@kerna7x666 thanks alot man! and does anybody read what i wrote? i chose to only do lows in this video, i think i've said it to 100 people by now haha!
@Sezillian hahaha sorry i guess i didnt catch that im a dumb ass i never see whats infront of me but i can cover telly,10 signs,felony,and r2deepthroat like a champ but no web cam
Explores and DL5409 are literally the biggest faggots ever. 2 gay little buttbuddies sticking up for eachother. I got a couple of words for you two, get a life, go do something productive, and stop making everyone hate you.
@MentallyGuitardeded Because you're an insecure faggot and get's upset on YouTube. Quit fucking talking to me kid. Like I said, you get verbally abused on here everyday. I feel sorry for you.
yes , you've told me multiple times you feel sorry for me, and that i get "verbally abused everyday" (even though there is nothing verbal whatsoever about reading and typing you fucking idiot). do you really think you can prove something to yourself by reapeatedly calling others "insecure" and "faggot" ?
i would expect an individual of 27 to be able to curse above a junior high level! lol
if you don't want me responding , then quit being a prick and fuck off.
@ExpIores Me a dumbass? LOL You spend most of your time on this page talking shit like a pussy, unlike you, I have a life. so yes I'm tired of it because I'm not a little bitch who talks shit behind the computer. Go ahead and reply whatever you want pussy, I'ma be gone for a while because I HAVE A LIFE. So have fun thinking of a good response to this. ;)
@MentallyGuitardeded You're forgetting who's the fucking loser. The kid that MUST comment me back so he feels like he accomplished something. Cmon now, you honestly can't be that fucking dumb.
man. i thought emmure was terrible then by the hand of god i was guided to your page to tell you that you suck dick.
enjoy your skinny jeans and your faggot ass pit dancing. grow up cut your girl hair. scratch that girl hair looks better. cut your hair to a normal looking thing. get some sun. and start listening to some good music. try some verse. maybe cruel hand.
nah by the looks of it your a cher fan. Good luck in life faggot.
damn dude. i just listened to ur band.. WTF? why are u covering emmure? you're too damn good. i mean, i like emmure but ur just too good. knock it off. it hurts.
huge fan of this amazingly talented band, anyone who says otherwise needs to stop trolling or just leave this guy to his screaming, he sounds amazing i think
@ExpIores i do like emmure, and im pretty sure most of the people who've seen this video also like them as well. so...yeah, get a life loser, and go do something better than being a little fucking bitch over the internet.
@maliceheart18 Okay.. Keep listening to pussy wanna be hardcore. And you're the little bitch; you obviously got butthurt over my comment. So, fuck up scene fag.
1. i just replied to you because you replied to me, genius. 2.l received honours with distinction when i graduated college (pretty sure i'm not retarded, but thankyou for your interest in my mental capabilities)3. if you were man enough to call me that in real life, i would gladly show you how much of a pussy a six foot 3, 230 lb., 24 year old could be.
@MentallyGuitardeded Lmao why do you still comment me back? You get verbally abused on here all day. I pity you kid, for being so fuckin stupid. Save yourself the time, and just stop sitting on YouTube all day waiting for me to comment back. Nerddddddddd is nerd.
wow, you've obviously got sources of animosity and discomfort surrounding you in your life as well as a pretty bad case of classical narcissism. don't pity me, im happy (and incapable of letting any aspect of youtube trollers affect me in real life). all i ever did was say this guys is awesome! regardless of the band hes covering and how he looks. don't be so judgeMENTAL.
@MentallyGuitardeded Are you retarded? Get off of the internet and get some pussy. If you know what that is. I wonder how long it took you to look up all the definitions of those words too. Nerdy ass faggot. Go get laid.
Walking With Strangers is just better then sex, its like august burns red but twice as heavy and darker, it just blows my mind, its what everyone wants i cant wait for your first album
has there ever been a band cover with this type of music and there has not been comments about "oh youre not exhaling" "oh youre inhaling wrong"... blah blah blah
@Dhlewisco i know how to scream into a mic idiot, listen to my band watch our live videos and you'll see, and i also wanted to do only lows on this video, read the description. and you also don't know how or how much i breathe when i scream.
