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  • I agree on most of his ideas and he's the smartest candidates out of all I THINK

  • @MS77xXxJJboy actually the most important reason to vote for ron paul is Austrian economics, check out peter schiff was right on youtube, he was paul's economic adviser in 208

  • This guy is a loony. While I agree that personal liberty is important, to say that all personal habits should not be controlled by the government is crazy. Personal habits affect very one, most of all children. Alcohol use kills over 75,000 people a year. Deregulate other drugs and this number will climb. He says under our constitution we cannot have these laws, but is that so? Read more here, thinking-clearly.blogspot.com/­2011/12/examining-ron-paul.htm­l

  • @husbandman2 Oh yes dear lord make it a law so nobody will do it. That seems to work huh? What a stupid ass position to take. By making drugs legal the only thing that will climb is the number of inner city families that aren't torn apart because of terrible laws.

  • @husbandman2 it is true but its a sad truth that u cant protect people from themselves its a complicated issue but i believe deregulation is much better than regulation not only do u remove the organised crime aspect but u cant treated users and victims not criminals

  • @husbandman2 Regulation of drugs is one of the reasons we are having this stupid war on drugs that's going absolutely nowhere. People who are addicts are STILL getting their fixes and law enforcement agencies are spending BILLIONS of dollars a year finding dealers, intercepting traffickers, etc.You can't protect people from themselves. It sucks that people are addicts to drugs and alcohol but that's the reality of the situation.

  • @husbandman2 "Alcohol use kills over 75,000 people a year. Deregulate other drugs and this number will climb." Statistics indicate the opposite is true - as recreational drug use rises, alcohol use declines. Go on, look it up.

    "Personal habits affect very one, most of all children." Were you paying attention? He mentioned that these things would still be kept out of the hands of children, since they aren't at the age of physical maturity. They'd be treated like alcohol is now.

  • I've started reading up on Ron Paul and (for the most part, not 100% but at least 90-95) I completely agree. I think he would be a good president, but I also don't think he's going to win because a lot of people are... well lets say less smart.

  • @afroebob ever heard of peter schiff, he was ron paul's economic adviser in 2008 when he ran last time, look up peter schiff was right, its got 2 million views, you will love paul more!

  • Why on earth are you not the President of US, Dr. Paul? Beyond me, seriously.

  • WHO IS THE SLIMIEST CRETIN ON EARTH ? WHO JUST MAKES PEOPLE SICK WHEN HEARING HIS VOICE ? WHO IS EVIL ? WHY ITS JOHN STOSSEL ! YES , AND ITS RON PAUL !

  • @weetoy69 Well, he's not....bad. He may not be as 'alive' with his beliefs as his colleagues are with theirs. Here he's simply asking things, unlike say, Bill O'reilly, who attacks and interrupts Paul at every chance he gets. As do many other Fox news 'reporters'. I respect Stossel's much more calm approach. I'm willing to sit through an interview like this, whereas O'reilly makes me sick...

  • I hate to be that guy, but where the fuck have you retards been? This is like his 3rd time running for president and he is still saying the same amazing things he did 8 years ago. Welcome to the club, this man is amazing, now why didn't you give him a shot until now?

  • @aslad aslad, your view is so credible. I can tell by your use of such intellectualisms as "fuck" and "retards".

    Ron Paul also predicted the housing bubble back in '02. I agree, why hasn't he been given a chance? Probably because of narrow minded people.

  • hes so intelligent and eloquent. very good reasoning

  • He just makes too much sense. He is marginalized because he speaks of a Gold Standard which takes all the currency rights away from Central Banks. I went from completely disagreeing with him like the media told me to...to seeing the light. To all Paul supporters...We are all excited when we speak of his policies but we need to tone it down and gradually spread the message! We still have a little more time. People don't want to hear the truth in one minute!!!...Ron Paul 2012.

  • Yeah too bad he flip flopped on gay marriage trying to appease the teabaggers.

