The Irish Brigade has been a model for me. I am Mexican-American (born in U.S. my parents are not) and I too, want to protect and defend the Constitution of United States of America. So help me God!
Cant be an irish brigade,they havent resorted to murdering women and children with terrorism...how sorry i forgot..only actions against US citizens is terrorism
The purest moment of bravery seen during the war. A Union General watching from afar noted that the Union troops attempting to take Marye's heights were like melting snow landing on warm ground as they were cut down. At Pickett's charge six months later, one cry rose above the Union lines as the confederates advanced across open ground..."FREDERICKSBURG!, FREDERICKSBURG!, FREDERICKSBURG!"
Also, please refer to the Federalist Papers #46- regarding to Madison's view on state militias and their defense against foreign and domestic tyranny.
I make no excuses for slavery or southern aristocracy. You, on the other hand, make every excuse in the book for keeping a people subjugated to a "free" nation via force of arms. You also seem to think that slapping on a title of rebellion justifies Lincoln's aggression, suppression of the press, free speech, and right to habeas corpus. And, once again, i don't care what your victor's court says... if the south won, it would be a totally different story.
Yes i do know what perpetual means.. Condescending prick. Just because you wish a government to be perpetual doesn't make it so; and you have still failed to tell me how that "perpetual" dream was to be enforced. (or the actual quote/ source) The founders and framers of the EU constitution envisioned a perpetual union, but i don't see them threatening member states with force of arms; and at least the USSR was willing to finally let go of member states that wanted out, unlike the US.
Lincoln didn't go to war to end slavery.... and NE never succeeded- though the rest of the country thought they would, during the Hartford Convention of 1814. I still see no evidence that they had to stay in the union; this isn't the USSR.
@nobility85 You are correct, he entered the war to save the Union. However, he also stated that he would do anything that would save the Union. That included passing the Emancipation Proclamation. The EP also prevented the French and the British from intervening on behalf of the South. Slavery was illegal in most of Western Europe.
The war was about ending slavery from the start though. Davis called the EP the most "vile thing man has ever done. It was clear what rights the CSA fought for.
That is not evidence. The "contract" does to say that they couldn't leave, nor did it state the consequences. Actually, the north was the one full of draft riots and revolts, not the south; true, states like VA and NC didn't want to join the confederacy.... until Lincoln told them to go invade their neighbors.
@nobility85 Most of the north didn't want the south to succeed, and at least half the southerners didn't want it either. So when those states tried to leave, they went against the will of half the southern population. The supreme court, the highest court in the land and the intepreter of the constitution, rules seccession illegal. It constituted rebellion, and lincoln had every right to prevent the rebellion.
@nobility85 And yes, it is evidence. The Articles stated that this union was to be perpetual. Do you know what perpetual means? It means everlasting. When the constitution was formed, it also was meant to be everlasting. I can provide backup to my statements. And besides, have you read the CSA constitution? It took away states right that they had with the Union. the CSA constitution made it illegal for ANY state to abolish slavery.
British mandate of 1921 to the Jews* Yeah, the south is losing intellectually... that's why all the good jobs are moving down here. that's why all the people with money are coming here, from the NE and western Europe. ( and that's also why i moved down here: to escape the crappy weather, taxes, and rude people of NY lol)
And you still offer no evidence that states can't leave the union. States were no informed, during the 1787, that they would be invaded if they no longer decided to be within a federalist form of government. Yes, the colonist knew exactly who they were: subjects of the King. ( the continental congress knew full well of their treason; especially after what happened in Boston, during the occupation)
@nobility85 The Articles of Confederfation and Perpetual Union. Sure, it has no legal value, but like the Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, it is used to interpret the constitution. The constitution is like a contract. Once your in, it is hard to leave. In fact, about half the south didn't want to secede, most of the north was against it. So the souther states weren't acting in the interest of their people. The north was.
What? The Arabs were never entitled to the west bank... the British promised that land to Israel, plus they refused to agree to the UN partition. I do not agree with giving danzing to Poland, as that was Prussian property. ( and frankly, I wish we had never got involved in the treaty of versaille) As to Saigon... it should go back to the ARVNS, because they were the true nationalists, not that internationalist/butcher HMC.( if you don't beleive me, jsut look at his own writings on Lennin's)
Hahahaha So you admit that it was a victor's ruling, then? Thanks for making my job easier. Treason you say? Lincoln was the real traitor; a traitor the constitution. Bah.. the colonies had no legal standing to break away from the British Empire, the States did- despite what your victor's court says to the contrary. ( Oh, and secession is the ultimate check against the tyranny of the federal government, btw.)
@nobility85 Uhhh, yeah. It was a victor's ruling- and about damn time after nearly 50 years of the court being ruled by Southerners and taking decision after decision to appease their "peculiar institution." The colonies were never consulted as to their status within the British empire- the states were after the failure of the Articles of Confederation and many Southerners [Pinckney, Madison] realized that the Union could only be entered into as a whole and only dissolved as a whole.
@nobility85 And once again- the South goes down in defeat to those damn yankees! First militarily, now intellectually! I'm saying the same thing to you as I'd say to a German who wanted Poland back, to an RVN soldier who wanted to retake "Saigon" or to an Arab who wanted the West Bank back- you tried your best, you failed miserably; the moral is: never try.
Oh, yeah... and Lincoln couldn't decalre war because that would recognize the confederacy. Lincoln lead an undeclared war; quartered troops on US soil; suspending habeas corpus; forcing states in the union; and suspending freedom of the press- what a wonderful man. Yes, yes, Jeff Davis did similar things, but here's the diff: THEY WERE BEING INVADED!
@nobility85 it doesnt matter! the confederacy thought they needed the institution of slavery which is absolutely immoral! I completely understand they wanted to preserve their way of life but abraham lincoln wasnt having it. And no the states cant secede whenever they want, thats not united! The states should work things out, not just leave. Its simaler to how the north wanted to secede before the war of 1812 began. They had no right to leave.
@rollotwomassey funny, obviously you know nothing about the civil war, or why it was fought. Slavery had nothing to do with the civil war or why it was fought.
@joecool224488 No, that strain of revisionism has been debunked. All the other reasons given [states' rights! Right to do......what?], tariffs [tariffs on cotton picked by.....whom?] given can be pared down to slavery as a root cause. Any serious scholar of the war will tell you slavery was the primary cause of the war.
@rollotwomassey What's your point? The constitution didn't prohibit SC from leaving the Union. Lincoln acted like a tyrant, by forcing the union on a people that didn't want it. (and not every state joined the confederacy because of slavery, ie VA and NC)
@nobility85 The Supreme Court disagrees with you. In Texas vs. White [1869] the SC held that that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null". The states voluntarily decided to form the Union, they could not destroy the Union because a guy they didn't like was elected President.
@rollotwomassey That's an activist decision on their part, then,Where does it say in the constitution that states can't leave the Union? What is this, the USSR? ( and as far as I'm concerned, Lincoln and his ilk destroyed federalism- read the 14 amendment.)
@nobility85 Look out, it's ACTIVISM! I think interpreting the Constitution is part of the Supreme Court's job description. If it helps, the issue was also adjudicated by force and the Union won. So, no secession from a legal or military standpoint. I like federalism in terms of education, healthcare and social policy- but treason, yeah, I don't want any hotheaded states going off half-cocked and threatening the security of the rest of the nation [ahem, Great Britain...].
@joecool224488 lol, slavery did have a huge affect on the civil war. It started because the union wanted to preserve the union while the south wanted to maintain their way of life, which includes the decision to work blacks without pay. Im sure the south would have eventually banned slavery but the civil war was definately a massive factor in the events leading to the american civil war
@Vassilli42 Actually there were other regiments that broke through on the flanks like where Jacksons men were because not all the Confederates were behind the wall which was on Marye's heights but the Confederate line stretched allot farther than the wall and Jacksons men were on the right flank where they were concealed on a wooded ridge in trenches. There Meade and Gibbon attacked and Meade broke through but was pushed back because Gibbons didn't support his breakthrough.
Someone should make a movie that includes 2nd Fredricksburg, which had the opposite result as the first. Most people don't know about it because the Battle of Chancellorsville was happening at the same time
@RiflemanLaramie 2nd Fredricksburg didn't have nearly as many casualties as the first battle of Fredricksburg and Sedgwick's men were able to overun the defenders because there wasn't as heavy of a defence because Jubal A. Early only had his reserve artillery and only 10,000 men to defend the position.
@pikeonfly1 dont talk alot of dick mate..... most of the irish went to the states during the famine while the scotch - irish were being planted and stealing land by the greedy english
my great great great uncle was killed here in this battle fighting for the Union's Irish Brigade. I'm so proud to have his blood running through my veins today
@lesmiseponine I was told his last name was cox, but my great uncle has his records. I also have two other ancestors more directly related to me both named Tom, who were killed as well. Tom Curry was in the 83rd NY. He was wounded and captured in the battle of the wildreness. He died at andersonville of scurvy on decenber 22nd, 1864. My other one, Tom Garville, was in that same regiment. He was at Toms side when he was wounded at the wildreness, but unfortunatly, he was shot in the head dead
"Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he [Abraham Lincoln] shouldn't have gone, gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was the — that iron, iron fist. " - Ron Paul
Every attrocity you throw the souths way I can throw one to match it the Union is responsible for.
