@xexixk My grandfather worked on the same textile machines for 40 years in the communist utopia called "The Bulgarian Peoples Republik", machines that are changed evry 5 years in the "capitalist" West. Your regulations are what fuck things up, they don't apply to the friends of the state. Here's BP for example watch?v=6lu1pJPqHv0
Even when medical Dr's have a great deal of control over their work, they still had to slave away on call for 2-4 years AFTER school. The Intense work during school is worse then studying law, ull puke & lack sleep for years while others party. Often, neurosurg are dead men walking. 200k? lol youll be half dead b4 you get it & when you finally get it you wont have the time to spend it & much of it will go to pay back school, insurance,divorces,taxes. Docs in my fam r huge slaves w no control
So a worker could only cut of his arm in a capitalist society? Not, really. If there is a factory with lots of accidents people won't want to work there. To couter that a boss has 3 options.
1. Close the factory. If he can't provide 2 or 3.
2. Raise the salaries. Witch gives extra incetive to work in that factory.
3. Make the place safer. This is a one time cost so it's prefferable to 2.
@Svetlozarov So in years past why did factory owners have no problems finding workers despite the high rate of on the job injuries and deaths? Why did work place safety not improve overall until those improvements were compelled - both by law and as a result of pressure after the labor movement started?
@robbob9933 Actually his figures would be closer to the truth then the U.S. census numbers.
They actually only count accidents as work related deaths, so things like not getting time off when ill killing people and even things as far as black lungs, asbestos induced lung cancer, or glass fiber (etc. till infinity are just not registered).
You really should learn that numbers lie more then anything ,they are symbols representing an equation, if you don't know the parameters don't comment.
@jsnki Wage slavery to me is defined by a simple truism.
Everything that is owned is simply stolen from the commons, there actually were times in history of great donations of commons to wealth and power.
In any case all that is acquired has been taken by force over the backs of others.
I personally believe that the only way wage slavery can be abolished is for property to be abolished as ownership, and reinstated as custodianship with liberal rights of management and control.
What 50K to 60K workplace deaths per year? You are high by a factor of around 10.5. Why do people taking an obvious activist point of view continually state things that are easily refuted through a couple minutes of basic research. Ooops I forgot, the truth and facts do not matter to activists.
what about people working in whatever economic system you propose?
lets say theres an anarcho syndicalist federation that has formed, and lots of smaller communes are concentrating on their own work targets, wont people still be at risk of hurting themselves and dying on the job too?
@Ilikenuman of course there will be risks ... i think in this type of society most unwanted jobs would be automated. also, the workplace will do everything possible to prevent hazardous situations because it's directly in their interests. Under capitalism, these precautions (mandatory now) are a drag for the capitalist.
@Ilikenuman I actually worked painting houses and working with my family Ill tell you we didn't adhere to all safety regulations.
Needless to say if I drop off a ladder by my own stupid fault its much different from not having a safety rail in the appropriate place in a meatpacking facility.
Its in large workplaces that safety measures become that much more important cause you deal with other peoples stupidity or lack of safety measures.
"A total of 5,071 fatal work injuries were recorded in the United States in 2008" -Bureau of Labor statistics (A GOVERNMENT organization). How the fuck can you compare wage labor accidents to slave whippings?
"Slavery" is subjective, as one can sign a contract to work in a manner that we consider "slave-like" for his entire life. We can define "slavery" and say something is or isn't slavery based on that definition, but because of politics "slavery" is just another broken political word.
we r taxed thru interst/inflation/income tax = we never get anywhere = slavery
we tricked into beleiving we r free when infact we r (as pointed out) far more enslaved than ever b4. Its just covert now. We have the illsuion of freedom and choice
hes comparing accidents in voluntary labor with slavery which is violence in essence. I dont see the propaganda. He should be focussing on the morals not the accidents and farts around it
The feudal serfs of the eleventh century were healthier and longer lived then the rent-paying free peasants of the seventeenth century. The question is not whether we are called free or not. We are less free in many meaningful ways than primitive people. In general life but especially the workplace, you exist in a web of surveillance and micro-management more absolute than most historical slaves would recognize.
