@561buRnz407 Tarver aint get robbed, if u watch da fight Roy won 7 rounds at least, its just ge wasnt dominated by Roy like he usually does his opponents, n Oscar wasnt no real threat at middleweight, he was a lightweight when he started, but wat im not understandin is how is BHOP kept hollin he wanted fight Roy from da moment dey fought but Roy offered him 9 million (4 times mo den he had made 2 dat point) several different times n turned it down, wat does dat sound like 2 u
@561buRnz407 yea he was a much better fighter den BUT HE WAS NEVER A BETTER FIGHTER DEN ROY N HIS PRIME!!! He would not have won, Bhop beat a smaller Oscar De la Hoya, n Trinidad ill give him credit 4, Roy beat BHOP, TONEY (whom BHOP is still runnin from), Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, Tarver, n Trinidad also
@LilT08 First of all.. Bhop fought Oscar at middleweight.. Idk how you call that a smaller Oscar
And I cant believe you mentioned Tarver.. Tarver won all 3 times.. 2 legit, and that first one he got robbed.. Everybody knew that plus Tarver KOed him
Nobody talks about VIrgil Hill or Reggie Johnson..
And that Trinidad fight was like a Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis fight.. That was fight was long overdue and they both were washed up
@561buRnz407 not sure what fight you wacthed the 1st jones/tarver but i was 100% with the HBO scoring. you CANNOT win a fight by fighting for 30sec per round and the 2+mins lettign him pot shot you.. tarver COULD have won. jones was clearly weight drained but he was just to damn lazy.and no, not everyone know that tarver won. most people think roy did. becuz he did. landed more punches and like i said tarver was to damn lazy. hill and johnson were both good fighters.
Jonesfag has dodged the good fighters all his career...Once he gave Tarver a chance he got a gift tha second and third times good spankings This fuckhead was destroyed by Johnson fuck this cowardasshole
Bernard Hopkins wouldnt have beat no Roy Jones at der peak, Roy beat him wit ONE HAND n der first meetin EASILY!!! He wouldve punished hopkins n 2002 SIMPLE!!!
@LilT08 Bruh B Hop was a much better fighter in 2002 than in 1993 when he fought Roy .. Check B Hop's resume, He beat hall of famers like Oscar De La Hoya, Trinidad .. Roy cant say the same
@Nate187um R u serious, wat did hopkins do dat was so special dat wouldve beat Roy, he only had 1 great punch, a overhand right!!! Look up a story where hopkins turned down 9 million to fight Roy twice (once n 2002 n da second was before he signed to fight tarver 4 half as much to fight Roy)!! He was scared of Roy
Roy didn't want the rematch or he would of took it. B-Hops resume>>>>>>roys and b hop wasn't even in his prime in the 1st fight...once b hop hit his prime roy didn't want none
@Nate187,no, Hopkins didn't want the rematch. If he did, he would have accepted the 40:60 split, which is all he deserved. Jones was the bigger PPV attraction, the recognized p4p number one, it would have been HIS Light-Heavyweight title on the line at a catchweight (a joke in the days of 17 weight classes) and he'd already beaten Hopkins once. There's no way that Hopkins deserved more than 40 percent and he knew it. Avoided the fight and blamed it on Jones 'pricing himself out.' Sure, Bernard!
@RihannasBikeSeat Bullshit. Hopkins had nothing to lose in the rematch, jones did have something to lose though. & Hopkins felt like he deserved 50 because of what he had accomplished since. Jones resume is a joke compared to Hopkins. Hopkins didn't even have a amateur career and fought jones in his 22nd fight and went the full 12 rounds. Once he hit his prime jones wanted no parts. Hopkins losing again would of been nowhere near as damaging as jones losing career wise.
@Nate187um, if Hopkins genuinely believed he was worth a 50:50 split then he was clearly deluded. But I suspect the truth is he knew he didn't deserve 50:50 at all, so used it as a barrier in negotiations. The fact that you're saying that Jones had it all to lose proves my point for me - he was 'the man.' He was the draw, the champion. Their career resumes are very close (you're foolish in calling Jones' a joke whatever the context) but in 2002, there was no comparison, Jones was well ahead.
@RihannasBikeSeat Jones resume is a joke compared to hopkins. theres no denying that. Jones has been garbage for the last what....8 years...while hopkins is still holding it down and he's older. B-Hop in is prime>>>>>>>>>>>>roy jones jr by far.
@Nate187um, don't be ridiculous. Jones had an almost Robinson-eque run lasting a whole decade where he was consistently viewed as a tip top p4p fighter, as in everyone's top 3 with no questions asked. Who else has managed that? At the time of his Heavyweight title, there was talk amongst many that he was the greatest since Robinson. That bubble has since burst, but in his prime Jones was dominant in a way that Hopkins simply never was. Would add that their level of opposition is similar, too.
@RihannasBikeSeat B-Hop is a better BOXER than Roy. If Roy wasn't exciting people could care less for him. When he lost his speed his real BOXING skills showed and he has a glass jaw.
@Nate187um, Hopkins was a better conventional boxer in one sense, sure, but that doesn't mean he was better overall at their respective primes. Joe Louis was a better technician and had better fundamentals than Ali - but like Ali, Jones was an unorthodox fighter. Doesn't mean he wasn't still a great one. Hopkins has longevity thanks to his textbook technique, sure, but at his prime Jones hit heights which Hopkins simply never has. And as I said, in 2002, there was literally no comparison.
@RihannasBikeSeat whats heights??? Hopkins defended his middleweight title a RECORD 20 TIMES. Roy Jones was just flashy. Like i said when he lost his speed his true skills showed. Hopkins is 46 and still holding it down against fighters 20 years younger than him.
@Nate187um, for the last time, I'm not saying Hopkins isn't great - I'm saying that Jones is. But as for Jones' heights - well he beat Hopkins, and then scored a nigh-on total shutout of the (then) top 3 p4p Toney, a superb performance. Reigned for a long time at 175 lb, unifying belts and barely losing a round. First man in 106 years to have been a Middleweight champion and then take a Heavyweight title. And as I said, nobody this side of WW2 has had a longer reign as a tip top p4p fighter.
@RihannasBikeSeat AGAIN, ROY JONES WANTED NO PARTS, I REPEAT NO PARTS OF A PRIME BERNARD HOPKINS. He beat hokpins early in his career out of jail when he didn't even have an amateur career. Hopkins will go down as the better fighter.
@Nate187um, he offered him a 60:40 deal - how does that equate to wanting 'no part' of Hopkins in 2002? Honestly, you're living in a fantasy world if you think Hopkins was worth 50:50. He should have taken Jones' offer - he didn't. As for who will go down in history as greater, well I'm not saying you're wrong in saying that Hopkins will be remembered more, but I think only time will tell. There's little in it. Personally, I'd edge towards Roy.
@RihannasBikeSeat lmao that wasn't a real offer. He just said that cause hopkins was airing him out LIVE ON TV. Again Roy was just flashy. His true skill showed when he slowed down and his glass jaw got exposed. Hopkins is 46 and well, still Bernard Hopkins. to this very day. Hopkins is the better BOXER. Roy is the better ENTERTAINER.
@Nate187um, it was a real offer, are you denying that Hopkins could have taken it? He could have, but didn't. Again, I'll stress that Hopkins is the better technician, but that doesn't mean he should automatically rank higher. Jones' peak was better. Either way, I can see we'll never agree - but regardless, Merry Christmas mate, and a Happy New Year. Hope we collide on some opinion-dividing vids in 2012! Take care, fellow boxing fan.
I bet roy wish he fought him back then for his bhops rematch cos roy was still in his prime but instead he waited too long and bhop beat a washed up roy jones
@pearcemark2 When he was n prison he boxed also n was da jailhouse champion!!! He wasnt new 2 boxing!!! So u mean 2 tell me if he had fought Roy round dis time hopkins would have won???
@FreshTidef I HATE when ppl say he was green or he wasnt "ready"!!! HOW WASNT BHOP "not at his peak" HE WAS DA #1 middleweight n da world n Roy was #2!!! his only lost before Roy was 2 a LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT!!! He was 22-0 against middleweights before he fought Roy wit 16 kos!!! Roy was just HEAD N SHOULDERS MORE TALENTED dem him, give him his props!!! He beat B Hop ass n it wouldve been worse n 02'
This made me love boking for a short time period. One of the most classic conversations that I have seen since being on this Earth and watching boxing. "60/40 I whoop that..." is classic. Though Jr didnt end up being the greatest he sure was entertaining.
You judge fighters based on what they accomplished in their primes.Roy is the former Middle,Super Middle Weight,Light Weight & Heavyweight Champion of the World.I think he was 35 when he won the Heavy Weight Title.He fought his career going between 90 and 110mph.He took a lot of chances and was very impressive.Bernard dominated 1 weight class until he was 41.Then moved up to challenge him self further.Bernard has a long career but his performances arent nearly as impressive.