  • @HurricaneTBag He never flip-flopped on gay marriage. He has always said he personally believes marriage is between a man and a woman but the federal government doesn't have a say in it. He's always said just like he did in this video that he thinks government should be out of marriage. He has said that if it is to be dealt with politically it should be at the local level. That way if the morality of the people changes the law can be changed easier at the state level than the federal level

  • This man will be president. If you spread the message and register republican 12 weeks before primary. Go vote and get at least 20 people to vote by primaries

  • get it right, the media is owned by the NewWorldOrder. this is why they fear ron paul, because he refuses to be bought. And that is why he is being ignored, lampooned, and slandered by mainstream media on BOTH sides.

  • This is the way it should be but of course not. Fuck government and their regulations.

  • IM IMPRESSED! 2012!!!!!

  • @ldsense yeah since you have nothing to back it up all of us people that watched the video will just dismiss your bullshit claim

  • AUSTRALIAN COMING TO AMERICA TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM AND LIBERTY

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  • @ldsense That's quite a claim, and since you made no attempt to explain it, or even summarize it, I doubt it.

  • Dr. Ron Paul explains things honestly and with courage. You just don't hear these things out of most politicians.

  • Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are the only 2012 candidates who respect the Constitution.

  • @mbs145 True, but the media portrays Johnson as "un-presidential" and Ron Paul as a lunatic, and as a result they wont get much exposure.

  • @coupdedeus THEN We THE People MUST get the word out TO THE ENTIRE WORLD as to THE LIES of THE CORPORATE OWNED MEDIA & CORPORATE OWNED US Federal Govt has been USURPED BY THE CRIMINALLY INSANE! Take a look around LOOK AT THE FACTS! & CURRENT EVENTS! the DOPE on Clinton wasnt Monica! LOOK AT THE CLINTON Fam drug running & $ money laundering! THE BUSH Fam are one of the many anti-Christ's! Soetoro! NOTHING BUT LIES! THESE abominations ARE & MUST BE EXPOSED! Ron Paul is our ONLY HOPE for LIBERTY!

  • I don't like how low res video makes peoples skin look blotchy from time to time. (some people say the blotches are proof that a person is a shape shifter reptilian but it's really just the video sampling.) Is there a better resolution version of this interview?

  • RON PAUL’S DEBATE DAY MONEY BOMB!! MAY 5, 2011!! Google + RonPaul2012

  • I don't agree with his stance on drugs. He makes it seem as though it only effects the people doing the drugs, when it actually effects much more than that. My dad was a drug addict which has caused all sorts of issues within my family. I had family members that did drugs, went driving and killed innocent people. The war on drugs needs to back off on medicinal situations among other things, but I certainly don't feel like it's something that should be state controlled.

  • @Tenkai218 Exactly. This is the big problem with libertarians. Drugs were all legal before. The social problems caused society to turn against them. Either solution is fraught with problems.

  • @ambidextrality You're missing the point. No body is saying drug use isn't a social problem or ever was. What Ron Paul is saying is that it isn't the governments role to do anything about it because it just ends up making the problem worse and undermines personal liberties.

  • @amanuscar There will ALWAYS be people who do things that are problems for other people. Therefore, you will always have some kind of force used to try to stop it. Drugs are one of those problems. They used to be legal. They became a problem. We tried the do-nothing approach before. If it's not the governments job, then who's job is it to fix problems? Vigilantes? You're making a utopia fallacy. We either have a perfect civil-liberty solution or we do nothing.

  • @Tenkai218 I'll do whatever drugs I want, thank you very much. If my family has a problem with it then they can help me seek treatment. Just because some people abuse drugs doesn't mean we need laws to control them. There are peaceful, non-violent, more effective ways to deal with drugs than using thugs like the DEA. Come on.

  • Ron Paul is the most impressive presidential candidate I've ever seen.

  • @Jotto999 cuz media bias on both sides....ya thats why we have youtube!

  • He is our last hope...

  • I might not totally agree with Ron paul here (mostly do), but he is extremely smart and informed on the issues. Notice how he qualifies his statements. "I would have no problem with a state law..." or "The government can't legislate virtue"

    That last one is very interesting. He realizes that governments can and do legislate morality (prohibition of murder is legislating morality), but understand that most people mean virtue when they say the govt. can legislate morality.