The difference between slavery and other forms of domination is not always that clear. When European colonialists conquered Africa they tended to only identify relationships of domination as "slavery" when men were the ones being owned. If a man dominated a woman or women they labeled the relationship "marriage," not slavery. See "Beyond Slavery" by Frederick Cooper, et al.
@metalorg Early capitalists whipped their workers, too. They slowly abandoned it because the threat of unemployment is more effective. The economic deprivation from unemployment can as bad or as worse as whippings.
@jgolowka Your comparison of threatening unemployment or even straight whipping in wage labor to slave whippings is much better and feasible than that comparison of work injuries to slave whippings which doesn't make sense.
Yes, these are all arguments that I've heard from confederate/slavery apologists that actually share your moral code.
Christian morality can only be practiced in a Slave society" according to J.D.B. DeBow because in Slave societies "The law of love, not the law of selfishness prevailed". The norm of wage labor of the north was "every man for himself" radical egoism and was immoral in this popular view.
It's a VERY short distance between objecting to the theft of the value of ALL of one's life's work (slavery) and the theft of the value of one's work while "on the clock." There's a problem of personal sovereignty and ownership at work in BOTH situations which NO ONE in the political mainstream wants to go anywhere near.
they had a good increase in technology in murdering jews in concentration camps instead of shooting them on the outskirts of the city.
you are absolutely correct it is technology that increases standards of living. just like phillipines, where kids feed themselves through scavaging through grabage heaps.
@MensRifleAssociation I agree, this is the BIGGEST factor. Technology makes an increasing number of needs/conveniences which USED to require a lot of manpower to provide, possible without said labor.
In the long run, this is what will undo capitalism - and by "capitalism" I mean something very specific, not simply "competition" or even "free markets." People often confuse all of these things as if they were identical - they are not.
Is a neurosurgeon making 200k a year a wage slave as well? After all these neurosurgeons work much harder than the people working in walmart. The neurosurgeons have 12 hour marathon surgery time to time as well. They lack sleep for days wehn they are busy as well.
@mr1001nights Good point. Indeed part of that control is externalizing non-core activities to support staff. A doctor only does two things: diagnose and provide treatment (give prescription or preform a medial procedure). The support staff such as administrators, nurses, secretaries do all non-core activities. This allows the doctors to help more patients, and earn more money (as the non-core activities are be performed but someone at relatively lower cost).
I work in academia and as such I have the privilege of having a great deal of control of my work even though I often work for several days straight. In other words, even though I work hard, I don't answer to an employer the way, say, a factory worker does.
@jsnki A non-sequitur. I strongly doubt that a neuro-surgeon works harder than stockers at Wal-Mart, who can look pretty sleepless and haggard as well. But the surgeon gets more than well-compensated for his sleepless overtime.
The organization Anti-Slavery International defines slavery as "forced labour." By this definition there are approximately 27 million slaves in the world today, more than at any point in history and more than twice as many as all African slaves who survived being taken to the Americas in the Atlantic slave trade.
I found your beginning idea about the "elite" to be interesting, as I wonder who would apply this term to themselves. If self applied, is it valid?
In terms of slavery, I don't know that a progression of years necessarily brought about better conditions. As the relative disparity in possessions increased, slaves were generally worse off even "if" their conditions had improved in a linear since and not worsened. Any sources that you might provide?
Do you not think that it is entirely natural for many humans to have a desire to be owned?
Women for example, seem to have an idealistic notion of Marriage Ownership with a specific need to own and to be owned by another human, this being an entirely acceptable proposition.
Slavery and ownership being interchangable in reality.
@ccharlie100 I think this is more of a tactic to be able to marry the kind of man that will protect and nurture them for a long time, so they can have kids etc. (I think the desire to reproduce is very ingrained). Don't think they really want to be owned/own. This feminist thing is horrible of course. Probably a response though to the repression of women beforehand, which is the opposite side of the coin and just as wrong I think.