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Bernard's career is FAR more impressive than Roy's. Roy didn't have any big wins besides Hopkins, Toney, and Ruiz.
Hopkins has better wins since his 40+ years old move up to light heavy than Jones did in his light heavy prime. When the history books are written, Roy is that guy who didn't have any technique but was really fast and cocky, whereas B-Hop was the masterful technician who executed his opponents with picture perfect boxing.
The only thing impressive about Bernards wins after 40 is that he defeated young strong opponents whom happened to hold titles.Were looking at Taylor,Tarver,Pavlik & Pascal.I cant say that these fighters were built on anything.Tarver & Pavlik were held up 2 the light basically off of key wins Tarver-Jones,Pavlik Taylor.
Bernard biggest win came against Trinidad when B Hop was 37yrs old.That's 2yrs after the age that fighters have given all that they have to offer the sport con..
con..Where as Roy,Mosley,Floyd,Trinidad,ect..At the time that Roy was fighting at Light Heavy there wasn't any big fights North of Super Middle Weight.It was dry from that division on up to Heavyweight.Roy was the best thing going in any division he stepped foot in.The biggest fights were from 147 on down to 130 during that era..I'm simply saying that Roy,Shane,Floyd shifted gears with peak performances through out their careers & didn't use Cruise Control con..
In Roy you have an athlete whom pushed him self and put it all on the line early in his career with highly impressive performances.Were talking highly skilled with a string of impressive Knock Out Wins.In Bernard we have an athlete whom since the age of 37 has challenged him self later in his career.Through out his career he has done the speed limit between 55-65 miles per hr.Therefore a lack of impressive fights.His cautiousness and Intelligence have contributed to his later yrs.
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Bernard didn't have a choice but to challenge himself late. He was in prison when Roy and most other boxers were having a fantastic amateur career. Bernard didn't get that luxury. He started late and had to learn on the job. Roy was lucky to catch him pre-prime when he was still building his style. As far as Roy "putting it all on the line", I have to disagree. He was absolutely a safety first fighter, and demanding a 60-40 split for a rematch isn't "putting it on the line".
B Hop didn't really want to face Roy when they were negotiating for a rematch in the early 2000's.B wanted to move up and face Roy for his 175lb Crowns.B wanted a 50/50 split which was non sense.60/40 was a fair deal.But B wanted to be compensated if he lost to Jones which was likely.That's why the rematch didn't happen until 2010 lol Once B knew for sure that Roy was a shell of the fighter that he once was.
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Don't pull that revisionist history bullshit. Hopkins fought Roy when Roy stopped being an idiotic egomaniac and started getting reasonable when it comes to a fight deal. Even after he got KO'd and lost 3 in a row, he was playing douchebag money games. Good ol' Danny Green changed that quick though. All of a sudden that Hopkins fight was looking juicy as hell. Hopkins beat better competition in his middleweight reign than Jones ever did. Undefeated Glen Johnson, TKO'd.
When you speak about the career of Roy Jones great respect should be displayed.First off,when Roy won the Heavyweight Crown from a tough John Ruiz that was his last great performance.He kept moving up in weight like that because he was looking for serious challenges and it was hard to prepare him self for an average joe. He was 34 and undefeated. 34 is the age of decline.After winning the Heavyweight Crown there was nothing left for the man to prove & the hunger wasn't there.
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 34 is the age of decline if you don't have good technique and you don't have drive or passion. That's when you start getting knocked out every fight like Roy.
But if you have perfect technique, and you're smart, and you know every trick, and you can out think your opponent and win on superior technique, knowledge, and experience, who's to say when it has to end?
46 and beating men young enough to be his children. Not with a 1 punch KO, but outclassing them. Phenomenal.
By that first line I can tell that you don't know Boxing All fighters All athletes begin to decline around that age.Floyd 34 is showing decline in the Ring.If you noticed against Shane Floyd fought flat footed.It's not because he wanted too.With age a fighter begins 2 loose his legs.Floyd has been declining since the Judah fight.Roy was declining for yrs before the loss to Tarver.Its subtle things that all lead up to the big lost.Tyson began declining right after the Spinks fight.
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Are you really regurgitating Freddie Roach's observations to me right now?
There's a reason Roy declined. It wasn't a subtle thing. He was phenomenal through to Clinton Woods, slowed when he fought Ruiz, the weight drain fucked his body up, the strength and legs were gone, Tarver put him out, the confidence was gone. He fucked up. BUT, if he had technique and actually knew how to stay off/fight off the ropes, he never would've sat there eating punches like a tard.
It's as simple as this.With age fighters slow down.If they continue to fight undefeated fighters become defeated.They begin to lose to guys that if in their primes they wouldn't be worthy of carrying their belts to the ring.
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING That's a copout. You listed Tyson as being past his prime when Buster got to him, but how the fuck did he slow down due to age? He was in his 20s.
Tysons decline wasn't due to age.He had grown disinterested in the sport.I think that he was 22 when he fought Spinks.It was either the pre or post fight conference where he stated that it maybe his last fight.In Tyson you have another fighter that fought his career between 90-110mph.Tyson 1st 2yrs of his pro career he had 28 fights,25 were by KO! His 28th fight was against Trevor Berbick which made Tyson the youngest Heavy Weight Champ in History at 20yrs old.7 fights later con.
cont..7 fights later he fought Spinks.High Impact fighters accomplish so much early that they don't have much once they hit 35 or so because as we all do they slow down.Reflexes,Speed,defence ect..But in Tysons case he simply grew disinterested in the sport.His flame burned out quick.But he operated on such a high level that he continued to fight and was still more dominant than his opponents.Spinks was the last fight of vintage Tyson.After that there was a different Tyson.
Roy vacated his Light Heavyweight Titles,Moved up to Heavyweight to become Heavy Weight Champion,Then moved back down to Light Heavy Weight to regain the titles that he vacated.All in a 14 month period.The man's entire career has been like that.And keep in mind that we are talking about a natural Middle Weight in Jones.
As you stated a couple of yrs ago. The man was 35 and this was after a natural Middle Weight moved up through the weight t classes to win the most coveted titles in All of Sport.His career is different than the average fighter.You have to speak differently concerning what he has done.
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Stop hating on the greatest fighter of this era. You don't even make sense. B-Hop is like 4 years older than Roy so how he set to wait for Roy to fade. B-Hop is just better than Roy! PERIOD!
Think about it.Just think about it.Hopkins mind was pre occupied with being compensated when Roy was still in his prime so the re match didn't take place then.He waited until it was clear that Roy wasn't the same fighter before taking the fight.
Look. Bernard is pushing for a fight/Rematch with Roy.For Roy's Light Heavyweight Crowns at a catch weight.And wants a 50/50 split.Roy beat him in 93 for the vacant IBF Middle Weight Title.And the most impressive name on his roster was the recent fight with Trinidad.While B Hop remained at Middleweight for all of those yrs.Roy won titles at Middle,SuperMiddle & Light Heav.And staged far more explosive performances.The 60/40 split that Roy offered was fair.But B Hop wasn't secure.
B had 20 consecutive title defenses at Middle Weight.He had plenty of time to challenge him self.But his challenge was in breaking the defense record at that weight.And there is nothing wrong with that.Absolutely nothing! But when you begin to compare fighters and who did what certain thing's begin to stand out.
@Lacqueras lol i agree and disagree roy is my fav boxer of all time but comparin him 2 dat peice of shit is just absurd roy is the shit floyd just smells lik a turd any way gayweather is complaining about blood test and money he never once even thought about fighting manny and once manny beats mosley(( and i like mosley too)) floyds only got 2 opinons its ethier manny or retire becuz he sure in the hell isnt about to fight berto thats my disagreement i argee bcuz is always over money..smh
@TheFrezhprince3 Well, I see Jones = to Gayweather. Both they cherry picked they way up. Tell me at least 1 big name after that Jones fought after fighting Toney up to tarver?
@TheFrezhprince3 Vinny Pazienza was a recognizable name but he was completely over the hill and he fought Roy after a neck surgery if I remember corect. Mike McCallum was a fat middleweight fighting in light heavyweight division - Toney fought prime McCallum... John Ruiz? Ruiz was a complete bum but this is a perfect example of proving what i meant. When Roy came to fight for a HW title, he picked to fight Ruiz when there were Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield. I think i proved my point perfect
@Lacqueras lol ok if i did my hw correctly roy jones changelled Holyfield b4 he came 2 Ruiz matter of fact he talked 2 Evander both b4 n after he fought tyson the 2nd time. Roy even talk 2 Evander after his boout with danny sanitago fell out but evander said no becuase he didnt think it i wouldnt have mattered and roy has challanged mostly ever name you could think of tyson, haye, klitschko bros, but every1 thought he was looking 4 a quick payday, lol if its so easy shoulda made it have right?