  • @migkillertwo Actually murder violates ones right to LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Murder is supported when it comes to defending our rights. Doctors are not convicted for murdering unborn people but destroy an eagles egg or two and your in big trouble. So i guess people need to become endangered for fetus kills to be considered illegal. Also morality is a virtue. like honor, forgiveness, loyalty, compassion, wisdom, individualism, etc.. Gov only pretends, and or deceive in this area

  • @failderhorn Fine, then since the fetus is a full human, it can get a job and take care of itself and get out of my fucking uterus.

  • @ambidextrality Or maybe you should just be more careful when you're having sex. If you get pregnant it's your fault, you can't act like it's okay to toss out an unborn child simply because you want to be selfish.

    Let's just say you want to have a baby. Someone stabs you in the stomach and kills your unborn child. Would you want that person to get charged with murder to stay in prison for the rest of their life or just get sent to prison for a couple years, sense it wasn't really a human?

  • @Tenkai218 Sperm is a lot of unborn children too. Not human or a murder. I don't care who's fault. It is not a human, it is an under developed parasite with no sentient brain yet. It therefore shouldn't be treated as a fully developed human being with rights. It's selfish on your part to expect ALL pregnancies to go unaborted. Prison is filled with unwanted children from single moms. Bringing a child into the world that you have NO capacity to care for and DON'T want for "god" is selfish.

  • @ambidextrality Trying to call sperm an unborn child is way over simplifying things. First off sperm is a cell with a very low chance of ever becoming a human, and it only has 23 chromosomes while a human- and fetus has 46.

    I'm not fully against abortion, I'm not against the morning after pill either. Regardless as to whether or not something has thought yet is pointless when it will have thought. It's not about something being a potential human being it's about something that WILL be.

  • @Tenkai218 A sperm Will be a human when it enters an egg and eventually grows into a human. It WILL be. it's the same things. You're the one over simplifying that something that WILL be, therefore IS. But you admit that it is not. If it is NOT then it shouldn't be treated like it is.

  • @Tenkai218 If something that will be, or that could be, is treated like something that is, that would mean two bricks makes a house. Now I want $200,000 for a pile of bricks that I call a house, because it could be a house one day.

  • @ambidextrality Thanks for letting me know any conversation with you is a waste of time with this retarded comment.

    A pile of bricks do not = a potential human life. You can't just substitute a simple example such as that in comparison to something like a birthing of a human.

    My wife was an unwanted fetus once, but the woman had enough morals to go through with the birth and put her up for adoption. She's had a profound effect on the lives of many. Try to compare that to a pile of bricks.

  • @Tenkai218 It's called an analogy, moron. A pile of bricks is no more a house than a pile of cells is a human. All those sperms are potential life too. If they don't come to fruition, there's plenty of other fish in the sea. You'd have probably found another wife. The mother is hear already, and she should get to decide what parasite can host on her body.

  • @ambidextrality It's a poor analogy. We're all just a pile of cells. A better analogy would be more like an incomplete house. The foundation is set, the walls are up, the roof is built. It just needs the plumbing and interior. Just because it's missing a few nails doesn't mean it's any less a house to someone. A baby shouldn't have to simply be pushed out of a vagina to be considered a human being.

  • @Tenkai218 An incomplete house is not a house. There are different phases of a house, and the earliest stages are still not a house. We have building codes that regulate what a house is before it can be inhabited. Just because you choose to live in a pile of shit doesn't mean that it's an ethical thing to force people to do to fetuses. Some fetuses are retarded, some are mass murderers. You don't plant it in a pot of soil. It takes a "village." Without that intention you develop criminals.

  • @ambidextrality And yeah I probably could have found another wife, but I doubt they would have been as amazing. Like I said, my wife has had very positive effect on many peoples lives, things that wouldn't have happened if she wasn't around. Everyone deserves the chance to live and to make a difference in the world. Just because someone is reliant on another to survive doesn't make them any less a human. Calling them a parasite doesn't make them any less alive, either.

  • @Tenkai218 Your wife wasn't aborted. Neither was Hitler. You can't predict the future and you can't say everyone deserves to have a chance when the everyone you're speaking of DOES NOT EXIST. Everyone deserves not to be starving too. You can't legislate that everyone has parents and a wonderful life. Just because you love your wife doesn't mean that everyone can't have abortions. Forced unwanted children creates poverty, defective humans, and criminals. Can drag horses, but can't make drink.