Men and women used to be inter-dependent in hunter-gatherer days. Protection from danger was usually the man's job as was hunting. Their role was to TAKE life and protect the community via active physical force. However, most of the food, water collection, clothes-making, fuel-gathering, etc was by women. Their role was to GIVE life and to sustain it internally.
Source for the statistic at 3:16? I looked on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website and they reported that in 2010 it was more like 4,500.
towelhat 1 week ago
@xexixk My grandfather worked on the same textile machines for 40 years in the communist utopia called "The Bulgarian Peoples Republik", machines that are changed evry 5 years in the "capitalist" West. Your regulations are what fuck things up, they don't apply to the friends of the state. Here's BP for example watch?v=6lu1pJPqHv0
Svetlozarov 5 months ago
hmm i guess we should reinstitute slavery then...
After all why should i pay my workers when having them as slaves somehwo makes them better off...?
unfad1ng 6 months ago
Fuck this authoritarian leftist is ugly.
BrettDunbar 6 months ago
Even when medical Dr's have a great deal of control over their work, they still had to slave away on call for 2-4 years AFTER school. The Intense work during school is worse then studying law, ull puke & lack sleep for years while others party. Often, neurosurg are dead men walking. 200k? lol youll be half dead b4 you get it & when you finally get it you wont have the time to spend it & much of it will go to pay back school, insurance,divorces,taxes. Docs in my fam r huge slaves w no control
themaniusedtob 7 months ago
So a worker could only cut of his arm in a capitalist society? Not, really. If there is a factory with lots of accidents people won't want to work there. To couter that a boss has 3 options.
1. Close the factory. If he can't provide 2 or 3.
2. Raise the salaries. Witch gives extra incetive to work in that factory.
3. Make the place safer. This is a one time cost so it's prefferable to 2.
In any situation the workers win.
Svetlozarov 8 months ago
@Svetlozarov So in years past why did factory owners have no problems finding workers despite the high rate of on the job injuries and deaths? Why did work place safety not improve overall until those improvements were compelled - both by law and as a result of pressure after the labor movement started?
xexixk 5 months ago
wage slave = subservient to survive.
mba2ceo 9 months ago
@robbob9933 Actually his figures would be closer to the truth then the U.S. census numbers.
They actually only count accidents as work related deaths, so things like not getting time off when ill killing people and even things as far as black lungs, asbestos induced lung cancer, or glass fiber (etc. till infinity are just not registered).
You really should learn that numbers lie more then anything ,they are symbols representing an equation, if you don't know the parameters don't comment.
demammoet 9 months ago
@jsnki Wage slavery to me is defined by a simple truism.
Everything that is owned is simply stolen from the commons, there actually were times in history of great donations of commons to wealth and power.
In any case all that is acquired has been taken by force over the backs of others.
I personally believe that the only way wage slavery can be abolished is for property to be abolished as ownership, and reinstated as custodianship with liberal rights of management and control.
demammoet 9 months ago
What 50K to 60K workplace deaths per year? You are high by a factor of around 10.5. Why do people taking an obvious activist point of view continually state things that are easily refuted through a couple minutes of basic research. Ooops I forgot, the truth and facts do not matter to activists.
Robbob9933 10 months ago
good video,you are so right.
jim85733 1 year ago
what about people working in whatever economic system you propose?
lets say theres an anarcho syndicalist federation that has formed, and lots of smaller communes are concentrating on their own work targets, wont people still be at risk of hurting themselves and dying on the job too?
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
@Ilikenuman of course there will be risks ... i think in this type of society most unwanted jobs would be automated. also, the workplace will do everything possible to prevent hazardous situations because it's directly in their interests. Under capitalism, these precautions (mandatory now) are a drag for the capitalist.
seigneurvoland666 1 year ago
@Ilikenuman I actually worked painting houses and working with my family Ill tell you we didn't adhere to all safety regulations.
Needless to say if I drop off a ladder by my own stupid fault its much different from not having a safety rail in the appropriate place in a meatpacking facility.