@Lacqueras lol he did chanllege holyfeild and hell who would be scared to fight douglas at tht time??? after he nearly killed tyson hell a living prime ali wouldny have wanna him at tht time....and back to holyfeild look you can google it yahoo it wikipedia facebook twitter what ever you wanna do to research it hell ok ill even upload the vid a on youtube when roy issued the challege to holyfield after roy ko'ed griffin in there 2nd fight...
@Lacqueras Technically when he fought Ruiz, the other two champs at the time were Lennox and Byrd. Byrd beat Holyfield in late '02 so Evander didn't have a belt at the time. Even still, yes Roy negotiated with Evander for a Fall '03 fight. Roy was pissed that Evander was going to make twice as much as he did so he balked at it. That's why Toney took the Evander fight cuz he knew Evander was over the hill and it would an easy fight. In hindsight it was the worst decision Roy could have made.
@Antrizzle2009 Toney took Evander because Holyfield was the biggest fight that Toney could get at that time. Evander was 1st Toneys fight as a heavyweight and that's insane, unlike to go up to heavyweight to pick a weakest champion without ANY skills and completely no legacy. And if you think that Holyfield was easy for Toney than, damn u are over the hill too
@KravaLLT Did you watch that fight? Holyfield was beyond over the hill. Had no reflexes, Toney could see what he was throwing from a mile away. Why do you think everybody was screaming for Holyfield to retire afterwards? It was the worst performance of his career up to that point. And again, the only reason Toney got that fight was because Roy turned it down. That's been well documented.
@Antrizzle2009 Yes i've seen the fight. What I've seen was that Evander studied Toneys style, punched Toney in situations where Toney is not used to get punched, Evander fought very well but then he got frustrated seeing Toney not getting hit that much and hurt + Toney hurt him a couple of times and became the only man to stop Holyfield
@TheFrezhprince3 Hopkins said that James Toney when he fought Jones was offered a multimillion dollar contract with HBO and after Toney thinking that Jones was a garbage (which he was) came to the fight completely dehydraded and lost the decision, then Jones got that contract and started fighting undefeated unexperienced boys with a record of 15-0 and smth. Untill Tarver called him out in public calling him a ducker and a pussy because Tarver called him out for 3 years and he ducked him
@Lacqueras lol jones garbage at 168 r you kidding me?? now after 199pounds i could reason with you on that..but as a superweight joe calzage didnt wanna see him, james toney didint even wanna remacth what did he do he moved up in weight 2 lightheavyweight and where did jones go same weight class after he destroyed evry1 in that divison then toney moved up 2 heavyweight and where did jones go after he demolished everyone n dat class heavyweight and where is toney now? lol n UFC are you kidding me
lmao bhop said roy hasnt done anythink to be considered p4p ermm at this point jones had won titles in 3 weights bhop in 1 weight i take it bhop doesnt no wat p4p means
@PHilADelZPHinESt215 naw cuz manny would just be like "okay" to everything manny isnt much of a talker..now out floyd and freddie together lol that i would like to see
Roy beat Bernard when it really mattered, for a World title. Their second fight meant nothing, it was for nothing, and Roy was coming off a first round knockout loss anyways. It was only for Bernard's ego, and his pure hatred of RJJ.
He said many times he could live without fighting RJJ again, cause of the fact that he scored wins over Johnson and Tarver, two guys who knocked RJJ out.
Roy was never scared of Bernard. He just thought he deserved 60% of the purse money, because he was the undisputed champ in a higher weight division. Bernard should have took 40% because he would have moved up and fought Roy for his titles instead of defending his own. This fight should have happened in 2002. Roy would have whooped Bernard then. Instead of waiting 8 years later, where we got an old but fresh 45 year old Bernard vs a shot to shit 41 year old Roy in a fight.
When Roy and B-hop fought in 93 they were both just at the peak of there careers .No one can say b-hop would have won him in his prime cause everyone knows roy wouldve beat him
Roy is a chump, real rap. He was scared of Bernard because B-Hop wasn't those C-class fighters he was outclassin for as long as was. He was talkin about Bernard not having any fighters with a name...Roy didn't have ANY fighters with a name period. Bitch ass kept on dodging Bernard left and right, well now you all seen what happend to him. The fight wasn't that great, but it was one sided from the beginning to the end...this would happend if they fought 8 years ago.
@YoungDrizzle215 you must be crazy! Roy whooped that ass back in 93 had the rematch happened 94 95 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 or 03 b hop would have got whooped again
@Jbizzle390 I'll give him that back in 93, he did whip Nard's ass. That nigga ain't want NO parts of him when he became Undisputed champion though, my man called him out in 01 after he cleaned up the middlweight division and Roy talkin bout "I ain't fighting him cuz he can't beat the fighters I beat." That is a pussy move straight up, he was scared because he knew what would happen.
@YoungDrizzle215 Narr man roy was way to quick and skillful for bhop anytime before roy went up to heavyweight he would have beat that ass again.. Its jus something we ll never know but can always argue about!
I think he pissed off Roy to the point where you might just see the old Roy Jones of yesterday emerge, if that's the case i think Jones will outclass him and i know what Bernard has to offer. Odds are against jones at this point and time in his career, but winning is in his own power. BRING BACK THE OLD ROY JONES "YOU MUSTA FORGOT" BABY.
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i can see where roy came from sayin 60 40 since he beat him once already. if it was so personal like he is sayin in all the press conferences he shuld of took the fight. i know i wuldve if it was personal. it didnt happen cus of bernard not roy
Roy got his ass handed to him in Australia. Now he'll never get to fight Hopkins and he won't get any money.
He lost a lot of money for being stupid & greedy. If he got destroyed by dude in Austrailia I wonder what Hopkins would have done to him. Hopkins is 44 and still getting W's.
hopkins didn't age as worse as roy jones, and u know that. Another thing about roy is that roy jones uses hand speed and that decreased bad so that makes some sense that he's losing all these fights. But you will have to admit, roy beat him with just one hand in their primes.
Yep, and if you read the ESPN article you'll see that in September they finally agreed to a 50/50 split.
Only now that Jones los and that fight was offt, Jones has agreed to take less money. So i guess he didn't "absolutely deserve" the 60/40 because he was never close to getting it.
Well, if you knew how to read.. I said at the time.. refering to the time of the interview when he was still dominating the boxing world. Now, its different, btw there is still a 60-40 split if someone wins by knockout!
No it's not dumbass. If you knew how to read you'd know that.
Is there a "knockout provision." YES.
Does that mean its' a 60/40 split. NO!
"Although terms of the new deal were not disclosed, Wirt said that Jones agreed to "a modification" of the original deal with Jones' percentage potentially increasing depending on how the pay-per-view performed.
The knockout provision, however, is still in the new deal."
That means Jones accepted LESS then 50/50 and he WON'T get 60 if he knocks him out!
There is no way you can possibly believe that it's the same deal that they signed in September. If you do, then you don't know anything about business.
"If you knew how to read."
I'll take Irony for $500 Alex
Jones' agent saying "modification" is a nice way of saying Jones made EVEN more concessions to make the fight happen.
But please keep living in the past & arguing just how much Jones "deserved that 60%" two years ago.
May the best man win. Though I'm from FLA, Jones should retire.
jones has always been a thief when in come to dividing the purse. in 1994 jones offered michael "2nd to" nunn a mieger $125k to fight! nunn wisely declined the insult. this is precisely why jones never fought the top fighters during his prime, and why jones' legacy has been way overrated. hopkin is the superiour fighter and has the richier legacy!
you are the dumbest fuck ever, roy schooled bernard when they were both younger/tougher and faster, not to mention he beat him with his wrong hand cause the right was hurt, you simpleton fools always forget that shit, if bernard was a man a 60/40 cut is PLENTY OF FUCKING MONEY, only a gutless fuck wouldn't take it.
Roy Jones is a orthodix stance fighter, it doesn't matter if he used his left hand 99% of the time, hes not left handed and I can bet you his right hurts more then the left, take a look at his left hand KOs compared to his right, I bet youll see more rights as much as he was just as good with his left.
He may not be a natural lefty, but his left has always been great and is the biggest reason he KO's fighters. Landing 4 left at hooks at one time the way he did in his prime, without using his right... tell me how his right is still his best hand after KO'ing many fighters with left handed uppercuts and left hooks, while rarely ever using his powerful right?
Because after he touched most fighters with 2 simple jabs with his right they were really worried about the left, then he could switch stances to southpaw instead of the "Non_Conventional" stance he used, he used neither orthodox or southpaw if you watch his feet.
Yeah he was more of a boxing anomaly, and I mean that in the best way possible, because nobody could do what he did. He didn't need a stance... he did what he did becasue he coudl do it and nobody else could. But I have seen far more KO shots from hsisleft... I've been trying to see all his fights before he fights B-Hop again... and I have seen this more often.