BOTH sides were fighting for a good cause as well as an evil one.
BOTH sides lost hundreds of thousands of good young men to a war useless and uneeded.
Both sides soldiers should be respected.
You seem to think the Union was great and not guilty of evil attrocities the truth is BOTH sides were lead by evil greedy vicious bastards that used the poor in a game of chess
@Rao665 i didn't see the rich fighting or sending their sons to fight their wars. war is the ugliest business of them all, to someone's greed, regardless what side you are on!
@metalkrush77 Define rich back then, If your talking about doctors, a lot of doctors, teachers and well educated men and their sons signed up on both sides as officers. Some people who were extremely rich started their own regiments in hopes of fame.Such as Samuel Colt, He is the founder of the company colt which made the most popular pistol the colt revolver during the civil war as well as carbines and repeaters. He was one of the riches men in the USA and he formed a regiment.
Lol..."Did you really expect the South..." The CSA's attempt to coerce Border states into the CSA predates Ft. Sumter, Luv.
Ever hear of William Gilpin? I'm betting no. Gilpin was the territorial governor of Colorado. During the Secession Crisis, BEFORE hostilities broke out, at a time that Ole Davis was telling the world, that "the South just wanted to be left alone, Gilpin had a different perception...
@TexianPride ...Gilpin predicted that the South would attempt to invade the West, in an effort to seize the West's mineral wealth, and satisfy the CSA's ambitions of Empire. Lucky for CO, Gilpin took steps to prepare the territory for the impending invasion, because just one year later, that invasion came...personally authorized by Davis. The New Mexico Campaign. The Souths attempt to force NM, CO, and other Western territories into the Confederate Empire, against the wishes of their citizens
Respond to this video... As far as Booth is concerned...along with Forrest, Anderson, & Quantrill, Booth is revered by Confederate heritage as "true Southron heroes. I can't argue with that, since they ARE embodiment of Southern Christian "gentleman".
Booth wasn't simply an anomaly. At the start of the war Davis was a proponent of burning Northern cities.
Interesting book entitled "The Confederate Dirty War". It documents the CSA's effort to employ terrorism.
@TexianPride The US Constitution allows for exactly the war measures prosecuted by the Lincoln administration...which was the lawfully elected government suppressing an unlawful rebellion.
No doubt, their were abuses of that authority, which is inevitable during war time, but they PALED in comparison to what the CSA perpetrated on Southern Unionists. Join the Yahoo group "Confederate Atrocities" and educate yourself.
@TexianPride If the Union had been looking for a fight, they would have called for troops to put down the Slaver's Rebellion at the get go. If Northern & Western states had been looking for a fight, they would have attacked the South during the border war in KS.
Which brings me to an inconvenient truth about the South...the CW was the THIRD war prosecuted against it's neighbors over slavery. The first being the Mexican War, and the second being the KS Border War.
@TexianPride Texian it had to happen. The South would continue to secede and slavery would continue. They wouldn't listen to reasoning nor would the North. It wasn't right, but it had to happen.
@TexianPride "What is the point of"...A large portion of the South's white population were forced into secession by Southern politicians, so your statement is a gross overstatement.
Go to your local library, and check out the book "Bitterly Divided, The South's Inner Civil War"...David Williams. Also check out the blogs, Southern Unionist Chronicles, and Renegade South. There's a Southern perspective of the war, that has been deliberately suppressed by Confederate "heritage".
@UnionStatesHeritage The vast majority of the south was for seceession, no one with any time spent studying the civil war or the Confederacy would deny a portion of the south was against seceesion but its irrelevant. The south seceeded because the majority wanted to seceede.
Like all things the majority decided.
This happens everyday in poitics.
Majority wins minority looses.
Whats your point?
Also this view is in no way supressed more Neoconfederates are aware of this then not.
@TexianPride "The great popular heart is not now, and never has been in this war. It was a revolution of the politicians, not the people"...Zebulon Vance...NC Civil War Governor.
Yep...the overwhelming majority of Americans North, South, East & West, were opposed to secession, and lined up behind Lincoln, to defend the Union.
THAT is the whole point, and it's one that Lost Cause revisionism can't get round.
@TexianPride the south had less manpower but better generals like the germans in ww1 and ww2 better senior officers but not enough man power to sustain the war. but general lee was a genius
I live exactly where Burnside's Yankees were camped. We're just across the Rapphannock river. I have walked every inch of the hallowed battle grounds. Every time I cross the river or the canal, I can't help but think of the awful battle that took place on December 13, 1862 and those brave Americans that died that day.
@Madrock20 some Irish fought for the South for the independence cause, like they fought many times against the British.. and some for the North because the majority of them were to Northern States. In the movie 'Gangs of New York" you can see that many of them arrived in US and then had to go to the army.
@wolfencrow Nathaniel Gordon of Maine was tried, convicted, and executed in 1862 for being a slave trader. Read your history about the slave traders, almost exclusively in the NE. One account has them shackling 600 slaves to an anchor, then tossing them overboard to rid the evidence of slaves. Read the "Hanging of Nathaniel Gordon..."
@Nitrotech23 My own experience of living in Dublin, Georgia argues differently. The Catholic church in the town would fit in the foyer of any of the 6+ Protestant churches in the same town. Also, if you assess ancestry based on surnames, the Irish paled in numbers compared to the Scottish and English. However, more to the point is that the Southerners think of themselves more as Americans or Southerners than Irish, Scottish or English; indeed, that is why their heritage remains a controversy.
Whats so cool about the whole thing was how it was the poor Irish fighting the Scottish(indians,french,and black).Both ancestors.The Crown sold the Irish out to the Union to risk their lives for an American dispute they had no interest in except prospect of a future.We got used.The poor folks scrappin it out so the Federal govt.wont loose the resources of the South.The Union got their war in before technology made cotton slavery obsolete anyway.Breathtaking victory.Sit ubu,SIT!.'Good dog'.
Sigh none of this war was necessary it,would be better if Lincoln would just let the south be wat we dixie soldiers wanted and left us alone and not cause the death of 600,000+ american good men
@thewowgamer100 The Confederates fired on Union Forces first. They seceded in order to preserve the "Right" to own slaves. The war's root cause had always been slavery, even if it had begun as a war to reserve the Union. The South wanted to keep their slaves, and saw abolitionism as a threat to "their way of live" even though most southerners didn't own slaves. It's how southern politicians sold the idea to the average man. It was a war of greed on he South's part. Sold as "State's Rights".
@GeneralKenobiSIYE The Confederacy fought for the right of each state being able to govern itself independently. Confederacy itself means an alliance of independent states. No Confederate general supported slavery, not General Lee, not Stonewall Jackson, none. You call being shoved into the ghettos of Detroit, Toledo and New York freedom? If that's your definition of freedom you are sorely mistaken my friend. Most men joined because the Union was sending an army against its own people.
@JTWilliams74 Right. That's why a lot of them had slaves of their own right? Cause they didn't support it? That self govern malarkey is just that. Abolitionism was a threat to their profits to the rich stirred up rebellion. The "Self Governing" of each state is part of why the rebellion failed. There was little cohesion between them and they could not bring their resources to bear as efficiently as the north. I hardly think the "right" to keep slaves is a reason to split a country.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE. The South had the right to secede from the Union as per the Constitution. No it wasn't right to hold slaves. Lincoln did so many things that were unconstitutional to name here. Conscription of Irish immigrants was but one. Slavery to fight slavery? In a nut shell you are advocating that more than two wrongs made a right, which is hypocrisy and shows the level of ignorance in which you wallow. Stockholme Syndrome comes to mind. My family died on both sides for the Union's BS.
@QuantumKoala Right.. that's why Meagher had to ask for permission to leave for New York to recruit more men, but was never able to get more than a handful at a time. Cause they were illegally conscripted. Meagher was denied permission to recruit and resigned his commission over it. They were not conscripted, and it's why the Irish Brigade was never at full strength and pretty much ceased to exist after Gettysburg. Sure a lot were drafted, but EVERY ethnic group was drafted. Most Volunteered.
@QuantumKoala I don't so much mind secession but the REASON for doing so. it was an immoral and greedy reason for doing so. As such, is treason. My Irish family fought for Mexico and died for Mexico fighting the US in the Mexican American War. THEY were justified for leaving the US Army. They were ACTUALLY treated unfairly. The South was not. The South controlled the government until just before Lincoln's election and saw his abolitionist sympathies as a threat to their "southern way of life".
@JTWilliams74 Like it or not, the Civil War was a direct result of the Mexican-American War (which my ancestor fought in) which was waged on Mexico in order to expand slavery to the west coast. THAT particular war was started by the southern controlled government of the United States. Look this all up. It's true. Slavery would have died a natural death had it not been for the plantation owners who, up until then, had huge pull in Congress.