  • @ambidextrality Just for clarification, I'm not religious either so keep your "god" BS to yourself. I don't have to believe in something divine to realize we were all once fetuses and not one of us would want to have been aborted. When you abort someone your aborting the potential for something great.

    The children being unwanted is also BS. Babies get adopted all the time in america, the vast majority of orphans are kids that were given up when they were older. That's just parents being dumb.

  • @Tenkai218 No. Statistics show that prisoners are from single parent homes. Statistics show that when abortion was decriminalized, the crime rate dropped dramatically in NY. Sperm has the potential to be life too. There's a lot of what could have been. Just because something could be wonderful doesn't mean that people should be forced to have children. A fetus is not a human when a sperm touches an egg. It just isn't, so stop being so friggin crazy and treating it as such.

  • Legalize drugs and prostitution. if you don't like them don't engage in those activities. FREEDOM

  • @Ddstairclimber Drugs were all legal before, and addiction was a big social issue. Ron Paul doesn't seem to realize that.

  • @ambidextrality That doesn't mean government should force me not to smoke marijuana or take LSD. That's a ridiculous non-sequitor. Drugs = social problem does NOT = government must enforce drug laws. Government is violence, there are peaceful, ethical ways to deal with drug addiction.

  • @amanuscar Sometimes violence is needed. Be it the government or Vigilantes. people addicted to drugs are irresponsible, and don't pay rent. someone has to evict them. Sorry, but you're always going to have the issue of using force against people. You're making a genetic fallacy: Force = always wrong.

  • @ambidextrality

    No one's making a fallacy, EACH PERSON has a right to their life, liberty & property & they've a right to do WHATEVER they want AS LONG AS they DON'T impinge on someone else's rights. Using drug isn't violating anyone's rights, if that person commits crime THEN govt must step in & adjudicate but banning drugs only causes violence, it creates & enriches Al Capones. Read more about Alcohol Prohibition & how it caused violence & gangsterism & eventually govt decriminalized alcohol

  • @ambidextrality If someone does not pay rent and he is on your property you have the right to defend and protect your property, therefore the use of force is justified.

  • "Governments can't protect from themselves." Why is he not president again?

  • @Tasadaru Because unfortunately his own party mates wont take him seriously. 

  • @Tasadaru Because "Change! Hope! Chanope! Hoange! Obama!!!!"

    That's why.

  • This man knows his stuff

  • Why isn't this man president?

  • @C0nstellati0ns Because god hates us all.

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  • @Pinin500 Hey Mr. Capslock, you are a failure and show everyone here the results of poor or no education. If we want your opinion, we will give you one. Now run along child and let the adults talk now.

  • @C0nstellati0ns Because people need to vote in their caucuses and primaries. In order to do that many states require that you register sometimes 2+ months in advance. Check out your polling places and get the vote in there.

  • @C0nstellati0ns ,,,I love ron pauls message

  • Paul/Stossel 2012!

    

  • If you don't like Ron Paul...there IS something wrong with you.

  • I've always been curious to see how much money California would make if they legalized weed and taxed it.

  • As a Libertarian, I like what Ron Paul has to offer. Why should the government tell us not to do drugs? It should be our decision whether we want to do the drugs or not. The government spends too much money on putting people in jail on drug charges. They need to spend more time putting away people in prisons for violent crimes. I like the idea Ron Paul said of giving the States more power on what the laws should be for drugs. I've always been curious to see how much money California would bring

  • John Stossel's understanding competition in capitalism is on the level of LEMONADE STAND.

    Capitalism has no respect for truth or human rights. If stossel wasn't paid big bucks he would smell the coffee, or rather his dirty socks in trailer park,, lol.

  • @PawelKolasa but that is largely how it works, the principle of capitalism as the principle of freedom is simple, yet powerfull. supply and demand works well from the "lemonade stand" to the large stock market, or the trade among huge companies or markets. you seem to have never taken an economics class. capitalism may not be perfect. but i don see how it has no respect for human rights

  • @PawelKolasa what, some dumbass bureaucrat knows what you want better than yourself?