@123jokaa realllllly?????? I NEVER knew that, what a joke, anyways bernard looked like the bum he always was the other night, he looked scared as fuck of roy as much as he said he'd beat him senseless , what a bum whiny cunt he looked like
he fighting hopkins... when you wrote that comment the fight was already a done deal.. idiot... danny green was the fighters name in austrailia and yes he did ko jones but he is a huge puncher which as we all no bernard hopkins is not... so dont see him ko'ing ne1 in the near future...
60/40 is more than reasonable, but unfortunately since roy sold the danny green fight i think he might be hanging up his gloves. this rematch may never happen
roy was scared what???!! what he has 2b scared of he already beat him once..and her was p4p at the time cmon why the hell would he split a purse 50/50 hell na
roy was the best boxer til he got ko'ed dnt give a fuck what ring magazine or whoever say evrybody no that just the lighter weight classes became more pop lightheavy he had noboy to fight..get yo facts right!!..bitch!!!
who gives a fuck what you think BIOTCH?..LMAO! ..Your credibility isn't shit when it comes to "Ring Magazine" & etc. Roy Jones did have people to fight but he was a scared HAND PICKER! He refused to give Toney a rematch & it was others there as well..The fact is, Roy's worth was down at this time & B-Hop's went up after KOing Trinidad. It's not what you've done, it's what you doing NOW... So step yo game up boy!
@FreshTiDef EH BITCH!!! FUCK YU NIGG! ROY ONE OF THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES BENARD AINT DZT AINT DONE HALF SDAY SHIT ROYS DONE SO EAT A DICK BITCH ASS NIGGA
BTW, Hopkins was being considered best P4P @ this time because Mosley just came off those Forrest loses @ this time. Notice the in the start how Hopkins was talkin P4P with Larry? So why would the best P4P fighter @ the time take less money? You Roy Joke Jockers are IDIOTS!
@freshtidef..ready for some more OWNAGE huh?..first off..you lose all credibilty if not before for sure NOW!
you said Mosley just came off the Forrest losses at this time..Dumb Bitch..the Forrest fights didnt even happen yet..those fights were in 2002..Bhop fought Tito in 2001..OWNED..lmao!
second..Bhop was never on the P4P list the whole damn 90s..cause he fought bums..he finally made a splash at #9 in 1999..lol..what does that say..while RJJ was dominating,moving up, P4P & fighter of decade!
wow you're an idiot. This interview happened after the Glen Kelly vs Roy Joke Jr. fight (On 2/2/02). Mosley had just lost to Forrest a week before this (On 1/26/02). So get your facts right you dumbass! Hopkins was also the current "Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year" during this interview. So why should he take less you idiot? Your worth is what you've currently done (2002,) not what you done in the past (90's). At this time the only people who were respecting RJJ was his idiot fans.
Like I said, at this time B-Hop was ranked higher & was a bigger draw than RJJ. Notice how B-Hop said, "Roy Jones haven't done lately in the world of boxing to even consider himself P4P." He said this because EVERYONE except for RJJ's idiot fans were critizing RJJ's for fighting BUMS!. Hence why he released that whack song, "Ya'll Must of Forgot!" which was released 2/26/02..Lol Since you had a buzz in the past doesn't mean that your buzz is still there.
60 40 Fight Roy already Bernard! Roy's always been the easiest guy to make a fight with! BHop is the on scared of Roy. If not Roy, he's just afraid to lose lol Check out the other interviews! Much respect for both fighters but Bhop is too caught up with Golderboy Promo.
60 40 split is fair, Jones is the easiest guy to make a fight with he has no promoter. Jones beat him wit an injured right hand the first time they fought.
@561buRnz407 Tarver aint get robbed, if u watch da fight Roy won 7 rounds at least, its just ge wasnt dominated by Roy like he usually does his opponents, n Oscar wasnt no real threat at middleweight, he was a lightweight when he started, but wat im not understandin is how is BHOP kept hollin he wanted fight Roy from da moment dey fought but Roy offered him 9 million (4 times mo den he had made 2 dat point) several different times n turned it down, wat does dat sound like 2 u
LilT08 1 month ago
@LilT08 What does that mean? Floyd started at featherweight.. That doesnt mean welterweight isnt his best division that he moved up to
Give Bhop his props.. He fought him back in 2004, Oscar was still doing it
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@LilT08 What does that mean? Floyd started at featherweight.. That doesnt mean welterweight isnt his best division that he moved up to
Give Bhop his props.. He fought him back in 2004, Oscar was still doing it
561buRnz407 6 days ago
Roys stupid lol I never said I don't want to... I never said I don't want to... 60/40 I kicks yo ass :)
123mhangleslam 1 month ago
@561buRnz407 yea he was a much better fighter den BUT HE WAS NEVER A BETTER FIGHTER DEN ROY N HIS PRIME!!! He would not have won, Bhop beat a smaller Oscar De la Hoya, n Trinidad ill give him credit 4, Roy beat BHOP, TONEY (whom BHOP is still runnin from), Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, Tarver, n Trinidad also
LilT08 1 month ago
@LilT08 First of all.. Bhop fought Oscar at middleweight.. Idk how you call that a smaller Oscar
And I cant believe you mentioned Tarver.. Tarver won all 3 times.. 2 legit, and that first one he got robbed.. Everybody knew that plus Tarver KOed him
Nobody talks about VIrgil Hill or Reggie Johnson..
And that Trinidad fight was like a Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis fight.. That was fight was long overdue and they both were washed up
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@561buRnz407 not sure what fight you wacthed the 1st jones/tarver but i was 100% with the HBO scoring. you CANNOT win a fight by fighting for 30sec per round and the 2+mins lettign him pot shot you.. tarver COULD have won. jones was clearly weight drained but he was just to damn lazy.and no, not everyone know that tarver won. most people think roy did. becuz he did. landed more punches and like i said tarver was to damn lazy. hill and johnson were both good fighters.
mogwai250 1 week ago
WHO I AM WHO I AM?
LiveReality19 1 month ago
Jonesfag has dodged the good fighters all his career...Once he gave Tarver a chance he got a gift tha second and third times good spankings This fuckhead was destroyed by Johnson fuck this cowardasshole
djk28161 1 month ago
Bernard Hopkins wouldnt have beat no Roy Jones at der peak, Roy beat him wit ONE HAND n der first meetin EASILY!!! He wouldve punished hopkins n 2002 SIMPLE!!!
LilT08 1 month ago
@LilT08 Bruh B Hop was a much better fighter in 2002 than in 1993 when he fought Roy .. Check B Hop's resume, He beat hall of famers like Oscar De La Hoya, Trinidad .. Roy cant say the same
561buRnz407 1 month ago
@Nate187um R u serious, wat did hopkins do dat was so special dat wouldve beat Roy, he only had 1 great punch, a overhand right!!! Look up a story where hopkins turned down 9 million to fight Roy twice (once n 2002 n da second was before he signed to fight tarver 4 half as much to fight Roy)!! He was scared of Roy
LilT08 2 months ago
Roy didn't want the rematch or he would of took it. B-Hops resume>>>>>>roys and b hop wasn't even in his prime in the 1st fight...once b hop hit his prime roy didn't want none
Nate187um 2 months ago
@Nate187,no, Hopkins didn't want the rematch. If he did, he would have accepted the 40:60 split, which is all he deserved. Jones was the bigger PPV attraction, the recognized p4p number one, it would have been HIS Light-Heavyweight title on the line at a catchweight (a joke in the days of 17 weight classes) and he'd already beaten Hopkins once. There's no way that Hopkins deserved more than 40 percent and he knew it. Avoided the fight and blamed it on Jones 'pricing himself out.' Sure, Bernard!
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat Bullshit. Hopkins had nothing to lose in the rematch, jones did have something to lose though. & Hopkins felt like he deserved 50 because of what he had accomplished since. Jones resume is a joke compared to Hopkins. Hopkins didn't even have a amateur career and fought jones in his 22nd fight and went the full 12 rounds. Once he hit his prime jones wanted no parts. Hopkins losing again would of been nowhere near as damaging as jones losing career wise.
Nate187um 2 months ago
@Nate187um, if Hopkins genuinely believed he was worth a 50:50 split then he was clearly deluded. But I suspect the truth is he knew he didn't deserve 50:50 at all, so used it as a barrier in negotiations. The fact that you're saying that Jones had it all to lose proves my point for me - he was 'the man.' He was the draw, the champion. Their career resumes are very close (you're foolish in calling Jones' a joke whatever the context) but in 2002, there was no comparison, Jones was well ahead.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat Jones resume is a joke compared to hopkins. theres no denying that. Jones has been garbage for the last what....8 years...while hopkins is still holding it down and he's older. B-Hop in is prime>>>>>>>>>>>>roy jones jr by far.
