supreme court justices agree to hear the case? and wasn't scalia one of the 4? and even if the supreme court agreed to hear the case, couldn't scalia have recused himself? come on.

[etsneroj]

No, it was Gore that sued. Yes, 4 justices had to agree to hear the case. I don't know if Scalia was among the 4 (or more) that voted to hear the case. I don't think it matters much. If any appeal was important enough for the Court to hear, it was this one. Why would Scalia recuse himself? You only recuse yourself if you have a conflict of interest and Scalia had none. Recusal actually would have been a derliction of his duty.

[exbronco1980]

In Bush v Gore, Bush was the plaintiff. and the decision was based on politics, not law. Scalia, Thomas, O'conner, Kennedy and Rehnquist were corrupt. what scalia did WAS dereliction of duty.

[etsneroj]

You have no idea what you're talking about. On 11/16/2000, Gore filed a motion in state court to compel the Florida's Secretary of State (Harris) to accept amended recount returns. The motion was denied and the appeal went all the way to the Supreme Court. Like I said, Gore put it in the courts, not Bush.

[exbronco1980]

maybe al gore took it to the florida court. my understanding is since the vote count was so close, florida law required a recount. the recount was benefiting al gore, why would he take the case to the supreme court to have the recount stopped? that makes no sense. my understanding is gore won at the florida supreme court, bush took the case to the US supreme court. gore did not take the case to the US supreme court .

[Albyiscool]

why should he have recused himself? As Scalia himself said, the country was begging them to make a definitive decision. And the Court agreed 7-2 that the recounting process being undertaken by Florida was flawed. So what should the Court have done about this? Let them keep going with a flawed election?

[exbronco1980]

@Albyiscool Scalia is corrupt. the Bush vs Gore Supreme Court decision was corrupt. there should have been a statewide recount in florida.

[Albyiscool]

There were statewide recounts...for weeks. Why do you think everybody was so desperate for the Supreme Court to step in? It was Gore who was dragging on the legal process, almost everybody on the court, liberal and conservative alike, agreed that the recounts were violating the Constitution. And the media unanimously declared after the decision that Bush would have won anyway if the recounts were continued...only it would have taken more weeks.

[exbronco1980]

@Albyiscool I guess it's possible i'm wrong, but here's how i remember it. since the vote count was so close, florida law required a recount. it somehow became a matter for the florida supreme court. they ruled in Gore's favor. the more the recount continued, the better it was for Gore. Bush and friends took it to the Supreme Court to get the recount stopped. those 5 corrupt justices really wanted bush to win, and did not care about anything else.

[Albyiscool]

If you think the justices are corrupt at least be accurate. It was 7 of them who said Florida was doing it all wrong, yet 5 have the common sense to know that if something is wrong, don't let it continue.

You are correct that Gore continued the recounts- for weeks and weeks. This was turning into a crisis, like Justice Scalia said, since we had no one who could prepare to inherit the Presidency.

[exbronco1980]

@Albyiscool In Bush v Gore the decision was 5 to 4. i'm not sure where u get this 7 number. it would have been a tragedy if all the florida votes had been counted properly. i hope u enjoyed 8 years of george w.

[Albyiscool]

@exbronco1980

You should look up the case. That was the final decision. There was another vote as to whether the Court believed that there was wrongdoing in the recounts. That was 7-2. The decision to stop the recounts and award the election to Bush was 5-4.

It's not about who they wanted to be president. It was about the Constitution.

[UdallIn72]

@Albyiscool

You've got that a little screwed up.

Bush was asking the USSC to vacate the Florida Supreme Court's order of a statewide hand recount of ballots. The vote on whether to grant that relief was 5-4. That's the only "vote" the Court actually made.

The 7-2 thing refers to the fact that 7 justices agreed that Florida's variable counting standards violated the 14th amendment.

Only FIVE of them agreed that nothing could be done to fix that problem.

You should read the dissents.

[UdallIn72]

@etsneroj

Gore was the defendant. Bush was the plaintiff.

That is to say that it was GORE being sued.

It's the Bush campaign that put the issue in the courts--Florida law allowed both the automatic machine recount and the hand recounts the Gore campaign requested (and which, as a result of the Supreme Court's decision, were never completed).

The Bush campaign was in the courts mainly to throw obstacles in front of those recounts.

[etsneroj]

@UdallIn72, There was more than one case filed over the course of the election, but this much is clear: The Florida Supreme Court stopped the recount and Gore petitioned the US Supreme Court to decide the issue. So, my point, which has been made many others before, is that the Court's decision was not a power-grab. Gore asked them to decide it. And, as Scalia points out, not deciding the case was not a realistic option.

[UdallIn72]

@etsneroj

You've got it backwards. The Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide hand recount, and Bush appealed that order into the federal system.

Again, Bush was the plaintiff in the case (styles of cause read Plaintiff v. Defendant). Also, Bush was the appellant in the Supreme Court.

Why the hell would Gore appeal the Florida Supreme Court's decision to order a recount HE was asking for?

[BubbaBrazille]

he has no trust in the constitution, obviously, nor the rule of law, hence the decision to "cut it off" before we became a "laughing stock".

Paragraph 17 of the news report he alludes to: However, if all of the ballots in florida had been counted, Gore would have won.... This man should be impeached and imprisoned. His son worked for Bush, btw. Ah, Republicans.

Originalists kill me, so, should women, blacks vote? should there be no national park system? This is the best America has to offer?

[DukeUniversity08]

or he "cut it off" because it was a violation of equal protection rights, which liberal justices seem to ignore if they get in the way of a Democrat heading to the White House

[BubbaBrazille]

by your logic, equal protection was meant to protect a 'winning' candidate from damage he might incur when it turns out he didn't win at all. Whatever happens the reactionary element in our society seems determined not to count all the votes.

We couldn't count the votes, our democracy depends on it! That seems to be your argument.

[BubbaBrazille]

he has no trust in the constitution, obviously, nor the rule of law, hence the decision to "cut it off" before we became a "laughing stock".

Paragraph 17 of the news report he alludes to: However, if all of the ballots in florida had been counted, Gore would have won.... This man should be impeached and imprisoned. His son worked for Bush, btw. Ah, Republicans.

[myroncope]

Smug fucking bastard.

[Mmmmmmmbacon]

It was not a serious problem. We were ribbed a bit...but not the SCARY laughing stock we are now.

Scalia is just a loony tune who is still shrugging off the 2000 election interferance.

[foolchild0]

f*ck you, scalia. f*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you. you took my country away, and you destroyed my faith. maybe it was a good thing, but f*ck you all the same.

[UnionStayshyn]

Scalia is not very bright. Seriously, this guy is a member of your country's highest court?? Kinda pathetic.

[DukeUniversity08]

Have you even read anything he's written? Try A Matter of Interpretation, the book in which he goes head-to-head with Gordon S. Wood, Laurence Tribe, Mary Ann Glendon, and Ronald Dworkin in a debate on constitutional law. Those names will only impress you, of course, if you've actually heard of them. Quick, Wikipedia!

[therudman]

"Kinda" isn't a word.

[UnionStayshyn]

And the phrase 'homosexual agenda' is bullshit paranoia that only makes sense to frightened Americans (though it seems like that's the only kind that exists these days).

[charleshoskinson]

Have you ever read any of Scalia's opinions?

[bfq3000]

scalia sucks. secularism is good.