    Sorry bro, socialism is an economic dinosaur that is on its last legs with the current administration. Free markets are inhumane, but governments are absolutely barbaric. Every single socialist government has failed.

    And before you try to sound educated and cite Sweden, Sweden has actually been shifting to free markets since the late '80's.

  • @PawelKolasa human rights and capitalism are not contradictory ideas. no sweat shop in any part of the world that is linked to big corporations have any control over whether or not those people work there. They choose to work there because they provide the largest paying jobs available. As those countries develop the mutual benefit provided to both the business and the workers makes it so that the once poor people have greater means to improve there lives.

  • @PawelKolasa I echo what jubeikiba6 is saying and would add that the reason there are sweat shops and huge corporations taking advantage of impovershed countries is because of government manipulation of markets. Governments tax business, create tarrifs, etc... and so businesses go overseas to avoid having to fork over their profits. What we have now is called Corporatism, not Capitalism.

  • Ron Paul is a hero. But remember, it's not him, its his IDEAS that are worth fighting for. Don't get too carried away.

  • whyy...WHy...why didn't I hear about Ron sooner? He is amazing!

  • @dapperswindler you should seen his earlier video in 1980's and 1990's, you can always disagree with him, but he never changed!

  • Maybe Ron Paul can run against Obama in 2012

  • I just smoked a blunt came back and this was on a shuffle. Ron Paul is blowing my mind.

  • Did this air on TV?

  • RON PAUL ROCKS

  • I think Stossel is a fake libertarian, he's good on some issues but he still won't admit our GMO food is toxic and our water is flouridated..

  • Sex is legal. Buy is legal. Why is buying sex illegal?

    According to some sources, about 15% of the population are homosexual. If they are not allow to get marry, is that discrimination?

    Miss handling gun is dangerous. Gun related killing is in the thousands. Then why are guns legal? Conceal carry is legal in 36 states. Why is heroin, marijuana, etc illegal?

  • @kkra3 Because people like to use the pyramid scheme known as government to control things to their interest. Governments have authority of law and taxation and therefor they're a huge source of power and money. Pharmaceutical companies and prisons benefit from the drug war, cops and other agencies of the government also benefit from the drug war and prostitution.

  • Ron Paul, I don't think u will get elected now. Try like after 20 years.....

  • GO RON PAUL!!

  • @No1Rides4Free Well you said how you feel, got any logical reason backing it?

  • what a fucking idiot! Ron paul can say this shit because whites make up 75% of America. yall control everything. And when someone like RP starts up like this you fell empowered even more because you already control shit. Let see the white population shrink to 12% and then talk about segregating your so-called private business. bullshit. Motherfuckers in power play this self serving game all the time.

  • @flirtwd are you serious? We have a black president ok, during the campaign there were black celebrities who used their powerful controlling influence to get him votes. The attorney general is black, theres a black guy on the supreme court so you saying that whites control everything is just not true. That actually sounds just as racist to be honest.

  • @flirtwd you are so ignorant to what privatization does

  • OMFG! That Ron Paul is as A moral as they come. All civilizations have rules and if you break them the community tears you up.

    Look, the whites like Ron Paul privatizes their life from the rest of the world like blacks, homosexuals etc. but socializes the bullshit for everyone else and then says the federal government shouldn't step in. Of course not. Because the underlying reason is so those whites can watch the uninitiated burn! That is the plan.

  • @flirtwd your own life is supposed to be privatized, you can't have the govt run every aspect of it. And nowhere has he mentioned anything about socialism he's more for going the other way and getting the govt out of everything.

  • @flirtwd I'm just going to assume you are fucking with us..

  • John Stossel is a racist.

  • @grenadianmed who isnt?

  • Ron Paul is the fucking man!! he is right about everything. Our controlled mainstream media love to keep damn near invisible. The head honchos dont want him elected because that means they would have less control over the American People. I can tell you this if stupid fucking Americans don't wake up and make this man our president say goodbye to your freedom. Hell, you already have! Wake up people before it's too late. HOW ABOUT A REAL FUCKING CHANGE!

  • Ron Paul 2012. I hope america woud make the right decision for once.

  • @squanto2 And your a moron :3!