Nate187um 2 months ago
@Nate187um, don't be ridiculous. Jones had an almost Robinson-eque run lasting a whole decade where he was consistently viewed as a tip top p4p fighter, as in everyone's top 3 with no questions asked. Who else has managed that? At the time of his Heavyweight title, there was talk amongst many that he was the greatest since Robinson. That bubble has since burst, but in his prime Jones was dominant in a way that Hopkins simply never was. Would add that their level of opposition is similar, too.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat B-Hop is a better BOXER than Roy. If Roy wasn't exciting people could care less for him. When he lost his speed his real BOXING skills showed and he has a glass jaw.
Nate187um 2 months ago
@Nate187um, Hopkins was a better conventional boxer in one sense, sure, but that doesn't mean he was better overall at their respective primes. Joe Louis was a better technician and had better fundamentals than Ali - but like Ali, Jones was an unorthodox fighter. Doesn't mean he wasn't still a great one. Hopkins has longevity thanks to his textbook technique, sure, but at his prime Jones hit heights which Hopkins simply never has. And as I said, in 2002, there was literally no comparison.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat whats heights??? Hopkins defended his middleweight title a RECORD 20 TIMES. Roy Jones was just flashy. Like i said when he lost his speed his true skills showed. Hopkins is 46 and still holding it down against fighters 20 years younger than him.
Nate187um 2 months ago
@Nate187um, for the last time, I'm not saying Hopkins isn't great - I'm saying that Jones is. But as for Jones' heights - well he beat Hopkins, and then scored a nigh-on total shutout of the (then) top 3 p4p Toney, a superb performance. Reigned for a long time at 175 lb, unifying belts and barely losing a round. First man in 106 years to have been a Middleweight champion and then take a Heavyweight title. And as I said, nobody this side of WW2 has had a longer reign as a tip top p4p fighter.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat AGAIN, ROY JONES WANTED NO PARTS, I REPEAT NO PARTS OF A PRIME BERNARD HOPKINS. He beat hokpins early in his career out of jail when he didn't even have an amateur career. Hopkins will go down as the better fighter.
Nate187um 2 months ago
@Nate187um, he offered him a 60:40 deal - how does that equate to wanting 'no part' of Hopkins in 2002? Honestly, you're living in a fantasy world if you think Hopkins was worth 50:50. He should have taken Jones' offer - he didn't. As for who will go down in history as greater, well I'm not saying you're wrong in saying that Hopkins will be remembered more, but I think only time will tell. There's little in it. Personally, I'd edge towards Roy.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
@RihannasBikeSeat lmao that wasn't a real offer. He just said that cause hopkins was airing him out LIVE ON TV. Again Roy was just flashy. His true skill showed when he slowed down and his glass jaw got exposed. Hopkins is 46 and well, still Bernard Hopkins. to this very day. Hopkins is the better BOXER. Roy is the better ENTERTAINER.
Nate187um 2 months ago
@Nate187um, it was a real offer, are you denying that Hopkins could have taken it? He could have, but didn't. Again, I'll stress that Hopkins is the better technician, but that doesn't mean he should automatically rank higher. Jones' peak was better. Either way, I can see we'll never agree - but regardless, Merry Christmas mate, and a Happy New Year. Hope we collide on some opinion-dividing vids in 2012! Take care, fellow boxing fan.
RihannasBikeSeat 2 months ago
I bet roy wish he fought him back then for his bhops rematch cos roy was still in his prime but instead he waited too long and bhop beat a washed up roy jones
N1ghtstar4 2 months ago
Roy wouldve tapped dat ass n 2002
LilT08 3 months ago
60/40 I kick yo ass!
G shit.
Chex2331 3 months ago
@pearcemark2 When he was n prison he boxed also n was da jailhouse champion!!! He wasnt new 2 boxing!!! So u mean 2 tell me if he had fought Roy round dis time hopkins would have won???
LilT08 3 months ago
IF THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THIS REMATCH BACK WHEN THEY HAD THIS ARGUMENT ROY WOULD HAVE WON AGAIN
Mike9798999 3 months ago
@FreshTidef I HATE when ppl say he was green or he wasnt "ready"!!! HOW WASNT BHOP "not at his peak" HE WAS DA #1 middleweight n da world n Roy was #2!!! his only lost before Roy was 2 a LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT!!! He was 22-0 against middleweights before he fought Roy wit 16 kos!!! Roy was just HEAD N SHOULDERS MORE TALENTED dem him, give him his props!!! He beat B Hop ass n it wouldve been worse n 02'
LilT08 4 months ago
@LilT08 Roy had an extensive amateur career. B-Hop never had that experience. He was in prison.
Hopkins had to learn on the job as a pro. B-Hop had like 25 fights, Roy had HUNDREDS of amateur bouts.
Hopkins never grew into his prime until about 1998.
Hopkins in 1993 is a completely different fighter than Hopkins a mere 5 years later.
pearcemark2 3 months ago
Who I am who I am !
robthefighter88 4 months ago
LOL 60-40 I'll kick yo ass
macwit2cs 6 months ago
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jatpattat 6 months ago
I wouldve loved 2 c dis fight da year dey had dis argument, bhop was gon lose AGAIN
LilT08 6 months ago 2
This made me love boking for a short time period. One of the most classic conversations that I have seen since being on this Earth and watching boxing. "60/40 I whoop that..." is classic. Though Jr didnt end up being the greatest he sure was entertaining.
DFatsaxx 8 months ago
@DFatsaxx
You judge fighters based on what they accomplished in their primes.Roy is the former Middle,Super Middle Weight,Light Weight & Heavyweight Champion of the World.I think he was 35 when he won the Heavy Weight Title.He fought his career going between 90 and 110mph.He took a lot of chances and was very impressive.Bernard dominated 1 weight class until he was 41.Then moved up to challenge him self further.Bernard has a long career but his performances arent nearly as impressive.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Bernard's career is FAR more impressive than Roy's. Roy didn't have any big wins besides Hopkins, Toney, and Ruiz.
Hopkins has better wins since his 40+ years old move up to light heavy than Jones did in his light heavy prime. When the history books are written, Roy is that guy who didn't have any technique but was really fast and cocky, whereas B-Hop was the masterful technician who executed his opponents with picture perfect boxing.
pearcemark2 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
The only thing impressive about Bernards wins after 40 is that he defeated young strong opponents whom happened to hold titles.Were looking at Taylor,Tarver,Pavlik & Pascal.I cant say that these fighters were built on anything.Tarver & Pavlik were held up 2 the light basically off of key wins Tarver-Jones,Pavlik Taylor.
Bernard biggest win came against Trinidad when B Hop was 37yrs old.That's 2yrs after the age that fighters have given all that they have to offer the sport con..
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
con..Where as Roy,Mosley,Floyd,Trinidad,ect..At the time that Roy was fighting at Light Heavy there wasn't any big fights North of Super Middle Weight.It was dry from that division on up to Heavyweight.Roy was the best thing going in any division he stepped foot in.The biggest fights were from 147 on down to 130 during that era..I'm simply saying that Roy,Shane,Floyd shifted gears with peak performances through out their careers & didn't use Cruise Control con..
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
In Roy you have an athlete whom pushed him self and put it all on the line early in his career with highly impressive performances.Were talking highly skilled with a string of impressive Knock Out Wins.In Bernard we have an athlete whom since the age of 37 has challenged him self later in his career.Through out his career he has done the speed limit between 55-65 miles per hr.Therefore a lack of impressive fights.His cautiousness and Intelligence have contributed to his later yrs.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Bernard didn't have a choice but to challenge himself late. He was in prison when Roy and most other boxers were having a fantastic amateur career. Bernard didn't get that luxury. He started late and had to learn on the job. Roy was lucky to catch him pre-prime when he was still building his style. As far as Roy "putting it all on the line", I have to disagree. He was absolutely a safety first fighter, and demanding a 60-40 split for a rematch isn't "putting it on the line".
pearcemark2 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
B Hop didn't really want to face Roy when they were negotiating for a rematch in the early 2000's.B wanted to move up and face Roy for his 175lb Crowns.B wanted a 50/50 split which was non sense.60/40 was a fair deal.But B wanted to be compensated if he lost to Jones which was likely.That's why the rematch didn't happen until 2010 lol Once B knew for sure that Roy was a shell of the fighter that he once was.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Don't pull that revisionist history bullshit. Hopkins fought Roy when Roy stopped being an idiotic egomaniac and started getting reasonable when it comes to a fight deal. Even after he got KO'd and lost 3 in a row, he was playing douchebag money games. Good ol' Danny Green changed that quick though. All of a sudden that Hopkins fight was looking juicy as hell. Hopkins beat better competition in his middleweight reign than Jones ever did. Undefeated Glen Johnson, TKO'd.
pearcemark2 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
When you speak about the career of Roy Jones great respect should be displayed.First off,when Roy won the Heavyweight Crown from a tough John Ruiz that was his last great performance.He kept moving up in weight like that because he was looking for serious challenges and it was hard to prepare him self for an average joe. He was 34 and undefeated. 34 is the age of decline.After winning the Heavyweight Crown there was nothing left for the man to prove & the hunger wasn't there.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 34 is the age of decline if you don't have good technique and you don't have drive or passion. That's when you start getting knocked out every fight like Roy.
