NS 34N (3-17-08) DEAD ON WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[U33C]

One word: Tripod.

[robertgift]

What does "Dead on water" mean?

Engine coolant (antifreeze) leaked out? How?

How do they gethe lead engine headlight to operate if that engine is tuned off?

Or is it idling and not under any load?

Get a tripod. I got a nice one cheaply at Goodwill.

[ashlandrailroad]

@robertgift dead on water means their is no water in the coolant resivor to keep the locomotive diesel engine cool . locomotives don't use antifreeze that's why the are constantly running in the winter. leeks occur all the time when the tubes wear out. to operate the lead unit from the second unit they use a system called a (mu) or multiple unit hookup which when 7 air hoses and 1 27 pin electric cable are hooked up they can control anything on a trailing or receiving unit including lights. p1

[ashlandrailroad]

@robertgift this system also controls the engine notch and brakes and other components of the units. it also can send a signal up to the cab of the locomotive in command when an emergency occurs on one of the locomotive and engine need to be shut down.it would be a bad idea to keep the locomotive turned on and idling because the diesel engine produces a lot more heat than a normal car engine and would become damaged rather quickly. the engines in these locomotive cost quite a lot to repair. p2

[robertgift]

@ashlandrailroad Even though antifreeze costs money, I would still expect antifreeze because sub-zero air flowing through the radiator tubes could quickly freeze it. Once a freeze blockage, water flow ceases and then it can HARD freeze there and rupture tubes. Antifreeze also acts as a lubricant for water pumps and an anti-oxidizer to decrease corrosion.

So, thengineer was in the lead locomotiveven though it was completely shut down? Thank you, AR. (Don'they now shut down if long off?)

[ashlandrailroad]

@robertgift i just read that most diesel locomotives don't use antifreeze because it damages the bearings in large locomotive engines.it would reduce horsepower output . water on the other hand allows better heat transfer and cooling of the engine and a 20% reduction in the size of the radiator.

[robertgift]

@ashlandrailroad Interesting! Thanks again, AR. Yes, water is more dense and better heat conductor.

But don't understand where bearings would bexposed to it.

But what about shutting down locomotives now?

And if a locomotivengine fails in sub-zero weather, they will need to immediately drain the radiator and later thengine or they will crack stuff..

[ashlandrailroad]

@robertgift water on the older engines commonly leaked into the lubricating oil in the pan and water wont damage the bearings on the crankshaft like antifreeze will . in cold weather the company and the dispatcher send a report often over the radio called a freeze warning where if any locomotive is sitting and turned off should be started immediatly to prevent locomotives from freezing because the diesel engine creates a larger amount of heat which keeps the water warm.

[chimai001]

only one unit works, amazing power! pushing and pulling same time!

[jordan1210]

lol DOW=dead on water

[donjuandonjuan]

steal a garden hose from the house near the track's and fill the engine before person get's back home lol.

[cobydickl]

ok one that isnt running that rich and i have seen diseals that will smoke like a steam locomotive when starting so i just thing it was a red signal and they are just starting up from it

[elrhino69]

they have a low water button. when the water gets low it trips shutting down the loco before it over heats.

[Railbuff23]

hell if he stopped outside of my house i would have ran my hose all the way to the train

[SuperCyberbully]

That would be one hell of a water bill!!

[JKnadler54]

I like sniffing diesel exhaust.. I do it for a living..

[sony635beyond]

she should make it. diesels are almost bulletproof. Ive overheated plenty of Detroit diesels in the summer heat in Baghdad, and they ve always brought me back

[est86leo]

Typical Fire figher bullshit. Now if that engineer and conducter were topless dumb blonde models that FDept would of rolled up on the scene with the fleet! ... Just wondering thought, how many cars or tonnage can a single loco pull before a second power is needed?

[CQDX018]

Well, with one unit..depending on that type of unit, it could probabley haul close to 8,000foot...almost 2 miles long.

[elrhino69]

well not with any loco I have ever ran before could you pull that much

[trainman551]

@CQDX018 yes thats true but probabley only on flat ground

[SurfTrip00]

@est86leo Ive been with NS for just over 20 yrs. in Virginia....Yes...roughly 8,000 feet (or less) on somewhat level ground w/ a six axle GE or EMD. With the four axle locomotives you could start to struggle a little bit. Of course you also have to take into consideration the terrain the rails run and the tonnage involved.

[cnwbelvideresub]

@est86leo there was no emergency........ thats the firefighters job is to respond to emergency's. even though your right bout the 2 topless blondes lol.

[FireCaptE9]

The Fire Dept didn't want to fill it with water??

I don't believe that...I would lose my job if I refused to do it UNLESS there was some sort of major safety concern which we would have closely worked with NS anyways over.

[railfanner91019]

Could you explain to me the importance of water on a train?

[CQDX018]

Keeps the engine cool from the extreme heat like coolant in a car.

[railfanner91019]

Cool. Thanks

[FitzNS]

Yeah the locos have radiators in them like a car to cool the deisel engine. The large vent looking areas in the flares on all the GEs and the vents that run on the sides of the EMD units not under a flare except for the new SD70ACes and SD70M-2s contain the radiators. They have to run alot of water to keep the very large Diesel engines cool also they run hotter cause they are turbo charged.

[legominifigure7]

wow, anything with a large engine needs water as a coolant.

[iceman977th]

1. Did they hot start the 2nd engine (while moving?) or was it already going and they just shut 9447 down?

2. How did using the second loco work?

[FlyBikes089]

elephant style NS 34N!!!!

[CQDX018]

Toxic fumes.

[jakeo77]

Haha, where I'm from, the UK, some of our trains smoke like hell, and we can breathe it in :D

[ibuy4unow]

Enjoy it then.

[jakeo77]

I do, very much so.

[silicon212]

Bet the engineer wishes there were an EMD in the consist!

[GoldenCreekValleyRR]

@silicon212 a genset!

[NSwannabeEngineer]

oh okay thanks so waht happened to that locomotive anyway?

[CQDX018]

Ran it in with the second.

[NSwannabeEngineer]

So hte engines must get over heated I guess huh?

[CQDX018]

Just get low on water and then nothing to cool the engines so then they burn up.

[Stephenson18]

not bad...so lead was dead...and 2nd unit was push and pulling...wow...you woulda thought they woulda had extra power somewhere

[Hiei2k7]

Staunton IL is about the midpoint on the line between St Louis and Springfield, IL/Decatur, IL, if I remember right. It would block crossings for a good amount of time.

[garetharogers]

why dose it need water?

[CQDX018]

Cool the engines.