@JTWilliams74 what they did was nothing less than treason, as it cost over 600,000 brave Americans, North and South, their lives and nearly ripped a nation apart. You want proof that it was over slavery? Look at what happened after reconstruction. Blacks had the right to vote and hold office during. After it was over, the southern states flexed their "rights" and denied an entire people their rights as Americans until the 1960s. They wasted no time in practically re-enslaving them again.
@JTWilliams74 Pretty much every state's declarations of secession listed the abolition of slavery as their main reason for doing so. You average southerner who did not own slaves, was mislead to believe the "evil yankees" were going to change how they lived completely. We all saw the same shit happen before the Iraq War. The people were fed bullshit about WMDs and we went to war based on flat out lies. Erie parallels, only this time, the police state we now live in is ACTUALLY denying our rights
@JTWilliams74 As a patriot, I'm all for protecting our individual rights. They'll have to take my gun from my cold dead hands. But I would NEVER defend the so called "right" to deny another person their rights as Americans. That would be hypocritical to the extreme.
@thewowgamer100 Just to note, I am from Texas. My great grandfather's grandfather was an Irishman who fought for Mexico during the Mexican-American War with the Saint Patrick's Battalion.
@UnionStatesHeritage In what way can you justify calling Jeff Davis and the Confederate military demestic terrorists?
The Union jumped in to war without trying to be diplomatic.
The Confederacy had been trying to get Union troops out of Sumter through peacefull means for months.
The Union never ONCE tried to settle the Sumter incident through peacefull means Lincoln called for 70 thousand men to invade the south no questons asked.
@TexianPride 360,000 dead US soldiers. The continued enslavement of 4 MILLION people...nearly half the South's total population. The brutal reign of terror waged against white Southern Unionists. The invasion of East TN. The attempted invasion & annexation of CO & NM. The Invasions of MD, WV, KY, & MO. The Gainesville (TX) hanging. The unlawful arrest of John Minor Botts & Sam Houston. Confederate policy of executing Black Union soldiers. Lawrence KS. Shelton Laurel, Lincoln's assassination
@UnionStatesHeritage cont...The brutal mistreatment of the Lumbee, Comanche, and neutral Cherokee, and so on.
for a more thorough list, join the Yahoo group "Confederate Atrocities"...lots of documentation of the CSA's brutality, and war crimes. All of which originated with secessionists, and their regime.
Respond to this video... ...all justifiable causes for war. Yet, Union states did not got to war, until after Ft. Sumter, and only then after the lawfully elected President, went to ALL the states and territories, and ASKED for assistance.
@TexianPride In a letter to Braxton Bragg, Davis discussed using the border states as a means to draw the US into conflict. The letter also discusses the fact that Ft. Sumter, made pursuing that strategy unnecessary.
The Union was a model of restraint. During the Secession Crisis, the CSA was already fomenting trouble in the border states, attacking and seizing Federal property, dispossessing, terrorizing, & murdering US citizens in the South...Southern Unionists...
IT IS ALWAYS SAD WHEN WE THE CHILDREN OF THE GAEL HAVE TO KILL EACH OTHER. especially when both sides believe they are fighting for freedom, the first part was in caps because thats what i wanted to emphasize.
Its eerie at this wall at night. I went once at sunset on the anniversary of the battle and its amazing to see where so many had fallen. I go every year.
This is false. Meagher was shot here during the charge, he was also on a horse. He was hit in the leg, the reason was on the horse was because he had taken some shrapnel in the knee at Antietam. Good scene though.
Seven months later as Pickett's shattered brigades limped back to their lines the cry went up "Fredricksburg" "Fredricksburg" "Fredricksburg" "Fredricksburg"
this is really emotional. As a person of Scottish descent, I relate to this in the aspect that Scottish immigrants also fought each other, as well as their Irish brothers. My family, like many, was split in this war. a part of my family played a huge part in this war. I feel very strongly about this war, and everything involved with it.
I really feel this video with the music really shows how tragic the Civil War was for both sides; I had ancestors that fought for both sides; the music really adds to the undertone of how tragic and unjust the Civil War was; people say how Vietnam and the Iraq War should have never occured; I feel the Civil War should not have ever occured; around 1-2% of the US population died and this included the slaves who never got see freedom; Honor all those from both sides!!
@jettrink60 Vermont, however, was one of the most anti-slave states in the Union, having abolished slavery in its 1775 constitution, and John Brown had a lot of support from Vermonters. Although, many Vermonters still had misconceptions about blacks
there is nothing wrong with taking pride in southern heritage because i myself do, but to sit there and judge someone due to the color of their skin is undeniably wrong. i am proud to be a confederate descendent not because i because i think that the csa were in the right in the war, because neither sides were right, but because im glad to have someone in my family to be so brave to stand up against his own brethren simply to stand up for what he believes in.
it was a ruthless time for america and rather than debate on who was correct or not shouldnt be what people dwell upon. people should be respecting both the north and the south for the losses both sides suffered. i hate when racist and ignorant people say blatant things that give either side a bad name mainly due to the fact i live in georgia and i am the descendent of a confederate soldier and i have other family that fought for the csa. but i am proud of all my family that serves
that they wanted their own country so the north could not interfere with their economy because yes, it did rely on slavery to work properly but slavery was near to an end when the war rolled around due to the industrial revolution bringing machinery to the south rather than just the north. since the south would be able to afford big machinery they would have to rely on slave labor. neither side was politically correct in the war because both were out for each others neck.
im going to write a couple of long ass comments because i want to get my point across and its going to be more than 500 characters. the war wasnt entirely about slavery, anyone who sits there and says that slavery is the sole reason of the civil war is full of it. blacks were treated just as bad in the north as they were in the south, excluding the slave labor. the south had no intentions on winning the war just because they obviously couldnt, they just wanted to get a point across
@jettrink60 Hey stupid! "Yankee Wars?" What kind of ignorant Reb BS is that? Are you an American? Once the Civil War was over, we were all Americans again. Americans fought and died to protect this country and ALL it's people, North, South, East and West. Only a dumbass Reb clings to that old "Yankee" crap. Get over it!
everytime I watch this it really does show the tradgedy of the Civil War and the music fits the tradgedy too; so many deaths on both sides........ truly was an unjust war
That scene from Gods and Generals ALWAYS makes me cry, no matter how many times I see it. Even here on Youtube! ^^;
It's so tragic to see one's own countrymen, both as United States and former Irish citizens, hurting and killing each other. The "Haroo" scene made me cry all over again! ^^;
It's interesting, the clash between the Irish immigrants, Like a Civil War within a Civil War. Ive also heard of the french or descendents of french in special brigades The northern Duryees Zouaves and the South's Louisiana Tigers. I wonder if they ever directly clashed.
@mbabist01 They Union soldiers died too keep the united states united. Your a pitiful fool who thinks he knows somthing that he doesn't know anything about.
@XXGDUBSXX Guess again! The seceding states has the Constitutional RIGHT, as defined by the as defined by the Federalist Papers, to leave. Lincoln waged an unconstitutional war. If there is any pitiful fool here it is YOU, because you probably believe that the Constitution gives you the "right" to a job, a home, and OBAMACARE. Now, go kiss a nigger!
@mbabist01 "The seceding states has the Constitutional RIGHT, as defined by the as defined by the Federalist Papers, to leave. Lincoln waged an unconstitutional war."
The Constitution didn't give the South the right to steal federal weapons and attack federal forts.
@mbabist01 Wow. I bet you watch Fox News. You've bought all that revisionist history bullshit. The south seceded to keep slavery. Tariffs and states rights as reasons was bullshit. Southern politicians had lowered tariffs for the south and slave owners to an historic low. The rich convinced the stupid like yourself that it was over something else. Like Fox News does. I've studied the Civil War for over twenty years, so I think I may know a little more than you about the subject. You faggot.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE If you don't want to be divided,then why don't you go join back with Britain.You used to be one country but seceded.In fact,why not join back with France and Spain while we're at it.This country has always be divided.We are different people who are only similar in that we are in the same continent and are apart of the same damned union.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE isnt the right to keep a slave a state right? and if you are correct about the south having lower taxes, what do you think would happen once licoln banned slavery and shipped all the blacks back to africa? even though im somewhat ignorant about the politics during that time, however im certainly not ignorant inthe study of your constituation. slavery was a domestic right and therefore each state had its own rights to it
@GeneralKenobiSIYE continued: even though less then 1% of americans owned slaves, it was still contributed to the profit margin. just how you summed up the civil war shows that you are oviously a self rightous bleeding heart who studied liberal hearts and now you think your college educated
That 1% that owned slaves made up nearly have of the country's wealth and income. THAT'S how rich they were, and that's why they didn't want to give that kind of profit up by the abolition of slavery, which is an evil practice, no matter HOW you spin it. And no, I didn't study liberal arts. I've studied the Civil War for over 20 years, so I THINK I might know just a BIT more than you. No you're saying I'm a bleeding heart because I hate slavery. Does that mean you approve of it? You want slaves?