    You shall be struck by the power of free market! May god have mercy on your soul >:D

  • Ron Paul is the man!

  • People who think someone is a bad man or has similar views to someone that agrees or supports that person without ever meeting him is fucking retarded.

    If you are that person, please kill yourself now. You will be helping humanity.

  • man, our country needs this man more than ever.

    too bad the PROGRESSIVES AND NEO-CONS won't allow it to happen.

    damnit!

  • Ron Paul is a very smart man. To bad not many Americans believe in the constitution like he does. Ron Paul for president 2012!!

  • @Orangeokie7 Well if the Federal Gov't should be getting out of State affairs even to the point of children mainlining heroine or lighting up a dooby, what is his stand on a State that wants to secede from the Union? Is that a State affair too?

  • @indoctus41 According to the constitution yes it is.

  • @jeremyraybrown I know in other countries the stand taken by governments is that there is nothing in their constitution that's allows for the dissolution of the country. Don't know if that's an argument consistent with the US Constitution.

  • @indoctus41 +1

  • @Orangeokie7 Paul/Stossel 2012.

  • @Orangeokie7 AUSTRALIAN COMING TO AMERICA TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM AND LIBERTY

    I'm an Australian and coming to America to fight for freedom and liberty on the Ron Paul 2012 campaign to restore your constitution. I am documenting my entire journey on libertyeverafter [dot] com

    If you can offer any assistance in terms of friendship, accommodation advice or part time work, please email Nick, info [@] libertyeverafter. com

  • Ron Paul for president; John Stossel can be vice president

  • seconded

  • Ive said it before and I will say it again. Ron Paul is awesome.

  • a macist? Oh boy, as if playing the race card worked. If it did, ted kennedy would still be alive right now.

    And As if libtards don't censor. Speaking of nazi's obama is killing innocent muslims in the middle eat. Prepare for swastika shaped windmills.

    You're libtarded whinning has no validity. If you're truely concerned with not supporting tyrannies, why hasn't obama brought the troops home instead of sending mercs to go on sniping sprees, & doubling the number of drones.

  • @toknow07

    He hates Jews? That's why two of his greatest influences and men that he looked up to are Murray Rothbard and Ludwig Von Mises, who are Jews?

    Stop making yourself look silly by resulting to feeble arguments.

  • I will look into that.

    But why dont you look at his Jew Hating supporters like dave duke?

  • I understand your concern, but he cannot control the minds and actions of a few bad apples! As a minority who has supported Paul since his run two years ago, trust me, his support is much more than that. Check out LibertyForest(dot)com or Daily Paul for a better view of who supports him.

  • A good thing about him is that is speeches are posted online and could be found on youtube you could type "ron paul blacks" "ron paul isreal" and see for yourslef. (I always see him stick up for the Arabs (who are NOT citizens of this county) and never see him say anything GOOD about Israel or Jews.

    Anyways he has never proven to stand up to anything he says because he was never in any office.

  • @toknow07 I don't know what you have been listening to, but he is really hard on the Saudi's role in the terrorist attacks around the world. He blasts them regularly about not policing their country and ridding it of these people who find safe harbor there and practice and train for their terrorist acts. Check out the Ron Paul and Bill O'Reilly interview and you'll hear is views on the Arabs.

  • @coleyman1

    Which exact video are you reffering to? do you have a link

    (I just found a video in 2007 that he tells Bill that it will take Iran at least 10 Years more to build a Nuclear Weapon

  • He is more concerned with state rights than individual rights.

  • @logloglife

    At least he cares more abought individual rights then his son dous. somtimes i cant tell the diffrence between rand paul and some lying teacon Cought cough Neo con

  • For the record, my asterisk was to denote that fact could be wrong. I highly doubt my European history would be as sharp as yours, much like your American history would take 2nd place to mine; it's just where we live.

    I clearly throw my hands up and say I could be wrong on my 'absotute monarchy' point - feel free to correct.

  • The environmental/uranium concern is void, now that we have that explanation. That company dropping that in my water infringes on me because it infracts upon me.

  • What are you going to do about it though?

    Hire a lawyer out of your own pocket, and have the "freedom" to go bankrupt. Will the company play fare, will they hire a cheap lawyer too, to give you a chance?