@bobofdeathtoall first of all , listen to my band and you'll hear i can go high, second, i do exhales, not inhales. and for this cover i wanted to go only low as the description says.
It seems like you're are exhaling. Like I'm pretty sure. And this is not a good cover because if anyone listens to the song he's not screaming deep the whole time. He has dynamic changes from low to high throughout. I doubt you can go high
thanks man! but really, i suck on that song, we recorded it in like 30 minutes and there is no mixing so the audio sucks balls haha! but thanks anyways man!
very nice bro!!
BleedingThroughPS3 1 month ago
Am i the only one that thinks his highs are fucking awesome?
Pyromanen93 1 month ago
Good but needs work on highs
austinbrutal 9 months ago
@austinbrutal first of all, thank you! second, READ THE ANNOTATION. does anybody read? getting tired of writing the same words over and over again.
Sezillian 9 months ago 3
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Hey guys check out my cover of No Pity for a Coward and tell me what you think: watch?v=K0GUiZzw2b0
TheDivineNothing 9 months ago
You should find someone to do highs and cover a chelsea grin song
khaosmayhemkill 9 months ago
Nice lows
ThyArtIsVeryMetal 10 months ago
du borde köra MVP!!!
mikalindroos 10 months ago 2
Så jävla bra! Som alltid :)
Sasmiko 10 months ago
very very fucking good i notice u cant hit that high parts but there isnt even much in this song so good very impressed
kerna7x666 11 months ago
@kerna7x666 thanks alot man! and does anybody read what i wrote? i chose to only do lows in this video, i think i've said it to 100 people by now haha!
Sezillian 11 months ago
@Sezillian hahaha sorry i guess i didnt catch that im a dumb ass i never see whats infront of me but i can cover telly,10 signs,felony,and r2deepthroat like a champ but no web cam
kerna7x666 9 months ago
Love it! Amazing job!
Freddymyers 11 months ago
cool
MetalHrad 1 year ago
Pretty awesome dude!
ZodiuMi 1 year ago
Nice one !
CyberJackyy 1 year ago
fucking sick man! seeing videos like this make me strive to improve my own vocals, its people like you that inspire me
SuicideSilenceDeath 1 year ago
@sezillian what song is better, Buried Dead and Done or Dead Hands? go
fuzzypickle90 1 year ago 2
@fuzzypickle90 you'll have to decide for yourself when you hear it! ;)
Sezillian 1 year ago 2
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fuzzypickle90 1 year ago
@Sezillian When is Dead Hands being released dude?
deanest123 1 year ago
@deanest123 sometime in februari, i'm guessing mid feb sometime! :)
Sezillian 1 year ago
@Sezillian hell yes! can i have it now? :)
deanest123 1 year ago
@deanest123 haha, no, you'll have to wait! ;)
Sezillian 1 year ago
@Sezillian ahhh you little tease :D
deanest123 1 year ago
@binggoy2591 haha, thanks man, really appreciate it! and i can't believe we are your favorite band, it means alot to us!! thank you!
Sezillian 1 year ago
Anyone saying this guy sucks, check out Walking With Strangers. He is their singer and they are fucking beast live and on CD.
thetruelie 1 year ago
@binggoy2591 i am that guy! haha :)
Sezillian 1 year ago
i just didn't like the camera. its too glitchy
otherwise good job!
HeavyMetalChopstick 1 year ago
walking with strangers is dope. this guy's got skills.
all the hater's are just jealous/insecure.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
Explores and DL5409 are literally the biggest faggots ever. 2 gay little buttbuddies sticking up for eachother. I got a couple of words for you two, get a life, go do something productive, and stop making everyone hate you.
maliceheart18 1 year ago 8
@maliceheart18 You're a faggot and everyone know's you're a faggot. You pussy ass bitch. Keep listening to Emmure keyboard crusader. Fag.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores lol haHAHAHA keyboard crusader? that's the gayest thing i've heard. for you and DL5409 it's butt crusaders hahahaha
maliceheart18 1 year ago
@maliceheart18 Ummm okay...? You just proved that you're officially a dumbass. Stupid ass little kids.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
how can you act above this guy , when you incessantly say even more childish and durogatory things to other users on here?