@GeneralKenobiSIYE half the nation's icome??? im calling bullshit because thats absolutly impossible, some industries that did not even implement slavery (foreign trade being the largest profitable sector), even in the cotton industries where most slaves worked, they were still the minority. i call you a bleeding heart because you dont present actual facts, you just state history the way you feel fit to justify your self rightous notion
Absolutely it was nearly half. At the time the United States supplied the majority of the world with it's cotton you dunce. I'm not presenting anything to justify myself. I AM presenting actual facts. Facts learned over two decades. how long have you studied the Civil War? How much do you THINK you know. You want to know where I get my facts? Pick up a damn book and find out. I have gone though literally every public library in my city and checked out every book on the subject at least once.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE i would like to see a source mr liberal arts scholar, because with all those industries outside of cotton farming, its very hard to believe this one industry produced more than half od america's income because less then 1% of americans owned slaves (and this 1 % were not just in the cotton field) it completly defies any logic
Then how do you explain how oil and coal were once the biggest after slavery was abolished? The steel industry in Pennsylvania was not even big by that point and the oil industry was still new. It was still trying to grow, but was being stifled by southern controlled tariff rates. How the fuck am I to supply a source when they are in books I read over twenty years? besides, what the hell do you know about it. You're not even from the Untied States.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE so let me get this strait, you tell me you read all these books then tell me that i dont know american history because i didnt grow up there? are you really that stupid? for your other two arguments, ill reply in a privite message tommorow
@tyronewashington1 What makes me stupid? It's like me telling you that you're wrong about your history. Just because I can throw out more about the Civil War and it's causes that you can ever dream of, I'm stupid? I have forgotten more about the history of the United States than you'll ever know son. Don't both replying because YOU are the one who never comes back with any facts. You just keep calling me a bleeding heart and not even stating why I'm wrong. You're the stupid one kid. Get fucked.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE LOL so i know less about american history because i didnt grow up in america? i guess in canada we dont get books on american history. and nevermind the history courses that are offered here on american history, i dont find it convient at all that they would make such classes when america is a whole 2 hours away from my house
@tyronewashington1 Wow, Holy shit. You took some classes an now you have a fucking PHD in American History. You suuuure showed me there. I wouldn't even both asking you certain questions because I know you'll wiki them anyway. But here is one: Where was John brown captured, what was he doing when he was captured and who led the raid to capture him?
@GeneralKenobiSIYE how am i sappose to answer that question, i never grew up in america so whatever i say will be dismissed because although i was required to learn about american history and i posess the internet to further my research, i still did not grow up in america so what do i know
@tyronewashington1 Figures. John Brown was captured at Harper's Ferry Virginia (now West Virginia). He and a group of men had captured the US Army arsenal there in an attempt to procure weapons to initiate a slave uprising. Col. Robert E. Lee lead the raid to recapture the arsenal and take John Brown and his men in. So you were required to learn but don't know this? So what do you really know of the Civil War? How can you possibly sit in front of your screen and pretend to know more than me?
@GeneralKenobiSIYE i do not agree with slavery, i actually agrees with licoln on the matter of shipping all the slaves back to africa, however back then if it was a state right to own a slave, then i would have top agree because since it is a domestic matter, then each state has their rights. i find it interesting how you can say so little about the war and poltics then say you know more then me
The politics of the day were controlled by southern politicians who were put there by the rich plantation owners in the south. Abolitionism was gaining momentum, and it was a threat to the cotton profits. When Lincoln was elected, the southerners saw him as a threat to slavery so they seceded in order to keep their slaves and money. This is ALL common knowledge. I don't know how you can see it as my 'bleeding heart' justifying myself when it's actually all true.
@mbabist01 In 1860, 4 million people in our country were practically dead. Their lives were meaningless, they were nothing but property. This war was a war to free a people who's "Poetry is not written yet, but will soon be as enviable or renowned as any." That statment has been proven correct. Think about it.
I think this video really captures the tragedy of the Civil War and how many families were divided; especially today since it is Confederate Memorial Day in Maryland.....
By the way...don't forget that a lot of Irish men fought i Southern Army and they were shooting - especially in Fredericksburg - to each other. It's so sad to see that in the war two nations are fighting each other especially when the nation is enslaved... we in Poland had same situation during World War I, when partited territories from Russia fought with partitied territories in Germany, Austria-Hungary. Add to this emigrates in France and UK. So sad, salut to for those brave men.
The Irish Brigade has been a model for me. I am Mexican-American (born in U.S. my parents are not) and I too, want to protect and defend the Constitution of United States of America. So help me God!
SnakeFang217 4 days ago
Cant be an irish brigade,they havent resorted to murdering women and children with terrorism...how sorry i forgot..only actions against US citizens is terrorism
andythehun09 1 week ago
The purest moment of bravery seen during the war. A Union General watching from afar noted that the Union troops attempting to take Marye's heights were like melting snow landing on warm ground as they were cut down. At Pickett's charge six months later, one cry rose above the Union lines as the confederates advanced across open ground..."FREDERICKSBURG!, FREDERICKSBURG!, FREDERICKSBURG!"
TheMerman1989 2 weeks ago
Also, please refer to the Federalist Papers #46- regarding to Madison's view on state militias and their defense against foreign and domestic tyranny.
nobility85 2 weeks ago
I make no excuses for slavery or southern aristocracy. You, on the other hand, make every excuse in the book for keeping a people subjugated to a "free" nation via force of arms. You also seem to think that slapping on a title of rebellion justifies Lincoln's aggression, suppression of the press, free speech, and right to habeas corpus. And, once again, i don't care what your victor's court says... if the south won, it would be a totally different story.
nobility85 2 weeks ago
Yes i do know what perpetual means.. Condescending prick. Just because you wish a government to be perpetual doesn't make it so; and you have still failed to tell me how that "perpetual" dream was to be enforced. (or the actual quote/ source) The founders and framers of the EU constitution envisioned a perpetual union, but i don't see them threatening member states with force of arms; and at least the USSR was willing to finally let go of member states that wanted out, unlike the US.
nobility85 2 weeks ago
Lincoln didn't go to war to end slavery.... and NE never succeeded- though the rest of the country thought they would, during the Hartford Convention of 1814. I still see no evidence that they had to stay in the union; this isn't the USSR.
nobility85 2 weeks ago
@nobility85 You are correct, he entered the war to save the Union. However, he also stated that he would do anything that would save the Union. That included passing the Emancipation Proclamation. The EP also prevented the French and the British from intervening on behalf of the South. Slavery was illegal in most of Western Europe.
The war was about ending slavery from the start though. Davis called the EP the most "vile thing man has ever done. It was clear what rights the CSA fought for.
815Sox 2 weeks ago
That is not evidence. The "contract" does to say that they couldn't leave, nor did it state the consequences. Actually, the north was the one full of draft riots and revolts, not the south; true, states like VA and NC didn't want to join the confederacy.... until Lincoln told them to go invade their neighbors.
nobility85 3 weeks ago
@nobility85 Most of the north didn't want the south to succeed, and at least half the southerners didn't want it either. So when those states tried to leave, they went against the will of half the southern population. The supreme court, the highest court in the land and the intepreter of the constitution, rules seccession illegal. It constituted rebellion, and lincoln had every right to prevent the rebellion.
PatrioticEagle50 2 weeks ago
@nobility85 And yes, it is evidence. The Articles stated that this union was to be perpetual. Do you know what perpetual means? It means everlasting. When the constitution was formed, it also was meant to be everlasting. I can provide backup to my statements. And besides, have you read the CSA constitution? It took away states right that they had with the Union. the CSA constitution made it illegal for ANY state to abolish slavery.
PatrioticEagle50 2 weeks ago
GOD BLESS THOSE CONFEDERATE IRISH HEROES! :)
MrDixieLove 4 weeks ago
British mandate of 1921 to the Jews* Yeah, the south is losing intellectually... that's why all the good jobs are moving down here. that's why all the people with money are coming here, from the NE and western Europe. ( and that's also why i moved down here: to escape the crappy weather, taxes, and rude people of NY lol)
nobility85 1 month ago
And you still offer no evidence that states can't leave the union. States were no informed, during the 1787, that they would be invaded if they no longer decided to be within a federalist form of government. Yes, the colonist knew exactly who they were: subjects of the King. ( the continental congress knew full well of their treason; especially after what happened in Boston, during the occupation)
nobility85 1 month ago
@nobility85 The Articles of Confederfation and Perpetual Union. Sure, it has no legal value, but like the Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, it is used to interpret the constitution. The constitution is like a contract. Once your in, it is hard to leave. In fact, about half the south didn't want to secede, most of the north was against it. So the souther states weren't acting in the interest of their people. The north was.