But if you have perfect technique, and you're smart, and you know every trick, and you can out think your opponent and win on superior technique, knowledge, and experience, who's to say when it has to end?
46 and beating men young enough to be his children. Not with a 1 punch KO, but outclassing them. Phenomenal.
pearcemark2 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
By that first line I can tell that you don't know Boxing All fighters All athletes begin to decline around that age.Floyd 34 is showing decline in the Ring.If you noticed against Shane Floyd fought flat footed.It's not because he wanted too.With age a fighter begins 2 loose his legs.Floyd has been declining since the Judah fight.Roy was declining for yrs before the loss to Tarver.Its subtle things that all lead up to the big lost.Tyson began declining right after the Spinks fight.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Are you really regurgitating Freddie Roach's observations to me right now?
There's a reason Roy declined. It wasn't a subtle thing. He was phenomenal through to Clinton Woods, slowed when he fought Ruiz, the weight drain fucked his body up, the strength and legs were gone, Tarver put him out, the confidence was gone. He fucked up. BUT, if he had technique and actually knew how to stay off/fight off the ropes, he never would've sat there eating punches like a tard.
pearcemark2 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
It's as simple as this.With age fighters slow down.If they continue to fight undefeated fighters become defeated.They begin to lose to guys that if in their primes they wouldn't be worthy of carrying their belts to the ring.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING That's a copout. You listed Tyson as being past his prime when Buster got to him, but how the fuck did he slow down due to age? He was in his 20s.
pearcemark2 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
Tysons decline wasn't due to age.He had grown disinterested in the sport.I think that he was 22 when he fought Spinks.It was either the pre or post fight conference where he stated that it maybe his last fight.In Tyson you have another fighter that fought his career between 90-110mph.Tyson 1st 2yrs of his pro career he had 28 fights,25 were by KO! His 28th fight was against Trevor Berbick which made Tyson the youngest Heavy Weight Champ in History at 20yrs old.7 fights later con.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
cont..7 fights later he fought Spinks.High Impact fighters accomplish so much early that they don't have much once they hit 35 or so because as we all do they slow down.Reflexes,Speed,defence ect..But in Tysons case he simply grew disinterested in the sport.His flame burned out quick.But he operated on such a high level that he continued to fight and was still more dominant than his opponents.Spinks was the last fight of vintage Tyson.After that there was a different Tyson.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
Roy vacated his Light Heavyweight Titles,Moved up to Heavyweight to become Heavy Weight Champion,Then moved back down to Light Heavy Weight to regain the titles that he vacated.All in a 14 month period.The man's entire career has been like that.And keep in mind that we are talking about a natural Middle Weight in Jones.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING The same Glen Johnson that put Roy on the mat for 10 minutes a couple years later, as we all saw.
pearcemark2 7 months ago
@pearcemark2
As you stated a couple of yrs ago. The man was 35 and this was after a natural Middle Weight moved up through the weight t classes to win the most coveted titles in All of Sport.His career is different than the average fighter.You have to speak differently concerning what he has done.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
@ESSENCEOFEACHTHING Stop hating on the greatest fighter of this era. You don't even make sense. B-Hop is like 4 years older than Roy so how he set to wait for Roy to fade. B-Hop is just better than Roy! PERIOD!
FreshTiDef 4 months ago
@FreshTiDef
Think about it.Just think about it.Hopkins mind was pre occupied with being compensated when Roy was still in his prime so the re match didn't take place then.He waited until it was clear that Roy wasn't the same fighter before taking the fight.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 4 months ago
@FreshTiDef
Look. Bernard is pushing for a fight/Rematch with Roy.For Roy's Light Heavyweight Crowns at a catch weight.And wants a 50/50 split.Roy beat him in 93 for the vacant IBF Middle Weight Title.And the most impressive name on his roster was the recent fight with Trinidad.While B Hop remained at Middleweight for all of those yrs.Roy won titles at Middle,SuperMiddle & Light Heav.And staged far more explosive performances.The 60/40 split that Roy offered was fair.But B Hop wasn't secure.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 4 months ago
@pearcemark2
B had 20 consecutive title defenses at Middle Weight.He had plenty of time to challenge him self.But his challenge was in breaking the defense record at that weight.And there is nothing wrong with that.Absolutely nothing! But when you begin to compare fighters and who did what certain thing's begin to stand out.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 7 months ago
Roy in his prime vs. Hopkins in his prime = Roy Jones whoopin' that ass for 60/40!
runayuso 9 months ago
@runayuso yep
tonyteb 7 months ago
60/40 Money? Jones back then was like Gayweather today...
Lacqueras 1 year ago
@Lacqueras lol i agree and disagree roy is my fav boxer of all time but comparin him 2 dat peice of shit is just absurd roy is the shit floyd just smells lik a turd any way gayweather is complaining about blood test and money he never once even thought about fighting manny and once manny beats mosley(( and i like mosley too)) floyds only got 2 opinons its ethier manny or retire becuz he sure in the hell isnt about to fight berto thats my disagreement i argee bcuz is always over money..smh
TheFrezhprince3 1 year ago
@TheFrezhprince3 Well, I see Jones = to Gayweather. Both they cherry picked they way up. Tell me at least 1 big name after that Jones fought after fighting Toney up to tarver?
Lacqueras 1 year ago
@Lacqueras i can do better then 1 check this out, vinny paz, mike mccallum, viril hill, cliniton woods, john ruiz,, all recongizable names.....
TheFrezhprince3 1 year ago
@TheFrezhprince3 Vinny Pazienza was a recognizable name but he was completely over the hill and he fought Roy after a neck surgery if I remember corect. Mike McCallum was a fat middleweight fighting in light heavyweight division - Toney fought prime McCallum... John Ruiz? Ruiz was a complete bum but this is a perfect example of proving what i meant. When Roy came to fight for a HW title, he picked to fight Ruiz when there were Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield. I think i proved my point perfect
Lacqueras 1 year ago
@Lacqueras lol ok if i did my hw correctly roy jones changelled Holyfield b4 he came 2 Ruiz matter of fact he talked 2 Evander both b4 n after he fought tyson the 2nd time. Roy even talk 2 Evander after his boout with danny sanitago fell out but evander said no becuase he didnt think it i wouldnt have mattered and roy has challanged mostly ever name you could think of tyson, haye, klitschko bros, but every1 thought he was looking 4 a quick payday, lol if its so easy shoulda made it have right?
TheFrezhprince3 1 year ago
@TheFrezhprince3 He didnt challenge Holyfield, his father was scared of him to fight Buster Douglas, are u kidding me?!
Lacqueras 1 year ago
@Lacqueras lol he did chanllege holyfeild and hell who would be scared to fight douglas at tht time??? after he nearly killed tyson hell a living prime ali wouldny have wanna him at tht time....and back to holyfeild look you can google it yahoo it wikipedia facebook twitter what ever you wanna do to research it hell ok ill even upload the vid a on youtube when roy issued the challege to holyfield after roy ko'ed griffin in there 2nd fight...
TheFrezhprince3 1 year ago
@Lacqueras Technically when he fought Ruiz, the other two champs at the time were Lennox and Byrd. Byrd beat Holyfield in late '02 so Evander didn't have a belt at the time. Even still, yes Roy negotiated with Evander for a Fall '03 fight. Roy was pissed that Evander was going to make twice as much as he did so he balked at it. That's why Toney took the Evander fight cuz he knew Evander was over the hill and it would an easy fight. In hindsight it was the worst decision Roy could have made.
Antrizzle2009 9 months ago
@Antrizzle2009 Toney took Evander because Holyfield was the biggest fight that Toney could get at that time. Evander was 1st Toneys fight as a heavyweight and that's insane, unlike to go up to heavyweight to pick a weakest champion without ANY skills and completely no legacy. And if you think that Holyfield was easy for Toney than, damn u are over the hill too
KravaLLT 9 months ago
@KravaLLT Did you watch that fight? Holyfield was beyond over the hill. Had no reflexes, Toney could see what he was throwing from a mile away. Why do you think everybody was screaming for Holyfield to retire afterwards? It was the worst performance of his career up to that point. And again, the only reason Toney got that fight was because Roy turned it down. That's been well documented.