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Because you're an insecure faggot and get's upset on YouTube. Quit fucking talking to me kid. Like I said, you get verbally abused on here everyday. I feel sorry for you.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
yes , you've told me multiple times you feel sorry for me, and that i get "verbally abused everyday" (even though there is nothing verbal whatsoever about reading and typing you fucking idiot). do you really think you can prove something to yourself by reapeatedly calling others "insecure" and "faggot" ?
i would expect an individual of 27 to be able to curse above a junior high level! lol
if you don't want me responding , then quit being a prick and fuck off.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Lol look how mad you are. Keep writing paragraph after paragraph because you're pissed. Weird ass faggot.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
OMG YOU CALLED ME A FAGGOT!
HOW ORIGINAL!
HOLY FUCK I AM SO UPSET!
PLEASE KILL ME NOW BECAUSE I CAN'T STAND THE DEGRADATION!
OH MAN I JUST GOT BURNT HARD BY A 27 YEAR OLD WHO ONLY REPEATS THE SAME FOUR INSULTS BECAUSE HE IS TOO STUPID TO COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
go fuck your whore of a mother while your father watches and masturbates with a handfull of broken glass.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago 2
@ExpIores oh god just shut the hell up already bitch. im tired of seeing your name on all these comments. FUCK. OFF!
maliceheart18 1 year ago
@maliceheart18 If you're tired of it, why don't you just fuck off? Dumbass much?
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores Me a dumbass? LOL You spend most of your time on this page talking shit like a pussy, unlike you, I have a life. so yes I'm tired of it because I'm not a little bitch who talks shit behind the computer. Go ahead and reply whatever you want pussy, I'ma be gone for a while because I HAVE A LIFE. So have fun thinking of a good response to this. ;)
maliceheart18 1 year ago
@maliceheart18 Obviously you don't if you typed a whole paragraph for me. Once again, you're a dumbass.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
wow, now you're internet fighting with a 15 year old kid.
even though you're almost thirty.
what a fucking loser.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded You're forgetting who's the fucking loser. The kid that MUST comment me back so he feels like he accomplished something. Cmon now, you honestly can't be that fucking dumb.
ExpIores 1 year ago
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DL5409 1 year ago
man. i thought emmure was terrible then by the hand of god i was guided to your page to tell you that you suck dick.
enjoy your skinny jeans and your faggot ass pit dancing. grow up cut your girl hair. scratch that girl hair looks better. cut your hair to a normal looking thing. get some sun. and start listening to some good music. try some verse. maybe cruel hand.
nah by the looks of it your a cher fan. Good luck in life faggot.
DL5409 1 year ago
you shouldnt scream while sitting you cant breathe right
wuggshine 1 year ago
holy shit bro.
your good. good shit man.
sowrongitsdaniellee 1 year ago
damn dude. i just listened to ur band.. WTF? why are u covering emmure? you're too damn good. i mean, i like emmure but ur just too good. knock it off. it hurts.
elconijo 1 year ago
I started playing it, as my jaw dropped open, and came to think: woah, he's awesome. Then, I realized that I already listen to your band. Good job.
daniellewenzel 1 year ago
huge fan of this amazingly talented band, anyone who says otherwise needs to stop trolling or just leave this guy to his screaming, he sounds amazing i think
AdolfShitlerXD 1 year ago
despised, niice
DistortedBrain 1 year ago
Good shit dude, maybe as you start progressing as a screamer you'll get more range especially for highs. Then you'll be almost perfect :)
patmac40 1 year ago
@patmac40 still if everyone can read i've wrote that i only do lows for this one,
Sezillian 1 year ago 2
@Sezillian kk as long as you're fine with it then no one should care then. Good cover
patmac40 1 year ago
You have the low pitch nailed, I'd say work on holding them a bit stronger and the highs
IdidSmurfette 1 year ago
@ExpIores i do like emmure, and im pretty sure most of the people who've seen this video also like them as well. so...yeah, get a life loser, and go do something better than being a little fucking bitch over the internet.
maliceheart18 1 year ago
@maliceheart18 Okay.. Keep listening to pussy wanna be hardcore. And you're the little bitch; you obviously got butthurt over my comment. So, fuck up scene fag.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@maliceheart18 thats because everyone who likes emmure is a fag and fags stick together.