PatrioticEagle50 3 weeks ago
What? The Arabs were never entitled to the west bank... the British promised that land to Israel, plus they refused to agree to the UN partition. I do not agree with giving danzing to Poland, as that was Prussian property. ( and frankly, I wish we had never got involved in the treaty of versaille) As to Saigon... it should go back to the ARVNS, because they were the true nationalists, not that internationalist/butcher HMC.( if you don't beleive me, jsut look at his own writings on Lennin's)
nobility85 1 month ago
Hahahaha So you admit that it was a victor's ruling, then? Thanks for making my job easier. Treason you say? Lincoln was the real traitor; a traitor the constitution. Bah.. the colonies had no legal standing to break away from the British Empire, the States did- despite what your victor's court says to the contrary. ( Oh, and secession is the ultimate check against the tyranny of the federal government, btw.)
nobility85 1 month ago
@nobility85 Uhhh, yeah. It was a victor's ruling- and about damn time after nearly 50 years of the court being ruled by Southerners and taking decision after decision to appease their "peculiar institution." The colonies were never consulted as to their status within the British empire- the states were after the failure of the Articles of Confederation and many Southerners [Pinckney, Madison] realized that the Union could only be entered into as a whole and only dissolved as a whole.
rollotwomassey 1 month ago
@nobility85 And once again- the South goes down in defeat to those damn yankees! First militarily, now intellectually! I'm saying the same thing to you as I'd say to a German who wanted Poland back, to an RVN soldier who wanted to retake "Saigon" or to an Arab who wanted the West Bank back- you tried your best, you failed miserably; the moral is: never try.
rollotwomassey 1 month ago
Oh, yeah... and Lincoln couldn't decalre war because that would recognize the confederacy. Lincoln lead an undeclared war; quartered troops on US soil; suspending habeas corpus; forcing states in the union; and suspending freedom of the press- what a wonderful man. Yes, yes, Jeff Davis did similar things, but here's the diff: THEY WERE BEING INVADED!
nobility85 1 month ago
@nobility85 it doesnt matter! the confederacy thought they needed the institution of slavery which is absolutely immoral! I completely understand they wanted to preserve their way of life but abraham lincoln wasnt having it. And no the states cant secede whenever they want, thats not united! The states should work things out, not just leave. Its simaler to how the north wanted to secede before the war of 1812 began. They had no right to leave.
hellfire6028 2 weeks ago
Nice video and beautiful song- but bad movie! Mull the irony of recently-enslaved Irishmen fighting for slave-owning aristocrats!
rollotwomassey 1 month ago
@rollotwomassey funny, obviously you know nothing about the civil war, or why it was fought. Slavery had nothing to do with the civil war or why it was fought.
joecool224488 1 month ago
@joecool224488 No, that strain of revisionism has been debunked. All the other reasons given [states' rights! Right to do......what?], tariffs [tariffs on cotton picked by.....whom?] given can be pared down to slavery as a root cause. Any serious scholar of the war will tell you slavery was the primary cause of the war.
rollotwomassey 1 month ago
@rollotwomassey What's your point? The constitution didn't prohibit SC from leaving the Union. Lincoln acted like a tyrant, by forcing the union on a people that didn't want it. (and not every state joined the confederacy because of slavery, ie VA and NC)
nobility85 1 month ago
@nobility85 The Supreme Court disagrees with you. In Texas vs. White [1869] the SC held that that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null". The states voluntarily decided to form the Union, they could not destroy the Union because a guy they didn't like was elected President.
rollotwomassey 1 month ago
@rollotwomassey That's an activist decision on their part, then,Where does it say in the constitution that states can't leave the Union? What is this, the USSR? ( and as far as I'm concerned, Lincoln and his ilk destroyed federalism- read the 14 amendment.)
nobility85 1 month ago
@nobility85 Look out, it's ACTIVISM! I think interpreting the Constitution is part of the Supreme Court's job description. If it helps, the issue was also adjudicated by force and the Union won. So, no secession from a legal or military standpoint. I like federalism in terms of education, healthcare and social policy- but treason, yeah, I don't want any hotheaded states going off half-cocked and threatening the security of the rest of the nation [ahem, Great Britain...].
rollotwomassey 1 month ago
@joecool224488 lol, slavery did have a huge affect on the civil war. It started because the union wanted to preserve the union while the south wanted to maintain their way of life, which includes the decision to work blacks without pay. Im sure the south would have eventually banned slavery but the civil war was definately a massive factor in the events leading to the american civil war
hellfire6028 2 weeks ago
Of all the units at Fredricksburg. The irsh Brigade got the closest to the confederate lines.
Vassilli42 1 month ago
@Vassilli42 Actually there were other regiments that broke through on the flanks like where Jacksons men were because not all the Confederates were behind the wall which was on Marye's heights but the Confederate line stretched allot farther than the wall and Jacksons men were on the right flank where they were concealed on a wooded ridge in trenches. There Meade and Gibbon attacked and Meade broke through but was pushed back because Gibbons didn't support his breakthrough.
AUG351 1 month ago
@AUG351 Sorry what I ment was that the Irish Brigade got the closest the wall on Marye's Heights.
Vassilli42 1 month ago
Someone should make a movie that includes 2nd Fredricksburg, which had the opposite result as the first. Most people don't know about it because the Battle of Chancellorsville was happening at the same time
RiflemanLaramie 2 months ago
@RiflemanLaramie 2nd Fredricksburg didn't have nearly as many casualties as the first battle of Fredricksburg and Sedgwick's men were able to overun the defenders because there wasn't as heavy of a defence because Jubal A. Early only had his reserve artillery and only 10,000 men to defend the position.
AUG351 2 months ago
The Irish in the southern states were mostly Scotch Irish who came to Ameri. The Irish that fought for the Union where from the
pikeonfly1 2 months ago
@pikeonfly1 dont talk alot of dick mate..... most of the irish went to the states during the famine while the scotch - irish were being planted and stealing land by the greedy english
MrIrishrover2011 2 months ago
Confederacy ftw!
thewowgamer100 2 months ago
lost of good irish man what a wast r i p
MichaelMcDaid1957 2 months ago
@MichaelMcDaid1957 They all helped create the bitch of a nation we know today...
TheMatstan 2 months ago
my great great great uncle was killed here in this battle fighting for the Union's Irish Brigade. I'm so proud to have his blood running through my veins today
CPAirsoft100 3 months ago
@CPAirsoft100 That is so cool! What's your great great uncle's name?
lesmiseponine 2 months ago
@lesmiseponine I was told his last name was cox, but my great uncle has his records. I also have two other ancestors more directly related to me both named Tom, who were killed as well. Tom Curry was in the 83rd NY. He was wounded and captured in the battle of the wildreness. He died at andersonville of scurvy on decenber 22nd, 1864. My other one, Tom Garville, was in that same regiment. He was at Toms side when he was wounded at the wildreness, but unfortunatly, he was shot in the head dead
CPAirsoft100 2 months ago
@CPAirsoft100 Thanks. That is really interesting.
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"Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he [Abraham Lincoln] shouldn't have gone, gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was the — that iron, iron fist. " - Ron Paul
Sistarovat 3 months ago
Every attrocity you throw the souths way I can throw one to match it the Union is responsible for.
BOTH sides were fighting for a good cause as well as an evil one.
BOTH sides lost hundreds of thousands of good young men to a war useless and uneeded.
Both sides soldiers should be respected.
You seem to think the Union was great and not guilty of evil attrocities the truth is BOTH sides were lead by evil greedy vicious bastards that used the poor in a game of chess
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride "BOTH sides were lead by evil greedy vicious bastards that used the poor in a game of chess.."
You've got to be joking right? when someone is losing an argument, the easiest thing to do is blame the "rich" I suppose.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 i didn't see the rich fighting or sending their sons to fight their wars. war is the ugliest business of them all, to someone's greed, regardless what side you are on!
metalkrush77 3 months ago
@metalkrush77 Define rich back then, If your talking about doctors, a lot of doctors, teachers and well educated men and their sons signed up on both sides as officers. Some people who were extremely rich started their own regiments in hopes of fame.Such as Samuel Colt, He is the founder of the company colt which made the most popular pistol the colt revolver during the civil war as well as carbines and repeaters. He was one of the riches men in the USA and he formed a regiment.
mcennis4545 1 month ago
The Union was invading the south lol
Did you really expect the south not to try and mount a counter invasion lol
You can try and act like our invasion was brutal and unjust but coming from the nation that supported SHERMANS MARCH thats kind of hypocritcal.
The south arrested northern sympathisers just as the north did to southern supporters in the north.
Booths assasination was done by a SINGLE MAN not by the south you fool.
You cannot blaime the south for one mans insanity.
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride
Lol..."Did you really expect the South..." The CSA's attempt to coerce Border states into the CSA predates Ft. Sumter, Luv.
Ever hear of William Gilpin? I'm betting no. Gilpin was the territorial governor of Colorado. During the Secession Crisis, BEFORE hostilities broke out, at a time that Ole Davis was telling the world, that "the South just wanted to be left alone, Gilpin had a different perception...
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@TexianPride ...Gilpin predicted that the South would attempt to invade the West, in an effort to seize the West's mineral wealth, and satisfy the CSA's ambitions of Empire. Lucky for CO, Gilpin took steps to prepare the territory for the impending invasion, because just one year later, that invasion came...personally authorized by Davis. The New Mexico Campaign. The Souths attempt to force NM, CO, and other Western territories into the Confederate Empire, against the wishes of their citizens
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
Respond to this video... As far as Booth is concerned...along with Forrest, Anderson, & Quantrill, Booth is revered by Confederate heritage as "true Southron heroes. I can't argue with that, since they ARE embodiment of Southern Christian "gentleman".