Its in large workplaces that safety measures become that much more important cause you deal with other peoples stupidity or lack of safety measures.
demammoet 9 months ago
this makes infoshops motto true: kill capitalism before it kills you
Celedan 1 year ago
"A total of 5,071 fatal work injuries were recorded in the United States in 2008" -Bureau of Labor statistics (A GOVERNMENT organization). How the fuck can you compare wage labor accidents to slave whippings?
poopster102 1 year ago
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poopster102 1 year ago
"Slavery" is subjective, as one can sign a contract to work in a manner that we consider "slave-like" for his entire life. We can define "slavery" and say something is or isn't slavery based on that definition, but because of politics "slavery" is just another broken political word.
fringeelements 1 year ago
@fringeelements Our bosses/managers= masters
We R locked into jobs = chattels
we r taxed thru interst/inflation/income tax = we never get anywhere = slavery
we tricked into beleiving we r free when infact we r (as pointed out) far more enslaved than ever b4. Its just covert now. We have the illsuion of freedom and choice
Badwolf182 1 year ago
hes comparing accidents in voluntary labor with slavery which is violence in essence. I dont see the propaganda. He should be focussing on the morals not the accidents and farts around it
erdal0 1 year ago
The feudal serfs of the eleventh century were healthier and longer lived then the rent-paying free peasants of the seventeenth century. The question is not whether we are called free or not. We are less free in many meaningful ways than primitive people. In general life but especially the workplace, you exist in a web of surveillance and micro-management more absolute than most historical slaves would recognize.
TimeTelescope 1 year ago 2
@TimeTelescope and they call that scientiifc managemnt or Taylorism = still slavery
Badwolf182 1 year ago
@Badwolf182 Absolutely right. That is what I was suggesting. We are less free, in effect, that the lowliest medieval surf.
TimeTelescope 1 year ago
The difference between slavery and other forms of domination is not always that clear. When European colonialists conquered Africa they tended to only identify relationships of domination as "slavery" when men were the ones being owned. If a man dominated a woman or women they labeled the relationship "marriage," not slavery. See "Beyond Slavery" by Frederick Cooper, et al.
jgolowka 1 year ago
Hey I just got spammed by this new anti democratic channel called TheDemocracyDelusion watch?v=CwHvVCVbKko. Just thought I would share. Peace.
atripa645 1 year ago
Wage labor isn't great but I don't think you can compare work related injuries to slave whippings.
metalorg 1 year ago
@metalorg Early capitalists whipped their workers, too. They slowly abandoned it because the threat of unemployment is more effective. The economic deprivation from unemployment can as bad or as worse as whippings.
jgolowka 1 year ago
@jgolowka Your comparison of threatening unemployment or even straight whipping in wage labor to slave whippings is much better and feasible than that comparison of work injuries to slave whippings which doesn't make sense.
metalorg 1 year ago
Your videos are fantastic and informative, thank you for sharing them with us.
telusidol 1 year ago
wage labour = a bunch of pictures of yuppies
greenhell666 1 year ago
Yes, these are all arguments that I've heard from confederate/slavery apologists that actually share your moral code.
Christian morality can only be practiced in a Slave society" according to J.D.B. DeBow because in Slave societies "The law of love, not the law of selfishness prevailed". The norm of wage labor of the north was "every man for himself" radical egoism and was immoral in this popular view.
nightpotato 1 year ago
It's a VERY short distance between objecting to the theft of the value of ALL of one's life's work (slavery) and the theft of the value of one's work while "on the clock." There's a problem of personal sovereignty and ownership at work in BOTH situations which NO ONE in the political mainstream wants to go anywhere near.
PlebRule 1 year ago
The biggest factor for increased standard of living have nothing to do with politics, they are due to advances in science, medicine and technology.
MensRifleAssociation 1 year ago
@MensRifleAssociation like nazi germany
they had a good increase in technology in murdering jews in concentration camps instead of shooting them on the outskirts of the city.
you are absolutely correct it is technology that increases standards of living. just like phillipines, where kids feed themselves through scavaging through grabage heaps.
mahyarmohaghegh 1 year ago
@MensRifleAssociation I agree, this is the BIGGEST factor. Technology makes an increasing number of needs/conveniences which USED to require a lot of manpower to provide, possible without said labor.