DL5409 1 year ago
LMAO I love when retards do covers of shitty bands. You look like a fucking moron
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores and you ARE a fucking moron sir. good day!
Sezillian 1 year ago 14
@Sezillian Lol, I'm not the one making dumbass vids of me screaming pretending like I'm good. Btw, you look like a flaming homo. Get a haircut
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores dude your fucking stupid, he's fucking badass. and emmure is badass, so why you watching this video? dumbass little kid.
maliceheart18 1 year ago
@maliceheart18
maliceheart18 1 year ago
@ExpIores
the fact he looks like a fucking moron makes the cover even more brutal, gaylord.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Um? Faggot?
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
nope, sorry to disapoint you cocksucker.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Hahaha get mad fag boy. You know you're gay when you defend Emmure. Pussy.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
1. why would you think you matter enough for me to get mad? you're some douchy kid on youtube.
2. evidently you're a dumbass because i never defended emmure, i don't even like them, just commented on this guy's cover.
3. calling a person a pussy over the internet actually makes you a pretty big pussy yourself.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Obviously your mad if you listed all that shit why you're not mad. Are you retarded? Pussy.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
1. i just replied to you because you replied to me, genius. 2.l received honours with distinction when i graduated college (pretty sure i'm not retarded, but thankyou for your interest in my mental capabilities)3. if you were man enough to call me that in real life, i would gladly show you how much of a pussy a six foot 3, 230 lb., 24 year old could be.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Hahah shut up pussy. Ur mad
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
actually im pretty indifferent to tell you the truth.
i was just helping you show everyone else on here what a douchebag you are.
now go jack off to some carshow videos.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Lmao why do you still comment me back? You get verbally abused on here all day. I pity you kid, for being so fuckin stupid. Save yourself the time, and just stop sitting on YouTube all day waiting for me to comment back. Nerddddddddd is nerd.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
wow, you've obviously got sources of animosity and discomfort surrounding you in your life as well as a pretty bad case of classical narcissism. don't pity me, im happy (and incapable of letting any aspect of youtube trollers affect me in real life). all i ever did was say this guys is awesome! regardless of the band hes covering and how he looks. don't be so judgeMENTAL.
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@MentallyGuitardeded Are you retarded? Get off of the internet and get some pussy. If you know what that is. I wonder how long it took you to look up all the definitions of those words too. Nerdy ass faggot. Go get laid.
ExpIores 1 year ago
@ExpIores
TROLOLOLOLOLOL
MentallyGuitardeded 1 year ago
@ExpIores EMMURE IS NOT SHITTY YOU FUCK. I Will Find You And Possibly Snap Your Neck. Just Saying.
WhisperToYourGhost 1 year ago
@WhisperToYourGhost Woah. Calm down little boy.
ExpIores 1 year ago
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn savage
evananddanny 1 year ago
heyy youre really good
hcandkf123 1 year ago
np!! and will u guys play any shows in IL?
aprilaskinalexandria 1 year ago
OMFG UR IN WALKING W/ STRANGERS??? ilove them so much. BURIED dead and done:) best!! and ur gooood
aprilaskinalexandria 1 year ago
@aprilaskinalexandria thanks alooot man!! really appreciate it!
canceltheactive 1 year ago
Walking With Strangers is just better then sex, its like august burns red but twice as heavy and darker, it just blows my mind, its what everyone wants i cant wait for your first album
AdolfShitlerXD 1 year ago
nice shirt...and good lows
CoolUsername08 1 year ago
nice cover !!