Antrizzle2009 9 months ago
@Antrizzle2009 Yes i've seen the fight. What I've seen was that Evander studied Toneys style, punched Toney in situations where Toney is not used to get punched, Evander fought very well but then he got frustrated seeing Toney not getting hit that much and hurt + Toney hurt him a couple of times and became the only man to stop Holyfield
KravaLLT 9 months ago
@TheFrezhprince3 Hopkins said that James Toney when he fought Jones was offered a multimillion dollar contract with HBO and after Toney thinking that Jones was a garbage (which he was) came to the fight completely dehydraded and lost the decision, then Jones got that contract and started fighting undefeated unexperienced boys with a record of 15-0 and smth. Untill Tarver called him out in public calling him a ducker and a pussy because Tarver called him out for 3 years and he ducked him
Lacqueras 1 year ago
@Lacqueras lol jones garbage at 168 r you kidding me?? now after 199pounds i could reason with you on that..but as a superweight joe calzage didnt wanna see him, james toney didint even wanna remacth what did he do he moved up in weight 2 lightheavyweight and where did jones go same weight class after he destroyed evry1 in that divison then toney moved up 2 heavyweight and where did jones go after he demolished everyone n dat class heavyweight and where is toney now? lol n UFC are you kidding me
TheFrezhprince3 1 year ago
@TheFrezhprince3 i mean supermiddle weight
TheFrezhprince3 1 year ago
lmao bhop said roy hasnt done anythink to be considered p4p ermm at this point jones had won titles in 3 weights bhop in 1 weight i take it bhop doesnt no wat p4p means
lee1990lee 1 year ago
Hopkins was scared of Jones.
Mowglieboy69 1 year ago
they should do a live negotiation for Mayweather VS Pacquiao it would be gold
PHilADelZPHinESt215 1 year ago 5
@PHilADelZPHinESt215 naw cuz manny would just be like "okay" to everything manny isnt much of a talker..now out floyd and freddie together lol that i would like to see
TheFrezhprince3 1 year ago
@PHilADelZPHinESt215 PAC MAN WOULD BE BLOWN OUT OF HIS MIND
BECAUSE OF MAYWEATHER'S MOUTH
casillas989 2 months ago
Roy beat Bernard when it really mattered, for a World title. Their second fight meant nothing, it was for nothing, and Roy was coming off a first round knockout loss anyways. It was only for Bernard's ego, and his pure hatred of RJJ.
He said many times he could live without fighting RJJ again, cause of the fact that he scored wins over Johnson and Tarver, two guys who knocked RJJ out.
danlfc1983 1 year ago
Roy was never scared of Bernard. He just thought he deserved 60% of the purse money, because he was the undisputed champ in a higher weight division. Bernard should have took 40% because he would have moved up and fought Roy for his titles instead of defending his own. This fight should have happened in 2002. Roy would have whooped Bernard then. Instead of waiting 8 years later, where we got an old but fresh 45 year old Bernard vs a shot to shit 41 year old Roy in a fight.
danlfc1983 1 year ago
@danlfc1983 A FRESH 45 year old? Dude you don't make any sense. B-Hop > Roy!
FreshTiDef 4 months ago
hopkins won the rematch
CharlieZelenoff1 1 year ago
60-40 at this time and roy would have wupped him
ajp135212 1 year ago
roy jones wouldef beated him up in 2002
javaughnna1 1 year ago
Super Funny
Rucks90 1 year ago
When Roy and B-hop fought in 93 they were both just at the peak of there careers .No one can say b-hop would have won him in his prime cause everyone knows roy wouldve beat him
keithoburns14 1 year ago
@keithoburns14 Bernard wasn't @ his peak in 1993 so stop it!...SMDH
FreshTiDef 4 months ago
Roy is a chump, real rap. He was scared of Bernard because B-Hop wasn't those C-class fighters he was outclassin for as long as was. He was talkin about Bernard not having any fighters with a name...Roy didn't have ANY fighters with a name period. Bitch ass kept on dodging Bernard left and right, well now you all seen what happend to him. The fight wasn't that great, but it was one sided from the beginning to the end...this would happend if they fought 8 years ago.
YoungDrizzle215 1 year ago
@YoungDrizzle215 you must be crazy! Roy whooped that ass back in 93 had the rematch happened 94 95 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 or 03 b hop would have got whooped again
Jbizzle390 1 year ago
@Jbizzle390 I'll give him that back in 93, he did whip Nard's ass. That nigga ain't want NO parts of him when he became Undisputed champion though, my man called him out in 01 after he cleaned up the middlweight division and Roy talkin bout "I ain't fighting him cuz he can't beat the fighters I beat." That is a pussy move straight up, he was scared because he knew what would happen.
YoungDrizzle215 1 year ago
@YoungDrizzle215 Narr man roy was way to quick and skillful for bhop anytime before roy went up to heavyweight he would have beat that ass again.. Its jus something we ll never know but can always argue about!
Jbizzle390 1 year ago
@Jbizzle390 B-Hop almost dropped Roy the first time they fought, believe me he was MUCH better than the first time he fought.
YoungDrizzle215 1 year ago
how these guys couldnt split 25 million between them back them is insane
iChex 1 year ago
60/40 i tears yo ass up
deagledafreestyler 1 year ago
Come on Larry, put a sentence together, just once..
dnyc78hotmail 1 year ago
I think he pissed off Roy to the point where you might just see the old Roy Jones of yesterday emerge, if that's the case i think Jones will outclass him and i know what Bernard has to offer. Odds are against jones at this point and time in his career, but winning is in his own power. BRING BACK THE OLD ROY JONES "YOU MUSTA FORGOT" BABY.
gamecollect101 1 year ago
Ok please tell me. When was this?
itbeonlikedonkeykong 1 year ago
Roy is a better fighter and more entertaining to watch.
maxspeedt 1 year ago
Jones vs. Hopkins II: Russian Roulette!
CLICK on my name and watch why this fight ignores all the precursors to irreversible brain damage and ring fatality. It's the stuff those tragic HBO documentaries are made of...
"How could they let this happen?"
hotboxingit 1 year ago
the public wanted this 10 years ago, why till now?
neoimean7 1 year ago
who i am
xEGC92x 1 year ago
this is hysterical lol
ALIBEGU 1 year ago
i can see where roy came from sayin 60 40 since he beat him once already. if it was so personal like he is sayin in all the press conferences he shuld of took the fight. i know i wuldve if it was personal. it didnt happen cus of bernard not roy
ematic85 1 year ago
the 2 of them sud hav had rematch 15 yrs ago, i see they r talking about it now that just seems ridiculus
TheSparkle7 2 years ago
worst interview ever!
jtrubilla 2 years ago
BTW, doesn't B-Hop say at the end "I'mma go down there and kill his roosters" at the end? That's hilarious!
ihatelifejosemartine 2 years ago 23
@ihatelifejosemartine lmao good ear makes me love b hop more
badddluccc 1 year ago
after mosley 60/40 manny's ass is TOAST!
Chuckylee 2 years ago
How annoying is Larry Merchant in this video!?!?!?
chunkygofunky 2 years ago
"60/40, I kick yo ass"
fsfegserghrh 2 years ago
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fsfegserghrh 2 years ago
Roy deserves the 60
sharplikeaknife 2 years ago
...says blind Roy Jones fan.
Roy got his ass handed to him in Australia. Now he'll never get to fight Hopkins and he won't get any money.
He lost a lot of money for being stupid & greedy. If he got destroyed by dude in Austrailia I wonder what Hopkins would have done to him. Hopkins is 44 and still getting W's.
You sound like a blind Jones fan.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
hopkins didn't age as worse as roy jones, and u know that. Another thing about roy is that roy jones uses hand speed and that decreased bad so that makes some sense that he's losing all these fights. But you will have to admit, roy beat him with just one hand in their primes.
sharplikeaknife 2 years ago
At the time Roy absolutely deserved 60%. Just an FYI they signeds there fight and will be fighting April 17th. So he will get his chance!
muddogg11 2 years ago
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FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
Yep, and if you read the ESPN article you'll see that in September they finally agreed to a 50/50 split.
Only now that Jones los and that fight was offt, Jones has agreed to take less money. So i guess he didn't "absolutely deserve" the 60/40 because he was never close to getting it.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
Well, if you knew how to read.. I said at the time.. refering to the time of the interview when he was still dominating the boxing world. Now, its different, btw there is still a 60-40 split if someone wins by knockout!
muddogg11 2 years ago
No it's not dumbass. If you knew how to read you'd know that.
Is there a "knockout provision." YES.
Does that mean its' a 60/40 split. NO!
"Although terms of the new deal were not disclosed, Wirt said that Jones agreed to "a modification" of the original deal with Jones' percentage potentially increasing depending on how the pay-per-view performed.
The knockout provision, however, is still in the new deal."