    I think they'll bury you in the name of "freedom".

    I'd open a factory in your world and grind asbestos clutches without any form of safety gear (like in the third world), what the fuck if the people working there are going to die?

    Who's going to stop me, who's going to regulate?

    Freedom?

  • Most lawyers would line up, free of charge to take on a class action lawsuite for the urnaium and asbestos examples. They know that's a win and would take their fee off of the top of the settlement.

    In both the urnanium/asbestos examples, we're talking about the unconstitutional infringment of civil rights.

    Capitalism fixes that factory. Shitty conditions, people don't work there and they go out of business. Factories then create better conditions to attact more free people to work there.

  • lol, history shows different.

    I'd merely roll up the business and move on somewhere else, or hire armies of lawyers to tie everyone down in litigation.

    Or course without Health and Safety legislation other people would open other equally dangerous factories, clean up on the profits and then move on. The poor have the "freedom" to die young so I can live on a hill.

    Love the way you use the word "freedom", to mean, early death and exploitation, lol.

  • Your factory argument is unrealistic. You haven't given an example why free people would continue to work under those condiitions; they'd go elsewhere and by default the market would incentivize, by default, anyone who opened a factory with better working conditions.

  • poverty, that's why people do it, because without welfare, it's work or starve.

    There are always too many people for any particular job.

  • Main point that you keep missing - the gov't should FORCE it's citizen to pay for what protects them - police, military and judicial system. THAT IS THE ONLY JUSTIFIABLE FUNCTION OF GOV'T.

    Secondly, after my tax dollars are taken for that, guess what? I am FREE to CHOOSE to donate how ever much money I want to donate to any one of many charitable causes.

    It is a historical fact that the more money that a nation's citizens have, the more money that is donated to charitable causes.

  • Well one comment is to hardly "keep missing" the point.

    But explain your argument, freedoms great, but you don't have the "freedom" to be ruled by another country, or at least not fight for the government that does nothing for you?

    By what metric do you choose, Police, military or judicial system, they are all systems that limit "freedom" surely?

    Why them, and not environment? Or don't you mind if the privately run nuclear facility drops uranium into your local river?

  • We should have the freedom to do what we choose, but not be hindered by others. IE you can swing your fists as much as you want but your right to do so ends where the next man's nose begins.

    Police, military and judicial system serve to only protect the rights of individuals; the police in the streets, the military stops foreign invasion and judicial system settles contractual desputes and serves to sentence when those rights violations occur.

  • Yes but you'd concede that conscription is wrong in any circumstance wouldn't you, all armies should be volunteer armies, and if enough people don't volunteer, then they've chosen the "freedom" to be invaded. After all the foreign army might have an agenda that benefits the societies marginalised, and they might like the "freedom" not to be pressed into fighting.

    Or doesn't "freedom" include the poor having a choice? That's the way it usually works.

  • All armies must be volunteers. A military draft if absolutely statist- an individual's life, to him, is worth more than the state, not the other way around.

    Droves of free citizens always show up to DEFEND when the US is attacked; WW2, 9/11. Not enough people signed up for Vietnam, instead of wondering why and realizing we had no busienss in that way, they drafted and sentenced young men to death.

    Didn't follow your 'poor' question, please elaborate.

  • So we're agreed then, if not enough people turn up to fight an invader, because they can't be bothered, or use the "freedom" they've got to decide not to fight, the USA should just be invaded?

    Fine by me

    They used the press in WW2, don't you think they should have?

  • 25 out of over 230+ years there was a military draft but outside of that it's always been on a volunteer basis. People have always made a choice to enlist in our armed forces, you're not making any sense.

  • So you concede that if enough people didn't turn up to fight, because for instance they feel they have no society to look to, no cities because there slums burnt down, because there were no fire regulations, or people to enforce them, they should be "free", not to fight. Even if the USA is going to lose (which could happen)

    How does that not make sense?

    Wars are mass wars now, 20 guys sharing muskets doesn't cut in any more.

  • @canisfamilliaris - please keep socialized medicine overseas. Enjoy the higher taxes you pay so much more to your gov't than we do.

  • @curryay

    But a large majority of Americans don't like dying just because they're poor, or filled out the form wrong.