NuKeTHeCrOWD 1 year ago
you should start listening to good music. like the acacia strain.
jasonloud7 1 year ago
WTF?!?! I just heard Walking With Strangers last night and bought the EP right after. Fucking sick band dude!!!
bluesvt 1 year ago
bad ass i havent screemed in so long i need to practice
CallMeBQ 1 year ago
fucking ill man loving the lows
owlcityisbad 1 year ago
this is brutal dude, great job
realityislostxx 1 year ago
That was pretty good, and if you don't mind me saying you're kinda cute.
BrigitteBeloved 1 year ago
@BrigitteBeloved fail
DL5409 1 year ago
walking with strangers ♥, album plz!!!
ProgressiveVirtuoso 1 year ago
youd be better with whitechapel covers:D
brittandaustin6 1 year ago
haha nice despised icon shirt :D
USGX 1 year ago
that was pretty kick ass
chain5aw1 1 year ago
you're amazinggg<3
xchelseaxwienerx 1 year ago
Dude, you kinda look like Manson
TheAustinFulcher 1 year ago
Är ni från Trollhättan?! Treevligt o bra cover! :)
numbaTTYN 1 year ago
your good, but emmure is bit higher pitched for your lows dude. imo...
paulie134 1 year ago
damn ur really good u in a band ??
fuckthesceneworld 1 year ago
@fuckthesceneworld thanks alot!! yeah i sing in a band called walking with strangers! our myspace link is in the description!
Sezillian 1 year ago
@Sezillian uhmm il check u out then
fuckthesceneworld 1 year ago
Good lows man, if you can switch you've got it made.
ChrisB3rserk 1 year ago
@Sezillian Awesome! Do some more covers, I think your unreal.
fuzzypickle90 1 year ago
@fuzzypickle90 i will try to do one soon! :)
Sezillian 1 year ago
@Sezillian You are Walking With Strangers singer?!
fuzzypickle90 1 year ago
@fuzzypickle90 yes i am!
Sezillian 1 year ago
:o i knew your scream sounded familiar! i didnt know you were the vocalist of walking with strangers :D i love you guys!
good cover by the way :D
kflipbdon 1 year ago
@kflipbdon thank you!! :)
Sezillian 1 year ago
@Sezillian not a problem man :D
kflipbdon 1 year ago
@Sezillian and btw, you guys need to come to the states as soon as possible! id pay good money to see your band! D:
kflipbdon 1 year ago
inhaling? bull shit that was pro (:
taythedud 1 year ago
has there ever been a band cover with this type of music and there has not been comments about "oh youre not exhaling" "oh youre inhaling wrong"... blah blah blah
stupid kids
NiTr091 1 year ago
I think you sound great plus youre very hottt : )
MelodyJo39 1 year ago
hey man thats brutal
jakeouellette 1 year ago
Your doing all lows.. FAIL.
BREATHE!
Your doing exhales with 25% of oxygen intake.
Lol have fun learning how to scream into a mic.
Dhlewisco 1 year ago
@Dhlewisco i know how to scream into a mic idiot, listen to my band watch our live videos and you'll see, and i also wanted to do only lows on this video, read the description. and you also don't know how or how much i breathe when i scream.
Sezillian 1 year ago
Dood your bands dope
austin1991 1 year ago
No I think you're inhaling actually
bobofdeathtoall 1 year ago
@bobofdeathtoall first of all , listen to my band and you'll hear i can go high, second, i do exhales, not inhales. and for this cover i wanted to go only low as the description says.
Sezillian 1 year ago
It seems like you're are exhaling. Like I'm pretty sure. And this is not a good cover because if anyone listens to the song he's not screaming deep the whole time. He has dynamic changes from low to high throughout. I doubt you can go high
bobofdeathtoall 1 year ago
@drifterslash i never inhale, all the screams are exhaling.
Sezillian 1 year ago
I have to admit, you have the best vocal cover for this song.
I actually thought it was emmure at the beginning.
Lol, but I figured out it wasn't.
You're bands good too (:
98hmb 1 year ago
nice cover man.........check out my cannibal corpse 1 :)
jamiepollington 1 year ago
grym cover! Hoppas WWS kommer ner till småländska skogarna på turné snart! En fråga bara, var har du köpt din keps?;) haha
Pipihill 1 year ago
PRO!!