That means Jones accepted LESS then 50/50 and he WON'T get 60 if he knocks him out!
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
There is no way you can possibly believe that it's the same deal that they signed in September. If you do, then you don't know anything about business.
"If you knew how to read."
I'll take Irony for $500 Alex
Jones' agent saying "modification" is a nice way of saying Jones made EVEN more concessions to make the fight happen.
But please keep living in the past & arguing just how much Jones "deserved that 60%" two years ago.
May the best man win. Though I'm from FLA, Jones should retire.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
@floridaboy5
jones has always been a thief when in come to dividing the purse. in 1994 jones offered michael "2nd to" nunn a mieger $125k to fight! nunn wisely declined the insult. this is precisely why jones never fought the top fighters during his prime, and why jones' legacy has been way overrated. hopkin is the superiour fighter and has the richier legacy!
MrScottydabody 2 years ago
you are the dumbest fuck ever, roy schooled bernard when they were both younger/tougher and faster, not to mention he beat him with his wrong hand cause the right was hurt, you simpleton fools always forget that shit, if bernard was a man a 60/40 cut is PLENTY OF FUCKING MONEY, only a gutless fuck wouldn't take it.
MetaliCanuck 2 years ago
Wrong hand??? LOL Most boxing fans know that Roy's best hand has always been his legendary left.
ihatelifejosemartine 2 years ago
Roy Jones is a orthodix stance fighter, it doesn't matter if he used his left hand 99% of the time, hes not left handed and I can bet you his right hurts more then the left, take a look at his left hand KOs compared to his right, I bet youll see more rights as much as he was just as good with his left.
MetaliCanuck 2 years ago
He may not be a natural lefty, but his left has always been great and is the biggest reason he KO's fighters. Landing 4 left at hooks at one time the way he did in his prime, without using his right... tell me how his right is still his best hand after KO'ing many fighters with left handed uppercuts and left hooks, while rarely ever using his powerful right?
ihatelifejosemartine 2 years ago
Because after he touched most fighters with 2 simple jabs with his right they were really worried about the left, then he could switch stances to southpaw instead of the "Non_Conventional" stance he used, he used neither orthodox or southpaw if you watch his feet.
MetaliCanuck 2 years ago
Yeah he was more of a boxing anomaly, and I mean that in the best way possible, because nobody could do what he did. He didn't need a stance... he did what he did becasue he coudl do it and nobody else could. But I have seen far more KO shots from hsisleft... I've been trying to see all his fights before he fights B-Hop again... and I have seen this more often.
ihatelifejosemartine 2 years ago
@MetaliCanuck Just because he's right handed doesn't mean he hits harder with his right hand
123jokaa 1 year ago 11
@123jokaa realllllly?????? I NEVER knew that, what a joke, anyways bernard looked like the bum he always was the other night, he looked scared as fuck of roy as much as he said he'd beat him senseless , what a bum whiny cunt he looked like
MetaliCanuck 1 year ago
he fighting hopkins... when you wrote that comment the fight was already a done deal.. idiot... danny green was the fighters name in austrailia and yes he did ko jones but he is a huge puncher which as we all no bernard hopkins is not... so dont see him ko'ing ne1 in the near future...
paddymohan 2 years ago
in any*
00tara00 2 years ago
60/40 is more than reasonable, but unfortunately since roy sold the danny green fight i think he might be hanging up his gloves. this rematch may never happen
ilovefrankandbeans 2 years ago
Roy Jones will bag Hopkins seriously.
Dhamestic 2 years ago
Man check out Benard at 3:23. What did he say, LOL!!!!!
tonyniqi1 2 years ago 2
LOL .... that shit sounded funny yet scary!
MrScottydabody 2 years ago
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tonyniqi1 2 years ago
"I said sound like 2 cats that do not have an idea what the hell they talkin about to me" I like how roy talks lol. No love lost btwn Roy and BHop
osamabindrinkin40s 2 years ago
Roy will beat the hell out of BHop 60/40 Roy gone in dat ass!
Mr1derful11389 2 years ago
It's funnier Foreman in 20 seconds that those two guy put together in the rest of the video.
ezekielwahwah 2 years ago
roy was scared what???!! what he has 2b scared of he already beat him once..and her was p4p at the time cmon why the hell would he split a purse 50/50 hell na
WholeLottaGame209 2 years ago
@WholeLottaGame209 ,
get your facts right. He wasn't P4P at the time. At this time Mosley was P4P champ. Step your game up boy!
B-Hop > Roy Joke Jr.
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
roy was the best boxer til he got ko'ed dnt give a fuck what ring magazine or whoever say evrybody no that just the lighter weight classes became more pop lightheavy he had noboy to fight..get yo facts right!!..bitch!!!
WholeLottaGame209 2 years ago
@WholeLottaGame209 ,
who gives a fuck what you think BIOTCH?..LMAO! ..Your credibility isn't shit when it comes to "Ring Magazine" & etc. Roy Jones did have people to fight but he was a scared HAND PICKER! He refused to give Toney a rematch & it was others there as well..The fact is, Roy's worth was down at this time & B-Hop's went up after KOing Trinidad. It's not what you've done, it's what you doing NOW... So step yo game up boy!
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
@FreshTiDef EH BITCH!!! FUCK YU NIGG! ROY ONE OF THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES BENARD AINT DZT AINT DONE HALF SDAY SHIT ROYS DONE SO EAT A DICK BITCH ASS NIGGA
WholeLottaGame209 2 years ago
ignore that character he trolls anything about Roy/Hopkins
00tara00 2 years ago
@00tara00 ,
BTW, Hopkins was being considered best P4P @ this time because Mosley just came off those Forrest loses @ this time. Notice the in the start how Hopkins was talkin P4P with Larry? So why would the best P4P fighter @ the time take less money? You Roy Joke Jockers are IDIOTS!
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
@freshtidef..ready for some more OWNAGE huh?..first off..you lose all credibilty if not before for sure NOW!
you said Mosley just came off the Forrest losses at this time..Dumb Bitch..the Forrest fights didnt even happen yet..those fights were in 2002..Bhop fought Tito in 2001..OWNED..lmao!
second..Bhop was never on the P4P list the whole damn 90s..cause he fought bums..he finally made a splash at #9 in 1999..lol..what does that say..while RJJ was dominating,moving up, P4P & fighter of decade!
00tara00 2 years ago
wow you're an idiot. This interview happened after the Glen Kelly vs Roy Joke Jr. fight (On 2/2/02). Mosley had just lost to Forrest a week before this (On 1/26/02). So get your facts right you dumbass! Hopkins was also the current "Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year" during this interview. So why should he take less you idiot? Your worth is what you've currently done (2002,) not what you done in the past (90's). At this time the only people who were respecting RJJ was his idiot fans.
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
@00tara00,
Like I said, at this time B-Hop was ranked higher & was a bigger draw than RJJ. Notice how B-Hop said, "Roy Jones haven't done lately in the world of boxing to even consider himself P4P." He said this because EVERYONE except for RJJ's idiot fans were critizing RJJ's for fighting BUMS!. Hence why he released that whack song, "Ya'll Must of Forgot!" which was released 2/26/02..Lol Since you had a buzz in the past doesn't mean that your buzz is still there.
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
@WholeLottaGame209 ,
BITCH!
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
@WholeLottaGame209 ,
dude you're an idiot. B-Hop's resume is faaar better than RJJ's. Roy been stopped 3x...Lol
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
@FreshTiDef benard hopkins woulnt even tell u that
WholeLottaGame209 2 years ago
@WholeLottaGame209 , he wouldn't tell me what? I don't get what you're saying dude...I guess I silenced you with FACTS!..LMAO!
B-Hop > Roy Joke Jr.!
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
60 40 Fight Roy already Bernard! Roy's always been the easiest guy to make a fight with! BHop is the on scared of Roy. If not Roy, he's just afraid to lose lol Check out the other interviews! Much respect for both fighters but Bhop is too caught up with Golderboy Promo.
aLpfredoc21033 2 years ago
bernard is a bum period always was and will be 60/40 wouldve got his ass whooped especially then. 60/40 i tear yo ass up real talk
sucker314 2 years ago
@sucker314 ,
who got KO'd 3 times? B-Hop NEVA been stopped...LMAO!
B-Hop > Roy Joke Jr.
FreshTiDef 2 years ago
ROY WAS SCARED YOU COULD TELL
jbloodye 2 years ago
nah man he aint scared.
60 40 split is fair, Jones is the easiest guy to make a fight with he has no promoter. Jones beat him wit an injured right hand the first time they fought.
dcvien 2 years ago 6
roy jones is a pussy man he said he was bigger than Bhop but didnt wanna fight it was soo obvies
Strezza90 2 years ago
lol i thought that was roy jones on 54 secs under the belt ready to launch a sucker punch
lvlarky 2 years ago