Booth wasn't simply an anomaly. At the start of the war Davis was a proponent of burning Northern cities.
Interesting book entitled "The Confederate Dirty War". It documents the CSA's effort to employ terrorism.
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
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@TexianPride "The Union was invading the south lol
Did you really expect the south not to try and mount a counter invasion lol"
lol I don't get it, are you laughing at your own comments now lol? Are you really using Lol as part of historical debate lol?
Rao665 3 months ago
The union is also guilty of these crimes.
Arresting Southern sympathisers.
Shutting down news papers for speaking out againt the war.
CHICAGO UNDER MASHALL LAW.
Trying US citizens in military court.
The Union was responsible for just as many crimes.
Abraham Lincoln jumped in to war when there was no cause.
Instead of trying to get some kind of truce from the CSA then declared war and sent 70 thousand men to invade.
Lincoln and the Union was looking for a fight to deny it is insane.
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride The US Constitution allows for exactly the war measures prosecuted by the Lincoln administration...which was the lawfully elected government suppressing an unlawful rebellion.
No doubt, their were abuses of that authority, which is inevitable during war time, but they PALED in comparison to what the CSA perpetrated on Southern Unionists. Join the Yahoo group "Confederate Atrocities" and educate yourself.
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@TexianPride If the Union had been looking for a fight, they would have called for troops to put down the Slaver's Rebellion at the get go. If Northern & Western states had been looking for a fight, they would have attacked the South during the border war in KS.
Which brings me to an inconvenient truth about the South...the CW was the THIRD war prosecuted against it's neighbors over slavery. The first being the Mexican War, and the second being the KS Border War.
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@mrmastermind29 The south did not draw blood and let ALL union soldiers in sumter return north.
The Union called for an armed invasion of the south.
Which to you sounds like the begining of a war?
To any reasonable man the war began the second Virginia seceeded when she refused to invade her kin.
TexianPride 3 months ago
How come nobody gets wounded in this battle? They're all dropping dead.
TruegrassBoy 3 months ago
@TexianPride Texian it had to happen. The South would continue to secede and slavery would continue. They wouldn't listen to reasoning nor would the North. It wasn't right, but it had to happen.
EthanFoley 3 months ago
@EthanFoley Like nearly every war in history it could have been avoided if people would have just sat and thought it through.
What is the point of freeing four million men only to force five million men in to a union they did not want to be apart of?
The hypocrisy of it is incredible.
The war did not need to happen.
Slavery like all things had an experation date on it.
Slavery would not have lasted in to the 20th century.
Modern farming equipment arrived in the 1880s.
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride "What is the point of"...A large portion of the South's white population were forced into secession by Southern politicians, so your statement is a gross overstatement.
Go to your local library, and check out the book "Bitterly Divided, The South's Inner Civil War"...David Williams. Also check out the blogs, Southern Unionist Chronicles, and Renegade South. There's a Southern perspective of the war, that has been deliberately suppressed by Confederate "heritage".
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage The vast majority of the south was for seceession, no one with any time spent studying the civil war or the Confederacy would deny a portion of the south was against seceesion but its irrelevant. The south seceeded because the majority wanted to seceede.
Like all things the majority decided.
This happens everyday in poitics.
Majority wins minority looses.
Whats your point?
Also this view is in no way supressed more Neoconfederates are aware of this then not.
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride "The great popular heart is not now, and never has been in this war. It was a revolution of the politicians, not the people"...Zebulon Vance...NC Civil War Governor.
Yep...the overwhelming majority of Americans North, South, East & West, were opposed to secession, and lined up behind Lincoln, to defend the Union.
THAT is the whole point, and it's one that Lost Cause revisionism can't get round.
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@TexianPride the south had less manpower but better generals like the germans in ww1 and ww2 better senior officers but not enough man power to sustain the war. but general lee was a genius
1860george 3 months ago
The Battle of Fredericksburg. Immigrant Irishmen fighting each other because they were on opposite sides. Very sad. :(
elfdream2007 3 months ago
well done, cool
joergn83 3 months ago
Is that confederate general who breaks down in tears at the end Patrick Cleburne?
ephabouyed 3 months ago
This video shows how war is terrible for those on the frontline.
ephabouyed 3 months ago
I live exactly where Burnside's Yankees were camped. We're just across the Rapphannock river. I have walked every inch of the hallowed battle grounds. Every time I cross the river or the canal, I can't help but think of the awful battle that took place on December 13, 1862 and those brave Americans that died that day.
lwilde 4 months ago
LOTR music?
ANZACS100 4 months ago
I see Irish and americans on both sides :/ (I'm canadian, dont know the story sorry)
Madrock20 4 months ago
@Madrock20 some Irish fought for the South for the independence cause, like they fought many times against the British.. and some for the North because the majority of them were to Northern States. In the movie 'Gangs of New York" you can see that many of them arrived in US and then had to go to the army.
I don't know the story very well...
matheuslrr 4 months ago
@matheuslrr thank you :)
Madrock20 4 months ago
I dont know what it is about this video but it gives me the chills every time!
Kdawg195 4 months ago
@wolfencrow Nathaniel Gordon of Maine was tried, convicted, and executed in 1862 for being a slave trader. Read your history about the slave traders, almost exclusively in the NE. One account has them shackling 600 slaves to an anchor, then tossing them overboard to rid the evidence of slaves. Read the "Hanging of Nathaniel Gordon..."
infonomics 4 months ago
@Nitrotech23 My own experience of living in Dublin, Georgia argues differently. The Catholic church in the town would fit in the foyer of any of the 6+ Protestant churches in the same town. Also, if you assess ancestry based on surnames, the Irish paled in numbers compared to the Scottish and English. However, more to the point is that the Southerners think of themselves more as Americans or Southerners than Irish, Scottish or English; indeed, that is why their heritage remains a controversy.
infonomics 4 months ago
Whats so cool about the whole thing was how it was the poor Irish fighting the Scottish(indians,french,and black).Both ancestors.The Crown sold the Irish out to the Union to risk their lives for an American dispute they had no interest in except prospect of a future.We got used.The poor folks scrappin it out so the Federal govt.wont loose the resources of the South.The Union got their war in before technology made cotton slavery obsolete anyway.Breathtaking victory.Sit ubu,SIT!.'Good dog'.
swamplight79 4 months ago
@JTWilliams74 ty for provin my point :)
thewowgamer100 4 months ago
Sigh none of this war was necessary it,would be better if Lincoln would just let the south be wat we dixie soldiers wanted and left us alone and not cause the death of 600,000+ american good men
thewowgamer100 5 months ago
@thewowgamer100 The Confederates fired on Union Forces first. They seceded in order to preserve the "Right" to own slaves. The war's root cause had always been slavery, even if it had begun as a war to reserve the Union. The South wanted to keep their slaves, and saw abolitionism as a threat to "their way of live" even though most southerners didn't own slaves. It's how southern politicians sold the idea to the average man. It was a war of greed on he South's part. Sold as "State's Rights".
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE The Confederacy fought for the right of each state being able to govern itself independently. Confederacy itself means an alliance of independent states. No Confederate general supported slavery, not General Lee, not Stonewall Jackson, none. You call being shoved into the ghettos of Detroit, Toledo and New York freedom? If that's your definition of freedom you are sorely mistaken my friend. Most men joined because the Union was sending an army against its own people.
JTWilliams74 4 months ago
@JTWilliams74 Right. That's why a lot of them had slaves of their own right? Cause they didn't support it? That self govern malarkey is just that. Abolitionism was a threat to their profits to the rich stirred up rebellion. The "Self Governing" of each state is part of why the rebellion failed. There was little cohesion between them and they could not bring their resources to bear as efficiently as the north. I hardly think the "right" to keep slaves is a reason to split a country.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE. The South had the right to secede from the Union as per the Constitution. No it wasn't right to hold slaves. Lincoln did so many things that were unconstitutional to name here. Conscription of Irish immigrants was but one. Slavery to fight slavery? In a nut shell you are advocating that more than two wrongs made a right, which is hypocrisy and shows the level of ignorance in which you wallow. Stockholme Syndrome comes to mind. My family died on both sides for the Union's BS.
QuantumKoala 4 months ago
@QuantumKoala Right.. that's why Meagher had to ask for permission to leave for New York to recruit more men, but was never able to get more than a handful at a time. Cause they were illegally conscripted. Meagher was denied permission to recruit and resigned his commission over it. They were not conscripted, and it's why the Irish Brigade was never at full strength and pretty much ceased to exist after Gettysburg. Sure a lot were drafted, but EVERY ethnic group was drafted. Most Volunteered.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@QuantumKoala I don't so much mind secession but the REASON for doing so. it was an immoral and greedy reason for doing so. As such, is treason. My Irish family fought for Mexico and died for Mexico fighting the US in the Mexican American War. THEY were justified for leaving the US Army. They were ACTUALLY treated unfairly. The South was not. The South controlled the government until just before Lincoln's election and saw his abolitionist sympathies as a threat to their "southern way of life".