DarkedSshadow 1 year ago
you sound amazing for no mic
the420mooon 1 year ago
youre way too into this shitty band, get a life.
anotherskeleton 1 year ago
You're good, but something tells me it's too quiet.
EpicW1n 1 year ago
this is a fucking amazing cover
Masterskipworth16 1 year ago
Might sound good but man you looked like a real d-bag.
inthedesert69 1 year ago
fuck haah i thought you were going to suck. but proved my ass wrong
EvanBrutalPants 1 year ago
You look like a younger version of Alex from Despised Icon.
You're a beast.
vicegrip37 1 year ago
really good
IMxLIKExJESUS 1 year ago
I want your T-shirt.
tetrico22 1 year ago
legit.
swizzeyyy 1 year ago
You're good as fuck dude.
And sick fucking shirt
MattyG2for3 2 years ago
do a THROUGH THE EYES OF THE DEAD song!!! ur lows are GOD-LIKE!
maliceheart18 2 years ago
my friend cruz covers emmure and oceano beautifully. I wish he would put up a video, but this kid is pretty good too. : )
AudreySynn 2 years ago
this is the ONLY vocal cover i havent completely trolled on for being terrible, good job, you made emmure sound decent for once!
hellasickbrah 2 years ago
nice!
slipknotman012345678 2 years ago
Amazingg <3
palmajustinee 2 years ago
great cover!!!!!! xD
sweet666aly 2 years ago
This is legitimately THEE best cover of this song ever, period. I personally think your lows are better than franks. You are amazing.
DEVENY0UNG 2 years ago
your good. i wish you would of done highs to see if you can
do bars in astoria from Felony by Emmure
michaeldelain 2 years ago
You only do growlings ur good in that but its not same [:
HexeraniTck 2 years ago
nope, only in this vid. i do low, mid pitch and high screaming + pigs. i just decided to do lows in this one.
Sezillian 2 years ago
dude at 1:23 you sounded like scooby doo shit was hilarious good singing though
fromda51ave 2 years ago
@fromda51ave oh god he does! XD
AudreySynn 2 years ago
you have sickk lows
but you dont really fit emmure
you should try something
with more lows and less highs.
check my cover of thiss
xxjakebockxx 2 years ago
holy shit ur band is soooo sick!!! PROMOTE YOUR SHIT!!!!
rockerairsoftman 2 years ago
damn dude...dope
rockerairsoftman 2 years ago
good cover.
your band is amazing, too.
ZacIsBr00tal 2 years ago 2
nice shirt dude... pretty fucking descent cover
zeroskull9998 2 years ago
u are Awsome :o
maggojohan 2 years ago
let me hear dem highs
senttime11 2 years ago
I really think your fucking good , I'm scream singer and ur so fucking awesome , good job man !!
horrorshow64 2 years ago
i'll b honest. this song really doesn't seem like ur song, but u have a really fucking good scream.
lesclaypoolthesecond 2 years ago
u should do Wake Up by Suicide Silence
Grich26 2 years ago
Or Suffer lol that would be even more epic
Grich26 2 years ago
haha :D
dne8 2 years ago
this is honestly THE best cover of this song period. Good job
Grich26 2 years ago
woow! thanks ALOT man. I really appreciate it!
Sezillian 2 years ago
haha no problem. Hope you win the As Blood Runs Black contest
Grich26 2 years ago
thanks man! but really, i suck on that song, we recorded it in like 30 minutes and there is no mixing so the audio sucks balls haha! but thanks anyways man!
Sezillian 2 years ago
du är sjukt duktig, hoppas vi spelar i hop någon gång :)
Simondeax 2 years ago
Marry me @_@
DEEZNUTZNYOMOWF 2 years ago
awesome cover dude
amyleeloverseven 2 years ago
Also, nice D.I. shirt.
Hexify7 2 years ago
Great fucking cover dude, but seriously, lose the gay hat.
Hexify7 2 years ago
your band is brutal.. i didnt expect that..