In the long run, this is what will undo capitalism - and by "capitalism" I mean something very specific, not simply "competition" or even "free markets." People often confuse all of these things as if they were identical - they are not.
Mind emerges.
PlebRule 1 year ago
@PlebRule, hey, hi there... havn't seen you for a while.
MensRifleAssociation 1 year ago
Needs more "work for a boss or else."
pink3y 1 year ago
Is a neurosurgeon making 200k a year a wage slave as well? After all these neurosurgeons work much harder than the people working in walmart. The neurosurgeons have 12 hour marathon surgery time to time as well. They lack sleep for days wehn they are busy as well.
What is a concrete definition of wage slavery?
jsnki 1 year ago
@jsnki
see the wiki article on wage slavery. neurosurgeons have a great deal of control over their work
mr1001nights 1 year ago 9
@mr1001nights Good point. Indeed part of that control is externalizing non-core activities to support staff. A doctor only does two things: diagnose and provide treatment (give prescription or preform a medial procedure). The support staff such as administrators, nurses, secretaries do all non-core activities. This allows the doctors to help more patients, and earn more money (as the non-core activities are be performed but someone at relatively lower cost).
qspacetemp 1 year ago
@jsnki
I work in academia and as such I have the privilege of having a great deal of control of my work even though I often work for several days straight. In other words, even though I work hard, I don't answer to an employer the way, say, a factory worker does.
TommyLongstockings 1 year ago
@jsnki A non-sequitur. I strongly doubt that a neuro-surgeon works harder than stockers at Wal-Mart, who can look pretty sleepless and haggard as well. But the surgeon gets more than well-compensated for his sleepless overtime.
TheAzov 4 months ago
I'm not convinced. This video needs more Chomsky clips.
theVAGINAntichrist 1 year ago
The organization Anti-Slavery International defines slavery as "forced labour." By this definition there are approximately 27 million slaves in the world today, more than at any point in history and more than twice as many as all African slaves who survived being taken to the Americas in the Atlantic slave trade.
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I found your beginning idea about the "elite" to be interesting, as I wonder who would apply this term to themselves. If self applied, is it valid?
In terms of slavery, I don't know that a progression of years necessarily brought about better conditions. As the relative disparity in possessions increased, slaves were generally worse off even "if" their conditions had improved in a linear since and not worsened. Any sources that you might provide?
CityofDestiny 1 year ago
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CityofDestiny 1 year ago
Do you not think that it is entirely natural for many humans to have a desire to be owned?
Women for example, seem to have an idealistic notion of Marriage Ownership with a specific need to own and to be owned by another human, this being an entirely acceptable proposition.
Slavery and ownership being interchangable in reality.
ccharlie100 1 year ago
@ccharlie100 I think this is more of a tactic to be able to marry the kind of man that will protect and nurture them for a long time, so they can have kids etc. (I think the desire to reproduce is very ingrained). Don't think they really want to be owned/own. This feminist thing is horrible of course. Probably a response though to the repression of women beforehand, which is the opposite side of the coin and just as wrong I think.
aaaaaaaars 1 year ago
@aaaaaaaars
Men and women used to be inter-dependent in hunter-gatherer days. Protection from danger was usually the man's job as was hunting. Their role was to TAKE life and protect the community via active physical force. However, most of the food, water collection, clothes-making, fuel-gathering, etc was by women. Their role was to GIVE life and to sustain it internally.
PersianPaladin 1 year ago
Great points.
organdva 1 year ago
Encyclopedia Brittanicca actually released a pretty good African History series in the 1960s. Unfortunately I had n luck finding the complete set.
marcelthemaoist 1 year ago
keep up the good work
chocobosage420 1 year ago
They're trying to keep us from drawing parallels. They are trying to keep us from seeing there isn't much of a gap.
jedimasterbooboo 1 year ago 12