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@JTWilliams74 Like it or not, the Civil War was a direct result of the Mexican-American War (which my ancestor fought in) which was waged on Mexico in order to expand slavery to the west coast. THAT particular war was started by the southern controlled government of the United States. Look this all up. It's true. Slavery would have died a natural death had it not been for the plantation owners who, up until then, had huge pull in Congress.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@JTWilliams74 what they did was nothing less than treason, as it cost over 600,000 brave Americans, North and South, their lives and nearly ripped a nation apart. You want proof that it was over slavery? Look at what happened after reconstruction. Blacks had the right to vote and hold office during. After it was over, the southern states flexed their "rights" and denied an entire people their rights as Americans until the 1960s. They wasted no time in practically re-enslaving them again.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@JTWilliams74 Pretty much every state's declarations of secession listed the abolition of slavery as their main reason for doing so. You average southerner who did not own slaves, was mislead to believe the "evil yankees" were going to change how they lived completely. We all saw the same shit happen before the Iraq War. The people were fed bullshit about WMDs and we went to war based on flat out lies. Erie parallels, only this time, the police state we now live in is ACTUALLY denying our rights
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@JTWilliams74 As a patriot, I'm all for protecting our individual rights. They'll have to take my gun from my cold dead hands. But I would NEVER defend the so called "right" to deny another person their rights as Americans. That would be hypocritical to the extreme.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@thewowgamer100 Just to note, I am from Texas. My great grandfather's grandfather was an Irishman who fought for Mexico during the Mexican-American War with the Saint Patrick's Battalion.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 4 months ago
@thewowgamer100 At the expense of 4,000,000 fellow Americans still held in bondage and how many more generations to follow? No thanks.
Shafeone 4 months ago
@Shafeone When will yankees figure out war is never the answer?
Why cant they conprehend that things can be worked out with bloodshed.
Yankees cant help but send in millions of soliders to die without even trying to come to some kind of aggreement.
So many died because the US didnt stop and say wait lets figure this out without 600 thousand men haveing to die in a useless war.
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride That's a question you should be asking the domestic terrorists who started the war...Jeff Davis and company.
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage In what way can you justify calling Jeff Davis and the Confederate military demestic terrorists?
The Union jumped in to war without trying to be diplomatic.
The Confederacy had been trying to get Union troops out of Sumter through peacefull means for months.
The Union never ONCE tried to settle the Sumter incident through peacefull means Lincoln called for 70 thousand men to invade the south no questons asked.
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride 360,000 dead US soldiers. The continued enslavement of 4 MILLION people...nearly half the South's total population. The brutal reign of terror waged against white Southern Unionists. The invasion of East TN. The attempted invasion & annexation of CO & NM. The Invasions of MD, WV, KY, & MO. The Gainesville (TX) hanging. The unlawful arrest of John Minor Botts & Sam Houston. Confederate policy of executing Black Union soldiers. Lawrence KS. Shelton Laurel, Lincoln's assassination
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage cont...The brutal mistreatment of the Lumbee, Comanche, and neutral Cherokee, and so on.
for a more thorough list, join the Yahoo group "Confederate Atrocities"...lots of documentation of the CSA's brutality, and war crimes. All of which originated with secessionists, and their regime.
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
Respond to this video... ...all justifiable causes for war. Yet, Union states did not got to war, until after Ft. Sumter, and only then after the lawfully elected President, went to ALL the states and territories, and ASKED for assistance.
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
@TexianPride In a letter to Braxton Bragg, Davis discussed using the border states as a means to draw the US into conflict. The letter also discusses the fact that Ft. Sumter, made pursuing that strategy unnecessary.
The Union was a model of restraint. During the Secession Crisis, the CSA was already fomenting trouble in the border states, attacking and seizing Federal property, dispossessing, terrorizing, & murdering US citizens in the South...Southern Unionists...
UnionStatesHeritage 3 months ago
IT IS ALWAYS SAD WHEN WE THE CHILDREN OF THE GAEL HAVE TO KILL EACH OTHER. especially when both sides believe they are fighting for freedom, the first part was in caps because thats what i wanted to emphasize.
Yorgar 5 months ago
Its eerie at this wall at night. I went once at sunset on the anniversary of the battle and its amazing to see where so many had fallen. I go every year.
Imachowderhead 5 months ago
usa\ ireland take pride take pride
martinwalshe52 5 months ago 2
@martinwalshe52 whatching this HAS to bring out the heritage if its doesnt ur emo
blackpearlfan01 5 months ago
This is false. Meagher was shot here during the charge, he was also on a horse. He was hit in the leg, the reason was on the horse was because he had taken some shrapnel in the knee at Antietam. Good scene though.
history32jr 5 months ago
Irish fighting Irish... Sad!
Xofretfird 5 months ago
BTW.Liked the cheer at the end.It's called Respect.
billyhunchback 5 months ago
Seven months later as Pickett's shattered brigades limped back to their lines the cry went up "Fredricksburg" "Fredricksburg" "Fredricksburg" "Fredricksburg"
mpetersen6 5 months ago
this is really emotional. As a person of Scottish descent, I relate to this in the aspect that Scottish immigrants also fought each other, as well as their Irish brothers. My family, like many, was split in this war. a part of my family played a huge part in this war. I feel very strongly about this war, and everything involved with it.
Nick22pr 6 months ago
I'm Asian and hot no ancestors in the Civil War, lol.
LastXdeth 6 months ago
paddys killing micks..
whats new
the usa gave them hope
mushroom2you 6 months ago
I really feel this video with the music really shows how tragic the Civil War was for both sides; I had ancestors that fought for both sides; the music really adds to the undertone of how tragic and unjust the Civil War was; people say how Vietnam and the Iraq War should have never occured; I feel the Civil War should not have ever occured; around 1-2% of the US population died and this included the slaves who never got see freedom; Honor all those from both sides!!
redskins1111 6 months ago
@jettrink60 Vermont, however, was one of the most anti-slave states in the Union, having abolished slavery in its 1775 constitution, and John Brown had a lot of support from Vermonters. Although, many Vermonters still had misconceptions about blacks
RiflemanLaramie 6 months ago
the music doesnt really fit...
Fr1392 6 months ago
@Fr1392 yes it does, this isn't suppose to be a action scene, it's a tribute to real soldiers.
PresidentDRCI 6 months ago
@PresidentDRCI i am aware of that, but i dont think that it fits anyway!
Fr1392 6 months ago
@Fr1392 so you want heavy metal for a memorial song? okay, just find the raw footage and make it how you want it.
PresidentDRCI 6 months ago
@PresidentDRCI no i dont want heavy metal. i just said that i dont think that enya fits -,-
Fr1392 5 months ago
@Fr1392 okay, then what.
PresidentDRCI 5 months ago
@Fr1392 ;Enya fits because its sad.
billyhunchback 5 months ago
My descendants were split up during the war so I respect both sides I take the southern side though because they lost so much during the war
asteng454 6 months ago
To the front line men of the American Civil War on both sides, brothers divided by a line Harroo or Hurrah!
californiafart 7 months ago
there is nothing wrong with taking pride in southern heritage because i myself do, but to sit there and judge someone due to the color of their skin is undeniably wrong. i am proud to be a confederate descendent not because i because i think that the csa were in the right in the war, because neither sides were right, but because im glad to have someone in my family to be so brave to stand up against his own brethren simply to stand up for what he believes in.
dalton9931 7 months ago 2
it was a ruthless time for america and rather than debate on who was correct or not shouldnt be what people dwell upon. people should be respecting both the north and the south for the losses both sides suffered. i hate when racist and ignorant people say blatant things that give either side a bad name mainly due to the fact i live in georgia and i am the descendent of a confederate soldier and i have other family that fought for the csa. but i am proud of all my family that serves
dalton9931 7 months ago 2
that they wanted their own country so the north could not interfere with their economy because yes, it did rely on slavery to work properly but slavery was near to an end when the war rolled around due to the industrial revolution bringing machinery to the south rather than just the north. since the south would be able to afford big machinery they would have to rely on slave labor. neither side was politically correct in the war because both were out for each others neck.
dalton9931 7 months ago 2
im going to write a couple of long ass comments because i want to get my point across and its going to be more than 500 characters. the war wasnt entirely about slavery, anyone who sits there and says that slavery is the sole reason of the civil war is full of it. blacks were treated just as bad in the north as they were in the south, excluding the slave labor. the south had no intentions on winning the war just because they obviously couldnt, they just wanted to get a point across
dalton9931 7 months ago 2
@jettrink60 Hey stupid! "Yankee Wars?" What kind of ignorant Reb BS is that? Are you an American? Once the Civil War was over, we were all Americans again. Americans fought and died to protect this country and ALL it's people, North, South, East and West. Only a dumbass Reb clings to that old "Yankee" crap. Get over it!
dougalmac54 7 months ago
everytime I watch this it really does show the tradgedy of the Civil War and the music fits the tradgedy too; so many deaths on both sides........ truly was an unjust war
redskins1111 7 months ago
It's very sad to see brother fighting against brother.
expertstrategy 7 months ago
That scene from Gods and Generals ALWAYS makes me cry, no matter how many times I see it. Even here on Youtube! ^^;
It's so tragic to see one's own countrymen, both as United States and former Irish citizens, hurting and killing each other. The "Haroo" scene made me cry all over again! ^^;
DaChristian101 7 months ago
God Save America, I hope one day they will remember it when our backs are to the walls.