    It's the most unchristian system I've ever heard of. An affront to any Christian nation, it's strange how Americans like to rabbit on about Jesus all the time, whilst condemning the poor to death.

    I don't remember the bit in the gospels that said, make sure the rich are ok, and let everyone else die from curable diseases, I missed that bit, lol.

  • @canisfamilliaris - you have obviously never been to this side of the Atlantic or at least not recently because America isn't ruled by christianity. Yes it there is a strong majority that is christian but your country actually inspired us a couple hundred years ago to have a seperation of church and state.

  • @canisfamilliaris

    Dont bring christianity into a political debate about poor vs rich. For most of the church's history it has been stealing from the poor and downtrodden. If you have a point to make then make it but dont bring YOUR religion into it.

  • @fieldman07

    I'll bring what I like into the debate thank you.

    You remained a libertarian for how long, 35 seconds was it?

    Ron Paul's vision is not a Christian one, it's as simple as that. Jesus would weep to see such a world.

  • @canisfamilliaris

    Did I ever say I was lebertarian?

  • @canisfamilliaris

    Im not even going to bother arguing anymore. You basically said that god thinks Ron Paul is wrong and therefore I am wrong. How is anybody supposed to respond to that? If your religion says that god wants socialism then I can't argue. Thats why I wanted religion out of this.

    So Nevermind. Have a nice day.

  • Marijuana has a counter effect against fear & stress.

    This is why it is not legal.

    Fear and stress are forms of CONTROL.

    This is why it isn't grown and sold to you.

    Some people prefer that you remain in fear, and stressed.

    Its really very simple.

    If it was a health issue, well.... alcohol deaths? Tobacco deaths?

    How many die from this herb? It is the effects on the person who smokes it that is a concern, not the chemical THC.

  • There are mushrooms that can heal too. And they also are illegal.

    Your not allowed to have a healthy pineal gland.

    So propaganda, says its a hallucinogenic, a dangerous drug.

    And this is accurate. It is dangerous for them, but not you.

    DMT is very good for your pineal gland, it can be a miracle working gland if it wasn't calcified by the time you reach early teens.

    You wont find much truth about the purpose of this gland, you not allowed to know. They do and you don't.

  • When I listen to Ron Paul's views on so many different issues,I can see why he favors less onerous drug laws;

  • Stossel is a has been.

  • with a new show on fox business that is getting better ratings than any tool on msnbc...

    whatever.

  • I like how Stossel tries to disagree with Ron, but he agrees completely with him.

  • he's not "trying to disagree," jackhole...its called playing devil's advocate and its what any reporter worth his/her salt does.

  • The whole underlying context of what Ron Paul believes in and why its so shocking is because his philosophy is that people should actually be responsible for their own actions.

    God forbid the day that if we screw up, we don't have some safety net to catch us, gov't program to bail us out, or corporation to blame in court.

  • That's right, kid has downs syndrome, tough luck, you should have been responsible

    Wife gets cancer, hard on you bud, better ditch her and get a new one

    Lose your mind, can't earn a living, trouble dealing with manic depression, that's hard guy, welcome to the bottom of the heap

    Country attacked by a foreign power, you're choice, you're a free individual, you can refuse the draft, collaborate with the enemy, if he gives you a chance of a better life.

    What no, some freedom is too much?

  • @canisfamilliaris - kid has downs syndrome? yes, that is your responsibility.

    Your wife gets cancer, yes buy your own medical insurance. Mental disability, imbalanced chemicals in your brain? Yes seek help and again, buy your own health insurance.

    Country attacked? That's one of the few justifiable reasons to have a gov't - stop foreign invaders. Military drafts should be illegal- if people aren't siging up, maybe you're not fighting for the right reasons.

    Are you saying freedom is bad?

  • "kid has downs syndrome? yes, that is your responsibility",

    how humane, what freedom, sounds brilliant to me, can't imagine why people don't vote for that in their droves, oh hang on, yes I can.

    The trouble with medical insurance is they try to wriggle out of paying, people don't seem to like that, that's democracy.

    "Country attacked? That's one of the few justifiable reasons to have a gov't"

    But surely you should have the "freedom" to not fight? don't you like freedom?