As Dia agus Eire.
gespb32 7 months ago
It's interesting, the clash between the Irish immigrants, Like a Civil War within a Civil War. Ive also heard of the french or descendents of french in special brigades The northern Duryees Zouaves and the South's Louisiana Tigers. I wonder if they ever directly clashed.
XXGDUBSXX 7 months ago
Great video,Beautiful song
XXGDUBSXX 7 months ago
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And, what did they die for? The NIGGER. The ungrateful, vicious, retarded NIGGER.
mbabist01 7 months ago
@mbabist01 They Union soldiers died too keep the united states united. Your a pitiful fool who thinks he knows somthing that he doesn't know anything about.
XXGDUBSXX 7 months ago
@XXGDUBSXX Guess again! The seceding states has the Constitutional RIGHT, as defined by the as defined by the Federalist Papers, to leave. Lincoln waged an unconstitutional war. If there is any pitiful fool here it is YOU, because you probably believe that the Constitution gives you the "right" to a job, a home, and OBAMACARE. Now, go kiss a nigger!
mbabist01 7 months ago
@mbabist01 You have no idea how I think at all, So why don't you just keep being angry.
XXGDUBSXX 7 months ago
@XXGDUBSXX You are one stupid ass who knows nothing of the Constitution nor of history, now never post to me again. Troll!
mbabist01 7 months ago
@mbabist01 I wish you well friend, I hope you relinquesh that bitterness inside you one day.
XXGDUBSXX 7 months ago
@mbabist01 "The seceding states has the Constitutional RIGHT, as defined by the as defined by the Federalist Papers, to leave. Lincoln waged an unconstitutional war."
The Constitution didn't give the South the right to steal federal weapons and attack federal forts.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@mbabist01 Where in the constitution does it state the right for a state to secede?
PatrioticEagle50 7 months ago
@mbabist01 Wow. I bet you watch Fox News. You've bought all that revisionist history bullshit. The south seceded to keep slavery. Tariffs and states rights as reasons was bullshit. Southern politicians had lowered tariffs for the south and slave owners to an historic low. The rich convinced the stupid like yourself that it was over something else. Like Fox News does. I've studied the Civil War for over twenty years, so I think I may know a little more than you about the subject. You faggot.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Ad hominem much?
jhfrank87 7 months ago
@jhfrank87 At least it's not fallacious. Everything said is true.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@jhfrank87 It's also infuriating, because these are the same idiot people who are dividing this country again!
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE If you don't want to be divided,then why don't you go join back with Britain.You used to be one country but seceded.In fact,why not join back with France and Spain while we're at it.This country has always be divided.We are different people who are only similar in that we are in the same continent and are apart of the same damned union.
rimidalv47 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE isnt the right to keep a slave a state right? and if you are correct about the south having lower taxes, what do you think would happen once licoln banned slavery and shipped all the blacks back to africa? even though im somewhat ignorant about the politics during that time, however im certainly not ignorant inthe study of your constituation. slavery was a domestic right and therefore each state had its own rights to it
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE continued: even though less then 1% of americans owned slaves, it was still contributed to the profit margin. just how you summed up the civil war shows that you are oviously a self rightous bleeding heart who studied liberal hearts and now you think your college educated
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
That 1% that owned slaves made up nearly have of the country's wealth and income. THAT'S how rich they were, and that's why they didn't want to give that kind of profit up by the abolition of slavery, which is an evil practice, no matter HOW you spin it. And no, I didn't study liberal arts. I've studied the Civil War for over 20 years, so I THINK I might know just a BIT more than you. No you're saying I'm a bleeding heart because I hate slavery. Does that mean you approve of it? You want slaves?
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE half the nation's icome??? im calling bullshit because thats absolutly impossible, some industries that did not even implement slavery (foreign trade being the largest profitable sector), even in the cotton industries where most slaves worked, they were still the minority. i call you a bleeding heart because you dont present actual facts, you just state history the way you feel fit to justify your self rightous notion
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
Absolutely it was nearly half. At the time the United States supplied the majority of the world with it's cotton you dunce. I'm not presenting anything to justify myself. I AM presenting actual facts. Facts learned over two decades. how long have you studied the Civil War? How much do you THINK you know. You want to know where I get my facts? Pick up a damn book and find out. I have gone though literally every public library in my city and checked out every book on the subject at least once.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE i would like to see a source mr liberal arts scholar, because with all those industries outside of cotton farming, its very hard to believe this one industry produced more than half od america's income because less then 1% of americans owned slaves (and this 1 % were not just in the cotton field) it completly defies any logic
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
Then how do you explain how oil and coal were once the biggest after slavery was abolished? The steel industry in Pennsylvania was not even big by that point and the oil industry was still new. It was still trying to grow, but was being stifled by southern controlled tariff rates. How the fuck am I to supply a source when they are in books I read over twenty years? besides, what the hell do you know about it. You're not even from the Untied States.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE so let me get this strait, you tell me you read all these books then tell me that i dont know american history because i didnt grow up there? are you really that stupid? for your other two arguments, ill reply in a privite message tommorow
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
@tyronewashington1 What makes me stupid? It's like me telling you that you're wrong about your history. Just because I can throw out more about the Civil War and it's causes that you can ever dream of, I'm stupid? I have forgotten more about the history of the United States than you'll ever know son. Don't both replying because YOU are the one who never comes back with any facts. You just keep calling me a bleeding heart and not even stating why I'm wrong. You're the stupid one kid. Get fucked.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE LOL so i know less about american history because i didnt grow up in america? i guess in canada we dont get books on american history. and nevermind the history courses that are offered here on american history, i dont find it convient at all that they would make such classes when america is a whole 2 hours away from my house
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
@tyronewashington1 Wow, Holy shit. You took some classes an now you have a fucking PHD in American History. You suuuure showed me there. I wouldn't even both asking you certain questions because I know you'll wiki them anyway. But here is one: Where was John brown captured, what was he doing when he was captured and who led the raid to capture him?
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE how am i sappose to answer that question, i never grew up in america so whatever i say will be dismissed because although i was required to learn about american history and i posess the internet to further my research, i still did not grow up in america so what do i know
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
@tyronewashington1 Figures. John Brown was captured at Harper's Ferry Virginia (now West Virginia). He and a group of men had captured the US Army arsenal there in an attempt to procure weapons to initiate a slave uprising. Col. Robert E. Lee lead the raid to recapture the arsenal and take John Brown and his men in. So you were required to learn but don't know this? So what do you really know of the Civil War? How can you possibly sit in front of your screen and pretend to know more than me?
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@tyronewashington1 Exactly. So don't be trying to preach to me my own fucking history because you know jack shit about the "whys" of the Civil War.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@tyronewashington1 Consider yourself PWNED sir.
destron1201 7 months ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE i do not agree with slavery, i actually agrees with licoln on the matter of shipping all the slaves back to africa, however back then if it was a state right to own a slave, then i would have top agree because since it is a domestic matter, then each state has their rights. i find it interesting how you can say so little about the war and poltics then say you know more then me
tyronewashington1 7 months ago
The politics of the day were controlled by southern politicians who were put there by the rich plantation owners in the south. Abolitionism was gaining momentum, and it was a threat to the cotton profits. When Lincoln was elected, the southerners saw him as a threat to slavery so they seceded in order to keep their slaves and money. This is ALL common knowledge. I don't know how you can see it as my 'bleeding heart' justifying myself when it's actually all true.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 7 months ago
@mbabist01 In 1860, 4 million people in our country were practically dead. Their lives were meaningless, they were nothing but property. This war was a war to free a people who's "Poetry is not written yet, but will soon be as enviable or renowned as any." That statment has been proven correct. Think about it.
Dangerbil102 7 months ago
I think this video really captures the tragedy of the Civil War and how many families were divided; especially today since it is Confederate Memorial Day in Maryland.....
redskins1111 7 months ago
God Bless the Irish Brigade!
ImperatorDominus 8 months ago
EIRIN GO BRAGH!!!!!!!!
celticbattleaxe 8 months ago
By the way...don't forget that a lot of Irish men fought i Southern Army and they were shooting - especially in Fredericksburg - to each other. It's so sad to see that in the war two nations are fighting each other especially when the nation is enslaved... we in Poland had same situation during World War I, when partited territories from Russia fought with partitied territories in Germany, Austria-Hungary. Add to this emigrates in France and UK. So sad, salut to for those brave men.
MrUlung1 8 months ago
This move was one of the best historican movies I've ever seen.
MrUlung1 8 months ago
@MrUlung1 This is truly the land where my fathers died.
celticbattleaxe 8 months ago
Well done DasGreenCow.
BIRISHPM 8 months ago